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Best guitar speakers are :
Ferrite : EVM12L
Alnico : EVM12SRO or Altec 417/cardboard dome or Weber Mchigan 12/Alnico... Actually, the SRO is an evolution of the 417, and the Weber is a replica of the SRO.
=> All of them share the same cone!
All you need a good EQ after your preamp, then you'll be able to emulate the frequency curves of all guitar speakers on market.
I made a comment about a year ago - liked the first speaker. But now, after a year of being on an amp quest of my own, I've grown an appreciation for the green back. I've tried them out in different cabs and configurations, and for my ears, they are the best in any application (at least, that I've tried). I guess I wrote this follow up comment just to show that our impressions change, and as we become more educated as players, and have the funds to explore different things, we start to narrow down our preferences. It's a journey I've been on for 35 years.. and I still sometimes feel like I know nothing. The important thing is to enjoy playing, and worry less about your gear than your fingers, and playing dynamics (easier said than done). Thanks again for this video. Maybe I'll come back to it in another year. - Sincerely, Peanut Butter in my boxers.
Im still liking the Greenback. Its got that rock tone.
Celestions cannot be beat IMHO. I've always dug the sound of Greenbacks. The Blue is also awesome. I've got a replacement 12" baffleboard for a Princeton on order from Mojotone. I'll either put a Greenback in it or a G12-65 which I also have. Both are GREAT speakers! 👍
@@kenster865 The Celestion Blue is also very costly and weighs over 9 pound
Stock - 3:06 | 3:18 | 3:55 | 4:12 | 4:32
Green - 5:03 | 5:19 | 5:50 | 6:10 | 6:34
Blue - 7:11 | 7:32 | 7:52 | 8:11 | 8:33
Slave .... props
Blue I will be putting this into my future cab
Thank you for making this easy with the time stamps! haha.
I liked 1. Stock -> 2. Blue -> 3. Green.
I think the Jensen sounds so much clearer. Everything else is too bassy for me. I would need to hear all of them in person
You took an unusable video and made it usable -- thank you!!
Blue all the way, night and day.
Sounds so much better.
Thanks for the vid.
Big fan. 💚
The stock Jensen sounded like a classic Fender. The Greenback sounded like you threw a blanket over the amp. The Blue sounded like you threw TWO blankets over the amp. Of course, many people want a Fender with blankets over it, so whatever works for your tastes!
agree... the full frequency response of the 5e3 circuit.. (has no mid dip) means that a speaker like the alnico blue will have a big overpowering frequency band from 300Hz to 900Hz.. At the same time the blue like some other Celestion have a big dip at 1.5-1.6 kHz. which gives the effect of the amp being a big bloated in the midrange with lack of openness.
@@andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378 You are spot on about the mid scoop. The celestions have lots dBs more at 300-1000Hz which pushes down the perceived highs and lows (giving that blanket feeling). They are famously paired with FMV-EQ style amps and the amp scoop makes things much more balanced. The 1.5K dip is similar on all 3 speakers as far as I remember. But I guess getting a blue celestion is sexier than getting an EQ to fix any problem areas you might have with specific guitar/pickup combinations
Haha, I'm almost of the same opinion.
The Jensen has a lot to do with the instantly recognizable tweed sound and without it in there it loses that character and makes it sound more generic. Not a bad thing, now it’s to your taste but I would have left the Jensen in.
I make your words mine
I’m not sure the Jensen was entirely broken in. As mentioned above, some speakers need a lot of break in time. I usually like 20 hours, but one speaker took 70 hours. I thought I was beating my head against a post till it was finally broken in.
I don't think I would have taken so much time to build a tweed amp if I didn't like that sound!
The 50's Fender amps used Jensen's, but NOT Ceramic magnets. Alnico was used until the mid 1960's. Jensen does make an Alnico version, and that would be more historically correct than ANY Ceramic magnet speaker.
Totally!!!
funny how everybody hears something different. to me the greenback was a clear winner.
You can't go wrong with a greenback
I actually liked the Jensen more than the greenbacks.
Agreed
There's also only so much you can hear through video like this. In my experience celestian alnico speakers sound miles than anything else. They have this clarity that I doubt you'd be able to hear through youtube and the crunch is so sweet. It's definitely something you need to try in person.
I totally agree with you, especially when he did those Pink Floyd intros. I was sold right there on the greenback. It's got better "lungs" which give more warmth.
