Epic camera, a most underrated camera in history. Organic, clean, film look coming from it sensor using SDI-A port, with RGB 444 upgrade. thanks for review
I have to say it's refreshing to see this camera in the hands of a skilled filmmaker. I noticed your lighting is very good and probably using good lenses as well. So it's not only about the camera, although this camera is becoming a "classic" workhorse, capable of timeless, filmic images.
I love my F3! The original cinealta colors are wonderful. I use the internal recording for TH-cam videos and it still looks very good.
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Sweet :) for webb it works fine. Nice Volvo btw. My familys car history is. Saab V4 -> volvo 240 -> volvo 240 and my dads newest car is a Volvo 740... :)
Great video and great camera. If you can find one with the 444 upgrade go for it and if you find an even rarer one with the 3ality Armor jump on it quickly.
@@PGLBiscuite not a good comparison for me because I don't like the Sony look at all. But this is my personal meaning. All the cams these days are great. It depends on what you like on your editing screen.
@@robocoontv3245 I can agree. I use a Black Magic Micro Cinema Camera and a Sony 6400 for work and to be honest the Sony 1080p looks like trash compared to the Black Magic. Even when i scale the 1080p to 4k it looks crisp compared to the Sony 4k and holds up great, i wish the micro was better in low light, then i would use it for everything.
@@KurruptedDataYouT you are very harsh to your Sony. I bet you have created some great stuff with it but I know what you mean. I must say I'm a little jealous about your micro cinema camera. Would love to own one
@@robocoontv3245 It all depends. If I'm shooting a documentary i'll use the micro, if I'm doing a real estate video I'm definitely using the Sony. I got my micro for $350 because the HDMI was fried, I use the Component video in and it works just fine and I have no issues with the resolution loss. On top of that i bought a LP-E6 to NPF adapter and now i can shoot for hours with no issues. There are lots of good deals out there, just be prepared to make some sacrifices lol
I found one in a studio where sometimes I work as an external video specialist, but I won't probably pick that up because I have no good lenses that can be adapted to this
I feel rather dumb, but I hope you can help me out with a question I have :) I recently bought a Sony F5 with a passive adapter that has a aperture ring on it. I decided to switch to EF lenses and bought the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8. The lens itself doesn’t have an aperture ring. Seeing that you adapt Nikon lenses, how do you change your aperture? When I turn the aperture ring of my adapter I only see the blades closing and opening in front of the sensor. Does this mean my Sigma lens is fixed at f1.8 without me being able to adjust the aperture at all?
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Nikon has a mechanical lever that the lens adapter can push on to change the aperture. So thats how my adapter works. Canon only has internal electronic aperture. So you need an active adapter. Costs around 1000 💵 for fz mount. Or an adapter like you have, that has its own aperture while the lens stays wide open.
@ Sorry for the late reply, but thank you for giving an insight on how these adapters work. I'll be looking for an active adapter in that case. Many thanks!
Would you be willing to take detailed pictures of the 3rality technica kit? They are impossible to find, but I know a machinist and want to possibly get one built.
I'm NOT a Sony guy per say.. I'm a Pnasonic guy.. HOWEVER.... I do like Venice... Venice fixed that infamous clinical ...plastic image look Sony had...previous to Venice models.....post F3 models.. So...I am saying...I agree.. There's something more organic film looking this camera produces than some of the other Sony models..
How does the hyperdeck pulls power? Im considering getting the f3 but all the átomos recoders are so expensive, so hyperdeck seems like the way to go, but im not sure how does it charge since it doesnt have batteries.
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I pull power from battery dtap port. I would recomend you to buy a Ninja v with sdi expansionport. Its a more relible solution!
Hey great video! I was wondering how do you focus? Do yo use follow focus or directly with the focus ring on the lens? Also, can you tell m what's the name of that wood handle grip on the right side? Thank you :)
Hi Josef, Do you have a list of attachments and lens that were showcased in this video? Thanks so much
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Hey! Here is what I used on the camera for this showcase. Tamron AF SP 17-50/2,8 XR Di-II LD IF VC for Nikon Samyang 50mm Vdslr Nikon samyang 35mm Vdslr Nikon Photodiox Fz - Nikon adapter Recorded in prores HQ on Blackmagic hyperdeck shuttle 2 However, I went back to record on my Ninja V with the SDI expansion unit. Having a better monitor is good even tho the ninja displays the image from this camera a bit wonky and soft. its been a another year since this and I might release a new video soon with about my current workflow with this camera. Cheers!
