2023 Ford Raptor R | Was It Worth The Wait?
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- Full review of the long awaited 2023 Ford Raptor R! 700hp V8 under the hood and a sound that goes with it! Was it worth the wait and $110K price tag?
In this review we give our honest opinion on the new Raptor R and compare it to the "regular" Ford Raptor as well as it's main competitor in the Ram Trx.
It's been a long time coming and it's a great truck but I'm wondering if Ford could've done a bit more with this truck.
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It's a nice truck and it sounds great, thanks to it now having a proper V-8 engine in it. HOWEVER... I don't think it's $110k nice. The prices for these vehicles nowadays is absofreakinlutely RICOCKULOUS!!! I can see paying maybe $65k to $75k for this truck, but any price beyond that is absurd.
Crazy think is that we’re paying 65 to 75k for a basic xlt
And yet you can find plenty of luxury SUVs at or exceeding the $100k mark & almost all of em have less power, less Tq, less capability, less cargo room, no bed, can’t tow, can’t haul, are slower, can’t jump, harsher or inferior suspension setups etc I’m talking Audi Q8, X5/X7, Escalade/Yukon, wagoneer, cayenne, etc etc, if you truly do an honest impartial comparison feature for feature capability for capability + the ease of maintenance/parts availability & reliability? It’s not an crazy asking price.
Looking forward to you getting and keeping your Raptor R. 😀
You will wrap it and it will look awesome!
Reason why its 30k expensive than normal raptor is only because of performance. 5.2 l supercharger is totally different engine than 5.0 just like shelby 350 vs regular gt 5.0 difference
Wait till you see the mark up on these
I wanted a Raptor R BADLY and asked to order one a year or so ago, my dealership had an allocation of ONE and it was spoken for. I really didn’t try beyond that but in the back of my mind thought I’ll get one to replace my 2020 Raptor at some point.
I’ve completely changed my mind.
I’ve decided that I’m done with this game- the hype-driven sticker plus whatever they can get nonsense and what drove me to this decision was a visit to a very high volume performance Ford dealership. They probably have 100 trucks on the lot, had fifteen of the Raptor R’s allocated and even had one left.
We probably spent two hours looking at trucks- Roush, Shelby, Black Widow, Hennessey, Rocky Ridge, Tuscany and whatever else was there. Most of these trucks were over $100,000 on the sticker…I was shocked and honestly had a blast looking. The sales manager told me he’d sell me the last Raptor R for $150,000. I told him I’d really have to think on that.
They had one Roush left that had a supercharger that brought the HP of the excellently upgraded XLT over 700hp, it was gorgeous inside and out. The salesman told me that he’d make me a good deal on that one, it had been driven about 5000 miles, probably by the sales manager or GM.
After leaving I contacted the salesman and asked what it would take to buy the Roush, he replied $100,000. I didn’t even bother to reply…his “good deal” on the truck was over what their website showed as the price of the truck including upgrades. He didn’t know that I had looked, they’ve had the truck for a YEAR and a LOT of their trucks had been sitting unsold for months and months. This reminds me of the movie Vacation, when they were stranded and after asking the mechanic how much repairs to the family truckster would cost the reply was, “How much you got?”
Dealerships have figured out to spend maybe $15,000 on aftermarket upgrades and they can charge $30k over sticker. Here’s the thing…historically these aftermarket upgrades just don’t carry over in used values. Look at any 5+yr Roush Mustang, they just don’t hold value. Sure, they’re fun and very, very nice inside but I am uncertain whether the aftermarket stuff will hold much resale value.
The bottom line is that I’m just not playing anymore. There was a time, not too many years ago that we bought at invoice, maybe $1000 +/- invoice and it worked out nicely for everyone. This attitude of grabbing every dollar humanly possible, the strategy of less units, more profit/unit and particularly $30-$40k OVER sticker is a game for others, not me. I’m a business owner too and our model has certainly changed to mirror that of the car industry- we have to charge more than ever and we’re selling less products to fewer people with higher margins and from my view I kind of like it this way but we’ve learned that this model is unsustainable in the long run. My guess is that 6 months from now will be a different market…but take that opinion for what you paid to read it.
