What is Dieselpunk and Why is it BETTER than Cyberpunk
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Dieselpunk is better than Cyberpunk, Solarpunk, Starfield and everything else.
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Cyberpunk: Cool laser shotgun
Steampunk: Cool lightning hand cannon
Diselpunk: *75mm Assault Rifle*
Atompunk: I'll take all.
Atompunk: *Handheld nuclear warheads*
Solarpunk: Anti-Gravity projector that immobilizes someone for intensive negotiation and eventually psychological treatment, improving their life peacefully.
NASAPunk/Cassettepunk: Railgun.
Punk Punk. Yo dawg I heard you liked punk so I put punk in your punk for when you go punkin 😎
Biopunk: quite literally a disembodied c¥ck
>Talks about dieselpunk.
>does not talk about Iron Harvest or Generation Zero.
iron harvest is hands down one of th ebest dieselpunk pieces of media out there
Isnt generation zero more like retro futurism?
i was about to say that, especially in Iron Harvest and the scythe universe since all the mechs there were originally just farming equipment tech.
@@Randomusername56782 kinda a mix between, There also is a tiny bit of cyberpunk. MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW:
Since FNIX is like GLADOS in the way that the AI template was a human brain, it's also confirmed that a yet unseen side character was given a cybernetic leg by FNIX because of an injury she sustained due to her helping FNIX against the soviets.
@@titanfallgamerwithnotitanf8187 i see, I always kinda assumed generation zero was retro futurism because its set in the 80s and you mostly see 80s military equipment and appliances in the game. I always associated diesel punk with the WW2 and interwar eras.
“Atom Punk is just Fallout” yeah that’s probably the best way of explaining it.
Thing is
Fallout 1, 2, NV, 3 and Tactics
Or
4 and 76 ?
@@jetpilledmyron2056 Both are different faces of Atompunk, but are still Atompunk. Atompunk is less broad than Dieselpunk but as long as it has zany 60's-style tech and a general cold-war era vibe it's atompunk.
I think you could throw in Atomic Heart in there as a good exemple
Never played, so im not sure if it even uses nuclear technology. Even if it downet, it dose seem to fit the general asthetic.
@@Kain01able They do, they use ALOT.
Didn't mention the actual most famous Dieselpunk, like literally the image of Dieselpunk is Iron Harvest
Underated game
@@4epictimeabsoluteley, sad it got abandoned by devs after the whole "warmap" update
agreed, the artworks/ scythe are magnificent
the metro game series is a great example of almost pure diesel punk mixed with the aftermath of atomic punk
Plus, you fight both Red and Reich factions. Ever notice the RPD machine gun schematics throughout the Metro?
The Orks from Warhammer 40k definitely have a Mad Max inspired Dieselpunk aesthetic, especially their vehicles and walkers
Your right but the orks don't use disale they use believing in something to work so yes but actually no
Genestealers have a similar aesthetic in some instances
The AdMech are literal walking, talking, breat... ok, filtering Dieselpunk people cranked up to 11
@@kellycrosby6062 that's a popularly misunderstood concept. The WAAAGH energies that masses of orks produce certainly does bend reality in their favor to a degree (such as vehicles painted red going faster), but some things keep even orks grounded to real world physics. An orks knowledge of science, engineering, and medicine is in their DNA which shows up in their weirdboyz (meks, mad doks, and such). They don't go to school or apprenticeships to learn these things, they just simply know it.
@@jetpilledmyron2056the admech is more like a mix-and-match between dieselpunk, steampunk, cyberpunk and atompunk they're cyborgs using wooden stocked guns that shoot radioactive bullets, have gas powered tanks, robot horses, their Society is a feudal empire mixed in with industrialists and corporate vibes etc,etc
I'm a fan of Stonepunk/Sandalpunk.
Stonepunk is essentially just Flintstones; everything powered by water, dinosaurs, wind, etc. A talking bird is your radio, a firebeetle is your lighter, torchbugs light the streets at night, which are traversed by mammoth "trucks", stedosaur schoolbuses, raptor taxis, etc.
It's a neat concept.
Now i kinda wanna see a world where this is the case but replacr animals and dions with demons and body horror monsters
So basically The Flinstones?
@@najlitarvan921then you should check out HR Geigers stuff and the game Scorn. It's full of those biomechanical body horrors where something like a train railway is made from spines
what about sandalpunk? is that like tactical turn based vietnamese resistance fighter or something?
