I’ve never did the water break in with my Holmes motors or any motor. Just didn’t seem right. All of my Holmes motors are running strong even though all of the abuse. Absolutely love them.
Good info - makes sense that you wouldn't. How about when your motor gets full of dust, dirt, mud etc from crawling? Maybe a vid on best ways to clean a motor out? Cheers
I want some whistlin diesel motor torture tests. absolute limits of some motors. I did try water break in one time and noticed no difference, so I never did it again. awesome to hear why water break in is bad.
DUDE totally need the full version of this track on I TUNES or something! That could be the crawler anthem lol I would totally rock it over the scale audio system 🔉
I just run all my new brushed motors dry on 50% throttle for 15-20 minutes outside of chassis and they arc less on full throttle after this😊 👍 I think I have started doing this because saw some info about this (wet break in) procedure and, as almost always, it just sounds worth doing...). I decided to avoid water because of ball bearing in sealed can motors ☺️
Ruined a Traxxas 12t motor back 10+ years ago. Nobody told me distilled water(the hard water i used caked up lime on the brushes instantly). I did learn how to take apart, and re-assemble a sealed can motor. Even made a little tool that would hold the brushes out so it could slide back together. Back when i would waste 5 hours to save 20$....the good ol days of young and dumb.
A great video with nice music at the end . Yes 40 years ago I was involved with the New Zealand and Australian club rc racing world and we definitely played all kinds of tricks on sealed can motors. Thanks for posting another informative video.
So basically breaking in a motor is making sure that the brushes are properly bedded in. ie they conform to the shape of the comutator,for maximum contact therefore minimising losses and maximum current flow . This will show my age but when we used to rebuild generators or as you Americans called them dynamos on cars, we would run them up and apply a pumice stone to the comutator for a few seconds and then your brushes were "bed in ", made a huge difference to output and arcing on the com". Blow it with a bit of shop air , no water, no rust , put it straight to work.
I been threw like 3 brushed motors this summer. They only last like a week. Maybe 10 5500ah batteries. It's a t12 550 type. How long are they suppose to last?
I never did a water breakin with my rtr brushed motors. I ran rally cars at first I just drove them for 1 pack at 50% throttle, then it was off to the races. I have been brushless for the last 8 years. My TRX4 started off brushed but now has a Revolver w/ a Python X esc. The Revolver with a CC esc is the closet I've driven to the brushed experiance I had when the truck was new. I plan on buy a couple of your brushed motors for it and my other crawler. My plans for this year is to build a comp crawler based on the Vanquish Pro Carbon kit. I want a comp brushed setup for it.
Nope, never done a water break in... Just kept my motors dry and clean, and run them gently for an hour or two as the break in. But based on what your saying, I'm sure many motor manufacturers would love people to break them in via the water method - it's a way to move more product. LOL
Ive nvr purposely broke em in with water, but Im sure in the past Ive broke many a HH crawler motors in accidentally with water and mud lol...... Nowadays, I almost exclusively run brushless tho. Great video and song John 🎵 🎶 😂
serrated brushes, Ithink I spelled it right. still have a couple sets left from offroad racin , and a Trinity com lathe. Hey John, lets turn a com vid would blow some newbies minds !!
How do y'all break them in? I did the water method decades ago, but I just spin them up with no load at like 1/4 throttle for a few minutes and then blow them out nowadays. Where do babies come from? I've been looking for a stork carrying one to a new home my whole life, but I've yet to see one...
That's for the next video! You see, when a mommy stork loves a daddy stork, they go to the baby stork store and order one. Lead time is currently 10 to 12 weeks after that bridge collapse. Turns out Baltimore was a major hub for about half of the parts used to assemble them 🤦♂️
We race Tamiya m chassis at our local club , 21t sealed can, a coule of us ran them in water in reverse for 10 to 15mins at 3 volts then some comm oil drops on the brushes. Apparently the reverse break in can give you a slight timing advance.
Let me tell about the wet water break in myth For rc rock crawling it ain't no good Treat your motors right Don't torture in that wet mess They ain't fragile They're built to last I confess Just take for a spin Let them breath run wild These motors can handle it Built to last Oh yeah These motors are strong No need for wet water to break in That's been through long So treat them right Give them a good ride Holmes hobbies motors they'll be there by your side
I have a question that's not about this video. I just assume you'll see it sooner than if I asked on a year old video.. This is my thinking.. Trx4 high trail, I'm going to gear it down from stock to 9t pinion, 45t spur and both diffs are going to 10/35 ring and Pinion. I'm running a stock titan 21 turn 550. I'm eye balling your 27 turn brushed 550 can torque master. Will this give me more torque? Other than the re gearing? I know gearing, I don't know much about motors, one of your videos you say gear down and kv up. So does that mean I would get more torque from a 17 turn brushed motor? I'm using 8.4v NiMH battery. My trx4 k10 is a tow truck and it weighs 16 lbs. Tell me what you think. Speed is no my priority. Being able to tow and pull hard is what I'm after. So far stock has been just fine, but I am considering an upgrade. Please let me know, thank you.