Cheers!
I kinda liked the brightness of the original speaker. It recorded well.
It would be cool to see a part 2 where you hear the difference in a mix!
Yeah! And the greenback was so muted I felt like I hat cotton in my ears. Yikes! The blue seems a nice compromise.
The original sounded more like a tweed to me. The greenback made it sound orangish. The blue wasn’t a bad compromise if you don’t want the total Fender tone. IMHO
Looking at the price for speakers upgrades like these, for my money the Jensen really did a nice job. Were the other two different? Yes. Better? Maybe. I like the efficiency of the Blue but the Greenback is just the opposite. More distorted tone and not as versatile as the Jensen. Like he said, maybe great for single coils. If the amp is in need of more headroom and volume, the alnico is a excellent way to achieve that without amp modding.
The original speaker didn't sound bad to me.
Dude yeah, it actually sounded great haha. While the others sounded great too, I'd be happy with the Jensen
Actually, I wouldn't mind staying with the Jensen too. It's just the bass is not that tight. And the upper midrange can be piercing.
The other speakers had more natural compression, that's what he was looking for. Jensen still was ok.
@@evanharnett for sure. the blue also had a smoothness and balance that i liked.
All good to know and hear, plus I still want to build one as well. I would wonder how it would go if one of the other components had to be replaced before completion though, as did during your initial process, if I got the kit mailed several states over.
Honestly, the Jensen sounded best to my ears
Same for me. The others sounded rather dull in comparison to my ear.
@@rok4200 same!
Same
It’s always fascinating to see how different each persons tonal preferences are. For the classic tweed sound the stock speaker won hands down. The other speakers were a bit dark and vowel like for my taste. I just love the initial attack of the Jenson as well, more complex (to me anyway). But I can definitely see how for Rhett the blue makes the most sense and had more headroom. Definitely was a good middle ground between the stock speaker and the greenback. Awesome video!
the guitar and music you play is a big difference in your ear, i have a friend who does the build for concerts ,the change from a basketball game to a concert, an electrician and much more ,but he started a gig ding back line amps and has sold some to some good artist ,but remade fender cabs and head in white tolex and re placed all the speakers with anico blues to be state of the art insound for the major players that love the showman and bandmaster witha reverb unit all in the sixties white cover , and the best thing he did was put the best speaker in to sound good with a gibson or a fender ,the rest is how well you know how to dial in a great vintage amp. but the performance of a blue is hard to beat, unless your me with marshall combo with the one twelve unpluged and going in to 4 25 watt english green backs , then its still amater of the eq,im sure the blues or the fender choise could almost sound as good
I have creamback and vintage 30 in my box for Synergy 30 head. Here, I like Jensen the most. Actually, Fender used back in years(I don't know how's today) Jensen speakers.
Great vid. The replacement speakers just made the amp sound like a Marshall (which ain't bad), but for a Fender sound, I think the stock speaker would be my choice. Can't go wrong either way. I haven't the guts to build my own amp..lol. Regardless of the speakers you used, I think the amp sounded great!
That last speaker........ just BLUE me away! :D - Stupid puns aside, both of the Celestion's were a huge step up, with the blue being the clear overall winner. Thx for the video!
The jensen sounded pretty nice to me, the celestions were way too dark imo
The Jenson sounded pokey.
@@sandrosadhukhan *The Celestions
Same
I agree!
But then again, I’m pretty new to the concept of switching speakers.
I just got the Fender Blues Jr and I do agree that when you push the amp, it lacks headroom but it’s got a great tone in its comfortable tone neighborhood.
I need to hang out and explore it more.
@Grass Man Maybe It's About As Arcane As the Reasoning Why People Type Like This Lmfao XD
For me the Jensen is the one... these upper mids really cut through in a band!
Man. I love your playing! I’d love to see some video lessons or something g about a lot of the cool riffs and runs you do!
For my ears the Jensen has that tweedy-vibe I would like to hear from an amp like this! Did not like the Greenback, the Blue was to „rock“ for my taste, but sounded cool! Super cool comparison! Thnx!
I honestly think the stock speaker sounded the best out of all of these.
Greenback was great but the Blue was much more chimney and fuller sounding. Thanks for a great comparison & Happy Holidays
Agree with your statement completely. "Your my boy Blu!"
