Every time a bottle that was mopped from the polluted water tank was added to your clean water pitcher pump it added 1.2 million food poisoning turns to that pool.
I love this mod and I love this playthrough-mostly because it makes ONI look more like an ant farm than it already is, but also because of how much innovating is in order 😤❤
if you have even a small amount of rust available, you can throw down a rusty oxidizer solely for the purposes of getting Chlorine to run the water coming off the polluted water vent through some liquid tanks to decontaminate it while also actually sealing the polluted water pool off to help prevent all the spills and mopping you've had to waste time on. Should take care of the germ problem.
@@nolan4339 Well ONI chlorine is magic, it disinfects through air tight gas containers. You should leave that real world knowledge at the door when playing ONI.
Makes me so happy (maybe not the right word?) to see Francis the Great who basically taught me everything I know about ONI dealing with with the same disasters I do lol Much Love.
I would loop the conveyor until it dropped to X degrees, then loop a second time in the heat exchanger until it dropped to the desired temp. The first loop would bring it close to the steam room temp. The second loop would bring it down further, closer to turbine output temp. It should also help with the upper left hotspot depending on how you do your loop.
When you mopped that water from the polluted tank, each bottle of water mopped had the same germ quantity as the polluted water below. Maybe when dupes were mopping a "selfrefilling" spot, the germs in that single bottle of water were stupidly high!
There is a mod for sinks If I remember correctly its name "sink queue" its so useful dupes just wait their turn to wash their hands instead of bypassing the sink like an animal if its being used...
@AKUJIRULE what is bullshit about basic dupency? If you take a shit you wash your hands, you won't skip washing your hands because someone using sinks right, you just wait a little...
@@emrepalapi i mean, if you consider how many people you see not washing their hands after using public toilets, the dupes' vanilla behavior around sinks is actually kinda realistic...
This is a really engaging series you've got here. I've found most ONI content to be rather tedious/repetitive lately. Your content has the advantage of some relatively aggressive cuts (for example in this series your cuts have allowed you to go at about 50 cycles/hour of footage), but still you have a distinctive style on most maps: "dig everything, suffer some growing pains as your oxygen pressure plummets and dupes start getting crispy, win everything anyway". This series has gotten you out of that mold for sure, and it's a nice change of pace. This is still definitely not a mod that I could deal with myself, it seems like the need for the various infinite loops (like free energy via turning your aquatuner coolant into steam) is just too much, and I 1. haven't really learned those all that well anyway and 2. I've never been a big fan of them being in the game in the first place.
aquatuner is a must in this game... I still remember the pain to cool stuff with the hydrogen bubbler setup! or not having enough wheezeworts in the map
@@walljaik The aquatuner as an instrument to move heat from a piped liquid into the environment is no problem to me. What I don't like is that when you run an aquatuner in a room full of water and steam, feed a steam turbine with the steam, and drip the waste water from the steam turbine back into the room, and you tune all the numbers properly, electricity is magically generated.
i like the tiny maps mod a little more than this current run's map mod. 1) tiny worlds has a variety of sizes to choose 2) it doesn't put you right at the top of the map, so regolith & rockets are easier 3) still keeps variety on the map (they're randomly generated, so they have all the same items, just compacted) 4) tiny worlds has an option to increase the mass of each tile, so it's the same amount of stuff just denser
@@Latronibus ahhh my bad! missunderstood! it's not as complicated as it seems but everyone plays his own way. Dripping waste water into the steam room is to reduce the temperature gradient needed to change phase and also having same pressure always. No need of complicated setups, just a pipe is needed. :)
@@walljaik It isn't about it being complicated, it's that the infinite loop is both nonphysical (IRL the second law of thermodynamics prohibits such a loop) and counterintuitive (my intuition would expect that I would wind up either converting electricity to heat or just not doing anything in net, but actually you gain electricity and delete heat). Now it's a game, I don't expect perfect realism, but consider another example of something nonphysical: the combination of the electrolyzer and hydrogen generator. IRL burning hydrogen would consume as much oxygen as you made and produce less energy than it cost to split, but it is easy enough to understand that in ONI the hydrogen generator only consumes hydrogen, and then compare the energy cost of producing hydrogen vs. the energy output of the hydrogen generator to see that a SPOM works out. This isn't the only instance of counterintuitive physics in ONI. As another example, phase changes don't have an associated energy change (like how IRL you have to warm water to 100C and then continue adding heat in order to turn it to steam). This is true even if the substance changes (such as melting rock into magma). But phase changes do induce a heat capacity change like they do IRL, and in the case of substance changes, this can persist upon "reversing" the phase change (like melting sandstone to magma and cooling it back to igneous rock). The result is that you can use these phase change loops to inexplicably create or delete massive amounts of heat. (A regolith melter can power itself, for example.) These are little bits of knowledge that you basically just have to memorize because they make no sense. And you can't just ignore them, at least not once temperature becomes important.
