I said it before, I’ll say it again: the new C8 Chevorlet Corvette is what the new *Acura NSX should have been,* an affordable light mid-engine supercar fighter with everyday daily luxury car amenities and comfort. They aren’t very comparable as they are now, no, but they _should_ have been. The C8 Corvette is slated to be a modern Toyota Supra and Nissan GT-R killer that could also hang with the Porsche Caymans/911’s and Ferrari’s on the track. Something of a spiritual successor to the road paved by the first 1990 Acura NSX and 2010 Lotus Evora. Always chasing the base Porsche 911’s tail. The Acura NSX didn’t need to become another $150,000 Hybrid Supercar like the BMW i8 because to be honest, nobody really wanted to buy one. The BMW i8 and Acura NSX became the choice for niche hybrid nerds that wanted expensive flashy cars that were unique and literally nobody else bought. The Audi R8, Porsche 911 Turbo, McLaren 570S/540C, Aston Martin Vantage, BMW i8, and Mercedes AMG GTR all compete with the Acura NSX in the supercar market at that price. A Honda produced V10, a V8, or a twin turbocharged V6 (or supercharged V6) built on a much lighter chassis without the hybrid electric batteries would have been sufficient. The Acura NSX looks good, and is technologically advanced like the BMW i8, but they can’t justify the $150,000 price tag. Starting price at $60,000-90,000 is good, just to undercut Porsche.
Dreamy Agree with most of what you said., but the c8 is not a light war. It’s dry weight is still 1,527kg (3,366ib). Very heavy for a sports with not hybrid motor.
You cant really compare this to the NSX in my opinion. Both cars and companies are on two different levels. You pay $150k for virtually next to nothing maintance. But the c8 and Cheves rep in general with servicing. And when you say no one wanted to buy one, you should check the sales sheets again. Funny enough though, both companies are partnered together for future EV development. - a non honda fan
I like that their review was completely transparent. Absolutely no one else has had anything negative or real to say about this car. They didn't find much wrong but at least they were honest about the review.
@@tyler9703 OP did not specify "journalist" and Casey Putsch is a very well informed and well experienced individual when it comes to cars due to his racing background and his current work. So not being a "journalist" shouldn't be relevant. Also, his points about the (complete lack of) ergonomics of the C8 steering wheel are legitimate without having driven the car (hence why he hasn't talked about the car itself). He has seen and handled the steering wheel already and he explains very clearly why it's fucked. It's an extremely preventable and fixable problem but a serious downfall. But then, most supercar owners (corvettes included) are just old rich people who are just gonna flex and cruise around town, not push them around a track. He admitted such, so maybe making the best track experience car (even WITHOUT any compromise on other aspects) is not the most important.
When you have to mention many other cars to denigrate the C8, the C8 has certainly done the job right (for the most part). Understeer can be neutralized with camber adjustment and is mentioned in the owner's manual (for track use); understeer helps save the drivers that don't know how to drive (as well as they should).
Best comment... You are totally right. Understeer is SAFE in public roads, and the c8 Corvette is target to the mass... So, it is easy to correct a understeer then an oversteer.
C8 is actually the most boring to drive sports car I've ever driven you're wrong. They should have been much harsher on the car but there was so much hypebit was virtually impossible to get a real opinion. Bang for buck bros in their jean shorts we're out praising this thing. Meanwhile theres literally no feel of any type in this car, transmission sucks in auto list goes on.
The understeer is from the standard alignment settings designed to keep retirees out 9f the ditch. Motortrend touched on the performance alignment settings on its review of the C8.
@@mattyp3119 that's because old people tend to have more money and better appreciate the value derived in exchange for that money. What are you about anyway? Don't be such an insecure douchebag, it's not a good look; it's pathetic, and you're clearly overcompensating for something.
I’m 68, mine’s set up for the track. Not all retirees are slow, though I agree most are. The Z06 will make the Brit happy, he can rev it to his heart’s content for a fraction of the price of a euro super car. Oh, and changing the alignment is a cheap fix.
Complain about a mid-engine vette that doesn't have a manual. But I never heard complaints about mid-engine Italian cars not having gated shifters... honestly
People did complain but it's not been an option for years so people have moved on Also imo a 458 is a better all round super car so people weren't left wanting a manual
@@superswagproud7189 that may be the case in the US, but elsewhere in the World, the figures tend to be much closer. The US imposes large import tariffs on imported vehicles. Still, the marketing aims the Corvette against Italian and German super cars, and fails miserably in real world tests.
Mid-engine, low price, plenty of power. Yes, this car was designed to understeer on purpose. There will be so many people overdriving their ability in this car. If it was setup for track use, half of them would be in the hedge from power-on oversteer, or lift-off/snap oversteer. They'll probably come out later with a track package that fits a correctly tuned rear diff, and a more focused track mode.
@@coinbbq0527 That's not what I'm saying. They made it handle safely for all the people trying to drive at the limit, who have not right to be driving that way.
@@coinbbq0527 Tuned in understeer will ultimately make the car slower on a track but it also makes it more stable and easier to drive. So for street use with the average joe, it makes perfect sense.
understeer on roads can be dangerous, but I get your point for sure.. It might make people hold off on cornering if they feel like they are going to go into the guardrail... Or is it too late by then and you are in the guardrail? as soon as it starts sliding you hit the brakes, which in turn takes away from the cornering ability and you lose all traction... I guess you could learn to drift around all corners lol
Because the majority of new Corvette buyers are still old retired dudes who baby them and play golf. That stereotype exists for a reason. The people who want manuals are enthusiasts many of whom are younger and cannot afford to buy a new C8. They want manual sports cars to be released so that in 3-5 years they'll pick them up at a good price used
@@alexandertony2475 that's preety bad for the whole market as much as we lpbe manuals autos shift faster and the majority of the U.S. like just pressing the gas and breaking when they have to go to work or going shopping but they should have manual options for certain cars
Willing to bet that understeer is 100% intentional to keep the typical corvette buyer out of the morgue. I would prefer it err on the side of oversteer, but the attorneys seem to prefer understeer. Mid engine / RWD cars have a tendency to give you snap oversteer, which is a blast, if you have fast hands....and will kill you if you don’t. (I know I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know).
Chevy even said the understeer was intentionally built in because most buyers will never have driven a mid-engine car prior to owning one, and they wanted the performance to be safely approachable for those new to the drivetrain set up. It was also to not alienate their core base of buyers who likely wouldn't be familiar with the twitchy/ snap oversteer nature of a mid-engine car. Future performance models will rectify the problem without question.
@@MrCarCrazy Yeah, they even have a recommended track alignment setting for the car to eliminate some of the understeer. They say you can have it done at the dealership prior to taking delivery.
