Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree ENDING EXPLAINED
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- A breakdown of the events and revelations contained in Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree's loaded and controversial ending.
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Something I wanted to add that might lend credence to the theory that Radahn is being forced to be a consort is that he doesn’t have his horse. I don’t think Radahn would want to be lord to someone if he didn’t have his mighty steed with him.
wasn't it also likke that he learned gravity magic so he was still able to ride his beloved horse despite his huge size?
@@shinrok Yep, the dude is easily one of the most wholesome characters in the game.
I don’t remember what description it was and I haven’t watched the vid yet so idk if it’s discussed but it said something abt miquela being able to get everyone to follow him blindly but one person
Radahn likes battle, Miquella wants peace, their ideologies are too incompatible.
Well, also the fact that Malenia had to go-to Caelid and spread her rotussy indicates that he was probably reluctant to be Miquellas consort.
This golden femboy really has boundary issues, he even charmed Mohg without consent lol
Finally, someone doing a video on the endgame dlc lore!
Literally took the words from my mouth 😂
I know right they told us who cursed Melania, it was Romina I can't wait for that video
I’m literally tweaking while vaati doesn’t update
@@ryancox5313where can I read this in game?
@jackcorwin8424 it was a speculation of mine from reading her remembrance, Plus in the base game it said the goddess of rot was sealed away and cursed Melania. Maybe she wasn't sealed to the lake of rot, but sealed away or banished in the shadowlands, and if the war in the shadowlands war and subjugation influenced by Queen Marika, just maybe she cursed Melania with Scarlett Rot, for Marika betrayal, I know it's a reach but Elden ring leaves a lot to speculation
My guess is that Radahn's strong sense of duty (halting the motion of the stars) kept him from pledging his loyalty elsewhere, so he may have made a binding promise with Miquella about being his lord in the next life. If a seemingly good-natured little kid that admires you asks you to promise something crazy like that, you might just humor them. Given how pure of character Radahn seemed to be, he might not have accepted had he known exactly how much Miquella was willing to sacrifice to fulfill his end of the deal.
We can't know the details of what Miquella promised Radahn in return, but the fact that he says "if WE honor OUR part of the vow", he is probably referring to himself and Malenia (and possibly even the Tarnished). That makes me think the vow has something to do with challenging and defeating Radahn. If this is the case, it may be a subtle hint that Radahn wasn't really complicit, because his reply to Miquella was "lol sure, over my dead body".
But I feel like if it wasn’t complicit, it would have been said. They explicitly say that Mohg was charmed and Radahn not being complicit adds to the horror of the situation and the game wouldn’t hold back from showing it. Everything describes their vow as something they made together and Radahn is promised, he made a promise to Miquella, so he agreed to his end as shown in the memory. Likely the twins end of the vow was give me an honorable death (to enter the land of shadow) and revive me when I get there. It makes sense with Malenia’s line as she blooms, it basically implies that Mohg already took Miquella- so it’s ‘Hey, this is the death you wanted, Miquella is waiting for you’
@@HeraldingHistorianDo we ever see it written that Radhan was meant to be his consort, or does it just say "Lord brother"?
@@HeraldingHistorian I refuse to believe Radahn would doom caelid, the place he grew up in to go along miquella's plan. People on miquella's side don't notice how horrifying the result of caelid was, its literally the first area we stumble upon and see how horrifying it is. Considering how miquella wasn't near Radahn on the ending cutscene, I think its safe to say it might've been a Onesided wish.
@Tigerbro6 I don't think radahn knew that malenia would bloom. I think once malenia realized she wasn't going to win fighting normally, she decided to risk it all and ensure that radahn ended up in the land of shadow with whatever means necessary I.e. aeonian bloom. But unfortunately her plan didn't work and it scarred caelid forever, so the tarnished had to finish the job
@@Tigerbro6I think their duel was supposed to be honorable sword vs sword (assuming if Radahn didn't use gravity magic against Malenia but doesn't seem that way) though it seems like Malenia didn't want to lose hence doing a desperate move
Nuking Caelid
Atleast we finally know what Malenia whispered in Radahn’s ear when afflicting him with Scarlet Rot. Something that we have been wondering since the base game’s story trailer. It was Miquella all along!
"This is for not taking my brother's hand"
Back shot.exe
Thank you so much for this video. This helped explain so much! Also The Game Of Thrones music in the background was such a sweet touch to this!
I'm trying to remember off hand if the language was exact, but could this possibly mean that Miquella never wished to revive Godwyn at all? He was always referring to Radahn?
Radahn was not dead before the creation of the golden epitaph so…
Miquella never wished to revive Godwyn, he wanted to grant his body a real death
@@dracopo8862You must've forgotten that the Church of the Eclipse and Miquella wanted to resurrect Godwyns soul during the eclipse, but couldn't because his soul was eliminated by Destined Death
@@joesaiditstrue "A sword made to commemorate the death of Godwyn the Golden, first of the demigods to die.
Infused with the humble prayer of a young boy; "O brother, lord brother, please die a true death." "
Well at least we all learned which one of Marika's children resembled her the most.
😂😂
Miyazaki confirmed in a interview there will be more than one ending…
I like a theory I saw in a video that says that he agreed to the be his consort but miquella abandoned the order to which radahn is faithful to which made radahn change his mind.
Something I noticed just an hour ago playing with Radahns armour on is that the armour (both the OLD and the new) has Miquellas sigil/emblem on the upper part of the cape! The same sigil that appears when casting Miquellas spells! It's literally on Radahns back even in the base game! You can also find St.Trinas sword in Caelid, as well as a large amount of Miquella Lillies overlooking Radahns arena (it's got the most dense amount of Miquella Lilies in the game).
What I don't get is why there isn't an ending option to side with Radahn and Miquella
Bruh I hate how the dlc leaves out so many things unfinished or unattended
Unless there are still parts of the DLC that I havent uncovered yet, there are just too many points left unconfirmed: Who actually is Melina? Who is Torrents previous owner? Who is the Gloam-eyed queen? Whats up with the Roundtable Hold? What did Marika actually want? Why did Godwyn have to die? etc. I honestly feel like we need another DLC after this one.
Unfortunately we won't get one but fromsoft is open to a sequel.
@@ThatGuy-en2nn Didnt Miyazaki say that while a sequel wasnt currently in the plan hes not against making one?
Godwyn died because ranni wanted him to die
The line "If *we* honor our part of the vow" confuses me... Who is "we"?
There's really only 3 options here:
1. *He refers to himself and Radahn*
This doesn't make much sense because of the end of the sentence. The condition that "if they should honour part of the vow", Radahn should promise to be his consort, is illogical in itself. Radahn being Miquella's consort is most likely his part of the vow, so him fulfilling the condition (honouring the vow) and the desired result (him being Miquellas consort) cannot be one and the same act.
We can also assume that he is talking directly to Radahn in the memory, so why should he adress himself and Radahn collectively in the subordinate clause, and then adress him with "you" in the main clause? Makes no sense.