Are you working on an ESC that is calibrated for 10 Poles? I've smoked 2 copperhead10s due to the 10 shooter getting stuck between poles. Motor starts chattering then esc goes up in smoke. Sensorless it's fine but cogs. HELP
I still do wet break in , I do motors for Traxxas Slash /Mudboss racing and there is a huge difference in performance , they only last about 6 races but they are way faster. I dont do straight water.
I did water breakin with my old clod motors about 10 years ago still running them still no rust they were cheap and probably use bushings instead of bearings so that might help some lol I figured it was more trouble than it was worth and didn't see any reason to keep doing it those motors spent a lot of time underwater in there lifetime lol no rust that I have ever seen and still goin
I respectfully disagree. Yes, HH does a dry break-in but it needs to be done right - using low voltage, at slow speed, with serrated brushes - and NOT in a vehicle. Breaking in a motor, while you drive it, leads to erratic voltage spikes (refardless of speed) and bouncing that causes pitting of the commutator and leads to inconsistent brush wear and reduces performance and longevity. It was true 35 years ago and it's true today. A water break-in is quick and easy and while racers might wear away a significant portion of the brush, crawlers only need to do a short 1-2 minute break-in to reap the benefits of this method. Yes, you need to carefully clean out the motor but once lubed, the oil will force out any liquid. I'd be much more concerned about dirt and dust that will become a gooey, abrasive mix, if left. Both methods, done incorrectly, can have damaging results. I think you're exaggerating the dangers of a water break-in but if you're adamant that a dry break-in is the way to go, then at least make a video showing the proper method. Despite disagreeing, I still thought it was a well done video and you brought up some good points. Always good to discuss different view points. And that song - hilarious 😂
The main problem that we've found is that most crawlers don't have experience rebuilding motors. Far more customers damaging the motor attempting water break in, as compared to damage from using a motor without fully seated brushes.
@@HolmesHobbies A lack of accurate info out there, for sure. I've even seen videos from well known content providers explaining that all that 'cloudy' water you're seeing is dirt being cleaned from the motor? Wtf! 🤦🏻♂️ No that dirt is your brush material being grinded away and your money going down the drain (literally)!
I prefer to oil bath each new motor is 80/90 gear lube with some limited slip, additive, it really improves traction, when you’re out crawling, even better if you just wipe the motor down after the oil bath, and install it right into the truck, performance is second to none at that point !!
so first off the petina you say a brushed motor needs reduces continuity a clean comm will not hurt the motor or less the life and a break i never believed in but it does make a difference when i ran the spec class the other night the one guy who broke his motor in was way faster than every one else noticeably so i think youre assesment is weak on break in mine was it does make a difference if done correctly but that racing you want ultimatly longer lasting yes run it with no break in you get full brush life me personally i dont belive in forty min breakins 5 to 10 min in the bath is broke in to me
I would never do a water break in,I don't break my motors in for my crawlers I have 8 crawl master pro motors,I just fitted them in the crawlers I was building and ran them I have never had any problems with any motor I also have 3 hw fusions have never ran them in either
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I’ve never did the water break in with my Holmes motors or any motor. Just didn’t seem right. All of my Holmes motors are running strong even though all of the abuse. Absolutely love them.
awe yeah!!!
Good info - makes sense that you wouldn't.
How about when your motor gets full of dust, dirt, mud etc from crawling? Maybe a vid on best ways to clean a motor out? Cheers
Great suggestion!
So glad I watched this video. I was just about ready to piss on all my motors. I'll zip it back up and go outside. 👍
OMG, that song at the end killed me lol
full album PLEASE AND THANK YOU
I want some whistlin diesel motor torture tests. absolute limits of some motors. I did try water break in one time and noticed no difference, so I never did it again. awesome to hear why water break in is bad.
DUDE totally need the full version of this track on I TUNES or something! That could be the crawler anthem lol I would totally rock it over the scale audio system 🔉
Always worth watching till the end. Especially for the songs 😃
I just run all my new brushed motors dry on 50% throttle for 15-20 minutes outside of chassis and they arc less on full throttle after this😊 👍 I think I have started doing this because saw some info about this (wet break in) procedure and, as almost always, it just sounds worth doing...). I decided to avoid water because of ball bearing in sealed can motors ☺️
The song at the end was genius lol... I would have clicked on x early😂
Best suggestion for brushed motor break-in is @ 6:17 👍🏽👍🏽… you’re awesome dude! BTW thank you for the bonus track “Built to Last”
It’s the song for me, no cap… it’s giving ✨✨frfr - John Holmes coming in with the rizz 🎉
Still waiting for my sealed 15 turn to die.... i feel like it will live longer than me at this point... why John? Why?