You can see at cycle 143, the clean water pocket had like over 600 million germs, and by the time of cycle 145, it reduced to 300 million. The amount of germ is definitely not accumulated over time. I highly suspect that there is an integer overflow bug in the germ calculation and at cycle 140-ish the germ on one tile of water overflowed to 2.1 billion .
I'm rewatching this over my lunch break at work and trying not to sob laughing over your germ problems. Your pain is funny but only because of how cavalier you'd gotten about germs, so you have only yourself to blame! XD
The sheer volume of germs isn't unheard of from the polluted water vent, But that many germs getting on your dupes is hilarious. Edit: Just seen the 300m bacteria /Tile water and i'm amazed
Man your cooling method is so clean! I slapped 4 steam vents on top of the magma biome and started digging. You will double the amount of igneous rock vs my method.
Tip for magma: Restrict access to the pitcher pump, can't dump magma if magma can't be reached. For dupe safety, try and get two doors in there: One for automation signal and one with access restriction so they can always get out.
every time you add a blob of 10kg to the clean water tank you add 1.5 million germs to it which is why there are so many. this is like that time gearhead ended up with over a billion slimelung germs on his ethanol cooler because the gas kept duplicating the germs.
thanks for the ep, played the save file and saw a few issues first and most pressing is the steam turbines overheating need a temp shift or two to fix it, the other issue i saw found is the convener rail seemed to be releasing over temperature items your large heat sink how ever worked wonders rapidly cooling them regardless, finial idea/ though was if you build a wall in magma biome, and pump the magma from below the steam turbine clear out all those items and more importantly make a proper heat injector, personally i'd convent all of the magma to igneous rock and use door crushers to make a thermal injector. good luck
You can move the bottle emptier for magma so it sits on top of the mesh with the nozzle into the wall of the steam room. That way the liquid will still dump out where you want it to go and it leaves one extra tile free that might be enough to prevent the dupes from reaching through.
Once you start pumping out magma, you can probably do it in sections by walling some out, thus more quickly freeing up some space. You could probably also use a Sweepy to pre-bottle it up for you, which might allow some automation in when it gets added to the system.
To fill the bottle emptier, you can trap 1 dupe during it's work time using 2 doors, 1 clock, 1 dupe sensor, 1 and gate, 1 not gate. Only allow 1 dupe through the first door and connect the automation to the second door. Once the dupe it's in the right side of the door the dupe sensor will close the door, and the only task accessible will be to deliver magma. The clock, just set to release the dupe in it's down time.
7:40 this happen to me once, when dupes is drench in germs one or 10 passing of sink will not remove it all and dupe will keep using the sink and unable to leave to sleep in bed until they are spotless thus blocking the usage of toilet and everyone just lost it and it's not a bug, just how sink and wash basin is design dupe can only allowed to leave without germ on them
You could use a liquid pump to suck the magma layer by layer (its only 3 layers deep) using a blob of water on the right side of the activation cross of the pump. Once it is in an insulated pipe (maybe made out of steel?) you can have total control over the flow.
Welcome to hell: where you wash your hands all day every day, never getting clean, and only stop when you pass out from exhaustion.. "Oops, oh well" - Francis John
@Franscois John there is something oddly satisfying when you delete germs with steam...🤔... That could also be extra cooling for you metals etc. Cool down the 95C water and no more germs.