I find more dangerous to understeer than over do it. You can hit things right with the front or go flying though a cliff, or hitting another car in a front accident. Tell me how oversteer is more dangerous than that
So, I happened to surprise my wife with a 2022 C8 LT2 with the Z51 package. We both had corvettes when we first met in our twenties. So, it was a sentimental purchase. I've been a car enthusiast since I was a teen. Had muscle cars, then bought my first vette 1962 at 21. It was semi customized, and it was and still is beautiful. It was a great feel to own, just not a great drive. but a head turner! So, she took delivery of the C8 in March of 2022. She now has 11k miles on it (two long road trips attributed to half that mileage). She has no hesitation pushing the envelope with it. We do track it locally and even get it on a drag strip with some of the muscle cars. I am not a typical collector as we own them to use and really enjoy them. We've had several other corvettes, and the C8 is impressive as its unlike any of the previous generations. The mid engine dual 8 speed clutch and much more chevy implemented changed the game for the corvette. Now it's a far cry from the two Ferrari's. A 2020 F8 Tributo & 2019 Ferrari 488 GTB! You're also talking about a hugh sticker price difference. We have 7 adult children and our 5th grandchild due soon, but there is still room for another car. I always wanted a Z06, so I have one on order, but a 2023 delivery is questionable. The vettes are just in my blood, but lean towards the Italian super cars.
Great shots of the understeer! Many reviewers talk about how cars handle, but rarely do they demonstrate the behavior they're describing or its magnitude. Good job!
The Z06 will have a 8-9k rpm DOHC screamer that you guys are looking for and they will fix the understeer problem. The C8 base is the Cars and Coffee boomer cruising spec. What you guys want is the Z06 then you will want the ZR1 then Zora. But you'll be talking $100k - $150k USD for those and not the $60k USD starting base. Ferrari just came out with the Stradale starting at $650k USD which is a 1000 hp hybrid entry level hyper car. Zora will be 1000 hp hybrid with similar hyper car performance but ~ $150k so will be quite impressive.
I thought the same, the review is fair and i can understand the critic about the understeering but as you say this is the car for the masses and lots of corvette owners coming from the C7 are not used to a middle motor, same for a lot of people who never drove anything with that power. If you want a good track car the Z06 was always one of the best options in the line.
The ZORA will not be a $150k car (the ZR1 maybe will start around there). If it comes in anywhere sub $300k it will be the hypercar bargain of the century.
Even the Z06 is rumored at this point. There might not even be a ZR1. The "if" was also apparent during the previous generation. With that said, getting a Z06 might be the one to have if there are not any cooling issues like there were in the previous generation.
@@BleedForTheWorld I think it doesnt really matter if the next higher model is called Z06 or not but it would make sense if they keep the name. We do know it will come with a 5.5L V8 with a flat plane crank and probably active aero as an additional package. And if you really want to drive a Z51 on the track you can always run a more aggresive alignement, Randy tested one with much more negative camber and the understeer was almost gone.
@@losersquadhd1234 pushrod engine = low rpm. Check out the c8r, chevys c8 race car version. They are developing a flat plane crank for other higher up models as well, and the rpm will be higher. having a v8 doesn't mean low rpms
@@trashbandit2449 Actually the LT2 has 6600rpm redline because the auto cylinder shut off mechanism was not durable enough above 6600rpm to meet GM's reliability requirements(so so engineering😣) but if the engineering had been better a 7500rpm redline could have been possible(with a few relatively inexpensive upgrades,except for a better auto cylinder shut off mechanism, always cheaper to do it right the first time). I am hoping for a 383cu.in.(6.3L) 104mm bore "LT3" with 530 SAE HP for the mid cycle refresh.
@@gen1c8rs88 I think they just wanted it good enough to release. I don't think then engine will get any larger sadly, those days are gone and the future c8 engines are looking like they will be around 5.5L flat planes, which I don't know what I think about yet...
Now all manufacturers are doing this: they are leaving things on the table to make refresh every years. They knew exactly what they were doing with that understeer, which will either be “fixed” next year or in the Z06. Toyota is doing the same thing with the Supra....
1betterthanyou1 you’re right, however they used to wait for mid cycle refresh to do that. The supra is a good example, before they would have waited a few years before releasing such an update. In this case alignement and rear sway bar is probably all that’s needed to cut that understeer.
Great review. Everything they say it's lacking will be answered with the Z06. No doubt the exotic engine and the handling will be there when it's released. I respect their criticisms but you must realize that what GM is offering for the price is close to a miracle.
the things they complain about aren't worth complaining about at all, they had to go fishing. After owning a c6 z51 and a c7 I can say that 99% of corvette owners won't notice anything these guys complained about.
I had placed my deposit until I realized it only came w flappy paddle shifters and I told the salesman I no longer wanted the car, he couldn't believe it. when I saw this vid I almost lost it laughing.
Dude these guys are legit the best reviewers if you care about car performance (something imo you really should put above electronics and features) and that's why I love them so much. They don't shill, they give it credit where its due and they criticise it when it deserves it. For real the best there is. Doug never looks at the driving experience in depth and that's why I like Throttle House so much more.
@@okaythen001 easy, I had a Charger 392 and it had great power and puts it to the ground. I upgraded to a hellcat and the power is worthless unless you are going 100mph. The car has amazing power but from a stop its worthless 0-60mph or even 0-100 mph.
The Z51 package is not necessarily what gives you 5 extra horsepower. It is the performance exhaust which is included in the Z51 package, but also a stand alone option.
Wow, you all saying American cars don't handle...I mean it sounds funny but the Corvette is the only reason that all the nice cars now have magnetic suspension. Has been a dominator in GT racing for as long as I can remember. Even the Z06 has better lap records than nearly every other car. The anecdote does not hold water in the real world.
I saw one in the same color at our local car show, every time i went by it, it looked like a totally different color. I could definitely see light blue, and definitely thought it was white when i first saw it, but realized it was some weird gray color in between... not a huge fan, but i get it.
Steven Tacconi I think our brains automatically calibrate white balance depending on the surrounding light. If you’re looking at the car, your brain decides that is white. If you look at something warmer, like a true white in sunlight, you’ll be able to see the blue in the car. This is the whole blue/black or white/gold dress thing all over again.
This is why I love watching your guys reviews! You actually stopped the bs and gave it a real review and not just ‘OMG it’s amaazing’. The understeer and the back styling are two of my main ‘issues as well - but oh man it really is a beautiful car
Nick Sheizashvili Well, First off, it’s Pastor James’ Church. He could do whatever he wants in it. 2, how do we know he lives in a church. He filmed the Coronavirus series in there
That slight thing that's missing is a supercharger or turbocharger system. In its current introduced C8 form with a good old American V-8 it's great.... The ZO6 and ZR1 is usually where the extreme Corvette beast mode comes in. Chevy has hit a home run with this Vette... Bravo!!!
I watched the video's with Pobst tracking the car and not once did he complain about the understeer. He did mention CONTROLABLE understeer. Did you guys have the track alignment settings? Remember the C8 is a STREET car first and a track car second. If you are going to put it through the ringer set the alignement!
It's crazy how fast this channel has grown in such a short time. I subbed at about 60k and it's only been like 8 months or so. It's actually insane! You guys are 3 quarters to 1mil! Love you guys!
The bad understeer, the cognitive dissonance of having a low-revving OHV engine in a mid-engine exotic, the reliance of the center tunnel for structural rigidity--I love the fact that you guys come up with real, constructive criticism. Everyone else is just rehashing the same glowing review of the C8. You guys manage to be fun, entertaining and yet honest. Much appreciated!
