You ever notice things that run on firmware don’t last nearly as long? Weird how old products that don’t connect to the internet are still alive and kickin.
@@stevenm6301 not actually firmware being updated or changed, infact want to update that as few times as possible as a single bit flip could brick the device if it really was firmware. I know DJI says firmware and lot of people just go along with it, it’s actually the software runs ontop that’s screwing everyone over and being updated to screw us over even harder. the firmware is much lower level, think like your computer’s bios/UEFI system vs OS running on the computer.. when updating windows or Mac to new big update, you are not updating firmware, just software but get all those new things. same Applies here. what’s really being updated and changed here is the software/OS running ontop.
@@AECRADIO1 i dont see the issue with the location of the drone/ operator been known, dont do silly things and you wont get in trouble. heck here in australia fpv is basically illegal unless your at a club as we must keep visual line of sight so no goggles an basically within 400 meters (and there only in major cities) or indoors and out side you cant fly any drone over ANY private property without consent. id love to be in america with there regulations
The way to beat RID is to refuse to comply. This is a major security risk to those that have to comply due to 107 or who have to register their drone, but lawsuits are already in place regarding this issue and this rule has also seen the largest amount of feedback on FAA history (50k+ comments), and they don’t care.
yup. Peaceful protests because if no one does it then they know it's a bad law. They want you to be afraid of the fact that you can lose your license. Could you fight it in court. Of course you can and take it all the way to the supreme court. Also was the law implemented through the US Congress? If it was then yes you can get in trouble. If not then it's not a Constitutional law. Certain things are common sense and should be law but remote ID is almost like a test drive of a Remote ID for future cars.
well you should tell that to people who do stupid things like putting drones into the flight paths of manned aircraft for tiktok videos. this guy just broke at least a couple of trespassing laws by flying his drown over some one else's property let alone if the home own wants to press invasion of privacy charges( imagine banging Ms.Peter Massee in your back yard and this thing flying over your house). A simple google search and you find 100s of cases of peeping toms now using drowns to spy on women in apartment buildings Remote ID makes it easier to find and prosecute these individuals. These laws suits are likely to go no where. because 1 you do not have a constitutional right to purchase or fly a drone and two the FAA has complete jurisdiction and often given broad latitude to police and insure safety in US air space. Much like how people of a certain amendment get punished harshly for the stupidity and criminality of a few. We RC pilots and drone pilots are going to get nailed too.
P107 only "HAVE" to comply because of course that's how things are "written" I say, DO NOT COMPLY - even if you have a P107 they cannot "ticket/fine/imprison us all"!!!
Trouble is many of the new drones that are getting mandatory updates can't be flown with out it. I remember years ago when people had permission and clearance to do a paying 107 job and their dji wouldn't let them fly so they went and got their old 3DR and did the job
@@Riverrockphotos Look for a channel called Joshua Bardwell. He is a pretty good place to start if you are wanting to get into building your own drone.
I'm sure this update will have many folks up in arms. Thanks for showing us what exactly happens when you do this update. I don't have the Avata, so I don't have to deal with this, for now. Great video Ken, and thanks for sharing.
The more regulations they add, the more people will simply begin to ignore them. If you make doing something legally overcomplicated, they're just going to do it illegally (especially when there is essentially zero enforcement mechanism). And while you cannot go "backward" in terms of firmware, I would bet my last nickel that if DJI becomes too restrictive, there will eventually be jailbreaking apps developed by the developer community.
Bingo I was just thinking about this. There's so many restrictions in my area that I basically can't really fly anymore. I want to be on the right side of the law, but at a certain point you just naturally start looking for loopholes.
FAA regulations don't say it has to force a landing. It has to inform you that there was an error and then you are responsible for landing as soon as practicable. So what they are doing is exactly what the FAA told them to do.
DJI are not the ones wanting to force this on you. It's not like they want you to stop flying (that wouldn't be very smart of them would it?). I bet if they could they would never do this. Also keep in mind that this only happens in the US. The rest of the world is flying completely fine without the phone. Blame your FAA.
@@lordsinistra1473 As of now, from what I understand, you can fly in canada without remote id. and even if you couldn't my point still stands: This is DJI complying with country laws. It's not some "evil intentions" from DJI to make everyone start using phone and remote id when they fly.
Agreed. When people don't buy, then the big guys at companies with deep wallets get involved and fight the big fights because they want to stay in business. Honestly, I have no idea what the propensity is for having an FAA inspector stop and check whether your firmware is up to date but I suspect so long as someone isn't being a complete arse or violating other regs, it's pretty low. I'm also not sure but I suspect that they also need a warrant to demand access to your phone. Alternatively, claim ignorance. Though that is generally not an acceptable excuse for violating the law, when coupled with being cooperative and decent to the officer, it will almost always result in a warning rather than a citation.
Of course so they can sell it and make even more money. Anymore in the United States it's all about greed. Why do you think prices are so high Most of these companies just raised them because they could get away with it because nobody's doing anything about it.
