I've had my 23 colorado ZR2 for over 6 months and it gives me 20mpg at 70mph and 18mpg at 80, I almost always average 18-19mpg per tank unless towing. On a road trip I can go 330-350 miles between fill ups and still have 2g to spare with its 21g tank. I'm about to take the truck on a 3k miles road trip through Arizona, Utah, and Colorado including a few days in Moab. I really love the truck and it suits my needs perfectly. I don't see how Toyota can justify charging $14k more for a TRD Pro with such strong competition from GM and Ford.
If it was $20K less, Toyota would go out of business from not just losing $ but from not having the billions of dollars necessary to do R&D for the next generation of their vehicles.
@@ryansheard8092 Copium. Remember, the Tacoma is now being produced entirely in Mexico, where the labor is significantly cheaper. Instead of passing those savings on to the consumer, they are charging a premium for it.
@Jomonji 🤦♂️....go review Toyota's EBITDA as a % from 10 yrs ago to today. That will tell you all you need to know about pricing. The "production in Mexico means prices should be cheaper" isn't rooted in anything but non-business minded people's imagination. I'm not dissing you, I'm just saying that line of thinking isn't real in the business world. Comparing EBITDA as a % will begin to inform you about how pricing is affecting the entire company. Furthermore, you do realize that, as in every company, the most popular products must pay not only for themselves (Toyota has spent billions on the redesign of their trucks) but for the other products that either lose money or don't make much. It's not just the Tacoma pricing paying for itself. It must make up for the less profitable Cotlrolla and such.
2023 pro $53K vs 2024 $65K is a huge jump In price. Tacoma beast review running 35's is claiming truck runs hot time will tell if the 4 banger will hold up to the test of time. I also watched TFL's reviews towing with the new 2024 and it sounded like the little engine was screaming pulling the hill. Maybe Toyota will give us the 4.0 back as an option down the road.
@@BrickyardPowerMan WA state here. Ironically, it'd be rare to not see a dealer markup here. 15k required add-ons for a prius and we're still running 10k add-ons for the outgoing 4-runner. Lexus has a 4k discount on specific models but they still charge a 4.5k non-negotiable add-on package. Audi e-tron 10k markup (literally can't even sell but dealers here refuse to move). Literally anything you can imagine has a markup here. If I lived in the midwest maybe that would be a different story.
@@sueddo2634 Wow, that is crazy. I bought my wife a 2023 GX460 in March 2023 with $8K off MSRP (Indiana). I'm looking at a 2024 Tundra Limited (loaded) or Platinum) and getting offers of $9-11K off. Was in Houston last week with the $11K off. $8K(ish) off MSRP and 11.5K off their add-ons but they were actually valuable or realistic add-ons. My preferred dealer is offering me $9K off a Platinum now. Going to look at it Wednesday. Not my #1 or #2 color choice so we'll see. Just told them both (Houston and local IN dealer) that I wasn't paying these BS prices. Everyone knows Toyota is overpriced right now. They got themselves in this situation riding the 2021/2022 price increase train (MY 2022/2023 models) and not certain they know how to lower them. Tesla lowered their prices and got sued. Funny story, the Houston dealer tried to tell me he uses this special distributor who builds vehicles special that other disti's don't - like I give a Fu@K ....Don't care about the TSS or whatever. I want what I want. He tried telling me he was bigger than my local dealer and could offer me more - I drive 3 hours where i live in Indiana passing ~12 Toyota dealers to go to my guy - I've bought ~12 Toyotas from him in 8 years cause he doesn't make my life difficult - I call, we talk, he sells, I buy! Houston has gotta do better than that! Was in Houston last week on a business trip and if we could have worked out the details I would have driven this sweet silver Tundra loaded Limited home. It fell apart as I needed my trade for the equity and sales tax savings which was 900 miles away. Oh well, my local dealer who is 3 hours away is searching for my special truck now.
My 2021 MANUAL TRD PRO with a decked system and GFC averages 21 mpg on the highway when doing the same test as in this video. The key is that I don't drive over 65 mph and I get into 6th gear.
My 23’ pro 4x is averaging 18.3 with the v6 and 80% of my driving being side roads, stop and go, 40-50mph tops. Very little highway, I’d imagine it would be better than 19mpg if I had more highway driving. I also have bigger/heavier tires than stock, so I’m surprised to see the turbocharged 4cyl didn’t do much better than my v6.
What speed is the EPA valuation based on? I understand that this video is based on what most buyers will see, but testing the truck with matching speeds would increase the accuracy of the results I would expect.