Omg the song was the cherry on top.
Ruined a Traxxas 12t motor back 10+ years ago. Nobody told me distilled water(the hard water i used caked up lime on the brushes instantly).
I did learn how to take apart, and re-assemble a sealed can motor. Even made a little tool that would hold the brushes out so it could slide back together.
Back when i would waste 5 hours to save 20$....the good ol days of young and dumb.
A great video with nice music at the end . Yes 40 years ago I was involved with the New Zealand and Australian club rc racing world and we definitely played all kinds of tricks on sealed can motors. Thanks for posting another informative video.
So basically breaking in a motor is making sure that the brushes are properly bedded in. ie they conform to the shape of the comutator,for maximum contact therefore minimising losses and maximum current flow .
This will show my age but when we used to rebuild generators or as you Americans called them dynamos on cars, we would run them up and apply a pumice stone to the comutator for a few seconds and then your brushes were "bed in ", made a huge difference to output and arcing on the com". Blow it with a bit of shop air , no water, no rust , put it straight to work.
I been threw like 3 brushed motors this summer. They only last like a week. Maybe 10 5500ah batteries. It's a t12 550 type. How long are they suppose to last?
How do I get this bonus track for my ringer
The song is classic gold. I mean it's all good, but the song...wow. 😁
My Holmes taters are doing great. One hell of a motor. Thank you!
taters!
Theme song…too funny! 🤙🏽
I never did a water breakin with my rtr brushed motors. I ran rally cars at first I just drove them for 1 pack at 50% throttle, then it was off to the races. I have been brushless for the last 8 years. My TRX4 started off brushed but now has a Revolver w/ a Python X esc. The Revolver with a CC esc is the closet I've driven to the brushed experiance I had when the truck was new. I plan on buy a couple of your brushed motors for it and my other crawler. My plans for this year is to build a comp crawler based on the Vanquish Pro Carbon kit. I want a comp brushed setup for it.
Love the song!!!!!
Nope, never done a water break in... Just kept my motors dry and clean, and run them gently for an hour or two as the break in. But based on what your saying, I'm sure many motor manufacturers would love people to break them in via the water method - it's a way to move more product. LOL
Trief it on my first trailmaster. Killed it basically instantly, never again. Bad info on the inter webs....
Ive nvr purposely broke em in with water, but Im sure in the past Ive broke many a HH crawler motors in accidentally with water and mud lol...... Nowadays, I almost exclusively run brushless tho. Great video and song John 🎵 🎶 😂
serrated brushes, Ithink I spelled it right. still have a couple sets left from offroad racin , and a Trinity com lathe. Hey John, lets turn a com vid would blow some newbies minds !!
I looked on the Holmes website and couldn’t find any 370 motors for 1/16 do y’all sell them?
Dude. Sweet.
HA! This channel is the best. Thanks man!
love the bonus track lol
Ever try Kerosene break in ?
Very affective 🔥
Great song!!! ❤
hahaha! awe yeah!
How do y'all break them in? I did the water method decades ago, but I just spin them up with no load at like 1/4 throttle for a few minutes and then blow them out nowadays. Where do babies come from? I've been looking for a stork carrying one to a new home my whole life, but I've yet to see one...
That's for the next video!
You see, when a mommy stork loves a daddy stork, they go to the baby stork store and order one. Lead time is currently 10 to 12 weeks after that bridge collapse. Turns out Baltimore was a major hub for about half of the parts used to assemble them 🤦♂️
We race Tamiya m chassis at our local club , 21t sealed can, a coule of us ran them in water in reverse for 10 to 15mins at 3 volts then some comm oil drops on the brushes. Apparently the reverse break in can give you a slight timing advance.
This channel is incredibly helpful. I learn something every time I watch. That song though! I laughed out loud! Was that AI generated?
Thanks for the info what lube do you recommend to relube bearings in a motor. Thanks 🤙🏼
Let me tell about the wet water break in myth
For rc rock crawling it ain't no good
Treat your motors right
Don't torture in that wet mess
They ain't fragile
They're built to last
I confess
Just take for a spin
Let them breath run wild
These motors can handle it
Built to last
Oh yeah
These motors are strong
No need for wet water to break in
That's been through long
So treat them right
Give them a good ride
Holmes hobbies motors they'll be there by your side
Sweet jam
Ive brought 100s of motors i put them in my rig and use them never had a problem even with holmes motors
Thanks!