I'm not gonna comment on my favorite speaker, just that "Slave" by the Stones is one of the most criminally underrated pure groove tracks ever laid down, and the 5 seconds you spent playing it brought pure joy to my heart.
Definitely I agree the Celestion speakers sound is much improved over the original. I go with the Blue for the reason you made as I play single coil pickups as well as a guitar with Humbuckers.
The Celestion Blue easily sounds best to me, Greenback great too
I also really dig the original Jensen speaker. It definitely sounds bright, but it's a very authentic vintage feel and chime. Actually tweed amps came with Alnico Jensen speakers back in the day. It's not for everything and everyone though. The Greenback had a nice warm sound, but almost no highs. The Alnico Blue was indeed more balanced. Thanks for the very nice recording and comparison!
Agree, I would have changed the Jensen ceramic to a Jensen alnico, sounds less harsh but keeps the character of such an amp.
call me crazy but I actually liked the Jensen the best
Same. The blue sounded way fuller, but idk, there's just something with the hi-mid bite and airy-ness of the original, that suits my ear better. More chimey and sparkly sounding. I liked the blue as well, but prefer the jensen
Fender type amps + Jensen speakers can´t be beaten
Yeah, the jensen got character! I feel like tweed style amps need that bit of bite and harshness. To me, the greenback just made it sound like any other small amp, somewhat same with the blue, only smoother and sweeter. Preferences aside, ofc you have to pick the one that suits your needs.
Dude, me too!
Yes if you like a cheap sounding amp the Jensen is the best.But if you want something that sounds like a world class amp the Celections is the way to go.Theres no comparison really.
Great comparison! I like 'em both
I went with the Alnico Blue before you gave us your choice.. It just has the sound.. I use a Celestion Alnico Cream 90 in a MojoTone 1x12 cab ..
Both the Greenback and the Alnico sounded much better to my ears but, surprisingly to me, I liked the Greenback better. Great comparison, Rhett!
Just finally trying a Greenback for a full overdrive sound. It is overall a better sounding speaker for nice full range with bite. The V30 to thin in the middle. Jenson Alnico P12R was nice for what it is, just a bit too much bite. Celestion Palmino Stock speaker was my go to until the Greenback. Jenson custom made in 1990's deluxe reverb was a bit muffled.
I know that everything is personal preference but, I like the Jensen.
I'm not praising the Jensen but, It's loud and bright. With my guitars and effects, I could tame the brightness in a heartbeat. The other two are great speakers but much more bassy. With my rig, it's a lot easier to dial down top end than to work up from the bass end.
I would stick with the Jensen. That is part of the tweed sound. Maybe in the room the blue is less harsh but on my Neumann monitors, it’s muddy and not defined enough. But hey, you know what YOU like ;)
I agree the Jensen sounded by far the best to my ear as well :) But I also agree we all have our preferences, so there's obviously no right or wrong -it's just what we like 😉
Totally agree. I love that upper midrange bite that Rhett found overwhelming, and there’s something about the way that Jensen “breathes” under medium gain that is just stunning (to my ears).
@@larscasteen yep the other speakers deadened the amp
Also agree - the Jensen sounded the best - much more clarity, not as muddy. The other two speakers sounded warmer, but also really muddy. Well - on my computer speakers, turned down low, anyway!
WhosieWhatsum ? Why? To put in my non-tweed amp? You missed my point.
While I've purchased Celestion Gold's and Eminence brand speakers and tried them on my Fender's and VOX amps, this stock Jensen as many have said prior to me ROCKS this amp demo. I would definitely agree to stay with the stock speaker.
Jensen was the traditional low end flub, raw sound. If I wanted a tweed amp I’d stay with it.
The celestions sounded great. No argument there. But to my humble ear I liked the clarity and the bite of the Jensen
I Have to say that Mojo really has this 5E3 nailed. The stock configuration really is awesome. This video shows that when you start with a solid foundation, you can dial in the 5E3 you need. Well done!!
You just totally sold me on Jensen. I'm a huge Blue Alnico fan, too.
The Blue takes the edge off highs-or so it seems. remember, the Celestion Blue will cost twice as much as the Green , more than double the Jensen
Greenback, Jensen, Blue. Thanks!
