The previous video showing the problem speaker: • Is It Done? (Princeton... For more info, Subscribe to this channel, join us at PsionicAudio, or email us at info@psionicaudio.com.
I don’t play guitar. I don’t have any knowledge about amplification either. I do love your channel. I need to learn these skills so I can assist my Grandson on his guitar journey. Thanks.
I just obtained a brand new Amperian 12"-8ohm. Plugged it in to a Princeton RI I had for a week or so. Sounded GORGEOUS just GORGEOUS! Both speaker and amp performed nothing less than Magnificently!
@@HamzaJamzaFamza Explorer. Right now it's plugged to a 12 watt 68 Princeton Reverb I just bought. I was worried about the high power rating on the speaker for my little amp when I ordered it but dealer said it was no problem and he was right. It was a total fluke I ended up with the Amperian. I wanted to order the Warehouse Reaper and had never even heard of Amperian until the dealer suggested it because my choice was out of stock. He just said it was like the LEXUS model of Warehouse Speakers for 50 bucks more. I said send it. I stuck it in an really old beat up stage monitor box I found in the trash. magnificent!
I put a 10" Cannibus Rex in mine. Lost a little bit of sparkle, but now I can crank my Princeton without it farting. You can feel the air moving when it's cranked!
Niiiice! Fine choice. Lots more warmth and depth, right out of the box. WGS makes some great stuff. Well demonstrated by your tastefully Stratty tones.
Such a nice warm sound you're getting out of that Princeton, I don't get why they put these awful Jensen C10 speakers into these amps. I recently upgraded my 65 reissue with a G10 Gold, it sounds amazing now, no comparison to how it sounded before. Also did some of the mods you suggested in your other videos, I love the way the tremolo sounds now with the increased depth and decreased speed. Keep it up with the regular uploads, I immensely enjoy your content :)
Sold! I bought a Tweed issue Fender 65 Princeton with a 12 inch Cannabis Rex speaker in it. I don't like that speaker! I wanted 60s clean Fender tones. That CRex peaker colours the sound away from the vintage Fender clean that I've had and loved. that. The CRex may sound good with OD petals and such, but I want Fender Clean, though an occasional OD pedal. Thanks for demo-ing this WGS G10, I'll order the 12 inch for my Princeton. :)
Great stuff. I am so interested in "Anything" pertaining to a Fender Princeton Reverb - they just sound amazing. Your knowledge, and upgrades are fantastic. Always enjoy your informative content.
I have the jensen p12n in pair in separate boxes, a straight shooter peavey speaker cab and an angled fold back cab. Absolutely love these speakers but the rest of their range doesn't tickle me. Always wanted to try a range of the WGS stuff though, they are more generally appealing than the Italian jensen family.
I like to get a good sound before plugging into an amp, if you can conjure the note you're after while unplugged...a good amp will faithfully reproduce that note.
I replaced my speaker with the Jensen alnico P10R-FEN - plenty of vintage sound there with that Fender chime. Pushed to the limit the bass end can get flabby - but that is a vintage characteristic.
WGS veteran 10 is also great in these and quite inefficient if you're into that. Great for playing at home. Their take on the Jensen I think - though I'd say that g10c will have a bit more bass and body to it
@@zuperdee wgs veteran 10 sensitivity is 93.8 dB, actually one of the lowest for modern speakers (as far as i've seen). wish more speaker companies would do the right thing and put out many more low sensitivity/ low efficiency speakers.
@@zhou_sei There's variance between reported db ratings.I just bought one,had one before.The efficiency is closer to a Greenback to my ears(I also have),it's overall sound projection is not as much because with a 17 oz magnet & 10' cone has it;s limitations.It's a nice speaker and inside say a Pro Jr it'll keep up with a drummer.This is good as it allows the player to open the amp up wider.
I don't understand why Fender don't make a 1x12 combo just the vibrato/reverb channel of a Deluxe Reverb, ideally with some voltage control on the output and a bright switch and mid control, Black Panel styling and classic AB763 circuit where it matters and a decent speaker. I remember trying a PRRI years ago and had to turn the bass up to nearly maximum like you demonstrate here and went for the much heavier and with the pointless (for most modern players who don't plug the whole band into one amp) second channel DRRI.
@@zuperdee yes I've seen that model but I'm talking about a redesign of a full Deluxe with its long tail pair phase splitter and slightly higher power but no second channel (having a bright switch gets both channel's sounds pretty much). Might be possible to get the benefits of a DR at the price of a PR, could even leave off the tremolo circuit and keep the spring reverb circuit so you just get the core of what most people need. Adding a power control like the Bassbreaker 45 could take it up a level of versatility.