I have a question that's not about this video. I just assume you'll see it sooner than if I asked on a year old video..
This is my thinking..
Trx4 high trail, I'm going to gear it down from stock to 9t pinion, 45t spur and both diffs are going to 10/35 ring and Pinion. I'm running a stock titan 21 turn 550. I'm eye balling your 27 turn brushed 550 can torque master. Will this give me more torque? Other than the re gearing? I know gearing, I don't know much about motors, one of your videos you say gear down and kv up. So does that mean I would get more torque from a 17 turn brushed motor? I'm using 8.4v NiMH battery. My trx4 k10 is a tow truck and it weighs 16 lbs. Tell me what you think. Speed is no my priority. Being able to tow and pull hard is what I'm after. So far stock has been just fine, but I am considering an upgrade. Please let me know, thank you.
Are you working on an ESC that is calibrated for 10 Poles? I've smoked 2 copperhead10s due to the 10 shooter getting stuck between poles. Motor starts chattering then esc goes up in smoke. Sensorless it's fine but cogs. HELP
Crawlmaster escs , we've had them for years
I still do wet break in , I do motors for Traxxas Slash /Mudboss racing and there is a huge difference in performance , they only last about 6 races but they are way faster. I dont do straight water.
Open brush motors tho I use a comm stick , I only do the 12T Traxxas motors in the water.
I did water breakin with my old clod motors about 10 years ago still running them still no rust they were cheap and probably use bushings instead of bearings so that might help some lol
I figured it was more trouble than it was worth and didn't see any reason to keep doing it
those motors spent a lot of time underwater in there lifetime lol no rust that I have ever seen and still goin
I respectfully disagree. Yes, HH does a dry break-in but it needs to be done
right - using low voltage, at slow speed, with serrated brushes - and NOT in a vehicle. Breaking in a motor, while you drive it, leads to erratic voltage spikes (refardless of speed) and bouncing that causes pitting of the commutator and leads to inconsistent brush wear and reduces performance and longevity. It was true 35 years ago and it's true today. A water break-in is quick and easy and while racers might wear away a significant portion of the brush, crawlers only need to do a short 1-2 minute break-in to reap the benefits of this method. Yes, you need to carefully clean out the motor but once lubed, the oil will force out any liquid. I'd be much more concerned about dirt and dust that will become a gooey, abrasive mix, if left. Both methods, done incorrectly, can have damaging results. I think you're exaggerating the dangers of a water break-in but if you're adamant that a dry break-in is the way to go, then at least make a video showing the proper method. Despite disagreeing, I still thought it was a well done video and you brought up some good points. Always good to discuss different view points. And that song - hilarious 😂
That's the next vid 😉
The main problem that we've found is that most crawlers don't have experience rebuilding motors. Far more customers damaging the motor attempting water break in, as compared to damage from using a motor without fully seated brushes.
@@HolmesHobbies A lack of accurate info out there, for sure. I've even seen videos from well known content providers explaining that all that 'cloudy' water you're seeing is dirt being cleaned from the motor? Wtf! 🤦🏻♂️ No that dirt is your brush material being grinded away and your money going down the drain (literally)!
I prefer to oil bath each new motor is 80/90 gear lube with some limited slip, additive, it really improves traction, when you’re out crawling, even better if you just wipe the motor down after the oil bath, and install it right into the truck, performance is second to none at that point !!
i use poo poo with sesame seeds, like pumice...
Myths big rc wants you to believe to destroy your motors faster
I pee on any motor that isn't a holmes hobbie motor.
I think you missed your true calling
so first off the petina you say a brushed motor needs reduces continuity a clean comm will not hurt the motor or less the life and a break i never believed in but it does make a difference when i ran the spec class the other night the one guy who broke his motor in was way faster than every one else noticeably so i think youre assesment is weak on break in mine was it does make a difference if done correctly but that racing you want ultimatly longer lasting yes run it with no break in you get full brush life me personally i dont belive in forty min breakins 5 to 10 min in the bath is broke in to me
I would never do a water break in,I don't break my motors in for my crawlers I have 8 crawl master pro motors,I just fitted them in the crawlers I was building and ran them I have never had any problems with any motor I also have 3 hw fusions have never ran them in either
I have not and will not use the water break-in method
smart!
I just drive em idc honestly all my stuff is so geared low I can’t see a benifit.
Thank goodness this is not my hobby, so boring.
Each to there own thought, right!!.
Then why are you even here?
Did you watch just so you could have something to complain about?
@ryurc3033 because sometimes you talk about batteries and I am interested in them.
I frequently click on knitting videos just to leave this same comment.