@@spinninglink Don't let them have a monopoly, you would have competition that wasn't in bed with the feds if only you had a free market that would allow you to compete, oh wait... You do! Don't allow them this power over you. America is free country, you aren't children, & they aren't your mommy & daddy! If you want it to remain so I suggest you stop turning the other cheek. Do some research and make you own signature design. 3d print anything you can't order already made like motors, and you can outsource the programming easily to Asia. Advertising can be cheap especially if you get creative. A year from now you could have a marketable first model, be financially independent owning your own company making your own schedule, enjoying your hobby, and be making good money while doing it. (I've built several very successful businesses from scratch and it really is just that easy. Just don't sell your company to a shell of DJI on year 3 forgetting why you started your business in the first place.)
@@FlyingAce1016 what do you mean "forced"? do you have to plug in your phone and be connected to the Internet to fly your under 250g drone? If its not legally required I don't think so. Edit: I just confirmed and as I suspected you don't have to be connected to the Internet or phone on the drones under 250g. So nothing is really fleeing "forced" on you by DJI.
@@ChrisQuadFPV Dude, dont post this on a DJI space filled with drone operators. They don't need to know anything about multirotors. Let them stay in this space, where they belong. These are the guys who brought negative attention to this hobby in the first place. You want the corralled in this space where they can be watched.
My understanding is that the manufacture (DJI) was required to have Remote ID on the drone. Pilots (107 included) are not required to turn on and use Remote ID until September 2023 (or later pending lawsuits)... So PLEASE, this is INDEED DJI forcing Remote ID activation 10 months earlier than required.
I am convinced the game plan is to make these restrictions so harsh that only large companies and the government will be able to fly legally. My next drone will be a used drone purchased with cash and unregistered.
I'm guessing the FAA will use this to show non compliance and basically eliminate recreational use entirely. Either that or clamp down so much that basically you're only allowed to fly in your back yard or within say 50ft of the goggle position.
You're right the government is 2 steps ahead of the public on this one. They fully intend to make drone ownership so difficult you give up and surender your drone. But....If you really don't like it you should challenge the FAA on the grounds they are violating your 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms. The wars in Syria and now Ukraine have shown beyond any doubt drones are arms. The government is well aware of this and the rules they are trying to place on drone owners reflect it. FAA has even went so far as to sight "national security issues" as a justification for remote ID.... As arms your right to own and operate drones free of government registries, fees and or having to inform the government where you are is protected by the 2nd amendment. Both registration and remote ID clearly run a foul of Supreme Court precedent regarding arms.
Not even close. 😂 People have been flying fixed wings forever. You actually think "companies" are just going to up and try and kill the RC hobby? You think a company is actually going to help put themselves out of business? Because that's what would happen to DJI. Do you actually think the government will pick them to make drones for them? 😂 DJI has to conform with the new laws of the United States. Simple as that. They're not forcing remote ID on you, the government is. Where DJI was deceitful in all of this is how they sold a million units (don't know the real number) and didn't say anything, and then after people's return period was up they do this remote ID update. Almost like a bait and switch. I know if I had purchased the Avata and they did this crap and I couldn't return it, I would be livid. DJI knew the remote ID thing would change people's minds about buying the Avata and so they hid it until after 30 days, and that's where the deceit comes in. This other conspiracy theory you guys have come up with is nonsense though. For one, that wouldn't kill the hobby, it would just push people to DIY, so your theory just doesn't make sense in any aspect. Edit: My recommendation for a used drone is an Evo 2 pro. It was my first and will be my last consumer drone. I would buy one now though. The prices will go up once every other drone has remote ID and geofencing.
Interesting video. I am Part 107 certificated. I recently took the recurrent training. Why do you say that if I'm Part 107 certified I need to do this upgrade? In all my Part 107 courses I have never seen a requirement that I run the latest firmware. Now, as of September 2023 I understand that I must be RID compliant, but that has not happened yet. So, in the meantime, where is the requirement that I run the latest firmware and/or app? For me the question is academic. I've become a 90% Autel guy because of DJI's intrusive regulation. Although I still own a couple of older DJI drones and sometimes use them when I'm sure I won't run into problems. I paid a lot of money for them and I'd like to get some use out of them while I can. Definitely won't be buying any more though.
I asked the same and would like to know because I have never seen or heard anything about "HAVING" to stay up to date on the firmware in relation to P107!!! I think it's not true, and really doesn't make an sense even if it is! (flying in remote areas with NO cell/data [like where I live])
The latest firmware, makes it report to home base correctly, and using remote ID is required. It's that simple, and is forced on you regardless. As far as flying with no cell coverage, these use satellites so that's a mute point too, all your phone/tablet does is communicate directly with the drone, satellite connection sends your data to home base(China/FAA).
@@crashd1n3r GPS works by using triangulation metrics, connecting to multiple satellites and getting information back on exact coordinates. It's a 2 way street, always has been. If it was a one way street a compass would give you longitude and latitude coordinates based on your statement.
It's literally just complying with the laws, stop acting like they are persecuting you, god damn the drone community is such a bunch of whiny little kids! You all would never make it as real pilots
@@Thunderbyrd. yup, that is the "plan". The corporatists want corporate control of everything and if they get their way the only drones flying will belong to Amazon, Walmart, etc. The last thing these corporate entities want is an airspace crowded by civilian traffic because that would interfere with their revenue stream. Sure the FAA is looking out for air traffic issues, but in the end they are really just slowly clearing the airspace for corporations to get rid of human delivery of products and goods so they can maximize profit.....just think how many jobs would be eliminated with drone fleets performing delivery service, I know it sounds "conspiracy theory" but the legal obligation of a publicly traded company is to maximize shareholder profit, and the easiest and fastest way to do that is to eliminate human jobs.....and the easiest way to eliminate the millions of human delivery jobs is with automated drones, but drone delivery service would be hampered with civilian human air traffic clogging up the lower airspace.....the simplest fix there is to make drone flying difficult and cumbersome to the point that it's not fun and people would then stop doing it, freeing up the airspace for Amazon/etc to scale up their drone delivery service.
