Dan's ignorance of facts regarding Ukraine war is shocking. How can one make suggestions regarding stopping funding to Ukraine without understanding that Russia has never indicated it is open for good faith negotiation and made its intentions clear when they deliberately targeted and bombed maternity ward just a week ago. Do some basic research. How am I supposed to take anything this guy seriously in future? Good on Noah for politely pushing back.
The guest has some pushback for Noah on many topics but it doesn’t go further than the first disagreement - nothing deeper. Noah, on the other hand can talk forever (haha) and comes away looking much better for it.
great episode! I think in some cases Dan doesn't have as much background as Noah and it shows, but the pushback is useful, particularly since the positions that Dan has *are* common positions in the discourse, even if they aren't quite accurate.
If Noah is the person on the right with the glasses, I would push back on your comment to say that he makes very definitive qualitative statements without much quantitative justification and you can make an argument rhetorically correct that is incorrect based on some past incorrect minor statements peppered throughout. I’m not saying he’s intentionally doing that, but if I was the person arguing with him, I would have to call out so many minor statements it would be no point his argument or Juliet in writing with footnotes otherwise, I just can’t really buy into a completely.
His comments I just heard on Ukraine is a great example he use the example of a Russian parade getting bombed as some sort of justification for continuing that war. When the numbers to be measured clearly would be the amount of Real Estate that Ukraine has gained back the amount of lives, lost the impact on the American budget And a lot of things that could be put into a spreadsheet that aren’t plus, I think all parades are stupid so maybe that comment flash a red light to me. Also, I dictate these comments so there’s liable to be typos and it gets too long. Sorry I’m actually doing something else while I say this. Haha
Why would Ukraine agree to a cease fire with Russia if it only gave Russia a year or two to ramp up their war effort. Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons in return for guarentees which proved worthless. A cease fire is just Orwellian language for surrender. For a cease fire to work Ukraine would need to be part of NATO
I had to stop midway due to Dan's frequent interruptions. The earlier videos on this channel were incredible, but Erik had to bring Dan and ruin it. It used to be a great Econ 102 resource, now it feels more like a Twitter dispute.
Yeah this guy was insanely frustrating to listen to. He kept killing the flow of the conversation by either bringing up barely tangential rebuttals or naive questions.
@@LucyLarkspur Exactly. First, he tried to put words into Noah's mouth (Trump's words fascist, not actions / Republicans care about output, not input). Then, he fights on issues on which neither of them are experts and had to look up on the internet. The show is called Econ 102, not know-it-all foreign policy experts. If he has an axe to grind, why doesn't he do it on his Moment of Zen podcast?
Dan is such a shockingly low value voice on anything, but especially geopolitics. Please stop inviting him to these and wasting everyone’s time. Jesus Christ.
Dan contributes about as much as cringey Reddit commenters. Quit this episode and out halfway through. If the goal is to have guests to debate with, get someone better please.
I disagree. I think Dan's comments are great, and much needed. They generally help Noah explain certain thoughts, and expand on background info. This is how we get some of Noah's best teachings.
Im playing devils advocate b/c i have made the same argument that what people are calling fascism isn’t but I did listen to the “dictators” podcast and they read the Fascist manifesto and it’s interesting read, because there are lines in it that do sound like it’s mostly about machismo they say things like living up to the ideal of the Italian male and the rejection of all things feminine it’s almost silly if it wasn’t so real. So I can see why people would use it as a description of a type of person, instead of the definition of the melting of industry and state which it is.
Is this a bot comment because this doesn’t seem to be clipped from anything the guy was speaking at the start of it and their names are on the intro screen which makes me wonder why you would make that comment I’ll go look at your channel.
I don't always align with Noah, particularly on politics, but he's always brimming with interesting ideas & insights; this one was no exception. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Noah! (he actually blocked me on X for defending Vivek, but he's still my favorite economist, and I listen to the pod/read his blog religiously haha).
“I haven’t read it” kind of defines Dan’s contributions to this conversation…
What a great episode! Got some spice in this one!
Dan's ignorance of facts regarding Ukraine war is shocking. How can one make suggestions regarding stopping funding to Ukraine without understanding that Russia has never indicated it is open for good faith negotiation and made its intentions clear when they deliberately targeted and bombed maternity ward just a week ago. Do some basic research. How am I supposed to take anything this guy seriously in future? Good on Noah for politely pushing back.
