Top 5 MISTAKES that KEEP YOU HARDSTUCK as SUPPORT - League of Legends Guide
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- Top 5 MISTAKES that KEEP YOU HARDSTUCK as SUPPORT - League of Legends Guide
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0:00 - Introduction
1:03 - Support Mistake #1
4:06 - Support Mistake #2
6:10 - Support Mistake #3
7:59 - Support Mistake #4
10:15 - Support Mistake #5
12:41 - Outro
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was this uploaded twice?
Do the 5 rank guarantee also apply on mid to high elo? Because I'm curious if it could help me finally get out of diamond and reach the "rank that I've always wanted". Or if not, then does it at least include some videos that are analyzed from pro players?
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Gold Player: *exists*
Skill Capped: Can you name the 1000 things this player did wrong in this 4 second clip?
Skill capped: the first mistake is that he moved 1 degree too far right, this ended up manupilating the minion attacking algorithm and affecting the wave control, allowing the enemy to get an easy cheater recall opportunity
@@cheryl9809 it actually happen you can screw a freeze just by take or not take minion agro
@@cheryl9809 i know its a joke, but sadly its not, its harsh reallity, league is unforgiving if your opponent knows the game
lmao
999 of those mistakes were probably a lack of game knowledge. It’s funny watching adc’s perma-push lane to tower and wonder why the enemy engage supports is always killing them and their engage support is just standing there.
The timing of this video is so great. I just lost 6 rank games in a row before this got uploaded HAHAHAHA
The laugh of depression
Stop playing for the day when you lose 2 in a row. Stop playing ranked at least
Me too bro, lost 1 rank and 80 rp before this video too
I lost 10 and demoted to gold
I lost 7 in a row. I went to bed very upset...
Adc mistakes: you spent 3 seconds too long on lane
Support mistakes: you were practically afk during first 3 waves, you don't use spells, you don't use flash, you do think absolutely nothing when placing wards
I feel personally attacked
Adc is an easier role in everything apart from mechanics
@@trollingnostalgia3680 In theory, if your teammates know what to do. If they don't adc becomes the hardest role to solocarry since you cannot make plays on your own.
This support guide finally helped me beat the tutorial. Thanks Skill Capped!
10:40 "If this ward doesn't immediately fill you with a primal fury, we have a problem."
No, you need a therapist for your anger management.
I actually think range supports are way stronger, especially in low elo nowadays. The spellthief support items is just able to generate gold so much quicker, resulting in gold leads and faster wards
agreed
Yea but the wave management with the melee item is better
@@robertjagiel8222 i've been playing with players up until master tier and more often they fck up the wave management with it than the other way around
I love how the first clip is about the mistakes sett makes that would cause him to go behind in lane then bait lands a hook proving the sett played worse but it’s early game sett and they still hard win the trade even with ez real trolling
good luck to all those supports who will help push the wave and than getting flamed by there adc for taking there cs :D
when i say they can push in silver. i get repeated answer of... so so flamed me for it. still better than autopush bronze though...
if a supp below d1 touches my wave i get crippling depression because they do everything wrong
you can push without taking cs btw
Lol I'll catch and freeze a wave for an adc, and just last hit while there not there and they'll danger ping me
Just hit the fuller hp minions... you shouldn't last hit...
You guys are by far the BEST League Of Legends channel! So informative and detailed! I’m on silver 2 (trying to get gold) and your videos helped me out a lot!
6:25 : Well, try attacking a wave in low elo as support. Youll be instantly spam pinged, insulted etc..
Same concept as jungler helping push after a kill.
So ill rather not do it than have a tilted adc.
And dont forget your adc will stop farming telling you to and might either int or afk
making the right play over a large volume of games will win you more lanes than keeping your adc happy will. Think about it; if you're in low elo odds are your adc is trash, which means tilting them is not going to change much. If you look at it objectively, the exchange you're making is this: You're exchanging a guaranteed good play for a gamble at an ok one; if you're making bad plays in an attempt to not tilt your teammates you're putting all your eggs in their basket and trusting them to make good decisions instead. More often then not in the games that I make a good play that tilts people, something good will come of it and while they were tilted at first they end up trusting me. For example, if you push the wave then convert that advantage into a kill, their small brain is going to forget you auto'd the wave and just be excited they got a kill. Even if they do tilt and int out of their mind, odds are they would have done that anyways if something that small is all it takes; you're wasting your time catering to them.