I’ve truck but damn price is unrealistic for most. I wish these sat around $50k max. I remember 2018 I got my off road with some add ons for $37.5k 😅 how times have changed
😂😂.....sure. THAT'S the reason. You wouldn't/shouldn't buy if it was 700 miles a tank. Anyone saying MPG is their "reason" is not in a position to buy.
@@ryansheard8092 The 4th gen is a hard pass for many reasons. If there was a N/A V6 there would be much less complaints about the price, as ridiculous as it is.
@@ryansheard8092 Even those who can afford it want better mpg. Why even switch to a 4-banger if you hardly get any better mpg? For the marginal mpg gains that the 4 banger gets, they might as well have stuck with a V6. If it got 30 mpg combined then that would be a different story but its hardly any better witch makes the move from a v6 just dumb.
20mpg is bad for this little truck. I have a 2021 Raptor with 3.5 engine and 35 inch tires and it gets easily over 20mpg going 70mph. So 20 mpg is bad for that little truck.
The Tundra iForce Max engine is focused on performance, not efficiency. The hybrid system is in serial to the drivetrain unlike their cars and SUVs which is parallel.
$63,900 before markups. Quick math: $6,400 down (10%) + tax and interest (7.64) 60 Months Payment: $1260 @12.5% of take home pay you should be earning $157,500 annually to be looking at this car (assuming the appropriate taxes are coming out of your paycheck). National average wage (US Census): $63795. Percentage making $150k annually: approx. 8.3% 5 Year price increase Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro: 2019 MSRP: $42,960 2024 MSRP: $63,900 49% increase Wage growth 2019-2024: 1.7% (Source: US Treasury) These price increases far outpace inflation and wage growth. Toyota is targeting 8% of total market. Or people who just want to act fiscally irresponsible.
100% correct. Toyota got too greedy probably looking at sales numbers when interest was 0% and the tacoma cost 40k. The sales numbers are going to be horrible for these
Here’s what I’m thinking, TRD off-road with non hybrid engine. Add some bigger tires for looks and maybe put a tune on the engine down the road for more power.
Please do an mpg test for the Colorado ZR2 Bison!!! If that thing gets 18 mpg on 35s, this Tacoma has some tough competition to beat 😅. I 100% bet putting 35s on this Tacoma will bring mpg to 15-16 before adding bumpers, armor, etc. I'm still bewildered by the price tag. $67K? Geez....Makes the Colorado ZR2 Bison at $63K a much better deal as it comes with 35s, fully armored, and has a full warranty from the factory.
A hybrid system that can neither maintain peak torque for long nor improve efficiency in any significant way all while increasing cost, weight, complexity and incase of SUVs decreasing cargo volume… well done Toyota!
The iForceMax "hybrid" isn't an efficiency hybrid its a power hybrid...giving you in-line hybrid assistance for HP and Torque w/o compromising efficiency (same MPG with higher HP/Torque??). Same as the Tundra. Also agree with earlier comments...$20k too expensive. Almost as much as my stock 1794 Edition Tundra!
I like the look of the new generation and the suspension seats. Other than that, it’s a hard pass. I’m still in love with my ‘21 TRD pro. After I got it tuned, the MPG is just slightly lower than this new generation
I dont know what mpg this will get but to give a base to compare it with my sons 2023 tacoma TRD off road gets 24 mpg on the highway consistently as long as you don't get into the pedal hard.
My Stock brand new 2013 Tacoma TRD OFF ROAD, got 21 out of the box before I lifted it and used bigger tires with the 4.0, is the hybrid an improvement, NOPE, part of the problem, is the HYBRID weighs 1200 pounds more, 2 more cylinders in an engine is much better for fuel economy, but the GOV has the auto industry scared of emissions, but overall emissions are probably similar.
They built a performance hybrid with terrible gas mileage, when the public wanted them to build a fuel efficient Tacoma that would get 28-30 mpg. This is only the beginning of the backlash Toyota is going to receive, plus the price tag is ridiculous! I have a 2007 F150 that’ll get 18-19 mpg on the highway. You are better off just getting a full sized pickup than buying this.
I think the TRD PRO looks a lot better (subjective) but apart from that the ranger raptor straight up dominates this truck in every category and it’s cheaper lol.
My GMC Sierra 2500 HD Duramax diesel gets 23-25 mpg on the highway at 70mph What a joke that new hybrid powertrain is, just buy the non hybrid Taco if that’s what you want.
I used to love midsize trucks (owned a Frontier) but don’t understand them now when a 4 cylinder hybrid tacoma is just as expensive and just as thirsty as a V8 half ton, without the space or comfort. This also makes me nervous we won’t see 25 on the new Land Cruiser.
