Fooled most people, but I smelled "cult leader" from a mile away. No one can be beloved by all without compulsion and as with Marika, the theme of the game is a deconstruction of the cliche that beauty and goodness are synonymous.
Yeah I always got the impression that he was able to get all these massive 'kind' things done (offering refuge, Haligtree, the needle etc.) because his influence was so strong that he could make people work endlessly or do horrific things & still never write or say a bad word about him - add in how Melania speaks about him, & then you've got the most 'fearsome' demigod as the one that will always have an ultra-loyal cult that does exactly as he says - I was definitely suspicious haha I'm glad the DLC didn't have a _"Miquella was corrupted by an Outer God or some Elden Satan that we just introduced"_ or something external that changed or stopped his plans - if the rot nerfed Miquella after it got to Malenia _and_ Radahn already, I might've been mad lol
@@jaycielle There's an irony that just before this I watched GirlNextGondor's video on Sauron before the Lord of the Rings. When he was a still a fair, golden haired eternal young adult with great technical skill in magic and whose intention was to bring peace to Middle Earth. One who decided on a plan to do it was to control the heart and minds of people...with a magic golden Ring. Similar goals, similar ends.
I know right?! I was taking in information about him throughout the entire game and that was all I got from him! He's a Cult Leader and his First Member/Victim was his own TWIN Melania?!!! Even more horrifying is that Miquella is stuck in a childlike body, with the ability to charm people, so Sympathy points are through the roof from everyone that cares for him. Also, FREE MY MAN MOGH, HE A VICTIM!!!😭😭😭 Edit: I misspelled Mogh's name lol!
@@arlyconpeeps5808 I kind of wish we knew who Mohg was. Now we have to rethink Mohg's illusion in the sewers guarding the passage to the Three Fingers. Given that is was made with golden light, aka Erd Tree energy, Mohg might have been as loyal as Morgott toward the Order originally. After all in his cutscene, Morgott doesn't list his brother as one of the traitors to the Golden Order
Honestly I felt like most people probably had an idea Miquella was up to some shady shit. No pun intended. There just wasn't any clear evidence until now.
In her dreams, Melania must still see her brother, by her side; only in her dreams was Miquella ever truly by her side. She deserved better. Maybe there was a time Miquella truly loved his sister, but how can someone who weaponises love truly, sincerely, without artifice or lie every love someone else.
when miquella referred malenia as his loyal blade instead of beloved sister means he's just using her as a tool. Meanwhile he refers radahn as lord brother.
Tarnished: My apologies Miquella... but my heart and soul belong to someone else. I swore an oath to become her lord, her consort eternal, as we travel hand-in-hand down the dark path of the night as she brings about the Age of Stars. *_Pulls out Darkmoon Greatsword_* A thousand-year voyage under the wisdom of the Darkmoon... I will not allow anyone to impede our coming journey... not even _you._
I didn't trust Miquella the second I learned he had the power to force affection. And that was WAY before the DLC came out. Some people are fr just gullible lmao
Spoilers Personally, I think Miquella needed us the Tarnished to kill Radahn to set his soul free. His body had been Rotted along with his mind; so Miquella waited for us, in our quest to become elden lord, to kill Radahn, get his Remembrance which was then returned to the Erdtree. For someone as skilled in the Golden Order, it was be simple for Miquella to just pluck that soul back out.
EDIT: Ignore me Radahn is required to start the DLC. Wasn't aware. @@n0hesitati0n15 Are you sure? I'm fairly certain you can access the DLC without killing Radahn though. All you need to do is kill Mohg afaik, which is easily accessible via Varre well before most people would fight Radahn.
There is something in how Miquella reach the shadow realm, I think. Mohg, when you face him, complain about the great number of sacrifices done before Miquella's body, to awaken him, without success. But in the first moment of the DLC trailer, you see Miquella among blood and corpses. opening the way to the Shadow real. Did Miquella fooled Mohg for the blood sacrifices, to open a way to the shadow realm?
The golden armor worn by Radahn in his younger years. Proudly adorned with heroic red accents, it is fitting attire for a lion. When Malenia, Blade of Miquella, let the rotflower blossom in Aeonia, Radahn heard a murmur in his ear- "Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort."
Nobody else is talking about this...but it's entirely clear to me that Miquella had Malenia bewitched as well. Plus, Ranni wanted to shed her empyrean flesh and got rid of her great rune...likely because she realized Miquella could do this shit. Plus Rykard said fuck it...I'mma let the snake eat me and outlive this crap.
While I don’t fully agree with you, I do find the idea of Miquella being such a threat that the other demigods had to use loopholes just to get the hell away from him cool and really a testament as to how threatening he was. The demigods are all threatening in their own way, but Miquella is the only one I’d say truly feels “Marika-level” in terms of dangerousness.
You might have a point. I think Ranni and Miquella were ultimately playing chess against each other to see who could become a God first. Hopefully someone makes a lore video about it one day.
@@grossartusThat was the original theory. Folks even 2 years ago were pointing towards him brainwashing everyone and using the branch to support their argument.
Something i find interesting that parallels miquella following marikas footsteps is the shaman village where marika is from. There are hints in the game such as the ghost near the tooth whip and the tooth whip jtem description that portrays the shamans as hated and a people experiencing some kind of religiously motivated genocide not only that but think where you find the whip... In the jar village the half formed jars upclose look very feminine I'm wondering if the jar ppl are the shaman/ neumans stuffed in. This means marikas cleansing is no different from what happened to her people continuing an ever long cycle of genocide based around religion. What do you think miquellas order would be like i think leda is a good example, kill all those who oppose this being whose literal power is brainwashing ppl into loving him. I imagine it would be the same maybe for all those who followed the golden order.
Woahhh you make great points. The history of Elden ring is so?? Cyclical. Discover, divide, conquer those who won’t fall in line, repeat. I could totally see Marika coming from a persecuted people , it would also explain why she seemed so keen and willing to conquer and genocide whoever & whatever, to get what she wanted. Still the base game hints at the Numen being the Nox, or maybe ancestors of the Nox knowing that the ants down in the caves around Noxtella drop Numen runes. So I do wonder how that would tie into the Shamans. I can’t remember if the Noxian architecture is similar to Leyndell’s or not but maybe that could be a hint to where the Noxian (Numen , I believe) people & society sit on the timeline. We know that the Carians descended from the mountain top astrologers but I don’t recall them specifically saying that for the Nox? Maybe the Shamans are their predecessors, if you think about it, it could tie together. The Nox were known for their “blasphemous” alchemies and creations, and reflecting real world history, before science was more fully understood people saw it to be sorcery. Maybe the shamans were doing their own practices of alchemies and sciences which were mistaken for blasphemous sorceries against whatever the current order was at the time, leading to persecution. Much is up to interpretation of course, just brainstorming!
@@Scweetoofmarika is for certain from the shaman village if you look at the 2 (or maybe 3) items you obtain there. You get a minor erd tree incantation. And a golden braid that reads “Marika bathed her village in gold not that anyone was there to heal”
There’s gotta be a reason Radhan was keeping the stars at bay to Miquella’s advantage, keeping Ranni’s ever-advancing plans for the dark moon era from progressing too far during Miquella’s slumber or absence
But Radahn stopping the stars was also a disadvantage to miquella. The eclipse couldn't occur because radahn said "if you move you gay" to the sky. And if Radahn was on Miq's side, then what was the purpose of Miquella waging a crusade to Redmane Castle? I think at first Miquella had Radahn cornered in a way, forcing him to agree to the vow. Then when the shattering occured, immediately turned against the forced deal. Malenia was then sent to force Radahn to comply with the vow. Her whispering those words to Radahn was, I think a form of mockery. Atleast thats hoe it sounded
@@sheeeshmaster6418 it’s questionable, for sure. But then again, Miquella maybe was only trying to get Godwin out of the way, if he could not quell dearhblight with the eclipse. So either way, he wins there too.
Not sure if this is true, but I read that somewhere in the DLC, you find that Radahn apparently thought Ranni would either become a puppet of the Golden Order, or be killed by it, so he halted the stars to freeze her destiny to keep her alive and free. Which would also mean he learned gravity magic just to protect his sister. If that's true, that leads me to believe the reason he turned Miquella down was because he felt his duty was to protect his immediate family. Too bad Miquella didn't take 'no' for an answer...
@sheeeshmaster6418 Radahn never agreed to it. Miquella made the promise himself without Radahn and the moment the scarletnrot got him Miquella was able to touch his soul and bewitch him to control him. Radahn was likely too strong alive to be bewitched so Miquella sent his sister on a suicide mission just to nuke Radahn with scarlet rot.
I like to think that the boss battle between us with Radahn and Miquella was like " I bust my ass to become an Elden Lord. There's no way I going to give up my throne that easily."
I think Ranni is the greatest tactician of the demigods (shoutout Morgott too since he never lost Leyndell), but Miquella is clearly the best strategist. He relied on one simple tactic: spam manipulation until he gets what he wants, but the larger intrigue he plays is truly brilliant. Just the thought that he only wanted to properly kill Godwyn to make his plans less annoying, and that he sent his sister to her death, either just to weaken her enough to allow Mogh to "kidnap" him, or to ensure that her and Radahn's fight ended in mutual destruction to advance his plans overall, it all just shows how much he took after his mother. Makes me wonder if he knew more about Radagon than Radagon knew about himself.