As a consumer,I can easily afford any of them but I’m just done with all of it. My 2020 Raptor is very nice, as new and I love the truck so I just can’t see spending more than I paid for my old house for a pickup. Seriously…this is insane.
Maybe rather than play this game it would be worth looking into to buying a XLT, have Katskin leather installed, go to the tire shop and upgrade the suspension, tires and wheels and finally buy a supercharger from Roush or someone else and I’d end up with a very aggressive, very nice and more affordable truck that I’m thrilled with.
I guess demand is still high but my general feeling is that these- all of these $100k pickups are going to have to come back to something resembling reasonable. I could be wrong, clearly there are two distinct classes of people out there- those who will pay whatever they need to pay and those who simply can’t or won’t.
I’m a TOTAL Ford fan and this is a very nice pickup but they lost me about $40k ago. It’s just gotten ridiculous.
You’ve hit it spot on , people gonna have to stop paying these prices it’s gotten out of hand .
This won’t sit well the moment one passes you on the road… ;)
My brother in law who I’ve bought 4 fords from in the last 3 years is absolutely mind blown that I didn’t buy the raptor are from which with 12,000 dollars more than the trx with a $25000 no questions asked mark up and they convinced me to buy a maverick from them to guarantee my spot. And since ford and AutoNation have lost an A plan customer who’s got perfect credit and isn’t gonna lose his when this recession officially starts
Dude. Appreciate the write up. Great insights
i ain’t reading allat
I use the paddle shifters all the time in my gen 2 off-road. I like the predictability of knowing exactly what gear I’m in to control the boost and rpms while drifting and stuff.
Turning heavy 37s and pushing 6,000 plus pounds and still doing a sub 4 second 0 - 60 is absolutely wild. Cool vid.
Appreciate that he calls it out on them phoning in the appearance package. Best reviews out on these trucks imo
Fabulous review!
Great review ! I personally love the Raptor R 👍🏻👊🏻
I think the V8 Raptor R is the one to get, but it should be $80k and the regular Raptor should be $60k.
Not in the least. Either you cannot justify it or you can. I know how much each variant of P702 costs to build and while there is good margin on the higher trim levels, what you suggest is senseless and not viable as a business with pensions and healthcare costs to pay.
It annoys me how some of you don't think of those realities and just spout off nonsense.
@@jmin8400 I get your point about build costs, but paying too much for pensions is not the best example. GM and Ford famously promised way too much for its pensions than “viable as a business”.
@@off-roadingcars Yeah, but still has to be paid. I own one, I help develop this and other trucks on the same T3 architecture and the next one.
The goal is for us to increase profit margin, but there's a limit to that with specialized products like this.
The reason it's also so expensive? Ranger Raptor, as a new price floor below it. We have to space them out and acclimate the consumer base to the new Raptor price structure.
Selling a $60k Ranger Raptor and $60k F150 Raptor together, would obviously not go very well. Removing the V6 option for the 2024 Raptor? That was considered, but hard to execute as desired due to not enough production volume of the Predator to meet overall Raptor demand for MY 2023.
I won't comment on the future, as we are in the redesign process already and will for now launch the P702 MCA this fall to pass the time.
In terms of Bronco, I find the Wildtrak redundant and never understood our decision to offer it, other than targeting different bases. Pointless, when it only serves as an unwelcome price floor for the Bronco Raptor.
If not for the Wildtrak, maybe a slightly cheaper Bronco Raptor would exist for MY 2023. Everglades is a different matter though.
@@jmin8400 Well you guys did a great job on all the Raptors, to include the Bronco Raptor…that thing literally climbs up and down walls. I really hope Ford continues the V8 Raptor for as long as it can, presumably before an electric version comes out. The ride quality on normal streets for both v6 and v8 F150 Raptors is incredible and destroys the TRX. Ford pretty much owns this market.
Didn't realize you had a review of this out!
Honestly, I think its one of your better videos, ever. Felt like a professional review.
Only critique I would give is that your mic set up in the car is quiet and is drowned out by window and the engine noise.
