Baby Base 13 : Hot Rocket problems and Creating Space : Oxygen not included
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- Next up on Midi base time to try out our hydrogen rocket to bring back some more research. Of course we need to build in a steam turbine to delete the heat of the launch otherwise we will end up cooking our base. The oil refinery is removed as it's no longer necessary. We also get to compress our magma tank freeing up more space for more base. Their are a few minor side projects like some semi permanent thimble reed tiles and getting rid of oxylite production.
All in all this is going disturbingly well, next up I think we will be doing a sour gas boiler.
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Easy power solution. Every few hundred cycles, just send one rocket to an oily asteroid to bring back methane. That will tie you over for a long time.
How to survive on an astroid: Do not piss on your food supply.
this isnt the first time that a dupe pissing themselves nearly got his base killed lol
Fennec was like "YAY" and then "Aww"
I love how quickly we went from "We need to consume all the heat to keep this place from being an unholy boiling mess" to "Let's drywall it to seal in all the heat"
The area you just opened up at the bottom of the base should be repurposed into steam power. Rocket Silo is life. Stop purifying the water with sieves let the rocket boil it off to make more power. You can get your dirt that way killing 3 birds with 1 stone.
May the 10 by 18 space he made in memoriam solely to you help console the poor colonists who crafted you. May nothing functional desecrate this place where sweepy no longer functions to serve those who would utilize robots recklessly. RIP Sweepy @29:00 - @30:00
this has been one of my favorite series to watch. 👍
You might be able to save some space by combining the steam turbines for the liquid oxygen and hydrogen and the rocket silo by just connecting the steam chamber to the rocket silo with metal tiles. If you have thermium/niobium, the aquatuner won't ever overheat, and you save a bunch of space as well. Add in a few automated airlocks, and you also prevent heat being wasted.
That is a risk. The most heat will be around take take off and landing, which happens to be around the same time as fuelling. So you end up in a situation where you are trying to produce LOX and LHO while also having a ton of heat being dumped into the silo. I figured it would be safer to have a dedicated turbine.
Though I might be being a bit over catious.
honestly, i saw the DLC and immediately thought of you and what kind of shenanigans you would get up to when that releases, not to mention the lifespan of play-through potential having multiple rocks in which to populate! i don't know what i am more excited for, watching you play or to play myself.
1:07 told you! Naphtha is the best! Couldnt have done that with most other liquids, they simply aren't viscous enough. +1 for team naphtha! :D
It is just so easy to work with and it behaves so well.
Also... 31:29 notice you in fact CAN dump (or rather force inject) heat into neutronium! Nat. gas pump area.
And the neutronium below the rocket itself is boiling hot as well!
30:40 the audio here out of context is incredible.
Move the lava out of the way, and put 3-4 Steam Turbines that suck *HEAT* out of the silo (but not directly connected to the steam - connecting to the steam will waste heat). You can use a lot of that heat between launches to almost entirely power your base.
I only had enough heat from the silo to power one turbine, and only if the rocket constantly goes to the closest planet. Anything further and the silo gets too cold. A single rocket simply doesn't generate that much heat.
This is such a nice series for me to watch while I'm bored stiff at work, thanks FJ!
You've saved so many of my old colonies, so again, thanks!
As the naphtha guy, I approve of this @0:54 :)
BTW, I suggest you double the naphta lock to avoid heat leaking. Naphtha is a decent insulator, anything else (like petroleum) would leak MUCH more, but when the temp delta is so big (several hundreds degrees) it isn't about TC much. I'm sure you know how to do it but for people who don't know what I mean:
imgur.com/a/olzYcPJ
of course if thermal insulation is the goal, tiles should be insulated ones.
I'm going to have to redo access to the rocket silo, as some point I'll have all the research and I'll config it for cargo and seal the whole thing up.
Francis: ...so I can book time off!
dedication right there XD Look forward to seeing these multi colony worlds
I found it helpful on this LOx/LH2 layout to pre-cool the hydrogen by running it through a radiant gas pipe inside the diamond tile on the oxygen side. This also helped regulate the chill coming from the single aquatuner coolant line. All told though this build did work okay but it took like 40 cycles to build up enough LH2 to get to the tear. Also, there wasn't enough room in the LOx space to store enough of it to get out there, so I had space for a nearby tank which could be alleviated if you were to make the LOx space wider by 1 tile.
you have enough space to make a set of three doors in front of your liquid lock to space. You can make a system that opens the middle door while the two beside it are closed so that it is a vacuum. This will reduce the movement of heat into your base. A disadvantage of this is that it will take some time to move from one end of the set of doors to the other
It would be far more space efficient to power your base from the rocket launch tubes than to build a sour gas boiler. But a micro sour gas boiler will look a lot cooler.