As i said on another video "it's a testement to from's writing ability that within the span of a single release and maybe 2-3 days miquella went from being perceived as a kind hearted soul trying to make a better world yet a victim of it, into the most corrupted, vile, twisted demigod of the lot who would make the world his victim if it meant his ambition was done"
Awesome video man but let me throw this wild one at you Radahn was supposed to take Miquella as his promised consort but Radahn didn't want to do that cause well it's his fate to become Miquella consort and well he wanted to be a general so he conquered the stars to stop his fate so he could continue to be a general and Miquella sent Malenia get him to release the stars and Radahn said no and we see what happens
I can see this happening too. Radahn might have figured out that being puppeteered by Miquella for 1,000 years was a horrible fate. Dude was just trying to save himself.
I'm not kidding when i say that this theory truly was the closest to landing to the eventual truth of the dlc and awesomely early. Great work!! I have to say that, initially, i was dissapointed that we didn't get the "appropriate" ending for the main game, with a miquellan mending rune. But it seems now that I too was one the fooled ones. We finally know what miquella did for his supposed "loved ones" in reality.. (The albinaurics and the haligtree pilgrimage, the entrapment of malenia and the usurpation of her possible fate, the enchantment of mohg and even some theories suggest, that he may be implicated both in the fall of Renalla and the Carians and the Night of the Black Knives..etc.). With some of the new information in the dlc, he might have succeded in also halting Ranni's destiny, but for the tarnished one's involvement, in my opinion. Would love to see something like that investigated by you or any theorists for reall!!
But more to the point you were trying to make, what if Malenia doesn't attack the Tarnished because she's being more careful? She wouldn't have needed to with Radahn, but she knows she only has one more bloom with us. She could have absolutely been more reckless and ambitious than she is when we meet her
Miquella was smart, and the cards were in his favour. Rykard and Ranni both commit blasphemy against the golden order betraying the order long before Miquella and Malenia, naturally removing them from the throne. Mogh, Morgott and Messmer were shun due to being either Omen or corrupted by outer powers and were only a threat against Miquella in later dates as they all served their purpose. Morgott defended the capital and his mother from any outside threat, Mohg was committed to Miquella and the outer god the formless mother and Messmer banished by Marika herself king long before the war had started, potentially to stand in Miquella’s way because she wanted the tarnished to drag the order down and replace it. Godwyn and Godrick both mirrors of each other Godwyn was powerful, we didn’t know much about him other than he befriended Plasidusax and bore the golden order and ancient dragon incantations also being the first born you would assume he held authority over his siblings but he was murdered for what purpose? To possibly push Marika to break the Elden ring? Or was it just a plot so Ranni could abandon her body and keep her soul in exchange for Godwyns soul, leaving his body to rot forever, his purpose may have been free Ranni and become a new form of living in death. Godrick on the other hand, was a runt and believed to be a great grandson of Marika and grandson of Godwyn but over time his blood became diluted and mixed so his godhood was never taken serious leaving him as a stepping stone for the chosen tarnished. This leaves Rahdan…”promised consort Rahdan” leading me to believe that Miquella was promised by Rahdan that he would be his consort and sent Malenia to defeat him with the intention that they would lose, giving Mohg time to remove Miquella and take him to the shadow realm where Miquella was able to bring Rahdans soul back into his prime body, Malenia was an empearyn, making her unworthy of being a consort. This is interesting to me I know I’m not correct on all of this but this is my version of the story being told and I picked the Ranni ending due to it abandoning the golden order and setting in motion the future of the lands in between, again though lands in between the eternal city, Farum azula, Shadow realm and the badlands
i never noticed that she whispers in radahns ear right before she blooms. now with the quote from radahns armor in the dlc i actually paid attention to her mouth.
This actually made me think of something and I would like to say that I believe Miquella did everything once he got kidnapped by Mogh. Let me break it down really quickly because it doesn't make sense when you look at it in a way that he planned everything from the start. So let's say from the beginning from the memory we see at the end of the DLC he asked Radahn to be his consort. Now that could have played out two ways One he could have agreed to be his consort or he could have said no. I'm more on the belief that Radahn would say no to his very underage young sibling. It appeared that he wasn't really the type to follow orders and would do things his own way even going as far as stopping the stars to stop the intervention of the outer gods. So this is most likely why both Miquella and Melania would leave they wanted to make a new order and bring peace to the lands in between. They also was the most sickly out of their siblings and this makes a lot of sense because it appears when we go to the second tree in their actual fortress that they had a full plan at the time He was even in his own cocoon harnessing the power of the tree to try and make himself reach godhood. Now we get the battle between his sister and his brother and during that time he is kidnapped by Mogh. And I don't think there is any kindness between the two because you have to remember Mogh basically killed him. And most likely tried multiple ways to make him grow* You can even see this in a dialog about all the bodies and blood and this makes sense of why eventually through all that suffering he would go to the lands of shadows. Cuz when we look at the brutalness of this land that DLC is in and also the constant suffering of the individuals within the land it does make sense that he would end up here or some type of gateway would open up to this land. The only thing that barbers me slightly is the point that we touch their hand to go into the world which makes me believe this is some type of police that exists in a different realm and he had access to it because of his powers. Now looking back at the DLC zone I like to point out something anybody notice the really weird veil over the entire zone. I think the reason why this is here is two phones one to protect it from the rest of the realm that they're in almost like a blanket of light and also to show a very weird concept. It almost reminds me of blanket fort that you'll see a lot of kids make. It's actually very reminiscent of one of those if you ever played the plague game you can see one of those in the younger brother's room as well. Almost like a canopy where children would go usually with a light or if you didn't have one underneath a blanket with a light in this reminded me so much of that. And it would make sense because he is someone who has been euthanized for his entire life and he would still have the mind of a child in some aspects especially since everyone treated him like a child. It would make sense as of why we see that weird section of the map we're you can see the darkness reaching down into the area. So it would make sense that when he arrived there technically a child of light people would worship him not only because of his magnetic appeal that was part of his power but because of what he represented in that area. Also in this land it appears that he most likely grew up and was able to be away from the curse that affected him his whole life. Harnessing his powers and reaching at one point godhood. Now I believe when he got here he completely wanted to break away from the golden order and did not want to be dependent on the greater will. But there are a lot of similarities that even if he did he still kind of want with the cycle his parents did. It shouldn't fall onto anyone noticed that he looks very similar to his mother and Radahn looks very similar to their father. I have no doubt in my mind that they would have ruled the same way their parents did. With one being underneath the influence of the other, because remember his mother did the same thing to his father summoning him to her side even when it seemed like he didn't want too. She made him from a part of her soul, the only difference here was he summoned his brother's soul back to his body once he remade the body from the person who killed him in the first place. So this makes sense that this would happen. And lastly as we travel through the lands we see all of his crosses. We see that he leaves a part of himself behind to become more and more God like even his heart at one point. What we are seeing here is a God that has no problem with controlling people for the greater good No longer being pulled by the greater will but that of his own beliefs. So in reality I believe he gaved into all of the names that he was told his whole life starting with the land of shadows to grain harmony and peace there first and most likely then going to the lands in between if left is his own free will. This would mean that from the time he was kidnapped everything was put on survival mode, he realized that he would never be safe that he would never be strong enough to be able to do what needed to be done. The last hope most likely was their fortress and him trying to reach the point of godhood to break away from the greater will and everything else while trying to keep everyone alive. It just didn't work like that and I think it might have just broke something inhale making him go to the last point which was sacrificing everything that made him who he was originally to become something new that had a chance of breaking the cycle. Sadly that wasn't the case because he was doing the exact same thing only with a different narrative.
Good theory but we know that mogh got charmed. According to his follower that we meet on the dlc when mogh first met him, him(the follower) sensed something bad and tried to attack miquela but miquela toyed with him and beat him effortlessly. After that meeting mogh kidnapped miquela. Miquela is not the defenseless child people think he is.
Something is not right in the story development of this DLC. There was absolutely no foreshadowing of Miquella’s infatuation with Radahn. That came out of nowhere.
True, but this way it mirrors Guts and Griffith even more. One thing he couldnt control or own, an obsession to pursue for ages and ages. And even when he does get him eventually... its a meat puppet, made in his image and stuffed with his soul after spending who knows how long with rotting mind and in pain. Miquella is sadist to biggest degree. A true yandere.
Maybe Malenia just didn't care. At worst, she had served a purpose she had chosen to herself, cursed that she was. She defeated every single enemy single-handendly and had never known defeat, all in the name of love. And at best, she helped breed a new God who would usher a new age of sanctity and holiness into the world. What more could she ask for?