@@Misterparkour2012 Really good analysis, for real. 10/10
My issue is more often than not, when I touch the wave for wave control, my low elo adc throws a fit and rages for touching the minions.
I try not to play with random ADC (I typically duo) but whenever I'm forced to I give them a chance. If they ping or say anything, even if I make a mistake, I just mute them immediately. They've already demonstrated they're not going to say or ping anything useful. Unless they're saying things like "we should freeze" or "help me push". If I hit the wave and they ping it or say "don't hit the wave" then I'm not interested in listening to them. I encourage you to try the same thing. You MIGHT miss out on them pinging they want to go in or something, but I guarantee that's a very low percent versus putting up with them pinging and typing over EVERYTHING
/mute all
@@amphibiousone While I mostly agree to that sentiment, especially when your ADC has shown their incompetence, it's not always the best idea to completely disregard their opinions. Sometimes you forget something and try to manipulate the wave "wrong" and a caution ping with them saying wait for jungle or something similar might be the better option you hadn't seen.
My favorite playstyle is enchanter style. Soraka and Sona are lanebullies of you know how to play them correctly. Later game they will be impactful due to healing and/or speed. Especially Sona Sherelias Battlesong is giving me a big blast
QOFD: I like enchanter meta more because if it's an enchanter meta because you can still punish them with engagers. It can be harder to pick an enchanter in a heavy tank support meta in my opinion. I say this because I had my highest winrate ever on Thresh during the Ardent Meta because Thresh can punish them very hard in lane for choosing a scaling champion.
I prefer enchanter meta over tank meta, because i'm tired of getting paired with all these adc's who's constantly trying to force me into playing leona or nautilus.
literally this
I play Leona and my arc goes, we lose 2v2 even though we don’t. Rest of the team feeds and I’m like glad we hoped someone else would carry us. Smh
I've been a Sona/Soraka main for as log as I can remember, though I am delving into Thresh as a Support so these Support videos are great
Great video!
I really do like those all thing explanation. Even when you are higher than gold, and aren't playing support, those lifehacks could save your autofill day ;D!
Sharing to a support friend with hopes of a better games together ;D
QOTD: As a Rakan main, I am exactly in the middle😁
Same
Totally never thought of tip #1, but that is super useful to be conscious of.
Currently I'm hoping to improve as support on Rell and intending to also have Nami, Leora or maybe Ivern or Neeko as an alternative if needed (for when I end up trying ranked games).
Waiting for the video about Mid mistakes! 😁
oh it's for supports
The support guide helped me climb from p3 to p1 in two days!
finally !! a video about supports im so happyy
4:26 I was thinking more about Cody Sun
Jumping in to insec to help kill his support is perfect
That's the "betray your teammate with an insec" play
Thanks for this vid! Last season i peaked P2 but this year has been hell for me started off going 3-12 in first 15 games and have never been above 50% this season. I ended up in gold 2 made it to plat 4 within a month or so and then dropped down to G4 and now i been g3 for past month smh. Dont know if washed up or what. Anyone else struggling this season?
Can you do for a mid lane video ?
I never hit minions because I'm afraid I might mess with the adc's farm (they might miss the minion because of the extra hit I gave for example), I never realized I was doing the exact opposite of what i'm supposed to do 😬
9:18 "tons of melee supports..." shows bard 😂
QOTD : As a Leona and Lulu main, I feel like it depends on matchups as I am pretty confident with my champs. Though if I were to really choose, enchanter would be my best bet since everyone in my currently Elo (D3-D2) loves to dive which would leave my adc out in the back if I were to be a engage/tank support.
Pls more for supps
QOTD: Tank/Engage support by far. Ranged supports feel kinda boring? Just chilling far away and poking or whatever then land 1 R and win the fight (Seraphine).
Quick question/comment about #3: as a low elo support main, one of the complaints that i receive often when using an ability (such as a morg W) on the enemy champ near minions is that i affect ADCs ability to guarantee CS. I am not trying to take the CS from the ADC, just trying to harass safely. Do you ignore the wishes of the ADC, as they are the ones trying to "carry" the game and get the gold lead?
As an Adc main, I don't like that they encourage this in the video. Morg w deals extra damage to low health targets and when you put let say 6 minions in that w they die at approximately the same time. When I want to farm those 6 with one auto attack I only get one because the 5 other dies to tormented soil. Another argument is using that w while the enemy is not in any crowd control (cc) is a waste of mana, I would prefer to use morg q to make them stand still in that w for more value of that extra damage. Another thing is when the adc and you want to back, you can help the adc to push into the enemy turret, if he flames you for that then mute, fixing the wave like that is more beneficial when he returns to lane after back. Although you might need to ask a challenger support/adc with these salty suggestions since I am only gold myself, but I'd like to think I have some valid points.