This car is absolutely incredible and almost perfect. Perfection would include a manual. I still think the C7 Grand Sport manual is my choice for now. That car still breaks my neck when I see one.
ive honestly just stared telling my wife i wanted one of these last week and here you guys are today doing a review on it...its like your car angels...
I just attended the Ron Fellows Performance Academy, and the understeer issue is addressed by adjusting the suspension. Not an issue at all. We drove 2022's at crazy speeds and making close pin turns with no understeer. This is a 2 year old review. They need to update it. t
You can make any car understeer if you drive it into a corner without power. It seems like these guys are really trying to find something to complain about. After road racing Corvettes for many years, I can tell you that you cannot evaluate over/under steer on the street. You need to go on the track for some high speed sustained cornering. I did enjoy hearing their feedback about the car, but the understeer comments are not accurate from a few 90 degree street corners. Take it to the track, trail brake to the limit into every corner, hit the apex with your foot on the gas, apply max power coming out. Repeat for a dozen laps, then tell me if it understeers, and we will have a starting point for tuning.
It is a very smooth drive. One of the smoothest driving mid engine'd vehicles ever, saying it isn't because of some jank camera mount is just plain silly lmao
gas-powered-crusader It’s not a luxury car dumbass. If you would take a minute and actually LISTEN to what he’s saying in the video, you would know he said “almost feels like a luxury car”. Literally no one said it is a full blown luxury car so kindly stfu and go watch your bmw videos.
Aaaah, the Canadian perspective...been waiting for this. :) So, the only objective criticism you guys shared are 1) Tremendous under steer and 2) Poor rearward visibility due to targa-top and the rear-view mirror. Otherwise, the remaining dings are all subjective. Which, is fine because we all have our preferences. I would love to see you guys get some track time with the car to see if the understeer issue can be tuned out via suspension adjustments (if adjustments are possible on the car). Good stuff, love your guys' channel!
James Engelsman I cant wait!!! I’ve seen some videos where people have felt the understeer issues have been minimized with the track camber alignment but that’s up to you guys to figure out lol. Great review!
That is the perfect combination. A super car with a Hi Tech, reliable pushrod V8 (Lower center of mass for the engine, a lot of torque and almost perfect reliability. Sure it may not rev as high, but you also do not have large heads and heavy overhead cams atop the engine.
Exactly. I'm not interested in a flat-plane crank. It destroys the sound of the engine. Leave high revving engines to Ferrari. They sound awesome. But so does a C6R thundering down the Mulsanne straight @ Le Mans.
I'm extremely picky when it comes to tv shows, youtube , etc. But these guys are the real deal! This channel is easily on it's way to 10 million subscribers. Well done you two! Cheers and congratulations! You got a winner!
Honestly doesn’t matter, we all know what Americans are gonna do with the car. The same thing they do with every car made for a circuit track...make it have 1500hp and drive it straight
Except here’s the thing.....Chevy Camaro ZL1, Ford GT500, Ford GT, Chevy Corvette ZR1, Dodge Charger Hellcat widebody, Dodge Viper, Dodge Viper ACR, do I need to continue? Americans are fully capable of producing competent and competitive track cars, corner killers and Ferrari busters. Don’t let that assumption cloud your vision, or you may be chasing some Made in USA taillights pretty soon.
@@tailsneon556 I was just going to say that, I haven't driven a miata, but I have driven a few modern porsches and the steering feel is really impressive.
What an honest review! I wanted to buy and took test drive, didn’t feel the punch from v8 and no excitement of German car. I will wait for my z06 turn.
The biggest letdown of the C8 is the factory wheel designs. At times though, I actually like the C7 better. I feel a cure for that coming though in the form of the C8 Z06 with flat plane crank V8, and sure to be improved steering and suspension tuning. That is going to be the sweet spot for sure. Great review guys.
I saw one of these for the first time IRL just yesterday and oh my did it break my jaw! It’s WAY cooler than in pictures! How on Earth can something this gorgeous be only $60k!?!?
@@TristanSilverwood That's not a valid argument, Any American V8 will be a screamer with a flat plane crank. See: Mustang GT350. But with a flat plane crank you sacrifice torque. See: Mustang GT350. GM didn't want to sacrifice torque in their bread and butter Corvette, hence a standard cross plane crank. But be aware that their race car, the C8.R, DOES use a flat plane crank and revs unbelievably high, and sounds absolutely vicious. See here: th-cam.com/video/mCElwtx05pU/w-d-xo.html That engine, uncorked for street use, will be in the upcoming C8 Z06 with somewhere between 600-700 HP and a 9k RPM redline. I think people forget that the current C8 is just the BASE MODEL Corvette.
I got a solution to the oversteer problem. It’s either slow down (or not press on the gas pedal), or the manufacturer should remake the vehicle with the rear wheels turning the exact degree the front wheels are (although I disagree on doing so since it’s meant for racing often rather than any other purpose) due to the short length and less weight. Blind spots? Small cameras can be added so the panel can show where you want to look at (with the manufacturer deciding to so).
There's this strange idea that understeer is safer than oversteer. You have no chance recovering from understeer at a certain speed but oversteer is savable. And I think Boomers getting Corvettes still know they are getting a Corvette
motosonic for you maybe that applies and thats your opinion. The general consensus for that particular corvette would be a “understeer” besides Car manufacturers tend to set their default to a bit “understeer” and alot of reviewers and enthusiast knew about that. Sure, a few people here “know” oversteer are savable and “experts” with their savable oversteer but the point of my comment would be for normal people and casual old people and boomers alike.
@@motormusique for the average person its easier to recover from an understeer (let off the throttle) than it is to recover from an oversteer. In fact the instinctual response of applying the brakes is what turns an oversteer into a spin.
motosonic any evidence to support your bold claim? It doesnt mean that traction control dont exist back then, it means a boomer is good driver. Its like this “it doesnt mean you are black, doesnt mean that youre not racist” see the point? If you mean “younger people” like teens but, when the boomers was about the same age as what you said “younger people” its the same or maybe worse. You know, most car enthusiast lingers to nostalgia, that back then cars are much better and they would defend that nostalgia to the hilt. So unless you do have a concrete evidence of what you saying, im just gonna say the level would be the same.
To quote Jeremy Clarkson (again): It’s much better to have a manual when you are driving on a track for fun. Because then you are in charge and you have more control. But at all other times, a car with a manual gearbox is like a television with no remote control. A damn nuisance. (Jeremy Clarkson 2014) (www.topgear.com/car-news/jeremy-clarkson/clarkson-manual-gearboxes)
If you don’t like the steering review the modes available for the street and pick one as for the manual the DCT is two manuals with electronic clutches and with without the paddles the DCTs are faster then any stick you can find. The understeer is for the street so you don’t find the nearest tree because you really aren’t that good a driver!
love your reviews but i think you need more time in the vette and the ability to modify it as gm suggests for an advanced driver. speed phenom actually bought a car (seemingly an unbiased ford guy) and tracks, road trips, etc and has way better feedback than what you guys are offering. I get it, you have to be entertaining and are fishing for subs but a day or two with someone elses car isn't sufficient. Speed phenom has such a great format and tracks the heck out of his cars and street drives every day, he needs more subs.