So it's much more likely that it's one of these two options:
2. *He refers to himself and Malenia*
I find this one to be the most likely, because I, too, assume the main purpose of the battle of Aeonia was to kill Radahn and make his soul susceptible for the ritual with Mohg's body. Especially given the item description of the Young Lion's armor: "When Malenia, Blade of Miquella, let the rotflower blossom in Aeonia, Radahn heard a murmur in his ear- "Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort."
However, I have a problem with this option. Let's say we assume that the memory is taken from a long time ago, potentially from even before the shattering. To me it seems as though the conversation in the memory is one of equality, both Radahn and Miquella talking and agreeing about their parts of the vow. It begs the question, what exactly was the content of the vow? What was Radahn promised in return for being Miquella's consort?
If we assume Miquella promised him the same thing as us in the fight: "I promise you. A thousand year voyage guided by compassion.", and Radahn accepted this because of his "kindness" and good nature, why would they have to go through the elaborate act of killing Radahn and destroying all of Caelid in the attempt to do so, only to then revive his soul into Mohg's body?
There must have been a shift in Radahn's mind. He must have changed his opinion on the vow. Either he was initially deceived and then found out that Miquella's promise to him was a lie, or perhaps he changed his mind after the shattering. We can't say for sure.
3. *He refers only to himself, however including St. Trina, thus using plural*
In the DLC we come to find out that St. Trina has her own physical body, and that she exists apart from Miquella, even though she is still implied to be his discarded alter ego. Was she perhaps also involved in this vow? To me it seems like in the game, St. Trina is being portrayed as morally superior to Miquella, exposing the fallacy behind "Kind Miquella" and how we, the Tarnished, have to stop him from achieving godhood by killling him. So maybe St. Trina being involved in the vow was what moved Radahn to agreeing in the first place? And Miquella ridding himself of his alter ego is what caused the shift in Radahn's will to honour his part of the vow and become Miquella's consort?
It's kinda frustrating that the final dialogue we get of Miquella is so open ended, but honestly what did we expect? Please let me know what you guys think about these thoughts! :-)
dont a lot of gay people refer to themselves as plural these days? I'd like to add i think its neat theres a gay ending. Fits with a lot of the themes and settings
Maybe St. Trina is The One Person He Couldn't Charm.... and She Went around Warning People and It Got Back to The General. Then Miqqi over here goes around saying His Alter Ego Is the Female He Couldn't Run Game On and She Even Went To The Shadow Realm to Tell On Miqqi.... Hmmmmm
Miqqi is One Cold Empyrean incest baby😂😂
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😂😂 Tha Comments This DLC Creating Is Unreal....
Still so sad they scrapped the ending where you help and side with Miquella. So much potential
I think it’s highly implied Radahn has been hypnotized by Miquella. The trailer itself really emphasize how Miquella can make essentially anyone love him. Pretty creepy and unsettling the more you learn about the story.
It used to make sense.
Rennalla, Queen of the Full Moon was a queen and master of Full Moon sorceries.
Rykard, Lord of Blasphemy was blasphemous.
Malenia, Blade of Miquella served as Miquella's blade and right hand woman.
Morgott the Omen King was an Omen and a King.
Godfrey, First Elden Lord was the first person to be Elden Lord, technically.
But according to half the fanbase Promised Consort Radahn did not promise to be a consort. It’s not like he’s Charmed Consort Radahn or Bewitched Consort Radahn, he’s the *Promised* Consort Radahn.
Please make it make sense again.
He's Promised the same way Miquella is Kindly
I wonder if Radahn agreed in their youth in a "Haha ok lil bro I'll totally marry you." way. But Miquella didn't grow out of the childish infatuation
I think Miquella(Griffith like) Compelled Radahn to be his Lord But Radahn was so strong that he could deny it (a la Guts). After the shattering, Malenia, Blade of Miquella(Casca-esque) tried to take Radahn to Miqullea by force. That failed and when she was brought back her Rot started to infect his HaligTree. Already in his cocoon and Radahn still going off, he plots Radahn's death, Compelled Mohg to take him away. Perhaps he was going to sacrifice Those at the Haligtree to enter the realm of shadow, and the tree rotting foiled that. So instead just use blood. And the Blood of a Hornsent/Omen. Messmer was just left to his Genocidal Duties because Marika was Racist, but she hid away the Shadow Tree and the Tower to ensure that no other God could Ascend to her status. The Greater Will just wants a new toy or perhaps there never was a Greater Will. Since Miquella in his God form was more a kin to Halenia, Goddess of Rot, Rather than the Vessel for the Elden Ring. To me that is the most sound explanation of events. But i still need to do St. Trina stuff, so SMH.
I think this is a pretty good line of thought.
I've always seen Miquella as like, the ultimate targaryen: convinced that he is the main character and everything revolves around him (I'll fix scarlet rot, destroy the erdtree and it's roots, cure my sister, give Godwyn a true death, bring albuniurics into an order, and lower gas prices).
You can't compare Casca to Malenia, really. Casca proposed to Gats to abandon crippled Griffith, which conversation finally broke the latter when he overheard it. Casca was a trully horrible person.
I think you are just trying to read Berserk's story into Elden Ring and make the story of the latter conform with the former. Yes, all Soulsborne is filled with references to Berserk, which are almost always very explicit, such as the enemy and boss designs, but I think it is important to judge Elden Ring's story purely by what is given to us in the game and to not try to bring elements from other stories in order to try and figure out what happens in the game. I think completely different pictures of the characters are painted if you do such a thing.
Miyazaki is such a hack
He didn’t try convincing Radahan once of the items in the game says miquella can charm everyone but one miquella told Radahan his plan to usher in a age of compassion and we all know Radahan was nice a
So agreed to it but he needed to be killed and he was gonna die honorable so miquella sent his sister and when they dueled it ended in a stalemate and the scarlet rot didn’t kill Jim we the tarnished did and thts how Everything in dlc transpired
I think that Radahn either flat out refused or agreed initially only to back out later, but I don't think the battle of Aeonia was done for his pleasure.
Here is why I believe this:
From what I interpreted of the base game lore, Radahn has always looked up to Godfrey the heroic king who fought with noble purpose, not Hoarah Loux the bloodthirsty barbarian who fought for its own sake. Similarly, he looked up to his own father, whom he admired for being a heroic champion. It seems to me that Radahn has a greater fixation with heroism in war than he does for war itself like Freyja believes: that’s why I interpreted he fought against his siblings for the throne, seeing himself as heir to Radagon and Godfrey and thus, the only right choice in his own flawed view of what would be best for the broken world that needs a Lord. Therefore, I just can’t see him feeling very heroic in a war that he knows is being entirely fabricated for his own amusement.
Anwyay, I hope my perspective adds something to the conversation regarding this. Other than that, thank you for making this video: you pretty much adressed the elephant in the room and I've been dying to discuss the new lore ever since the DLC came out. Cheers!