I have the same amp. I mostly use Telecaster single coils, I’d watched this and decided to try the Blue, due to it sounding so good in the video. After 20 hr break in time ( might not have been enough) the blue was still brighter than I wanted, so was the Jensen, I had. I put one of my old pre-rolla 25 watt greenbacks in it, and it was better. For grins I took an old Chinese stamp frame, made for Fender ( Frontman 212 amp) and tried it. I was pleasantly surprised that I’d like a cheap $20.00 (used price) stamp frame over the more, usually sought after speaker. Who knew.
Actually the Jensen speakers sounds best than Green or Blue (for me).
I have that speaker in my Blue Junior Tweed and it sounds much better than my other Blue Junior with Texas Heat, also tried a Vintage 30 Celestion and the original Eminence
A Tweed Deluxe kit from Mojo is my New Years resolution!
Yeah, I have to say that these guys have got it nailed.... more than Fender unfortunately.
I gotta say l really preferred the Jensen!
All subjective opinions are valid because of variations in individual tastes and experience, but if you had to describe why you prefer the Jensen over the Celestions what would you say the reasons are?
Stephen Laughridge the Celestion speakers will be louder than the Jensen speakers. The Celestions typically is good for 100dB while the Jensen P12Q is good for 94.4dB. On a low watt amp like the 5E3 it gives it a bit extra oomph and of course they sound good too.
The Green is a 98Db The C12Q that comes with the kit is 93.2 Db(8 ohms) Blues are 100 Db. There is a noticeable difference, however I own 10 inch Jensen Jet falcons rated at 95 Db and they are as loud as my 12 greenback cab. The spl is not exactly what you hear. Certain frequencies can be much louder but not relating directly to spl. An emi Wizard is rated at 103 Db, but I never noticed it being louder than a Vin30 in the room with a direct AB. Spl on a site isn't always what you hear in a room.
My EVH have a 'bloom' about them that is pleasant. They are heritage greenbacks rebranded, but they do lack some of the mid grind I like in the chinese celestions. But they fill the room differently as well. A Vin30 actually sounds very good in an open back cab or combo. A had a Traynor YCV50B that had a Vin30 stock, sounded really good on the cleans but had the marshall crunch on the dirty channel. I was pretty surprised it sounded better than when I swapped for a greenback.
Every speaker has its place in the right cab.
I have 12 speakers I keep on hand for each time i construct a cab to see how they sound given the various construction types I use. I have like Jensen, Emi, Celestion, Avatar, even Marslands(stock in a traynor). Didn't care much for the WGS as the reaper was good but other models seamed to be harsh even after break in. Now they are in the same price point as eminence and jensens I won't sell them to people because I wind up changing them within a few months for some players because of ear fatigue for long sets.
More than anything its finding the right speaker for the right cab with whatever amp head is powering it. Jensens didn't fit with my Class 5 Marshall, But they went well with an Orange Dark Terror??
I wish everone had a chance to sample open/closed back and speaker swaps in various cabinets, esp in person.
I had a customer come over and he was shocked that he never knew the difference after playing for 30 years. He just thought bad sounding cab=bad cab. Not always the case. The Vin30 212 slant I was selling to him sounded much much better with creamback 65's instead with his YBA-1 head. Pulled out some of the upper mids that were just to much with that head.
Me too. They all sounded good but different. A different Jensen clone is worth investigating too. I always prefer the weber clones over the reissue jensens.
@@thorinbane yeah very good information, thanks!
Funny you mention that combo of Jenson with Orange Dark Terror. I picked up a Fender tweed extension cab for almost no money. It's made of pine with a Jenson Neo 10 inside. Every brand amplifier I own I paired it with sounded crap even my Fenders and the last head was the DT and it sounds awesome (I thought I'd wasted money and that's why it was so cheap). Crazy but who would think that could be a match made in Tone heaven?
I changed the speaker in my Fender 65 Princeton with a Celestion Green Back, works heavenly with my Tele. The easiest way to find your tone...
Well how cool is that?!? I converted my Princeton '65 RI to a 12" (used a Mojotone baffleboard) and put a 12" Green Back in it too! I'm in violent agreement. A Greenback works great in a Princeton. I'm assuming you converted the 10" to a 12".
I have a greenback clone (Lorantz) in my Mojotone Tweed Deluxe and really like it, for me it won compared to a Celestion Blue I also tested! The greenback sounds a bit dark in this video, but I typically run the tone knob higher at around 9-10 on the bright channel, and then it sounds really nice and clear/chimey in the highs. The greenback also adds a grittyness to the mids which is cool sounding.
