How am I to stop chattering? | Krishnamurti
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Why stop chattering? Just be aware of your chatter, that’s all
I’m sorry Sir. But I have to tell you that the most of human beings are asleep and living on a dream! Every time I listen to this man makes more convinced that he is one of the most intelligent brains of all times.
indeed he is .
I also belive that. I think he is peak of human intelligence. IQ maxiumum. We can have smart people talk about different thing but never more smarter then him. Just focused on different subjects.
You're still asleep.
He was modern buddha
Modern Buddha indeed.
I always had a weird feeling when anybody said that "time heals all wounds"..time doesn't heal anything. When you just observe and accept things as they are they transform naturally, not in a long, drawn out time span. The difficult part is not to look away because it hurts.
'How' means time.
Observe was the how.
@@juliuslacanlale6422 Because you ask how the other fellow invents the system.
Nothing heals because you were never hurt.
Yes but observation requires time, so I do not agree with you.
@@SimonSimon-rn3tm how so fellow being?
Problems begins when you think your mind is chattering. When you observe closely, you understand that you and your mind are same. It’s not your mind, it’s you who chattering.
Fascinating. Thank you for your comment. I think I understand the Observer is the observed... Probably? Lol
Yeah i get it that it's part of me....but the problem is I can't control/access it ? How do i access/control that part of it?
You got this wrong you and mind are not same. You are just an observer and mind is illusion. The more you observe with all your energy the illusion’s of mind disappear.
@@gautamkarthik2230 agreed
You have a mind but "you" are not your mind...how do you "know" you have a thought.... if u know u have a thought...u can't be the thought/ mind..but the " knowing" awareness contains all of this
Keep reminding us sir through sharing k's teachings.thankyou!
My heart melts when he says I wonder if you understand this 🤗
Omg yes.
2:08 I rewatched that part so many times. So much patience. So much feeling.
Yes❤😢
Yes . I felt the same in my heart
Am I the only one don't understand a thing he says
I would like to express my humble gratitude to your channel and team for this unparalleled service to humanity by sharing this priceless lecture on social media. Knowingly or otherwise all ordinary mortals are victims of the chattering mind. This is the path which should take us to riddance from the ever chattering mind..
What a powerful teachings. I can sense the JK ji trying to make us understand the facts. It is true, the moment time comes in to fact, we are away from the truth. Absolute observation means there is no time and it happens immediately. Reminds me of my late father who was highly influenced by JK s teachings, and i had the chance of listening to the lectures from the childhood.
This man is the best there ever was ! Iam not just a hearer of his words iam also a doer and I have listen to just about everything of his on TH-cam. Oh how my life has changed Thank you KRISHNAMURTI I LOVE ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ YOU!
Am no one to question your belife... but still pls taste allan watts and ug krishnamurthi B4 judging him... if ur seriously into it u must try
I love him too.❤
Trust me there is no one on his level and he is 100 percent right as I experienced this too
How did you experienced this?
@@Gaurav.P0 "You" don't experience it, "you" are it....non-duality.
@@Gaurav.P0 you are already lost the fact that you can observe it by saying how. And now while you are reading this you want to change the fact that you said how by doing that you lost believe in yourself if you are still trying to change the fact that you just said "how". It goes on and on and on...
I have always wondered why no one is asking any questions. This all so profound.
Because it’s so profound that needs to hear nd focus deeply .. no need other explanation, just hear 👂 with all ur senses.. i repeat the videos to not miss a single word nd i guess that answers me!
My Husband's Aunt could have used this, rest her soul. She's still probably chattering even now! 🤐
So very hard not to love this astonishingly wise man.
Is he wise? He is only speaking of what is obvious. Just see for yourself.
shots fired at transcendental meditation lmao
I’m not mind. The mind thinks I’m the mind, the thoughts. Observing the mind separates the real you. The chattering stops when you observe the mind. Then you’re in your control and then mind is your slave. Problem is that we forget this often. What a great teaching by JK!!
@@3rdStoneObliterum nice question
If you're not the mind than who are you?
Simple...we are not!!
