Atheist/theist; heaven/hell; good/bad; finite/infinite. When we lEt GO of this center, with no divisions, labels, comparisons, we then see the absurd, illusory and dualistic games our minds play. Thanks K and friends.
A great awakening is upon us. The real ones came here on a mission. A handful of the right people coming together can turn this world upside down again.
Wow blew me out of the water🌏 he says a healthy mind/ a sane mind is not a mind that naturally seeks help😁 brilliant💪👈✌ he says I learn about myself from what others tell me!! And all this knowledge has not freed me from Fear🤔😃😁
The idea is... all this can guide us to start looking inside, but we need to make that trip alone, and that is what we don't like. But we need to surpass that, look inside, it is incredible, you will see what is going on in the world, and when we start to free ourseves.. then the real living starts. Be good, live, relax..
Religion is a technology used to build civilizations. God, soul, heaven, hell are concepts religion uses to establish a narrative that is accepted across a population. Good and bad are used to qualify the soul as consistent with acceptable behavior patterns or not. The result of unacceptable behavior patterns is cancellation of citizenship. JK doesnt accept things he has read, thats speculative, he inquires from first principles and experience.
Belieive what you want no matter what you will not realise the pure truth but certainly you will réalisé that you will become what you belieive in this life
Krishnamurti healed people when he was young. Therefore there is something. He also speaks about an intelligence in universe. But he reject any concept of God or religion because people has perverted these concepts to such an extreme to be unrecognizable.
Yes👌 but there is a force that helps us!!! he never disputes there's a God😁 he just talks about the traditional view of it. Religion./ quote unquote" organized truth" !! you're right
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Because Truth is only true to the original discoverer... As soon as it's codified, written down, and taught as dogma it doesn't mean anything anymore. Religion is inherently wrong. Actually once you understand that you'll see it's what the bible is actually saying underneath the BS... 😂
It may be hard for people with a heart for Jesus or any other denomination to hear what Krishnamurti is Saying about God and Faith, however, whether you want to hear it or not to have a completely rational mind free from fear, sorrow, pain, And hate is a healthy mind. and that is a fact this may make you feel uncomfortable good because lets us face it we are dealing with facts. a healthy Mind one that is not thinking of THE I, THE, ME, THE EGO, and a heart filled with love and compassion. As he once said love and compassion know no Death, takes a completely different level of understanding and is practically impossible to explain. But the most important thing Krishnamurti Said was at the very End of this Clip BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW OURSELVES WE ARE DESTROYING OTHER HUMAN BEINGS... Rest in peace Krishnamurti ...for you are free of this world filled with fear... peace.
this sounds good and all. But the thing that always catches my attention regarding Jesus, is that his followers for the first 200years were basically persecuted and yet they continued to preach, so strong was their belief that they were willing to die. Now you see K on this video and what he is saying has impact because you hear it from the horses mouth. It must have been the same for Jesus right, although I wonder if any of "Us" would die for K's teachings, I know I wouldn't.
O que você diz ou escreve (e são várias coisas que se contradizem, o que basta para JK achar que estas em conflito consigo mesmo ou não te conheces...) mostra, a meu ver, ou que "a luz para si mesmo" não acendeu para ti, ou que a de JK não ilumina, conforme ele pretende, a nossa experiência do mundo em que vivemos. Mas como você caso não me engane, também me vejo na mesma situacao: respeitando JK, sem duvida, mas seguindo-lhe a advertência de não toma-lo por nenhum guru. Acho, aliás, que além dele não há por que não ouvir outros. O outro enquanto tal não é construtivo do que somos?
thank you so much sir thanks alot my only wish if time machine ever invented in to meet u and be with u and learn from u as much as possible and share that knowledge with others like u did but I know this is just a wish.
Here is what i ve learned in what JK says here. 1st : get rid of people who have a grip on : you. could be anyone showing a good mask to fit in society, gurus, priest, therapist, skillfull people. They re not easy to recognize but theses are toxic narcissic(k) compassionless people to flee. 2nd : practice/master your talent so people have no doubt about you working on it or hurt you. 3rd : know yourself and be aware when sometimes the "monkey mind" shows up : bringing fear, anxiety, lazyness and stuff. 4th : Break affective dependance and enjoy your own company, being alone. Then you can decide to meet ppl without expectation/need.