There are rules that make that very difficult as well. So either you break the rules like Ken did here, or you build your own drone and break the rules that way. :(
It's been a few months since I flown my Mavic 2 Zoom. I plugged the iPad in and controller and got a message that a firmware update is ready to be installed. Remembering what you said and immediately turned off the WIFI, never to turn it on again! I am going to fly it as long as I can until someone comes up with a patch to keep the Karen's out of my drone. I also got a message for me to download last year's flight records. I said NO to that also. I don't have any flight records. I delete them every time I quit flying. If I want to fly over a cow and see has a new calf it's my business.
I just literally ordered an Avata about 15 minutes ago... I wonder if it will come preloaded with this RID FW or the old one. I guess I'll find out when I get it... Great video as usual Ken, thank you!
mine came with really old fw, had to update cause my battery wasn't reading the percentage correctly. No other option to download other fw than with this rid crap.
Thanks for clearing this up, great video ken,I'm getting a mini 3pro, so I don't have to deal with this, but they'll probably change that in the future too.
the mini 3 pro got RID activated before the Avata did, if you dont find one that was in the store before the update released you’re wasting your time 🤷🏾♂️. Or learn to solder, its not difficult
I fly in remote places that are so faraway from people they do not have cell phone connections, So flying in a "Safe" area away from people, I can not use the drone do to no cell phone service.... Has anyone ever been out west? Get a few miles away from the freeway our out on a ranch etc. NO CELL PHONE SERVIE... Can you hear my now to this day is still BS in a lot of the western US.
I feel for you guys in the USA, we don't have RID in the UK yet! Although our CAA has just redefined VLOS in a ridiculous way, you now must be able to see which way your drone is facing which with a mini is only a few hundred feet away.
I build my own drones so this doesn't affect me. I actually feel for you guys in the UK. You can't even own an air rifle over 12 ft lb. When this hits the UK your regulations will be far worse and I think that sucks. The only reason other countries haven't done this yet is because the US took the lead and other countries will watch other countries work out all the bugs first and then they'll adopt it.
I agree I think we will get remote ID in the UK in 2026 when our transition period ends. This country is a total "nanny state" and is overregulating for problems that don't exist. Drone operation is one of the safest outdoor hobbies with zero deaths or aircraft collisions so far.
This is why I am sticking with older DJI drones, and Autel drones. Also, I only hook up my trusty old Mini 2 and Mavic 2 Pro to an old phone which has no data plan, and which has wifi turned off. I've turned of automatic updates, and with no internet connection, the drones are blissfully unaware that anything has changed in 2023.
I am terrible at taking tests, and I can NOT get this stuff in my brain. I thought I'd be ok just flying for fun, with no monetization. Now that all of this crap has started, I packed up all of my drones, and put them in the closet. There's no hope for me. I give up, you got me. To heck with all of it!
Can you test it indoors Ken? Ideally indoors somewhere you don't have GPS lock. Your phone has other ways of getting location information and I wonder if they will work.
I'm not a DJI fanboy, but yes I do own their products, and yes I do make money while using them. Everyone can piss and moan about DJI and remote-id, and buy some other product, but remote-id, is going to be a requirement for all new purchases. regardless of manufacturer. Remote id, to me, differs little from having a transponder in an airplane which is an FAA mandate for most of the airspace in the US. If you don't want to play, I'm not addressing you Ken, then don't don't fly or fly a simulator and shut up. The choices seem pretty simple. DJI's implementation right now, at least with theAavata, seems a bit crude, but I have to believe future releases with be a bit more refined, but who knows. Until then, ride your motorcycle without a helmet, don't wear a seat belt, drive with 1 headlight, make sure your tires are worn down to the steel, buy a smokin' diesel, make sure you're one toke over the line, drive drunk, and screw the speed limits, cause this is 'murica. Please give me a fn break.
My phone's GPS coordinates are at the local flying feild. I'm wondering if I should technically reclass my Avata as a home-built UAS with a broadcast module though. 🤔
happy new year ken. even i am raging here. lucky i didnt buy the avata and never will. but the fact that DJI doing the same shiat again is bad. now i worry that BS will come to normal O3 air units as well someday
Returned the Avata 1 week ago not because of remote ID but because of the annoying extra cable dangling around. Hopefully they will either introduce a new Avata or Goggles 2 with built in GPS.
@@JoeGator23 Most early adopters are beyond their return period. This is going to change a lot of people from being early adopters. Thankfully I had already learned my lesson years ago on that.
I stopped buying DJI stuff after having a Mavic Pro and after 4 or 5 years, they stopped making batteries for them. I have tried a few third party batteries that are compatible but the quality of them is really bad (stopped working with only a few flights over a several months). I want these things to last longer than 4 or 5 years. Without batteries, they are useless.
