Are the teachings of K going to meet the same fate of Buddha's and Christ's? | J. Krishnamurti
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- Rajghat 1985 - Question from Public Discussion
'The various centres of Krishnamurti Foundation India constantly and continuously say that they are the centre of K's teaching. So now when we have Buddhist teaching, Christ's teaching and Krishnamurti teaching, are these so-called teachings of K going to meet the same fate those of Buddha and Christ?'
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He was left with just 88 days while he was delivering this speech. He Did not wear glasses nor had hearing aid. His mind not living in past ever forgoing the psychological experience was so liberated ,still and silent and his body cooperated till his last day. A great master who did not want to be identified as one. The topics he discussed still are helping many. I will not call those as teaching it's just discussion. Great friend of humanity
My immense feeling is :If at all God is there and if He comes in the form, it is JK.
Agreed, never seen a man as genuine as JK
@@oshosannidhimysore299 I disagree. I think the beauty of K's work is that he is only human.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Yes I agree with u
K was never a teacher, he only wants humanity to be aware on his consciousness
I really want to thank Krishnamurti foundation from my heart.
Well said ❤️
Seeing K’s compassion brought tears in my eyes. He knew his time has come.
It is unfortunate that my country does not want to hear truth.
they want an easy simple clear path and solution and even if it exists they don't embrace it cause it hurts their religious beliefs, practices, and ego that surrounds it.
its the whole world
its the whole of humanity
Yes
As if you do..
Truth is that which works.
Has K ACTUALLY worked for you??
Are you completely free now?
Answer honestly.
Since learning about Krishnamurti 16 years ago and reading/listening to him, I feel so much affection toward the man that I also feel the need to be wary of becoming some kind of zealot. However, it is no stretch to say that if people could really understand what he says, the world would be such a different place in a good way. I'm sure many say the same of Buddha and Christ (and many others) but to understand K is to understand oneself. "Teaching" seems a word lacking in what he did. A beautiful flower for which I am grateful not only of the fragrance left behind but to have some modicum of a sense of smell. Thank you for sharing these videos!
Jesus before death asked why his father does not come to save him. The Buddha said ,before his death, "I've never given a single teaching or word." I think, including K, they saw it and did the basically same project. I guess. 🙏🙏🙏
Me too☺💕
Have you changed the course of your life?
beautifully said ....teachings are there available, it is up to us wat we do with it...his teachings and foundations are there just to point out..thanks to krishnamurti's official channel for uploading k's talks ...they help the seekers to listen to him directly without the need of cunning interpreters...
J K is an inspiration & a guiding light for spiritual seekers
K is just phenomenal
Don't have words to describe him
It is just that nature itself sitting there and talking to us
such a calm answer beautiful.
"now what is the question?" ...lolz.
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The great difference we have now is we have recordings of him talking. I highly suggest his dialogue with Alan W Anderson. If taken serious, K as the teacher disappears and the teaching can only live on through ourselves.
I once got a chance to meet Alan. He was a very gracious person.
@@cjdevries that is so great. You both are blessed persons.
Yes also with Dr David Bohm - incomparable compatibility. Two great souls of honesty intelligence and integrity!
Beautifully said! As always!
Many (many) thanks!
simply, calm, perfect and clear.
human weeknesses in small things like the way one dresses or combs his hair is so endearing & in no way it diminishes one's stature/ personality, rather it enhances it; makes one, even more likeable.JK is an extraordinary being; a Spiritual Master par excellence
He's so cheerful and carefree on this, he seems allot more laxed and lighthearted.
He is so energetic even at the age of 91. 😇🙏
My immense gratitude for sharing his videos .👃👃👃👃
'You can break up that Mirror, if you have seen yourself very clearly'...
Great great great Master 🙏😍🙏
He doesn't gave any teachings he just spoke facts and truth .
I know , I am aware that this is though coming from Centre but still sooo much love for JK
Best teacher in the world 🙏🙏
First of all, K's teaching were not just teachings, were facts. It is a fact that our perception of reality is conditioned by arbitrary linguistic concepts. Now, the sense of corruption comes from the idea that a perception is only valid when is normalized by a mass of people, and every time one tries to organize a mass of people to normalize some perception or ideology, corruption kicks in because "organizers" want to control people, not free them. That's why K points out that the responsability is individual. If you depend on someone else or a organized information center (religions, news, politics) to normalize your psychological existence, you'll aways be a prisioner of said "organizers". The path to psychological freedom is a individual and solitary (not lonely, which is a arbitrarily established reaction to solitude) one.
if the Young only knew, and the Old only could. time and thought is the enemy. it produces fear,and love and compassion never dies.