You could have moved the steam turbine for the rocket silo, one to the left and one to the top. this way you only have 1 isolated tile next to it, but you have 2 tiles at the bottom for steam to come in.
Sadly the turbine needs to have two tile wide wall between it and the silo, because of a bug with with dust comets. When dust comets smack into a one-tile wide vertical wall, it spawns regolith on the other side.
@@Karagoth444 yes, that is true. But in that case it would make more sense to make the 2nd time (the one touching the rocket) out of bunker tiles
@@Karagoth444 I mean if he is willing to go through the chaos of shifting his entire rocket over one, which would only be chaotic if he wanted to keep room for the ladder + gantry on the right hand side, he could then keep the 2 tile thick while obtaining the 2 tile height for his steam rocket, however his current rendition is a lot less headache so I can't blame him if he would rather stick to that one
I was yelling this at the screen. And he was rebuilding the rocket at the time so would not be a big deal.
Mine has bunker tile and then insulated. It still damages the tile behind the bunker tile.
Once you consolidate the magma tank, you can install some steam turbines for a rocket chimney and/or entrance to the silo itself so you don't have to worry about the door over heating.
I always look forward to your videos. I am continuing to be surprised by how small your subscriber base is.
Putting atmodocks on the bedrooms is brilliant. I think I'm going to do this from now on.
as always thanks for the video. :)
the small rocket in the dlc got me worried, hope they did not change the rockets to something like this and the preview one is just a starter rocket.
Maybe that one only will bring one or two dupes between basses, without having any payload modules? The bottles and lack of fuel tanks make me think it might be some sort of pressurized monopropelent engine, maybe it runs on CO2 or something.
Yaaass I'm really excited for the dlc as well!
To get rid of that one tile of oxygen you might be able to build a silo door. Might be work to check it out.
Very very good idea.
Or if it not works maybe minigaspump and block it for quick vacuum. Will take a little while but should work and maybe faster than let silo open for a while when there are no asteroids.
Ohhhh the DLC sounds cool! Multiple colonies would be perf ^^
yeah that DLC will be great, little small but promising
Using the superproductive overjoy effect, you can mine neutronium.
The dupe has an 10% chance to succesfully mine it, everytime it starts the job if the super productive overjoy is active.
This goes against the spirit of minibase, but is fun to do. Note that you can no longer send the pawn to an skill scrubber after the dupe mines 1 tile
looking good
could put a steam turbine at the bottom of the silo in that newly opened area, maybe two of them with an aquatuner at the opposite end from the rocket to cool the turbines. A layer of super coolant on the floor from the rocket to the aquatuner to help with temp transfer while also letting you drain the turbines back into the aquatuner chamber below. Steam would still need to be pumped into the chamber from the top of the silo but it is an idea.
You can close the gantry after the pilot enters the rocket. And it will still launch and you don't destroy the gantry.
It's 1200 watts to power them so I'v never bothered plugging them in, they have a tendency to cause the odd overload unless you give them their own transformer.
I was really hoping to see that sour gas boiler. they are just the best.
Once the steam is gone from the silo, he break into the h2 o2 steam turbine box and move the vent for the steam removal turbine above it. Might have to deconstruct the lower steam turbine to reach up high enough to build the vent though. Ugh.
That is the plan, but that will be after all the research has been obtained, I want to demolish all the science buildings to free up space.
If you build 2 telescopes, it will be done faster. Can stack them vertically.
It's possible to just put a couple layers of airflow/mesh tiles above it and just leave the doors open. Requires some manual mining, but w/e it's quick.
Also, you could possibly open the second boiler room (the one with the aquatuner) to the rocket silo for double chill.
I don't know how big your small sour gas boiler will be, but you yould stick in another steam turbine in the bottom right of your silo to provide more power that's fastly available and cool the silo down faster, or maybe build a proper airlock for your silo there so you don't need to cool it down as fast and thus use it as a kind of more steady power supply while slowly draining the heat out of it....
love that series, tried it myself, failed miserably :D
whoo more shenanigans :D
If you move your rocket silo steam turbine over and up, it would be still walled in it would allow 2 space gap and you could then see about sending that hot clean water over to be used elsewhere in your base.
I like to imagine that deconstructing stuff is a little therapeutic on this map.
I think I saw a planet with magma as a resource, maybe you can use that as a temporary buffer until you have your sour gas boiler up?