More injuries have been caused by bird strikes. Not drone strikes. FAA should require the birds to have remote ID. I stopped buying DJI products 2 years ago. And I have not updated my Phantoms FW in years. It still Flys. Now I build and fly mainly home built FPV quads.
Great idea, not to mention how DJI has been snooping on you whenever you owned and flew "your" DJI drones. Hopefully everyone will stop buying these spy bots and build their own.
The difference with bird strikes though is that birds cannot really be held accountable for not complying to safety. Unless you think that birds are as smart and informed as humans, about humans.. Super bad analogy.
@@Luggruff My point is, that there have been so few fatal accidents caused by drones (if any?) that the FAA is over regulating an activity that is not statistically unsafe. Their resources would be better spent on investing in bird strike avoidance technology. RID is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Some people reeeeally need to understand that DJI is not the one wanting to force this on you. It's not like they want you to stop flying their drones if you don't have a phone (that wouldn't be very smart of them would it?). I bet if they could they would never do this in the first place. There's is nothing good that they are getting out of this. Only being in compliance to be able to sell. Its either this or no market at all. And no market for you also means that you can't buy DJI even if you don't mind connecting the phone, so the choice is simple. Also keep in mind that this only happens in the US. The rest of the world is flying completely fine without the phone/connection. Blame your FAA.
Well, technically what you did in this video is fine ( assuming your visual observer was off camera ;) ) you can operate without remote ID until next September. However DJI can't sell any new drones without it baked in at this time. :(
Got an Avata for sale with three batts…only flown twice. It did it’s job.. got me into and sold on FPV and within those two flights I now own a fleet of real self built drones…who wants it?
My work uses iPhones. They gave me an iPhone 7 and the battery failed in 1.5 years. Now I have had an iPhone 11 for two years and it has lots of problems. I have to use speaker phone cause the earpiece is dicked and now lately my flashlight randomly turns on and off when I make a call. I'm typing this on my personal 5 year old $250 android lol
I am not well versed on the subject of drones, but how is that a thing that you are forced to update the firmware if you don't want to?? That doesn't sound like Freedom at all. What will they do? Throw you in jail if you do not update your firmware on your drone for Christ sake?? Is this the USSR now?
Good question. Like the dji fpv, to fly you don't need to use the fly app. So you'll never get prompts to update firmware unless you hook it up to your phone/fly app (like on a mavic), like when you initially set the drone up. They can't force you to update the firmware on the avata or fpv.
The real question is what does the reg consider "ready to fly out of the box" and how can manufacturers get around this? Does attaching the props count as not ready to fly? What about screwing on the arms or another piece of the body? Drones that aren't "ready to fly out of the box" are NOT currently subject to this reg from what I've heard
Happy New Year Ken. Don't you just love 'forced updates' that introduce over reaching restrictions to our 'toys'! 😲🤔⚠️😳 At least you can still fly your Avata a reasonable distance! Here in the UK the CAA have introduced a new restriction to VLOS, not only do we have to be able to have a visual on our drone at ALL times, we MUST be able to tell it's orientation visually, WITHOUT using the FPV camera view or nav lights or strobes etc Which effectively means you can fly your Avata around 30m at most⚠️😲😳
Wait for it, wait for it....soon DJI will be forced to limit your range via geo-fencing and you will not be able to fly more than 30m from your position!
@@AidanMacnamara777 That's the day when many owners like myself will drop DJI products like a red hot brick and they will go.down hill dramatically. I think.DJI know that and will resist actually going that far, we'll see....🤔
@@AidanMacnamara777 I think if they do, there will always be another manufacturer to step in and take up the slack... Parrot were doing quite well, almost leading the field at the time, with their Bebop, Bebop 2 and Anafi offerings, such a shame they pulled out of the consumer drone market! Autel are another brand who are capable.... Let's see what the next year brings?
Ken, remember what I said three months ago? th-cam.com/video/9nZfZbPzGlo/w-d-xo.html And don't blame DJI, they have no option here. It's comply or face sanctions for breaching the rule. From a user's perspective, it's still legal for you to disable one element of the RID by unplugging your smartphone but as of 16 Sept 2023, you are forbidden to do that. Right now the responsibility for compliance is on the manufacturer but in September the responsiblity falls on the operator's shoulders as the second part of the RID rule comes into effect.
Good video Ken. You probably are aware that per the RID Rule, Remote ID may not be turned off. So there will never be a switch (hardware or software) to turn RID off. Also, of possible interest: The VERTICAL location accuracy of the Ground Control Station (controller) is 15' which many phones achieve. 15' is the most stringent vertical location accuracy requirement of any vehicle by any civil aviation authority in the world. Dave Messina, FPV Freedom Coalition
Step 1) Avoid DJI products. Step 2) If you have a non-RID compliant drone, DO NOT update the firmware. Step 3) Put your phone/tablet in airplane mode before pairing it with the drone, so it flies on the old FW and doesn’t force an update. Step 4) Purchase a cheap add-on RID module. Step 5) Tape the RID module (discreetly) under the airline seat in front of you. Step 6) Have fun flying!
@@slapdat.byteme But I have the goggles and it doesn't have RID in them. Does the action cam have RID? I'm just being a smart-ass. 😂 Step 5 is the best idea I've seen yet.