Might it have been smarter to run the hot stuff around in a loop to keep things rotating and get the highest throughput, sort of like the end of a regolith melter but instead of things melting off the line you just shunt them off when they cool down enough
28:00 I prefer to add a sensor before the tank ( like 4 or 8 pipes before) with a filter gate and set the filter to 20 sec, the reason is that is more precise and you don't use more H2 that needed
It might be worth putting a diamond window temp spike into the magma to cool it down. Then you can revert to steel door management of the steam room's temp. When the magma cools enough to turn into igneous rock, it can be passed through the rails just like the steel. Overall it should result in a lot less manual dupe work than pitcher-ing in the magma.
@@Yazra_o7 Ah, yeah it looks like he's using them to suck up magma, I was thinking about how well a sweepy might be able to pick up all that debris that he couldn't reach with his dupes under the magma.
If you put an automated door under the bottle emptier the dupes cant put bottles into the emptier if the door is open so if you really wanted to automate it you can just set the door up to the thermo sensor you already put into the steam room set the temperature to about 200C and keep both steam turbines running full time until you run out of magma. The dupes will still have to pump the magma so youll still have the buffer range for a brown out but you could just set the thermo senser up to a filter gate and put the temperature lower on the senser so the dupes will have the errand before the errand is needed.
A steel sweepy could potentially sweep up all that magma for you and put it in bottles. A sweeper could then grab that out of the base station and put it in a bottle emptier. Just not sure if a sweepy would start sweeping liquids if there's so much of it though
To automate the power on the steam turbines you could put a wattage sensor on the heavy Watt line and run it to the pneumatic door in front of the atmos suits
Similar to the trick you used with the visco gel magma pump on the hungry dupes map, you can use a mini pump for 50g/s magma. This can be done using a tile of water to the lower right of a mini liquid pump. Rotate the pump so that the water is kept to the top right square. This water won't enter the pump but the magma from directly below the pump will. Here is a visual! forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/91094-the-mystery-about-pump-range/
I have a problem, where when my duplicates come up through my liquid lock, they get called to dinner and drop 1200 degree material into it, instantly boiling it. Short of using liquid metal for it, I’m not sure quite what to do
Use petroleum for the liquid lock to help keep a buffer in the amount of time needed to pick up the debris. When it comes to stuff that hot it’s best to store it in a vacuum with a sweep command and deal with it at later date. For me, I do what Francis is doing “sieve” it through a steam room use the heat energy out of and now you have 200c debris that won’t boil oil or petroleum locks
Before petroleum, I run my cooling loop through my liquid locks. I also carefully manage storage locations so they never ever carry the really hot stuff through a lock.
maybe a stupid question, but: why not put a thermo aquatuner inside the new steam room to cool your base. so you can get rid of the old one, so you can gain a lot s of space (don t know if I am really clear) also, really great stuff. loving your oni series
I've seen that germ bug when creating the steam room for heat deletion. For some reason heating up (polluted) water will increase germs massively, in my case the germs were destroyed due to the heat. I saw numbers in the billions, it gets ridiculous lol
to solve that lava problem you can use a dup sensor and a click counter with a auto door, after x amount of dups (lava dumps) the door will close and no more lava, them add a timer and you are set
Could you move the magma pitcher pump a few tiles to the left, lock it behind a door and then unlock it via automation when the temperature in the steam room reaches a minimum level? Then your dupes would only fetch 200g at a time for the bottle emptier when it's needed.
You could also put bunker tiles above the bunker door. Place one bunker tile *above* the bunker door, in line with the ladder. Concerning the germs - has disinfecting been turned off?
If you eventually want more magma, dumping regolith seams like it would be the best solution. It would basically act as a low tech temporary regolith melter, and I mean regolith is a lot more plentiful than any rocks.
I'm trying to replicate this gameplay now at 2022, but things seems a little bit different. I'm not sure if this was recently changed on some update or I'm doing something wrong, but when I close the door to force the debris to the right/down diagonal, it goes up instead, above the door.
This made me think, I know its not efficient, but could you drop the cooled metal into the magma to reheat and then repeat the cycle? Would it be infinite or would heat run out eventually?
The magma would eventually cool, it would take a long time though as there is a huge amount of heat in there. On full size maps you can run your entire base on power generated from the magma core pretty easily.