Absolutely killer video mate. Love the detail and the honesty with speculation. Subbed x
if we assume the system of becoming a god in the towers require a lord for all cases, who was present when marika became a god, was it godfrey because he was the first elden lord or was it the father of messmer?
Loved hearing the rains of castamere in the background
Rains of Castamere was a shock to hear in the background
I feel like there is a secret ending, in the trailer we see miquella “purifying the tree” so I feel like there is something secret because we still haven’t seen that cinematic
Miqulla telling me to bow and let him and radahn fix the land between is funny because I already inherited the frenzied flame
Is that "the rains of castamere " from game of thrones playing in the background?😂
It sure is! Covered by the awesome @Farewelleon!
I didn’t play the dlc yet but I feel like considering radahns character I feel like he said “give me a good battle or defeat me in battle and I will be your consort” he did respect Godfrey the most also it could’ve been he sunt malenia to nuke him but i don’t get why if malenia was strong why she couldn’t be the consort is it because she was already god level?
Malenia couldn't be the consort because she's an Empyrean too.
I was big into the lore until the dlc now I could care less tbh I didn’t like any of it
Was wondering where Mohg's body went when i noticed the horns coming out from under Radhan's armor. What the hell did they feed him, he came out twice his previous size.
"goodbye brother" from GOT+ elden ring (Miquella, Radahn) = superduper goosebump
As Rhadan is the best character in Elden Ring I was so happy when he appeared before subsequently having that happiness beaten out of me by his two swords. Can’t wait for all the lore videos, it feels like almost every part of the lore has been expanded.
So this would be why Radahn has blood flake attacks in his first phase and omen horns on his body. Some of Mohg’s power remains
Rumor has it you can use mohg’s shackle in this fight
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I´ve seen some videos on the ending and still cant get my head wrapped up on what is it that lies ahead. Marika`s ascension and consort radahn is easy to understand. But what do we as tarnished do now? What were even out motivations to go to the land of shadows? We are lords of a new age. Did we just prevent a new order from forming via the marikas ascension with radahn? Someone please elaborate on this!
Finally some LORE!!!!
My Radahn would NEVER agree to this!! That predator forced him into ALL of this! He used Mogh! He used Radahn! He's pure evil!
Hey folks!
Just wanted to say thanks for all the views and positive feedback on this video. I've never had a video get anywhere close to this number of views, so I'm very grateful to everyone who engaged with this one.
I'll be dropping a follow up video on Tuesday taking a close look at all five sides of the debate about the vow between Miquella and Radahn. I have a pretty clear opinion on what I think happened, but I do believe all five sides are valid interpretations and I suspect we'll be arguing about which one is right forever!
By the way - I will attempt to corral my reDAHNS in that video, but my Philly accent is a force to be reckoned with, so no promises 🤣🤣🤣
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The champion of the festival is Radahn, Miquella meant it as a title rather than the result
This was what Malenia was whispering to him when she nuked Caelid.
The rain of castamere in the Background while talking about that actually broke my heart for some reason 🤣 I Not Sure howbi feel about about this all atm too. Lol I am just sad lol That's for Sure xD
George RR Martin
> agrees to co-write lore for Shadow of the Erdtree
> adds incest
>Refuses to elaborate further
> leaves
Does Malaenia act any different towards you after this if you haven’t fought her yet?
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I dont think Radahn was forced. He was promised, as a consort. And Miqella states that Radahn was fulfilling his promise.
Wait, if the betwitching over the followers ceased after Miquella broke his rune, then it was by the power of the great rune that he could charm people?
So it's NOT an intrinsic part of his being, but the effect of a external influence. It's not a power he was born with, but a power he acquiered... how?
The lore said that demigods claimed runes of the Elden Ring after the Shattering, but how did they do that if the Elden Ring was broken inside the Erdtree and then Radagon blocked the entrance?
Did the runes of the Elden Ring just flew out the Erdtree (kinda like the golden seeds) and went into the demigods? Why did the specific runes went to each demigods? Was it the Greater Will who chose who got which rune? Marika? Are the runes sentient, and they chose their demigods based on personality traits?
Either way, thre was a time when Miquella didn't have the power to bewitch people, and only had his intelligence to get by. Either way, the power to bewitch people was something IMPOSED into him; there's the possibility that he never CHOSE to have the power to take the free will of people!
A couple things, one the runes didn't fall away, its more likely that it was given to them from the start. Marika was keeping them in check. Some might have exchanged hands after the shattering. we know this is possible because the ruin of death which is death itself was removed.
Also the bewitching branch states that he knows how to compel affection so I think it was an innate power of his or something he created, just like how he created the bewitching branch.
Miquella has always had everyone love him, if you think about it not a single person in the base game has a negative thing to say to him. That's hells sus to me. The rune breaking and the charm breaking may be more correlation than causation. It states a great rune has broken and so too a powerful charm. It doesn't say the great rune broke the charm. The rune might have applified the effect of his power and thus breaking it broke the charm. another reason could be related to Radhan having to bring miquella through the divine gate as a god. when we arrive Radhan is already back we dont know for how long or anything. The face the ruin is broken maybe miquella having to go through process of becoming a god.
Miquella Order might have been one of good and honestly I would prefer it to any of the orders we choose. So there are only 3 reasons to kill him. 1. you feel bad for him and St Trina tells you that he will actually be caging himself. 2. You want to honour radhan and you feel this is a dishonour. 3, you feel miquella Order will be one off acceptance through manipulation lies and charms, lacking real freedom.
@@gilchristdavid8473 Interesting analysis.
I wonder where Miquella stands in the moral alignment chart. Personally i think he is the good guy, doing unspeakable things, and as the DLC states, ready to abandon everything, even his own fate, to make the world a better place. Ready to sacrifice everything and everyone for the greater cause, even if it's not morally or ethically acceptable in the eyes of many. Manipulating Mohg into kidnapping him, attempting to charm Radahn into becoming his consort, ascending to goodhood and mind control his way into achieving his ultimate goal, all of these thing he is very much aware of how fkin shady they are. But at the end of the day it's for the best, i guess.
I also really like the way St. Trina, his other half, feels about him. Begging you to kill him just to give him peace. "Don't turn the poor thing into a god; it would be his prison". I have no doubt Miquella himself is very aware of that too, so it think this also means he also really doesn't care much about what happens to him, he really, literally just wants to make the world a better, gentler place.
But at the end of the day, it all leads me to speculate that had he become a god, he would probably be a tyrannical ruler, much like his mother, given his power to literally mind control people into dogmatically following him in his age of compassion, so it's probably better that we stop him. As a precaution, and to give him the peace he needs, according to St. Trina. It's just speculation, though. It could have been the other way around. I can easily picture him being a truly benevolent, kind god. As he is supposed to be.
Man, i really like the little guy. Easily my favorite character in Elden Ring. Extremely complex, and very well written indeed. This is the ultimate Miyazaki W when it comes to character writing tbh.