@@3rdStoneObliterum mind thinks about the things which has impressions on it ,a uncouncious desire hits the mind and we follow that desire blindly without understand where the desire arised. Or without understanding how mind is impressed and captures a desire
When you saying I’m not the mind who is building the words „I’m not the mind“. On this level youre absolutely the mind
C'est majestueux et effrayant, de voir comment ont c'est manipulé par nous-mêmes.. mes quand on comprend vraiment ce qu'il dit nous fesons qu'un.. mets pour beaucoup qui sont matrixé, ne comprendront jamais, et je peux comprendre que c'est dur de comprendre ça..🥲❤
When we say "how am I to stop chattering", what we are doing is creating more thoughts (the "how am I to stop chattering" is another thought) and adding it to the pile of chattering already going on !! That's like adding more gasoline to put out a fire. What JK is saying is to not think but simply SEE (or observe) that this chattering is going on (and simply know that it is pointless to chatter all the time). That stops it.
Easier said than done. Most humans will never experience a quiet mind because it takes attention and patience
@@steveotatooed just sit quietly. dont move eye balls. just be aware. when lost in thought, come back again n again
So why doesn’t he just say it like you said it. The violence example was incredibly stupid. Violence doesn’t dissipate by allowing it to be, by observing it.
@@jidrit999 kya is se enlightenment pa skte hain
@@Traderhood The violence example is a way of speaking about procrastination and self-imposing ideals. Also, violence does stop when you observe and put order by understanding its true nature and pointlessness
conclusion : observe, not shut it, when you're trying to shut it, it didin't change the fact that you are chattering with your mind, observe with no direction and no pressure, you realise that "violence" is just a tag that human made
observe it without any pressure and direction then the mind will go blank
I love him so much 💜🕊
People can never define what love is.. and still use the word so confidently...
If u realy mean it tell me wht love is
Is love pain of letting go ?
Or
Bliss of being Avaliabe?
Pls feel and reply
Ana u love to marry him If u ever got a chance
@@abhip499 at the very first u start questioning love that means u had doubt on it? do u actually doubt love?? if not! why there is question of what love is? The moment u realize or experiences a understanding of love .....
@@abhip499where there is love there is "no ego".
In summary, in my opinion, what he says is anything that is grasped by mind is duality that exists in 3d world and the more one tries to negate one thing using its apposit, it autimatically takes time into consideration and if time is a constant , it means mind is just focused on thesame thing that is trying to negate..So the bottom line is to go beyond mind, that is pure consciousness, and mindfulness!
Correct me if I am wrong. Observation is Meditation, just observe that's all.
Observing the observer is meditation. ❤️🥀
Life is a meditation and we mediate on the concept that we r the body... dont get deluded by incomplete knowlege ...
James Lynn ur a genius. Catch very nicely 👌 👍 👏
How to observe?
Whenever he ask do you understand, he knows that exactly what we don’t understand
By observing something with all your energy without any intent to change or control it, it will disappate. I feel like I'm being taught how my mind operated as a child again. I remember being so frustrated with how adult interacted, and all the "problems" that they invented, and not having a full grasp of language to show them otherwise.
This is absolutely mind blowing
The how is the trap. The how opens up the time loop. How is mind.
He don't want to be world techer but has become a teacher of philosophy - this was reverse psychology being marketed. To tell you the fact - all his followers first get radicalising - once that is achieved - it is to put into his groove . Meditation by any means is more non-sensical activity. What is purpose of meditation is to calm the mind . If that is achieved by simply having no regrets of past nor having no desire to achieve great things in life . Great people have not become great because they wanted become great but because they lead a life of simplicity and their minds wants to good to the society. As long as meditation is not a means to achieve something in life - it's meditation. Meditation is simply leading peaceful life not even desire to reach God . If at all there is a God - he will come to you. Only one person as I know is Gautham Buddha who has taught real meditation by which we can achieve health and intellectual mind to understand life in totality
At 84 he still brings light to humanity
It's like there is kind of split personality, and instead of the energy of consciousness being in one place, it's scattered at many places and this creates dissonance and negative emotion, because some parts are unhappy of what the others are doing, but at the moment you commit to full acceptance, all of the little trailing ends harmonize and are brought back together because they are all happy realizing they're all one thing
THE ILLUSION OF CONTROL: EMBRACING DIRECT OBSERVATION.