Miquella says, "If we honor our part of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort" and Radahn is called the Promised Consort. I don't believe Radahn rejected him AT ALL. By saying if we honor our part of the vow inplying that there was already at least one promise made between them and the only question was if both would hold up their end of the deal. Then by him being the PROMISED consort, i believe the implication is that he MADE that promise.
spoiler you fiind out later through someones quest line that he is bringing him back. Freya stated that his soul was to have a endless rest, but is being brough "back". Also in that part of the quest teir (another npc) He finds out Miquellas true plans for the corpse of Mogh. So I dont think He had it all planned out prior to being essentially kidnapped, and killed (so to speak) which gave him access to the shadowlands. Just like his cousin Ranni' he shedded his mortal coils in the lands between, to bridge the worlds or dimensions together. Allowing the rejected Redmane warrior. Each NPC served under a Previous demigod that we killed in the OG. a redmane warrior, a failed follower of mogh. A trader who accepts the Brood as friendly (Malenia) etc etc. Just my 2 cents though.
It's worth noting that even without Miquella's influence over them, Mohg was still a deranged lunatic, Radhan a Golden Order fanatic, and Malenia a victory-obsessed, terminally-ill valkyrie. Miquella being able compel affection doesn't mean he can literally mind control anybody--their actions are still their own, he just gives their actions motivation
My boy dropped almost everything about himself by the end to the point that still considering himself "the kind" was a joke... Even his hugs are fatal by then, however the worst thing about miquella the slime is that I still couldn't fight godwyn.
I feel like the dlc just made miquella someone that wanted a candy, was told no and he just had the biggest whim and he HAD to have it. I expected more of miquella in the dlc because i do believe he loved others and wanted peace but he literally abandoned everything just to have Radahn idk he was the biggest inventor and gave a lot of creatures a home and could fight the outer gods influence and he just abandoned it all... Maybe he never stopped being a kid
What I;m confused about is the ending of the first trailer. We see Miquella holding up his hand showing us the tree, and it no longer has sap...in game this never happens. Why include that?
What if marika's behind it all, think about it, the radogon final boss which was supposed to be marika as well was just a husk being controlled what if she was never improsoned after breaking the elden ring instead it was all part of her plan instead.
Jokes on you, I overanalyzed Miquella a while ago, and determined that The only Empyrian to have actively worked towards replacing and destroying the Golden Order the hard way can't be trusted. Im also one of, if not the only lunatic to believe he had an active role in the murder of Godwyn, to cause the Golden Orders downfall himself.
But why Miquella wanted Radahn to be his consort and not Mogh? Mogh was right there and willing for his dynasty. So strange to go in so much twists for ascending to godhood.
Radahn is a proven general and loved by his subjects the same as Miquella, this is my theory is that His two fingers told him that that was his chosen consort and I think Radahn rejected the two fingers like his sister and brother
Really? Wasnt the bewitching branch item description a good enough foreshadowing? Or the supposedly saved albinaurics that he sent to the eclipse shotel castle?
@@scionofchaoz YES! every description of Miquella refers to him with he/him pronouns. but he is androgynous, which is why people think he is a girl. the reason for all this is due to his curse of eternal childhood, prepubescent and all. he also has extremely long hair. so it makes sense, but it feels like nobody actually reads item descriptions. his other half of his being, St Trina, is his feminine aspect. something he threw away within the Shadowlands
Yeah but radahn and miwuella are not competing for the same thing. Miquella was an empyrean bound for godhood whereas the non empyreans can become lords at best.
The lore in this game is inconclusive, without people filling in gaps these videos would be short and uninteresting, they gave us lore on purpose that doesn't really add up.
Ngl but I kinda feel like there are alot of plot holes involving specifically Miquella, Radahn, and Mogh because essentially if we the Tranished didn't come along all of this planning would've gone to shit First with Miquella what was the point of him putting his body in the Halictree except to make it grow? Because during the moment Mogh kidnaps him he is really small and later bigger in Moghywn palace Second Radahn halting the stars affects Miquella's plans to a degree but also agreed to go along with Miquella? What's in it for Radahn? (I know Miquella can charm ppl but it would just straight up say that if Radahn was charmed) Last but not least Mogh, definitely got charmed by Miquella but if so why did he kidnap him? If Miquella was in control 100% I don't think he would allow Mogh to do what he did to his body which means maybe somehow either Miquella allowed Mogh to kidnap him (?) Or Miquella attempt to charm Mogh but it was already too late and Mogh's obsession or ambition only grew (Let me know and please make it make sense because I feel like for the most part a lot of misinformation is going around making things much harder to understand)
After closer analysis of the lore from various videos, I'm fully convinced our tarnished is Marika reborn and this is her ultimate getback. All her children are either following her footsteps and continuing the cycle or trying to maintain of what remains.
no. his other half of himself, St Trina, is his feminine aspect that visits people in their dreams, but Miquella is a boy. idk why there’s so much confusion on that lol
@candideoptimism8775 entities being split into two contrasting counter parts is only found in elden ring , it's pretty Spergy to expect people understand a universe with completely different laws of reality
I think people are giving Miquella too much hate, the only thing that came at the expense of Miquella getting his way was mohg, of whom wasn’t exactly a good guy to begin with. The true villain is Ranni, in order to get what she wanted she didn’t just kill somebody that was way better than mohg (godwyn) she destroyed his soul, which is more reprehensible. Plunging the world into chaos, making marika go mad destroying the Elden ring, making everyone else kill each other over trying to fix everything and also allowing the corruption of death to spread. All to get an ending of basically nothingness, anarchy and eternal darkness. Of which she used her now dead friends to achieve. While objectively Miquella healed and accepted the downtrodden and persecuted, while also wanting to build a kinder world, in a world of chaos making it much harder to achieve that goal. Yet people feel betrayed because they put all their stock into believing he was a victim of mohg, yet Miquella never acted like he was. He didn’t explicitly tell us, it was just conveyed that way. Of which doesn’t necessarily mean mohg didn’t still want to use Miquella but failed to do so and became his pawn. People act like he’s a villain because they THINK he takes advantage of people and they act like mohg is this poor victim that did no wrong and is completely innocent, and people desperately try to make out radahn is a victim too completely overlooking that they explicitly had an agreement. It just seems to me that despite how evil and morally bankrupt everyone else is the only person not allowed to try and take power is Miquella and somehow, despite the fact he tried to do it in a not as evil way he’s still somehow a bad guy. It’s like people are trying to hate for the sake of hating with all the misrepresenting, because he’s not exactly a complex character that is hard to understand. It’s also not like any of these theories of who Miquella “actually” is are true, they’re wildly speculative based on what people think and compare to different characters, we don’t have much to go on yet we objectively have lore stating how he is of which I’ll take over what people want to think he’s like.
-Miquella brainwashed mohg into his death, and is indirectly responsible for the actions of his blood knights across the lands as they are carrying out goals in the pursuit of the new dynasty -Miquella brainwashes every npc in the DLC to follow him blindly -Miquella either brainwashed or teamed up with malenia to attempt to kill radahn for his soul, which indirectly leads to the nuking of Caelid. Think about how many lives are fucked over because of that -Miquella's vision to create a loving world is vague at best, he could very well be attempting to remove free will or brainwash everyone to avoid any 'conflict' -Miquella mirrors Marika, ascend to godhood for what they presume is a greater world, but doing unspeakable acts to the current world to do so objectively an awful character morality wise.
He didn't fool shit. It's called piss poor writing. The base game literally said Radahn stopped the stars to protect Sellia. Malenia and Radahn fought over control. It's stated multiple times in game that the demigods fought each other for power because of the Great Rune corruption. Radahn's story was complete. Godwyn's story has no conclusion and you're delusional to say that. Miquella wanted to grant him a true death and the Finger Crone also says Godwyn should die a true death. There's buildup for Godwyn, none for RadahnxMiquella. The awful pairing feels like a Yaoi, reddit fantasy. Remember the strings of life Marika took from the corpse in the trailer? Godwyn is soulless, Miquella is bodilless. The whole purpose was to get his ideal consort giving his Relationship with Godwyn. Why not use these strings of life to reanimate Godwyn's body that is still alive, fix his appearance, since this is what Miquella's whole theme is about. Hell why not an eclipse that can regenerate a soul, it's a dark fantasy game. They fused mohg's body with radahn's soul, why would anything else be impossible? Some silly scene of Miquella isn't going to cut it. Item descriptions conveniently added in the DLC with no hints in the base game isn't going to cut it. It's completely plot holic. But of course people like you will say it makes sense to the lore. In the end whatever they do will make sense to the lore, it's their game, it's their story. That doesn't make it good. For myself and since the steam reviews show only a 60% positive review rate and you can't just outright bash such a large disparity and call us delusional, this DLC will not be considered canon for a very large number of us. - The Remembrance - NPC dialogue - Item descriptions That is the culmination of said "lore". I don't need more time to conclude how lazy the writing is. Kindly Miquella and General Radahn, with no foreshadowing in the base game, are simply put, afterthoughts by the devs. Malenia had whispered a prayer in Radahn's ear two years prior; now it was Miquella's promise? How convenient. Miquella wishes to usher in the Age of Compassion while admiring a war-obsessed demigod since childhood, and there's no hint of this in the extensive base game? How convenient. All the lore surrounding Miquella and Radahn, any explanation we may receive, is located SOLELY in the DLC, which is set after the established base game. How convenient. I love FromSoft, played all the Soulsborne games, and adored Elden Ring. I am a fan. This was just not very good; there's no need to get so incredibly defensive over it. I feel like I'm going to repeat myself, but Elden Ring was extremely lore-driven. You can't simply dismiss this. There was clear buildup and foreshadowing for Marika/Radagon in the base game. It's okay. It can be a good game but have a cheap storyline. I'm currently writing a novel, and it would feel super cheap to implement lore in such a lazy format three years later just so the current arc can make sense. All in all, Radahn x Miquella makes no sense without the added and forced shipping the DLC provides during certain questlines and with certain item descriptions. And despite that, the ending is just anticlimactic. Search TH-cam for hour-long analysis videos on Miquella, and we barely get an interaction after we finally face him? A short cutscene of him going "boohoo, I'm going to be a God"? Give me a break... It's lazy and unfinished.