WG10C is a good choice for a Princeton. So is Eminence 1028K, just very different. Emi1028K sounds more vintage correct to me, WG10C is more versatile.
I apologize for the perhaps novice question. I have a Princeton Reverb RI with an Alessandro GA10 SC64 16ohm 20 watt speaker. Can I use the ext. speaker out to a cab with a Celestian G12 NXT 16ohm 80watt without an issue? This would make an 8 ohm load, correct?
I wonder what is your opinion on Rivera amps. Fender (or other) standard models seem to have pretty standard issues like bad heat management or cheap parts like plastic jacks. Do you ever get Rivera amps for service?
Do you have any suggestions for a replacement speaker for a new AC10c1? I don't mind trying out a couple different speakers but I don't know where to start for a more classic tone. I don't own any pedals so I try to get all my tone just out of my 30, 15 & 10. I have Alnico Blues in my 30, Greenbacks in my 15c2 and whatever is stock in the 10. (I don't have anything against pedals, I'm just not good enough of a player to care about them.) I'm sure my ac30c2 will find its way to you some day. You're the only person I've seen that mods them with so much detail.
@@PsionicAudio Unfortunately Uncle Doug is unable, it seems, to highlight tonal and touch-sensitivity differences in different amp circuits, in response to playing technique You do a much better job in that regard. I will say in Doug's favor that where he really shines is in cleaning up and repairing and refurbishing beat up old amp cabinets. Guys who restore old cars are usually pretty good at that sort of thing.
Would this speaker help my princeton reverb with breaking up sooner and help with overdrive and fuzz tones? I have the stock Celestion c10 and I can’t get the amp break up. Also would it help with the general muddy bass this amp has?
Just to clarify, are you saying that the princeton is great for quite practice or it's great for practice with a speaker upgrade, and if so is that a general rule. Many thanks
I have a 68 ri and I just took out the 18k resistor on the bass pot it was way to bass for me even at 0 it was to much and I took the celestion out for the jensen but I'm looking at those warehouse
The 68 adds an 18K between lug 1 of the Bass pot and the 6.8K resistor to ground. If you jumper that 18K you get a much better tone stack. If you just remove it you get no tone stack at all.
Hard to say. Many good alnico speakers won't fit in a tweed Champ. The Weber CV8 does but it's out of stock. If it fits, the WGS G8A would be good. I don't know if the Jensen P8R fits but I know it doesn't sound very good.
@@PsionicAudio In a previous video you mentioned that you didn't know if the Goodman's speaker in that Vox amp was any good or not and whether it was worth repairing or reconing, because it was a PA type speaker from a school intercom system. I don't know if that speaker would be good for that particular amp, but as regards speakers from school intercom systems I have scavenged many an 8" Jensen alnico speaker from old schools, mounted into the little wood speaker cabinets that all the schools of my youth had hanging over the classroom doors. I've also found some very nice, beefy Utah ceramic magnet 8" speakers as well. I toss this out to people so that they will know to keep an eye out for any old schools in their area that are being renovated and updated. It's quite common ---- or it used to be anyway ---- to get Bogen, Masco or other beefy PA amps from old schools as well, and maybe a Shure or Astatic mic or two. A lot of this stuff has unfortunately been junked by now, but you never know, especially if the school is old and you live in a part of the country where things don't change very quickly. That said, "I ain't never going back to my old school", except maybe to dig through the dumpster when they renovate!
12" sounds a little better but the cab dimensions are a limiting factor. The speaker is only part of the puzzle. Upgrading to a better 10" speaker can suffice.
Heh! And the purists used to say the best Fenders were pre-CBS… I sometimes wonder if I’m the only one who thinks Fender has gotten WORSE, not better, in the post-CBS era.
@@foolhardymcpain I guess so, technically… Though I think some aspects of Fender are better today, and others worse. The Custom Shop, for example, is higher quality than ANYTHING Fender did in the past, pre-CBS, CBS-era or otherwise, but commensurately expensive, too. The PCB wiring in their general production models is something they clearly MUST do nowadays to have any hope of survival in the marketplace, but surely Fender could have at least have taken proper measures to address the most common and predictable failure points, as others like Marshall and Vox have done! It seems like most failures in standard Fender reissue amps result from things like poor quality filter caps, poor wire routing, and poor heat management resulting in things like cooked PCBs and failed solder joints to the tube sockets! If they cared at all about the customer or making a quality product that lasted longer than just 2 years, surely these things could be addressed in cheap ways without necessarily going all-out on hand wiring.