It shouldn't be one or the other. In fact, the definition of "Efficient" means to achieve maximum productivity or output with minimal waste. With a good hybrid system, they should be able to increase power while also gaining fuel economy and improving overall efficiency. In the Taco's case, its IFM hybrid is just not that efficient. Same is true for the Tundra's Hybrid system. That's odd because Toyota's other hybrid systems are great at improving fuel economy and increasing power at the same time.
Since it should be electronically operated, you should be able to program it to whatever you need. For fuel economy, ideally it would help you get up to speed/acceleration since that is where most of the MPG suffers around town. For highway driving the Hybrid system would need to be a little more nuanced to help MPG, such as assisting when going up grade. If all you were looking for is a more powerful tacoma, it might be cheaper to buy 3rd gen taco and do an engine swap with tundra (V35A-FTS twin-turbo V6), you'd probably achieve better gas mileage than the 4th gen hybrid tacos as well.
Either with or without the Iforce max option putting a 4-cylinder turbo engine in a slightly bigger Tacoma, as opposed to the previous gen, is not a good call on Toyota’s R &D department. Way too expensive for what 4gen advocates like TrdJon, Robmotive, and others are trying to promote, sell, and argue. 😳
2024 Toyota Tacoma sales are low due to higher price for non hybrid Tacoma … this is way too much for 19 mpg midsize truck. They are going to have a bad sales year for this truck.
Hybrid really doesn’t work on highway it’s meant for city stop and go traffic. That’s were you will see better gas mileage so combined with highway probably 23mpg
That isn’t good, I got over 24 mpg in the last-gen Chevy Colorado V6, at higher speeds, so, really under 20 mpg for the 24 Tacoma TRD Pro (hybrid), Toyota needs a large fuel tank option, side note, I got 21.2 over 1100+ mile on a 2024 Chevy Suburban and one tank full was 24.1 mpg (crazy), loaded down, to be fair, I only use Top Tier gas
There is absolutely no point for the 4 cylinder engine. Gas mileage sucks. Should’ve put the turbo V6 in the Tacoma. Guarantee the gas mileage would be better with the Tundra engine. Made in Mexico, has a 4 cylinder engine, and cost $15k more than 23 model. No thanks I’ll pass.
@@schadlarry 2002 Tacoma is a joke, is a lot smaller, smaller wheels, less weight/power, etc. Turbocharged engine doesn't necessarily mean less reliability. There are a lot of examples where turbo engine is more reliable than some NA engines.
@@Eugen-E You have zero examples the new motor is more reliable than the 5VZ-FE. Smaller means no pinstriping when you go to the mall. I have enough power to get up mountain roads, on and off. I've yet to break a front axle unlike TFL spinning on some ice. I'll just jb weld my ipad to the dash and pretend my 02 is a 24, but of course still won't have the made in mexico quality.
It’s pretty sad how inefficient these trucks are. My 2004 Ranger 2.3L 5speed gets 29mpg hwy. Ever loaded down with weight and off-road wheels, I still get 27 at least. Oh and I paid $2,500 for the truck, not $70k after taxes. $100k after loan interest. F Toyota
The EPA ratings are done usually at 60mph, not 70. Also, with a turbo vehicle, you need to drive at the proper RPM that doesn't generate boost. If we could see the numbers of the torque curve on that Tacoma, we would know at what speed it should be driven for fuel economy.
The EPA's test cycle isn't just a steady given speed, it involves a range of speed and engine loads. They even including on-ramps. The engine very much sees boost when completing the test cycle.
Yes, there is. The test starts at 0 MPH and has a 3.2 MPH/second acceleration, simulating an on-ramp. You can find the various conditions and requirements for the Highway Cycle on the EPA's website.
Wow, 20 mpg with a 4 banger is nothing to write home about. With all the available technology today, that truck should be getting 28 easy. It's a 4 banger for crying out loud. Heck, I get 17-19 in my 2019 Tundra TRD PRO on the Hwy.
toyota designed the disposable 2024 tacoma to be traded in every 3 years before it self destructs.....forcing you to forever buy a new one. durability, reliability left with the 2023 model. projected trade in value of the 2024 model is shit.
What are you talking about “when you get into the 2.7 GM trucks, you’re down in to the 10’s”?!?! I have 23 Silverado 2.7 turbo crew cab 4x4 LT stock with 20 inch wheels and at 70 mph with outside temp in the 60’s I get constantly over 25 mpg avg on a full tank. At 83 mph it gets 21.5 and in the city it gets 19.5. The best I got on a full tank (around 500miles) is 26.1 mpg avg. It weighs more than the Tacoma, rated to tow 9k lbs and rated to carry 1890 lbs in the bed.
Come one come all! Get your $65,000 Mexican gas guzzling 4 banger! They won’t last long!!!!
lol
I love the look but what a disappointment in price and MPG.