Him having radahn as his consort is so weird to me as well. The base game talks about how Miquella Damn Near worshipped Godwyn and the Coming Eclipse. Godwyn’s story happens completely off screen and I figured with all the references to death knights in the DLC. It would’ve been a Hell Bent Miquella, doing whatever he could have, to Reincarnate Godwyn the Golden as his Consort. That Way we can fight an enemy at the end who was told to have Conquered the Dragons. It would’ve fight with the Lore.
I agree with parts of your point but I think that the DLC establishes that Miquella hates the roots of the Golden Order so completely that he would divest himself of everything in himself that represents it, and wouldn't pick the very personification of the Golden Order's champion in Godwyn to recreate it. Discovering Bonny Village and Bonny Gaol kinda sealed that idea to me. Radahn is spoken of having legendary kindness, and was the strongest of all the demigods after the Shattering. I think Miquella took Radahn as the best option to continue the path of starting an entirely new type of order, one that couldn't be possible if he'd resurrected Godwyn. Does it leave Godwyn's story unfinished? Yes. Does it rewrite alot of the Miquella/Malenia/Radahn dynamic that we know of from lore? Yes. But it's at least interesting if you think about it from the perspective of Miquella gave up entirely on everything Golden Order related, including Godwyn like Ranni gave up Blaidd, Iji, and Rykard in her own quest for a new order. The only difference is that if Miquella had chosen us as his Lord instead of Radahn, we'd be bringing about the Age of Compassion instead of stopping it.
I agree with you completely. however while I sip some copium, perhaps Miquella wanted Godwyn as his Lord, but then the Night of Black Knives happened and there was no hope of reviving a *completely killed* soul. so Miquella then saw the kindness of Radahn as well as his strength, and Radahn resisted his charms, which made Miquella only see him as even more worthy to be his Lord of Compassion. but you’re 1000% right, any new lore related to Miquella and Radahn was all shoehorned into this DLC as if die-hard lore fiends wouldn’t notice. honestly though, I was so pumped for Godwyn. I wished that Miquella would have come through the gate bearing Godwyn’s soul, something that should have been feasible in *whatever* is behind the Gate that allows Emperyons to become Gods. I would have loved to have fought prime Godwyn the Golden, and then Miquella hops on his back for phase two. shit, I would have even been happy if they still used Mohg’s corpse and Radahn’s’ Soul, and then in phase two Godwyn’s soul gets inserted into the Mohg/Radahn body, and then the red hair turns to gold as we fight Godwyn the Second Sun or some shit. idk man. literally anything would have been cooler and more consistent with base game lore
Wow I don't really know where to start because your comment has such angry energy and I'll probably just upset you more because I wholeheartedly disagree. A couple of points: The reviews are at 60% because people like you review bombed it, yikes. I don't think this is fair to bring up. With critics it has 95% positive reviews... They didn't foreshadow miquella by the way? Did you do the optional halligtree area at all? You claim to have played the game and read the item descriptions right? Maybe you need a second playthough 😂 I guess if I could say anything in short it's that I too am writing a novel, but I happened to like the story. You're entitled to dislike it but just don't expect a large portion of the community to agree and jump on your hate train. I have a feeling what happened here is that you're disappointed because your headcannon about Godwin didn't get written because you seem like an imaginative person who gets invested in stories. Try being more open minded about this and giving it another shot otherwise you'll just hate this forever. You're seriously thinking this masterpiece of a DLC shouldn't be cannon? I'm sorry that's delulu
@blobymcblobface Uh huh. In due time my opinion will be shared amongst the majority. You'll see. Just let the hype die down. PS. 60% of who? People who purchased the DLC i.e your everyday player. That's worth more than any " critic " . Elden Ring has 96%. Let that sink in. You did not read what I wrote down, I never said " Miquella wasn't foreshadowed " ... I don't know where you got that from.
I don’t know how long you’ve been unemployed, but some people still have jobs and can’t spend the entire week playing the DLC. I wish when people actually had brains and didn’t post spoilers within days of the DLC coming out.
Dlc is excellent except for the Lore... i know there's gonna be people that yell and scream and lash out at this sentence... but the fact that Miquella wanted all this time Radahn to be his consort, leaves the storyline, storytelling all in the mud. It was supposed to be Godwin... what a let down.
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I think we all owe mohg an apology 🤣
Ya right he was used .
Yup he was the victim lol
bro was set up
Yep, I thought he was a depraved evil blood warlock pedo. Now I know he was just an innocent evil blood warlock.
Guilty or innocent i have always supported him
Fooled most people, but I smelled "cult leader" from a mile away. No one can be beloved by all without compulsion and as with Marika, the theme of the game is a deconstruction of the cliche that beauty and goodness are synonymous.
Yeah I always got the impression that he was able to get all these massive 'kind' things done (offering refuge, Haligtree, the needle etc.) because his influence was so strong that he could make people work endlessly or do horrific things & still never write or say a bad word about him - add in how Melania speaks about him, & then you've got the most 'fearsome' demigod as the one that will always have an ultra-loyal cult that does exactly as he says - I was definitely suspicious haha
I'm glad the DLC didn't have a _"Miquella was corrupted by an Outer God or some Elden Satan that we just introduced"_ or something external that changed or stopped his plans - if the rot nerfed Miquella after it got to Malenia _and_ Radahn already, I might've been mad lol
@@jaycielle There's an irony that just before this I watched GirlNextGondor's video on Sauron before the Lord of the Rings. When he was a still a fair, golden haired eternal young adult with great technical skill in magic and whose intention was to bring peace to Middle Earth. One who decided on a plan to do it was to control the heart and minds of people...with a magic golden Ring.
Similar goals, similar ends.
I know right?! I was taking in information about him throughout the entire game and that was all I got from him!
He's a Cult Leader and his First Member/Victim was his own TWIN Melania?!!!
Even more horrifying is that Miquella is stuck in a childlike body, with the ability to charm people, so Sympathy points are through the roof from everyone that cares for him.
Also, FREE MY MAN MOGH, HE A VICTIM!!!😭😭😭
Edit: I misspelled Mogh's name lol!
@@arlyconpeeps5808 I kind of wish we knew who Mohg was. Now we have to rethink Mohg's illusion in the sewers guarding the passage to the Three Fingers. Given that is was made with golden light, aka Erd Tree energy, Mohg might have been as loyal as Morgott toward the Order originally. After all in his cutscene, Morgott doesn't list his brother as one of the traitors to the Golden Order
Honestly I felt like most people probably had an idea Miquella was up to some shady shit. No pun intended. There just wasn't any clear evidence until now.
In her dreams, Melania must still see her brother, by her side; only in her dreams was Miquella ever truly by her side.
She deserved better. Maybe there was a time Miquella truly loved his sister, but how can someone who weaponises love truly, sincerely, without artifice or lie every love someone else.
when you go below in the cerulean coast, a cross tells where miquella abandons his love, and with it his twin soul
And I thought the DLC would have an Happy Ending, but just show us how douchy Mikey really was
@@grossartuslol a happy ending in a from soft game? Hell even armored core 6 has depressing endings.
when miquella referred malenia as his loyal blade instead of beloved sister means he's just using her as a tool. Meanwhile he refers radahn as lord brother.
malenia refers to herself as his loyal blade...
he still tried to cure her.
@@TyBe-uo4ud and he promised to return to her after becoming god, too. but we put a stop to that
@@TyBe-uo4ud that was before malenia fought radahn. Miquella wishes to cure her so that malenia can fight radahn at her full power.
@@turky8597 coz she was already bewitched long time ago
"I promise you... A thousand years voyage guided by compassion...
..Lord of the old order...
*...Let us go together."*
Tarnished: My apologies Miquella... but my heart and soul belong to someone else. I swore an oath to become her lord, her consort eternal, as we travel hand-in-hand down the dark path of the night as she brings about the Age of Stars.
*_Pulls out Darkmoon Greatsword_*
A thousand-year voyage under the wisdom of the Darkmoon... I will not allow anyone to impede our coming journey... not even _you._
@@Twilightiger96bro that is actually pretty sick
@@Twilightiger96this fits so fucking well considering it’s hinted at that godwyn was supposed to be miquella’s consort
@@victorpleitez768Where is that hinted?