Truth is not necessarily within but we have to go within to see that truth can not be cultivated or attained from a center “ego” Truth is not found in any particular direction. As K has said, truth is a pathless land
@@dilans3621 "Truth" is everything all at once. The self, the imagination, and reality singing in perfect harmony. So many people try to apply what K says, but the whole point is that Truth is not something that is "useful" or "applied" to any given path. Such notions are absurd. If you have to follow a path, if you have to create an unnatural worldview around something, it is merely an image, a presupposition, a game.
Good enquiry.... God is within , subtle awareness of one's self; actions, speech, thoughts, calm ourselves ,Then the learning of ourselves becomes easier...
I wonder if this teacher is actually talking about 'God' or about our vision and need of 'a' God? This aspect of seeking out some external agent to help us is only part of the enigma of God, to me. Life is not all about pain and suffering. Life is also about joy, beauty, and it is a profound mystery. Many have looked at the beauty of the world, the stars, the flowers, the exquisite complexity of life-forms on Earth, and have questioned the possibility of some intelligent agency that may have desired and designed all this beauty. And this has nothing to do with fear and sorrow... maybe with the fear of losing it all, for some? But for some others, it is a feeling of wonder and gratitude for life.
People dont live in a perpetual state of wonder. The human faculties are resources that can be plundered and have been plundered with concepts of god and heaven. Those are the concepts that are used to put in place the order that is required to establish civilizations. The civilizations are from there divided into specialized groups that serve the purpose of the ruling/priestly class. The ruling/priestly class evolves into CEOs/Celebritys/Influencers, military contractors etc.. Concepts of heaven, hell, god and soul are the result of capacities humans have that can be used against them.
Does warmth and gratitude not come from the pain and suffering of the world? I think this is what K is talking about. We assume too much about the world and not ourselves, our human whole. We expect the world to change, when the only things that can change is US. Such notions of good, bad, pain, pleasure, gratitude, all of those are myths.
Faith is based on belief. As far as truth is concerned, belief has no place. We know or we don´t know. When we don´t know for sure, we believe. So, we need to KNOW, nor believe.
something can be true when u talk about it but never witnessed it with your own senses. Being human is always believing... like believing your next step wont be your last, unconciously.
@@fudayl4380 if you believe your next step will be your last ... You can still take a step and experience with your own senses that it wasn't your last step. First you believed ,now you know. wich one is actually more usefull ?
G-d is the ETERNAL ALL-POWERFUL SOURCE of all things you experience. Everything you sense both pleasant and unpleasant comes from the Source. It arise and pass away at its appointed time. Religion through the mind defines or attempts to define WHO or WHAT G-d is. Religion in this sense is Idolatrous. Identification with the mind or belief turns the Source into a human idol, and this misrepresents the Source. But if the mind is subdued by PRESENT AWARENESS OF WHAT'S NOW, then most naturally, it will become greatly intelligent and in tune with the WHOLE NOW. This harmony with the WHOLE NOW, is what is called, doing the WILL OF G-D, corresponding or relating with the SOURCE of all things. Shalom, From a Noahide 🙂🤲🏼
But to know God (and more importantly which God) it is more than to ask for help, but to what he did not mention, is to give thanks for this awesome creation. And that is wholly worthy of holy Worship. Thus far, in my study of truth, of ancient texts, history; The Bible speaks volumes louder than any philosophy methinks.
Then you have fallen for another illusion. You have placed something over another, discriminating against its opposite. The moment you said "it speaks to me," you created an image.
god is within us we have realise it by adopting goid habits and concern for needy and help them with in your capacity,in course of time you can feel the presence of God and our mind will full of peace and happiness.
😁 with the 4000 religions in America not like a big place where religion is serious like India 🙏but anyway ,in America are 4,000 religions 4000 gods!!! Can you see" man "is making this up,$$ keeping this going?? Look at it don't answer yet 💪 ✌
@@mikewright902 : America is known as the police state. Just look at your "for profit prison" population. America went from slavery to mass incarceration. People in America do not even have right to their own body. Your Govt mandates vaccines to increase the demand for healthcare and bans abortions. In India, religion is freedom. In America, religion is authority (a malevolent force)....that's why the back of your Dollar bill states "In God we trust".