Id stick with the original. Thats how old tweeds are supposed to sound, but hey thats why guitar is great. You can do whatever you want. Lol i like tweed and harsh upper mids though. Maybe im weird lol
Mister Knight Owl & Co. Yeah. It seems to me that tweed should sound kind of “ratty” in the mids and flubby in the bass.
I like “smooth” in certain situations, but not when using a 5e3!?
Original speaker would have been Jensen Alnico, not ceramic. More highs and less smooth than the Alnico Blue but not quite as harsh as that Jensen special 12" , those things are Jesens cheapest stand alone speaker.
that's why I convert my small amps into heads, and have separate cabinets then I can pick anyone I want
i do the same thing....plus then you can set the head on something besides the cabinet, and save your tubes.the speaker cabs are like a jackhammer, and red hot molten filaments dont like that treatment....set the head to the side and those bottles will last 20 years....depending on your situation.
Combos are way more convenient for gigging, though.
I do the same thing. It's a lot easier to transport and protect a head.
@@AstralElephantFuzz Nah, combos are good only for hollow pretzels and peanut butter.
Fender should make heads instead of combos.
The Jensen speaker is the best if you really want cut through the mix. The most part of youtubers do the shootouts with the instrument itself, without the rest of the band. You can really judge a guitar, an effect or an amp just playing it at rehersal, or, even better, in a real gig. That's the way to tell if your new gear is a step ahead or not.
Thanks anyway for this video and the others.
You have the speakers. You need a matching tweed speaker cabinet, figure out how to drive either or both. Might need a multi impedance output transformer. You might really enjoy the mixed sounds of the blue and green running in unison. You could stack cabs or spilt stage left/right.
I would have decide the same way... the blue is a great choice.
Great demo by Rhett as always.
Here's my two cents:
I've been gigging with my Mission 5e3 kit build for almost 10 years. IMO, you have to try a speaker in person to really know what is going to work for you. As good of a demo as this is, there are just too many variables that contribute to what you're hearing and feeling. I've tried 5 different speakers in my Deluxe clone. I really wanted to love the Celestion Blue, especially since it cost me $280. But to me, the upper mid spike of the Blue was fatiguing and harsh, even after 50 hours of break in. FWIW, Weber's 12A125A (their take on a vintage Jensen P12Q) is the most period correct sound in a modern speaker IMO, and the one that sounds the best to me. It has a tight and full bass, slightly scooped articulate midrange (the 5e3 circuit is mid-heavy to begin with), and shimmery upper highs that are never harsh, the way Leo intended it. As others have said, the Celestions make the Deluxe sound more like a Marshall. Nothing "wrong" with that. If that's what you want, you will be happy. But If you want a more "American" vintage Fender sound, go for a Jensen or Weber.
Dude... why didnt you compare them back to back? Should have edited each setting and riff, together with all 3 speakers, in a row.
Doug Cassidy -I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, but he pinned a commenter that threw in the links just for you!
Exactly!
I built that kit years ago.
I put a Celestion V-type in mine along with some more "Marshall sounding" capacitor values. Sounds like a mini jtm45 now.
Put that greenback into a 1x12 tweed extension cab and make a mini stack.
Thank You for the video. Well, to me it is always the same with all speaker comparisons: when there is to much time between the examples it is hard to remember the other sounds. Even if this is my personal problem, it would be very useful, when we do not rely only on hearing the sounds but measure it! This would objectify any comparision and will improve our understanding. So I really hope that you will go in this direction in the future! Thanx again.
I love Greenbacks and Blues both, but I tend to prefer G12H Style Speakers or G12-35XCs to them in open back cabinets and combo amps unless it is a Vox Style Amp, then I like the Blue.
Jenson sounded fantastic. Blue was scooped & chime-y. I love Greenbacks but it wasn't the right speaker for this amp & guitar. I'd like to hear the greenback and blue together in a 2x12.
Marcus Kruse wrote -
_I'd like to hear the greenback and blue together in 2x12_
I almost had an ear orgasm just thinking about that 😳
@@ray.shoesmith i read on Celestion website that 's exactly what Clapton did to his twin.. Replaced the Jensens with one blue and one greenback
That's kind of a waste because the blue is a lot louder than the greenback.