The guest has some pushback for Noah on many topics but it doesn’t go further than the first disagreement - nothing deeper. Noah, on the other hand can talk forever (haha) and comes away looking much better for it.
great episode! I think in some cases Dan doesn't have as much background as Noah and it shows, but the pushback is useful, particularly since the positions that Dan has *are* common positions in the discourse, even if they aren't quite accurate.
damn the guest seems like he's shaking with anger lol
He clearly is NOT a foreign policy expert .
Just listened to this...No disrespect but Dan seems under informed to be Noah's sparring partner.
If Noah is the person on the right with the glasses, I would push back on your comment to say that he makes very definitive qualitative statements without much quantitative justification and you can make an argument rhetorically correct that is incorrect based on some past incorrect minor statements peppered throughout. I’m not saying he’s intentionally doing that, but if I was the person arguing with him, I would have to call out so many minor statements it would be no point his argument or Juliet in writing with footnotes otherwise, I just can’t really buy into a completely.
His comments I just heard on Ukraine is a great example he use the example of a Russian parade getting bombed as some sort of justification for continuing that war. When the numbers to be measured clearly would be the amount of Real Estate that Ukraine has gained back the amount of lives, lost the impact on the American budget And a lot of things that could be put into a spreadsheet that aren’t plus, I think all parades are stupid so maybe that comment flash a red light to me. Also, I dictate these comments so there’s liable to be typos and it gets too long. Sorry I’m actually doing something else while I say this. Haha
I like the arguing! Great work
Why would Ukraine agree to a cease fire with Russia if it only gave Russia a year or two to ramp up their war effort. Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons in return for guarentees which proved worthless. A cease fire is just Orwellian language for surrender. For a cease fire to work Ukraine would need to be part of NATO
I had to stop midway due to Dan's frequent interruptions. The earlier videos on this channel were incredible, but Erik had to bring Dan and ruin it. It used to be a great Econ 102 resource, now it feels more like a Twitter dispute.
Yeah this guy was insanely frustrating to listen to. He kept killing the flow of the conversation by either bringing up barely tangential rebuttals or naive questions.
@@LucyLarkspur Exactly. First, he tried to put words into Noah's mouth (Trump's words fascist, not actions / Republicans care about output, not input). Then, he fights on issues on which neither of them are experts and had to look up on the internet. The show is called Econ 102, not know-it-all foreign policy experts. If he has an axe to grind, why doesn't he do it on his Moment of Zen podcast?
Noah Smith isn’t even aware of the negotiations that Boris Johnson scuttled?
Noah is very smart but has certain blindspots that he goes to comically badfaith extremes to defend… worth listening nonetheless!
Dan is such a shockingly low value voice on anything, but especially geopolitics. Please stop inviting him to these and wasting everyone’s time. Jesus Christ.
Dan contributes about as much as cringey Reddit commenters. Quit this episode and out halfway through. If the goal is to have guests to debate with, get someone better please.
I disagree. I think Dan's comments are great, and much needed. They generally help Noah explain certain thoughts, and expand on background info. This is how we get some of Noah's best teachings.
Trump RFK ticket, you heard it first here
Im playing devils advocate b/c i have made the same argument that what people are calling fascism isn’t but I did listen to the “dictators” podcast and they read the Fascist manifesto and it’s interesting read, because there are lines in it that do sound like it’s mostly about machismo they say things like living up to the ideal of the Italian male and the rejection of all things feminine it’s almost silly if it wasn’t so real. So I can see why people would use it as a description of a type of person, instead of the definition of the melting of industry and state which it is.
who is this chmobik
yawn reposting old content from another channel
Is this a bot comment because this doesn’t seem to be clipped from anything the guy was speaking at the start of it and their names are on the intro screen which makes me wonder why you would make that comment I’ll go look at your channel.
Yeah, joined two weeks ago and this is their only comment I want to figure out where these things come from. Is TH-cam doing it?
@@CartoClips what are you talking about, this is recording that was originally uploaded on moment of zen channel 9 days ago
I don't always align with Noah, particularly on politics, but he's always brimming with interesting ideas & insights; this one was no exception. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Noah! (he actually blocked me on X for defending Vivek, but he's still my favorite economist, and I listen to the pod/read his blog religiously haha).
My god Dan is obnoxious lmao