The idea of a creature that cannot be hurt, and just drains your life force by staring at you and if you manage to hit it you start loosing your sight is truly terrifying
I find it hilarious that even after Spiff had basically already won the game and needed no extra help from relics, he still reset in order to get better ones, lol
@@zt7621 The Wall insta-kills you if you take to much time, pretty sure it ignores immunity as well. Looking at spiffs damage he likely would have not survived that one.
I do think its funny how spiff kept saying "I look at them and they die". When in reality the goblin just stank really bad from the cheese, that it killed anyone that smelled it.
In total war warhammer there's a similar strat. In the game army units have a "morale" function where in if they drop below a certain point it causes them to retreat. Sometimes they can recover but if they retreat 3 times they're out for good. One of the monster factions can recruit a goat man that has a passive which lowers morale of enemy units simply by him being on the battlefield. It's called "nurgle's foul stink". If you get all of the relevant upgrades and create a 20 unit army of nothing but the goat men you can actually win a battle by causing the entire enemy army, sometimes comprised of several thousand people, to retreat instantly the moment they catch wind of the stinky goat bois.
@@TheSventertainer I mean, being literally unkillable is pretty op. Just need an autoclicker to automatically take you to the next level so you can truly AFK play.
That's actually how most of the deckbuilding games work. You think you need to add cards, while usually what you need is 1-3 cards that synergize and get more and more OP.
Well, that also depends on the card pool and how the game is built. I know at least one deck builder game who's winning strat is ALWAYS draw more cards, but it is one where the resource grind is part of every individual round. The general format: Play your hand of 5 cards with resources on them, use said resources to buy new cards from the buy piles, pass the turn to the opponent to spend the damage resource you accumulated. AI then does their damage to you based solely off of how close to death they are, then repeat your process. First out of health looses the match. In that context, a draw card gives you access to the resources on cards that were not in your initial hand. Most draw 1s come with a secondary resource, making them a valid investment in all cases, and any of the rarer draw cards that draw more than one just make it less likely to see the cards that only have resources on them. A turn is only capped by drawing all of the cards in your deck or drawing enough bricks that dont have draw power. The ONLY draw cards that are not worth the investment (on their own) are cards who's sole effect is draw 1 without a secondary resource (and even then, certain cards can give them value either by extending combos or providing an unstated resource from a "all other cards you play this turn give +x [resource]"). Powerful cards in the buy piles often cost more resources than is possible to get with just 5 cards from the starting deck of the match, and though the cards you can buy often have more resources per card, it is much harder to get rid of the junk cards in the starting deck to see them consistently without the aid of draw cards. The game only has one counter to use to fight against the obscene draw power players can build: a single enemy modifier that deals a low fixed amount of damage to the player if they zealously draw more than 2 cards in a turn that only triggers once per turn, and only on the game's second level of difficulty or higher. (it is also the most intimidating of the game's enemy modifiers because of how quickly it can spiral if you are not paying attention, and the fact that it is the most common way to take damage on your own turn). In pegglin terms, it would be like if the game put a limit on the amount of orbs you could reload at once, but there were orbs in the game that would instantly reload more orbs that were on standby if conditions were met. Each extra orb you get is more damage you can deal before enemies get a chance to react (or get a free turn unopposed). Stack enough of the draw orbs to see them consistently and you can take out bosses in one turn with sheer numbers instead of quality.
@@GAOMaster why do people bother with that type of comment, anyway? It contributes nothing to the conversation except for the need to butt in and be acknowledged or an implied acknowledgement that the comment you "didnt read" exists. Just call it a pet peeve of mine, i guess...
There’s a DnD goblin creature called a Nilbog that is: Unkillable, If you manage to kill it it just transfers to the nearest goblin and posses its body and resumes doing its thang, it basically damages you through attrition by making you dance until others kill you or you die of exhaustion. You created a Nilbog in Peglin. A Nilgep
god, the fucking nilbog. ive got BEEF with that thing. nilbogism + nimble escape + vicious mockery + hideous laughter + reversal of fortune is HELL. hitting it is way too hard, and then you gotta do it twice in one round since it'll just reversal of fortune the first hit! and then itll hit your dps with confusion and it'll roll the "attack random creature in range" effect, so now the rogue's down, and everything is going to shit. last time we fought one we were 5 level 2 or 3 characters and it still took us like half an hour to kill it! and it's only CR1! fucking thank god that the "transfer to another goblin" effect isnt in its stat block in 5e and is just a lore thing, id have popped a vein if we had to kill it _twice_
@@Br0ken_Rob0ts theres this cool exploit that takes quite a bit of time, but if done correctly your company will increase in profits exponentially and your emp loy e units dont get put into the upset state due to their low wages, and you can keep lowering them, and the game wont stop you! isnt that fantastic?
@@10pitate No it wouldn't, he doesn't even come close to having enough damage to kill the wall, and the wall literally eats you, which bypasses all immunity and probably even the revive relic. When the wall eats you, you just die no matter what.
This is a prime example of why I subscribe. Not only did Spiff become invincible, he did so by actively avoiding the intended mechanics of the game. It's the same reason I play Borderlands, a game with billions of guns in it, completely unarmed and punch people to death.