@@tugoooooo idk, this is supposed to be the same guy who feed his own blood to a giant tree just to not desecrate the dead (he even went the next step and put his dead people in stone coffins), but here he is desecrating the dead.
Also, if he manipulated Mohg from the beginning, why embed himself in the Haligtree? Why not just leave with Mohg if he was forced into his plan all along?
He wasn’t praising malenia. I believe he calls you his loyal blade because you have dealt with messmer and the other dangers of the realm
I'm only wondering why Miquella had to divest himself of his body and ideals in the first place. Is that the only way he could ascend to godhood? It's explained that he needed a reformed Radahn to bring him back to full strength and into godhood, but why did it need to be done to begin with?
I love the winter is coming music in the background
I think he didn't accept miquella so melania saw him as a threat to miqualla becoming a god. (As when he's summoned by miquella he doesn't have his horse). After melania killed him, miqualla went to the shadow realm (in his sleep mohg takes him) to bring back radahn using mohgs body. To serve as a consort. This is when miqualla uses his charm thing to hypnotise radahn (hence why he doesn't have his horse, it could also be implied that due to him having horns, he also inherited mohgs obsession with miqualla and thus didn't leave too)
Why would radahn become an elden lord through consort if the person he idealised (godfrey) became elden lord through combat (hence why refusing miqualla resulted in melania seeing him as a threat)
Reading the armor descriptions, it's making me question why miquella wanted to revive radahn as his younger self? I wonder if radahn was extremely gullible in his younger years considering he will do anything, even conquering the stars, just because someone [said] a meteor will crash on sellia - which is a lie because the meteor landed on limgrave.
Honestly, the ending feels absurdly rushed. Having Radahn instead of Godwyn (even just his body), no closure on the Gloom Eyed Queen, no follow ups to anything about how Marika or Miquella became gods, and no choice to side with Miquella.
Compared to the ending of the original game, the DLC is lacking HARD. It feels everything up until Enir-Ilum was completed, but the very end was rushed through development.
Miyazaki sees this, be like imma cop that idea.
So after waiting two years for the DLC
the final boss is radahn? what a disappointment
Radahn's only love was his horse 🐎
i appreciate the video
But nothing in the game show us that Radhan accept the proposition of Miquella. And why he would want that ?
I think that he didn't wanted to be the consort of Miquella and that is why he stopped stars, he wanted to stop his fate. Knowing that, Miquella had no choice to beat Radhan, and so he send Malenia to kill him. I said to "kill" him because he already knew how to become a god and so he had already a plan to revive him. And in this story the poor Radhan after been hit by the bloom of Malenia, really didn't want to die because he knew Miquella would use him, so he prefer become a dog for the eternity and scream to the stars.
The question is "how Miquella can now send an entire army to kill Radhan without be seen has a fuckin piece of shit ?" Easy answer, he has to create a fuckin war in the entire between land, so he orchestrated the black-knife assassin night with the help of Ranni. I think it's the truth because it's ranni that give us the bell that can summon spirits, and she has to give it to the master of torrent, which was miquella "horse". Don't forget she "has to", so someone ask her to give us this bell. Ranni and Miquella are linked
In that story, no problem if everyone die, including Malenia and Godwyn, Miquella's beloved brother and sister, because if he is a god, he will revive them.
I really think that we currently don't know how deep Miquella destroys the entire land-between in order to become a god. The conspiration of Miquella is SO DEEP that in some theories video, some people explains that Miquella even participate to the transformation of Rikard, because the only problem in all that plan is Maliketh, which can kill everyone, so he planified the transformation of Rykard and ranni give him a tool to be able to stop Maliketh.
Miquella is the most terrifying character in all the story of Elden Ring.
Im still trying to understand why they put marikas home village as the shaman village in the hinterlands behind the shadow keep
I think the numens arrived on the land of shadow and settled there. The hornent people called them shamans, but they look down on them. Then, they decided to stuff the shamans into pots for religious practices. Everyone in the shaman village was slowly disappear and Marika became desperate until she decided to become a god. Unfortunately, it was too late and she was the only one behind. So, Marika took revenge on the horsent people and started her new age. She also ordered Mesmer to continue the war against the Hornsent while protecting her empty village. They may also try to fix the shamans who are stuffed into pots. You can find an infirmary filled with jar people in the shadow keep.
This DLC is straight up berserk story arc. Radhan is ZOD and miquella is gryfith
sorry if i didn’t get this from the video - but why are we actually trying to stop miquella in the first place? why would we not simply join him?
From my understanding If you find saint trina it’s basically said that along with shedding his physical flesh he also shed stuff like his love fear etc so he basically changed personality’s
He used to be this guy who actually loved ppl
Now he’s heartless and will essentially enslave ppl against their will to achieve his goals
For example during the boss fight he can grab you and charm you basically insta killing you with the text saying heart stolen
He’s stripped you of your free will and made you his slave
He’d become this dictator like marika only difference is no one could resist him
Summary: Everyone simps for Miquella
Radahn ended up becoming more like his idol godfrey than anyone else
Hmmm, I feel like we are missing something. Elden ring has abit of a fuller picture but the DLC gave rise to more questions than answers. I mean we are still about a week in on the DLC.
Miyazaki did say the community missed out on a clue and no one picked it up. I wonder if it’s this. But it’s so weird that he hid almost everything from the players. Is he one who gravitates to mere surprise element? Or has there been something else?
Still, the memory maybe something Miyazaki wanted to spur us to find. The real consort maybe? Or Could it be miquella wanted Godwyns body and radhans soul? I mean miquella been wishing Godwyns true death as well. With that mix and match , it would have been perfect consort even more powerful than our tarnished. And Since he can’t get godwyn, he went for mogh.
I guess we need maybe 1 year time to get more information
Why did Miquella mention placidusax and what he did? I'm curious. Seen it in one of their trailers
I really really wish they focused a little more on lore. I know that every item has a description and stuff but like common I don’t wanna read every little bit to get the full story. Love the game but man they need to make a movie or a show or like just give me the damn lore haha
Like the focused on Marika and Messmer but then didn’t really explain what it was we say in the story trailer. Unless I completely missed stuff.
Honestly something about the Malenia & Radahn feels off, almost reeks jealousy & envy.
Maybe Malenia was not chosen or destined to be consort. Maybe she tried to take my boy & his horse out to get the consort role by default… wild theory though.
She had a mad obsession w/ her twin
Srry to be that guy but what’s the song played in the second half of the vid? Thank you 🙏
Rains of Castamere (House Lannister theme) from Game of Thrones, I think an instrumental version
If Godwyn had never been killed would Miquella had chosen him instead of Radahn?
I’m still confused like Wdf🤦🏿 are they not adding another dlc I feel like this explains nothing
So what was even the point of us going into the DLC? What was the purpose/goal?
So, since we are now talking about DLC lore, here are some thoughts about it:
-We know from the Remembrance that Miquella wanted Radahn as his consort since childhood, but it isn’t stated anywhere that Radahn agreed to it or even that he had a choice. It is entirely possible that Radahn did not become a promised consort because he wanted to, but because Miquella’s “heartfelt wish” simply became part of Radahn’s fate. There would be no need for Miquella to bewitch Radahn if the general cannot escape his fate.