@@adamsirin7249 something I read in a comment, so I could be wrong.
Miquella is inspired on griffith from berserk. An adrogenous boy who is very charming and seduces and uses people to achieve his objectives.
Nuh-uh, don't tell lies
@@chrispysaid It's such an obvious parallel, are you a moron?
@@chrispysaid I have some bad news for you.
@@chrispysaidbro does not know how much of the souls series is berserk inspired
I knew he was Griffith, but didn’t want it to be true 😔
Mogh wasn't a Moghlester. He was Moghlested
The child becomes the child predator
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He was miquelested
Literally got touched by Miquella
I didn't trust Miquella the second I learned he had the power to force affection. And that was WAY before the DLC came out. Some people are fr just gullible lmao
I mean, that's thing about love isn't it? It happens to you its not a thing you put yourself into.
I think Radhan was "mindless" because Miquella had taken his soul after his battle with Melania, so he was just an empty husk when we fought him
Spoilers
Personally, I think Miquella needed us the Tarnished to kill Radahn to set his soul free. His body had been Rotted along with his mind; so Miquella waited for us, in our quest to become elden lord, to kill Radahn, get his Remembrance which was then returned to the Erdtree.
For someone as skilled in the Golden Order, it was be simple for Miquella to just pluck that soul back out.
Like a white washed wall in a house taken by mold. If I am not mistaken rot impacts even the soul
@@thunderlifestudios IIRC that one was just for Melania who was becoming the Rot god. Though I am not fully sure
Could also explains why he has no voicelines and all other demigods do have
EDIT: Ignore me Radahn is required to start the DLC. Wasn't aware.
@@n0hesitati0n15 Are you sure? I'm fairly certain you can access the DLC without killing Radahn though. All you need to do is kill Mohg afaik, which is easily accessible via Varre well before most people would fight Radahn.
We’re sorry, Mohg…
There is something in how Miquella reach the shadow realm, I think.
Mohg, when you face him, complain about the great number of sacrifices done before Miquella's body, to awaken him, without success. But in the first moment of the DLC trailer, you see Miquella among blood and corpses. opening the way to the Shadow real.
Did Miquella fooled Mohg for the blood sacrifices, to open a way to the shadow realm?
No the scene at the trailer where you see someone walking by corpses is not miquella it’s Marika you can see with her bracelets and tall structure
The golden armor worn by Radahn in his younger years. Proudly adorned with heroic red accents, it is fitting attire for a lion. When Malenia, Blade of Miquella, let the rotflower blossom in Aeonia, Radahn heard a murmur in his ear- "Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort."
Nobody else is talking about this...but it's entirely clear to me that Miquella had Malenia bewitched as well. Plus, Ranni wanted to shed her empyrean flesh and got rid of her great rune...likely because she realized Miquella could do this shit. Plus Rykard said fuck it...I'mma let the snake eat me and outlive this crap.
While I don’t fully agree with you, I do find the idea of Miquella being such a threat that the other demigods had to use loopholes just to get the hell away from him cool and really a testament as to how threatening he was. The demigods are all threatening in their own way, but Miquella is the only one I’d say truly feels “Marika-level” in terms of dangerousness.
You might have a point. I think Ranni and Miquella were ultimately playing chess against each other to see who could become a God first. Hopefully someone makes a lore video about it one day.
And Radahn stopped the stars that controled his fate just to escape that crap
Fooled some, but the bewitching branch warned everyone. Just like real life, most didn't want to believe it.
what branch?
@@grossartus It's called that, the Bewitching Branch. It's an item you can craft that mind controls monsters to make them fight each other.
@@Arcessitor omg its true
@@grossartusThat was the original theory. Folks even 2 years ago were pointing towards him brainwashing everyone and using the branch to support their argument.
Something i find interesting that parallels miquella following marikas footsteps is the shaman village where marika is from. There are hints in the game such as the ghost near the tooth whip and the tooth whip jtem description that portrays the shamans as hated and a people experiencing some kind of religiously motivated genocide not only that but think where you find the whip... In the jar village the half formed jars upclose look very feminine I'm wondering if the jar ppl are the shaman/ neumans stuffed in. This means marikas cleansing is no different from what happened to her people continuing an ever long cycle of genocide based around religion. What do you think miquellas order would be like i think leda is a good example, kill all those who oppose this being whose literal power is brainwashing ppl into loving him. I imagine it would be the same maybe for all those who followed the golden order.
Woahhh you make great points. The history of Elden ring is so?? Cyclical. Discover, divide, conquer those who won’t fall in line, repeat. I could totally see Marika coming from a persecuted people , it would also explain why she seemed so keen and willing to conquer and genocide whoever & whatever, to get what she wanted. Still the base game hints at the Numen being the Nox, or maybe ancestors of the Nox knowing that the ants down in the caves around Noxtella drop Numen runes. So I do wonder how that would tie into the Shamans. I can’t remember if the Noxian architecture is similar to Leyndell’s or not but maybe that could be a hint to where the Noxian (Numen , I believe) people & society sit on the timeline. We know that the Carians descended from the mountain top astrologers but I don’t recall them specifically saying that for the Nox? Maybe the Shamans are their predecessors, if you think about it, it could tie together. The Nox were known for their “blasphemous” alchemies and creations, and reflecting real world history, before science was more fully understood people saw it to be sorcery. Maybe the shamans were doing their own practices of alchemies and sciences which were mistaken for blasphemous sorceries against whatever the current order was at the time, leading to persecution. Much is up to interpretation of course, just brainstorming!
@@Scweetoofmarika is for certain from the shaman village if you look at the 2 (or maybe 3) items you obtain there.
You get a minor erd tree incantation. And a golden braid that reads “Marika bathed her village in gold not that anyone was there to heal”
There’s gotta be a reason Radhan was keeping the stars at bay to Miquella’s advantage, keeping Ranni’s ever-advancing plans for the dark moon era from progressing too far during Miquella’s slumber or absence
But Radahn stopping the stars was also a disadvantage to miquella. The eclipse couldn't occur because radahn said "if you move you gay" to the sky.
And if Radahn was on Miq's side, then what was the purpose of Miquella waging a crusade to Redmane Castle?
I think at first Miquella had Radahn cornered in a way, forcing him to agree to the vow. Then when the shattering occured, immediately turned against the forced deal. Malenia was then sent to force Radahn to comply with the vow.
Her whispering those words to Radahn was, I think a form of mockery. Atleast thats hoe it sounded
@@sheeeshmaster6418 it’s questionable, for sure. But then again, Miquella maybe was only trying to get Godwin out of the way, if he could not quell dearhblight with the eclipse. So either way, he wins there too.
Not sure if this is true, but I read that somewhere in the DLC, you find that Radahn apparently thought Ranni would either become a puppet of the Golden Order, or be killed by it, so he halted the stars to freeze her destiny to keep her alive and free. Which would also mean he learned gravity magic just to protect his sister.
If that's true, that leads me to believe the reason he turned Miquella down was because he felt his duty was to protect his immediate family. Too bad Miquella didn't take 'no' for an answer...
@@mbsilver3109 all the more evidence Radahn was truly against miquella's deal. Holy shite the miqlester is not running away from this one
@sheeeshmaster6418 Radahn never agreed to it. Miquella made the promise himself without Radahn and the moment the scarletnrot got him Miquella was able to touch his soul and bewitch him to control him. Radahn was likely too strong alive to be bewitched so Miquella sent his sister on a suicide mission just to nuke Radahn with scarlet rot.
I’m impressed that you managed to kidnap Vaati and got him to write this banger script for you. Very alike Mohg himself! I’m subscribing.
About time someone spits out some Lore
Woah , this perspective has blown my mind , you pointing out that he stationed Melenia in the cold, very manipulative.
I like to think that the boss battle between us with Radahn and Miquella was like " I bust my ass to become an Elden Lord. There's no way I going to give up my throne that easily."
I think Ranni is the greatest tactician of the demigods (shoutout Morgott too since he never lost Leyndell), but Miquella is clearly the best strategist. He relied on one simple tactic: spam manipulation until he gets what he wants, but the larger intrigue he plays is truly brilliant. Just the thought that he only wanted to properly kill Godwyn to make his plans less annoying, and that he sent his sister to her death, either just to weaken her enough to allow Mogh to "kidnap" him, or to ensure that her and Radahn's fight ended in mutual destruction to advance his plans overall, it all just shows how much he took after his mother. Makes me wonder if he knew more about Radagon than Radagon knew about himself.
And then he fought us and died instead of asking for our help.
This video was so good! I can't wait for your next one explaining the lore of the shadow of the erd tree DLC
Such a cool theory - it could be such an AMAZING and heart breaking twist!!
Yeah, everyone praising Miquella until now. I always figured he was gonna end up being an asshole. Not this much though. I mean, jeez!
He made us believed he was molested by Mogh, and used all those people go to the shadow realm to follow him
Great video. Welcome to the Elden ring lore community. Good luck with your channel.
Ugh shut up
This aged really well 👌🏾
Aged for what? 3days??? I love the video but your comment confuses me.