I would like to make a suggestion for the size of this map why don't you use the sweepy bots for Regolith collection ond the asteroid's surface and make everything out of steel maybe? Maybe on the side of the map make a drop point straight into the magma biome with a dropper at the top. Liquid pump that pumps a little bit if polluted water into the magma biom and the regolity with help of temperature shift plates boil the polluted water - or use regular water - into steam to be consumed by the steam turbine? The regolith can be instead put into a smaller walled of section with the turbines if space is a problem and the extra energy isn't needed and when the regolith is cooled down to a suitable temperature you export it for use in filtration medium in water sifs?
Nothing can be built above where he has the bunker doors. So none of that could be built. You could put the dropper down in a pit I guess. But no sweepy on top is possible.
Just asking, would it be viable to use a destiller + fertilizer setup on this map? i know their output is low but the map is so small, so you can't construct many machines anyway
Since you're not worried about germs and just letting it spread freely, How about removing the sink until you decide to start purging germs again? Not like the sink is effective at stopping sickness right now anyways. It'd free up time and let the dupes polluted water flow.
so I heard a thing from a person on youtube: apparently if you add a tiny bit of slime lung to food poison germs slime lung will kill all the food poison germs and will naturally die because of O2 or water but this might be useless because I don't remember if you have a slime biome for slimelung
Am I wrong in thinking that there is nothing but the magma setup though your suit checkpoint? If so you already have a door there you can use to automate it.
I'm just starting on my first space mission ever in oni, and I watched many of your tutorial on how to get this done. However what I miss is a comprehensive tutorial on which materials are best to use for which purposes. A tip for a tutorial video perhaps?
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"Welcome to sanitation not included where we have mistakenly put some water in our food poisoning germs".
They're walking though piswasser onto the nates area and coal generators
i mean the sheer AMOUNT of them should've form a literal layer of algae in these tiles after some time
I think with that amount of germs, the water would more closely resemble cream in consistency.
Not often I get a physical reaction from text. well done
waiting for this the entire day please don't stop this series anytime soon
Frankly IDC what he plays I'll watch
the moment you turned on the germ overlay I had a mini heart attack. my god...
05:47 for your pleasure
Forget the hand sanitizer!
Where's the flamethrower?!
Im disappointed in that natural gas for not finding a way to explode all over your base
"Diamond.... tugsten.... basically all the junk"
perception is reality lol
Every time a bottle that was mopped from the polluted water tank was added to your clean water pitcher pump it added 1.2 million food poisoning turns to that pool.
You can see at 5:35 17kg of water containing half a million
I love this mod and I love this playthrough-mostly because it makes ONI look more like an ant farm than it already is, but also because of how much innovating is in order 😤❤
It has definitely made me play very differently.
You could put a door under the pitcher pump to take out its surface to automate it.
if you have even a small amount of rust available, you can throw down a rusty oxidizer solely for the purposes of getting Chlorine to run the water coming off the polluted water vent through some liquid tanks to decontaminate it while also actually sealing the polluted water pool off to help prevent all the spills and mopping you've had to waste time on. Should take care of the germ problem.
Francis, I TOLD you to take the rust. I TOLD you to make an 8x3 chlorination germ processor. :P
It is funny that ethanol doesn't act as a disinfection material like chlorine too...
@@nolan4339 Well ONI chlorine is magic, it disinfects through air tight gas containers. You should leave that real world knowledge at the door when playing ONI.
@@nolan4339 It's even funnier that there is no recreational machine using ethanol as input.
@@Tamizushi Instead of recreation, how about some performance enhancing drugs for the little guys? It would be a good medicine ingredient.
Makes me so happy (maybe not the right word?) to see Francis the Great who basically taught me everything I know about ONI dealing with with the same disasters I do lol
Much Love.
I would loop the conveyor until it dropped to X degrees, then loop a second time in the heat exchanger until it dropped to the desired temp. The first loop would bring it close to the steam room temp. The second loop would bring it down further, closer to turbine output temp. It should also help with the upper left hotspot depending on how you do your loop.
I'm revisiting this series in June 2021. Damn it was good. Everything you do is so good!
Baby base? Nay, I say "Dirty Base" ... nothing 'baby' about the amount of germs. Holy wow!
Baby Poop Base
you ever been around babies, like all day? aptly named. it's literally shitting itself.
Man, after playing the game myself i finaly understand how important it is to make stuff as efficient as possible
When you mopped that water from the polluted tank, each bottle of water mopped had the same germ quantity as the polluted water below. Maybe when dupes were mopping a "selfrefilling" spot, the germs in that single bottle of water were stupidly high!