I've had my 23 colorado ZR2 for over 6 months and it gives me 20mpg at 70mph and 18mpg at 80, I almost always average 18-19mpg per tank unless towing. On a road trip I can go 330-350 miles between fill ups and still have 2g to spare with its 21g tank. I'm about to take the truck on a 3k miles road trip through Arizona, Utah, and Colorado including a few days in Moab. I really love the truck and it suits my needs perfectly. I don't see how Toyota can justify charging $14k more for a TRD Pro with such strong competition from GM and Ford.
Exactly if I was Chevy and Ford I would definitely start getting smart with prices to take advantage of the car buyers in 2024
Your numbers are close to this trd pro. Perfectly inline with all the top of the line midsizers
He was talking about the pro version of the zr2 which is the bison.
You are not wrong
@@beexiong2995 but without hybrid system -___-
wow that's a huge lower difference than advertised, thank you for this real world test!
That amount of power and economy would be acceptable if the TRD Pro was 20k cheaper to buy.
No doubt!
If it was $20K less, Toyota would go out of business from not just losing $ but from not having the billions of dollars necessary to do R&D for the next generation of their vehicles.
@@ryansheard8092 Copium. Remember, the Tacoma is now being produced entirely in Mexico, where the labor is significantly cheaper. Instead of passing those savings on to the consumer, they are charging a premium for it.
@@ryansheard8092nah, not this time dude. Toyota got greedy, these trucks are sitting in lots because they out-priced their usual customers.
@Jomonji 🤦♂️....go review Toyota's EBITDA as a % from 10 yrs ago to today. That will tell you all you need to know about pricing. The "production in Mexico means prices should be cheaper" isn't rooted in anything but non-business minded people's imagination. I'm not dissing you, I'm just saying that line of thinking isn't real in the business world. Comparing EBITDA as a % will begin to inform you about how pricing is affecting the entire company. Furthermore, you do realize that, as in every company, the most popular products must pay not only for themselves (Toyota has spent billions on the redesign of their trucks) but for the other products that either lose money or don't make much. It's not just the Tacoma pricing paying for itself. It must make up for the less profitable Cotlrolla and such.
Imagine buying a mid size hybrid pickup and your neighbor with a Tahoe rst gets better mileage than you.
For about the same price.
True. My 2023 Silverado Z71 with the 3.0 Duramax averages 25 but has given me up to 38 mpg .. absolutely, love my chevy!
Very doubtful
@@cruzn4u what's doubtful?
@@lorenzolopez6238 division is hard?
@Daily Motor You got the HP/ lb-ft mixed up. It's 326 Hp and 465 lb-ft
Best looking midsized pickup truck ever hands down, Toyota did an outstanding job building this best looking pickup truck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks are subjective
Kind of happy I didn't wait and got my 2023, That extra $$ would have hurt the pocket
You know the hybrid on the Tacoma is not for fuel economy, it’s for additional power.
Charlie, This TRD Pro is getting some pretty amateur mpg results. Maybe a humongous spoiler under the front bumper would help. 😉😉
It seems hybrid motors are more about emission standards (or about meeting future emission standards) than they are about fuel economy.
The Tacoma pro will sell for sure !!
😂😂
😂😂 good one
They’re not selling. A whole bunch of them are just sitting in dealer lots. Sad times
@@jed23ify they haven't even rolled off of the assembly lines yet lol
@@andrewfrankart2684 dude, they’ve been on dealer lots.
FYI 326hp/ 465 torque
My 21 TRD off-road gets 22-24 on long trips, I got it up to 25 mpg a few times. About 17-19 in town.
2023 pro $53K vs 2024 $65K is a huge jump In price. Tacoma beast review running 35's is claiming truck runs hot time will tell if the 4 banger will hold up to the test of time. I also watched TFL's reviews towing with the new 2024 and it sounded like the little engine was screaming pulling the hill. Maybe Toyota will give us the 4.0 back as an option down the road.
After dealer markups you are going to be upside down on this truck…..mpg’s is going to be the least of your concerns
Dealer markups are few and far between these days
@@BrickyardPowerMan WA state here. Ironically, it'd be rare to not see a dealer markup here. 15k required add-ons for a prius and we're still running 10k add-ons for the outgoing 4-runner. Lexus has a 4k discount on specific models but they still charge a 4.5k non-negotiable add-on package. Audi e-tron 10k markup (literally can't even sell but dealers here refuse to move). Literally anything you can imagine has a markup here. If I lived in the midwest maybe that would be a different story.