I'm trying to wean myself off the stuff, it's been great but the steam turbine setup is big and in a bad location. When it was constructed it was necessary due to space limitations but soon we will have the whole map to play with and their are better solutions.
ohhh uranium dlc that looks interesting :)
@Francis John, nope the trailer isn't showing us a nuclear powered rocket, that looks like cola bottles and menthos power to me.
the only thing i want from the DLC is thorium being a alternative power plant resource
How about a dual fluid reactor. You can use whatever fissile for the fuel fluid. The other fluid is whatever metal you want to use. Lead would be the safe option (since it causes the system to be heat self-regulating, and power progressive).
@@Dan-gs3kg yeah that would be cool ! i wish they will add it in the new dlc :D
I just realized he could keep his magma hot with the help of his rocket through thermal transfer
He wants to reclaim the space taken by the magma though so cooling it and turning it into power is what he wants anyway.
he could also just throw in regolith. the magma would lose less heat for heating up regolith then it gains from being .. more magma. (Although keeping the absolute temp over melting point might be tricky in an actual survival game)
However the goal is to not waste space on magma I guess.
You might want to fix your "Baby Base Lets Play" playlist, EP12 is 6 times in :). I was like yay so much more new content and after EP 12 ... waiit, dejavue? Oh noo :/ ;)
What the hell, youtube keeps doing this to me and I have no idea why.
Ya hydrogen in atmo suits makes complete sense
Push the remaining magma to the right to make room for two steam turbines at the bottom right of the rocket chimney like you did on Rime.
This makes me happy
Maybe move the cooling loop to right next to the hydrogen vent and use that space for something else there seems to be enough room there
So honestly base conservation is really lookin like the priority with the little bit of magma you have left, it’s honestly about time you rip out your core structures where the central cooling is and combine it with the last little bit of magma generation you have, I’d honestly try and find a way to combine it to the rocket silo so you have another way of siphoning hear out, using a thermal aquatuner in the rocket silo to help cool your base might be a bit difficult to get the heat to dissapate properly so I’m not quite to sure how to approach it, is steam considered heavier or lighter then CO2 in ONI, it might be important for placement of steam turbines because the CO2 might end of clogging your steam turbines if it doesn’t have a way out
*@Francis John*
25:03 Can you put something in the rocket silo that melts, so you can create your own magma from waste heat, that you can run trough the magma generator?
Maybe Lead or gold?
Even better, regolith
@@TheMule71 does the hydrogen engine get hot enouth for regolith?
I think they produce like 1500C and regolith needs 1620 or so
Nuclear roockets.... boom!
9:26. Francis made a Rube Goldberg machine in oxygen not included 😂
The steam turbine for the oxygen/hydrogen cooler isn’t at full capacity. You could pre cool the hydrogen with some ducting run through the steam chamber.
23:05 turn out we can heat up neutronium with rocket lol
Try moving the steam turbine one right and then one up, and you'll still have space for walling everything off while also getting the two-tile height for more optimal steam input?
That will leave only a one tile wide wall facing the silo, if a meteor hits at the right angle it will cause regolith to spawn on the opposite side. That is why silo's are always 2 tiles thick.
@@FrancisJohnYT seems patch 419840 had the intent to fix that bug, as well as many other things, saying they fixed meteors depositing regolilth on the wrong side of thin walls, should mean will be able to have 1 tile thick walls now right?
the only way i think you could make a even smaller liquid oxygen/hydrogen generator would be to have just a single tank and pump, letting the liquid mix then sort it out after its left the tank. You may need to get clever with heat exchanges and liquid values to get as much heat from income gasses into the oxygen with out causing it to boil.
Hi @francis John love the clips. I was looking at the mod and you can make changes from the enable mod section. There's a biome in there called "strange" but in symbols.....if you want a challenge then that's the biome you want. Everything is mixed into one weird looking map. It's awesome but good god its hard.
So, about the sour gas boiler...
If they're normally so big, then can the mini-base afford to go without such a construction, and instead opt to burn off the petroleum through boilers, and dump the sour gas into space? Or do you have plans to miniaturize it?
The oil well can spit out 3.33 KG/s of crude oil.
If I just refine the Crude normally it would only bring in about 1.65 KW before expenses.
A petroleum boiler would pull in about 3.3 KW of power before expenses, it also it would be pretty big.
A 1kg/s sour gas boiler would pull in about 5.9 KW of power before expenses and limiting it to 1kg/s means it can be compacted a lot, it should be about the same size as the liquid O2 and H2 device.
I made enough insulation to not require to circulate the liquidO and liquid H. U'd need just a few cycles, not too many to gather the resources. I managed to build it within 13t of insulation. So yeah, u could still make it smaller.
And btw, I think you'll regret making the wall between LO and LH out of ceramic if u leave it for a long enough time.
Really nice series. Love it :D
Maybe move the heat eating turbines to the newly recovered lava area.