I notice that Spiff didn't mention that this tactic has a counter built into the game. If you get the boss 'The Wall' on world 2 (a 50/50 chance), the Castle dungeon... you will lose, because Bad Cheese can't do enough damage before the wall reaches you, and it auto kills you instead of doing damage. So... you just lose. The Round Guard won't defend you from it.
@@pyromaniacal13 It does not. If you watch, the Ballista was chosen when Spiff first entered the dungeon, and all his resets did not change the boss to the Wall. Just like the map does not change.
The only thing you have to worry about in this game mode is the wall - the ballista boss was in this run, but if you get the wall it insta-kills after a number of turns. EDIT: thanks for the correction.
Spiff, I had to try your method of beating Peglin myself. I must say it was harder than I thought, the first 3 times I managed to get the right items and event I died in World 2 due to the wall boss. But somehow I still wanted to win using your strategy and managed on the fourth try. Now I am happily pegging with my favorite orb (allorbnothing) again.
I've seen this build used several times by other youtubers, it'll probably never be nerfed as it is a totally valid build if you get the right stuff. What they may fix is exiting to the menu reseting shops and chests, that's what makes it broken as you won't have random stuff anymore and can force this to happen.
I think the wall could hard counter this build in the castle stage, I don't know but I think it ignores "dont take damage during reload" and insta kills you when it reaches you
If you get the wall as the boss you just level up one orb really high and its an easy win. Sell the orb when you hit world 3. Usually the easy run of combat means you can focus on getting lots of relics without issues
Yeah I was thinking the same thing but I think the play is to keep some singular strong orb or even two if you get ambidextionary and just do damage normally as well as doing this
The amount of frustration this game has caused me. Just got killed by the dragon boss in the third world when I had orbs and relics that made me able to deal near 1000 damage per shot. It was the layout of the level that screwed me over cus I couldn’t get the orbs to go anywhere except the sides😭
This video is a year old. It still works. They got rid of the ability to refresh selections/encounters by quitting and returning, but the fundamentally broken part is still totally unchanged. Bad Cheese + Round Guard + removing all orbs is still an unbeatable combo. Damage all enemies while reloading. Immune to all damage while reloading. Always reloading. It makes sense that they can't fix it, since each item is fine on its own, and can't really be nerfed without losing its individual value. The craziness really just comes from the fact that you're reloading every turn. The best solution, which I think would be easy and make a lot of sense, is to prevent players from removing their final orb. Instead, however, they not only allow it, but facilitate it? Insane. Peak roguelike.
It’s countered by both the wall and the painter boss. You’ll get swallowed by the wall due to insufficient damage and die to spinfection by the paintings. So all in all somewhat balanced
I would legitimately love to see a full speed run of this game with this strategy. It would be so fast, purely based on rng, so the perfect luck run would be insane. I wonder if there are seeded runs
I discovered this combo by accident! Had orboros and was buying out every shop trying to get overwhammer to show up. It didn't, but I did get the shield and cheese. I was near the end of the 2nd zone. Was going to die because I didn't have any piercing for the xbow boss. So I hit a shop, sold my last orb, just to see what would happen. And instantly won the game. Very satisfying to have had this happen on a high cruciball level.
I just finished a run in peglin right before you posted this x'D I discovered most of this exploit a while back, before Orboroborus was updated with the 'take 4 damage when you discard', so I essentially had the same strat manually reloading. Brilliant game for any wondering, highly recommended.
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill" Spiff is more Sun Tsu than Sun Tsu ever dreamed humanity could become. Behold the power of [ glare ].
You forgot to mention that there is a counter to this strategy, the castle boss can be the wall which insta kills you no matter what. What I'd suggest to do if you want to attempt this run, is get a pretty strong orb that doesn't damage you when you skip it and just skip it all the time until you get to his fight
Simply keeping the Orboros would've served that purpose well, specifically once healing is obtained. The Orboros could then be skipped without worries about dying from self-damage, while having a backup in case the wall boss shows up (or boredom creeps in).
i knew about this combo to an extent, getting ourobouros and then either getting another orb and removing it or offsetting the self-damage with the healing item, but i didn't know you could delete your last orb, nor that you can exit to menu and load back in to change the items in chests
It reminds me a lot of Path of Exile, where with all the diversity and flexibility of building creation you can do things like that (obviously bridging the gap), the difference is that while here it can be an actual "mechanic", in Path of Exile at next patch they nerf the build, change the interaction, ruin other builds by accident and the next patch it repeats all over again
Which is just insane since every "good" build is just a different flavor of "insta-kills everything on screen." I don't know why they bother trying to make some builds less effective at this when that's all the game ends up being for everyone anyway.