@@sueddo2634 Wow, that is crazy. I bought my wife a 2023 GX460 in March 2023 with $8K off MSRP (Indiana). I'm looking at a 2024 Tundra Limited (loaded) or Platinum) and getting offers of $9-11K off. Was in Houston last week with the $11K off. $8K(ish) off MSRP and 11.5K off their add-ons but they were actually valuable or realistic add-ons. My preferred dealer is offering me $9K off a Platinum now. Going to look at it Wednesday. Not my #1 or #2 color choice so we'll see. Just told them both (Houston and local IN dealer) that I wasn't paying these BS prices. Everyone knows Toyota is overpriced right now. They got themselves in this situation riding the 2021/2022 price increase train (MY 2022/2023 models) and not certain they know how to lower them. Tesla lowered their prices and got sued. Funny story, the Houston dealer tried to tell me he uses this special distributor who builds vehicles special that other disti's don't - like I give a Fu@K ....Don't care about the TSS or whatever. I want what I want. He tried telling me he was bigger than my local dealer and could offer me more - I drive 3 hours where i live in Indiana passing ~12 Toyota dealers to go to my guy - I've bought ~12 Toyotas from him in 8 years cause he doesn't make my life difficult - I call, we talk, he sells, I buy! Houston has gotta do better than that! Was in Houston last week on a business trip and if we could have worked out the details I would have driven this sweet silver Tundra loaded Limited home. It fell apart as I needed my trade for the equity and sales tax savings which was 900 miles away. Oh well, my local dealer who is 3 hours away is searching for my special truck now.
IforceMax Hybrid is meant for power and emissions
Do you have the heads up display turned off? Couldn’t see it.
my biggest gripe with 4th gen other than the new and larger “Toyota tax” is smaller gas tank.
I get 20-22 mpg with my 2023 Tacoma trd pro currently
OTT and 23’ Pro Manual 23 mpg imperial
My 3rd gen v6 gets that mpg. Glad i kept mine and 0 monthly payments doesn't hurt either.
My 2021 MANUAL TRD PRO with a decked system and GFC averages 21 mpg on the highway when doing the same test as in this video. The key is that I don't drive over 65 mph and I get into 6th gear.
Disappointed numbers from Toyota, small tank, only 19 MPG and it only cost $65K 😂
Thanks for the honest review.
What a collosal failure. Probably the best looking truck ive ever seen, that WONT SELL. Toyota can fuck itself with all 65k of those dollars.
The falsified the game with no shame and they the ones to blame. Real talk they can keep every last one of them.
@reallegend667 were you rhyming on purpose
@@fsufootball6984not sure if it was on purpose, but this TRD was a huge miss, Toyota can keep it, it’s worth less than my piss
very similar to my 2023 naturally aspirated V6 4 Runner
Same as our 21 4Runner Trail and not much better than our 23’ Tacoma Pro - manual.
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My 23’ pro 4x is averaging 18.3 with the v6 and 80% of my driving being side roads, stop and go, 40-50mph tops. Very little highway, I’d imagine it would be better than 19mpg if I had more highway driving. I also have bigger/heavier tires than stock, so I’m surprised to see the turbocharged 4cyl didn’t do much better than my v6.
What speed is the EPA valuation based on? I understand that this video is based on what most buyers will see, but testing the truck with matching speeds would increase the accuracy of the results I would expect.
My 23 Nissan Titan Pro-4x was getting 23 mpg on the hwy stock. I've done a few mods and now I'm getting 28 mpg on the hwy!!
What did you do? Put summer tires?
That's a lie
@@Traumatree
Intake, throttle body, headers with header cooling wrap, bigger exhaust cam gear, exhaust, diablo sports tune, 92 octane tune.
@@jedeckert8912
Nope.
That's amazing news!
And that's with twice as many cylinders to boot.
I’ve truck but damn price is unrealistic for most. I wish these sat around $50k max. I remember 2018 I got my off road with some add ons for $37.5k 😅 how times have changed
A pass for me..350 miles a tank? No thank you.
😂😂.....sure. THAT'S the reason. You wouldn't/shouldn't buy if it was 700 miles a tank. Anyone saying MPG is their "reason" is not in a position to buy.
@@ryansheard8092 The 4th gen is a hard pass for many reasons. If there was a N/A V6 there would be much less complaints about the price, as ridiculous as it is.
@@ryansheard8092 Even those who can afford it want better mpg. Why even switch to a 4-banger if you hardly get any better mpg? For the marginal mpg gains that the 4 banger gets, they might as well have stuck with a V6. If it got 30 mpg combined then that would be a different story but its hardly any better witch makes the move from a v6 just dumb.
@@Jomonji the hybrid 4 cylinder Turbo will far out perform the V6. The hybrid wasn't done for MPG.