I don’t play guitar. I don’t have any knowledge about amplification either. I do love your channel. I need to learn these skills so I can assist my Grandson on his guitar journey. Thanks.
I just obtained a brand new Amperian 12"-8ohm. Plugged it in to a Princeton RI I had for a week or so. Sounded GORGEOUS just GORGEOUS! Both speaker and amp performed nothing less than Magnificently!
Which model Amperian? I just ordered a 65 watt and can’t wait to try it out
@@HamzaJamzaFamza Explorer. Right now it's plugged to a 12 watt 68 Princeton Reverb I just bought. I was worried about the high power rating on the speaker for my little amp when I ordered it but dealer said it was no problem and he was right. It was a total fluke I ended up with the Amperian. I wanted to order the Warehouse Reaper and had never even heard of Amperian until the dealer suggested it because my choice was out of stock. He just said it was like the LEXUS model of Warehouse Speakers for 50 bucks more. I said send it. I stuck it in an really old beat up stage monitor box I found in the trash. magnificent!
I put a 10" Cannibus Rex in mine. Lost a little bit of sparkle, but now I can crank my Princeton without it farting. You can feel the air moving when it's cranked!
Niiiice! Fine choice. Lots more warmth and depth, right out of the box. WGS makes some great stuff. Well demonstrated by your tastefully Stratty tones.
That along with your mods that WGS speaker made that amp sound great!
Just ordered the 12" version of this for my Princeton RI to replace the C-Rex.
Such a nice warm sound you're getting out of that Princeton, I don't get why they put these awful Jensen C10 speakers into these amps. I recently upgraded my 65 reissue with a G10 Gold, it sounds amazing now, no comparison to how it sounded before. Also did some of the mods you suggested in your other videos, I love the way the tremolo sounds now with the increased depth and decreased speed. Keep it up with the regular uploads, I immensely enjoy your content :)
I have 4 WGS G12Q’s in my cab and I couldn’t be happier.
Sold! I bought a Tweed issue Fender 65 Princeton with a 12 inch Cannabis Rex speaker in it. I don't like that speaker! I wanted 60s clean Fender tones. That CRex peaker colours the sound away from the vintage Fender clean that I've had and loved. that. The CRex may sound good with OD petals and such, but I want Fender Clean, though an occasional OD pedal. Thanks for demo-ing this WGS G10, I'll order the 12 inch for my Princeton. :)
Sounds so good. Love that speaker.
Great stuff. I am so interested in "Anything" pertaining to a Fender Princeton Reverb - they just sound amazing. Your knowledge, and upgrades are fantastic. Always enjoy your informative content.
great tip on the zip tie thx
I knew it will be a WGS !
You seem to love them.
Great sounding Princeton btw
Just subscribed, this content is amazing. Do you have any thoughts on the 64 hardwired Princeton? Cheers
That sounds just right
Ordering thanks
Need speakers for my 67 Vibrolux reverb
I had a G10C and G10C/S combo in a 68 custom vibrolux, I thought it really made a difference. It added about 10-15 lbs to the combo though lol
I have the jensen p12n in pair in separate boxes, a straight shooter peavey speaker cab and an angled fold back cab. Absolutely love these speakers but the rest of their range doesn't tickle me.
Always wanted to try a range of the WGS stuff though, they are more generally appealing than the Italian jensen family.
I had a P12N stock in my DR clone, but when I replaced it with a Weber 12F150 (similar to C12N or Warehouse G12C) it sounded mo betta!
I like to get a good sound before plugging into an amp, if you can conjure the note you're after while unplugged...a good amp will faithfully reproduce that note.
I replaced my speaker with the Jensen alnico P10R-FEN - plenty of vintage sound there with that Fender chime. Pushed to the limit the bass end can get flabby - but that is a vintage characteristic.
Hey, thanks for the zip tie idea!!
WGS veteran 10 is also great in these and quite inefficient if you're into that. Great for playing at home. Their take on the Jensen I think - though I'd say that g10c will have a bit more bass and body to it
Quite inefficient? I’ve always heard they’re some of the most efficient… And surely ceramic magnets are generally more efficient than Alnico!
@@zuperdee wgs veteran 10 sensitivity is 93.8 dB, actually one of the lowest for modern speakers (as far as i've seen). wish more speaker companies would do the right thing and put out many more low sensitivity/ low efficiency speakers.