… hmm, 15ft vertical location accuracy, so it would be interesting to hand launch from a hot air balloon. Or better yet, dig a big hole 21 feet deep near a cemetery and fly from the hole - the Karen’s or whoever that are using apps will freak out when it looks like someone “6 feet under” near a cemetery is flying a drone. 😝😝😝
I think I have the answer in the cell coverage. A few weeks ago, before the winter storms, I went flying at my local AMA chapter, because my country doesn't allow ANY drones on ANY open spaces. So I'm 8 miles or so out of town, in the plains, and my cell phone had no signal. I couldn't get my drone too fly more than about 30 feet altitude for more than about 200 feet diameter from my controller. It was lame.
I have been flying my drone for years. I also have been a private pilot for 40+ years. I became part 107 certified about 3 years ago but after 2 years I decided to not renew as it was a waste of time and money. I do not fly my drone for profit so see no reason to continue to be part 107 certified.
Sold all my Dji stuff because of it. Building my own now. Mine fly great anywhere any place. I have heard that Dji puts a timer in drones so they shut down at some point to force updates before they will fly again. They lost this customer. I have had probably a half dozen Dji drones. No more for me.
the FAA is a relatively small branch of the US federal government, they have much much more important and useful things to do than go and chase violators of what is an utterly useless and pointless regulation
This is one of the main reasons I just sold my Air 2S. Building my own drones going forward. Sad that it has had to come to this, as I like DJI drones.
Thanks Ken I just talked to dji customer service after this video asking for a full refund so upset finally got my controller 2 so I updated not knowing since it was winter wasnt flying. now I'm upset need my money back this isnt my drone its DJIs they will brick me if they want even if i paid almost 2 grand for this set up
I just updated firmware on "my" DJI FPV to see if that would resolve an issue where it became an uncontrollable missile just before landing. Now I've got this same problem and haven't been able to see if it still goes kamikaze 🤦🏻♂️
Just brings up more questions like the new remote controls for the Mini 3 and such will those have to be hooked up to a phone if you don't have Wi-Fi. People complain about Geo fencing and other things what's gonna happen to these other models that don't already have this to be compliant. It's funny that DJI goes way beyond All the other drone manufacturers and cooperates with the US government yet they're practically still on the ban list.
Yes, but I think manufacturers are required to sell drones that have it much sooner. So as a user, you’re not required until later. But manufacturers much sooner.
RID is currently an unpolished turd and by Sept 2023 it should then be a polished turd. Companies like DJI have known for a while compliance will be mandatory so back to a certain model they have been integrating the capability. That capability has since been "turned on" via firmware updates and it's now tminus 9 months to try and iron out all the hiccups/glitches/bugs to make it all work as intended, so essentially right now Ken is beta testing the functionality for DJI by flying his Avanta, as we all are.
Manufacturing requirements went into effect September 2022 / December 2022. Operator requirements go into effect September 2023. Remote ID has two parts and two different compliance dates, just to make it extra hard to understand what the heck is going on :)
Apparently you can still fly without cell coverage if you spam turn on motors when the drone boots up. The remote ID error comes when it finds enough GPS satelites so if you start the motors before you are suppose to be good. I have not tested this. Just saw a video on it.
Took my avata out the other day and after the update I had my phone plugged in and it still was telling me to plug in my phone 🙄 so frustrating. That's probably because I'm using the V2 headset. I only did it for the 10bit color.
You must comply with Remote ID! But we won't be checking or enforcing everyone to use it so...yup. Oh, my drone is sub 250 and doesn't need remote id. Sorry, I don't have a scale with me to prove it.
Just got one, watched the setup videos and my 100% takeaway was, "Why does DJI pronounce the drone name so awfully." The way you say it makes so much more sense.
I have a DJI Mini 2 and it's on 01.05.0000 and it's showing another update available. I havent seen anything about remote ID on this version I'm on. So I'm not sure if I should update further
FCC Rule 15: A. This device must not produce interference. B. This device must accept any and all interference it receives. IMO, this very much means that all FCC 15 Compliant devices can be remote hacked by the govt at their whim. This is why I've never been part of the drone community.
Another thing dji could do is not store all the damn files on my phone. 13gb of dji files. Slows the phone down and I’m sure it’s affecting dji avata performance. They definitely manipulate flights to cause crashes undoubtedly
Hmm, this makes me slightly hesitant to buy an Avata. I already have a Mini 2 which I have to use my phone, whatever, but if I have to use my phone for the Avata then maybe I won't buy it after all.
I doubt the phone needs cell service- the only reason you need to plug it in is so the drone now has the operator GPS position, and that is transmitted as part of the RemoteID packet. Unplugging it really doesn't change that position (unless you walk away, and let's face it you are not going to walk that far away from your original location.) This is DJI's only current means to properly abide by the FCC rules with the Avata.
Okay, the pertinent part of the FAA's "Why Do We Need Remote ID?" ".....groundwork needed for more complex drone operations." They are getting the airspace ready for commercial drone use. That's it. Nothing more. This has to do with where the money is at.
Being a casual flyer and I don’t really care about the 10 bit etc upgrades. I chose not to update. And actually because it never connects to the phone it will never know it has a firmware update and now I know it will never have remote ID! Sweeet! No more firmware updates for me!