@@ArshdeepSingh-rx8jnmans is from the future
for the longest time people were saying he’s nothing like griffith, guess they were all wrong
As i said on another video "it's a testement to from's writing ability that within the span of a single release and maybe 2-3 days miquella went from being perceived as a kind hearted soul trying to make a better world yet a victim of it, into the most corrupted, vile, twisted demigod of the lot who would make the world his victim if it meant his ambition was done"
Bros prediction was on point HO LEE
Mohg was Miquellested
Awesome video man but let me throw this wild one at you Radahn was supposed to take Miquella as his promised consort but Radahn didn't want to do that cause well it's his fate to become Miquella consort and well he wanted to be a general so he conquered the stars to stop his fate so he could continue to be a general and Miquella sent Malenia get him to release the stars and Radahn said no and we see what happens
I can see this happening too. Radahn might have figured out that being puppeteered by Miquella for 1,000 years was a horrible fate. Dude was just trying to save himself.
I'm not kidding when i say that this theory truly was the closest to landing to the eventual truth of the dlc and awesomely early. Great work!!
I have to say that, initially, i was dissapointed that we didn't get the "appropriate" ending for the main game, with a miquellan mending rune. But it seems now that I too was one the fooled ones. We finally know what miquella did for his supposed "loved ones" in reality..
(The albinaurics and the haligtree pilgrimage, the entrapment of malenia and the usurpation of her possible fate, the enchantment of mohg and even some theories suggest, that he may be implicated both in the fall of Renalla and the Carians and the Night of the Black Knives..etc.).
With some of the new information in the dlc, he might have succeded in also halting Ranni's destiny, but for the tarnished one's involvement, in my opinion. Would love to see something like that investigated by you or any theorists for reall!!
Just wauw dude awesome video❤
I told my gaming buddy miquella would be evil a couple years ago 🤣
So this whole time that we've been calling Mohg a child molester, he was actually set up by a literal Child-Molester. Thats crazy.
JUSTICE FOR MOGH!
7:18 she will NEVER start aggro
...until eventually she does
But more to the point you were trying to make, what if Malenia doesn't attack the Tarnished because she's being more careful? She wouldn't have needed to with Radahn, but she knows she only has one more bloom with us. She could have absolutely been more reckless and ambitious than she is when we meet her
2 years later and our boy Mohg beat the allegations, let’s go!
Now we know Mohg was part of Miquella's plan all a long in the lore of the dlc.
Miquella was smart, and the cards were in his favour. Rykard and Ranni both commit blasphemy against the golden order betraying the order long before Miquella and Malenia, naturally removing them from the throne.
Mogh, Morgott and Messmer were shun due to being either Omen or corrupted by outer powers and were only a threat against Miquella in later dates as they all served their purpose. Morgott defended the capital and his mother from any outside threat, Mohg was committed to Miquella and the outer god the formless mother and Messmer banished by Marika herself king long before the war had started, potentially to stand in Miquella’s way because she wanted the tarnished to drag the order down and replace it.
Godwyn and Godrick both mirrors of each other Godwyn was powerful, we didn’t know much about him other than he befriended Plasidusax and bore the golden order and ancient dragon incantations also being the first born you would assume he held authority over his siblings but he was murdered for what purpose? To possibly push Marika to break the Elden ring? Or was it just a plot so Ranni could abandon her body and keep her soul in exchange for Godwyns soul, leaving his body to rot forever, his purpose may have been free Ranni and become a new form of living in death. Godrick on the other hand, was a runt and believed to be a great grandson of Marika and grandson of Godwyn but over time his blood became diluted and mixed so his godhood was never taken serious leaving him as a stepping stone for the chosen tarnished.
This leaves Rahdan…”promised consort Rahdan” leading me to believe that Miquella was promised by Rahdan that he would be his consort and sent Malenia to defeat him with the intention that they would lose, giving Mohg time to remove Miquella and take him to the shadow realm where Miquella was able to bring Rahdans soul back into his prime body, Malenia was an empearyn, making her unworthy of being a consort.
This is interesting to me I know I’m not correct on all of this but this is my version of the story being told and I picked the Ranni ending due to it abandoning the golden order and setting in motion the future of the lands in between, again though lands in between the eternal city, Farum azula, Shadow realm and the badlands
i never noticed that she whispers in radahns ear right before she blooms. now with the quote from radahns armor in the dlc i actually paid attention to her mouth.
Thank u for this video
Malenia at the end, not Melina.
I think Miquella does possess the ability to swap identities and genders. What Radagon is to Marika is what I think St. Trina is to Miquella.
This actually made me think of something and I would like to say that I believe Miquella did everything once he got kidnapped by Mogh. Let me break it down really quickly because it doesn't make sense when you look at it in a way that he planned everything from the start. So let's say from the beginning from the memory we see at the end of the DLC he asked Radahn to be his consort. Now that could have played out two ways One he could have agreed to be his consort or he could have said no. I'm more on the belief that Radahn would say no to his very underage young sibling. It appeared that he wasn't really the type to follow orders and would do things his own way even going as far as stopping the stars to stop the intervention of the outer gods.
So this is most likely why both Miquella and Melania would leave they wanted to make a new order and bring peace to the lands in between. They also was the most sickly out of their siblings and this makes a lot of sense because it appears when we go to the second tree in their actual fortress that they had a full plan at the time He was even in his own cocoon harnessing the power of the tree to try and make himself reach godhood. Now we get the battle between his sister and his brother and during that time he is kidnapped by Mogh. And I don't think there is any kindness between the two because you have to remember Mogh basically killed him. And most likely tried multiple ways to make him grow* You can even see this in a dialog about all the bodies and blood and this makes sense of why eventually through all that suffering he would go to the lands of shadows. Cuz when we look at the brutalness of this land that DLC is in and also the constant suffering of the individuals within the land it does make sense that he would end up here or some type of gateway would open up to this land. The only thing that barbers me slightly is the point that we touch their hand to go into the world which makes me believe this is some type of police that exists in a different realm and he had access to it because of his powers.
Now looking back at the DLC zone I like to point out something anybody notice the really weird veil over the entire zone. I think the reason why this is here is two phones one to protect it from the rest of the realm that they're in almost like a blanket of light and also to show a very weird concept. It almost reminds me of blanket fort that you'll see a lot of kids make. It's actually very reminiscent of one of those if you ever played the plague game you can see one of those in the younger brother's room as well. Almost like a canopy where children would go usually with a light or if you didn't have one underneath a blanket with a light in this reminded me so much of that. And it would make sense because he is someone who has been euthanized for his entire life and he would still have the mind of a child in some aspects especially since everyone treated him like a child.
It would make sense as of why we see that weird section of the map we're you can see the darkness reaching down into the area. So it would make sense that when he arrived there technically a child of light people would worship him not only because of his magnetic appeal that was part of his power but because of what he represented in that area. Also in this land it appears that he most likely grew up and was able to be away from the curse that affected him his whole life. Harnessing his powers and reaching at one point godhood.
Now I believe when he got here he completely wanted to break away from the golden order and did not want to be dependent on the greater will. But there are a lot of similarities that even if he did he still kind of want with the cycle his parents did.
It shouldn't fall onto anyone noticed that he looks very similar to his mother and Radahn looks very similar to their father. I have no doubt in my mind that they would have ruled the same way their parents did. With one being underneath the influence of the other, because remember his mother did the same thing to his father summoning him to her side even when it seemed like he didn't want too. She made him from a part of her soul, the only difference here was he summoned his brother's soul back to his body once he remade the body from the person who killed him in the first place. So this makes sense that this would happen. And lastly as we travel through the lands we see all of his crosses. We see that he leaves a part of himself behind to become more and more God like even his heart at one point. What we are seeing here is a God that has no problem with controlling people for the greater good No longer being pulled by the greater will but that of his own beliefs. So in reality I believe he gaved into all of the names that he was told his whole life starting with the land of shadows to grain harmony and peace there first and most likely then going to the lands in between if left is his own free will. This would mean that from the time he was kidnapped everything was put on survival mode, he realized that he would never be safe that he would never be strong enough to be able to do what needed to be done. The last hope most likely was their fortress and him trying to reach the point of godhood to break away from the greater will and everything else while trying to keep everyone alive. It just didn't work like that and I think it might have just broke something inhale making him go to the last point which was sacrificing everything that made him who he was originally to become something new that had a chance of breaking the cycle. Sadly that wasn't the case because he was doing the exact same thing only with a different narrative.
I like your theory. You explained it very well!
Good theory but we know that mogh got charmed. According to his follower that we meet on the dlc when mogh first met him, him(the follower) sensed something bad and tried to attack miquela but miquela toyed with him and beat him effortlessly. After that meeting mogh kidnapped miquela. Miquela is not the defenseless child people think he is.
Aged like wine.
TOGETHAA WE SHALL DEVOUR THE VERY DLC!!
Something is not right in the story development of this DLC.