* Asking "how" to stop internal chatter is a wrong question, since it introduces time and distracts from direct observation. When we chase something that is not a present fact, that pursuit implies time and thus more chattering. However, by observing the chattering as it is, without trying to change it, all energy is concentrated in that observation, which leads to its dissolution.
* The chattering mind and the observer are one, therefore any effort to change it creates conflict.
* True quietness arises not through methods of meditation or time-based practices but through direct, undistorted observation of the mind without trying to alter it. Real change happens when all energy is focused on understanding the present fact, leading to a natural transformation.
Don’t go to sleep please 🤣🤣🤣same here
The mind never chatters until and unless you try to change it for what it is. Mind is always sleeping until you wake it up and like every animal it’s not required to consult with your mind. It only chatters when you don’t accept it.
I couldn't understand how to implement it ... I was introduced to this idea by Emil Cioran - face the fact directly without distractions - but it's implementation was always a mystery ...
So, I came to the comment section to seek an implementation method/approach - and it suddenly hit me - facing the fact means just accepting it as it is - not interacting and trying to modify it to suit personal ends - and suddenly for a moment the chattering went away - the necessity to seek went away - and truly it suddenly felt like time had momentarily halted ...
But, it was momentary ... And I immediately had the impulse to interact with this "timeless/facing fact" experience - and vent it - write down this comment ... I distracted myself from facing the fact - and the chattering is back, the desire for the chatter to go away is back, time is back ..
The simplest way would be to drop the 'I'!!!! "Chattering" is typical of duality," I" and " you".If I need to communicate with you,yes,dialogue would be required,so that we understand one another.This communication should ideally end after meeting the basics of subsistence to the extent of food,clothing and shelter,and one comes to functional action.Problem is,I need to continue my dialogue,which now transforms into "chatter",as it has now become a means to enhance my comfort zone,and I intend to spend the rest of my life indulging in one sensual experience after another with that " other".For this chatter to end,I will have to switch over to introspection into the working of a mind,and what provokes it to divide into illusory images and perpetuate division and violence,using "chattering" as a weapon.
It may take time to realize it takes no time
At 1.45 I am sold, in my mind is chattering, and I am the mind, but after that... I know I am, but after that? All the guru's keep lurking into that, no dis respect, I think this is what can't be explained, you experience it, and then after experiencing you still can't explain, because its in describsible
How to bring your energy to focus something? That ofcourse is a process ? Again a system or method? I really don't know what is the take away from this video.
I am chattering song in my mind ... Unstoppable...how to stop it?
Start ignoring them if u put your enegy to them they will not stop .. so start ignoring them ... and say to your self these are thoughts are useless
Finally I got that kind of state. and thank you so much for your priceless wisdom. I don't want say anything about it because there is no thought nor thinker if you want that kind of state be choiceless. then you are free from everything 'death' also.
Stay alone some time and mind become very quiet and peaceful
K Sir, I just want to tell you that I love you 😍.
One fictitious self is chattering then another one starts panicking about how to make it stop ,this teaching is true perfect acceptance and solves the issue immediately Thank you for posting this ♥️
Can you explain more , as i did not understand what he means . What happens when all the energy is given in observing ? is he saying to accept the chattering self as it is and not change it ? how will it go away?
@Atul lahane what I think he’s saying is that the part of you that is trying to acquire or achieve something to reach liberation from mind is part of the mind. When you just observe with complete observation (not observing/looking thru a perspective lens) the mind will return to its origin and true silence arises
@@ahmednasser9962 very well said
God bless you for putting up these short summaries
It will motivate many to go to the source and read /listen to these nuggets of wisdom. 🙏
Yes " you" just "see" & it's gone
Love this guy but as matter of fact , he complicate a very simple thing through complex examples.
K was and is Truth personified 🙏
I see this very clearly. The 'how' is a question about a process, which operates in time, and chattering comes free with time.
2:08 I rewatched this part so many times. So much patience. So much feeling.
They say time heals but no, through time we accept it is what it is and that is the real healing
This is the most profound moment for me to listen this!
To have all the mind energy focus on observing the true fact!!! Time is finished!
Deep love to you the Master!