The dream loudly goes on.....till eternal dawn
You are that energy which pervades everything in the universe and everything that the thoughts have created is passing thing. This the teaching and K rested and talked about that only. Now whosoever will care and listen will get it, that is he will love the teaching. The teaching doesn't come simply with the word caring but rather way of life and I'm the real sense of that word.
Questi insegnamento non andranno Mai persi ...sono prezziosi per tutti coloro i quali sono sul cammino verso se stessi ....conoscere se stessi amando tutto cio che e' .....❤
Magnificent
He wanted people to think for themselves, what part of this don't people understand. RIP SIR ❤️🔥
Love you, Sir.
To take time to be aware of ones thoughts and learn about them and in doing so learn about who you are leads to an awareness which no longer needs a teacher. infact you are then the teacher' because in this awareness is compassion for others who you see are suffering. with this awareness you can see the whole struggles that people go through. personally i cant help but feel a great pity for mankind. so do i think jiddu's teachings will fade. how can it when it is now living in me.
Tony, I've watched a few of Krishnamurti's videos. You seem like you are better versed in his philosophy... To my understanding what he is preaching is that there's a better way to perceive things, a better way for our brains to make up our narratives, without the "I" character and all of it's memories and arbitrary temporal prejudices. And that would be a step into a better world, without nationalism, without dogmas and authotitarian traditions and ways of thinking. But he also says there's no clear path to achieve this kind of brain... Is that it?
Tony, so beautifully said. I agree - that is the essential message. To observe ourselves so to say and in so doing see (as Agatha Christie said in her book 'human beings everywhere are the same' ) the world. Perception!
To be so mindfully aware every living moment. Requires great courage and honesty I feel therein lies the challenge
Great mind
Thank you kft❤
The words of the last Buda !!!
What Class Jiddu has got. ❤Seems like the questioner is UG Krishnamurti. Anyone feels so too?
he is right!
It took divine intervention that we hear K
Nobody today knows what Jesus really said, what he ate, what he did. We know some people wrote words that are in a book that claim he did this or that, said this or that, ate this or that. Same with the Buddha and other religious figures from the past as well.
But we have the video and voice of jk so we understand directly
The problem was he attained this stage of enlightenment automatically and wasn’t able to teach others how to attain that stage in a step-by-step manner. Many of his students understood him but weren’t able to practice his teachings
Yes. I think perhaps he knew this and struggled with it during his life. I think Dr. Bohm tried very hard to help with this as well as help with communication.
because, as K said, "there is no how, when it comes to spiritual matters"
There's a book of his called "JK's notebook" where he've shared his everyday experience with tht energy. He made it published so tht other cn know how difficult is to assimilate tht being. JK suffered severe headaches 'nd migraines, torturous pain around his neck during those initial days whn the supposed transformation 'nd rewiring took place which Theosophists called "The process" about which we've no public info available from the side of Theosophical society. It's a handbook for those who wants to lead this path 'nd the consequences one has to deal with in this journey.
But the point is that there is no step by step! All methods must come to fail due to their involvement with time and desire. I have never encountered a meditation practice which doesn't fail for me after one or two sessions. It seems specially true for me, based on what I've talked to others about. But eventually, all of these methods and practices lead to the stimulation of memory, desire and expectation. It is impossible to escape unless on totally achieves it in an instant so that there is no going back.
He was and still is the business……….quieten the mind and discover the silence……..
Truth
On this 71 st anniversary of the most critical physical destruction of humanity, let's apply the physical sequence onto our psyche. And see how much power the real implosion mean, the bottle neck that once scientists solved, the chain reaction leads to such velocity and power. Pay our sage back: listen, doubt, implore, implode and explode into truth. Live simply, attentively and energetically like he shown us with his physical embodiment. And first do no harm with our thoughts which are the source of actions, no matter how insignificant that maybe, it can be the spark that leads to inferno. Thanks K and friends.
Beautiful ❤️
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Unless one can see the baggage and danger of psychological conditioning mirrors (pointed out) by JK ; It will be it will cling to the (ILLUSIVE) security which the conditioning offers ;
Im bored With the question
An so they named it the Krishnamurti foundation...
Who is the other gentleman on robe?
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I hope not
Amitofo, the buddha said if you don't believe anything, including my teaching. You can leave as it is your choice.
K allways said, im not a teacher. Hes a philosopher...🙈
We humans are always busy to put things into "boxes"... Why care what we name it?