There was absolutely no foreshadowing of Miquella’s infatuation with Radahn. That came out of nowhere.
yea that was so instant
True, but this way it mirrors Guts and Griffith even more. One thing he couldnt control or own, an obsession to pursue for ages and ages. And even when he does get him eventually... its a meat puppet, made in his image and stuffed with his soul after spending who knows how long with rotting mind and in pain. Miquella is sadist to biggest degree. A true yandere.
@@silentwabbit1065 ı never readed the berserk so ı cant say anything aabout that
@@lazarus4401 you should try it, much of fromsoftware is based on it. Great art, hardcore topics, bloody battles... it is not for weak stomach though.
What about miquellas weird sword. Radahn cant die so his plan is in tatters until then. The sword could remark that
MIQUELLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE COME FOR YOU
Awesome interpretation
Miquella power is love all that are effected by it stop fighting him and fight for him
After everything. Ranni still comes out as the one with the best plan.
I think miquella is marika, just like radaggon!
Maybe Malenia just didn't care.
At worst, she had served a purpose she had chosen to herself, cursed that she was. She defeated every single enemy single-handendly and had never known defeat, all in the name of love.
And at best, she helped breed a new God who would usher a new age of sanctity and holiness into the world.
What more could she ask for?
i think radahn stopping the stars was a sign of his refusal to become miquella's consort
Miquella says, "If we honor our part of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort" and Radahn is called the Promised Consort. I don't believe Radahn rejected him AT ALL. By saying if we honor our part of the vow inplying that there was already at least one promise made between them and the only question was if both would hold up their end of the deal. Then by him being the PROMISED consort, i believe the implication is that he MADE that promise.
spoiler you fiind out later through someones quest line that he is bringing him back. Freya stated that his soul was to have a endless rest, but is being brough "back". Also in that part of the quest teir (another npc) He finds out Miquellas true plans for the corpse of Mogh. So I dont think He had it all planned out prior to being essentially kidnapped, and killed (so to speak) which gave him access to the shadowlands. Just like his cousin Ranni' he shedded his mortal coils in the lands between, to bridge the worlds or dimensions together. Allowing the rejected Redmane warrior. Each NPC served under a Previous demigod that we killed in the OG. a redmane warrior, a failed follower of mogh. A trader who accepts the Brood as friendly (Malenia) etc etc. Just my 2 cents though.
It's worth noting that even without Miquella's influence over them, Mohg was still a deranged lunatic, Radhan a Golden Order fanatic, and Malenia a victory-obsessed, terminally-ill valkyrie. Miquella being able compel affection doesn't mean he can literally mind control anybody--their actions are still their own, he just gives their actions motivation
Do you think Midra could be Marika's father? Also I'd be curious to hear more of your thoughts on Melina
My boy dropped almost everything about himself by the end to the point that still considering himself "the kind" was a joke... Even his hugs are fatal by then, however the worst thing about miquella the slime is that I still couldn't fight godwyn.
I feel like the dlc just made miquella someone that wanted a candy, was told no and he just had the biggest whim and he HAD to have it. I expected more of miquella in the dlc because i do believe he loved others and wanted peace but he literally abandoned everything just to have Radahn idk he was the biggest inventor and gave a lot of creatures a home and could fight the outer gods influence and he just abandoned it all... Maybe he never stopped being a kid
The female aspect of miqella is sentrina/centrina/ st. trina
Both male and female like marika and radagon
What is music playing at 3:21 played? Much appreciated
well who knows what if miquella can really transform into a female/male depending on their consort just like marika
PSA: Anyone who has "The Kind" for a title are anything but kind.
does anybody know how the heck radhan got his foots back
It's Mogh's body. That's why there are horns on the arms.
Lol I'm still confused
does he mean to say Melina in some of these spots?
They didn't have to do both radhan and mohg dirty like that especially mohg
What I;m confused about is the ending of the first trailer. We see Miquella holding up his hand showing us the tree, and it no longer has sap...in game this never happens. Why include that?
What if marika's behind it all, think about it, the radogon final boss which was supposed to be marika as well was just a husk being controlled what if she was never improsoned after breaking the elden ring instead it was all part of her plan instead.
Jokes on you, I overanalyzed Miquella a while ago, and determined that The only Empyrian to have actively worked towards replacing and destroying the Golden Order the hard way can't be trusted.
Im also one of, if not the only lunatic to believe he had an active role in the murder of Godwyn, to cause the Golden Orders downfall himself.
GRIFFITH!!!!!!
radahn:
miquella X
leonard V
But why Miquella wanted Radahn to be his consort and not Mogh? Mogh was right there and willing for his dynasty. So strange to go in so much twists for ascending to godhood.
Radahn is a proven general and loved by his subjects the same as Miquella, this is my theory is that His two fingers told him that that was his chosen consort and I think Radahn rejected the two fingers like his sister and brother
What about melina?? My only beloved
God Miquella can bring back malena
Really? Wasnt the bewitching branch item description a good enough foreshadowing? Or the supposedly saved albinaurics that he sent to the eclipse shotel castle?
Melina??? O, you mean malenia
I always suspected she was mind controlling everyone. How can someone with mind control not abuse such power?
Miquella is a boy
@@candideoptimism8775 is he?
@@scionofchaoz YES! every description of Miquella refers to him with he/him pronouns. but he is androgynous, which is why people think he is a girl. the reason for all this is due to his curse of eternal childhood, prepubescent and all. he also has extremely long hair. so it makes sense, but it feels like nobody actually reads item descriptions. his other half of his being, St Trina, is his feminine aspect. something he threw away within the Shadowlands
😒😒😒😒😒😒
I refuse to accept it , IM NOT GAY IM NOT GAY I PROMISE@@candideoptimism8775
What if her plan all along was to rot away Radan‘s soul so that he could be reborn?
Miquella is a HE
St. Trina is a SHE
Why is this hard.
is Miquella dead for good now?
Yeah but radahn and miwuella are not competing for the same thing. Miquella was an empyrean bound for godhood whereas the non empyreans can become lords at best.
Is this all backed up by lore or a theory?
The lore in this game is inconclusive, without people filling in gaps these videos would be short and uninteresting, they gave us lore on purpose that doesn't really add up.
Damn spoiler title seriously 😡
Ngl but I kinda feel like there are alot of plot holes involving specifically Miquella, Radahn, and Mogh because essentially if we the Tranished didn't come along all of this planning would've gone to shit
First with Miquella what was the point of him putting his body in the Halictree except to make it grow? Because during the moment Mogh kidnaps him he is really small and later bigger in Moghywn palace
Second Radahn halting the stars affects Miquella's plans to a degree but also agreed to go along with Miquella? What's in it for Radahn? (I know Miquella can charm ppl but it would just straight up say that if Radahn was charmed)
Last but not least Mogh, definitely got charmed by Miquella but if so why did he kidnap him? If Miquella was in control 100% I don't think he would allow Mogh to do what he did to his body which means maybe somehow either Miquella allowed Mogh to kidnap him (?) Or Miquella attempt to charm Mogh but it was already too late and Mogh's obsession or ambition only grew
(Let me know and please make it make sense because I feel like for the most part a lot of misinformation is going around making things much harder to understand)
Griffith did nothing wrong
Miquella is the most powerful if all so you really think mohg will win over him 😂 come on guys you all should know better
I hate mikela, reminds me griffith, i hate that guy
Miquella did nothing wrong
im sorry. you said miquella is a boy look like a girl. just in case you dont know. he is a she too. as st. trisna. miquella IS st.trisna
He WAS St. Trina. Or had the "fate" to become her.
He divested himself of that fate.
He was no longer St Trina just the single Unalloyed God Miquella.
@@luckyowl6432 So how would "he" makes children with Radahn? We don't know if Godhood entails having two genders or not.
Bro, you're getting well known facts wrong, how can you expect to be taken serious
After closer analysis of the lore from various videos, I'm fully convinced our tarnished is Marika reborn and this is her ultimate getback. All her children are either following her footsteps and continuing the cycle or trying to maintain of what remains.
So he was actually a female?
No,he is a male.
no. his other half of himself, St Trina, is his feminine aspect that visits people in their dreams, but Miquella is a boy. idk why there’s so much confusion on that lol
@@candideoptimism8775 they don't want to accept that Miquella is a man for some reason
@@vagelismihalis7426smash next question lol
@candideoptimism8775 entities being split into two contrasting counter parts is only found in elden ring , it's pretty Spergy to expect people understand a universe with completely different laws of reality
I think people are giving Miquella too much hate, the only thing that came at the expense of Miquella getting his way was mohg, of whom wasn’t exactly a good guy to begin with.
The true villain is Ranni, in order to get what she wanted she didn’t just kill somebody that was way better than mohg (godwyn) she destroyed his soul, which is more reprehensible. Plunging the world into chaos, making marika go mad destroying the Elden ring, making everyone else kill each other over trying to fix everything and also allowing the corruption of death to spread.
All to get an ending of basically nothingness, anarchy and eternal darkness. Of which she used her now dead friends to achieve. While objectively Miquella healed and accepted the downtrodden and persecuted, while also wanting to build a kinder world, in a world of chaos making it much harder to achieve that goal.