@@najlitarvan921 Scorn is like that
The titans in Titanfall 1 show quite a lot of dieselpunk attributes. They have big exhaust pipes chugging out fumes and their structure is pretty bulky when comparing to Titanfall 2's titans which I'd argue, slot into the Nasapunk category
I agree, but some of the titan designs in titanfall 1 looked more like old nasa tech in sort of a mix between moon landers and the big puffy spacesuits
To me it seems like titans changed their design from titanfall 1 to 2 the same way that cars did from the older more curvy models to the newer models with sharper edges
*sigh* the "punk" in all of these titles are meant to refer to the societal change and shift caused by the technology they refer to.
It's a reference to specific counter cultural movement of punk and the messages of freedom, self expression, artistic integrity, form over function and rebellion but like anything the term has been butchered to the point that people think that the "-punk" part of the name doesn't mean anything other than aesthetic like having your story include robot arms doesn't make it cyberpunk, no one on earth calls star wars a cyberpunk series
‘Sigh’ lol
That doesn’t seem to fit considering most -punk settings are well after tech development has halted.
@@Talon19
Except that they usually in the process of mass distribution in punk settings. How changes society. Or the problems arise from it. It's about how society actually adapts, or doesn't, to said tech. In many cases, it's about the exploitation of the tech by individuals that have society rocking effects.
@@BlondieHound1
Give some examples.
Atomic Punk is pretty cool too, even if Fallout is pretty much the only major example of that genre. I am kind of interested in how Diesel punk and Nazi sci fi stuff tends to intermingle. Even though they aren’t codependent. There's also Bio-punk and Nano-punk.....cause you know. My favorite things that are diesel punk though? The Bioshock 1 and 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and Atlantis the Lost Empire.
Idk, I think Atomic Heart can be sonidered as the second major one!
@@Ocelot835 Very much what I have seen of it
Buck Rogers, Dan Dare and The Jetsons are pretty solid Atompunk
@@kerbal666 The Jetsons is retro-futurism. The "punk" part is usually something that challenges that.
@@gimmeyourrights8292 Exactly! But it wasn't when it came out. Make a grim version you get Atompunk. Same how gaslight fantacy became steampunk. Arguably you could say cyberpunk falls into re-fu because it its a vision of the future from the 80s. But yeah you're right about the punk suffix
Waiting for punkpunk
I'm actually going to suggest FashPunk, where conformity and dedication to the State is the new rebellion.
@@mattrobson3603 bourgepunk when
That would be interesting to read for a change @@mattrobson3603
I remember making an dieselpunk worldbuiling project when i was young, main inspiration of it came from the early 20th century aesthetic, blending militarism and cultural identity as the main theme. Since then i've also created a sequel for it, imagining what happend in that world after 100 years, taking inspiration from cold-war and military fantasy of metal gear solid.
Why don't you write a book or make a game with it then?
@@willywallyb2379 i've made a series of drawings and maybe a couple short stories, my writing skill is not the best so i focused more on the drawings
Only critique I’d have is trying to expand it too much, genres have effect bc they’re limited, if u try to put everything in then it no longer counts (I’d say dieselpunk has 2 requirements, aesthetic being one, but the critiques of militarism and fascism being just as important)
In the same way that pro corporate cyberpunk isn’t really cyberpunk, idk if pro war diesel punk is rly dieselpunk
@@robbagel54Pro corp cyberpunk is either cyberprep or post-cyberpunk. The best examples I can think of rn are Toaru Majutsu for the former, and Ergo Proxy for the latter.
Demonpunk definitely needs to be a mainstream thing now. I can’t get enough of doom eternal’s aesthetics
Iron Warriors from Warhammer 40k use demons to fuel theyr machines, so I think they count.
It was quite coincidental that this appeared in my recommendations right as I was drawing a dieselpunk dropship Zeppelin, lol.
EDIT: I posted the WIP under my post spotlight on Deviantart.
Fellow helghast
im sure a lot of people would love to see that
can you post it when its done plz
@@mickthick6170 I will, I've Been procrastinating about finishing it because I have been spreading Democracy in Helldivers 2. I will post it on my deviantart account when I'm done.
What's your Deviantart account called?
if you really want a decent example of diesel punk then you gotta try out HighFleet it is by far the best examples of diesel punk I've come to find
A game? I’ll have to look it up.
Also based pfp
@@Buster-McTunderany updates? What did you think?
@@JMonkey7575 bro forgor
For anyone interested, I strongly recommend the artworks made by Keith Thompson for the diesel-punk and biopunk novel Leviathan.
