(VOLUME FIXED) Declination Loupes: Designs for Vision vs LumaDent
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- Sorry for the crummy volume. Forgot to use my Lapel Mic. I re-compiled the video with the volume cranked. Background hum, but hopefully bearable. Don't have it in me to re-record. Sorry.
Designs for Vision Declination Loupes (You'll need to contact them):
www.designsforvision.com/inde...
LED DayLite® WireLessIR HDi
www.designsforvision.com/Dent...
LumaDent ErgoPrism:
lumadent.com/ergoprism
LumaDent airLUX:
lumadent.com/airlux.html
Z Shield Flex:
zshield.com/collections/shiel...
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Thank you for the information!! Been looking for the right loupes to purchase for my wife and I'm glad i came across all the points you raised before choosing.
Great comparison with some really insightful observations. Thank you Barron!
Happy if it helps!
That is such a good point about the face shield not protecting properly with the inclination loupes. In school we never wore shields pre-COVID-19 but after seeing how much splash-back actually gets on the shield, I will always properly wear one. I’m definitely gonna look into Z shield.
Thank you for making it easy for me to decide.
That shield is awesome 😍
Great video Baron! I did not know DFV had anything like this. Those look heavy! I'm still learning my Ergoprisms, but I love the weight.
Appreciate the thorough review. Really helpful!
As always , very informative, very concise and very scientific. As you asked for suggestions for other videos, I would like to suggest a video for update on 3 D printing machines and resins.
Great video Dr. Grutter! I'm LumaDent's Texas sales rep and will be sharing your video with customers who would like an honest review from a current ErgoPrism user. Also, LumaDent does have an attachment that will allow you to use the LumaDent wireless light system on your DFV loupe. It is a custom mount that is $30 plus shipping cost.
Nice! I definitely need that. My DFV loops are supposed to be my backup, but i was just thinking today that if my EPs go down, I'm screwed. 😬 Now if only I can remember to have my OM call to order some tomorrow. Lol Thanks, Eric!
Thank you for this video, very helpful!!!
Very informative 👏. Thanks!!
3d printing your own mounting brackets is pretty cool lol thanks for the review
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for taking the time to do this! If you could share your thoughts on the eye zoom I would love to hear about it. I was strongly considering the eye zoom until I came across the ergoprism.
They're great. Really did like them, but decided to use them last week to see if I could visualize a broken component in an implant (I didn't). I felt like I was voluntarily sacrificing my neck for my patient by wearing them.
I'm happy to provide my time, but not my health. Probably sounds lame, but that is seriously what is going through my head when I drop my chin to my chest to look through them.
@@bgrutterdds Thank you.
You are awesome sir. Love from Pakistan
Happy to help!
Hey Baron, thank you for the review. You’ve mentioned using the loops for surgery. As a perio I’m interested in type of Sx you used the loops for and your impressions. Thank you
Follow-up to the video, I use the LumaDent 5x for everything. Exams, Anesthetic, Restorative, Endo, and Surgery. Surgery for me includes extractions, implants, sinus lifts, bone grafting, and the occasional soft tissue augmentation (admittedly not my strength).
Thanks for the great video. Which Z-shield did you get? I see one called Z-Shield Flex and one called Z-Shield Wrap on their website that both look exactly like what you had in the video.
Flex. Thanks for the reminder to add the link. The Wrap might be great, but I haven't tried it. The biggest difference is that it has a more drastic curvature, protecting the sides of your face. I don't really see the value in what we do, though maybe my assistant might bump into it less frequently. As it stands, it gets bumped once every 3days or so. Not really something I even think of, aside from this moment as I compare the two. I have one for each op. Maybe but one of each and see which you prefer. 🤷
With the Z shield and loupes, any issues with the light reflecting back into your eyes from the shield?
With these loupes, my eyes are unprotected from beneath. Very rarely is there a reflection. Only when I put myself into an awkward position.
Great video!! Thanks.. Does it get difficult to work on the lower posteriors with the declination loupes?
I have not had any issues. I still cheat at times, but no more than regular Loupes.
@@bgrutterdds Thank you for the reply.
Thank you Dr. Baron for a very resourceful video. I am a D1 student in my second semester, wanted to know if you Would recommend the lumadent loupes for someone that is just starting their dental career. I had just purchased regular loupes from Q topics with a 4.5x magnification, I still see myself bending my neck down. Also just want to confirm if these are the Lumadent ErgoPrism loupes.
Now designs for vision just released their infinity VUE loupes, which might have some similar characteristics to the lumadent ergo prisms in regards to the declination angle but the downside is that the highest magnification goes up to 3.5x. Thank you for your time.
Everything you said is correct. I think it's perfectly reasonable to get proper declination loupes, now. I wouldn't wait. I WOULD suggest doing oral surgery without them, and perhaps any Ortho you get to do. That way you are comfortable in using direct vision if that's ever needed. And those two areas benefit most by large visual field and benefit least from high detail, zoom. For you, I would also consider Andau. Nearly identical to ErgoPrisms, but higher magnification and better/brighter light. You don't need the higher Mag (stick with 5x) but the brighter light would be good. That MIGHT even be cheaper. That said, I really like Lumadent and don't think you can go wrong.
@@bgrutterdds I appreciate the quick and sincere response Dr. Baron. Thank you for your notes, I'll definitely look into them as well as research about Andau. I have purchased my light from Ultralight optics, and I can surely say they are quite powerful and long lasting, and easy to set up on most brands of loupes. Thank you again for your time.