Dear Krishnamuti foundation It's marvellous to have this short talk by J KRISHNAMURTI. Please forward the link of the complete talk of this episode. I guess it's not in description box REGARDS .
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Ojai 1982 Q&A 3' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
Regarding always looking for outside help it's the same in politics. We vote for people to help us and then blame them for being what they always were- unable to help us😂.
When NONE of the other living things don’t bother about religion and gods- why should this two legged creature bother and waste his time money and energy ? Work is worship but worship is not work.. Going on thinking about a non existent thing- will definitely make you mad.
If man is incomplete, faith will not complete him. Faith is based on belief. As far as truth is concerned, belief has no place. We know or we don´t know. When we don´t know for sure, we believe.
Somehow there is an assumption of "some kind of state to experience which people/ also JK call truth" and truth is a pathless land and so on...what the f...k is truth more than another concept ......does that make any sense at all....can we not all better shut up about this and conclude that the word is not it (like he frequently says.. but why then so much talking JK...?)..if there is a it at all😅
India is bursting at the seams with gurus and wise old men. Essentially, they make themselves the font of all wisdom for those eager to be told how to live their lives. You could say this is nothing more than a talk from a wise old uncle or in America a paid counsellor. If their advice is to reject organised religion and follow some sort of ‘ cosmic self ‘ , then it’s just atheism with flowers, incense and candles ! The Beatles loved it !
If God is invented by man, then who is the real God? Not always you reach god as a result of fear in fact it's the exact opposite you reach god as a result of love and I don't mean the god created by religion or man made.
smartshoppingg there is nothing like real god. God is created by human mind. Human mind is troubled again and again by various fears, anxieties, guilts etc. So human mind created god and put blame on it saying god created us, and he has to help us during our trouble. This is a type of deceiving our own mind, till the time the troubles get solved.
In America right not like a big place like India but anyway in America there are 4000 religions and 4000 gods out of those religions look it up then look at India!!!!! Man is making god, making religion multiplying it * 10!!!!
God is a cocncept either denying it or accepting it makes you believe in something that you do not know . The way to approach this is to explore but not as been explored by someone (through yoga or something) explore it as you are the first to do it .
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Atheist/theist; heaven/hell; good/bad; finite/infinite. When we lEt GO of this center, with no divisions, labels, comparisons, we then see the absurd, illusory and dualistic games our minds play. Thanks K and friends.
sounds good.......
Telling the facts of life!
A great awakening is upon us. The real ones came here on a mission. A handful of the right people coming together can turn this world upside down again.
Thank God for the truth of K.😅
@@KINGHASEYAs777the great delusion is upon us again 😂👍
Wow blew me out of the water🌏 he says a healthy mind/ a sane mind is not a mind that naturally seeks help😁 brilliant💪👈✌ he says I learn about myself from what others tell me!! And all this knowledge has not freed me from Fear🤔😃😁
Ah. This made me cry more than I have in many years. So beautiful.
The idea is... all this can guide us to start looking inside, but we need to make that trip alone, and that is what we don't like.
But we need to surpass that, look inside, it is incredible, you will see what is going on in the world, and when we start to free ourseves.. then the real living starts. Be good, live, relax..
Being a "Light Unto Self" is all that is needed.
I think the Budhha said that m
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
Mark Twain
Twain was a fool to believe that.
@@oh1life2live nice one
Truth sometimes hurts but still need to accept it,Mark Twain is 100% right
Religion is a technology used to build civilizations. God, soul, heaven, hell are concepts religion uses to establish a narrative that is accepted across a population. Good and bad are used to qualify the soul as consistent with acceptable behavior patterns or not. The result of unacceptable behavior patterns is cancellation of citizenship. JK doesnt accept things he has read, thats speculative, he inquires from first principles and experience.
Brilliant
Belieive what you want no matter what you will not realise the pure truth but certainly you will réalisé that you will become what you belieive in this life
You said you become what you believe in. The whole world believe in God, has the world become godly?