The battle block music Goes hard
True, dieselpunk is great.
I personally think Edwardian era slightly fantastical europe is a a very underrated aesthetic/world.
So half way between dieselpunk and steampunk, like right before or during ww1.
Iron harvest has ww1 with mechs, and honestly the trailer to that game manages to achieve what i imagine tanks originally did. We are so dissensitized to horrors of history that a bit of fantastical igredients can bring the same feeling that real events did when experienced first hand without knowledge in hindsight.
Also engine go whroom is always more badass than any of that electric crap
I think the game Lies of P might fit this genre.
Bioshock Infinite was a favorite of mine in this era
I stumbled upon Dieselpunk with the tabletop RPG system called Warbirds. VERY interesting type of game about being WWI/WWII style fighterpilots part of a guild set on another world where the carribean islands have been somehow transported into that world, floating high above a roiling depth made of combustable elements and even pressurized fuel in a gas form that can be harvested, etc.
Is it similar to DnD/Cyberpunk?
No, it's quite different. other statpool format, it's like, if the era of WWI-WWII never happened but continued for an extra 100 years or so. With floating islands and warplanes and pirate-groups, each island a nation (like cuba, or the florida keys. etc.@@Buster-McTunder
@@kinagrill oh I know what you mean as to the world being different I meant like is it the same kinda TTRPG game mechanics
ahh then no. different type of system. a bit more simple but not bad.@@Buster-McTunder
@@kinagrill I’ll have to check it out
First stumbled upon diesel punk when i watched sky captain and the world of tomorrow as a kid. I very quickly jumped into 40k after that. Cold iron will always beat neon
was about to say, no movie has ever been more dieselpunk then the the way that movie makes you feel watching it. something surreal, heavy, military, and clearly fictional at the same time.
I love Steampunk due to it's aesthetics. In my stories Steampunks are the leaders in social and cultural advancement. They don't have the problems of cyber and diesel punk. But instead they live in harmony, almost like solar punk. Using the power of nature to supply their power and technology to bring folks together.
Steampunk is the defacto "quirky gimmick faction" in any fantasy game, plus its overrated as fuck, dont get me started on cyberpunk.
Yeah, Steampunk are going to be very great at eco friendliness and making advancements, but it’s things like Dieselpunk that are usually going to be at war with someone (or themselves) that will force them to create new technologies to fight more efficiently (in a sense, still a dramatic waste of resources). It’s like, Steampunk are the scientists during peacetime and Dieselpunk are the U.S. Marines strapping 6 75mm recoilless rifles to a tank and calling it a bunker buster.
@@Filther-13whats wrong with cyberpunk?
@@Filther-13so you hate it just because it’s popular?
Corny ahh comment
i thought i was watching a youtuber with atleast 100k subs crazy how underrated u are
It means a lot, and i wish but the game is to make stuff I wanna share, numbers ain’t everything
I noticed that too. Only 718 subs!? This video looks way too good to have less than at least 100k subs.
Finally, something about dieselpunk in general.
My guy do I have a book for you. It's called Leviathan and it is not only probably one of the best books I have read but it scratched the diesel punk itch like there is no tomorrow. There is a grand total of 3 books in the set and I was hooked from the moment I started the fist chapter.
YOOOO! I remember reading that series! It was totally awesome!
hell yeah! i didn't remember the name, but it's what immediately came to mind when i saw this video!
Ngl, I wish there were more dieselpunk games/media out there. The only Dieselpunk media that comes to my mind often is that funny comic about a group of red soldiers fighting an endless war against Blue, Yellow, and random mutants & bandits. Basically, the world is apocalyptic with a hint of Eldritch since in one of the comics, they seem to find "things" that are essentially Scps. But they don't care or they get killed, and the comic tends to move to another group of red soldiers constantly. Making us question "What happen to the previous red soldiers group?"
You unlocked such a memory rn. What was that comic called? I remember reading it like 14 years ago. Kinda reminds me of Girls Last Tour btw.
Its called Gone With The Blastwave
Man I hope you get 1k subs because you are definitely capable of making great content, well done and have a good one!
Here’s to hoping, might be a minute before the next video but locking in for something more substantial
I don’t think nootzies are indicative of Dieselpunk, as much as it is that WWII is the era in which the dieselpunk takes inspiration from. In the same way that Victorian England is not indicative of steampunk per se, but the most fitting and easy setting in which to introduce steampunk elements.