@@ryansheard8092 what about outlive?
I dont know why people expect better mpg from an offroad truck thats lifted with 33 inch stock tires. It's never going to be efficient.
There's always hope.
20mpg is bad for this little truck.
I have a 2021 Raptor with 3.5 engine and 35 inch tires and it gets easily over 20mpg going 70mph. So 20 mpg is bad for that little truck.
This truck is underwhelming compared to gen 2 and 3. They are sitting on the lots here, collecting pollen and sucking air
I really hope that you can get hold of a Ford Ranger Raptor and do this very same test.
The Tundra iForce Max engine is focused on performance, not efficiency. The hybrid system is in serial to the drivetrain unlike their cars and SUVs which is parallel.
$63,900 before markups.
Quick math:
$6,400 down (10%)
+ tax and interest (7.64)
60 Months Payment: $1260
@12.5% of take home pay you should be earning $157,500 annually to be looking at this car (assuming the appropriate taxes are coming out of your paycheck).
National average wage (US Census): $63795.
Percentage making $150k annually: approx. 8.3%
5 Year price increase Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro:
2019 MSRP: $42,960
2024 MSRP: $63,900
49% increase
Wage growth 2019-2024: 1.7% (Source: US Treasury)
These price increases far outpace inflation and wage growth.
Toyota is targeting 8% of total market. Or people who just want to act fiscally irresponsible.
100% correct. Toyota got too greedy probably looking at sales numbers when interest was 0% and the tacoma cost 40k. The sales numbers are going to be horrible for these
My 2021 raptor with the 3.5 and 35 inch tires gets over 20mpg at 70mph so that’s bad in such a small truck
EPA numbers probably based on the speed limit of 65 mph not over 70 mph. The higher speeds tend to burn gas faster
I knew that, the mpg range always is 2 miles below the city mpg.
It's not worth it to buy hybrid for more power if we don't need it.
Here’s what I’m thinking, TRD off-road with non hybrid engine. Add some bigger tires for looks and maybe put a tune on the engine down the road for more power.
Please do an mpg test for the Colorado ZR2 Bison!!! If that thing gets 18 mpg on 35s, this Tacoma has some tough competition to beat 😅. I 100% bet putting 35s on this Tacoma will bring mpg to 15-16 before adding bumpers, armor, etc.
I'm still bewildered by the price tag. $67K? Geez....Makes the Colorado ZR2 Bison at $63K a much better deal as it comes with 35s, fully armored, and has a full warranty from the factory.
I think you got the HP and TQ figures backwards sir
A hybrid system that can neither maintain peak torque for long nor improve efficiency in any significant way all while increasing cost, weight, complexity and incase of SUVs decreasing cargo volume… well done Toyota!
Imagine paying $70k for a 4 cylinder hybrid and getting horrible MPG.
imagine being such a fan boy that you have to defend this 4 banger truck with horrible MPG. it's like still defending joe, after the #Bidendisaster.
Is the hybrid system even kicking in 😂😂
The iForceMax "hybrid" isn't an efficiency hybrid its a power hybrid...giving you in-line hybrid assistance for HP and Torque w/o compromising efficiency (same MPG with higher HP/Torque??). Same as the Tundra. Also agree with earlier comments...$20k too expensive. Almost as much as my stock 1794 Edition Tundra!
I like the look of the new generation and the suspension seats. Other than that, it’s a hard pass. I’m still in love with my ‘21 TRD pro. After I got it tuned, the MPG is just slightly lower than this new generation
23’ Pro manual tuned as well - love it.
I dont know what mpg this will get but to give a base to compare it with my sons 2023 tacoma TRD off road gets 24 mpg on the highway consistently as long as you don't get into the pedal hard.
Just wish Toyota put a bigger tank on it. At least the same size as the last gen.
Underwhelming. Nothing to sway me away from the mpg my 2016 Canyon diesel gets and it cost like $25,000 less. Just wow.
My Stock brand new 2013 Tacoma TRD OFF ROAD, got 21 out of the box before I lifted it and used bigger tires with the 4.0, is the hybrid an improvement, NOPE, part of the problem, is the HYBRID weighs 1200 pounds more, 2 more cylinders in an engine is much better for fuel economy, but the GOV has the auto industry scared of emissions, but overall emissions are probably similar.
Man, I want the TRD pro so bad but i'd be played so hard if I paid 65k for that thing. Literally nothing redeeming other than looks.
I believe that’s not taking in consideration the 3 gallons of reserve so it’s more like 300 miles
I was holding off for the TRD pro because of the hybrid tech. that's pretty weak. maybe the new 4xe Jeep gladiator will be better :/
19mpg for a 4cyl turbo hybrid is pretty bad. Considering my tundra trd sport gets around 20mpg from a v6 twin turbo non hybrid.