There is one thing in peglin that could _hypothetically_ kill you with this loadout, and that is the act 2 boss called The Wall. Not only is it one of, if not the tankiest enemy in the game, it also has an instakill when it gets on top of you. Its mainly balanced by the fact that it has the best, most exploitable board in the entirety of peglin, leading to a massive amount of damage per shot. Im not completely sure that the damage output of the cheese is enough to kill the wall before it devours you
@@goreobsessed2308 Lets hope it doesn't have as much holes as swiss cheese, or it won't stand long. Might be that it stands alone because it stinks like swiss cheese. The world of cheese is a complicated subject, especially in videogames. just ask Bubsy the Bobcat (from Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind) or the Dragonborn. They'll have different stories to tell.
"They could hold events..." you had me cracking up. Your delivery was impeccable. It's all about the ti..ming, tim..ing, timing. Timing 2:40 oh wait, they really do have events? Never mind.
I think the ONLY thing that could stop this build is the other second world boss - the demon wall. If I recall correctly, that's an instant-kill when he reaches you, and I'm not sure there's enough time for the cheese's cheese to ramp up to get through his health pool... But if he's not there? Gravy train all the way! Hilarious video!
@@Rrrandomiser1234 it wont work as the wall do not deal dmg, it just instantly trigger game over. However it could be solved by just by an orb and kill the boss then sell the orb at world 3
The green lovecraftian peg king It's said that it's glare kills you oh so slowly and none of the known attack had even put a scratch atop his green skin. And it's told that anyone who dared raise their blade against him lost the light in their eyes, truly terrifying
@MrMetra101 save quits broke the game. The shop update without abusing a feature is balanced. I use save quits to attempt a fight multiple times but I never use it for perfect runs. And custom runs are a thing for a reason.
@@MrMetra101 lol it's not "breaking the game" if it's a very obvious exploit that you have to go out of your way to perform. Just play the game as intended and don't cheat and it's great.
@@pjwaring my question is why isnt the shop tied to seed or something, like slay the spire doesnt have this exploit (different games/devs i know) as far as im aware
This reminds me of an achievement in "Night of the full moon" (one, in my opinion, of the best mobile and/or card games there is). You deal damage by playing cards. But if you manage to get the right equipment and/or blessings, you can kill the enemy without even playing one. (well, after getting the stuff, of course) I highly recommend the game. And this type of deck is a lot of fun. Can even be achieved with just the knight.
Epic as always, but there is one problem with this strat for anyone trying to replicate it. One of the potential bosses on the second level is the Demon Wall. It does no attack damage, but it will instantly kill you if it reaches you. It has the largest health pool of anything in the game, and you're just not going to be able to do enough damage to it before it reaches you.
If you have to fight the Wall, obtain a decent Damage-Dealing Orb and Upgrade it before reaching the Boss Battle - as long as you only have One Orb, you can still Reload every other Turn, healing off damage, and you can then Remove the Orb again once you've entered Stage 3...
So one thing that wasn't mentioned, though probably has been mentioned elsewhere in the comments, is that there are two bosses for the second act, and the one that he didn't get can't be beaten with this method. Though he may have been able to potentially just find one orb at the start of the act to be able to kill that boss, so it may not have been a complete loss.
Cool to see a peglin video. I been playing for a few weeks it's rlly fun. They need to bring it to a level of polish on par with slay the spire and it'd be even better
But does this work when you come across the demon wall as an endboss to the castle? I'd imagine you wouldn't do enough damage by the time it reaches you - does the no damage whilst reloading relic actually protect you from that considering it's a one hit kill?
Tried it myself - a run with bad cheese and round guard ends at the demon wall - nothing can protect you from its attack if it reaches you. It's the one weakness of this build
aww man, they fixed the "return to main screen" exploits, now the items are persistent as soon as they showed up on screen, even the boss fight. BOOOOOO......
Sounds like a pretty straight forward fix would be to make the damage of bad cheese scale on how many orbs have been reloaded that encounter. It would also allow the cheese to still have a place in bloated builds.
Y'know, something I think that's kinda funny is that this probably still would've been a game-winning build even if you hadn't gotten rid of the Orboros (or gotten a different orb before getting rid of it).
I would love seeing you playing a game of solitaire. "Oh, there's nothing that stops me from just putting the bad card I drew back in the deck and reshuffle! This game is perfectly balanced indeed!"
*Like the video if you love Pegging!*
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The idea of a creature that cannot be hurt, and just drains your life force by staring at you and if you manage to hit it you start loosing your sight is truly terrifying
Spiff created an eldritch god.
Maybe I can put that into my dnd sessions.
I'm totally not stealing this for a DnD game
It also smells overpoweringly of rotten cheese and well done steak.
*losing
I find it hilarious that even after Spiff had basically already won the game and needed no extra help from relics, he still reset in order to get better ones, lol
That is because if “The Wall” is the boss he will need to get a single orb on the way to it so having good relics still matters
@@ShiningDarknes He still did it in stage 3 though. Literally zero chance of encountering the wall by that point
@@ShiningDarknes Why does he, I don't play the game I watch casually
@@squiddler7731 Possibly because it is still showcasing exploits, menu quitting being a major one.
@@zt7621 The Wall insta-kills you if you take to much time, pretty sure it ignores immunity as well. Looking at spiffs damage he likely would have not survived that one.