Personally I always prefer my dieselpunk to be a more WWI flavor than it’s sequel.
(misspelling to avoid TH-cam censors)
I think soviets are actually a better example of diesel punk aesthetic than the Nazis, they have that heavy torchcut and crude vibe to just about everything they made. Honeslty though anything WW1, interwar or WW2 era is prime diesel punk material but i feel the soviets capture the brutal heft the best
Either way, The bad guys ALWAYS got the best uniforms...No wonder we like them!
omg, hi again!
Probably the perfect example for for diesalpunk; run on war, based on oil, fascist overlords, is that of 1984. While I know it's a bit of a cliche at this point, it still perfectly fits the bill.
Looks like my searches finally caught up to me, working on a dieselpunk TTRPG.
Good video, and a great summary on dieselpunk
Just one small note to add:
Wh40k isnt diesel punk, oil and diesel are only rarely used, if ever, and the aesthetic is quite a bit different from other diesel punk worlds.
Also theres generally some sort of technological innovation in all punk genres, which isn't really a thing in 40k.
So im not entirely sure if wh40k fits within the diesel punk, or any punk genre in general.
Aside from that, great video
THANK YOU, I have been searching for this comment for 5 minutes and I totally think you are right, if that means.
Well, the imperium and orks are totally dieselpunk, and those two got innovations too (very slow but there they are)
Titles worth mentioning while at it:
Generation Zero: You're in Sweden and someone at Volvo misread the blueprints for 240 and started building death robots.
Iron Harvest: You're in central europe, it's 1920 and instead of tanks you have giant diesel-powered mechs.
High Fleet: Soviet-afghan war but every vechicle is just a pressurized methane tank with guns and rocket engines.
Heavily unerrated genre.
tell me you're biased without telling me you're biased
Buster:
I mean… yes? 😅
"Making the proud boys angry" dude youre stuck in 2019
Agreed, fuck Nazis but saying what he did is just cringe as fuck
Valid. But I saw a chance to do so and took it
@@Buster-McTunder
Cringe lib
@@devildolphin2102It looks like you're stuck in 2019 with him 😂
Seriously, "nazis?" Have you seen how the self-righteous "anti-fascists" have beaten, killed, and harassed people who disagreed with them? They gave a gay, Asian man brain bleeding.
I really like dieselpunk, but i also really like the aesthetics of the Half-life combine
What exactly is the difference between a punk genre and retro futurism ?
Punk can mean many things. If purely going on Aesthetic, Nasapunk and Retro Futurism are the same. But often Punk also means a rebellion against it, so say space pirates are antithetical “punk” of the regular NASA-inspired space tech. If that makes sense.
-In my experience and or interpretation of Punk and narrative themes.
dieselpunk is cool but i honestly prefer biopunk, i just love how gross it all is
This is also cool, I mean they’re all cool. Tyranids are dope
Despite its flaws i think that CoD Vanguard nailed the Dieselpunk aesthetics with its Gunsmithing, a shame the campaign couldn't keep up.
As a 40k fan hearing your take on the technological stagnation of the Imperium, it... I want to correct you... Ah, fuck it.
Not only did technology not advance much between the 31st Millennium and the 41st Millennium, it actually degraded. The people of the 31st Millennium were canonically more advanced than those of the 41st. This wasn't an accident on the writers' part, but rather, was a deliberate follow-up on the introduction into the setting, "Forget the power of science and technology, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned."
Now, you present the hypothesis that it's due to constant warfare preventing technological progress, but no. That's canonically, and even logically not the issue. In fact, under normal circumstances, it would likely see the development of even more advanced technologies. And besides, the vast landscapes of blasted wastelands and battlefields that we tend to imagine are actually... Not that common in the Imperium. Yes, warfare exists throughout, but rarely to the scale and devastation that conflict between the majour factions of the galaxy may cause on a given planet (in fact, such planets that deal with such conditions have their own unique classification under the Adeptus Administratum as War Worlds).
Rather, it's a deliberate stagnation caused by one of the factions within the Imperium. And while you made a close guess, it's not the Adeptus Ministorum/Ecclesiarchy (the primary religious institution within the Imperium) nor the Adeptus Astartes (the Space Marines). In fact, both factions are very keen on the idea of having better technology than they presently have. No, the real faction that causes the stagnation and prevents advancement is ironically the exact same one that makes the Imperium more advanced, maintains their technology, and introduces more advanced technologies on occasion; the Adeptus Mechanicus. They straight-up view invention and innovation as the most abhorrent sins imaginable, and they're the ones in charge of the Imperium's technology because no one else knows how to work, maintain, and repair it. They've banned such technological progress as heresies, and thus, the Imperium's only hope for technological advancement is through the discovery of STCs from the Golden Age of Technology, which admittedly, are actually really damn advanced.