I am asking as per your logic?
Estas afirmando contra JK que a verdade nos é inacessível e a crença, condenada por ele como ilusão, é nossa única possibilidade?
Everytime I re-watch jk videos ,I notice something new
I love J.Krishnamurti
Krishnamurti healed people when he was young. Therefore there is something. He also speaks about an intelligence in universe. But he reject any concept of God or religion because people has perverted these concepts to such an extreme to be unrecognizable.
Yes👌 but there is a force that helps us!!! he never disputes there's a God😁 he just talks about the traditional view of it. Religion./ quote unquote" organized truth" !! you're right
Why does it make it any truer if you practice on a non-organized level?
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355
Because Truth is only true to the original discoverer...
As soon as it's codified, written down, and taught as dogma it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Religion is inherently wrong.
Actually once you understand that you'll see it's what the bible is actually saying underneath the BS... 😂
Faith is for those
Who don't want to
Know the truth
Truth is Within.Explore it.
The great misfortune is that; we don't know ourselves therefore we're destroying other human beings 💪!! Love it.
It may be hard for people with a heart for Jesus or any other denomination to hear what Krishnamurti is Saying about God and Faith, however, whether you want to hear it or not to have a completely rational mind free from fear, sorrow, pain, And hate is a healthy mind. and that is a fact this may make you feel uncomfortable good because lets us face it we are dealing with facts. a healthy Mind one that is not thinking of THE I, THE, ME, THE EGO, and a heart filled with love and compassion. As he once said love and compassion know no Death, takes a completely different level of understanding and is practically impossible to explain. But the most important thing Krishnamurti Said was at the very End of this Clip BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW OURSELVES WE ARE DESTROYING OTHER HUMAN BEINGS... Rest in peace Krishnamurti ...for you are free of this world filled with fear... peace.
this sounds good and all. But the thing that always catches my attention regarding Jesus, is that his followers for the first 200years were basically persecuted and yet they continued to preach, so strong was their belief that they were willing to die. Now you see K on this video and what he is saying has impact because you hear it from the horses mouth. It must have been the same for Jesus right, although I wonder if any of "Us" would die for K's teachings, I know I wouldn't.
@@NZEN_Musicn that's ok u do u
O que você diz ou escreve (e são várias coisas que se contradizem, o que basta para JK achar que estas em conflito consigo mesmo ou não te conheces...) mostra, a meu ver, ou que "a luz para si mesmo" não acendeu para ti, ou que a de JK não ilumina, conforme ele pretende, a nossa experiência do mundo em que vivemos.
Mas como você caso não me engane, também me vejo na mesma situacao: respeitando JK, sem duvida, mas seguindo-lhe a advertência de não toma-lo por nenhum guru.
Acho, aliás, que além dele não há por que não ouvir outros. O outro enquanto tal não é construtivo do que somos?
Becouse we don't know our selfs we destroy other human beings, we destroy this marvellous earth. Truly sad.
Word. Be Blessed Forever JK!
Now its feeling realy simple and clear....
Give it 10 minutes Lol
thank you so much sir thanks alot my only wish if time machine ever invented in to meet u and be with u and learn from u as much as possible and share that knowledge with others like u did but I know this is just a wish.
Esse máximo possível do conhecimento ministrado por JK parece-me que se reduzia a você ver claro em si mesmo o que o real sem quaisquer ilusões.
Very true!
Here is what i ve learned in what JK says here. 1st : get rid of people who have a grip on : you. could be anyone showing a good mask to fit in society, gurus, priest, therapist, skillfull people. They re not easy to recognize but theses are toxic narcissic(k) compassionless people to flee.
2nd : practice/master your talent so people have no doubt about you working on it or hurt you.
3rd : know yourself and be aware when sometimes the "monkey mind" shows up : bringing fear, anxiety, lazyness and stuff.
4th : Break affective dependance and enjoy your own company, being alone. Then you can decide to meet ppl without expectation/need.
Thank you for uploading.