-Except that Radahn does escape his fate, because he conquered the stars, as we know from the base game. And that is where the Battle of Aeonia comes in: it is highly unlikely that Malenia was unaware of Miquella’s plan; after all the twins are not rivals like the other demigods are, they’re quite close. The battle would be unnecessary if Radahn had agreed to become Miquella’s consort, but since he didn’t, Miquella sends Malenia to Caelid in order to kill Radahn while he bewitches Mohg.
-Through Sir Ansbach questline we learn that Miquella used Mohg to access the Land of Shadow, which he needed to do in order to become a god and later revive Radahn (and is also the place where the creator of the Scarlet Rot, Romina, is; and we know Miquella was trying to cure Malenia, so I don’t think it is a coincidence). But while he succeeds in his part of plan, Malenia does not. As she releases her scarlet rot across Caelid, Radahn hears a whisper that tells him Miquella is waiting for him, a sign that he was supposed to die in that battle in order to be revived as Miquella’s consort. By surviving Malenia’s Scarlet Aeonia, Radahn loses his mind, but keeps his freedom.
-However, while blocking his own fate with his victory over the stars, Radahn also blocked Ranni’s fate, interfering with her plans. Perhaps it wasn’t even what he intended, but it motivated Ranni to get rid of him. Which she does, by sending to the festival the only individual who has a chance against Radahn: our Tarnished. Due to the influence of his sister (or due to Alexander telling us about the festival; funny how either a demigod or a jar can be the cause of Radahn’s damnation), the general dies and his soul is now vulnerable to Miquella.
-In the Land of Shadow, Miquella succeeds in becoming a god and manages to revive Radahn, now under his direct control. We can say his plan is a success, and the only reason Miquella’s victory is short lived is because our Tarnished, literally the strongest individual in the Lands Between, fights his/her way through the Land of Shadow and kills Miquella before he can do anything with his newfound power, thus ending Miquella’s “gentle world” before it can even begin.
-I suppose this puts into perspective just how important our Tarnished really is. The only reason characters like Ranni, Fia, Shabriri, Brother Corhyn and even the Dung Eater in his own twisted way, have a chance of accomplishing their objectives is the fact that they bring our Tarnished to their side, and even then it all boils down to whether or not we want to help them. Looking at it from a lore perspective, Miquella’s only mistake is the fact that he doesn’t think to recruit the individual who not only took down Radahn the first time, but also defeated Messmer, Romina, Rellana and even a revived Radahn in his prime.
-Miquella’s key to success would be offering the tarnished the chance to serve him, or perhaps more accurately, being blessed by the devs with his own ending, which could very well have been planned at some point because we can side with Leda twice during the DLC, we can rat out other NPCs to her, and if I am not mistaken we were told the DLC would have some “choices” in it (dammit FromSoftware this was the perfect opportunity, there should be an ending where you side with Miquella and I will die on this hill).
(Sorry for the long post, I just really liked the lore in the DLC).
to add on to Radahn not working with Miquella is that by holding the stars Radahn prevented Miquella from killing (or reviving) Godwyn
Actually, i think Malenia knew the plan
If u read the description in his younger helm, Radahn heard Malenia mumble before she nuke the caelid : “Miquella await thee, promise consort”
It could also be that it was never Miquella's fate to get to the point of ushering in his new era. I like the theory that Miquella's curse is actually 'unlimited potential' (infinite youth and never growing up can be the symbolism for this) while Malenia's curse is 'unlimited actuality'. Both opposites of each other in true twin fashion lol Miquella may of had all the power to usher in an age of compassion but none of it was real, his love was a spell after all. Essentially the god of what could have been
@@lanxinus4154 Indeed. Pretty cruel on Malenia's part, as she is basically saying to Radahn that he is going to lose his life and later his freedom, but it basically confirms she was involved.
Technically if the Tarnished gets their heart stolen in the final fight then Miquella does ‘bring them to his side’
i just realized that radahn uses bloodflame magic because of using mohgs body
That just clicked with me, I always felt that that attack was completely out of place but it makes sense now haha.
it adds a sense that your fighting 3 demigods as the final battle
Isn't a point to be made that this creature is not exactly Radahn? And more like a puppet of some sorts controlled by miquella?
Yeah you have to do Ansbach's quest to learn that. He tells you that Mohg's body was taken away to Miquella as soon as he was defeated, later you find a scroll and give it to him and he tells you it's to resurrect Radahn into Mohg's body
Mogh was Moghlested....My boi did nothing wrong! So Miquella, made his sister Melina, Rahdahn and even Mogh fall in love with him forcefully. P. Diddy in child's form
It doesn't have to be. Is it really that unlikely for Malenia to really care about Miquella? Leda still follows him even after the spell is broken.
If you ignore everything related to the Blood Mother, then he did nothing wrong.
Your hornor the only crime of my client is all the crime he commits
Nah mans got Miquellested 😭😭😭
I think you mean Malenia... Melina is the one that sticks with us to eventually burn the Erdtree.
He may have forced Rahdan to become his consort. Not only does his eyes glow, but in his 2nd phase with Mik on his back, he can charm you for a 1 hit kill. (You will be on your knee worshipping him.)
His age of "compassion" is a forced one. You will lose your sanity and freedom for compliance - no different than his mother with the Golden Order. (Losing grace and exiled.)
I have a different thought about Rahdan being forced to be his consort.
In the early part of DLC, Miquella lost his charmed power. Rahdan is frightening in his own will in the last battle
I have a theory that Mohg's soul is still inside his body somehow. In the second phase, Rahdan will use blood curse to attack you which only people bless by the formless mother can do.
Miquella's Age will brainswash everyone to stop fighting but Miquella will also cage forever inside the tree. He does make huge sacrifices to do that.
@@Baslium With the grab attack in the final phase I don't think he lost his charming. When he broke his own great rune it shattered the charms in place, but I think the breaking of it was something to do with his ascension at the gate and imbuing his power into his new form.
The only way to not get 2 shot by the grab attack in the 2nd phase is to use the rune to resist his charm. The description of it even explicitly states that it *only* has that power anymore, implying that the rest has been taken outside the rune, which makes sense if Miquella wanted to defy the golden order as well.
@@acidicreaver3024 I ain't tellin you to get it, but you do find the remains of his rune that can protect you from the charming. The weird part is you get it at the bottom of the Scadutree.
miquella is the worst. even his other half st trina said to take him out lol
Where are we getting the idea that Miquella wants to rob everyone of "sanity and freedom"?
so those are omen horns on Radahn's arms! thought it was just his armor.
well noticed
Because Miquella steal mogh corpse and make it a vessel for radahn soul, that's why new radahn has omen horn in his arm, and he able to do mogh blood skill
Leftovers from Mogh.
little leftovers from a mohg corpse
Hes also tiny from the og radahn which signify hes not in hes own body
Things this DLC left out:
We get new lore about a little sister of Messmer (probably Melina) but she doesn't get an appearance.