@ hi joseph,I just sucribed to your channel. can i askk you why did you record on hyperdeck, and not atomos? differences in cinematic quality? is it shot in video Slog or cine LUT picture profile ? 444 or 422 sdi out to recorder? thank youu :)
hey friend is there anything special about the baseplate and rig of this camera? or it is pretty universal to assemble one. Thanks!
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Yes and no. It has 2 normal screw holes for adding any normal baseplate. But it also has one extra hole that you can use special baseplate made only for the f3.
What I find funny is that everybody shitted on the colorscience and highlight roll off of the f3 due to how much worse it is compared to their previous cinealta camera the f35. But now we see a sudden resurgence in opinions and calling the f3 "magical". Same thing happened with the red one and the bmpcc. The red one was brutally shitted on compared to the f35 at the time, and the bmpcc was not even nearly as "filmic" as the digital bolex. Yet here we are with opinions that are dramatically different. Just goes to show how volatile internet's opinions are.
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The f35 is a beast of a camera. I can understand the comparison. The f3 did not come with s-log in the beginning. Could that be the reason people did not like it? I don't like the rec709 out of this camera one bit.
@ I think it was due to the much weaker highlight retention and color shifting when blown out even in log. With noise issues and aliasing. Same complaint was had with the fs100 i think.
you are beating down your own point, big sandwich. users dislike F3 base on the previous F35 experience, just like now they are cherishing F3 in comparison to new models, the underneath logic holds true throughout. don't get me started with the picture quality of those old 3 CCD prism primary RGB recorders.
Hello ! That is amazing, and by the way, you make it more ecological too. I really want to try a "vintage" camera for filmmaking (actually documentary). Do you know another one, but smaller but from the same years ? Thanks for your vidéo
canon c300 was the king of documentary back in the day. a bit smaller and more comfortable for run and gun. You can get them for around the same price as a Sony F3.
It think so, if you have a naitive FZ lens. But I think there is only one such lens and its rare and not that good… 😂 best use it with manual lenses and adapter.
I have a stock F3 with the 1.45 firmware, but I can't select anything for 4:4:4 options. Doesn't the latest 1.45 firmware unlock and allow the S-LOG 4:4:4? What am I doing wrong?
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Hey! The rgb444 option is under Video set -> Dual link & gamma select / 1.5g/3g RGB444 & slog. If you only have YPbPr 422 then your camera is not upgraded with the 444 firmware.
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Pic of meny options. drive.google.com/file/d/1dio2T-OLl-QHtu6DsO1TosjbgSJTOw7_/view?usp=drivesdk
@ It’s all grayed out. So that means I must have the first year release of it. I loaded firmware 1.45, but it’s all still locked. Is there really no other way to unlock the 4:4:4 without buying that old card rgb firmware?
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@@actionthatsucks dont think so 😔. But I would not stress to much about it. 🙂👍there is not many good practical choises for 444 recording anyway. And unless your doing vfx work i dont really think you would get any great benifit from it anyway 🙂. 10 bit 422 is good with slog. 👏
Why did you not get the FS7? It's the same sensor.
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Its actually not the same sensor. I do prefer the f3 images over the fs7. But the fs7 is a more modern system with 4k and is quite cheap today so it is also a good deal.
@ F3 has amazing colors much better then FS7! The minus that you can not use oos lens, which is more comfortable, you must use flycam on F3! Which software use to made 4k on f3 ?
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@@9filmstudios251 No 4k. 🙃 but i have 2 fs7 if i want 4k so its fine. But f3 has way better colors as u say 😎
the rendition from highlight to midtone, to shadow, it is amazing, I don't see this level of image ever on the modern lineups, maybe it's because only "youtube reviewers" shots them, mabye I misunderstood the new camera and I was wrong, maybe a real filmmaker can make these new cameras producing great pictures.
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Slog "1" is more linear than the later versions. Same with Blackmagic old "film" profile. They grade quicker/easier in my opinion. But has less DR I suppose. I Match my a7iii and f3 all the time and always spend more time with the a7iii. It's crazy how much work you need to do to get an a7iii to look accurate. But I usually end up matching them well after a long time grading. But the f3 picture is more pleasing to the eye. It's subtle. However, the F3 is very soft. I can't tell if is lite out of focus or just lower resolution sometimes. And it does suffer from moire and color shift towards clipping.