@@MyMotherTheCar go the g12h30 55hz greenback 100db and perfect partner for the blue
Is it wrong to say the stock Jensen sounded the best to me?
Nope.
Yes. It is morally wrong and utter blasphemy to even think such a thing.😀
I literally could not pick a favorite. The stock Jensen speaker fared better than I would have thought vs the Celestions. In some examples I preferred it over the others. Actually, I think the Greenback was my least favorite overall. Just goes to show the 5E3 is a great sounding circuit and with good speakers (all 3) it sounds killer. Just different flavors. I have a similar boutique build 5E3 with a Weber Alnico Blue and absolutely LOVE the amp.
Just yesterday I got in the AC15 60th anniversary (made in England) and so far it's doing *nothing* for me. I guess I'm a Tweed person. I need to give the AC15 more time though before sending it back, perhaps .
Joe Schlicht yeah, let the VOX break in, in its own right. It’s my opinion, as I’ve never looked into it, that the circuitry needs time as well to “break-in”. On a side note, I once had a Crate 2x12 combo, and at about 4 years old a speaker was ruined by a mic stand while driving home from a gig. Anyway, the only speaker the local shop had was a Jensen, and after about 20 hours of use that fucking thing was a beast. I sold that amp at ten yrs old for $150 more than it cost new solely on that mod.
Either of those are a great upgrade for that type of amp Both in a 2/12 would compliment each other
Man I don’t know if that is just a plain awesome circuit. Cause the speakers changed out night and day.
But the greenback is pretty versatile with a bit rawer sizzle. And of course the alnico blue nails the greenback.
Try and put a spkr jack out and see if running them both . Use splitter for any lead tones vs. rhythm. I would however
Say the blue out shined them all. But that greenback is just raw enough for a dynamic rhythm channel.
Thanks for the share,,,great vid! Cheers!
Am I the only person who thought that the AlNiCo Blue sounded muddier than the Greenback? But ceramic single coil pickups usually sound muddier than AlNiCo pickups.
(I don't think that I am the only person getting confused here.)
I preferred the original speaker
I think a lot of these videos come down to people wanting to take a small fender amp and make it sound like a marshall.
I fully agree. It's got the shimmer that I love.
Why Didn't you wear in the original speaker ? You should have given it a chance.
The mojotone crew down the road in Burgaw are good people. Glad to see them getting some love.
Am I crazy, or did that original speaker sound pretty good also?
Blue all the way Sweet round sound great chime without any spike in the highs articulate at every level. I also like the Celestion Gold has the same kind of response but 40 watts instead of 15 watts( Blue)
The 5E3 circuit is one of the best guitar amp circuits ever. My go-to amp as well. Love that tweed era overdrive.
I absolutely preferred stock speaker, Green for second place, and Blue is third in all examples. Stock is really clear-sounding, bright, good for sitting in the mix. Blue has muddiness in its tone.
OK Rhett there’s another relatively low cost upgrade for that amp: TUBES. Start with an ANOS (almost new old stock) 12AY7 in the V1 spot. (KCA is a great source for NOS and ANOS tubes). That will make the biggest difference. Next new power tubes - they wear out unlike preamp tubes. Tune Sol 6V6-GT is a good starting point. (Don’t buy the Ruby or Mesa BS). The tubes that came with your kit work but...
As far as speakers go I wouldn’t use any of those 3 in a Tweed Deluxe but the Jensen came closest to how it’s supposed to sound. The Fender Discussion Page has endless debates on different speakers for specific, vintage amps. A Weber 12A125A would be my starting point but YMMV.
P.S. looking at the cabs behind you, I’m thinking you have some adequate alternatives to a Tweed Deluxe 😉
My Amp for a speaker swap is a USA Blues Jr. (I think it's a '96) I like the Greenback. I play an early 70s Strat and a home built Strat with Custom '54's Pickups. Got a Swamp Ash Les Paul also, but have only plugged it into my stock 67 Super Reverb. No mods in either of my amps.
Also, thank you the video.
I understand what you are after for a live tone, but you killed the vibe of this amp. It now doesn't sound like a Fender Tweed circuit. To each their own, but the Jensen sounded great.
The blue or the original, not the green at all, sounded Muddy!
Agreed! to my ears it sounded muddy too. It's got its fans though, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Muddy? I actually thought the opposite but it somehow sounded 'weaker' than the others.
@@FinalBaton For sure!