Yet people feel betrayed because they put all their stock into believing he was a victim of mohg, yet Miquella never acted like he was. He didn’t explicitly tell us, it was just conveyed that way. Of which doesn’t necessarily mean mohg didn’t still want to use Miquella but failed to do so and became his pawn.
People act like he’s a villain because they THINK he takes advantage of people and they act like mohg is this poor victim that did no wrong and is completely innocent, and people desperately try to make out radahn is a victim too completely overlooking that they explicitly had an agreement. It just seems to me that despite how evil and morally bankrupt everyone else is the only person not allowed to try and take power is Miquella and somehow, despite the fact he tried to do it in a not as evil way he’s still somehow a bad guy.
It’s like people are trying to hate for the sake of hating with all the misrepresenting, because he’s not exactly a complex character that is hard to understand. It’s also not like any of these theories of who Miquella “actually” is are true, they’re wildly speculative based on what people think and compare to different characters, we don’t have much to go on yet we objectively have lore stating how he is of which I’ll take over what people want to think he’s like.
Kind of sounds like you're under Miquellas spell
"HEART STOLEN"
You're heart's stolen bro. It's okay.
-Miquella brainwashed mohg into his death, and is indirectly responsible for the actions of his blood knights across the lands as they are carrying out goals in the pursuit of the new dynasty
-Miquella brainwashes every npc in the DLC to follow him blindly
-Miquella either brainwashed or teamed up with malenia to attempt to kill radahn for his soul, which indirectly leads to the nuking of Caelid. Think about how many lives are fucked over because of that
-Miquella's vision to create a loving world is vague at best, he could very well be attempting to remove free will or brainwash everyone to avoid any 'conflict'
-Miquella mirrors Marika, ascend to godhood for what they presume is a greater world, but doing unspeakable acts to the current world to do so
objectively an awful character morality wise.
He didn't fool shit. It's called piss poor writing.
The base game literally said Radahn stopped the stars to protect Sellia. Malenia and Radahn fought over control. It's stated multiple times in game that the demigods fought each other for power because of the Great Rune corruption. Radahn's story was complete. Godwyn's story has no conclusion and you're delusional to say that. Miquella wanted to grant him a true death and the Finger Crone also says Godwyn should die a true death. There's buildup for Godwyn, none for RadahnxMiquella. The awful pairing feels like a Yaoi, reddit fantasy. Remember the strings of life Marika took from the corpse in the trailer? Godwyn is soulless, Miquella is bodilless. The whole purpose was to get his ideal consort giving his Relationship with Godwyn. Why not use these strings of life to reanimate Godwyn's body that is still alive, fix his appearance, since this is what Miquella's whole theme is about. Hell why not an eclipse that can regenerate a soul, it's a dark fantasy game. They fused mohg's body with radahn's soul, why would anything else be impossible? Some silly scene of Miquella isn't going to cut it. Item descriptions conveniently added in the DLC with no hints in the base game isn't going to cut it.
It's completely plot holic. But of course people like you will say it makes sense to the lore. In the end whatever they do will make sense to the lore, it's their game, it's their story. That doesn't make it good. For myself and since the steam reviews show only a 60% positive review rate and you can't just outright bash such a large disparity and call us delusional, this DLC will not be considered canon for a very large number of us.
- The Remembrance
- NPC dialogue
- Item descriptions
That is the culmination of said "lore". I don't need more time to conclude how lazy the writing is. Kindly Miquella and General Radahn, with no foreshadowing in the base game, are simply put, afterthoughts by the devs. Malenia had whispered a prayer in Radahn's ear two years prior; now it was Miquella's promise? How convenient. Miquella wishes to usher in the Age of Compassion while admiring a war-obsessed demigod since childhood, and there's no hint of this in the extensive base game? How convenient. All the lore surrounding Miquella and Radahn, any explanation we may receive, is located SOLELY in the DLC, which is set after the established base game. How convenient.
I love FromSoft, played all the Soulsborne games, and adored Elden Ring. I am a fan. This was just not very good; there's no need to get so incredibly defensive over it.
I feel like I'm going to repeat myself, but Elden Ring was extremely lore-driven. You can't simply dismiss this. There was clear buildup and foreshadowing for Marika/Radagon in the base game.
It's okay. It can be a good game but have a cheap storyline. I'm currently writing a novel, and it would feel super cheap to implement lore in such a lazy format three years later just so the current arc can make sense. All in all, Radahn x Miquella makes no sense without the added and forced shipping the DLC provides during certain questlines and with certain item descriptions.
And despite that, the ending is just anticlimactic. Search TH-cam for hour-long analysis videos on Miquella, and we barely get an interaction after we finally face him? A short cutscene of him going "boohoo, I'm going to be a God"? Give me a break... It's lazy and unfinished.
Him having radahn as his consort is so weird to me as well. The base game talks about how Miquella Damn Near worshipped Godwyn and the Coming Eclipse. Godwyn’s story happens completely off screen and I figured with all the references to death knights in the DLC. It would’ve been a Hell Bent Miquella, doing whatever he could have, to Reincarnate Godwyn the Golden as his Consort. That Way we can fight an enemy at the end who was told to have Conquered the Dragons. It would’ve fight with the Lore.
I agree with parts of your point but I think that the DLC establishes that Miquella hates the roots of the Golden Order so completely that he would divest himself of everything in himself that represents it, and wouldn't pick the very personification of the Golden Order's champion in Godwyn to recreate it. Discovering Bonny Village and Bonny Gaol kinda sealed that idea to me.
Radahn is spoken of having legendary kindness, and was the strongest of all the demigods after the Shattering. I think Miquella took Radahn as the best option to continue the path of starting an entirely new type of order, one that couldn't be possible if he'd resurrected Godwyn. Does it leave Godwyn's story unfinished? Yes. Does it rewrite alot of the Miquella/Malenia/Radahn dynamic that we know of from lore? Yes. But it's at least interesting if you think about it from the perspective of Miquella gave up entirely on everything Golden Order related, including Godwyn like Ranni gave up Blaidd, Iji, and Rykard in her own quest for a new order. The only difference is that if Miquella had chosen us as his Lord instead of Radahn, we'd be bringing about the Age of Compassion instead of stopping it.
I agree with you completely. however while I sip some copium, perhaps Miquella wanted Godwyn as his Lord, but then the Night of Black Knives happened and there was no hope of reviving a *completely killed* soul. so Miquella then saw the kindness of Radahn as well as his strength, and Radahn resisted his charms, which made Miquella only see him as even more worthy to be his Lord of Compassion. but you’re 1000% right, any new lore related to Miquella and Radahn was all shoehorned into this DLC as if die-hard lore fiends wouldn’t notice.
honestly though, I was so pumped for Godwyn. I wished that Miquella would have come through the gate bearing Godwyn’s soul, something that should have been feasible in *whatever* is behind the Gate that allows Emperyons to become Gods. I would have loved to have fought prime Godwyn the Golden, and then Miquella hops on his back for phase two. shit, I would have even been happy if they still used Mohg’s corpse and Radahn’s’ Soul, and then in phase two Godwyn’s soul gets inserted into the Mohg/Radahn body, and then the red hair turns to gold as we fight Godwyn the Second Sun or some shit. idk man. literally anything would have been cooler and more consistent with base game lore
Wow I don't really know where to start because your comment has such angry energy and I'll probably just upset you more because I wholeheartedly disagree.
A couple of points:
The reviews are at 60% because people like you review bombed it, yikes. I don't think this is fair to bring up. With critics it has 95% positive reviews...
They didn't foreshadow miquella by the way? Did you do the optional halligtree area at all? You claim to have played the game and read the item descriptions right? Maybe you need a second playthough 😂
I guess if I could say anything in short it's that I too am writing a novel, but I happened to like the story. You're entitled to dislike it but just don't expect a large portion of the community to agree and jump on your hate train. I have a feeling what happened here is that you're disappointed because your headcannon about Godwin didn't get written because you seem like an imaginative person who gets invested in stories. Try being more open minded about this and giving it another shot otherwise you'll just hate this forever. You're seriously thinking this masterpiece of a DLC shouldn't be cannon? I'm sorry that's delulu
@blobymcblobface Uh huh. In due time my opinion will be shared amongst the majority. You'll see. Just let the hype die down.
PS. 60% of who? People who purchased the DLC i.e your everyday player. That's worth more than any " critic " . Elden Ring has 96%. Let that sink in.
You did not read what I wrote down, I never said " Miquella wasn't foreshadowed " ... I don't know where you got that from.
I don’t know how long you’ve been unemployed, but some people still have jobs and can’t spend the entire week playing the DLC. I wish when people actually had brains and didn’t post spoilers within days of the DLC coming out.
Bro chill it’s been almost a week, and you don’t have to watch it lol
he literally said the DLC is almost here, this was pre-dlc
He doesn't have the comprehension necessary. @@Slabfish
@@Slabfish the original comment was 9 hours ago though talking about spoilers
Dlc is excellent except for the Lore... i know there's gonna be people that yell and scream and lash out at this sentence... but the fact that Miquella wanted all this time Radahn to be his consort, leaves the storyline, storytelling all in the mud. It was supposed to be Godwin... what a let down.