The fact that the "Bad Cheese" item is part of cheesing the game is hilarious
Almost seems like it was intended by the developers, but it's likely just coincidence.
almost as if getting the bad cheese allows you to do...
bad cheese
It was intended to be cheeseable with 1 orb, but it's unclear if it was ever intended to be THIS cheeseable
@@bengoodwin2141 1 orb and 0 orb actualy makes no diffrence. same with 2 orbs if you have 2 discards. Its very much intended
no
Peglin: "What are you telling me, that I can throw orbs?"
Spiff: "No, Peglin. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to."
Underrated comment 👏
What is this a reference to?
@@blakksheep736 The Matrix.
Peglin is Neo and Spiff is Morpheus.
@@GanonTEK thanks.
@@blakksheep736 You're very welcome!
Spiff being known as 'the Peg King' in college is more believable than RT being called 'the Drift King'
The friends that peg while drifting
sounds very very bad
@@JorgetePanete The real drifting we did on the journey where the friends we pegged along the way.
@@SilverionX unspeak this.
@@SilverionXOkay that's enough internet for me today
There's a pegging joke in there somewhere
I do think its funny how spiff kept saying "I look at them and they die". When in reality the goblin just stank really bad from the cheese, that it killed anyone that smelled it.
oh so it's Spongebob's smelly smell that smells smelly
@@TheJunky228 a lil bit. But also SpongeBob's "Im ugly and Im proud"
@@mage3m165 truly the epitome of the ugly barnacle
@@mage3m165 yeah that's better
In total war warhammer there's a similar strat. In the game army units have a "morale" function where in if they drop below a certain point it causes them to retreat. Sometimes they can recover but if they retreat 3 times they're out for good. One of the monster factions can recruit a goat man that has a passive which lowers morale of enemy units simply by him being on the battlefield. It's called "nurgle's foul stink". If you get all of the relevant upgrades and create a 20 unit army of nothing but the goat men you can actually win a battle by causing the entire enemy army, sometimes comprised of several thousand people, to retreat instantly the moment they catch wind of the stinky goat bois.
It really says something about this game that this is not the most broken run I’ve ever seen.
I'd love to hear about the craziest run you've seen
@@amadman5988 pictures this, dozens of bombs pouring over the enemies at each attack
@@TheSventertainer I mean, being literally unkillable is pretty op. Just need an autoclicker to automatically take you to the next level so you can truly AFK play.
I love games where they intend for some overpowered runs to be possible.
infinite refresh that deals current orb damage every refresh is very good
That's actually how most of the deckbuilding games work. You think you need to add cards, while usually what you need is 1-3 cards that synergize and get more and more OP.
Well, that also depends on the card pool and how the game is built. I know at least one deck builder game who's winning strat is ALWAYS draw more cards, but it is one where the resource grind is part of every individual round.
The general format: Play your hand of 5 cards with resources on them, use said resources to buy new cards from the buy piles, pass the turn to the opponent to spend the damage resource you accumulated. AI then does their damage to you based solely off of how close to death they are, then repeat your process. First out of health looses the match.
In that context, a draw card gives you access to the resources on cards that were not in your initial hand. Most draw 1s come with a secondary resource, making them a valid investment in all cases, and any of the rarer draw cards that draw more than one just make it less likely to see the cards that only have resources on them. A turn is only capped by drawing all of the cards in your deck or drawing enough bricks that dont have draw power. The ONLY draw cards that are not worth the investment (on their own) are cards who's sole effect is draw 1 without a secondary resource (and even then, certain cards can give them value either by extending combos or providing an unstated resource from a "all other cards you play this turn give +x [resource]"). Powerful cards in the buy piles often cost more resources than is possible to get with just 5 cards from the starting deck of the match, and though the cards you can buy often have more resources per card, it is much harder to get rid of the junk cards in the starting deck to see them consistently without the aid of draw cards. The game only has one counter to use to fight against the obscene draw power players can build: a single enemy modifier that deals a low fixed amount of damage to the player if they zealously draw more than 2 cards in a turn that only triggers once per turn, and only on the game's second level of difficulty or higher. (it is also the most intimidating of the game's enemy modifiers because of how quickly it can spiral if you are not paying attention, and the fact that it is the most common way to take damage on your own turn).
In pegglin terms, it would be like if the game put a limit on the amount of orbs you could reload at once, but there were orbs in the game that would instantly reload more orbs that were on standby if conditions were met. Each extra orb you get is more damage you can deal before enemies get a chance to react (or get a free turn unopposed). Stack enough of the draw orbs to see them consistently and you can take out bosses in one turn with sheer numbers instead of quality.
@@cullenlatham2366 didn't read lol
@@GAOMaster same
@@GAOMaster why do people bother with that type of comment, anyway? It contributes nothing to the conversation except for the need to butt in and be acknowledged or an implied acknowledgement that the comment you "didnt read" exists. Just call it a pet peeve of mine, i guess...
@@cullenlatham2366 It's to tell you that your comment is too long and out of place, most of the time. Sometimes it's just a joke tho.
There’s a DnD goblin creature called a Nilbog that is: Unkillable, If you manage to kill it it just transfers to the nearest goblin and posses its body and resumes doing its thang, it basically damages you through attrition by making you dance until others kill you or you die of exhaustion.