There is a mod for sinks If I remember correctly its name "sink queue" its so useful dupes just wait their turn to wash their hands instead of bypassing the sink like an animal if its being used...
none of his dupes would ever work, they would all stay queued
They would die in that Que of starvation
@AKUJIRULE what is bullshit about basic dupency? If you take a shit you wash your hands, you won't skip washing your hands because someone using sinks right, you just wait a little...
@@emrepalapi i mean, if you consider how many people you see not washing their hands after using public toilets, the dupes' vanilla behavior around sinks is actually kinda realistic...
What do it feels for the game to run so smooth XD
This is a really engaging series you've got here. I've found most ONI content to be rather tedious/repetitive lately. Your content has the advantage of some relatively aggressive cuts (for example in this series your cuts have allowed you to go at about 50 cycles/hour of footage), but still you have a distinctive style on most maps: "dig everything, suffer some growing pains as your oxygen pressure plummets and dupes start getting crispy, win everything anyway". This series has gotten you out of that mold for sure, and it's a nice change of pace. This is still definitely not a mod that I could deal with myself, it seems like the need for the various infinite loops (like free energy via turning your aquatuner coolant into steam) is just too much, and I 1. haven't really learned those all that well anyway and 2. I've never been a big fan of them being in the game in the first place.
aquatuner is a must in this game... I still remember the pain to cool stuff with the hydrogen bubbler setup! or not having enough wheezeworts in the map
@@walljaik The aquatuner as an instrument to move heat from a piped liquid into the environment is no problem to me. What I don't like is that when you run an aquatuner in a room full of water and steam, feed a steam turbine with the steam, and drip the waste water from the steam turbine back into the room, and you tune all the numbers properly, electricity is magically generated.
i like the tiny maps mod a little more than this current run's map mod.
1) tiny worlds has a variety of sizes to choose
2) it doesn't put you right at the top of the map, so regolith & rockets are easier
3) still keeps variety on the map (they're randomly generated, so they have all the same items, just compacted)
4) tiny worlds has an option to increase the mass of each tile, so it's the same amount of stuff just denser
@@Latronibus ahhh my bad! missunderstood! it's not as complicated as it seems but everyone plays his own way. Dripping waste water into the steam room is to reduce the temperature gradient needed to change phase and also having same pressure always. No need of complicated setups, just a pipe is needed. :)
@@walljaik It isn't about it being complicated, it's that the infinite loop is both nonphysical (IRL the second law of thermodynamics prohibits such a loop) and counterintuitive (my intuition would expect that I would wind up either converting electricity to heat or just not doing anything in net, but actually you gain electricity and delete heat). Now it's a game, I don't expect perfect realism, but consider another example of something nonphysical: the combination of the electrolyzer and hydrogen generator. IRL burning hydrogen would consume as much oxygen as you made and produce less energy than it cost to split, but it is easy enough to understand that in ONI the hydrogen generator only consumes hydrogen, and then compare the energy cost of producing hydrogen vs. the energy output of the hydrogen generator to see that a SPOM works out.
This isn't the only instance of counterintuitive physics in ONI. As another example, phase changes don't have an associated energy change (like how IRL you have to warm water to 100C and then continue adding heat in order to turn it to steam). This is true even if the substance changes (such as melting rock into magma). But phase changes do induce a heat capacity change like they do IRL, and in the case of substance changes, this can persist upon "reversing" the phase change (like melting sandstone to magma and cooling it back to igneous rock). The result is that you can use these phase change loops to inexplicably create or delete massive amounts of heat. (A regolith melter can power itself, for example.) These are little bits of knowledge that you basically just have to memorize because they make no sense. And you can't just ignore them, at least not once temperature becomes important.
Loving this scenario. You never fail to come up with creative solutions to your problems.
Can't you put an automated door below the liquid drop off to disable it when the door is open?
dont think so, itll just dump it on the door or a free tile, the way to go would be to restrict pump access
will the bottle emptier work ontop of doors? i thought buildings wouldn't work when on a door-floor
If you mean on top ar an automated airlock then you would be correct. Brothgar used this exact mechanic to automate a similar design.
TFW you go to the toilet, then you spend so long washing your hands that you pee yourself again while washing your hands, then you fall asleep.