No real person will be driving that way on the street. Which is why the car was engineered to be safe on the road for the maximum amount of drivers who may have never owned a performance car like this before. The Z06 and ZR1 will be engineered with higher levels of performance.
Thanks for your reviews! Y’all are one of the main 3 auto review channels I watch constantly! I would like to see a review or comparison to the C7 in which I think is the better looking vette’s! Keep up the great work guys!
What is crazy.. Is the 991.2 GT3 lapped the Nurburgring in 7:12.. conducted by Porsche. The C7 corvette zo6 lapped it in 7:13.. with a manual. FOR FRACTION OF THE COST OF A PORSCHE. I would say the corvette is an American supercar and something special for the average person who doesn’t have $250-300k to spend on a car. Now it looks like a proper supercar. Kudos chevy. Kudos. Only drawback is the redline at 6k.
You guys should borrow another, and take it to a Chevrolet dealership and have them do the track suspension alignment to it... that dials out all of the understeer.
Instead of complaining that the car understeers too much, you could take the corners like 2-3 mph slower than you are and problem solved? Perhaps you are taking the corner at the speed that you shouldn't be?
sure, then just don't call it supercar. call it looky car. and it's fast ... enough, to not be embarrassing, women won't know or care about the difference, and I won't either. I´d kill myself with the supercar.
I mean it is a car meant for a track, I don't expect the tightest of street turning. It just means don't go into corners like a wild man and you're fine.
@Cacao Scotti West of the GTA. There are so many amazing borderline country roads that are perfectly paved. These are basically five minutes away from me
Watch out, Ferrari and Lamborghini! If this thing can already tag along with R8s and 992s and not look or be out of place, then the NATURALLY-ASPIRATED 5.5 flat-plane-crank V8 and scalpel precision in the Z06 will certainly give them a run for their money. I can't wait for that review to come. Great job, guys!
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I said it before, I’ll say it again: the new C8 Chevorlet Corvette is what the new *Acura NSX should have been,* an affordable light mid-engine supercar fighter with everyday daily luxury car amenities and comfort. They aren’t very comparable as they are now, no, but they _should_ have been.
The C8 Corvette is slated to be a modern Toyota Supra and Nissan GT-R killer that could also hang with the Porsche Caymans/911’s and Ferrari’s on the track. Something of a spiritual successor to the road paved by the first 1990 Acura NSX and 2010 Lotus Evora. Always chasing the base Porsche 911’s tail. The Acura NSX didn’t need to become another $150,000 Hybrid Supercar like the BMW i8 because to be honest, nobody really wanted to buy one. The BMW i8 and Acura NSX became the choice for niche hybrid nerds that wanted expensive flashy cars that were unique and literally nobody else bought.
The Audi R8, Porsche 911 Turbo, McLaren 570S/540C, Aston Martin Vantage, BMW i8, and Mercedes AMG GTR all compete with the Acura NSX in the supercar market at that price. A Honda produced V10, a V8, or a twin turbocharged V6 (or supercharged V6) built on a much lighter chassis without the hybrid electric batteries would have been sufficient. The Acura NSX looks good, and is technologically advanced like the BMW i8, but they can’t justify the $150,000 price tag. Starting price at $60,000-90,000 is good, just to undercut Porsche.
The new nsx is still superior despite its interior.
Dreamy Agree with most of what you said., but the c8 is not a light war. It’s dry weight is still 1,527kg (3,366ib). Very heavy for a sports with not hybrid motor.
Don’t NSX stand for New Sportscar eXperimental?
You cant really compare this to the NSX in my opinion. Both cars and companies are on two different levels. You pay $150k for virtually next to nothing maintance. But the c8 and Cheves rep in general with servicing. And when you say no one wanted to buy one, you should check the sales sheets again. Funny enough though, both companies are partnered together for future EV development. - a non honda fan
First gen NSX was almost $90K when it was discontinued in 2003. No way was the new one ever going to be cheaper
I like that their review was completely transparent. Absolutely no one else has had anything negative or real to say about this car. They didn't find much wrong but at least they were honest about the review.
Casey Putsch? He hasn't even driven it on camera and he's made 2 videos with at least 40 mins about how much he hates the steering wheel lol
Jason Cammisa wrote an article on Road and Track and has talked about it’s flaws on Instagram too.
@@eugenepoon He's not a journalist, and like you said, he hasn't driven the car.
the reason why it cheap i most the part r basic oem...
@@tyler9703 OP did not specify "journalist" and Casey Putsch is a very well informed and well experienced individual when it comes to cars due to his racing background and his current work. So not being a "journalist" shouldn't be relevant.
Also, his points about the (complete lack of) ergonomics of the C8 steering wheel are legitimate without having driven the car (hence why he hasn't talked about the car itself). He has seen and handled the steering wheel already and he explains very clearly why it's fucked. It's an extremely preventable and fixable problem but a serious downfall.
But then, most supercar owners (corvettes included) are just old rich people who are just gonna flex and cruise around town, not push them around a track. He admitted such, so maybe making the best track experience car (even WITHOUT any compromise on other aspects) is not the most important.
When you have to mention many other cars to denigrate the C8, the C8 has certainly done the job right (for the most part). Understeer can be neutralized with camber adjustment and is mentioned in the owner's manual (for track use); understeer helps save the drivers that don't know how to drive (as well as they should).
Best comment... You are totally right. Understeer is SAFE in public roads, and the c8 Corvette is target to the mass... So, it is easy to correct a understeer then an oversteer.
Great comment
Well said!
C8 is actually the most boring to drive sports car I've ever driven you're wrong. They should have been much harsher on the car but there was so much hypebit was virtually impossible to get a real opinion. Bang for buck bros in their jean shorts we're out praising this thing. Meanwhile theres literally no feel of any type in this car, transmission sucks in auto list goes on.
@@mattyp3119 Opinions vary but I'm sticking to my initial review. 🤨
The understeer is from the standard alignment settings designed to keep retirees out 9f the ditch. Motortrend touched on the performance alignment settings on its review of the C8.
Average age of a vette owner: 68 straight from the company 😆😆😆😆
@@mattyp3119 yep.1
@@mattyp3119 I'm 32 with one.
@@mattyp3119 that's because old people tend to have more money and better appreciate the value derived in exchange for that money. What are you about anyway? Don't be such an insecure douchebag, it's not a good look; it's pathetic, and you're clearly overcompensating for something.
I’m 68, mine’s set up for the track. Not all retirees are slow, though I agree most are. The Z06 will make the Brit happy, he can rev it to his heart’s content for a fraction of the price of a euro super car. Oh, and changing the alignment is a cheap fix.
Complain about a mid-engine vette that doesn't have a manual. But I never heard complaints about mid-engine Italian cars not having gated shifters... honestly
People did complain but it's not been an option for years so people have moved on
Also imo a 458 is a better all round super car so people weren't left wanting a manual
Audi r8 gated... gone since 15
Because mid engined Italian cars have decent engines and good handling, and all look a hell of a lot better than this bag of nails!!
@@guydavies3035 but one thing, Corvette is 60K, italian supercars cost over 250K
@@superswagproud7189 that may be the case in the US, but elsewhere in the World, the figures tend to be much closer. The US imposes large import tariffs on imported vehicles. Still, the marketing aims the Corvette against Italian and German super cars, and fails miserably in real world tests.