G i Ken, What's next, unable to fly, to many delivery drones in the area ? I had a DJI Mini, but it stopped working and will cost more than a new one. Thanks, DJI. I build my own quads, and 90% are under the 250gm weight regulation, so I'm not planning to go take a test for I can fly a toy safely,
The app update does not work on my s23 ultra. I even tried to hook my old note 9 to the goggles with wifi outside and nothing. I have a mini, phantom 4, fpv, and an Inspire 1 with the Cendence remote. I think I'm just gonna get rid of them all and get more Nikon cameras and lenses.
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Products that enable these type of actions, are NOT products that we actually own.
You ever notice things that run on firmware don’t last nearly as long? Weird how old products that don’t connect to the internet are still alive and kickin.
Does the phone have to be a apple iPhone or android, or does it matter?
@@stevenm6301 not actually firmware being updated or changed, infact want to update that as few times as possible as a single bit flip could brick the device if it really was firmware. I know DJI says firmware and lot of people just go along with it, it’s actually the software runs ontop that’s screwing everyone over and being updated to screw us over even harder.
the firmware is much lower level, think like your computer’s bios/UEFI system vs OS running on the computer.. when updating windows or Mac to new big update, you are not updating firmware, just software but get all those new things. same Applies here. what’s really being updated and changed here is the software/OS running ontop.
@@stevenm6301 Huh? 🤔
@@Honeypot-x9s If people stop buying brands that need these updates, will other brands acclimate their products to reflect the customers needs?
DJI shows us that we do NOT own our drones. We lease them, they can brick it at any time.
Same with phones...
GOODBYE DJI!
same with any tech, phones, computers, some cars, etc
@@AECRADIO1 i dont see the issue with the location of the drone/ operator been known, dont do silly things and you wont get in trouble. heck here in australia fpv is basically illegal unless your at a club as we must keep visual line of sight so no goggles an basically within 400 meters (and there only in major cities) or indoors and out side you cant fly any drone over ANY private property without consent. id love to be in america with there regulations
@@john1182 if you have no phone signal, how do you propose to fly?
The way to beat RID is to refuse to comply. This is a major security risk to those that have to comply due to 107 or who have to register their drone, but lawsuits are already in place regarding this issue and this rule has also seen the largest amount of feedback on FAA history (50k+ comments), and they don’t care.
yup. Peaceful protests because if no one does it then they know it's a bad law. They want you to be afraid of the fact that you can lose your license. Could you fight it in court. Of course you can and take it all the way to the supreme court. Also was the law implemented through the US Congress? If it was then yes you can get in trouble. If not then it's not a Constitutional law. Certain things are common sense and should be law but remote ID is almost like a test drive of a Remote ID for future cars.
well you should tell that to people who do stupid things like putting drones into the flight paths of manned aircraft for tiktok videos. this guy just broke at least a couple of trespassing laws by flying his drown over some one else's property let alone if the home own wants to press invasion of privacy charges( imagine banging Ms.Peter Massee in your back yard and this thing flying over your house). A simple google search and you find 100s of cases of peeping toms now using drowns to spy on women in apartment buildings Remote ID makes it easier to find and prosecute these individuals. These laws suits are likely to go no where. because 1 you do not have a constitutional right to purchase or fly a drone and two the FAA has complete jurisdiction and often given broad latitude to police and insure safety in US air space. Much like how people of a certain amendment get punished harshly for the stupidity and criminality of a few. We RC pilots and drone pilots are going to get nailed too.
@@Joe-wk9ow yep. Its bs.
P107 only "HAVE" to comply because of course that's how things are "written"
I say, DO NOT COMPLY - even if you have a P107
they cannot "ticket/fine/imprison us all"!!!
Trouble is many of the new drones that are getting mandatory updates can't be flown with out it. I remember years ago when people had permission and clearance to do a paying 107 job and their dji wouldn't let them fly so they went and got their old 3DR and did the job
Building my own Drone and betaflight = the correct decision I never regretted.
This is the way. Stop buying DJI.
@@rhadiem No kidding.
Any info on how to do that?
@@Riverrockphotos Look for a channel called Joshua Bardwell. He is a pretty good place to start if you are wanting to get into building your own drone.
@@Riverrockphotos Google it.
I'm sure this update will have many folks up in arms. Thanks for showing us what exactly happens when you do this update. I don't have the Avata, so I don't have to deal with this, for now. Great video Ken, and thanks for sharing.
Might as well spit into the wind. You are just another CCP Product Pusher.
The more regulations they add, the more people will simply begin to ignore them. If you make doing something legally overcomplicated, they're just going to do it illegally (especially when there is essentially zero enforcement mechanism). And while you cannot go "backward" in terms of firmware, I would bet my last nickel that if DJI becomes too restrictive, there will eventually be jailbreaking apps developed by the developer community.
Good luck with that in Japan. Other places? Sure.
Bingo I was just thinking about this. There's so many restrictions in my area that I basically can't really fly anymore. I want to be on the right side of the law, but at a certain point you just naturally start looking for loopholes.
What are the odds that DJI later release a firmware that will make the drone force land when you unplug your phone.
FAA regulations don't say it has to force a landing. It has to inform you that there was an error and then you are responsible for landing as soon as practicable. So what they are doing is exactly what the FAA told them to do.