You created a Nilbog in Peglin. A Nilgep
nerd geek wiscracker four eyes cool comment tho
god, the fucking nilbog. ive got BEEF with that thing. nilbogism + nimble escape + vicious mockery + hideous laughter + reversal of fortune is HELL. hitting it is way too hard, and then you gotta do it twice in one round since it'll just reversal of fortune the first hit! and then itll hit your dps with confusion and it'll roll the "attack random creature in range" effect, so now the rogue's down, and everything is going to shit. last time we fought one we were 5 level 2 or 3 characters and it still took us like half an hour to kill it! and it's only CR1!
fucking thank god that the "transfer to another goblin" effect isnt in its stat block in 5e and is just a lore thing, id have popped a vein if we had to kill it _twice_
The enemies encountering you in this run: _He's just standing there. . . MENACINGLY!_
I sometimes imagine Spiff at some daily regular job as an engineer. "Let me exploit this machinery so it manufactures infinite amounts of products"
Monopoly.
Nfts.
"And now to make this coal plant generate 50 trillion terawatts of energy from a single gram of coal and watch the money pour in."
That machine has a name. Emp Loy E, Christ get it right
@@Br0ken_Rob0ts theres this cool exploit that takes quite a bit of time, but if done correctly your company will increase in profits exponentially and your emp loy e units dont get put into the upset state due to their low wages, and you can keep lowering them, and the game wont stop you! isnt that fantastic?
Killing the final boss with a perfect 500 damage to take his last 500 health was very satisfying
feels like the devs wanted you to find that strat out
@@carodar34 there's actually an achievement for dealing the exact amount of damage needed to defeat an enemy (not specific to this strategy though)
@@nothanks39 bro accidentally got a (nonexistant at the time) achivement
The real trick is the 2nd boss wasn't the wall.
i was going to say the exact same thing
nah it'd still work
@@10pitate No it wouldnt, Wall bypasses round gaurd & you cant kill in time
Just tried, doesn’t work
@@10pitate No it wouldn't, he doesn't even come close to having enough damage to kill the wall, and the wall literally eats you, which bypasses all immunity and probably even the revive relic. When the wall eats you, you just die no matter what.
Absolutely in awe of the dedication and sheer force of will to wait twelve whole minutes to make a pegging joke
Enemies: WHY WON'T YOU DIE!?
Spiff: Nanopegs, son. They harden in response to physical trauma.
You can't hurt me, Jack!
A small green wooden shield
They harden in response to reloading
Imagine if that worked for emotional trauma.
Making the mother of all exploits here Jack. Can’t fret over every peg.
This is amazing, Peglin is fantastic and the sales they'll get from this video are absolutely deserved.
It has taken up about 50% of my time used on the steamdeck... Gosh darn perfect little indie game
@@thespiffingbrit No you're a perfect little indie game...
@@messedupperfect9367... ew
@@dromnispank4723 Nothing gross about the truth...
I definitely plan on picking it up next time there's a sale and I need to buy more dumb games.
This is a prime example of why I subscribe. Not only did Spiff become invincible, he did so by actively avoiding the intended mechanics of the game. It's the same reason I play Borderlands, a game with billions of guns in it, completely unarmed and punch people to death.
While unshielded and on fire, I assume? And with actual benefits for doing both of those things?
This is an intended mechanic though.
100% an intended mechanic tho' xD
@@HeraldOfOperaso kreig then
@@dayrocket7372 That's what I was assuming, but we'd have to ask picleman to be sure.
I love what they've done with this Bofuri adaptation! They really captured Maple's ridiculous defense!
SOMEONE ELSE KNOWS WHAT THAT IS?!
I JUST STARTED WATCHING IT YESTERDAY
I have watched the entire thing
for five times
I watched this anime ten times at least
I love the part where he said "we can't take damage". The best commentary.
I notice that Spiff didn't mention that this tactic has a counter built into the game. If you get the boss 'The Wall' on world 2 (a 50/50 chance), the Castle dungeon... you will lose, because Bad Cheese can't do enough damage before the wall reaches you, and it auto kills you instead of doing damage. So... you just lose. The Round Guard won't defend you from it.
Reload?
Does quitting to menu change the boss?
@@pyromaniacal13 It does not. If you watch, the Ballista was chosen when Spiff first entered the dungeon, and all his resets did not change the boss to the Wall. Just like the map does not change.
He answered this in a different comment, he essentially said it’s an easy win if you just get one level 3 orb
This is exactly what I was thinking. I got absolutely screwed over my first time facing the wall with this strategy and didn't know it wouldn't work
The only thing you have to worry about in this game mode is the wall - the ballista boss was in this run, but if you get the wall it insta-kills after a number of turns.
EDIT: thanks for the correction.
*ballista
Does the wall instakill you if you reload and can't take damage vs reload?
@@bbqturtle yes, wall does not deal damage. it takes its turn and eats you.