Mid-engine, low price, plenty of power. Yes, this car was designed to understeer on purpose.
There will be so many people overdriving their ability in this car. If it was setup for track use, half of them would be in the hedge from power-on oversteer, or lift-off/snap oversteer.
They'll probably come out later with a track package that fits a correctly tuned rear diff, and a more focused track mode.
So you’re saying that to make the car handle well they have to make it handle shit? You can just say it still handles bad😂
@@coinbbq0527 That's not what I'm saying. They made it handle safely for all the people trying to drive at the limit, who have not right to be driving that way.
100% agree.
@@coinbbq0527 Tuned in understeer will ultimately make the car slower on a track but it also makes it more stable and easier to drive. So for street use with the average joe, it makes perfect sense.
understeer on roads can be dangerous, but I get your point for sure.. It might make people hold off on cornering if they feel like they are going to go into the guardrail... Or is it too late by then and you are in the guardrail? as soon as it starts sliding you hit the brakes, which in turn takes away from the cornering ability and you lose all traction... I guess you could learn to drift around all corners lol
Everyone and their dog miss the manual gearbox yet almost nobody buy[s] them... How come?
Me no have no money
I do my part companies just need to eliminate the option for autos on all cars except luxury cars suv and like vans and shit
Because the majority of new Corvette buyers are still old retired dudes who baby them and play golf. That stereotype exists for a reason. The people who want manuals are enthusiasts many of whom are younger and cannot afford to buy a new C8. They want manual sports cars to be released so that in 3-5 years they'll pick them up at a good price used
kal_vin nailed it 👍
@@alexandertony2475 that's preety bad for the whole market as much as we lpbe manuals autos shift faster and the majority of the U.S. like just pressing the gas and breaking when they have to go to work or going shopping but they should have manual options for certain cars
Willing to bet that understeer is 100% intentional to keep the typical corvette buyer out of the morgue. I would prefer it err on the side of oversteer, but the attorneys seem to prefer understeer.
Mid engine / RWD cars have a tendency to give you snap oversteer, which is a blast, if you have fast hands....and will kill you if you don’t. (I know I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know).
Yeah I think that might be true, but it is pretty sad if that's the case, because it really shouldn't understeer as bad as it does.
Chevy even said the understeer was intentionally built in because most buyers will never have driven a mid-engine car prior to owning one, and they wanted the performance to be safely approachable for those new to the drivetrain set up. It was also to not alienate their core base of buyers who likely wouldn't be familiar with the twitchy/ snap oversteer nature of a mid-engine car. Future performance models will rectify the problem without question.
Litemix great info! I don’t follow GM products much at all, but that seems plausible.
@@MrCarCrazy Yeah, they even have a recommended track alignment setting for the car to eliminate some of the understeer. They say you can have it done at the dealership prior to taking delivery.
I find more dangerous to understeer than over do it. You can hit things right with the front or go flying though a cliff, or hitting another car in a front accident. Tell me how oversteer is more dangerous than that
So, I happened to surprise my wife with a 2022 C8 LT2 with the Z51 package. We both had corvettes when we first met in our twenties. So, it was a sentimental purchase.
I've been a car enthusiast since I was a teen. Had muscle cars, then bought my first vette 1962 at 21. It was semi customized, and it was and still is beautiful. It was a great feel to own, just not a great drive. but a head turner!
So, she took delivery of the C8 in March of 2022. She now has 11k miles on it (two long road trips attributed to half that mileage). She has no hesitation pushing the envelope with it. We do track it locally and even get it on a drag strip with some of the muscle cars. I am not a typical collector as we own them to use and really enjoy them.
We've had several other corvettes, and the C8 is impressive as its unlike any of the previous generations. The mid engine dual 8 speed clutch and much more chevy implemented changed the game for the corvette.
Now it's a far cry from the two Ferrari's. A 2020 F8 Tributo & 2019 Ferrari 488 GTB! You're also talking about a hugh sticker price difference.
We have 7 adult children and our 5th grandchild due soon, but there is still room for another car. I always wanted a Z06, so I have one on order, but a 2023 delivery is questionable. The vettes are just in my blood, but lean towards the Italian super cars.
Great shots of the understeer! Many reviewers talk about how cars handle, but rarely do they demonstrate the behavior they're describing or its magnitude. Good job!
The Z06 will have a 8-9k rpm DOHC screamer that you guys are looking for and they will fix the understeer problem. The C8 base is the Cars and Coffee boomer cruising spec. What you guys want is the Z06 then you will want the ZR1 then Zora. But you'll be talking $100k - $150k USD for those and not the $60k USD starting base. Ferrari just came out with the Stradale starting at $650k USD which is a 1000 hp hybrid entry level hyper car. Zora will be 1000 hp hybrid with similar hyper car performance but ~ $150k so will be quite impressive.
I thought the same, the review is fair and i can understand the critic about the understeering but as you say this is the car for the masses and lots of corvette owners coming from the C7 are not used to a middle motor, same for a lot of people who never drove anything with that power. If you want a good track car the Z06 was always one of the best options in the line.
Beni Stingray agreed. MANY corvette owners are retired boomers who don’t drive their car at 10/10ths. Just wait for the ZO6 👍
The ZORA will not be a $150k car (the ZR1 maybe will start around there). If it comes in anywhere sub $300k it will be the hypercar bargain of the century.
Even the Z06 is rumored at this point. There might not even be a ZR1. The "if" was also apparent during the previous generation. With that said, getting a Z06 might be the one to have if there are not any cooling issues like there were in the previous generation.
@@BleedForTheWorld I think it doesnt really matter if the next higher model is called Z06 or not but it would make sense if they keep the name.
We do know it will come with a 5.5L V8 with a flat plane crank and probably active aero as an additional package.
And if you really want to drive a Z51 on the track you can always run a more aggresive alignement, Randy tested one with much more negative camber and the understeer was almost gone.
Imagine driving so many exotic cars that a V8 feels wrong
The V8 feels wrong due to the lack of rpms, most exotics that have the c8 vibe, rev to at least 8000, the poor thing only revs to what, 6500?
@@losersquadhd1234 pushrod engine = low rpm. Check out the c8r, chevys c8 race car version. They are developing a flat plane crank for other higher up models as well, and the rpm will be higher. having a v8 doesn't mean low rpms
@@trashbandit2449 Actually the LT2 has 6600rpm redline because the auto cylinder shut off mechanism was not durable enough above 6600rpm to meet GM's reliability requirements(so so engineering😣) but if the engineering had been better a 7500rpm redline could have been possible(with a few relatively inexpensive upgrades,except for a better auto cylinder shut off mechanism, always cheaper to do it right the first time). I am hoping for a 383cu.in.(6.3L) 104mm bore "LT3" with 530 SAE HP for the mid cycle refresh.
@@gen1c8rs88 I think they just wanted it good enough to release. I don't think then engine will get any larger sadly, those days are gone and the future c8 engines are looking like they will be around 5.5L flat planes, which I don't know what I think about yet...