You can see at cycle 143, the clean water pocket had like over 600 million germs, and by the time of cycle 145, it reduced to 300 million. The amount of germ is definitely not accumulated over time. I highly suspect that there is an integer overflow bug in the germ calculation and at cycle 140-ish the germ on one tile of water overflowed to 2.1 billion .
I'm rewatching this over my lunch break at work and trying not to sob laughing over your germ problems. Your pain is funny but only because of how cavalier you'd gotten about germs, so you have only yourself to blame! XD
Totally different way of playing this game. What an excellent map.
The sheer volume of germs isn't unheard of from the polluted water vent, But that many germs getting on your dupes is hilarious.
Edit: Just seen the 300m bacteria /Tile water and i'm amazed
Man your cooling method is so clean! I slapped 4 steam vents on top of the magma biome and started digging. You will double the amount of igneous rock vs my method.
Tip for magma: Restrict access to the pitcher pump, can't dump magma if magma can't be reached. For dupe safety, try and get two doors in there: One for automation signal and one with access restriction so they can always get out.
"metal just has such a low thermal conductivity"
Woah 60fps videos again, so smooth
every time you add a blob of 10kg to the clean water tank you add 1.5 million germs to it which is why there are so many. this is like that time gearhead ended up with over a billion slimelung germs on his ethanol cooler because the gas kept duplicating the germs.
This. At 5:35 you can see a small blob (17kg) containing 0.5 million germs
thanks for the ep, played the save file and saw a few issues first and most pressing is the steam turbines overheating need a temp shift or two to fix it, the other issue i saw found is the convener rail seemed to be releasing over temperature items your large heat sink how ever worked wonders rapidly cooling them regardless, finial idea/ though was if you build a wall in magma biome, and pump the magma from below the steam turbine clear out all those items and more importantly make a proper heat injector, personally i'd convent all of the magma to igneous rock and use door crushers to make a thermal injector. good luck
best series yet
You can move the bottle emptier for magma so it sits on top of the mesh with the nozzle into the wall of the steam room. That way the liquid will still dump out where you want it to go and it leaves one extra tile free that might be enough to prevent the dupes from reaching through.
Its reassuring that someone with your expertise in the game still has problems with toilets 🙂makes me feel better about being crap.
Once you start pumping out magma, you can probably do it in sections by walling some out, thus more quickly freeing up some space. You could probably also use a Sweepy to pre-bottle it up for you, which might allow some automation in when it gets added to the system.
10:47 See that blob of water on your liquid pump? Perhaps that's the source of your bug?
To fill the bottle emptier, you can trap 1 dupe during it's work time using 2 doors, 1 clock, 1 dupe sensor, 1 and gate, 1 not gate. Only allow 1 dupe through the first door and connect the automation to the second door. Once the dupe it's in the right side of the door the dupe sensor will close the door, and the only task accessible will be to deliver magma. The clock, just set to release the dupe in it's down time.
7:40 this happen to me once, when dupes is drench in germs one or 10 passing of sink will not remove it all and dupe will keep using the sink and unable to leave to sleep in bed until they are spotless thus blocking the usage of toilet and everyone just lost it
and it's not a bug, just how sink and wash basin is design dupe can only allowed to leave without germ on them
You could use a liquid pump to suck the magma layer by layer (its only 3 layers deep) using a blob of water on the right side of the activation cross of the pump. Once it is in an insulated pipe (maybe made out of steel?) you can have total control over the flow.
You can use automation to block access to the pitcher pump (just move it a few tiles back)
There's some stuff on your germs.
Btw, why not use any of the miniature pumps on workshop? Imo would fit great on this map :)
Great to see this game at 60fps!
Maybe have a door between the pitcher pump and the bottle emptier. The automation could be:
Thermal sensor ( Door
Welcome to hell: where you wash your hands all day every day, never getting clean, and only stop when you pass out from exhaustion..
"Oops, oh well" - Francis John
Best series
@Franscois John there is something oddly satisfying when you delete germs with steam...🤔... That could also be extra cooling for you metals etc. Cool down the 95C water and no more germs.