I play mostly enchanter supports... on engage supports you have to commit to a play pretty hard... it is more difficult to know what is a good engage... you can play much safer and consistent on enchanters and mages...
Question on Mistake 4. Is it really correct to flash hook there? Doing so will make the 3 caster minions attack Thresh, and Kaisa is a bit too far to immediately follow-up. This counters two tips from other videos about playing around minion waves (especially caster minions) in the early game, and timing engages when your ADC can follow it up.
A lv2 Soraka is way too fragile and useless compared to the enemy's botlane so 3 minions don't really matter that much
@@thaihungvu8496 all soraka had to do was drop her e in the right spot and kai would have been completely zoned from that fight. Then two of them beating on thresh who has nothing left apart from autos. Pretty questionable in my opinion.
10:15 was primarily for TP ganks, so it's not really a bad ward tbh
10:33 lulu saying hello to all here minions xD
QOTD: I like playing both tanky engage and enchanter supports. So being able to switch between playing either would be great.
Qotd: as an early game jg main, i love a engage support meta
I just reached gold, with my only mistake from here being that I probably don't punish stacked champions. But I'd say that's probably the most minor mistake from these 5.
I (iron) often don't use my abilities to push because it messes up my ADCs ability to last hit/i often take farm from my ADC as a result. Should I still push with my abilities?
QOTD: not at all biased as a Braum main and tank player but tank support metas are my personal preference since it feels a lot more interactive, for example a Leona Vs nautilus lane is going to be pretty nutty early as they race to hit 2 and try and control the lane. A yummi Vs Janna lane feels very....slow, if Janna throws a tornado yummi heals the damage back, if yummi pokes Janna shields the damage or pokes back, it just turns into a farmfest where their choices feel a lot less impactful since both lanes are just farming through to mid game. also I despise Lulu.
as enchanter supp main(soraka nami janna yuumi 200k +) not that much, as enchanter or mage i feel i have much more influence over wave, and if you pick anything else than yuumi its not as boring as it feel. on the other hand i feel playing tank is boring... wait for good moment ,engage vibe and look who win
Given a choice, give me Enchanters. I prefer my variety of champs being enchanters to focus on macro, use more abilities (maybe not as impactful, but abilities are fun), and most of the time, they have amazing peel.
its kinda hard to so in rengar supp because i would lose the element of surprise
mistake 2 could of been fixed by simply pushing the next wave and ignoring the plate, the ward provided vision of cait being within the bush as the 2 adc traded which itself is useful as they dont have to worry about he either trying something or getting free hit (yet there are better but am just assuming the lulu thought this was the reason)
Ok at 7:20 why should brand push the wave? Wouldn't it be better getting pushed to freeze and zone the enemie with brand away from farm?
I think it's because of lv 2 advantage. In the rest of the laning phase yes, probably this is better, but lv 2 advantage is really important. And denying a lv 2 advantage to tristana is really important, since she's way stronger than vayne earlier. (but im silver, so I may be saying BS)
my problem with supporting in low elo is that I feel, I can't really limit test or force fights I think I could make work and i can't improve on recognizing favorable situations because my adc is always scared
I definitely understand: I'm only recently learning to support, but in my experience the best solution to this is to make your adc feel comfortable. It sounds stupid, but like you said often times they are so afraid to do anything, so as a supp you have to give them confidence that you'll keep them alive OR force plays that they can't ignore. For example, if I'm playing nautilus and we're in river and i hook-ult someone, 99% of the time the adc is going to start shooting at them. People are autopilot and will respond to you more than you realize, you just have to give them a reason to and recognize the way they're thinking, then make them feel comfortable making the plays. I played several games with tristanas last night, and every lane I would just hard protect them and make them feel like they could trust me, then they were willing to follow me into fights cause I always kept them alive. Sounds kind of vague and difficult to apply but thinking about how I can control their actions by mine has helped me improve a lot.
QOTD: I largely prefer the enchanter meta. Preferably one without a Lulu in it. Granted, this is probably because it's easier to kill squishy enchanter supports as an assassin main compared to tank supports.
How would you rank a pre leash tri-brush ward from an adc to defend against an early cheese when playing against a thresh/draven lane?