Ferrari: Hold my beer
488 Spyder: Am i a joke to you?
Now all manufacturers are doing this: they are leaving things on the table to make refresh every years. They knew exactly what they were doing with that understeer, which will either be “fixed” next year or in the Z06. Toyota is doing the same thing with the Supra....
yeppp
@1betterthanyou1 they said it was to counter oversteer that would possibly kick out because of the added weight
There is a track alignment they offer
1betterthanyou1 you’re right, however they used to wait for mid cycle refresh to do that. The supra is a good example, before they would have waited a few years before releasing such an update. In this case alignement and rear sway bar is probably all that’s needed to cut that understeer.
"This Corvette is a Corvette"
"The shnozberries taste like shnozberries"
Great review. Everything they say it's lacking will be answered with the Z06. No doubt the exotic engine and the handling will be there when it's released. I respect their criticisms but you must realize that what GM is offering for the price is close to a miracle.
the things they complain about aren't worth complaining about at all, they had to go fishing. After owning a c6 z51 and a c7 I can say that 99% of corvette owners won't notice anything these guys complained about.
@@notyourmama4166 I just got a 2020 Z51 2LT and it feels great, it really is a beast.
“I thought i was stealing a manual” 😂😂😂😂
Still laughing about that one!!!!
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
I had placed my deposit until I realized it only came w flappy paddle shifters and I told the salesman I no longer wanted the car, he couldn't believe it. when I saw this vid I almost lost it laughing.
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That crashing sound of the up shift at 6:21 really got me going
VRRRRRR K! VRRRRRRRRRR
Dude these guys are legit the best reviewers if you care about car performance (something imo you really should put above electronics and features) and that's why I love them so much.
They don't shill, they give it credit where its due and they criticise it when it deserves it. For real the best there is. Doug never looks at the driving experience in depth and that's why I like Throttle House so much more.
Can someone elaborate on what they said about C7 Z06 "C7 can't handle Z06's power, the car became un-useable"
Not even close.
"TTHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSS"
- Doug, 2020 (probably)
@@okaythen001 easy, I had a Charger 392 and it had great power and puts it to the ground. I upgraded to a hellcat and the power is worthless unless you are going 100mph. The car has amazing power but from a stop its worthless 0-60mph or even 0-100 mph.
The Z51 package is not necessarily what gives you 5 extra horsepower. It is the performance exhaust which is included in the Z51 package, but also a stand alone option.
The performance exhaust is from Borla. Its different than the Z51 Package exhaust.
Just got my 2022 z01 lt2 with the obnoxious huge wing yesterday.
I am so happy when I drive it I cry like a baby..
* Chevy has entered under-steer chat room *
Audi: Oh hey, welcome! I was getting lonely here. lol
*Sad mr2 noises*
The engineers actually adjusted the suspension that way on purpose. You can easily fix that with a small adjustment
@@daytonraught629 Is that what the track alignment specs fixed?
if you understeer all the time, it's not the cars fault... try learning how to PROPERLY drive.
For me only problem is understeer but what would a Corvette be without 1 or 2 mistakes not every cars perfect
James: “I guess it’s gotta stay American in some form” 😂
What's not American about it? There's been lots of American mid engined cars
@@weasle2904 American cars are not known for their handling capabilities.
Jeronimo Stupenengo Pefaur So was the Corvette C2.
Wow, you all saying American cars don't handle...I mean it sounds funny but the Corvette is the only reason that all the nice cars now have magnetic suspension. Has been a dominator in GT racing for as long as I can remember. Even the Z06 has better lap records than nearly every other car.
The anecdote does not hold water in the real world.
philonetic The Corvette C7.R is one of the best cars to race at Le Mans. I can’t wait for the Corvette C8.R to carry on the legacy.
I lost it when you said “the car is blue”.
I saw one in the same color at our local car show, every time i went by it, it looked like a totally different color. I could definitely see light blue, and definitely thought it was white when i first saw it, but realized it was some weird gray color in between... not a huge fan, but i get it.
My wife calls gray stuff blue all the time. Drives me crazy.
Well it's mostly a diamond blue, definitely not gray
Casey Brannon your wife drives me crazy too.
Steven Tacconi I think our brains automatically calibrate white balance depending on the surrounding light. If you’re looking at the car, your brain decides that is white. If you look at something warmer, like a true white in sunlight, you’ll be able to see the blue in the car. This is the whole blue/black or white/gold dress thing all over again.
This is why I love watching your guys reviews! You actually stopped the bs and gave it a real review and not just ‘OMG it’s amaazing’. The understeer and the back styling are two of my main ‘issues as well - but oh man it really is a beautiful car
Rule that I learned, never buy the first version of a new car
Facts because it will only get better if the company doesn’t screw up
Especially if it is something like a jaguar or land rover 😬
richboy900 those are cars you don’t want to buy used, if you buy one new you can just get their warranty.
Yes bc of Agile
I think that rule almost applies to everything
Come on guys, we’ve been asking for that Church tour for a while now
Keep prayin
Arent cameras not allowed at churches?
Nick Sheizashvili Well, First off, it’s Pastor James’ Church. He could do whatever he wants in it. 2, how do we know he lives in a church. He filmed the Coronavirus series in there
These guys have the best personalities in the business! Great video as always
That slight thing that's missing is a supercharger or turbocharger system. In its current introduced C8 form with a good old American V-8 it's great.... The ZO6 and ZR1 is usually where the extreme Corvette beast mode comes in. Chevy has hit a home run with this Vette... Bravo!!!
I watched the video's with Pobst tracking the car and not once did he complain about the understeer. He did mention CONTROLABLE understeer. Did you guys have the track alignment settings? Remember the C8 is a STREET car first and a track car second. If you are going to put it through the ringer set the alignement!
This review was in street alignment. Check out our track video against the gt500 for a track alignment review
The cockpit style interior is so cool
Dude how are you everywhere
Gives off those old car feels which I think is dope in my opinion
You know its the car of the year when car journalists have this as a negative critic: its too good, too perfect. Lol
Too good. Too perfect... or this critique here, a "handkerchief too perfectly folded."
Seems like there was a lot of complaining in the video
Watch when he puts it on the track he's blow away
It's crazy how fast this channel has grown in such a short time. I subbed at about 60k and it's only been like 8 months or so. It's actually insane! You guys are 3 quarters to 1mil! Love you guys!
And now their at 1.22 million subscribers.
I think I subbed around 400-500k
Now it's almost 2 mil
The bad understeer, the cognitive dissonance of having a low-revving OHV engine in a mid-engine exotic, the reliance of the center tunnel for structural rigidity--I love the fact that you guys come up with real, constructive criticism. Everyone else is just rehashing the same glowing review of the C8. You guys manage to be fun, entertaining and yet honest. Much appreciated!
I personally appreciate the low rev ceiling and the bullet proof reliability of the pushrod v8 Chevy uses. I hope Chevy doesn't change a thing
This car is absolutely incredible and almost perfect. Perfection would include a manual. I still think the C7 Grand Sport manual is my choice for now. That car still breaks my neck when I see one.
i dont know why, i like the c7's shape more than the c8
The C8 just doesn't look right imo.