Epic camera, a most underrated camera in history. Organic, clean, film look coming from it sensor using SDI-A port, with RGB 444 upgrade. thanks for review
I have to say it's refreshing to see this camera in the hands of a skilled filmmaker. I noticed your lighting is very good and probably using good lenses as well. So it's not only about the camera, although this camera is becoming a "classic" workhorse, capable of timeless, filmic images.
I’m an amateur and I can tell you it’s mostly the camera lol it’s just gorgeous
I cant stand this digital look 8k ultra mega sharp that netflix has. Everything is so artificial 😭 love this camera.
The 8.99 option looks good to me. I prefer it.
Newest netflix 8k is non cinematic
the footage looks awesome. very nicely filmed and the colors of camera are beautiful
I love my F3! The original cinealta colors are wonderful. I use the internal recording for TH-cam videos and it still looks very good.
Sweet :) for webb it works fine. Nice Volvo btw. My familys car history is. Saab V4 -> volvo 240 -> volvo 240 and my dads newest car is a Volvo 740... :)
@ Great minds think alike! I think old Volvos are underrated classics too.
Great footage and great video. You’ve got a new subscriber, dude! I’ll be waiting for your film on the F3!
Awesome 😁👍
Thanks for this video man, I myself own this camera and will never let it go. Thanks for spreading the word.
Hi. Can it shoot HD422 10bit???
Loving that direct rode into zoom f6! I was having some fun doing the same walking around with a mini rifle recording sound 😁
I love it 😉👍
I still love my F3! It’s soft yet super colorful such a beautiful sensor. I can’t get the same look from anything else
Great video and great camera. If you can find one with the 444 upgrade go for it and if you find an even rarer one with the 3ality Armor jump on it quickly.
Det där ser ut som min gamla F3 som jag sålde 2015. Så otroligt fin look från den och enkel att jobba med.
Min är från Australien. Kul att höra det finns en till på vift här i landet. Bra gammal kamera helt klart!
In that time they all tried to get the analog filmlook. Even my original Blackmagic Cinema Camera has a better look than most of the cams today
Do you believe the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera has a better look than the Sony PWM F3?
@@PGLBiscuite not a good comparison for me because I don't like the Sony look at all. But this is my personal meaning. All the cams these days are great. It depends on what you like on your editing screen.
@@robocoontv3245 I can agree. I use a Black Magic Micro Cinema Camera and a Sony 6400 for work and to be honest the Sony 1080p looks like trash compared to the Black Magic. Even when i scale the 1080p to 4k it looks crisp compared to the Sony 4k and holds up great, i wish the micro was better in low light, then i would use it for everything.
@@KurruptedDataYouT you are very harsh to your Sony. I bet you have created some great stuff with it but I know what you mean. I must say I'm a little jealous about your micro cinema camera. Would love to own one
@@robocoontv3245 It all depends. If I'm shooting a documentary i'll use the micro, if I'm doing a real estate video I'm definitely using the Sony. I got my micro for $350 because the HDMI was fried, I use the Component video in and it works just fine and I have no issues with the resolution loss. On top of that i bought a LP-E6 to NPF adapter and now i can shoot for hours with no issues. There are lots of good deals out there, just be prepared to make some sacrifices lol
Just saw this on Christmas 2021 -- the F3 looks really great ... I agree, modern cameras look cartoonish. Cheers
I found one in a studio where sometimes I work as an external video specialist, but I won't probably pick that up because I have no good lenses that can be adapted to this
Try it out. I use a sigma 30mm art lens with the fz to canon adapter and it's amazing
I feel rather dumb, but I hope you can help me out with a question I have :)
I recently bought a Sony F5 with a passive adapter that has a aperture ring on it. I decided to switch to EF lenses and bought the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8. The lens itself doesn’t have an aperture ring.
Seeing that you adapt Nikon lenses, how do you change your aperture?
When I turn the aperture ring of my adapter I only see the blades closing and opening in front of the sensor.
Does this mean my Sigma lens is fixed at f1.8 without me being able to adjust the aperture at all?
Nikon has a mechanical lever that the lens adapter can push on to change the aperture. So thats how my adapter works. Canon only has internal electronic aperture. So you need an active adapter. Costs around 1000 💵 for fz mount. Or an adapter like you have, that has its own aperture while the lens stays wide open.