AutoVlog Great Video I think it's awesome that you've put nearly 600 miles on your Loaner Raptor R and I can't hear with you're going to do with Upcoming Raptor R
I ordered traded my 2020 Raptor for a 2021 special order 350. They messed up my order, still bought the truck and they PROMISED to take care of me on my Raptor R order. Well, needless to say that didn’t happen. Told me I would have to bid for it until they decided it would be $25k over sticker. When I told them they needed to own up to their word and I wasn’t paying $25k over, they completely ghosted me and never sold me a truck. I went to a dealer in WY and bought a 2022 Raptor with 37s.
Ford, it’s time to crack down on these joker dealers. Do right by your customers. Your product is great, let enthusiasts enjoy them without the dealer BS.
Sold my gen 3 eco for the R. I couldn’t be happier with the truck.
Nice review. Would love one.
The Raptor R is a beast! I can’t wait to get one. Love the videos! 14:03
It's always worth the wait!!
Love all the videos. But my question is will that engine have the same issues as the Shelby did.
Great video!
Loved the video. I did see a black raptor R on 376 the other day 😮
its always interesting to see these videos recorded in the Robinson area.
I’ll never own one or even get to ride one, but I’m glad this super truck is out there, it’s just really cool. I too wish Ford would have given a little more of a aggressive look, but it’s still a really cool truck. 110k is a lot, but if you can afford it and want one get it I’m not sure a lot of people will realize what they’ve pulled up beside tough and that’s pretty cool too!
If it was $110k...they are going for $165-180k everywhere I've looked, lol.
It should not look different from other Eco-Raptors..this is what makes it better. keeps the value longer.
Sounds amazing with headphones. 😲
I think if the wheels had a cold orange bead lock ring it would make a huge difference in the side profile look.
I have a R on order. I’ve had 4 Raptors and the R will be 5. I sold high end properties with high end people and the Raptor impressed all of my customers. Many of those customers are driving Raptor’s.
Great torque paired to an awesome transmission!
Antimatter blue looks sharp I would have a hard time deciding between the code orange or that
I like your videos! I don’t know what you could do with it. Could you put a topper on it?
mike what’s been up with ur quality??
Re the looks, its nice and subtle, understated. I find that better nore time less than flashy styles.
Thanks for sharing your Raptor R experience.
Now go tune it and make it a 1000Hp 🍹💥
If I could afford it. Definitely would be worth it!!
I can't help but to almost rather have a dressed up v8 f150 with some parts upgrades.
and save 30k😂
@@jliefer2484 spend it on at 10k slide in pop up camper!
I love the FORD RAPTOR R, especially with that code orange metallic.
As a Ford Fan love it!!!
Nice video man. For what they are asking on top of msrp, no thanks. Ill just keep my peasant Indo Raptor. One here locally on showroom floor asking $149,900 lol
I’m looking for a Raptor R here in WA and no luck. It’s a bit hard to find right now. I did find one find one in Utah for 169k that’s a bit much for me. I test drove a TRX Monday and now Ford might lose a customer that TRX is a beast. I’m a ford guy and I love my gen 2 but damn that TRX looks great, sounds amazing and is fast as hell. Hopefully I find a Raptor R within a week or I’m picking up a TRX
The Raptor sheeesh is a heck of a truck
I really think with a couple modifications on a personal Raptor R it would make it just that much better, exhaust being the first thing similar to what you did with your TRX
My dad is getting one next week and he’s already planning on reprogramming the paddle shifters to activate a bottle of nitrous and a smaller pulley and running it on e85 and headers 😂
I agree 100%. Ford should have made the R standout a bit more.
My dream car
Both the TRX and Raptor R are great trucks and I'm glad they exist. However, I have to go with the TRX as aesthetically they nailed that aggressive badass look.
Too heavy, not as agile. Raptor beats it in every catergory. If your worried about looks. These trucks are not for you.
@@speaksilince14 Considering I own a 21' TRX and love it, I'd say they are for me lol. I hope you enjoy your Raptor R, cheers.
@@pdorrest79 You didnt deserve that, gen 1 owner so I really dont have room. I was a bit defensive bubba my aplogies.
@@speaksilince14 All good man!
@@pdorrest79 im not. I think i like the trx better PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!Got it???
I honestly thought I would like the Raptor more than the TRX once it has the V8, but TRX seems to me is more appealing.
It looks more luxurious interior but cheaper.