We didn't get an answer or anything about the Marika/Radagon thing. (They could've use the Miquella/St. Trina stuff to just answer that)
Miyazaki said that Marika became a God in the Land of Shadows but how? By the same method as Miquella or she use the Mother of Fingers?
By some reason The Land of Shadows has Death Knights serving the Prince of Death but we get nothing about Godwyn.
The Gloam Eyed Queen didn't get even a mention or anything.
Wondering if there's not a sequel planned. A lot of loose ends that can still be explored
Instead we get a boy who likes a strongman😭
This. I was really hoping for something that would change how the original game was viewed, some huge lore drops that reshaped what we knew, like Gael and the painter starting a whole new cycle in DS3, but we didn’t really get anything like that at all. Miquella just did the Marika thing so we have to fight Radahn a 2nd time and kill another demigod. Technically two, but Messmer had the decency to have a good fight
@@Morgan_BC mesmmer is a badasss
gonna wait elden ring 2 in 10years later for the answer maybe
Honestly, the Band of Miquella at the beginning made a lot of sense in a very dark way. All of those individuals had the capacity to become lords of their own. Each a legendary champion. If the entire Band worked together all the way to the end, Radahn and Miquella would have been stopped honestly quite consistently.
Moore is unbelievably tanky, Leda with lightning damage. Ansbach and Hornsent with evasiveness and bleed. Freya with raw toe-to-toe damage. Dryleaf Dane covering a lot of offense and defense bases. Thiollier with evasive support. Of course the Tarnished of No Renown being a variable lord themself.
The whole point of bringing them together was to ultimately destroy them all or leave them utterly crippled so the plan could continue. Problem is, Miquella truly underestimated how absolutely tenacious the Tarnished of No Renown is.
they all get stomped by our tarnished at the same time canonically tbh so they ain't stopping radahn lol. and thats with them together. you can't become a lord as a group, so as singular people, i wouldn't say they had the capacity to become lords of their own at all. not stat wise of course but lore wise, they'd probably lose to margit at worst and renalla or morgott at best.
@@EfecanYSL Idk man they are so tanky, they might actually beat them and besides that, not all of them want to be Lords, so technically they could coexist.
Lots of bad takes. Lore wise they'd all get stomped no diff
He's so Griffith like holy shit
@@ancientbanana2449 He's not. People are propagating lazy and erroneous takes about Miquella. Wait until Vaati or SmoughTown the lore videos. Miquella isn't the monster some people are painting him to be
The complete silence and eerie glowing eyes lead me to believe that Radahn is just a puppet at this point. Radahn was an intelligent guy, he's quite capable of articulating his own thoughts on a given matter. But he doesn't, at any point. There's no reason for him to be completely silent, and it is unsettling.
In my opinion, either the Rot permanently shredded his mind to such an extent that a new body wouldn't fix it, or Miquella has charmed him to hell and back.
Def mequella charming him since it's his whole thing
"Radahn was an intelligent guy, he's quite capable of articulating his own thoughts on a given matter." Source?
@@mellar5864 "Master of gravity magic" - gravity magic generally relies on _intelligence_ and he had enough strength of mind to continue holding the stars back while his brain was rotted. That's not dumb muscle.
So the 'kind' one turned out to be the most 'messed up' one!!
They've been saying since the base game he was the "most fearsome" of the demigods
@@sparxskywriter2589 because of his allure, not because of his deeds in particular. Yk I still simp for Ranni but what she did to Godwyn seems to be utterly horrifying.
Yeh Godwyn was described as the greatest of the demigods, perhaps he was the only decent one? We will never know cause they didn't cook well enough for this dlc lore@@dice5709
@@dice5709 ranni's goal to get rid of her fingers and give herself freedom as well as everyone else is a good one and for a radical change like that there will be hard choice and sacrifices. i'm also assuming for the ritual to work and for her to lose only her body, someone else had to lose their soul. the question is why did she choose godwyn out of all other demi-gods, was it a condition in order for the numen assassins to help ranni with the scheme so they can get revenge on marika who betrayed them?
Dude is like an androgynous chimera. Of course he is messed up.
a theory i kinda dont see alot of people talk about with fair reason but still kinda interesting. is that radhan wanted nothing more than to be like godfrey and follow in his footsteps to be like a son to him. what a coincedence that the body he ends up being revived into is the son of his personal hero. I know its more likely because as an omen mohgs body is immortal and doesnt need to return to the edtree and ressurect. but its still something to think about along with the other theories. a promise made perhaps when he was younger and didnt realize the weight of those words
Dude, I was just thinking about that this morning. This seems like the most logical explaination to me. Radahn was a Godfrey fanboy, so why would he pass up the opportunity to be the lord of a new age.
I could totally see that. Radahn and Miquella as kids talking about their goals. Miquella as young people promises radahn if he becomes god he would become his consort since radahn is such a fan of the godfrey ideology. Radahn grows up and becomes great in his own right, but since miquella is cursed to youth, he still has the same mindset he did as a child. So it sort of creates an obsession. He did all of this to get radahn as his consort. All the people he killed, abandoned, and betrayed.
@@eyesofthebeast that would be interesting that miquella is not just cursed from growing up phisically but mentally
I feel like the ending doesn't actually add anything. The actual ending I mean, not everything else. Like you beat the final boss and then you see a memory that is basically just talking about him saying exactly what just happened.
Agreed
I REALLY fucking hope there’s going to be a sequel for the dlc or even a new game because wtf. SOOO many things lore wise were left tf out and the ending is trash. Like we still don’t even know who tf Melina really is and her backstory
Exactly, it's just "yeah, Miquella always wanted this" and so long, DLC's over
its unfinished, dark souls 3 tier. probably went through dozen rewrites last year
@@sweetgee9589 His*
Right now I'm about 85% for the 4th option.
I don't see Radahn as the sort that would simply "bow" to the will of another. It also adds some credence to a possible _second_ reason why Radahn halted the stars: to stop Fate (not actually for Ronni but for *_HIMSELF_* ) Miquella could have potentially known how to halt or stop or manipulate whatever Fate is in this game (as he willingly discarded his St. Trina aspect which in the cutscene was his called his Fate).
This also adds weight to the reason why the War of Aeonia occurred. The armor item (Young Lion Armor) even mentions that Malenia was apparently AWARE that Radahn wasn't Miquella's kidnapper. (Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort). This essentially adds the final bit of evidence needed that Miquella _STARTED_ the Aeonian War and was willingly kidnapped by Mohg, and also fooled millions of people into their deaths.
This essentially means we might be fighting an absolutely subjugated version of Radahn, having being brought back to the world of the living postmortem.
I honestly believe that Radahn has been forced to be a consort of sorts in one way or another but while he was alive blatantly refused to be one so a alternative is to kill him and bring him back in a more moldable, subservient form as seen in the dlc. Man has been done more dirty than the smear campaign against Mogh lmao.