@ Sorry for the late reply, but thank you for giving an insight on how these adapters work. I'll be looking for an active adapter in that case. Many thanks!
the video is stunning. Wow
Would you be willing to take detailed pictures of the 3rality technica kit? They are impossible to find, but I know a machinist and want to possibly get one built.
Sure. Write to me on instagram @josefx3m
@ Cool I will probably hit you up when I get the camera. What kind of battery pack do you have?
@@usernameiamiamiamiam8713 I bought these www.ebay.de/itm/353058611247
I'm NOT a Sony guy per say.. I'm a Pnasonic guy.. HOWEVER.... I do like Venice... Venice fixed that infamous clinical ...plastic image look Sony had...previous to Venice models.....post F3 models..
So...I am saying...I agree.. There's something more organic film looking this camera produces than some of the other Sony models..
Please teach us more aim the lens options
Use a SDI output, to get better, progressive image.
For a long zoom (300-600 feet) is there a zoom lens you could recommend for this?
Hi there, nice video! Question, is it possible to change aparture electronically?
Not with my adapter but there are adapters that do. But expensive.
Can you list all the mods and additions you have for the camera I’d like to follow as a model. Thanks u
How does the hyperdeck pulls power? Im considering getting the f3 but all the átomos recoders are so expensive, so hyperdeck seems like the way to go, but im not sure how does it charge since it doesnt have batteries.
I pull power from battery dtap port. I would recomend you to buy a Ninja v with sdi expansionport. Its a more relible solution!
Now is the golden time for buying old cinema cameras. sony F5 at 800€. RED MYSTERIUM-X 1500€. RED scarlet 1000€. Sony F 55 1900€ etc.
Amen 🙏
I remember when it came out about $16,000 to $20,000.
is there a way to adapt sony E-mount lenses to this camera
unfortunately not ( i would love to use my Pz 28-135 on this camera...
Hey great video! I was wondering how do you focus? Do yo use follow focus or directly with the focus ring on the lens? Also, can you tell m what's the name of that wood handle grip on the right side? Thank you :)
Just the lens ring 😄👍 its from smallrig!
@ Thank you so much!
Does it not have autofocus ?
Neat...might just cop one
They are now cheaper! How do you know if it has the 444 recording?
Look for the output options in the meny. But it’s not that important. Slog to prores HQ is good enough with this camera.
any other cameras have the same sensor?
Hi Josef,
Do you have a list of attachments and lens that were showcased in this video? Thanks so much
Hey! Here is what I used on the camera for this showcase.
Tamron AF SP 17-50/2,8 XR Di-II LD IF VC for Nikon
Samyang 50mm Vdslr Nikon
samyang 35mm Vdslr Nikon
Photodiox Fz - Nikon adapter
Recorded in prores HQ on Blackmagic hyperdeck shuttle 2
However, I went back to record on my Ninja V with the SDI expansion unit. Having a better monitor is good even tho the ninja displays the image from this camera a bit wonky and soft. its been a another year since this and I might release a new video soon with about my current workflow with this camera.
Cheers!
@ hi joseph,I just sucribed to your channel. can i askk you why did you record on hyperdeck, and not atomos? differences in cinematic quality? is it shot in video Slog or cine LUT picture profile ? 444 or 422 sdi out to recorder? thank youu :)
which lens did you use how many millimeters which model exactly?
oh boy its many lenses.. but most shots in this video is probably tamaron 17-55mm 2.8. I think first shots at night is Samyang vdlsr 35mm t1.5.
hey friend is there anything special about the baseplate and rig of this camera? or it is pretty universal to assemble one. Thanks!
Yes and no. It has 2 normal screw holes for adding any normal baseplate. But it also has one extra hole that you can use special baseplate made only for the f3.
What I find funny is that everybody shitted on the colorscience and highlight roll off of the f3 due to how much worse it is compared to their previous cinealta camera the f35. But now we see a sudden resurgence in opinions and calling the f3 "magical". Same thing happened with the red one and the bmpcc. The red one was brutally shitted on compared to the f35 at the time, and the bmpcc was not even nearly as "filmic" as the digital bolex. Yet here we are with opinions that are dramatically different. Just goes to show how volatile internet's opinions are.
The f35 is a beast of a camera. I can understand the comparison. The f3 did not come with s-log in the beginning. Could that be the reason people did not like it? I don't like the rec709 out of this camera one bit.