If you are talking about blue side tri bush for bot lane, just walk south side from red instead of right. If you had the suspicion they’re there, odds are that they are and you should not risk it or even think about. Just path differently and save your ward
I never walk through tri bush or river depending on the side you're at. I always walk around to the lane to avoid the cheese
How about removing jg till gold elo or adding voice comps in game
I just feel like if you take a support tank and put them top, they out damage anything you throw against it. Tahm Kench for example. I don’t believe that you should be able to build full tank and out damage anyone as well, especially against a damaging champion because that’s what they should excel at. Currently that is why I don’t like the tank meta.
This is a great lesson but the biggest mistake was playing sett I imagine this changes if you are playing an enchanter or something like that
Qotd: I like the current tank supp meta, but when i play adc I NEVER get a proper supp (I always end up getting lux, velkoz or xerath and they are midlane mages idc what anyone else says) much less a tank one, maybe a morgana or seraphine, but never a naut or thresh (a good one anyway) so I would kinda like it if those enchanter supps got buffed so my supports are actually viable.
QOTD: Enchanter, I’ve never been good at tank supports and end up dying for no reason whereas an enchanter support I can actually be useful on more than one champion, the only tank support I can play sometimes isn’t even a tank that being Rakan
9:13 "tons of melee engage supports" *shows bard*
This tutorial is usefull on Gold + , most of Bronze Silver die bc of the mini map, and also bc of their position in Team Fight, Bronze have to work on their laning phase too
To balance enchanters vs tank/engage supports riot woudlve to revisit their odd changes to healing and shieldingitems.... before increases for shields and heals enchanters could build ap to up the same or more tanky to still provide ultility while not being able to be blown up imediately either. When they introduced the shield /healbuff they nerfed the champions shields and heals because they became to opressive, leaving said champions now the choice of inscreasin their schields and heals and be squishy af OR literally have no use in the game
being able to still have decent heal and shields while being not onoshottable by everyone made those champs fun u could do janna flash engages coz u knew they wouldnt bring u donw imediately ect
I play Nami because she can both heal and cc. She is actually a good pick but she is very squishy.
Goes for a roam/vision while we have wave frozen under our turret. ADC still dies somehow.
Hello! Can someone explain to me why is it so important to hit the minions lvl 1? I usually hit them in the 2nd wave the get lvl 2 first but lvl 1 seems like there is no profit. I didn't get the point from the video.
You need to establish a lead on the first wave to put yourself in a position where you can secure 2 on the second wave. Having a minion lead also enables trading stance in most cases and can even make normally bad match-ups playable if the enemy support doesn't match the push you create. The key is maintaining the 1 minion lead without hard shoving the wave.
@@ZeroXIV Thank you for this explanation. Now I understand it
To be fair, at low elo if support hits minions with an ability, the adc rages, accuses them of stealing cs, types supp diff in all chat, and ints/rage quits.
Also he played Sett support.
I wanna talk about the second mistake here, even if i freeze the wave on the tower as sett and then base, won't my ezreal just die? I am leaving him alone against a tristana and nautilus after all.
True, they can easily dive him if jungler isn't around to help the situation while you're on your way back. That happened to me aswell. It's difficult to leave your adc alone like that because some adcs don't know how to play safe vs a 1v2. The only thing ezreal could be fine is if he has his shift which helps dodges nauts engage
If the ezreal has braincells he won't die and play safe
my favourite part about support is getting flamed for last hitting minions that were about to die when my adc isn't even in lane :D
Hoping for a Top Lane mistake guide.
Do top next
QotD: love tank supp meta if my supp is good. Playing aggro is a great way to get consistent wins. If the support sucks tho just stick em on Janna.
10:32 LMAO Lulu do be looking cute in that PG skin tho ngl
If you are a main support look for an adc to q with.
Skillcapped can you make high elo player mistakes?
No cause this channel can’t get passed diamond lmao
@@breese2825 have you? Lmaoo
@@kutokutosan7637 bro u did not just do him like that 💀
Do you do content in Portuguese?
for mistake number 3 alot of adc'es get's tilted if you slightliy hurt the creeps
what keeps me hardstuck? i just state some possibilities what the reasons could be...
a) i don't play ranked
b) i don't play to win, but to have fun
c) as a supp main i usually don't play any "meta" supports (i.e. my main Sej )
d) i only play with pre-mates meaning we do often troll picks together (i.e. Tryndermere adc + Tahm full ap supp)
e) i don't tryhard
Can someone explain why he is always talking about pushing the wave? I don't want to push the wave as a Pyke or some engage champion. If it going near the tower how should i make a play?