🙏🏼❤️🌈
Yes!Totally present ..no time how cool is that!❤
I love you❤ 💕🍂
« You can’t change time » Wow!!! Thank you ❤
he is just out of this word i can't explain him in words thats it 👐
splendid. enjoyed reading your past lives mr krishnamurti by leadbeater
You and chattering are one. You remain until the chattering remains.
He talks about observing.. but who is the observer here? The mind again..ryt? So mind is observing the mind..and we r again caught up in the same loop.. ryt?
Thanks for uploading. Can you please share the link for this full talk?
Link in the video description
it’s all a wonderful story
But it wasn't a story he just saying to observe the mind carefully
@@shubhamchoubey7361 but do you recon he was watching his mind as he speaks of when he gets frustrated during his lectures? Or is that part of a story. Does Krishna really exist apart from as a part of your mind, same as this comment. Do I really even exist.. This is just text that you see and feel the meaning of the words as each moment passes. Haha, just kidding. Fun memory though. My name is Hugo.
Yeah, when you don't have enough awareness of your inner self and want to play intellectual games all day, in those circumstances all becomes a wonderful story. After all, humans are story-driven species
💜🌍🕊️😇 Thank you teacher 🙏
Don’t go to sleep. Please.
Hmm.. other fellow.. my mind is like a cavern of chaos.. echoed to become one.. ppl call me retarded.. but the calculations endless.. if anything perhaps .. I am the other fellow of my mind.. silence only the drowning sound from listening to others.
Pure semantics, play with words. TM is to quieten the mind. JK abuses it. He has not given steps to avoid the chattering of the mind at all.
Yes!.it is us not the mind who is chattering...we observe so many things and those things come in our mind and we feel why are they coming?.. The moment you ask yourself what are u thinking or saying? Your mind will be blank !
Chattering should be seen by awareness. Chattering would be stop automatically.
Some Krishnamurti speeches are like therapies.
Go home and sleep!😅😅
Once I have listened Krishnamurti ji He said we have learned very much there is something beyond learning.unlearned,In my view That's gives true fact but nowadays even Principle have been used for self perpose through mechanism as inanimate things like metal exist as machinary. but there would be beyond Principle which canot be used that is true over Principle. Principle are simple and make understand what is their property. Many times it seems routine daily.Non violence to be more & more silent. To be aware to awake with that true knowledge,"The knowledge not for mine but for universal no part of any other for individual mine.
Denk nicht, sondern schau.
Observation requires energy in mind coming altogether. That energy is light .
Be a minute observer .
We can see or hear only when the mind is mot chattering, not preoccupied in thoughts . This means we are not mind. Mind is thought or feeling. Amimals don't have mind it seems
I see lot of you have understood what he was trying to convey. Can anyone please care to explain me? Does he mean observe your thoughts as seer so that all your focus is on your thoughts and hence you become thoughtless?
The mind that’s asking how is the observer. So the observer asking how is taking up all the energy and there is no more chattering. Observer and observed are the same.
"Don't go to sleep, please!"
Just, thank you 🙏 ❤
I love you very much K
we r not mind.
wow! yes, the "violence" is original like the "undeveloped".
✨🌈
Genius
Does he mention somewhere why allowing time to change does not bring about change?
Love u sir
Am mesmerised as always.
JK
He is showing innate duality in its most simplistic form.
Waah
🙏
Is anyone able to keep the mind completely still? I try several times a day, but thoughts keep coming. Is it just a matter of practice?
The trick is to do not try. Just simply observe the thoughts. It doesn't require much effort.
It is the stopping of dissipation of energy in finding ways to quieten the mind which will be ultimately used to queiten the mind ..
Indeed..
Thanks sir ji
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wonderful
whatever video I play of KJ I give it a like ❤
This is all words, its the words that make all the chattering
Basically, all is a thought remain detached.
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What will i think after this question?
it means fact was also an illusion ? ( since it keeps changing )
Observation and perspective do tell the tale ...to a keen observer
Is there even energy in observation?
I bow to Ks logic and intelligence
Not thinking is for cattle.
Dont go to sleep please.. !!!😂😂😂
Just observe and accept
I don’t get it at all sadly
He's on about the internal voice we all have, that chats away asking questions and going over things in our past which can cause us anxiety. Once we realise it's part of ourselves chatting away, then it's possible to make this less, or stop it altogether. 🕊
Need time to understand Jiddu K.