@ I think it was due to the much weaker highlight retention and color shifting when blown out even in log. With noise issues and aliasing. Same complaint was had with the fs100 i think.
you are beating down your own point, big sandwich.
users dislike F3 base on the previous F35 experience, just like now they are cherishing F3 in comparison to new models, the underneath logic holds true throughout.
don't get me started with the picture quality of those old 3 CCD prism primary RGB recorders.
Hello ! That is amazing, and by the way, you make it more ecological too. I really want to try a "vintage" camera for filmmaking (actually documentary). Do you know another one, but smaller but from the same years ? Thanks for your vidéo
canon c300 was the king of documentary back in the day. a bit smaller and more comfortable for run and gun. You can get them for around the same price as a Sony F3.
@@josuenunez5353 Ok, thank you very much Josue :) ! I will check this out
@@josuenunez5353 Oh thanks ! But finally I bought the F3, because I am in love with his image quality
Lauren Ramecourt Same here! I just got a Sony F3 too :D what recorder did you get to go with it?
@@josuenunez5353 I don't have yet ! Do you have one ? I think I will buy a zoom
if I get it for cheap price I will take it ..
How did you remove the origina, handle and the viewfinder?
Its been rehoused by 3ality technica some time in the past. And i bought it like that.
I need a ef lens for this camera??? pls help
Use the fz adapter
u can use Metabones ef mounts..great choice withoiut losing diafragm
Is the shuttle 4:4:4?
Its not. Only 10bit 422 prores HQ
Amen
Does the F3 have autofocus?
It think so, if you have a naitive FZ lens. But I think there is only one such lens and its rare and not that good… 😂 best use it with manual lenses and adapter.
tu peux faire croquer stp ?
how much did you pay for it in sweden?
I bought it from austraila for around 1500 euro + 1000 in taxes and customs.
Börjar bli lite krallig ;)
Någon dag får vi lyfta skrot 😉👍
I have a stock F3 with the 1.45 firmware, but I can't select anything for 4:4:4 options. Doesn't the latest 1.45 firmware unlock and allow the S-LOG 4:4:4? What am I doing wrong?
Hey! The rgb444 option is under Video set -> Dual link & gamma select / 1.5g/3g RGB444 & slog. If you only have YPbPr 422 then your camera is not upgraded with the 444 firmware.
Pic of meny options.
drive.google.com/file/d/1dio2T-OLl-QHtu6DsO1TosjbgSJTOw7_/view?usp=drivesdk
@ It’s all grayed out. So that means I must have the first year release of it. I loaded firmware 1.45, but it’s all still locked. Is there really no other way to unlock the 4:4:4 without buying that old card rgb firmware?
@@actionthatsucks dont think so 😔. But I would not stress to much about it. 🙂👍there is not many good practical choises for 444 recording anyway. And unless your doing vfx work i dont really think you would get any great benifit from it anyway 🙂. 10 bit 422 is good with slog. 👏
@@actionthatsucks Were you able to resolve this? Samen issue here kinda.
Why did you not get the FS7? It's the same sensor.
Its actually not the same sensor. I do prefer the f3 images over the fs7. But the fs7 is a more modern system with 4k and is quite cheap today so it is also a good deal.
The FS7 and F5 have the same sensor. The F3 is not the same sensor.
@ F3 has amazing colors much better then FS7! The minus that you can not use oos lens, which is more comfortable, you must use flycam on F3! Which software use to made 4k on f3 ?
@@9filmstudios251 No 4k. 🙃 but i have 2 fs7 if i want 4k so its fine. But f3 has way better colors as u say 😎
10bit 444 via hdmi ?
Nope. Sdi only
Can't buy a shirt?
Maby next time 😄👍
the rendition from highlight to midtone, to shadow, it is amazing, I don't see this level of image ever on the modern lineups, maybe it's because only "youtube reviewers" shots them, mabye I misunderstood the new camera and I was wrong, maybe a real filmmaker can make these new cameras producing great pictures.
Slog "1" is more linear than the later versions. Same with Blackmagic old "film" profile. They grade quicker/easier in my opinion. But has less DR I suppose. I Match my a7iii and f3 all the time and always spend more time with the a7iii. It's crazy how much work you need to do to get an a7iii to look accurate. But I usually end up matching them well after a long time grading. But the f3 picture is more pleasing to the eye. It's subtle. However, the F3 is very soft. I can't tell if is lite out of focus or just lower resolution sometimes. And it does suffer from moire and color shift towards clipping.