DJI are not the ones wanting to force this on you. It's not like they want you to stop flying (that wouldn't be very smart of them would it?). I bet if they could they would never do this.
Also keep in mind that this only happens in the US. The rest of the world is flying completely fine without the phone. Blame your FAA.
@@RottingAlien Canada Has entered the Lobby
@@lordsinistra1473 As of now, from what I understand, you can fly in canada without remote id. and even if you couldn't my point still stands: This is DJI complying with country laws. It's not some "evil intentions" from DJI to make everyone start using phone and remote id when they fly.
@@5zero7RC Gee, thanks. 🤦
You understand rules can change right?
The best way to fight stuff like this is with your wallet. All of these companies want access to your phone and private life it seems
Agreed. When people don't buy, then the big guys at companies with deep wallets get involved and fight the big fights because they want to stay in business. Honestly, I have no idea what the propensity is for having an FAA inspector stop and check whether your firmware is up to date but I suspect so long as someone isn't being a complete arse or violating other regs, it's pretty low. I'm also not sure but I suspect that they also need a warrant to demand access to your phone. Alternatively, claim ignorance. Though that is generally not an acceptable excuse for violating the law, when coupled with being cooperative and decent to the officer, it will almost always result in a warning rather than a citation.
i just wish there was another company that made drones half as good
Of course so they can sell it and make even more money. Anymore in the United States it's all about greed. Why do you think prices are so high Most of these companies just raised them because they could get away with it because nobody's doing anything about it.
@@spinninglink Don't let them have a monopoly, you would have competition that wasn't in bed with the feds if only you had a free market that would allow you to compete, oh wait... You do! Don't allow them this power over you. America is free country, you aren't children, & they aren't your mommy & daddy! If you want it to remain so I suggest you stop turning the other cheek.
Do some research and make you own signature design. 3d print anything you can't order already made like motors, and you can outsource the programming easily to Asia.
Advertising can be cheap especially if you get creative. A year from now you could have a marketable first model, be financially independent owning your own company making your own schedule, enjoying your hobby, and be making good money while doing it.
(I've built several very successful businesses from scratch and it really is just that easy. Just don't sell your company to a shell of DJI on year 3 forgetting why you started your business in the first place.)
@@spinninglink rotors riot, on TH-cam check the out
People getting mad at DJI need to remember this is a legal government requirement and not DJI
@@FlyingAce1016 what do you mean "forced"? do you have to plug in your phone and be connected to the Internet to fly your under 250g drone? If its not legally required I don't think so.
Edit: I just confirmed and as I suspected you don't have to be connected to the Internet or phone on the drones under 250g. So nothing is really fleeing "forced" on you by DJI.
Self build is the way to go. So company's that sell parts might be on the rise.
@@ChrisQuadFPV Dude, dont post this on a DJI space filled with drone operators. They don't need to know anything about multirotors. Let them stay in this space, where they belong. These are the guys who brought negative attention to this hobby in the first place. You want the corralled in this space where they can be watched.
My understanding is that the manufacture (DJI) was required to have Remote ID on the drone. Pilots (107 included) are not required to turn on and use Remote ID until September 2023 (or later pending lawsuits)... So PLEASE, this is INDEED DJI forcing Remote ID activation 10 months earlier than required.
Speeding is a government law.
When you do 61 in a 60 Chevy doesn't come take the wheels off your Malibu.
I am convinced the game plan is to make these restrictions so harsh that only large companies and the government will be able to fly legally. My next drone will be a used drone purchased with cash and unregistered.
I'm guessing the FAA will use this to show non compliance and basically eliminate recreational use entirely. Either that or clamp down so much that basically you're only allowed to fly in your back yard or within say 50ft of the goggle position.
That was the original plan, I think.
Great minds think alike. 👍🏼
You're right the government is 2 steps ahead of the public on this one. They fully intend to make drone ownership so difficult you give up and surender your drone. But....If you really don't like it you should challenge the FAA on the grounds they are violating your 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.
The wars in Syria and now Ukraine have shown beyond any doubt drones are arms. The government is well aware of this and the rules they are trying to place on drone owners reflect it. FAA has even went so far as to sight "national security issues" as a justification for remote ID....
As arms your right to own and operate drones free of government registries, fees and or having to inform the government where you are is protected by the 2nd amendment. Both registration and remote ID clearly run a foul of Supreme Court precedent regarding arms.
Not even close. 😂
People have been flying fixed wings forever. You actually think "companies" are just going to up and try and kill the RC hobby? You think a company is actually going to help put themselves out of business? Because that's what would happen to DJI. Do you actually think the government will pick them to make drones for them? 😂
DJI has to conform with the new laws of the United States. Simple as that. They're not forcing remote ID on you, the government is.
Where DJI was deceitful in all of this is how they sold a million units (don't know the real number) and didn't say anything, and then after people's return period was up they do this remote ID update. Almost like a bait and switch. I know if I had purchased the Avata and they did this crap and I couldn't return it, I would be livid.
DJI knew the remote ID thing would change people's minds about buying the Avata and so they hid it until after 30 days, and that's where the deceit comes in.
This other conspiracy theory you guys have come up with is nonsense though. For one, that wouldn't kill the hobby, it would just push people to DIY, so your theory just doesn't make sense in any aspect.