Might it have been smarter to run the hot stuff around in a loop to keep things rotating and get the highest throughput, sort of like the end of a regolith melter but instead of things melting off the line you just shunt them off when they cool down enough
28:00 I prefer to add a sensor before the tank ( like 4 or 8 pipes before) with a filter gate and set the filter to 20 sec, the reason is that is more precise and you don't use more H2 that needed
It might be worth putting a diamond window temp spike into the magma to cool it down. Then you can revert to steel door management of the steam room's temp. When the magma cools enough to turn into igneous rock, it can be passed through the rails just like the steel. Overall it should result in a lot less manual dupe work than pitcher-ing in the magma.
Makes me wonder how Sweepy handles working in lava...
Brothgar did a whole mini exploration of the idea. As long as you force the dupes to provide the right metal to the dock, it works very well.
@@Yazra_o7 Ah, yeah it looks like he's using them to suck up magma, I was thinking about how well a sweepy might be able to pick up all that debris that he couldn't reach with his dupes under the magma.
The germ issue is something I’ve had to deal with an upsetting amount of times, and I still can’t pinpoint what causes it.
Run polluted water through reserves in chlorine .
If you put an automated door under the bottle emptier the dupes cant put bottles into the emptier if the door is open so if you really wanted to automate it you can just set the door up to the thermo sensor you already put into the steam room set the temperature to about 200C and keep both steam turbines running full time until you run out of magma. The dupes will still have to pump the magma so youll still have the buffer range for a brown out but you could just set the thermo senser up to a filter gate and put the temperature lower on the senser so the dupes will have the errand before the errand is needed.
You've inspired me to try a mini base. Might be time to pause on scrap mechanic and load up ONI again. 👍
A steel sweepy could potentially sweep up all that magma for you and put it in bottles. A sweeper could then grab that out of the base station and put it in a bottle emptier.
Just not sure if a sweepy would start sweeping liquids if there's so much of it though
:D i'm glad to finally see the germs finally cause you to do something about them!
To automate the power on the steam turbines you could put a wattage sensor on the heavy Watt line and run it to the pneumatic door in front of the atmos suits
Similar to the trick you used with the visco gel magma pump on the hungry dupes map, you can use a mini pump for 50g/s magma. This can be done using a tile of water to the lower right of a mini liquid pump. Rotate the pump so that the water is kept to the top right square. This water won't enter the pump but the magma from directly below the pump will.
Here is a visual! forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/91094-the-mystery-about-pump-range/
I have a problem, where when my duplicates come up through my liquid lock, they get called to dinner and drop 1200 degree material into it, instantly boiling it. Short of using liquid metal for it, I’m not sure quite what to do
Use petroleum for the liquid lock to help keep a buffer in the amount of time needed to pick up the debris. When it comes to stuff that hot it’s best to store it in a vacuum with a sweep command and deal with it at later date. For me, I do what Francis is doing “sieve” it through a steam room use the heat energy out of and now you have 200c debris that won’t boil oil or petroleum locks
Before petroleum, I run my cooling loop through my liquid locks. I also carefully manage storage locations so they never ever carry the really hot stuff through a lock.
Conveyor rails in a vacuum or behind insulated tiles could work. Not easier, but safer.
maybe a stupid question, but:
why not put a thermo aquatuner inside the new steam room to cool your base.
so you can get rid of the old one,
so you can gain a lot s of space
(don t know if I am really clear)
also, really great stuff. loving your oni series
You could try using the sweepy bots to reduce the duplicant labour for transporting the magma
Still can't guess where the rocket will be placed. And maybe even two...
Exiting!
I've seen that germ bug when creating the steam room for heat deletion. For some reason heating up (polluted) water will increase germs massively, in my case the germs were destroyed due to the heat. I saw numbers in the billions, it gets ridiculous lol
to solve that lava problem you can use a dup sensor and a click counter with a auto door, after x amount of dups (lava dumps) the door will close and no more lava, them add a timer and you are set
Could you move the magma pitcher pump a few tiles to the left, lock it behind a door and then unlock it via automation when the temperature in the steam room reaches a minimum level? Then your dupes would only fetch 200g at a time for the bottle emptier when it's needed.
You could also put bunker tiles above the bunker door. Place one bunker tile *above* the bunker door, in line with the ladder.
Concerning the germs - has disinfecting been turned off?
You inspired me to start my own mini base! I have no oil well/fissure so im not looking forward to powering rockets just with slicksters!