I will take the TRX over the Raptor R any day…..better motor,better interior,better ride and sounds way more aggressive in stock form just to name a few points! The Raptor R here in Canada is starting at $150,000 plus $25-30K mark up….add dealer fees,luxury tax on top and you are looking around $200,000 for a “V8” Fird….yikes!!
29@@paulainsworth3895 I saw a local Dodge dealer in Edmonton selling a TRX for $29,000 over sticker, for $157,950, somehow they have a Wrangler selling for double it's sticker of $71,500 for over $141,900 and it's not a 392.
Do you think how much for the mark up the price is good price?
Come to AZ here, there is plenty land to do things, have seen raptors, trx, you name it
I don't think this is not the best day to upload a video as a TH-camr but I rather watch your video than a football game . Your true passion about the cars show . The C 63 and the Audi has to be in your top 3 . Please review the new C63 replacement . Mercedes-Benz please let AutoVlog review that new C63 replacement
Here I am looking to buy my first truck 2022 F150 XLT Sport with black appearance pano roof and I thought that was awesome. Unfortunately can’t afford this but amazing truck and whoever can buy enjoy it.
It’s definitely worth the wait!
The overall driving experience that you experience in the Raptor R is second to none!
After owning a Raptor R, I could never go back to a Gen1 (which I still love), Gen2 or Gen3 37.
Raptor R all the way!
Glad you're enjoying your R......but at that price NO WAY I'M PAYING THAT.....😁
Worth every penny…
What can the Raptor R do that a normal F150 cannot do?
@@westcoastplinkin6559 It really depends on what you’re going to use the truck for. For me it’s my weekend play truck, not my weekly daily driver, I personally wouldn’t buy the truck if I was going to tow or use as a daily; I drive a superduty throughout the week for work because I need it for construction/towing applications.
The Raptor R is really an amazing truck if your looking for something that is a stock 5 link with a supercharged V8. The handling and overall performance of the 5-link coupled with the supercharged 5.2 is an unreal driving experience that is second to none. Again for me it’s more of a weekend truck to have fun in and take to the desert 🌵
Glad you got this as a press vehicle and it is awesome. I just could never condone over 100k on a vehicle even if so had the money. My 2 cents is buy an OG raptor with the 6.2 and supercharge it and you will be well under 100k and it will be just as fun. Not taking away from how awesome this truck is though. Just mind blown by the price though. Great constructive review as always.
Exactly your spot on. 110k is now cheap for this hog. I just saw two that sold for over 180k. Absolutely ridiculous. People have completely lost their minds. Do they not know that all these vehicles are going to sink like a Rock? We are heading into a serious recession in the next years, these people are going to lose everything they own. Nobody can justify that price unless you like to burn your hard earned money. No ford truck is in the price category of a Lamborghini. The market is off the rails and this is the first time in history we are seeing this lunacy. Goodluck society you have officially crashed and burned. And you deserve what is about to come
Had a 217 2.7 ecoboost f150 it was fast traded it in for a 2020 5.0 coyote the sound of the v8 is definitely better
I think the price is quite high for what you are getting. You have to decide if it is worth to you paying that much to get a V8 under the hood. I kind of agree with the styling playing on the safe side for the R. Its a sleeper. Ford really should just offer a V8 variant, because thats what people are looking for if they are honest about such a truck purchase
We don't have to offer a cheaper variant and won't to my knowledge. This will remain as it is, until production ends in 2026.
@@jmin8400 raptor r will be produced till 2026?
The GT500 with the same motor is about $100,000, and this is a truck. So it’s a little more. It’s absolutely fair. It’s a hell of a truck, way more than that. It’s definitely worth the price.
Keep the Ram TRX!!! It's diffrent
No one talks about the Mega Raptor. It would snatch a Knot in baby raptors arss... And the frame out from under the TRX 🤩
The raptor R has an ungodly price and as a Gen 2 Raptor owner there's no freaking way I'd pay over 100k for a V8. I'd jump to Dodge in a heartbeat if a supercharged V8 was that important.
I'm a TRUE 100% Ford supporter who stays in a small town Albertinia, Western Cape, South Africa. All I can say about this is WOW!!!! For me this bakkie/truck is way-out of my reach with the ZAR/US$ rate = 18ZAR to 1US$. So roughly this bakkie will cost over ZAR1 000 000.00!!! I've seen the comparison test with the Dodge RAM TRX and I've enjoyed it. Can somebody please inform me what 10,4 m/g is in km/l as this is our fuel consumption measurment?