@@zhou_sei There's variance between reported db ratings.I just bought one,had one before.The efficiency is closer to a Greenback to my ears(I also have),it's overall sound projection is not as much because with a 17 oz magnet & 10' cone has it;s limitations.It's a nice speaker and inside say a Pro Jr it'll keep up with a drummer.This is good as it allows the player to open the amp up wider.
Music to my ears😎👍
Replaced my Jensen C10 soon after getting my PRRI with an Eminence L’il Buddy. I have no idea why they ship them with those things.
The Lil' Buddy is a lovely speaker. I love how it "doesn't " break up.
@@strumminronin great for jazz
I had the same problem replacing the stock speaker on my 64 PR Handwired.
What did you choose in the end?
Love my WGS G12Q’s. I got them when they were $50/each.
Enjoyed following this series from Scotland 🏴 Q. What do you make of the eminence allesandro GA10 for this application?
Hi, do you recommend this WGS speaker over the Celestion G10 gold?
I don't understand why Fender don't make a 1x12 combo just the vibrato/reverb channel of a Deluxe Reverb, ideally with some voltage control on the output and a bright switch and mid control, Black Panel styling and classic AB763 circuit where it matters and a decent speaker. I remember trying a PRRI years ago and had to turn the bass up to nearly maximum like you demonstrate here and went for the much heavier and with the pointless (for most modern players who don't plug the whole band into one amp) second channel DRRI.
They do! Fender does make “Limited Edition” 1x12 versions of the Princeton.
@@zuperdee yes I've seen that model but I'm talking about a redesign of a full Deluxe with its long tail pair phase splitter and slightly higher power but no second channel (having a bright switch gets both channel's sounds pretty much). Might be possible to get the benefits of a DR at the price of a PR, could even leave off the tremolo circuit and keep the spring reverb circuit so you just get the core of what most people need. Adding a power control like the Bassbreaker 45 could take it up a level of versatility.
That amp sounds fantastic.
I dig it!
Damn WGS should send you a check. I want one now!
WG10C is a good choice for a Princeton.
So is Eminence 1028K, just very different. Emi1028K sounds more vintage correct to me, WG10C is more versatile.
I apologize for the perhaps novice question. I have a Princeton Reverb RI with an Alessandro GA10 SC64 16ohm 20 watt speaker. Can I use the ext. speaker out to a cab with a Celestian G12 NXT 16ohm 80watt without an issue? This would make an 8 ohm load, correct?
You got it.
I wonder what is your opinion on Rivera amps. Fender (or other) standard models seem to have pretty standard issues like bad heat management or cheap parts like plastic jacks. Do you ever get Rivera amps for service?
Do you have any suggestions for a replacement speaker for a new AC10c1? I don't mind trying out a couple different speakers but I don't know where to start for a more classic tone. I don't own any pedals so I try to get all my tone just out of my 30, 15 & 10. I have Alnico Blues in my 30, Greenbacks in my 15c2 and whatever is stock in the 10. (I don't have anything against pedals, I'm just not good enough of a player to care about them.) I'm sure my ac30c2 will find its way to you some day. You're the only person I've seen that mods them with so much detail.
Unfortunately you know most techs would just pry the Jensen out and leave the old gasket chunks on the baffle.
Outside of this speaker are there any other speaker replacements for the Jensen that you would recommend?
Lots of guys like the Weber 150T as well. I put the 50 watt in mine and get endless headroom.
Do you know why the trem on the princeton ri does not go very slow?
Ive got a ss princeton- nice amp. Would this speaker sound good in that? Also i missed the mod video
do you have any videos were you explain how the parts of the amp circuit work, what they do, how they affect sound?
I think Uncle Doug has covered most of that already.
Rob Robinette also has some very good stuff on his site.
@@PsionicAudio thanks will take a look there
@@PsionicAudio Unfortunately Uncle Doug is unable, it seems, to highlight tonal and touch-sensitivity differences in different amp circuits, in response to playing technique You do a much better job in that regard. I will say in Doug's favor that where he really shines is in cleaning up and repairing and refurbishing beat up old amp cabinets. Guys who restore old cars are usually pretty good at that sort of thing.
Couldn't they have the gasket waxed before the install? I mean, if the speakers came prewaxed before install, it might solve that problem.
What do you think of the 64 Custom hand-wired PR? Thank you.
How can I get my amp to you to get some mods done ?