Radahn didn't bow to Miquella as in being subjugated by him. When they were both young, Miquella asked Radahn if he would become his Lord if Miquella was able to reach Godhood, thus creating their vow to each other. And by the way, Miquella's charm only makes you like him, it doesn't grant full out mind control AND it wears off eventually. I feel like the halting of the stars has more to do with stopping outer of space monster like Astel coming into their world
@@HuMaNise34 Radahn probably agreed to the vow initially because before the shattering only an empyrean was fated to ascend to godhood so Radahn becoming the consort of the most fearsome empyrean the one most likely to be the god of a new age was probably a good deal at the time but after the shattering Radahn could've changed his mind. However Miquella would not be denied his promised lord and his chance to fix the old order with a gentler touch.
I agree with you, that would explain why Malenia goes to Caelid to kill Radhan by Miquella's request, who let himself be kidnapped by Mogh to be able to go the shadow realm.
Maybe even using Moghs body was in some way able to link Moghs infautation for Miquella with Radhan
I call shenanigans. Radahn idolized Godfrey and styled himself a warmonging general.
Meanwhile, we know that Godwyn won the war against freaking dragons by the power of friendship, spared and even incorporated the dragons into the system.
It should have been Godwyn!
Godwyn was more like a father to them, yes he was their brother but the statues show that he protected and looked after them. so they probs saw him as a parental figure rather than a partner.
Now that I think about it why wasn't it? Literally keep the same lore but use Godwin. Combine his lore and say "he is death in soul but not in body thus we take new body for his soul. That being mogh's body" Would have been cool
@@boyanpetrov9975 the issue is the deathblight, if his body was taken as a vessel likely any soul put into it would likely go the same way as godwyn's soul. disintegrate to goop.. also if you saw godwyn's body in the game it became nothing but a very large and deformed mushroom tree. the mushroom tree would not be able to move around as well as where it is located, it'd be next to impossible to get that large of a mass out of where it was.
so to put it forward, no, if anything it'd make no sense for that to happen and it'd give far more questions than answers on how did miquella get any form of godwyn out of the hole they put his body in as well as how did miquella fix the vessel to be free of deathblight when even godwyn's friendly dragon could not.
Personally, I think it would've been Godwyn if he was able to die a true death
@zuziiice8907 you misunderstood me. I meant not for godwyn's body but his soul. Let the body stay there but use moghs body as a new vessel for godwyn's soul. And either make it a deathblight boss or say that death blight is only on his old body
If a lords soul has to be returned... what does that say about our tarnished? 🤔
This is actually a fantastic point. Our hero might just be a random body possessed by the soul of a Tarnished.
It's an RPG they will never confirm anything about ur character the whole idea is that it is whatever you want it to be
SO, ARE WE GODWYN?
@@danielrobinson7872 maybe that soul possessing our Tarnished is us, the players. We use the Tarnished of our choosing (astrologer, gladiator, etc) with each having their own backstory, to experience the lands between
@@soraeverblue not to mention the start of the game is something entering our body(could be our soul)
Hundreds of millions of lives lost during the shattering war, demigods slaughtered, a literal God put to the sword, and a realm torn apart…..beCAUSE MIQUELLA HAD A CRUSH?!?!?!?!?!
that is LAUGHABLY inaccurate, but still pretty funny XD
@@flamingmanure Glad you got a laugh out of it xD wasn’t trying to be accurate really lol
To clarify, the Ranni's ending was mistranslated. Its about making a world without the influence of gods, guiding light or grace. The freedom of stars with no god looking down. True freedom.
A noble goal, but you know, she stole the rune of death and had 30 assassins murder her brother. Miquella definitely wouldn't be happy with his twin sister... Regardless they had a similar goal, just Ranni' involved a lot more bloodshed.
I mean Miquella also sent Malenia to kill Radahn, which led to Caelid being nuked. They're both not above killing their siblings to achieve their goals.
technically, if you choose to believe that Radagon wasn't always Marika, Godwyn wasn't her brother. Godwyn's father was Godfrey, and mother was Marika. Ranni's parents were Radagon and Renala
@@joesaiditstrue There's also the angle of did Ranni ever see Godwyn as her brother. Yeah, Marika officially adopted her + her sibs as royal stepchildren, but from Ranni's POV, Marika is the woman her father abandoned Rennala for and left her mentally broken. Ranni probably also doesn't know Radagon = Marika, so any kinship she feels towards Godwyn is likely nil.
Ranni's ending also doesn't imply that free will is eradicated. Miquella literally wants to force everybody to his will. Ranni wants to free them from the will of gods like MIquella.
Without god all is left with aimlessly existence. Ranni ending is the age of depression.
I think Radahn refused. I think the battle of Aeonia was part of the conditions that miquella needs to steal the heart of Radahn so he could have a fully compliant lord consort strong enough to topple the Golden Order. His armor set states “When Melania, Blade of Miquella, let the rot flower bloom in Aeonia she whispered these words in his ear. ‘Miquella is waiting, promised consort’” I think the battle was intended to lay the groundwork for Radahn’s subjugation. He could only be subjugated after his death and that’s why he fought so hard to live through it and why melenia was willing to sacrifice her pride to make it happen. That’s the only justification I can think of for Radahn leaving Leonard behind, he only learned gravity magic to ride his beloved steed after all.
you beat everyone on the lore explanation video. thanks
I just thought of something interesting. I believe that Miquella sent Melania to kill Radahn just before charming Mohg to kidnap him from his cocoon without Melania knowing so that he could travel to the land of shadow to intercept Radahn’s soul thinking that Melania would be successful. Upon killing Radahn, Melania would then return to the Haligtree and find Miquella gone. She would then track him to Mogh and kill him, not knowing that it was Miquella’s doing, thus giving Miquella the required resources to resurrect Radahn by using and manipulating his own sister.
Now of course this doesn’t go to plan and we, the Tarnished, are the ones that deliver Radahn and Mogh to Miquella.
I’m going to feel so bad killing them from now on.
@@captainlorax400 I thought about this too at first and Malenia has been my favorite character since day one, so the thought of Miquella using her or charming her when she was already in so much pain made me furious. But then I also thought about how Malenia was just so devoted to Miquella from the start that there wasn’t even a need to charm her. She was as loyal as loyalty can get so he didn’t charm her and told her all of his plans. She most likely willingly went along with them, not caring if she died for the cause because Miquella could supposedly bring her back even after death as a god. Basically Miquella’s idea boils down to: “I want to be a god so I’ll do whatever corrupt and terrible things I have to do to get there and then I’ll fix it all later.”
@@dude_boi6677and people are saying he isn't Griffith...