I agree
@@antoniosic6912 It looks like a walmart spec 458
Same. The c8 looks like they took a c7 and just moved the engine. The proportions don't look right
Headlights, taillights, and exhaust look tacky
ive honestly just stared telling my wife i wanted one of these last week and here you guys are today doing a review on it...its like your car angels...
I just attended the Ron Fellows Performance Academy, and the understeer issue is addressed by adjusting the suspension. Not an issue at all. We drove 2022's at crazy speeds and making close pin turns with no understeer. This is a 2 year old review. They need to update it.
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You can make any car understeer if you drive it into a corner without power. It seems like these guys are really trying to find something to complain about. After road racing Corvettes for many years, I can tell you that you cannot evaluate over/under steer on the street. You need to go on the track for some high speed sustained cornering. I did enjoy hearing their feedback about the car, but the understeer comments are not accurate from a few 90 degree street corners.
Take it to the track, trail brake to the limit into every corner, hit the apex with your foot on the gas, apply max power coming out. Repeat for a dozen laps, then tell me if it understeers, and we will have a starting point for tuning.
"It's like a luxury car!"
*camera bounces violently in resistance*
@@rueben44 Mounts don't bounce themselves. A 20 year old LS400 wouldn't get that much vibration if you rested the camera directly on the engine.
American "luxury"
It is a very smooth drive. One of the smoothest driving mid engine'd vehicles ever, saying it isn't because of some jank camera mount is just plain silly lmao
gas-powered-crusader It’s not a luxury car dumbass. If you would take a minute and actually LISTEN to what he’s saying in the video, you would know he said “almost feels like a luxury car”. Literally no one said it is a full blown luxury car so kindly stfu and go watch your bmw videos.
@@GuyMahoney A LS400 probably isn't as low to the ground with a stiff track setup.
Aaaah, the Canadian perspective...been waiting for this. :)
So, the only objective criticism you guys shared are 1) Tremendous under steer and 2) Poor rearward visibility due to targa-top and the rear-view mirror. Otherwise, the remaining dings are all subjective. Which, is fine because we all have our preferences. I would love to see you guys get some track time with the car to see if the understeer issue can be tuned out via suspension adjustments (if adjustments are possible on the car). Good stuff, love your guys' channel!
Stay tuned 😉
James Engelsman I cant wait!!! I’ve seen some videos where people have felt the understeer issues have been minimized with the track camber alignment but that’s up to you guys to figure out lol. Great review!
You guys have such brilliant delivery of content! Top Gear-esque, honestly, especially when revealling the understeer!
That is the perfect combination.
A super car with a Hi Tech, reliable pushrod V8 (Lower center of mass for the engine, a lot of torque and almost perfect reliability.
Sure it may not rev as high, but you also do not have large heads and heavy overhead cams atop the engine.
Exactly. I'm not interested in a flat-plane crank. It destroys the sound of the engine. Leave high revving engines to Ferrari. They sound awesome. But so does a C6R thundering down the Mulsanne straight @ Le Mans.
I'm extremely picky when it comes to tv shows, youtube , etc. But these guys are the real deal! This channel is easily on it's way to 10 million subscribers. Well done you two! Cheers and congratulations! You got a winner!
Honestly doesn’t matter, we all know what Americans are gonna do with the car. The same thing they do with every car made for a circuit track...make it have 1500hp and drive it straight
e34life 95 is that right comrade?
Honestly the majority of them will never even be driven hard.
Except here’s the thing.....Chevy Camaro ZL1, Ford GT500, Ford GT, Chevy Corvette ZR1, Dodge Charger Hellcat widebody, Dodge Viper, Dodge Viper ACR, do I need to continue? Americans are fully capable of producing competent and competitive track cars, corner killers and Ferrari busters. Don’t let that assumption cloud your vision, or you may be chasing some Made in USA taillights pretty soon.
Since the advent of electric steering, feel is a thing of the past unfortunately...
Not all EPS is bad. See ND Miata and modern Porsches
tailsneon556 I was literally typing that when you posted lol
like mentioned, Porsche, ND Miata, GT86 are all examples of cars with excellent electric power steering.
@@tailsneon556 I was just going to say that, I haven't driven a miata, but I have driven a few modern porsches and the steering feel is really impressive.
All Honda S2000s have electric power steering.
"but there's no manual transmissioonnnnn" whine whine whine
This car just looks amazing. Reasonably priced with the right amount of aggression and sleekness.
What an honest review! I wanted to buy and took test drive, didn’t feel the punch from v8 and no excitement of German car. I will wait for my z06 turn.
This is one of those videos I know I can just click the "Like" button before I even get passed the ads...
The biggest letdown of the C8 is the factory wheel designs. At times though, I actually like the C7 better. I feel a cure for that coming though in the form of the C8 Z06 with flat plane crank V8, and sure to be improved steering and suspension tuning. That is going to be the sweet spot for sure. Great review guys.
Can someone elaborate on what they said about C7 Z06 "C7 can't handle Z06's power, the car became un-useable"
Love that intro lol
Their intros are the best
I wonder why shows like Top Gear on the BBC even exist anymore with guys like this.
The understeer is dialed out with a track alignment you can have done at your Chevy dealership. Easy peasy.
I saw one of these for the first time IRL just yesterday and oh my did it break my jaw! It’s WAY cooler than in pictures! How on Earth can something this gorgeous be only $60k!?!?
There are a lot of things people care about in 2020 and YOU BEING FIRST COMMENT ISN'T JUST ONE OF THEM
Yeah we care about james's church
True story some must go from channel to channel just to say first ridiculous
The low engine revs with the DCT makes it seem neutered to me, I expect a car like that to scream but it just kinda groans.
It’s an American v8, not an Italian one
@@TristanSilverwood That's not a valid argument, Any American V8 will be a screamer with a flat plane crank. See: Mustang GT350. But with a flat plane crank you sacrifice torque. See: Mustang GT350. GM didn't want to sacrifice torque in their bread and butter Corvette, hence a standard cross plane crank. But be aware that their race car, the C8.R, DOES use a flat plane crank and revs unbelievably high, and sounds absolutely vicious. See here: th-cam.com/video/mCElwtx05pU/w-d-xo.html
That engine, uncorked for street use, will be in the upcoming C8 Z06 with somewhere between 600-700 HP and a 9k RPM redline. I think people forget that the current C8 is just the BASE MODEL Corvette.
The C7 sounded like a pissed-off pit bull whenever you start the engine
It's a 200 year old pushrod V8, not a screaming Italian V10
Drive a Camry then
This vette is amazing for being entry level save ur money boys for the Z06 or the ZR1 😈😈😈
yup
Imagine when the new package comes out “THE ZORA” it will have a 1000hp and awd
Bruh that's super car money that shit is not gonna blue car money its gonna be rich dude money 😂😂😂😂😂
@@theanimelibarian7881 I'll sale my fucking house! Or gf for that matter. Lmao ZR1 ftw
Awesome car...the many comments about under-steer were mute when you demonstrated understeer by diving into a T
moot*
Nalo hey crabman
I got a solution to the oversteer problem. It’s either slow down (or not press on the gas pedal), or the manufacturer should remake the vehicle with the rear wheels turning the exact degree the front wheels are (although I disagree on doing so since it’s meant for racing often rather than any other purpose) due to the short length and less weight. Blind spots? Small cameras can be added so the panel can show where you want to look at (with the manufacturer deciding to so).