Calling 40k dieselpunk is one hell of a stretch
Orks
@@NeperdoGaming Eldar, Skaven, Necron, Tyranids, and so much more. But sure, because a couple elements match the aesthetic, it defines the whole. Clearly.
Peak diesel punk is whatever the 40k Orks in happen to be doing at the moment.
funny, this video came up when I was drawing a dieselpunk armor set
It knows
This comment is underrated
Iron harvest RTS game is also dieselpunk
I think I’ve seen it, it looks like Sythe, right?
@@Buster-McTunderit is scythe, but under a different name
@@Buster-McTunder yes
@@Buster-McTunder what are your thought on the scrin from command and conquer and the zebesian from metroid series.
@@jamespaguip5913 I’ll be honest I’m not familiar with either of those
I think dieselpunk and atom punk sort of fit together. Like if you look at fallout the vehicles (including power armor) may be powered by nuclear engines, but the tanks and vertiberds are so tough and thick that they could easily fit into a diesel punk setting, same with power armour just if it had been powered by gas. Same with some of the weapons, like the one that just shoots junk, or the artillery that the minutemen use or even the prydwen.
What are your thoughts on whalepunk?
It's not really a genre though. The only example of it is the Dishonored series of games, which are a blend of several -punk genres, namely steam, diesel, ocean, tesla, and (in the sequels) solar.
I disagree with a lot of the settings you tried to put into Dieselpunk. The reasoning just seemed too narrow in scope.
The point was the demonstrate it can be as arbitrary or vague as anything; like you could call Cyborg a Cyberpunk character because…. Cyber even though the Teen Titans are certainly not Cyberpunk. Definitions (especially in this context) are totally arbitrary and subjective and up to the collective to come to a consensus on.
All the punks besides solar I can vibe with
Solars pretty cool and hopeful
Other Diesel Punk ideas/titles that could have been mentioned are "Sky Crawlers" series, "Valkyria Chronicles" series, "Last Exile" (though less diesel in these last 2, but they still follow the fossil fuel idea with a use of 1920's-1940's tech), High Fleet, Factorio, and the last one I got is Foxhole.
Dieselpunk is my favorite genre of punk, Steam and cyber kinda fight for 2nd depending on my mood but Diesel will always catch my heart
Warhammer 40K is a stretch for diesel punk unless you are talking about orks. Fucking batman isn't remotely diesel punk and your only rationale is that there are machines in it? It needs more than just a batmobike that doesn't really fit the aesthetic to count as diesel punk.
Warhammer 40k is the best of all fantasy.
Known about dieselpunk for a while, a book series called leviathan introduced it to me. Don't know if it holds up
I think theyre both amazing
Bit the image of a 75mm AT gun or a massive flak gun serving a dual purpose opening fire on Mecha is some of THE COOLEST things in Media
It's sad people boil cyberpunk down to aesthetics of its worst representatives. Unlike other "punks" it is an actual cultural movement with insanely talanted creators.
You like making The Proud Boys angry because you think they're nazis
I like making The Proud Boys angry because they're feds
We are not the same.
Also when Solarpunk/Lunarpunk video, luv me Lunarpunk
Only the feds could come up with a boys club that will beat you until you can name 5 breakfast cereals.
Brother. Your words are true. Great material. With one exception. DiselPunk is not better than other genres. It is equal to everything else. Popularity is not an advantage in this case.
I love this genre too, more than many others, but it's not any better.
It's like a box of crayons. You like the color black and use it the most, but it's still just one of many colors available in this box.
I suggest covering Biopunk, has even more interesting ideas.
Right of the start, wrong! NASApunk and Cassette Futurism are two different things.
NASApunk is sci-fi with the aesthetic of what we had in space in early XXIc till now. A mix of touch screens, analog controls, cables. Basically, how ISS looks today. So, Starfield, and all sci-fi movies, where our tech looks like it hasn't advanced much in the last XX years into the future it takes place.
Cassette Futurism, is sci-fi with the tech of 80s and early 90s. 100% analog, CRT screens, almost nothing is wireless, and if it is, it's the size of a suitcase. It's Alien, Blade Runner.