The RAM has more presence. Like you said, they didn't do enough to differentiate it for the price. That's not a problem exclusive to Ford though.
How does it compare speed wise to your supercharged F150 that you that you had?
It revs better than the TRX but base to base vs the TRX it’s over $22k more than the TRX.
True but the raptor has every option while the trx does not
@@Limited-uq2yk Not true. The timing of release affects this. I just bought a loaded used trx w 10k miles for 87,000
Love my 95 F250 7.5 gasser.
Any chance you could give us the GVWR and payload ? Curious what it weighs. Thank you
I think it’s right at 6k curb
I like your videos so much better than Stangmode's!!
Mike, which one? The TRX or the Raptor R?
If you could only choose one to own.
On second thought, I'll just slap a whipple and predator crank on my '14 fx4, pretty much the same interior. Fiberglass fenders are $500 a set I think.
Don't delude yourself. I own all three generations and also engineer these vehicles here in Michigan. The interior quality of a midlevel P415 is vastly different from anything we've manufactured the last 8 years under the F-150 nameplate.
My two older 6.2 Boss SVTs are agricultural by comparison to my Ecoboost and new Predator Raptors.
The P552 (2015-20MY) interior isn't a Bentley, but it's a Bentley against the P415's base BMW grade interior.
P702 Raptor R interior against your truck is no comparison, because I own both and only like my old 6.2s for nostalgia or rugged fun.
I want it, but am torn about the lower mpg. I wonder, at altitude going up mountainy highway hills, where the turbo's would absolutely kick in on the regular v6 turbo, I wonder if this v8 would do just as well? Or maybe not given the supercharge, not sure how exactly that works.
I like the looks of the v6 without the fisher price stickers. Looks better with the 35’s. In my opinion.
I like the ram TRX it sounds better looks better😊
Better option is the Raptor R drive train in the base model F150 regular cab. 2000 lbs lighter.
Be nice if someone new how to build one.
I have a 2011 Ford Raptor with a V8, and it’s supercharged. I have less than 50k miles on it, and paid $45k. Looks like it’s in showroom condition inside and out. My point is that for way less than half the price of a new Raptor R, you can still find stellar examples of Gen 1’s with V8’s.
The hard part to make decision is the look is just the same, if you don’t have the regular Raptor it’s worth it but not if you already own one and you also have have the TRX so now you have to have both V8 trucks unless you will trade the Ecoboost. When people see it they just gonna say oh it’s a Raptor or it’s TRX.
I'd like to know what the tow rating and hull is on the R. A fast truck is nice. but it's still a truck you may need to work for you.
If them shifts are faster I could not believe how slow a regular raptor shifted using the paddles. I understand my only comparison is to a DCT but there seems to be no purpose in using the paddles even in the raptor R
Trx is my favorite truck.
With the GT500 gone from the the Ford US website i don't see the Raptor R going more than an other year, so it was nice while it lasted
The raptor r will stick around as long as the trx is. The GT500 most likely left because ford is working on the next Gen version
Yeah it is a limited model, the plant where the engines were made has been shut down.
I want the R I wish Chevy supercharged the ZR2
I dont think its worth getting it at that price . Just cancel your order and keep your awesome trx and buy something else with that ''leftover'' money.
Regarding the faster shifting transmission I believe they fixed it in the regular version of the raptor in 22 or 23 model year going off of videos I seen. Can’t say for sure being that I can’t afford to own one from the price spike from 65-80+ grand in the past few years… also the fact paying 15 grand more for the same truck that came out pre Covid just makes me sick.
They for sure did. And the paddle responses vary based on the mode you’re in and what kind of throttle inputs you’re giving
That does sound fantastic but I agree, looks identical to the ECOboost, which is unfortunate.
Can't wait to come be your camera man
Would love to have one, but daily it on premium at 10mpg would be steep
If you can afford the truck, I think paying for gas is not the biggest problem hahaha
@@jasonc7503 cash for car, $500 a month for gas is different story haha
the ford raptor that raptor that ford, that i wanted that we all wanted, ford raptor ford raptor. the raptor. jokes aside awesome video.