I think turning up the tone knob a little would help the greenback
I liked the original Jensen, sounds crisper.
It was always crazy to me that young dudes in my bands would spend thousands on stomp boxes but never spend $150 on a speaker replacement. Next to pickups, I can't think of a bigger impact on tone than changing speakers. I play my Orange AD30 with a pair of Blues, and the tone is incredibly rich and lush, rolling off when I push the power tubes. Put a pair of V30s in the cab and you'll hear nothing but high-mids ripping like a buzzsaw through your eardrums.
Might change the vintage 30 on my amp then. I’m tired of those mids and that overpowering bass.
@@pugforce8315 I used to play my Orange AD30HTC with an Avatar open-backed 2x12 with a pair of Greenbacks, and now a pair of Alnico Blues.
Dudes with the same head were always buying the matching Orange cab, which was a closed-back V30 pair and sounded NOTHING like my setup. They loved it, but I always thought it just sounded like they were playing a Tube Screamer, no matter what was on their board or in their hands.
If using stock tubes (for some reason people keep putting 12ax7s in P1 of tweed circuits) I’d use that stock speaker. But if using the 12AY7 in P1 (like you’re supposed to on tweed amps) I’d go,with the Alnico blue).
I love that Stones riff
I would be nice to hear them in the mix, because the Jensen I think will jump up more than the others
The green n the Blue R really smoother, but for me less interesting, i prefer the original one.
Stock speaker sounded the best in this comparison.
I loved the Blue’s sparkle and clarity across its brilliant tonal range. The Jenson sounded shrill when driven, stiff and underdeveloped in its bass response. The Greenback’s tonal response was very good but didn’t appeal to my ‘ear’ as the Blue had.
Never cared for Jensens. I always felt they sounded harsh. I always wondered why Fender put a Jensen in their newer Blues Junior Tweeds.
I prefer the Jenson by far in this amp.
I'm odd. Green would be my choice.
I liked the green back the best. It wasn't too shrill and still had plenty of detail. The stock was by far the most detailed, but was very harsh. It probably would've faired better with a darker amp like an Engl or Marshall. The blue is alright too, but there was a chowny quality to the mid range that didn't sit right with me personally.
Marshalls are dark? That can be very wrong. Nothing screams like the most famous Marshalls
Hmmm... Still prefer the Greenback. I have been using them since the '60's, however. Best, Pete.
I personally like the Celestion Blues and the Celestion Silver Bells in every amp I have! Bar none they sound the very best!
Personally I would get a second tweet Deluxe and put the greenback in that so that I could run both amps at the same time and blend them live
The Jensen was more "the sound" of what i come to expect out of those amps, but i preferred the greenback far and away, especially when the amp was pushed and overdriven.
Greenback sounded the best to me
Greenback was definitely the best overdriven sound
I prefer the blue for overall clarity and response
The Jensen - as you said - was
Poor on the low end, though
I liked the “harsh” mids
The greenback was smoother but also less responsive when digging in.
12in Creamback Neo - would win this contest- Pairs up really, really nicely with this amp. I have one in my Fender Blues Deluxe. Sounds bright enough that you don't lose the whole entirety of that Jensen brightness that comes with the amp. But smooths out everything else & handles more gain from all the overdrive screamers & a million other pedals you want to use. (Not all at once) but you can mix & match. The Celestion Neo seems to be the best of both worlds.
Plus these amps have a bright & dark input, a bright boost switch & a high, mid, low tone knob set. There is PLENTY of brightness in these amps. You can stand to lose some. But I agree that all other speakers I've heard seem to kill the essence of the tweed "Fender" tone. Just get a Marshall or Vox, yeah.
But the Celestion Neo Creamback gives you all the good "rock tone" without taking too much brightness as all the others seem to do.
In my opinion. Give it a listen yourself.
I really need to check those out.
This is very interesting, I buiilt a non-Mojotone 5E3 and put a WGS G12Q in it which to me sounds pretty good but since I heard good things about the blue, I thought I'd try one. I found one secondhand and popped it into a 1x12 open back cab. The difference between the two speakers is huge - first off the alnico is way, way louder but also really bassy - it has the high end for sure but also tons and tons of bottom end - Hmmm... not sure it is for me. I tried it with a pine Esquire and a firebird with vintage pickups and both sounded way less sharp and brigbht than usual. I don't know if this is because of the cheap cab I have the blue in or some other reason. The blue isn't very old, maybe 10 years max (the code isn't readable right now) and I don't hear any rubbing or other bad things but the abount of bass is a bit off-putting...