Dieselpunk is the equivalent of power metal lol
Personally I prefer biopunk. The idea of GMO technologies scratches my itch for body horror, transhumanism, parasites, and nature. It seems to me to be a perversion of “being one with nature”.
The Tyranids are a prime example of that as well as scorn. You could even consider the Imperium to have elements of biopunk with their extreme reliance on servitors and psykers.
I first encountered the idea when I was playing bioshock as a kid and got the ability to launch hornet swarms out of my arm.
In the Prophet reboot Sci-fi comic series, there’s a lot of GMO technology that are parasites that can heal people, act as a universal translator (like in Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy), living armor and weapons, and a bunch of minor stuff.
It's on the tamer side but Resident evil could also be biopunk. Or at least a prelude to one
Dieselpunk in my opinion is basically a remix of retro-futurism. Retro-futurism is like that sweet wholesome Christmas song you hear every now and then, and Dieselpunk is heavy metal remix of that song. It's industrial, it's grimy, it's lived in and it's badass! Raypunk is the EDM version of the metal remix of said Christmas song. Cyberpunk is just pure dubstep.
Thanks for this overview of dieselpunk (& some of the others--holy crap there are so many!) I would not have thought of Warhammer 40K as dieselpunk, but it kinda fits. What I like about dieselpunk mainly is that it seems more plausible than steampunk, which, unless you're talking about tanks, submarines and airships, just doesn't work. And I've seen too many steampunk fans who doll themselves up with *junk* that has no purpose, let alone function (like costume jewelry.🤮) Also, femfans who dress up in dieselpunk are way sexier than steampunk. Okay, NASApunk and atompunk are pretty cool, but, like HALO, they're based on undiscovered "science" and are pretty much just general SF of "could be." Dieselpunk is the past that *could have been.*
I actually want to see more Arcanepunk, sure you can say any fantasy world is arcanepunk but arcanepunk is rarely known.
Puting Warhammer into diselpunk is insane, considering majority of their generators and technology works on some form of plasma weapon. Premotheum is very used, but it is not their main resource
3:17 a 18ft long 20 wheel death machine
I'd personally argue you could have dieselpunk even without the presence of nazis. Iron Harvest lacks nazis but is pretty hard in dieselpunk territory.
I'd argue Dieselpunk, as I'd define it, contains the following:
1. Mass, almost dependent usage, on diesel machines. Often times the bigger the better but pragmatic design can also shine through.
2. Cynicism. The light of hope almost completely smothered by war, death, plague, smog, despair, society, and choking smoke. Where steampunk and solarpunk promise the raising up of humanity by the progress of technology, the dieselpunk story will show that same technological salvation bury mankind.
3. The weight of society and government crushing more and more individuality and freedom. While it's especially obvious in settings where an authoritarian regime is in charge the same exists for the liberal states too. Rationing, drafts, internment camps, suspension of elections due to wartime concerns, paranoia due to fear of spies. These measures were taken in the UK under Churchill with Clement Attlee's assistance. And even without war there's crime and corruption (see the LA Quartet to see how bad that can get)
Dieselpunk and Atompunk are my favorites. The technology is so cool looking
Got into Dieselpunk via Crimson Skies alternate history. Well worth checking out.
Dieselpunk isn't always about Naziism/fascism or "World War Weird." Film noir environments are also very dieselpunk. You brought up Batman, and Tim Burton's Batman, Batman: The Animated Series and the Batman: Arkham series (at least the first two) were heavily dieselpunk. BTAS even invented an entirely new subgenre they called "dark deco", which was basically a blend of art deco and film noir. (Bioshock also fits into this category, as a very dark story that blends noir and deco.). The Superman: The Animated Series cartoon shows what pure "Ottensian" dieselpunk, the "bright new tomorrow" of art deco skylines and unlimited progress, might looks like; as a pre-atomic golden age. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is also an excellent dieselpunk tale, that blends alternate history (in this world, Hitler never came to power) with the promise of progress and mad science.
(By the way, most dieselpunks don't really consider Mad Max to be dieselpunk, but more of a "post-apocalyptic punk" or "wasteland punk." Dieselpunk is not defined by "It has cars in it".)
Steampunk: Cogs, gears, airships, steam engine magic that makes everything works.
(BioShock series)
Cyberpunk: Dystopian near future, cybernetics, "high-tech, low-life", corporates
(Cyberpunk 2077, Deadlink)
Dieselpunk: WW1 - Interwar with technological advancements out of relative time with its time aesthetics.