My silverado 5.3 L. Z71 4 door. 23 mpg on hwy😂 sorry for the 4 cylinders hybrid what is issue with the power train
I’d love to see these numbers with a load on them aka weight. Whether people or in the bed and then compare that to the old 6.
They built a performance hybrid with terrible gas mileage, when the public wanted them to build a fuel efficient Tacoma that would get 28-30 mpg. This is only the beginning of the backlash Toyota is going to receive, plus the price tag is ridiculous! I have a 2007 F150 that’ll get 18-19 mpg on the highway. You are better off just getting a full sized pickup than buying this.
So I would imagine it would be around 10% better after break in.
They should have made the tank bigger. And the whole truck less expensive.
Toyota needs to go back to the old reliable 4.0 V6 yaaaa.
No
Ranger raptor tfl test it got almost 19mpg lol
I think the TRD PRO looks a lot better (subjective) but apart from that the ranger raptor straight up dominates this truck in every category and it’s cheaper lol.
Mine has only gotten 20.2 mpg highway. Ever
That fact a 2024 Silverado 6.2 4x4 gets 24mpg. This is embarrassing
Wish they would have had a 21 gallon tank
Toyota should have made fuel tank smaller, Americasn would have appreciated spending less money at the pump.
What app do you use for mph
Does it require premium or will 87 octane work?
87 octane is all that's required.
My GMC Sierra 2500 HD Duramax diesel gets 23-25 mpg on the highway at 70mph
What a joke that new hybrid powertrain is, just buy the non hybrid Taco if that’s what you want.
I used to love midsize trucks (owned a Frontier) but don’t understand them now when a 4 cylinder hybrid tacoma is just as expensive and just as thirsty as a V8 half ton, without the space or comfort. This also makes me nervous we won’t see 25 on the new Land Cruiser.
You buy a Tacoma for off-roading and small trail , not to haul the entire family.
$3000 to add hybrid.. VERY tempting.
the hybrid actually gets one MPG LESS.....because of the added weight of the battery.
Isn't this hybrid system designed for power, Not fuel economy?
Yes.
People don’t seem to understand that concept, the moment they hear hybrid , they think gas efficient. Smh
Yes this is exactly what this specific hybrid system was designed for. Most people are thinking it’s suppose to help fuel economy 😂
It shouldn't be one or the other. In fact, the definition of "Efficient" means to achieve maximum productivity or output with minimal waste. With a good hybrid system, they should be able to increase power while also gaining fuel economy and improving overall efficiency.
In the Taco's case, its IFM hybrid is just not that efficient. Same is true for the Tundra's Hybrid system. That's odd because Toyota's other hybrid systems are great at improving fuel economy and increasing power at the same time.
Since it should be electronically operated, you should be able to program it to whatever you need. For fuel economy, ideally it would help you get up to speed/acceleration since that is where most of the MPG suffers around town. For highway driving the Hybrid system would need to be a little more nuanced to help MPG, such as assisting when going up grade. If all you were looking for is a more powerful tacoma, it might be cheaper to buy 3rd gen taco and do an engine swap with tundra (V35A-FTS twin-turbo V6), you'd probably achieve better gas mileage than the 4th gen hybrid tacos as well.
Either with or without the Iforce max option putting a 4-cylinder turbo engine in a slightly bigger Tacoma, as opposed to the previous gen, is not a good call on Toyota’s R &D department. Way too expensive for what 4gen advocates like TrdJon, Robmotive, and others are trying to promote, sell, and argue. 😳
The limited hybrid model will get better mileage. This is the off-road version.
2024 Toyota Tacoma sales are low due to higher price for non hybrid Tacoma … this is way too much for 19 mpg midsize truck. They are going to have a bad sales year for this truck.
Wow... my 2023 V6 4x4 Tacoma does better than that on the hwy..lol
not impressed
Well I hope this is a pre-production thing… otherwise Toyota gonna get sued….
That’s worse mileage than I get in my suburban! This new Tacoma is an absolute joke!
What Octane does the Hybrid Tacoma require?
87 octane
Hybrid really doesn’t work on highway it’s meant for city stop and go traffic. That’s were you will see better gas mileage so combined with highway probably 23mpg
That isn’t good, I got over 24 mpg in the last-gen Chevy Colorado V6, at higher speeds, so, really under 20 mpg for the 24 Tacoma TRD Pro (hybrid), Toyota needs a large fuel tank option, side note, I got 21.2 over 1100+ mile on a 2024 Chevy Suburban and one tank full was 24.1 mpg (crazy), loaded down, to be fair, I only use Top Tier gas
There is absolutely no point for the 4 cylinder engine. Gas mileage sucks. Should’ve put the turbo V6 in the Tacoma. Guarantee the gas mileage would be better with the Tundra engine. Made in Mexico, has a 4 cylinder engine, and cost $15k more than 23 model. No thanks I’ll pass.