Is it better to have steam turbines at the top or bottom of the map?
I wonder if there is a mod that lets you expand to space, by converting void to not void by building “background tiles”
DLC is coming! Multiple mini bases maybe? 🤣
Why have you not changed your liquid lock out to super coolant yet?
Are you excited for the new oni dlc? Details are on steam
i stopped at 21:44 (got things to do) i see alot of base moving soon! lol
Could you use the magma storage more efficiently to gain additional space?
F for sweepy.
Those "colonies" have a high chance of not being seperate maps, just a place to dump duplicants and receive numbers how they do.
Really!! that does not sound promising. I'll put my hope on hold until they put out more info.
Are you going to play the dlc?
What do u mean are u of course hw will play
Why not put the steam turbine one tile to the right and up? Do you absolutely want it to be double-insulated from the rocket silo?
Its the regolith spawning that's a potential problem there. It pops through the wall and appears inside.
32:43 Tsk tsk tsk Francis John you Irish potato chocolate whisky addict how many times do we have to tell you RAMBLE ON!!
*@Francis John*
9:00 Can't you move that top steam generator 1 tile up & right?
So you get a 2 tile gap for steam to come in?
Will you do a review video of the dlc announcement?
He does at the end. There really isn't a lot to go on. They've vaguely teased some things. That's it
@@S_Black ah haven't had time to watch the entire episode yet
Watched half of it in my lunchtime break
you get those lil´ pieces of solid oxygen and hydrogen because of the low delivery amount of the gases into the cool chambers.... i guess
I've never made it to space before. Can someone explain why you send 4 research modules at a time? Doesn't 5 allow you to get all the research in 1 go?
Yes but there is no room for a 5th one
How about mini rocket chimney?
Also hear me out and I don't even know if it would be possible but maybe a heating loop? Thru the magma and dump regolith into the magma
Another Tip: You can finish basic and advanced research on the final tier even before you finish interstellar research on liquid cargo. Just saying this so that you can deconstruct those buildings even faster.
He said that in the video...
@@randomzocker8956 No. He said that he'd delete it after the current tier's interstellar research is finished. I'm saying that he doesn't need to do that and he can finish the basic and advanced research if both tiers before even completing the interstellar research of this video.
The final tier isn't liquid cargo.
@@thesentientneuron6550 Now I even looked it up for you...
He sais that at 18:40.
"Once we have got rid of the novice and advanced research we can destroy those buildings..."
PLS check before you say he said something different.
@@randomzocker8956 Oh. I must have misunderstood. Thanks!
80% of my colony fails have been because a dupe pished somewhere other than a toilet.
I feel your pain, here is a play through where one accident causes popped eardrums and somehow ends up shutting down my SPOM, this game always finds a way. th-cam.com/video/AoYNGryHW4A/w-d-xo.html
@@FrancisJohnYT hahah I remember this episode but once I started watching I couldn't stop lolol
A little bit of pee -> oxygen production shut down. Seems about right :'D
francis did you see the new fancy updates that they have planned?
did you see about the new dlc
Watch out for the golden tile next to the natural gas storage. It might melt
Watch the whole episode. He replaced that with steel at the end
@@S_Black I just comment as I go along
Francis, why don't you build a steam engine airlock like you did in the rocket chimney? That would eat more steam and provide power to the base. That is basically what you have but... well... mini.
it's only after watching dozens of hours of your videos that i realize you're pushing out all this while holding a traditional job. which i guess makes sense; there's no money in youtube let's plays. but still...where do you find the time?! you make enough videos that it's a full-time occupation in itself.
What do the hats do, are they just cosmetic
FRANCIS YOU BROKE YOUR GROWTH TO ONLY GROW AND EAT POTATOS BUT WHEN YOU STARTED YOU ATE MUCKROOT I DISAPPOINTED
I think you could put rocket silo steam turbine one tile right and one tile up.
Francis run two rockets and try to keep them from crashing into each other
Don’t tell me you can’t cool it Francis. Don’t tell me you can’t cool it Francis 😹. You’re a legend. We believe in you.
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after this is done....can you redo the map but at the start go in to sandbox and build the perfect world and the goal is to have it all with AS MANY dups as you can....i have a map with 2 poluted water vents lol
and that means use all the best stuff to build with
Francis: 32:53
Brothgarr: HOLD MY BEER
I have a solution to all your problems Open the debug menu
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you know you have an OCD when 39.4g of molten glass look dirty in the magma biome
39.4g that take up a whole tile
Ho an 3
First!
Congrats you are the first cancer comment.
@@ohmiohwa4199 that was unnecessary
PAID DLC for this broken mess of a game? kinda insulting... lets hope the patch fixes the game