Try Jensen P12R and P12N. Huge difference. Ceramic Jensen C12Q speakers very good for hi-gain metal amps.
Could you do or have you done any speaker comparisons using Strats, or Tele’s?
Jensen by a mile, smoother and not muddy or lacking clarity like the others. No way I'd ditch that Jensen. That's easily the best speaker.
I thought the Greenback had more clarity but it was weaker sounding somehow.
I'd also keep the original speaker.
agree
kommi1974 agree with You totally. The celestions were too muddy by comparison
kommi1974 Sounded horrible!
Stock: 3:07
Greenback: 5:03
Blue: 7:11
I dunno what he hears that is SO different...
Was it just ne, or did the Greenback and the Blue just get their asses handed to them by the Jensen?
@@518freakshow4 Sure sounds brighter to my ears. Whether that's good or not is up to you.
You're a good man Guitar House Lima. Thank you.
Thanks for the time stamps. :)
Celestion blue is my choice here, the original would be my second. Greenbacks are for Marshalls. For Fender style cleans though, I'd probably stick with the original.
I have a greenback in my cab and it sounds great.
Definitely the “Blue”. It had smoothness and clarity. The distorted sound of the Green was nice, but it really didn’t have the chimey quality of the Blue. I primarily play a Strat and I’m looking for the right amp right now. It’s great to hear the tweed style amp. I feel like the mid range push will help my tone? Thanks for the post.
I remember when I heard Celestions for the first time. Puked and got back to Jensens immediately. Such good days.
quite often the difference between one speaker and another is slight, but the price differences are BIG ! I think the Celestion Blue is sold on it's reputation from the past ..especially when connected with Vox
Jensen was coming out swinging...and I like it! Green would be my second choice.
They all sound good to me, its just a matter of different taste's and styles.
The Blue is the easy winner. Alnico speakers in general will beat ceramics for personality. You can hear and see how you reacted to the way it dresses up the notes.
To my mind, a 5E3 circuit is for single coil guitars. Normally, i wouldn’t go for greenback but it clearly sounded better for what you were playing. The blue was tighter, more defined, but less musical in that application. An analogy is ripe fruit vs not quite ripe, with ripe being juicy and full flavored. A gold or UK V30 might be a better choice for a match of musicality and versatility. Thanks for the great vids!
I personally loved the green back but maybe that's because I'm a big single coil guy.
Okay as a tweed amp aficionado, here’s some secrets you should know. Tone - always on 10 no matter what you’re using for a guitar. Instrument Volume - 3-4 is your sweet spot. Anything more and the amp just sound like it’s caving in on itself. Mic volume is usually off, but some like it just on. Could be on 1 or 3, just on.
No tweed amps, except the bassman and twin, do you want the volume over 3-4. It doesn’t get any louder, just more distorted in a bad way.
Thanks for the info!
Then you dont know how to use a tweed. The 5e3 needs bass removed by turning the vol not used past 6..preferably over around 10 or 11. The 30-40 watt tweeds like super, bandmaster, etc attenuate the harshness as you lower the treble and bass controls. That is because of the design. It also attenuates some of the over the top gain. The bassman and hi po twin are the same circuit...just 45 vs 80w.
whos gonna tell Neil Young hes been goin it wrong all this time?
Markus Reeves Brotherhood look I will never be Neil Young or ever reach his success or talent even if I had 100 lives to try. That said, this is a bad example to use because his sound isn’t good and mocked a lot. If you said Larry Carlton, I’d say you’re absolutely right.
@@wilson4180 really? haha larry carlton?? seriously? im sure hes a great player but daaaammm zzzzzzzzz that fusion shit is just a bore ... i guess we are looking at 5e3s from opposite ends of the spectrum ... personally noe of the speakers in the clip work for me....my Ted Webber keeps the bass fart free and tight mid have lots of cut and not an ice pick in sight ..if youre using a 5e3 for cleans then youre using the wrong amp as the bass response doesnt really peak till its passed 6 .... and the glorious musical feedback doesnt kick in til 8/9 ... if yours caves in around 5 then it needs a service or a new speaker ..ok im bored now ..bye
The blue sounded good to me. Greenback was very nice but the blue won.