Drop that map lol
I literally don't understand even a thing but I am watching for some reason.
Awww yeah baby base, get in my belly!
8:40 I guess you need a shower to get rid of those germs 😂
You can also turn your regolith into magma.... Excellent job in such a small space! Automate the magma with a sweepy?
this was a great episode. looking forward to the next one
Love the hydrogen automation tip!
"its fine its fine"
- base turns into magma
Block off the pitcha pump with a door Francis?
the baby base ain't a baby no more xD
If you eventually want more magma, dumping regolith seams like it would be the best solution. It would basically act as a low tech temporary regolith melter, and I mean regolith is a lot more plentiful than any rocks.
BTW I love your little heat exchanger. It never occurred to me that I could suck more heat out of something hot this way.
No no, germs are no issue. You keep learning in this game dont you.
The germs are a major issue! Why some think otherwise, I will never understand...
Not even with covid 19 do we learn lol
@@michaelsotomayor5001 Luckily that's no issue in ONI.
"Ya know what lets skip forward visual aids always help." *-blinks-* no. No that visual aid took quite the pause to make sense of. Hahahahaha
Place a door horizontally to prevent access to pitcher pump to stop dupes from adding more magma.
you can automate the bottle emptier by building it on top of an automated door
I'm trying to replicate this gameplay now at 2022, but things seems a little bit different.
I'm not sure if this was recently changed on some update or I'm doing something wrong, but when I close the door to force the debris to the right/down diagonal, it goes up instead, above the door.
They might have modified things, I have not tested this in a while. The save game file should be linked so you can load it up and test if it's broken.
This made me think, I know its not efficient, but could you drop the cooled metal into the magma to reheat and then repeat the cycle? Would it be infinite or would heat run out eventually?
The magma would eventually cool, it would take a long time though as there is a huge amount of heat in there. On full size maps you can run your entire base on power generated from the magma core pretty easily.
I would like to make a suggestion for the size of this map why don't you use the sweepy bots for Regolith collection ond the asteroid's surface and make everything out of steel maybe?
Maybe on the side of the map make a drop point straight into the magma biome with a dropper at the top.
Liquid pump that pumps a little bit if polluted water into the magma biom and the regolity with help of temperature shift plates boil the polluted water - or use regular water - into steam to be consumed by the steam turbine?
The regolith can be instead put into a smaller walled of section with the turbines if space is a problem and the extra energy isn't needed and when the regolith is cooled down to a suitable temperature you export it for use in filtration medium in water sifs?
Nothing can be built above where he has the bunker doors. So none of that could be built. You could put the dropper down in a pit I guess. But no sweepy on top is possible.
Maybe it's time to install some showers?
Just asking, would it be viable to use a destiller + fertilizer setup on this map? i know their output is low but the map is so small, so you can't construct many machines anyway
this is fun, Thank you!
all I can think now is a sad Dup desperately scribing there hands at a wash station as they undergo ugly crying effect ...
Since you're not worried about germs and just letting it spread freely, How about removing the sink until you decide to start purging germs again? Not like the sink is effective at stopping sickness right now anyways. It'd free up time and let the dupes polluted water flow.
Covid19 strikes the baby mini base!
Also why not just make a naptha blob magma pump or a door compressor magma pump? You'll be be saving valuable duplicant labour.
so I heard a thing from a person on youtube:
apparently if you add a tiny bit of slime lung to food poison germs slime lung will kill all the food poison germs and will naturally die because of O2 or water
but this might be useless because I don't remember if you have a slime biome for slimelung
Wait, what material did you use for you pitcher pump? mine keep overheating in stuff thats way cooler than magma...
Am I wrong in thinking that there is nothing but the magma setup though your suit checkpoint? If so you already have a door there you can use to automate it.
You can use sweepy to automate magma
I'm just starting on my first space mission ever in oni, and I watched many of your tutorial on how to get this done. However what I miss is a comprehensive tutorial on which materials are best to use for which purposes. A tip for a tutorial video perhaps?
Since you have tungsten now, I guess you can go for the hydrogen vent for power too?
I feel at this point he won't have problems with energy now. Maybe use that hydrogen vent for hydrogen rockets.. I wonder lol
My only question is how do u conformably squeeze space into this map?
Finally, is badlands returning?