I guess the “understeer” setting would be for the normies, to make the car “safer” and sellable to the boomers.
There's this strange idea that understeer is safer than oversteer. You have no chance recovering from understeer at a certain speed but oversteer is savable. And I think Boomers getting Corvettes still know they are getting a Corvette
motosonic for you maybe that applies and thats your opinion. The general consensus for that particular corvette would be a “understeer” besides Car manufacturers tend to set their default to a bit “understeer” and alot of reviewers and enthusiast knew about that. Sure, a few people here “know” oversteer are savable and “experts” with their savable oversteer but the point of my comment would be for normal people and casual old people and boomers alike.
@@motormusique for the average person its easier to recover from an understeer (let off the throttle) than it is to recover from an oversteer. In fact the instinctual response of applying the brakes is what turns an oversteer into a spin.
Son what Boomers probably know how to drive better than younger people today because they grew up with cars without any traction control
motosonic any evidence to support your bold claim? It doesnt mean that traction control dont exist back then, it means a boomer is good driver. Its like this “it doesnt mean you are black, doesnt mean that youre not racist” see the point? If you mean “younger people” like teens but, when the boomers was about the same age as what you said “younger people” its the same or maybe worse. You know, most car enthusiast lingers to nostalgia, that back then cars are much better and they would defend that nostalgia to the hilt. So unless you do have a concrete evidence of what you saying, im just gonna say the level would be the same.
The real question: Do you want to keep driving it? I'm betting the answer is yes.
as much as im a Doug guy. This video earned a sub. I like how you actually talk about true driving dynamics
Amen
The understeer was an important choice that GM made. It's much easier to control than oversteer.
Thanks for the honest review. Too many fanboy " it's the great car ever!" reviews out there.
Check his review with it on the track😂🤣😂🤣 he take all this back. He said it was incredible
Keep in mind the factory left a ton of alignment adjustments. One of the mags did there own alignment and took huge amounts of time off
these things are only 60,000. No complaints from me. Take the badges off and the average person thinks it’s a Ferrari
That is… if u can find one not effected by inflation and a 20-40k mark up
Supposedly the Z06 is supposed to rev a lot higher. It probably won’t have as much understeer either
Designed for one thing, cruising the backroads of Kentucky doing samplings of whiskey then going to play some golf. For that task, it is perfect.
People call it poor man’s super car. I take that as a compliant. Can’t wait to get mine!
The understeer was intentional by GM. A little camber adjustment fixes that issue.
Love the intros. Keep up the great work.
Cc
To quote Jeremy Clarkson (again): It’s much better to have a manual when you are driving on a track for fun. Because then you are in charge and you have more control. But at all other times, a car with a manual gearbox is like a television with no remote control. A damn nuisance.
(Jeremy Clarkson 2014)
(www.topgear.com/car-news/jeremy-clarkson/clarkson-manual-gearboxes)
If you don’t like the steering review the modes available for the street and pick one as for the manual the DCT is two manuals with electronic clutches and with without the paddles the DCTs are faster then any stick you can find. The understeer is for the street so you don’t find the nearest tree because you really aren’t that good a driver!
The dealers can adjust the offset and camber for track and the under steer issue is resolved
I can't wait until the Z06!!!
That will be awesome but have you hard of the new package “ZORA” it will have a 1000hp and awd!!!
*heard
James sitting by himself in the corvette “and I’m James!”
love your reviews but i think you need more time in the vette and the ability to modify it as gm suggests for an advanced driver. speed phenom actually bought a car (seemingly an unbiased ford guy) and tracks, road trips, etc and has way better feedback than what you guys are offering. I get it, you have to be entertaining and are fishing for subs but a day or two with someone elses car isn't sufficient. Speed phenom has such a great format and tracks the heck out of his cars and street drives every day, he needs more subs.
Totally agree.
No real person will be driving that way on the street. Which is why the car was engineered to be safe on the road for the maximum amount of drivers who may have never owned a performance car like this before. The Z06 and ZR1 will be engineered with higher levels of performance.
7:19 Understeer - it’s the driver not ready for a 90* apex. Good lord, it’s a mid engine not comparable to front engine.
Can we just appreciate how nice the interior is compared to older Corvettes?
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I can!! It's great!!
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I clicked right away 😂 this is a big one.
Yes!!! My boys finally got their hands on the new C8! I was waiting for this episode!
Thanks for your reviews! Y’all are one of the main 3 auto review channels I watch constantly! I would like to see a review or comparison to the C7 in which I think is the better looking vette’s! Keep up the great work guys!
What is crazy.. Is the 991.2 GT3 lapped the Nurburgring in 7:12.. conducted by Porsche. The C7 corvette zo6 lapped it in 7:13.. with a manual. FOR FRACTION OF THE COST OF A PORSCHE. I would say the corvette is an American supercar and something special for the average person who doesn’t have $250-300k to spend on a car. Now it looks like a proper supercar. Kudos chevy. Kudos. Only drawback is the redline at 6k.
You guys should borrow another, and take it to a Chevrolet dealership and have them do the track suspension alignment to it... that dials out all of the understeer.
"Im a little dog with the goggles" lol
Great review as always...unfortunate about the understeer. I'm curious now to see how exactly the Z06 will perform.
Wow, you guys give me everything I want out of a car review!
Never change ❤️
Instead of complaining that the car understeers too much, you could take the corners like 2-3 mph slower than you are and problem solved?
Perhaps you are taking the corner at the speed that you shouldn't be?
This car is so powerful and fast it doesn’t need to be a manual. That’s how chad like Chevy is.
Corrects him “what is happening?????!!” 😂😂😂😂😂
When he said Camaro instead of CORVETTE!!!
Zora and ZR1 yet to come... I guess C8 Grand Sport will be awesome!
Thought a super car was based on performance not the looks. Lol. 2019 zr1 is a super car.
sure, then just don't call it supercar. call it looky car. and it's fast ... enough, to not be embarrassing, women won't know or care about the difference, and I won't either. I´d kill myself with the supercar.
I love my 2020 Corvette stingray spider with 3LT Z-51 package and I had fun reviewing it on my TH-cam channel 😃
I mean it is a car meant for a track, I don't expect the tightest of street turning. It just means don't go into corners like a wild man and you're fine.
It's the Performance Car Bargain of the Decade.
I still love that I know every single freaking road that they are on LOL
Cacao Scotti In Canada
@Cacao Scotti West of the GTA. There are so many amazing borderline country roads that are perfectly paved. These are basically five minutes away from me
Bell School Line looks like on the one road
cliche corner? lol
Wats the name of the street I live in gta and would like to check them out?
That intro lmaoo
Watch out, Ferrari and Lamborghini! If this thing can already tag along with R8s and 992s and not look or be out of place, then the NATURALLY-ASPIRATED 5.5 flat-plane-crank V8 and scalpel precision in the Z06 will certainly give them a run for their money. I can't wait for that review to come. Great job, guys!
It’s under 100k. It looks cool. It can go fast. That’s all I care about.