Does it get tube rattle with the new speaker
Would this speaker help my princeton reverb with breaking up sooner and help with overdrive and fuzz tones? I have the stock Celestion c10 and I can’t get the amp break up. Also would it help with the general muddy bass this amp has?
When are you posting your best amps for 1k vid?
In the next week or so. They take time and I have a bunch of amps that need finishing.
i use a jensen c10q , pretty good speaker imo
Just to clarify, are you saying that the princeton is great for quite practice or it's great for practice with a speaker upgrade, and if so is that a general rule.
Many thanks
I have a 68 ri and I just took out the 18k resistor on the bass pot it was way to bass for me even at 0 it was to much and I took the celestion out for the jensen but I'm looking at those warehouse
That's not what the 18K does. If you remove it you'll have no tone stack and all and too much gain.
@@PsionicAudio 🤔 that not what I was reading it feels that I have more control on the bass I can put it at 3 and it feels right
@@PsionicAudio the r34 resistor
The 68 adds an 18K between lug 1 of the Bass pot and the 6.8K resistor to ground. If you jumper that 18K you get a much better tone stack. If you just remove it you get no tone stack at all.
@@PsionicAudio the tech jumbed it sorry it’s is not off just not in use it’s still there if I want to put it back
I’m curious, but what kind of speaker would you put in a Fender 57’ Tweed Champ? 8” 4ohms
Hard to say. Many good alnico speakers won't fit in a tweed Champ. The Weber CV8 does but it's out of stock. If it fits, the WGS G8A would be good. I don't know if the Jensen P8R fits but I know it doesn't sound very good.
The last one that came in I had the original speaker reconed.
@@PsionicAudio thank you so much, you’re doing the lords work.
@@PsionicAudio In a previous video you mentioned that you didn't know if the Goodman's speaker in that Vox amp was any good or not and whether it was worth repairing or reconing, because it was a PA type speaker from a school intercom system. I don't know if that speaker would be good for that particular amp, but as regards speakers from school intercom systems I have scavenged many an 8" Jensen alnico speaker from old schools, mounted into the little wood speaker cabinets that all the schools of my youth had hanging over the classroom doors. I've also found some very nice, beefy Utah ceramic magnet 8" speakers as well. I toss this out to people so that they will know to keep an eye out for any old schools in their area that are being renovated and updated. It's quite common ---- or it used to be anyway ---- to get Bogen, Masco or other beefy PA amps from old schools as well, and maybe a Shure or Astatic mic or two. A lot of this stuff has unfortunately been junked by now, but you never know, especially if the school is old and you live in a part of the country where things don't change very quickly. That said, "I ain't never going back to my old school", except maybe to dig through the dumpster when they renovate!
I put the Weber CVA8 in mine and it sounds great. Not sure why it’s currently out of stock. You might want to check with Weber for a lead time…
Would you say the WGS G10C is the best overall speaker for princetons?
Too subjective. But many many players really like that combination.
I've been trying to find a replacement speaker for my vibro champ reverb that won't be blocked by the transformer. I wonder if this speaker would fit?
I have this speaker in my Vibro Champ Reverb and love it. It fits without the metal cage that protects the tubes. Psionic Audio has a video of it.
Do you prefer a 10” speaker over 12 “with the Princeton?
12" sounds a little better but the cab dimensions are a limiting factor. The speaker is only part of the puzzle. Upgrading to a better 10" speaker can suffice.
Heh! And the purists used to say the best Fenders were pre-CBS… I sometimes wonder if I’m the only one who thinks Fender has gotten WORSE, not better, in the post-CBS era.
That would make you a purist!
@@foolhardymcpain I guess so, technically… Though I think some aspects of Fender are better today, and others worse. The Custom Shop, for example, is higher quality than ANYTHING Fender did in the past, pre-CBS, CBS-era or otherwise, but commensurately expensive, too. The PCB wiring in their general production models is something they clearly MUST do nowadays to have any hope of survival in the marketplace, but surely Fender could have at least have taken proper measures to address the most common and predictable failure points, as others like Marshall and Vox have done! It seems like most failures in standard Fender reissue amps result from things like poor quality filter caps, poor wire routing, and poor heat management resulting in things like cooked PCBs and failed solder joints to the tube sockets! If they cared at all about the customer or making a quality product that lasted longer than just 2 years, surely these things could be addressed in cheap ways without necessarily going all-out on hand wiring.
What? Wont catch on fire? That's not very rock 'n roll :)
that is just dumb manufacturing
Have you looked inside the 57 Champ? See if you can spot the fuse on that.