@@SuperFizzah literally griffith but less narcissistic
a machiavellian saviour you can call
@@SuperFizzah Yeah straight up, the whole time I was playing and talking to Ansbach I took note of how Miquella was so good that it makes him evil in a way. Even if Malenia agreed to the plans and could be brought back to life later, should she have died, it’s still suspicious that Miquella was so willing to send his sister to war. I know I wouldn’t even if I could bring her back, and I don’t think Malenia would be willing to send Miquella to war if the rolls were reversed. The hypocrisy and blind faith in Miquella’s plan is so obvious. And also, how could he even know for sure that he’d have resurrecting abilities? Because Marika sure didn’t. Malenia was used in a way, even if she was willing.
What a great video. It's clear that by the time the Tarnished (the player) comes into the Lands Between, Miquella has already devised many things, including using Mohg to get to the "Shadow realm", where one could become a God, outside of the Order (perhaps) controlled by the Greater Will.
My guess is that the scarlet rot "traps" Radahn's soul in the world of the living, without being touched by Death (and therefore, it is not 'recycled'). This would allow Miquella to use Mohg's soulless body to reincarnate Radahn. Makes you think of Ranni/Godwyn.
The Rains Of Castemere playing in the background
I understand why they did Rahdahn but it should have been Godwyn 😬
- Miquella also refers to Godwyn as "Lord brother" in golden epitaph wishing for him to have a true death
-Godwyn failed resurrection at castle sol
-Miquella wanting to save "Those who live In Death"
-Miquella becomes a God and with that Godwyn, the prince of death ascends to Lord/King of Death
-Bringing it full circle with Godwyn being death being the catalyst for the shattering and ending it with not just his resurrection but giving Godwyn the "Lordling" a true death.
Godwyn was dead in soul: yea, his body was alive, but his soul was dead
In the end you still get insidious, manipulative Miquella but at least reviving Godwyn makes a little more sense
HELL he bewitched Mogh into making the MoghWYN dynasty literally fusing their names.
@@user-sp3pn2cs4e to me, this DLC is disappointing. Yea, beautiful map and world building, new items, it's like an Elden Ring 1.50... but too much hype. In the end, we do not know anything, just miquella's plan. That's it.
Messmer? Semi-explained, but not much.
Gloam-eyed queen? Nah.
The DLC story trailer shows Marika holding a golden thread taken from a corpse. The golden order (before the exile of the rune of death) was born this way? IDK
Let's just wait theories, but to me the lore is a big disappointment
EDIT: after some weeks, a lot of lore has been revealed, and itbis amazing, but this DLC is a little disappointing anyway
I certainly think Godwyn would have been more interesting as a final boss but, at the end of the day, this is what we got and if we want to piece together the lore and the story we just have to work with what we are given.
@@mr.wooper6605and where does all thing dead go? The lands of shadow.
I wonder if Messmer & Melina's father is Midra, Lord of the Frenzied Flame? Both Messmer & Melina have kindling within them that can burn the Erdtree & the trailer talked about an affair. Maybe Marika had Messmer & Melina while Godfrey was away fighting the fire giants.
my theory is that the father is the fell god, it can burn the Erdtree, the golems are connected to it, and both Melina and Messmer both have red hair
Unfortunately there is a body in Midra's castle that holds an item called 'Nanaya's Torch' and the body has the same clothes that the lady in the painting with Midra has so its probably not Marika.
I feel like the 'affair' might refer to an agreement between Marika and an outer god to have her be the vessel for the elden ring. idk tho...Could also maybe refer to the initial joining of Marika and Radagon (if they were ever separate to begin with, which in itself is up for debate)
No, only child of Radagon whose had a red hair
I think Radagon is the father not only because of the red hair but also "Messmer" follows the naming convention of the demigod siblings (Miquella/Malenia, Ranni/Rykard/Radahn) and when he takes off his helmet he's similar in appearance to Malenia
All you see in the DLC is the steps and path Marika took to become a goddess before coming to the Lands Between , I think she had Messmer and Melina before ever meeting Godfrey. If we go by the steps Miq took to become a god at the divine gate, Merika needed a lord and the only lord you fight in the land of shadows is Sage Midra. The lady we see in the pictures in Midras Manse is Merika but going by Nanaya. Now my theory is that she gave birth two the two children Messmer and Melina they were both Demi gods or Empyreans each a host to an Outer God one the flame of rune and the other death. She sends Messmer back to the land of shadows to enact her revenge for the Shaman people, and we know what happens to Melina
honestly im a little bit disapointed in that ending, but i know we still didnt connect all the dots so i have still hope
wheres that final cutscene when in the first teaser trailer
@@Nolimitsbestfriend what?
@@NolimitsbestfriendIt's not in the game
@@LSB44446 unfortunate
So why did miquella choose radahn as his consort instead of melania
Because He Can Never Be His Own Man....... So He Got The One He Looked Up To The Most
It makes no sense that Radahn would willingly choose to be his consort. He held back the stars because he was destined to align with Miqeulla, and Ms. Goddess of Rot had to make sure he couldn't do so anymore.
We know none of this, but we knoe almost nothing now because they completely threw in some random BS lol
Miquella probably ordered Malenia to kill Radahn so he can get his soul, even though she failed to do so.
Dude really did everything he could to not be trapped with Dark Souls Femto
Read the Young Radahn’s armor set, and then watch the story trailer to the main game, especially the part where Malenia and Radahns fight is shown
The vow of consort was very probably based on the premise that radhan dies in a battle. He is the warmongering warrior type so it makes sense that he accepted to be a consort IF he fell in battle
That's something that I noticed people complaining about, the lack of an explanation to what's going on, except there is plenty of lore that tells you what's going on, you just have to look for it
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I was expecting more from the ending, like Radahn didn't say anything, and Miquella died without any dialogue. Its a good DLC but story wise the ending is kinda mid.
So just something I think is interesting that i'd like to add as to why Radahn could be forced into this:
Radahn still had Marika's golden glow in his eyes until he was infected with scarlet rot. Siding with Miquella willingly would mean that Radahn would go against Marika, so he would have lost grace sooner. We know that Marika will drop anybody who is no longer of use to her, as she did with Godfrey.
Also, I think there's definitely some symbolism of Miquella wrapping his arms around Radahn's neck.
Just something I thought would he cool to mention, I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks tho
Godfrey WAS useful for her: As a trump card to sweep the Lands Between and and make a glorious return to Lordship in case the demigods would fail to duke it out conclusive. Likely, Godfrey was aware and on board with plan
This dlc proves miquella is the real villian and mohg was the victim.
I might go with the theory that either Radahn changed his mind, or he might have been compelled at first. Later after the shattering/acquiring a great rune, breaks out of a spell. I think this because timeline wise, if Radahn said yes, what was stopping him and Miquella from becoming a lord and god soon after the shattering? I don't know if Miquella needed to destroy his flesh in order to do it, Marika seemed able to become a god and keep her flesh. Malenia's words to Radahn also seem more ominous than anything as well, but I guess it's up to interpretation.
Radahan didn’t want to go down without getting the final battle and when he did duel the strongest person maleina he was supposed to go to realm of shadow but he didn’t he stayed and got eternal aids and we the tarnished killed him and put miquella plan into motion