Truth is not necessarily within but we have to go within to see that truth can not be cultivated or attained from a center “ego”
Truth is not found in any particular direction. As K has said, truth is a pathless land
What is truth that you and K refer to?
@@dilans3621 "Truth" is everything all at once. The self, the imagination, and reality singing in perfect harmony. So many people try to apply what K says, but the whole point is that Truth is not something that is "useful" or "applied" to any given path. Such notions are absurd. If you have to follow a path, if you have to create an unnatural worldview around something, it is merely an image, a presupposition, a game.
Good enquiry.... God is within , subtle awareness of one's self; actions, speech, thoughts, calm ourselves ,Then the learning of ourselves becomes easier...
Proving god is easy but believing it is hard.
Gratitude! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I love you.
I wonder if this teacher is actually talking about 'God' or about our vision and need of 'a' God? This aspect of seeking out some external agent to help us is only part of the enigma of God, to me. Life is not all about pain and suffering. Life is also about joy, beauty, and it is a profound mystery. Many have looked at the beauty of the world, the stars, the flowers, the exquisite complexity of life-forms on Earth, and have questioned the possibility of some intelligent agency that may have desired and designed all this beauty. And this has nothing to do with fear and sorrow... maybe with the fear of losing it all, for some? But for some others, it is a feeling of wonder and gratitude for life.
🙏🏻
People dont live in a perpetual state of wonder. The human faculties are resources that can be plundered and have been plundered with concepts of god and heaven. Those are the concepts that are used to put in place the order that is required to establish civilizations. The civilizations are from there divided into specialized groups that serve the purpose of the ruling/priestly class. The ruling/priestly class evolves into CEOs/Celebritys/Influencers, military contractors etc.. Concepts of heaven, hell, god and soul are the result of capacities humans have that can be used against them.
Does warmth and gratitude not come from the pain and suffering of the world?
I think this is what K is talking about. We assume too much about the world and not ourselves, our human whole. We expect the world to change, when the only things that can change is US. Such notions of good, bad, pain, pleasure, gratitude, all of those are myths.
Davvero illuminante!! Tra gli altri video questo mi conferma sempre più la sola conoscenza di noi stessi liberandosi da religioni ed ideologie ❤
Awakening words indeed, there is no body like K
Excellent!
Thank you.
Only channel whose videos I like and share .
tremendous idea
Faith is based on belief. As far as truth is concerned, belief has no place. We know or we don´t know. When we don´t know for sure, we believe. So, we need to KNOW, nor believe.
something can be true when u talk about it but never witnessed it with your own senses. Being human is always believing... like believing your next step wont be your last, unconciously.
@@fudayl4380 if you believe your next step will be your last ... You can still take a step and experience with your own senses that it wasn't your last step. First you believed ,now you know. wich one is actually more usefull ?
G-d is the ETERNAL ALL-POWERFUL SOURCE of all things you experience. Everything you sense both pleasant and unpleasant comes from the Source. It arise and pass away at its appointed time. Religion through the mind defines or attempts to define WHO or WHAT G-d is. Religion in this sense is Idolatrous. Identification with the mind or belief turns the Source into a human idol, and this misrepresents the Source.
But if the mind is subdued by PRESENT AWARENESS OF WHAT'S NOW, then most naturally, it will become greatly intelligent and in tune with the WHOLE NOW.
This harmony with the WHOLE NOW, is what is called, doing the WILL OF G-D, corresponding or relating with the SOURCE of all things.
Shalom,
From a Noahide 🙂🤲🏼
I would "like" this excellent comment, but I saw, I had already marked in the past.
Buddha said the same thing before His death. Unbelievable ! 😊❤
❤
But to know God (and more importantly which God) it is more than to ask for help, but to what he did not mention, is to give thanks for this awesome creation. And that is wholly worthy of holy Worship. Thus far, in my study of truth, of ancient texts, history; The Bible speaks volumes louder than any philosophy methinks.
Then you have fallen for another illusion. You have placed something over another, discriminating against its opposite. The moment you said "it speaks to me," you created an image.
god is within us we have realise it by adopting goid habits and concern for needy and help them with in your capacity,in course of time you can feel the presence of God and our mind will full of peace and happiness.