What is the declination angle on the lumadent loupes, is it close to 90 degrees? Thank you for your time
I think it's closer to 60°, but I'm not sure. You don't want 90°, or you'd have to tip your head back to keep from looking at your crotch.
Great video. How are these compare to panorama loupes from DFV? Thanks
Panorama is just a new version of the old direct view Approach. I only want Declination and my neck is happier for it.
Excellent video! I have a question, although not related to loupes. You mentioned that you do not do endo's on molar teeth, can I know the reason for this? You bring up many good points in this video that I've never heard in any other video btw, good job!
Just not worth the surprise potential for me. I don't do them daily, so they end up being too hard to schedule effectively: late or wasted time. And I don't really enjoy it.
@@bgrutterdds Makes sense. The ones I see done by regular DDS's have a high percentage of failure anyways, so why not refer them to endo from the beginning? :)
Great review! I’m going to wait for the Lumadent 6.0 before making the switch. Also check out the DFV Saddle nose bridge and their mini wireless light, both work well for me.
Will do! So silly the reps have literally ZERO advice for me.
@@bgrutterdds Have you used either of these loupes for larger surgical cases?
Yep. Full arch implants, 3rds, FM Extractions. All good. Standing and sitting.
@@bgrutterdds Thanks for making this video. I learned so much. Give a look into Andau Medical. They Rep Admetec Ergo loupes. Similar but they have a better price and they weigh less. Feel free to send a message if you have any questions.
Yes, I've had probably 6 or 7 people reach out to me about my thoughts on the Andau Loupes. I've not yet seen them. Though the website is intriguing. I'm not sure how to contact you, directly.
Great video. Do you think 6x ergo lumadent would be equivalent to approx 4.5x regular loupes ? Also how about field of vision? How much do you see thru your 5x ergo?
I think your estimation is good. I would have to look to remember, but I think it's a few teeth at a time. Sextant perhaps. Maybe more. Comment again next week when I'm off vacation and I'll check 😉
@bgrutterdds hahaha alright! I will ping you here again later ! Enjoy your vacay!
Back from vacay?
Looks like DFV has aerosol protection loupes. It’s basically a silicone eyecup that has protection around the whole eye
Got a link? Sounds crazy, but I'm certainly curious.
Do you recommend ergo loupes for extraction and implants?
Yep. I wear them for everything.
Nice video Baron. I want to know your opinion about rose micro solutions loupes, thank you
I used a pair of 4x for a couple years. They served a purpose. But the frames break down pretty quickly. Though they might have more durable ones with better lenses that don't degrade.
Personally, not what I would recommend other than as a backup.
Anyone knows the founder of aligners?
I wonder if u still use the lumadent and has it really made a difference in neck pain and are they worth the price difference between it and normal loupes
I still use them. My neck has zero issues. Very pleased. If you want more magnification, look to Andau.
@bgrutterdds thank u so much for ur reply but the most important question that I have is are they worth the price difference and do u ever feel like u need more magnification
100% worth the price. I love them. I do, however, consider getting the 7.2x Andau. Someday...
I have the eyezoom by orascoptic and I have to say I don't feel any pain to my nec, but I'm curious to try these one if they come to europe
I didn't either. Generally. Only LONG procedures. I did it to protect long-term.
@@bgrutterdds personally i feel that in order to work h12 a microscope is a better choice. Of course it costs much more
That's kinda like saying that I personally feel a Ferrari is faster on that track than a Cadillac. Lol. I've used microscopes. Great for posture. But expensive and inconvenient IMO. Declination Loupes nearly match the posture without the need to move a massive device. Or shell out all that cash.
@@bgrutterdds never used a microscope so i can’t really say. In the end i think it’s a Matter of preference
Looking at the andua loupes - are you using them for all your surgeries ?
I don't have the Andau. But I do use my ErgoPrisms for surgery.
Baron Grutter DDS sorry that’s what I meant . Finding your self able to use them easily for cases that are not guided as well? Great review . I tried the Lumadent at AAP and loved them although they don’t work with my bilumix light
Yeah, don't have issues with the loupes at all. I do wish the light was brighter. Perhaps the Andau light would be Superior. Or a traditional corded light from Lumadent which have historically been amazing.
@@bgrutterdds I have the ergoprisms and Lumadent’s lights. I took the plunge and bought both their wireless and UniLUX corded lights (the one with the magnet). Love the corded light on my Ergoprisms and the wireless on my traditional back-ups (use them for Pedo) . The on/off switch on the corded light is pretty slick. The light intensity is significantly different between their wireless and wired lights (understandable). Thanks for a great review!
Good to know. Thanks. I'll keep the UniLUX in mind.
Would you recommend lumadent for a hygienist?
And would you recommend 5.0x ErgoPrism for a hygienist? (Still in hygiene school and I have 3x from orascoptics)
I would probably stick with 4x for Hygiene. Maybe 3.5x. Lumadent light is nice, but I'm not super impressed with battery life. You'll be swapping batteries (it comes with two) each lunch. I do like it. Just don't love it. I would also look into Andau, if only for their similar, but better light.
What ear protection you wear?
I'm still working on that. I assume you mean like custom ear plugs. I've printed some before. Really wasn't to have an audiologist make some custom ones.
@@bgrutterdds Highly recommend it. I love the ones my Audiologist made. They are connected with a clear cord and I can still hear and talk to my patient. The drill and Dryshield are so much quieter now! only $200
Let me know if you want to sell Orascoptic Eyezoom
Thanks, but I'll probably hold onto them.
Sounds good, thank you for the informative video. Indeed it’s good for the posture and save back