Why is this questioner so passionate about nothing? With Buddha and Christ, our world is still a mess, and he's complaining he has k? There was this second patriarch thousand years ago. He was so thirst for Truth he knelt in 3 foot of snow for days and eventually cut off his right arm to beg for hearing the Truth from the sage. Confucius said " if listening to truth in the morning, dying in the evening is OK" Did the muddled-headed questioner know how many people would give a lot just to be in the company of K, just to listen without that thundering noise? Thanks K and friends.
The compassion of Buddha and Christ still expanding a positive influence through centuries and centuries, yes the world still a mess, the same as the lotus flower grows in the mud, without them, the world it would be even worst. Krishnamurti is great, but we can not deny the legacy of Buddha, Christ or other great teacher of love and compassion,
there is no need to step on some to lift others
@@satoritravel3693 👍agreed
@@satoritravel3693 That's not what K meant. All the teachings of Buddha & Christ are being fabricated which people tend to follow blindly without questioning. K's teachings on the other hand request ourselves to observe which is practical and timely across all centuries.
Corpus callidum why ARE you shooting the messenger? His Q was honest and well meant. He wanted to ask why K DOES NOT agree he is a teacher while his organizstion/'followers' call his words Teachings. K has beautifully explained the difference as he repeatedly says he did not 'want a circus' of his 'teachings'. No middle men. Foundation at best will provide access to pure uncommented upon works of K. I totally like that. I would rather read the Bible or the Gita than some interpretation of it, be it by the greatest scholar. Let me hear the Masters myself. That is what K encouraged I think. You read you think you decide. IMHO.
They already have, haven't they?
Where is full video of this session ? Please provide link 🙏
We have to say that Krishnamurti word and teaching are personal responsability: because we know that most Krishnamurti foundations are begginning to act very strangely, they are becoming corrupt! The teaching are personal responsabilitty!
What I have realised after kundilini awakening, that humanity's superconsciousness is being corrupted by faith and misbeliefs which will eventually corrupt every single person on this path in the future, the word 'profound' which he uses so often tells us about the seriousness of the situation. The concept of having more followers in a belief or a religion is actually affecting the collective consciousness. Those who connect to it, if they have preconceptions of a specific origin are eventually getting hacked by the strength of that belief in superconsciousness, changing the way of thinking ( the free will) of that person to a specific direction. This is what K is against since the start, all he talks about is how to address this problem.
Unfortunately, the questioner also made a very interesting point about K not being a teacher or that the teachings themselves really weren't teachings per se since K operates merely as a mirror, which K didn't really address, other than saying to destroy the mirror if you understand what you see. It also raises the question what it means to "live" the "teachings."? What are the teachings if they are only you and your thoughts, feelings and actions? Quite an interesting question.
From my understanding...Teachings talks about Truth, which is 'that shore'. We, our thoughts, our emotions, sorrow with the me as the centre are in 'this shore'. Living the teachings means to let the truth and not the ego, operate in our life. For example, if my wife hurts me and I hurt her back, that acting, living is from the ego.Whereas if I become aware of my reaction to that hurt and see that my reaction is a mere habit with satisfying my ego as the only purpose, then I may not hurt her. And this 'not hurting' is living the teachings. Of course, frankly, I dont do this all the time. But that difference I have seen personally.
Destroy the mirror if you understand what you see.
That perfectly explains it if you understand. He is a mirror. He is reflecting who we are as humans. If we listen & question with him, then we will start realizing truths about ourselves. When we understand who we are, then we have greater clarity. Our perception becomes closer in alignment with reality.
This message is meant for those who seek truth. To seek truth, as a human being on this planet today, requires persistent reflective judgement, compassion, empathy, integrity, humility, and continuous improvement.
Why do u have to live the teachings? If we truly understand help a another.
Because you are the teacher, and the disciple, he is just showing you the real you by removing the layers of our superficial ego
Hahahah?? What is the question???
Beffiting reply
It is over assumption to say Buddha’s teaching is corrupt or not. How do you know it’s corrupt if you don’t know Buddha’s teachings yourself
He meant most of the holy books or teaching are manipulated over centuries by men according to their will 🙏.
he does know the buddhas teachings - he's saying nobody knows the real teachings of the buddha because of what the last commenter said
infact if you read what the buddhists themselves tell you the only reason we have the teachings is that they were passed down orally first with the first actual writings that we know of coming hundreds of years after
K knows Buddha's teachings because he was raised by Buddhist masters.
And no Buddhist actually becomes a light unto himself.
Which buddha taught. As his last words.
So k is right.
Christ is all about rice bags
What are you going on about? Get on with your life for goodness sake. I wish they'd shut this platform down once and for good.
He had no teachings and nothing. Simply making fool of philosophy
Happy is the man who is nothing.
That is correct. He was not a teacher .