War, mechs, super tech, politics.
(Iron Harvest, Scythe, Wolfenstein)
For me I think that there are in between periods for punk eras not mentioned much. Like how Teslapunk is the period between Steampunk and Dieselpunk as people move away from steam to electricity and the energy sources used to power electricity. Also, Steelpunk being an in between era between Atompunk and Cyberpunk as the war torn period and spycraft of the Atompunk era starts moving more toward the use of increasingly miniature and complicated electronics and equipment that will eventually lead to the hyper electronic based era of Cyberpunk.
Good examples of Teslapunk would be games like Close to the Sun, and Bioshock Infinite as both games use elements of Steampunk and Dieselpunk with a hefty use of electricity and similar elements of designs of the post Victorian Era and up to the first world war.
Good examples of Steelpunk would be movies like Robocop and the classic Terminator movies. Both have elements of Atompunk as there is some semblance of nuclear power being used still and it takes place in the late and post Cold War era. Also there are elements of Cyberpunk creeping in as both movies involve powerful mega corporations that have a high level of control and / or the ability to ruin the world, and there are increasing levels of things like computers, hacking, and early internet usage.
Doesn't dieselpunk lose its identity, if you are stretching it so far that when a "complex chunky machine", "Nazi's" or a "gas powered chainsaw" is existant, thus it is dieselpunk? You might see it as a plus, though I find that to be a minus as that sounds like it waters down the aesthetic and vibe.
Personally, I prefer cyberpunk (genre) for the message, the feeling, the realness it can have.
This does apply to basically any of the Punks, which is true. But that’s why I tried to make the point that these definitions are as arbitrary as we make them.
Dieselpunk doesn't have anything to do with Nazis or Fascism as a whole, just how Cyberpunk isnt inherently joined at the hip with Corporate overreach and loss of humanity those are just common themes that fit those aesthetics, which is all it is, and aesthetic that lends a certain feeling and instant familiarization with a world. Also Id have to disagree that 40k is dieselpunk as a whole, and even just the Imperium, though there are some elements that match, but its more just normal Sci-fi concepts with gothic and militaristic influences. And Indiana Jones is literally historical fiction...
Yeah the video author is kinda forcefully cramming fascism into his definition leading to stuff like calling Indiana Jones dieselpunk. Personal politics bleeding through.
@@bongwatercrocodile315 annoying but still pretty good
@@bongwatercrocodile315Well there aren’t any other totalizing ideologies that dominated the 20th century and shadow still plagues us today to talk about.
The USSR never happened and would probably not fit in with a state that dominates everything.
If you remove corporate overreach from cyberpunk your gonna have to replace it with another authority figure given punk in being a movement about rebellion needs something to be rebelling against. If you rip out all the punk elements you haven't made a cyberpunk story it's just normal sci-fi
The ...punk means social changes because of technology. In Cyberpunk its anarchocapitalism and in dieselpunk its mostly authoritarianism
Dr. Slump is the ultimate diesel punk, she runs on gasoline haha
Maybe a little biased, but I really like steampunk best. The machinery is elegant in design and function, can be just as much art as it is practical.
There's sense of optimism, the feeling you can do literally anything if only you can fashion the right machines to help you.
It's when tech still had the aura of man-made magic, before everything got chunky and drab as in dieselpunk, and we felt things could only get better and better.
Then things like the Titanic disaster and World War 1 happened, and it all came crashing down to earth.
Guess I'm a sucker for shiny brass and copper trim...
I do think there could be a bit more grime to steampunk, while the Victorian era high societ and fashion are mesmerizing and very nice it is also when the Industrial Revolution was occurring, when factories were becoming a big part of society but safety standards where not fully realized yet, child labor was a thing, and class divide
A lot of that is still with us today in the real world, and a lot nearer to home than most might realize.
I like to be a craftsman, to create, and in dieselpunk the creations always seem to be built in the service of war, and in cyberpunk the soulless mega-corps' bottom lines. Solar and nasa punk, everything is either from the Apple Store or from Radio Shack respectively, it has no soul and half the time you've no idea how it even works.
In steampunk, you build an intricate automaton to serve tea just because you can. You work with steam, and any steam engine is about as close as we've ever gotten to imbuing a machine with the breath of life itself.
Grit's there in steampunk, just ask any stoker or mechanician, but to my mind the harshness and grittyness can get depressing when it's overdone, to the point where it's misery porn ala Warhammer 40k lore (and I happen to like 40k, oddly enough. Just wouldn't wanna live there!).