I was hoppikg sp much for the wall. But that combo is fun. Reloading the relic destroys it and i would not recommend
The answer to that with this build would just be to not remove the orboboros and just manually discard each turn then use orboborbos kill the boss
I'm just happy to see Peglin get some love - brilliant game :)
Wanderbots has a few videos.
Spiff is definitely the kind of person that would exploit reality if he had the chance
What makes you think he isn't?
He did, he showed how balanced the steam marketplace is :)
The CPU is a rock tricked into thinking by asking it yes or no questions. All technology is exploits to some extent.
Spiff, I had to try your method of beating Peglin myself. I must say it was harder than I thought, the first 3 times I managed to get the right items and event I died in World 2 due to the wall boss. But somehow I still wanted to win using your strategy and managed on the fourth try. Now I am happily pegging with my favorite orb (allorbnothing) again.
I've seen this build used several times by other youtubers, it'll probably never be nerfed as it is a totally valid build if you get the right stuff. What they may fix is exiting to the menu reseting shops and chests, that's what makes it broken as you won't have random stuff anymore and can force this to happen.
All the enemies: “he’s just standing there….MENACINGLY”
I think the wall could hard counter this build in the castle stage, I don't know but I think it ignores "dont take damage during reload" and insta kills you when it reaches you
It definitely eats you
If you get the wall as the boss you just level up one orb really high and its an easy win. Sell the orb when you hit world 3. Usually the easy run of combat means you can focus on getting lots of relics without issues
Yeah I was thinking the same thing but I think the play is to keep some singular strong orb or even two if you get ambidextionary and just do damage normally as well as doing this
@@thespiffingbritou don't have to sell the orb you can just dicard it and sometimes use all that muscircle you got just for pleasure of big number.
@@simaogouveia2156 benefit of it is the faster combat
The amount of frustration this game has caused me. Just got killed by the dragon boss in the third world when I had orbs and relics that made me able to deal near 1000 damage per shot. It was the layout of the level that screwed me over cus I couldn’t get the orbs to go anywhere except the sides😭
This video is a year old. It still works.
They got rid of the ability to refresh selections/encounters by quitting and returning, but the fundamentally broken part is still totally unchanged.
Bad Cheese + Round Guard + removing all orbs is still an unbeatable combo.
Damage all enemies while reloading. Immune to all damage while reloading. Always reloading.
It makes sense that they can't fix it, since each item is fine on its own, and can't really be nerfed without losing its individual value. The craziness really just comes from the fact that you're reloading every turn. The best solution, which I think would be easy and make a lot of sense, is to prevent players from removing their final orb. Instead, however, they not only allow it, but facilitate it?
Insane. Peak roguelike.
@@tombroad9239 don't forget the wall.
It’s countered by both the wall and the painter boss. You’ll get swallowed by the wall due to insufficient damage and die to spinfection by the paintings. So all in all somewhat balanced
For those curious, this game does have a custom game option that lets you choose your starting relic and orbs
you do need to find the relics and orbs before they can be chosen in custom games, but yes.
spiff, the only man that can turn a fairly normal game into an idle game.
2 minutes in and Spiff has been rolling his starting item looking for cheese.... This is gonna be good _sips tea_
I guess you could call it... a cheese strat?
I'll see myself out.
Just make sure that it's yorkshire and you're fine.
And then pray you don't get the wall, because I'm pretty sure you can't save quit your way out of boss selections.
I would legitimately love to see a full speed run of this game with this strategy. It would be so fast, purely based on rng, so the perfect luck run would be insane. I wonder if there are seeded runs
I discovered this combo by accident! Had orboros and was buying out every shop trying to get overwhammer to show up. It didn't, but I did get the shield and cheese. I was near the end of the 2nd zone. Was going to die because I didn't have any piercing for the xbow boss. So I hit a shop, sold my last orb, just to see what would happen. And instantly won the game. Very satisfying to have had this happen on a high cruciball level.
"they used to call me the peg king back in collage if you can believe that"
-The Spiffing Brit, 2023
Don't quote him! ;)
@@mrnice4434 You should have said: "Don't Quote me on that." ~The Spiffing Brit, 2023
I just finished a run in peglin right before you posted this x'D
I discovered most of this exploit a while back, before Orboroborus was updated with the 'take 4 damage when you discard', so I essentially had the same strat manually reloading.
Brilliant game for any wondering, highly recommended.
The item that heals you when you reload would cancel out that damage, so he probably could have kept orboroboris
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill"
Spiff is more Sun Tsu than Sun Tsu ever dreamed humanity could become. Behold the power of [ glare ].
I love that this is a thing that you can actually do in the game and can sometimes happen even if you don't reload the game to get it.
Final Boss: No balls?
Peglin: *I don’t need any*
Spiff really out here with the great Adam Savage quotes: "I reject your reality and substitute it with my own"
DungeonMaster?
@@levyayano4644 No, mythbusters, wtf is dungeonmaster?