Myself if I were in your situation I would keep the RAM TRX and cancel the RAPTOR R but that's just me!
Good video. A lot of automakers do that unfortunately where the vehicle doesn't look much different than a higher price version. Like my Charger Hellcat Red Eye looks exactly like my friends Scat Pack Charger. But I payed $30,000 more for my Charger 🙂
what is that red light blinking below the A pillar?
Infrared sensor for self driving functions. Inviable to the naked eye
It's like buying a new phone coming out every year. You want the new phone, but you don't need it, your old phone is just as good.
At this price range better have the eco-boost Raptor. Like you said, who's going to the desert on the East Coast? On the other hand. This is one of the last V8 we will see, which is a shame.
Rational thoughts. Except the Raptor R delivery, flip it.... part of the game, regular folks as well as TH-camrs do it frequently. We know you are getting it at sticker, buy it, flip it and make the 20-30k for yourself. Keep your TRX or get a new level 3 package. Use the money made to modify the TRX. As the Hellcat motor and now all wheel drive transmission of the TRX have been around for a good while, they are known to be fairly reliable. Tuners, performance shops ect have also had a lot of time to work with the Hellcat motor and TRX trucks to be able to safely modify these trucks making a lot of power reliably. Flip the Raptor, make that 20-30k , added to the additional 25-30k you would, were planning to trade (or sell) the TRX in for the Raptor R. Take those funds, 45-60k, again stick with your TRX or get a brand new level 3 package, modify the TRX (900 - 1,000 HP) and still bank 20-30k or more. How awesome would it be to have a 1,000 hp truck. Not to mention having it, the build, the content, races ect..... on the channel. Unfortunately I think the Raptor R is to new to do any serious power modifications.
Just $.02 from a random subscriber, fan of the channel.
@Blade James.. Its not his Raptor to flip!
@@DalHarpJr the one he has on order coming is........
@@bladejames8208 With that you’re correct!
@DalHarpJr 2 shots of Vodka and a gold star for me 🤣
Do you have to use 93 octane?
This raptor is the best looking raptor so far . Better than the 2024 IMO.
Raptor R owner. It's been in the shop 3 times since purchase and Is in the shop now. Many issues with Ford Sync, Android Auto, Audio Amplifier.
I can't hear people when I make calls, I get random garbled noises when I'm streaming audio, my ac stopped working after a call dropped, my map gets occasionally scrambled, I get random loud static sounds through the stereo which then resets my headunit, when it rains my camera fail, when navigating the "calm screen" appears which is very distracting - especially at night. There are no wheel liner options available yet. The exhaust sound preference schedule isn't intuitive. And the seats aren't as comfortable as a base f150.
mine is on transit avalanche color
Badass!
100% personal opinion here, but to me the Trx wins visually and audibly. I could care less about a 10th of a second on the quarter mile.
I thought they nailed the styling on the 37 Raptor so now that they put a v8 in it to me it's great. They fixed what was missing but the $110k price tag......to me it's too high. $95k is more reasonable, although to me everything is too high these days.
Am wondering of streetspeed think about it
This channel may be the most obsessed channel on youtube about how a vehicle sounds. 90% of every video is about how whatever vehicle he is reviewing sounds or what it sounds like with an after market exhaust.
Ya gotta broaden your range of content my friend if you want the channel to grow. I mean anything would be a change that would bring in new viewers....
Rausch Creek Off Road Park is less than four hours from Pittsburgh.
i just traded in my launch edition trx for the Raptor R with a marlup. The truth is to me. The raptor is my choice. For many reasons. I have haf 4 raptors over the years. The trx was a great truck also. The raptor R is my choice. Both are great trucks.
When are you returning the truck? I work next door to where you picked it up at. I like your AUDI and got it kick out of your license plate.
You need change the antena please put the 50 cal antena
Am not a fan of gasoline V8 rumbling trucks,but I love the ford raptor design hence I don't get what all the fuss is about it having a V8 or an Ecoboost,so am ok with the 3.5 V6.
At msrp the price is ok but is ADM the dealers charge that makes it not affordable for me.
If they were to lower the price down to 68,000 or 70,000 maybe then I’ll buy one🤞🏼