Having waved pushed can give you lane priority, allowing you to back, respond to nearby fights quicker and without losing farm, roam for a play, etc. If you are always backed up to your tower you don't have those options. Admittedly if lane is pushed out a lot of the time you don't have enough space to make aggressive plays in your lane.
If I touch the wave in anyway and they threaten to AFK I broke a freeze once and my ADC afked and yes it was a bad freeze.
the second mistake is something im hyper aware of
QOTD: I don’t like tank or enchanter supports... I really enjoy poke mage supports like xerath but I don’t think anyone else does
QotD: Gimme that support carry meta ;) Senna, Lux, Brand, Zyra- imma make mince meat of bot lane. Beyond that idk why but I’ve never had great success on enchanters. I’m more of a tank engage/control support kinda guy.
i prefer enchanters becouse they forces you to look both at your and enemy team
Can’t be hardstuck if you don’t play ranked
QOTD: Tank support meta. I love tanky engage and peel supports
QOTD: only engage supps like blitzcrank or leona
QOTD: tanks all the way. Been a Leona main for many years. Now that people are banning her out I just switch to Nautilus and continue my reign of terror locking down enemy ADCs.
8:42 thresh doesn't have hook and also even if he had hook he has guardian and lucian is 2, lucian can easily dash and kill thresh and soraka prob has barrier heal or exausth and she wont die immediatly
oh nvm it was on CD because he was casting but anyways i don't think it was a good idea
I prefer the enchanter meta.
Mainly because then I can B-slap them with Shen even harder : >
Me who plays yuumi: But why would I cast my spell on a minion instead of poking the enemy?
I do it sometimes when the lane is pushed towards us so-
Huh... I get flamed all the time for hitting minions tho :D Sometimes ADCs throw over that :"(
Aftershock lux for both tank and enchanter
Try grasp lux. Easy to land early and get it stacking nicely
@@nic.h nah lux can be punished so hard if you keep overextending maybe its viable in silver and low gold
@@nic.h also aftershock is good against engage support and melee assasins, survived a bunch of combos with it
@@nic.h also even if you get 20 stacks of grasp early 60 hp wont help you survive at all thats just like half damage from auto attack negated
Yeah, i am guilty of the autopilot wards...
You know what maybe root should do something like elise but a a support you get the idea of swapping range for enchant and melee for engage
but tbh I do all of these it's just that the other lanes are my problema for example 0/8/0 ornn in the early game against a pantheom also I told him to use w when panth jumps too
Bro check your spelling
anyone knows how to face a qyana?
QOTD: both, once you master vanguard yuumi there’s just no substitute
I realize this is 2 years old, but I hate when morgana pools the wave. I hate when low elo supports hit my wave. more often than not they are shoving without reason or any idea when to shove and ruining my freeze. I'd rather supports at low elo just not touch my waves.
I get told to never touch the wave not even to push it.
You should look up wave control guides. Even for top lane, it will still help you understand the concepts behind controlling minions. Playing top and mid for a season before I came down to support honestly gave me a noticeable advantage over these other players in gold.
QOTD: tank support meta is horrible, at least the current one. whoever goes in first/gets locked out of aftershock loses. It is the opposite of engaging or fun, you just stare each other down until someone makes a mistake or a third party roams to your lane.
10:33 lmao
0:40 range tank
Sure the e w from sett was super bad but i won't let wave push to then
1) ezreal does not do any damage compared to tristana
2) nothing stopping from enemy jg to gank you even if he misses his blue because ally jg is too stupid yo punish .... I have seen enemy jungle waiting in alcove bush for 2-3 minutes to get a shutdown on botlane while my jg waste time ganking a fed lane and dying or running on map like chicken
3) jungle makes or breaks the game in low elos .... If u adc is fed he will just run or flash seeing enemy jg not fight him even if adc is fed and above level
Question of the Day. My answer: “Why not both?” I am a passionate Taric enthusiast and the fact that he is getting his healing mana cost reduced in the mid game will make making it second even better. Not to mention if you want to engage, Taric works. if you want to disengage, Taric works. However, over all I think this is just a playstyle preference and if you are going to play one over the other instead of both, it’s best to become 100% familiar in your duties with that one type of support.
The day the meta becomes Warden supports will be the day toxicity dies in this game
QOTD: Tank Support. I'm having tons of fun with Galio Support as tank.