21:01 that was _exactly_ the comment I was about to make
You forgot to mention that there is a counter to this strategy, the castle boss can be the wall which insta kills you no matter what. What I'd suggest to do if you want to attempt this run, is get a pretty strong orb that doesn't damage you when you skip it and just skip it all the time until you get to his fight
I think it can damage you up to 6 hearts/skip, as that your regeneration
@@schwingedeshaehers no, it straight up gobbles your ass
Pick up 1 orb in World 2, buff it with relics, sell in World 3
@@DrGandW sure, but you have more time to make a 1 orb build if you use the first world as well
Simply keeping the Orboros would've served that purpose well, specifically once healing is obtained. The Orboros could then be skipped without worries about dying from self-damage, while having a backup in case the wall boss shows up (or boredom creeps in).
i knew about this combo to an extent, getting ourobouros and then either getting another orb and removing it or offsetting the self-damage with the healing item, but i didn't know you could delete your last orb, nor that you can exit to menu and load back in to change the items in chests
loving it! from the sense of humor in the quality commentary, to the way you break the game with immense pleasure hahaha
My favourite part of Peglin is when the Peglin said "Its peggin time" and pegged everybody
Very original...
HAHAHA HAHAHA LOLE LOLE LOLE HAHAHA LMAO LMAOOOOOOO 🤣 😂 😆 😅 HAHAHA LOLE LMAOOOOOOO LOL
@@joaquinnievas9079 your comment is also not "original"...
"They used to call me the Peg King back in college...don't quote me on that." -The Spiffing Brit, 2023
*dies laughing*
"I reject your reality and substitute my own." Adam Savage, and now apparently Spiff
Nice! Dungeonmaster!
It reminds me a lot of Path of Exile, where with all the diversity and flexibility of building creation you can do things like that (obviously bridging the gap), the difference is that while here it can be an actual "mechanic", in Path of Exile at next patch they nerf the build, change the interaction, ruin other builds by accident and the next patch it repeats all over again
Which is just insane since every "good" build is just a different flavor of "insta-kills everything on screen." I don't know why they bother trying to make some builds less effective at this when that's all the game ends up being for everyone anyway.
There is one thing in peglin that could _hypothetically_ kill you with this loadout, and that is the act 2 boss called The Wall.
Not only is it one of, if not the tankiest enemy in the game, it also has an instakill when it gets on top of you.
Its mainly balanced by the fact that it has the best, most exploitable board in the entirety of peglin, leading to a massive amount of damage per shot.
Im not completely sure that the damage output of the cheese is enough to kill the wall before it devours you
I feel like they need to add an achievement for beating the game in this fashion
Titled "cheesed it"
"Good cheese"
The cheese stands alone
@@goreobsessed2308 Lets hope it doesn't have as much holes as swiss cheese, or it won't stand long.
Might be that it stands alone because it stinks like swiss cheese.
The world of cheese is a complicated subject, especially in videogames. just ask Bubsy the Bobcat (from Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind) or the Dragonborn. They'll have different stories to tell.
Spiif has become so good that he doesn't even need to do anything to win.
My favorite Spiffing Brit Breaks are the ones where he completes the game by completely ignoring the intended means of progress
"They could hold events..." you had me cracking up. Your delivery was impeccable. It's all about the ti..ming, tim..ing, timing. Timing 2:40 oh wait, they really do have events? Never mind.
I think the ONLY thing that could stop this build is the other second world boss - the demon wall. If I recall correctly, that's an instant-kill when he reaches you, and I'm not sure there's enough time for the cheese's cheese to ramp up to get through his health pool...
But if he's not there? Gravy train all the way! Hilarious video!
What if you played against the wall in the second level? That kills you if it gets close automatically
remember that he have a shield that blocks anythin when reloadin
@@Rrrandomiser1234 it wont work as the wall do not deal dmg, it just instantly trigger game over. However it could be solved by just by an orb and kill the boss then sell the orb at world 3
I have created this exact build before and I did die to the wall.
can't you just reroll the boss encounter
@@KnitterX Alas no, it's set at the start of coming into the level, as seen by the icon
The best part was when the Brit said "It's pegging time!" and then proceeded to peg all over the place.
hate to break it to you but that one hasn‘t been funny for like a year
@Marvin Wolf hate to break it to you, but nobody else seems to have gotten that memo
@@marvinwolf3765hate to break it to you but its never been funny
I remember doing this a few months ago, it was awesome… until I died to the wall
Been watching Spiff for a while, it's only now (that I'm high as all heck), that I've TRULY appreciated him as he should be.
Haha this combo is great. Glad you found it!
Welp, Here's another indie title that's going to absolutely explode in popularity thanks to a single video from the Spiffing Brit.
Well done old chap
The green lovecraftian peg king
It's said that it's glare kills you oh so slowly and none of the known attack had even put a scratch atop his green skin. And it's told that anyone who dared raise their blade against him lost the light in their eyes, truly terrifying
The shop update didn't break the game at all. It actually balanced it a bit more and gave the player an actual chance at higher difficulties.
It did break the game, by making it significantly less time consuming to get perfect runs with quit/continue
@MrMetra101 save quits broke the game. The shop update without abusing a feature is balanced. I use save quits to attempt a fight multiple times but I never use it for perfect runs. And custom runs are a thing for a reason.
@@MrMetra101 lol it's not "breaking the game" if it's a very obvious exploit that you have to go out of your way to perform. Just play the game as intended and don't cheat and it's great.