Not only is the exterior/interior ugly, the mpg is horrible and price tag insane. My 02 with 285 K can still get 21-22mpg highway.
At 50mph with small wheels with half the power.
@@Eugen-E 70mph KO2 and zero payments for 20 years. You people will be paying on this turbo longer than it lasts.
@@schadlarry 2002 Tacoma is a joke, is a lot smaller, smaller wheels, less weight/power, etc. Turbocharged engine doesn't necessarily mean less reliability. There are a lot of examples where turbo engine is more reliable than some NA engines.
@@Eugen-E You have zero examples the new motor is more reliable than the 5VZ-FE. Smaller means no pinstriping when you go to the mall. I have enough power to get up mountain roads, on and off. I've yet to break a front axle unlike TFL spinning on some ice. I'll just jb weld my ipad to the dash and pretend my 02 is a 24, but of course still won't have the made in mexico quality.
@@schadlarry 🤣🤣 there are a lot of examples where turbocharged are more reliable than NA. If you don't know that doesn't mean they don't exist.
It’s pretty sad how inefficient these trucks are. My 2004 Ranger 2.3L 5speed gets 29mpg hwy. Ever loaded down with weight and off-road wheels, I still get 27 at least. Oh and I paid $2,500 for the truck, not $70k after taxes. $100k after loan interest. F Toyota
Na 4 banger is not the same as this trd pro. It makes triple the power of your truck 😂
The EPA ratings are done usually at 60mph, not 70. Also, with a turbo vehicle, you need to drive at the proper RPM that doesn't generate boost. If we could see the numbers of the torque curve on that Tacoma, we would know at what speed it should be driven for fuel economy.
The EPA's test cycle isn't just a steady given speed, it involves a range of speed and engine loads. They even including on-ramps. The engine very much sees boost when completing the test cycle.
@@allentechpt9026 When they do the highway MPG test, there is no "on-ramps" or high reving stuff.
Yes, there is. The test starts at 0 MPH and has a 3.2 MPH/second acceleration, simulating an on-ramp.
You can find the various conditions and requirements for the Highway Cycle on the EPA's website.
hahaha Toyota, you silly goose! My current 2021 Tacoma will be my last Toyota.
Premium or Regular fuel grade?
Regular
Horrible. A turbo 4 cylinder hybrid getting 19mpg
Ranger raptor had more HP and gets same MPG as this hybrid. LoL.
Wow, 20 mpg with a 4 banger is nothing to write home about. With all the available technology today, that truck should be getting 28 easy. It's a 4 banger for crying out loud. Heck, I get 17-19 in my 2019 Tundra TRD PRO on the Hwy.
toyota designed the disposable 2024 tacoma to be traded in every 3 years before it self destructs.....forcing you to forever buy a new one. durability, reliability left with the 2023 model. projected trade in value of the 2024 model is shit.
It's interesting cuz TFL achieved over 24 mpg on their "blueberry" 24 non hybrid Taco.
Hmmmm....
Different tires and the OR is lighter than the TRD Pro, but I also think that TFL is doing a lot of sucking up to Toyota
That’s worse than my naturally aspirated 2.7, I get like 22 on the highway
These idiots at Toyota should have kept that 4.0 V6. Absolute corruption between the government and manufacturers.
I thought these had a heads up display, 🤦♂️
I think they're supposed to. This one is pre-production and might be missing it
@@DailyMotornot a deal breaker for me but hopefully they have it lol 😅
The slower you go the better mileage you get. 55 vs 65. 65 vs 75. The draw back is it takes longer to get there. No matter the year. Drive slower.
What are you talking about “when you get into the 2.7 GM trucks, you’re down in to the 10’s”?!?! I have 23 Silverado 2.7 turbo crew cab 4x4 LT stock with 20 inch wheels and at 70 mph with outside temp in the 60’s I get constantly over 25 mpg avg on a full tank. At 83 mph it gets 21.5 and in the city it gets 19.5. The best I got on a full tank (around 500miles) is 26.1 mpg avg. It weighs more than the Tacoma, rated to tow 9k lbs and rated to carry 1890 lbs in the bed.
I should have been more specific, I meant EPA ratings on the off-road versions of the GM trucks.
My 23 Canyon Denali gets 24 at 70 if your not racing everyone like 75% of the population. Js
Not impressed with that gas mpg .