So Cyberpunk phrase was coined in the 70s and later defined in the 80s to mean Cyber = Technology, Punk = Rebel or more precisely Counter Culture. I suspect as the genre is finally becoming more mainstream (been a fan since the beginning) and expanding the meaning is broadening. But lets not water it down to much. I tend to stick to the format of X + Counter Culture, if it doesn’t have that then it doesn’t really fit the SomethingPunk. Take Starfield = NasaPunk, this is inconsistent, Starfield is just Scifi or Space Opera, there is no counter culture in Starfield… but then this is all conjecture you call it what you want, it’s all subjective.
the Civilization Revolution music in the background caught me off guard...
Surprised Cimson Skies, Rocketeer, and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow were not mentioned
Man your making me want a new Crimson Skies so bad right now
So mad max is probably one of the best exemples of dieselpunk
The Outer Worlds is like, 6 different punks at once.
It's got strong NASAPunk vibes with all the space stuff, but there's also massive Fallout influence with the Atompunk, but most of the machine design is extremely DieselPunk, and the themes of the story are all extremely SteamPunk based on Victorian Era company town exploitation. Not to mention a pinch of Clockpunk and science-fantasy
Love the font in the thumbnail, can you share which one you used?
I believe it’s called “Jared” on the Pixlr suite
NASAPunk and AtomPunk are the two most recent and are generally locked to late 50s/early 60s for the latter and mid 60s to early 70s for the latter.
So uh...what's the punk for 70s and 80s era stuff? Cyberpunk and it's old equivalent Retrofuturist Dystopianism(doesn't have a fun name) both follow many of the CULTURAL aspects of the era(the latter is stuff like Soylent Green or Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep or GTA 2, the former is obvious...interestingly Bladerunner has been both), but they aren't based on the tech of the era. Just one is late 60s to early 80s culture and the other is mid 80s to late 90s culture. Mid 70s onward tech doesn't really have a punk in the way the decades prior do, the next tech based stuff is Cyberpunk picking up in the 90s, there's a tech gap between NASAPunk and Cyberpunk.
40K is not and never has been Dieselpunk! I can't even fathom how you can make that connection? Dieselpunk has always been aesthetically and timeline-wise based around the 30s to the 50s! 40k is set 40,000 years in the future with ancient unknowable technology beyond what we have today with warp magic and mad gods!! Nothing like Dieselpunk whatsoever!
EDIT: After you said Disney Cars was Dieselpunk I can't now tell if you're messing about or you fail to grasp what a punk genre is.
I was today years old when I first heard the term Dieselpunk. And I love it. Not sure I love it as much as I love Steampunk but I'll give it time.
I just feel like there’s not a lot Steampunk has going for it outside of aesthetic, but if that’s your jam all the more power to ya!
I also think that there are multiple definitions of Dieselpunk here. Buster is stating that Dieselpunk is dystopian while I read from the author of the TTRPG, Tomorrow City, that Dieselpunk blends the optimism of Steampunk and the cynicism of Cyberpunk. So take this video with a grain of salt.
On the basis of this video (and despite the dominant mode of power being the fusion reactor), I think you could make a good argument for Battletech as a dieselpunk setting.
As one working on a diesel akin to *Wolfenstein* and *Warhammer 40k*, I can attest that I feel like we’re living in some twisted parody of a dieselpunk world. Ă.Ă
Everyone ALWAYS talks about the Victorian Era influence on Steampunk, but no one EVER talks about the Edwardian Era, which is arguably far more influential on the genera.
Automobiles, Voice Communication, Electricity, Rigid Airships (as we know them), are all Edwardian Era
Dieslepunk is pretty dope
My vision of Dieselpunk is like Mad Max
I want something dieselpunk with cold war asthetics.
I have realised that the punks are just the image that certain eras had of the future. Cyberpunk is the 80' future, neon lights, lasers. vaporwave. Atompunk, the vision of the 50' and the 60'. Diselpunk, the vision of the 30' and the 40'.
I saw the title for a split second and thought it was a vid about dieselpatches
I mean the Aether CoD Zombies verse is mainly inspired by WW2 Conspiracy theories and Lovecraft
This does put a smile on my face
It's not. But nice try
Twisted Metal was the first game that came to mind for diesel punk
brother, gasoline being important in a world doesn't mean that world is Dieselpunk
Iron harvest is my favorite Diesel punk universe