@@pjwaring my question is why isnt the shop tied to seed or something, like slay the spire doesnt have this exploit (different games/devs i know) as far as im aware
@@MrMetra101 Then quit/cpntinue is what is breaking the game, not the shops.
This reminds me of an achievement in "Night of the full moon" (one, in my opinion, of the best mobile and/or card games there is).
You deal damage by playing cards. But if you manage to get the right equipment and/or blessings, you can kill the enemy without even playing one. (well, after getting the stuff, of course)
I highly recommend the game. And this type of deck is a lot of fun. Can even be achieved with just the knight.
The only one that would stop this run would be the Facewall, who straight up eats you, making you automatically lose
The only feasible explanation is that the goblin must have a stand
thanks Spiff for making the pegging joke before literally all of the comments
just want to be the first one
@@thespiffingbrit Don't they all...
as a game creator watching The Spiffing Brit teach me what to not have in my game
You're the only creator I know of that can do essentially nothing and make it entertaining.
Keep Spiffin'.
The fact that the relic you're using to cheese the game is actually cheese is just amazing.
Imagine getting this setup and then getting the wall boss 😂
The wall boss in chapter 2 ruins this build because their attack bypasses protection
Epic as always, but there is one problem with this strat for anyone trying to replicate it. One of the potential bosses on the second level is the Demon Wall. It does no attack damage, but it will instantly kill you if it reaches you. It has the largest health pool of anything in the game, and you're just not going to be able to do enough damage to it before it reaches you.
If you have to fight the Wall, obtain a decent Damage-Dealing Orb and Upgrade it before reaching the Boss Battle - as long as you only have One Orb, you can still Reload every other Turn, healing off damage, and you can then Remove the Orb again once you've entered Stage 3...
I am ecstatic to see that even after changing the final dungeon layout it’s not looking any less phalic. Well done, creator of that one pegging game 👌
The amount of action and intense suspense was awesome. This was the perfect thing to put me to sleep. Thank you!
Hmm yes, perfectly balanced
So one thing that wasn't mentioned, though probably has been mentioned elsewhere in the comments, is that there are two bosses for the second act, and the one that he didn't get can't be beaten with this method. Though he may have been able to potentially just find one orb at the start of the act to be able to kill that boss, so it may not have been a complete loss.
He's the kind of guy to cheat the library of babel to give him the secret to immortality.
Cool to see a peglin video. I been playing for a few weeks it's rlly fun. They need to bring it to a level of polish on par with slay the spire and it'd be even better
There is an item in Peglin named after you. It's called the "Spiffy Crit".
I found this out while playing Peglin for the first time.
I feel like every time a developer gets a notification that Spiff uploads, a cold sweat starts
At least until they verify that it isn't any of theirs that he's breaking today.
I'm going to be thinking about The Spiffing Brit while working on my own game... 🤣🤣🤣. I'm sure he'll figure out a cheat in 5 minutes 🤣
But does this work when you come across the demon wall as an endboss to the castle? I'd imagine you wouldn't do enough damage by the time it reaches you - does the no damage whilst reloading relic actually protect you from that considering it's a one hit kill?
Tried it myself - a run with bad cheese and round guard ends at the demon wall - nothing can protect you from its attack if it reaches you. It's the one weakness of this build
Seeing the word no balls pointing at a poor little goblin just makes me think spiffs bullying him
I love you. take my sub! the fact that you can fuck around with a game and find something this hilariously broken is the best kind of gameplay.
also the Idea that a goblin with a shield and some cheese is murdering an entire kingdom so there is that. XD
11:21 average "progressive" politician in the the United States
Thats every politician my man
aww man, they fixed the "return to main screen" exploits, now the items are persistent as soon as they showed up on screen, even the boss fight. BOOOOOO......
problem is this strat is a 50/50 if you get the wall as the 2nd boss you cant kill him quick enough and he eats you
Absolutely legendary thumbnail, Spiff. Thank you.
spiff got lucky he didn't get the all devouring wall, as it basically hard counters this build.
As someone who plays Peglin, act 2 was terrifying bc there is an elite that just ends you. Not by damage, just game over.
Sounds like a pretty straight forward fix would be to make the damage of bad cheese scale on how many orbs have been reloaded that encounter. It would also allow the cheese to still have a place in bloated builds.
"NO BALLS" in thumbnail is pretty funny tho
Just the fact that some developer out there beat Konami at their own game. It’s truly poetic.
For how balance and fair this was, it seems pretty easy
Man, I just love your "Perfectly balanced indeed" so much)
Totally balanced, thanks for the fun, definitely how the developers intended the game to work.
Y'know, something I think that's kinda funny is that this probably still would've been a game-winning build even if you hadn't gotten rid of the Orboros (or gotten a different orb before getting rid of it).
British man wins battles by not carrying weapons…..
I think I’ve heard that somewhere before
I would love seeing you playing a game of solitaire.
"Oh, there's nothing that stops me from just putting the bad card I drew back in the deck and reshuffle! This game is perfectly balanced indeed!"