😁 with the 4000 religions in America not like a big place where religion is serious like India 🙏but anyway ,in America are 4,000 religions 4000 gods!!! Can you see" man "is making this up,$$ keeping this going?? Look at it don't answer yet 💪 ✌
@@mikewright902 : America is known as the police state. Just look at your "for profit prison" population. America went from slavery to mass incarceration. People in America do not even have right to their own body. Your Govt mandates vaccines to increase the demand for healthcare and bans abortions. In India, religion is freedom. In America, religion is authority (a malevolent force)....that's why the back of your Dollar bill states "In God we trust".
..I once had time for you...
More and more I think about how clever George Lucas was by using “The Force” to simplify the best in spirituality.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Jk is amazing
It's a belief you can trick your mind
Dear Krishnamuti foundation
It's marvellous to have this short talk by J KRISHNAMURTI.
Please forward the link of the complete talk of this episode.
I guess it's not in description box
REGARDS
.
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Ojai 1982 Q&A 3' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
Video is about 11:11 long strange.
Even the communists, ahahahahh !!!
Regarding always looking for outside help it's the same in politics. We vote for people to help us and then blame them for being what they always were- unable to help us😂.
I am lost, I need help now
02.01.2024
When NONE of the other living things don’t bother about religion and gods- why should this two legged creature bother and waste his time money and energy ? Work is worship but worship is not work.. Going on thinking about a non existent thing- will definitely make you mad.
You're God cause it's in your mind. You're Evil cause it's in your mind
No man is complete. Fear keep us from killing each others. God is faith. Man is not complete without faith.
If man is incomplete, faith will not complete him. Faith is based on belief. As far as truth is concerned, belief has no place. We know or we don´t know. When we don´t know for sure, we believe.
@@DihelsonMendonca yup thats what i say it is just a believe that there is no god not truth based facts.
..why do you ask.
Somehow there is an assumption of "some kind of state to experience which people/ also JK call truth" and truth is a pathless land and so on...what the f...k is truth more than another concept ......does that make any sense at all....can we not all better shut up about this and conclude that the word is not it (like he frequently says.. but why then so much talking JK...?)..if there is a it at all😅
Tradução ruim
Practically speaking how is this any different than atheism?
India is bursting at the seams with gurus and wise old men. Essentially, they make themselves the font of all wisdom for those eager to be told how to live their lives. You could say this is nothing more than a talk from a wise old uncle or in America a paid counsellor. If their advice is to reject organised religion and follow some sort of ‘ cosmic self ‘ , then it’s just atheism with flowers, incense and candles ! The Beatles loved it !
Why all these words, why not just say what he wants to say in a short precise manner.
If God is invented by man, then who is the real God? Not always you reach god as a result of fear in fact it's the exact opposite you reach god as a result of love and I don't mean the god created by religion or man made.
smartshoppingg there is nothing like real god. God is created by human mind. Human mind is troubled again and again by various fears, anxieties, guilts etc. So human mind created god and put blame on it saying god created us, and he has to help us during our trouble. This is a type of deceiving our own mind, till the time the troubles get solved.
In America right not like a big place like India but anyway in America there are 4000 religions and 4000 gods out of those religions look it up then look at India!!!!! Man is making god, making religion multiplying it * 10!!!!
@@sukantjoshi6412 Tqs for ur explaination
God is a cocncept either denying it or accepting it makes you believe in something that you do not know . The way to approach this is to explore but not as been explored by someone (through yoga or something) explore it as you are the first to do it .
After 4 years have your thoughts changed?
K doesn’t want to be your leader and is not god.
Mns right thumb down
Relegation unknowing idialowgi it violence of against humanity hated relegation activity mistake originally human univers of light darecsion sanatani Drama direction wisdom of light on there life lessons to find out who am I indubuly on freedom of light soul to supreme soul direction wisdom of light it beetwin soul to supreme believe sistam conseuiness of knowledge ni t by relegation it God and on believe sistam in soul direction wisdom of light on destination
He is sick, or only old on this tape?
He is 87 years old at the time of the recording.
Wow why would you say that ?he's sick ?he sounds pretty clear to me😁! What didn't you like please explain?
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