Edit:
My recommendation for a used drone is an Evo 2 pro. It was my first and will be my last consumer drone. I would buy one now though. The prices will go up once every other drone has remote ID and geofencing.
Ty sir. They demand your compliance, your obedience, your Guns, your organs, if you tissue type and anything else they want.
Interesting video. I am Part 107 certificated. I recently took the recurrent training. Why do you say that if I'm Part 107 certified I need to do this upgrade? In all my Part 107 courses I have never seen a requirement that I run the latest firmware. Now, as of September 2023 I understand that I must be RID compliant, but that has not happened yet. So, in the meantime, where is the requirement that I run the latest firmware and/or app?
For me the question is academic. I've become a 90% Autel guy because of DJI's intrusive regulation. Although I still own a couple of older DJI drones and sometimes use them when I'm sure I won't run into problems. I paid a lot of money for them and I'd like to get some use out of them while I can. Definitely won't be buying any more though.
You're a bit further down the path I'm on. A bunch of second hand DJI gear from marketplace, craigslist, etc. Saving for enterprise level from autel.
I asked the same and would like to know because I have never seen or heard anything about "HAVING" to stay up to date on the firmware in relation to P107!!!
I think it's not true, and really doesn't make an sense even if it is! (flying in remote areas with NO cell/data [like where I live])
The latest firmware, makes it report to home base correctly, and using remote ID is required. It's that simple, and is forced on you regardless. As far as flying with no cell coverage, these use satellites so that's a mute point too, all your phone/tablet does is communicate directly with the drone, satellite connection sends your data to home base(China/FAA).
@@nothanks611 incorrect. the GPS is one way communications only. They need a data connection to send anything.
@@crashd1n3r GPS works by using triangulation metrics, connecting to multiple satellites and getting information back on exact coordinates. It's a 2 way street, always has been. If it was a one way street a compass would give you longitude and latitude coordinates based on your statement.
i was about to spend thousands on new DJI equipment, thanks for the redirect!
Flying drones used to be fun. It's become a painful job and I just can't anymore...
It's literally just complying with the laws, stop acting like they are persecuting you, god damn the drone community is such a bunch of whiny little kids! You all would never make it as real pilots
Yes, I've slowed way down. Just doesn't feel as fun any more. Maybe that is their plan, idk.
@@Thunderbyrd. yup, that is the "plan". The corporatists want corporate control of everything and if they get their way the only drones flying will belong to Amazon, Walmart, etc. The last thing these corporate entities want is an airspace crowded by civilian traffic because that would interfere with their revenue stream. Sure the FAA is looking out for air traffic issues, but in the end they are really just slowly clearing the airspace for corporations to get rid of human delivery of products and goods so they can maximize profit.....just think how many jobs would be eliminated with drone fleets performing delivery service, I know it sounds "conspiracy theory" but the legal obligation of a publicly traded company is to maximize shareholder profit, and the easiest and fastest way to do that is to eliminate human jobs.....and the easiest way to eliminate the millions of human delivery jobs is with automated drones, but drone delivery service would be hampered with civilian human air traffic clogging up the lower airspace.....the simplest fix there is to make drone flying difficult and cumbersome to the point that it's not fun and people would then stop doing it, freeing up the airspace for Amazon/etc to scale up their drone delivery service.
@@Thunderbyrd. Big business wants to take over drone space.
I still fly, but using older tech that doesn't have all this tracking nonsense in it, I have loads of fun 😊
I was literally days away from buying a DJI kit for upwards of $1500.
I’d had these suspicions, but this seals the deal.
No purchase.
Of course the other option is build your own drone which Im sure will see an increase with this
There are rules that make that very difficult as well. So either you break the rules like Ken did here, or you build your own drone and break the rules that way. :(
As someone shopping for their first fpv, this has disqualified dji.
I’m so glad I learned to build drones myself.
That doesn’t matter lol you are still liable under CFR 107 rules. If caught you are still liable for fines and penalties.
It's been a few months since I flown my Mavic 2 Zoom. I plugged the iPad in and controller and got a message that a firmware update is ready to be installed.
Remembering what you said and immediately turned off the WIFI, never to turn it on again!
I am going to fly it as long as I can until someone comes up with a patch to keep the Karen's out of my drone.
I also got a message for me to download last year's flight records. I said NO to that also. I don't have any flight records.
I delete them every time I quit flying. If I want to fly over a cow and see has a new calf it's my business.
I just literally ordered an Avata about 15 minutes ago... I wonder if it will come preloaded with this RID FW or the old one. I guess I'll find out when I get it... Great video as usual Ken, thank you!
mine came with really old fw, had to update cause my battery wasn't reading the percentage correctly. No other option to download other fw than with this rid crap.
@@rubengarciajr7560 Good to know, thx. Other than that , have you had any other issues?
you can't use/pair it without updating it to last available version, it's part of the first start process
Been dragging my feet to update. I was excited that the Goggles2 would be back compat, but reluctant to update the other fpv's for that.
Thanks for clearing this up, great video ken,I'm getting a mini 3pro, so I don't have to deal with this, but they'll probably change that in the future too.
the mini 3 pro got RID activated before the Avata did, if you dont find one that was in the store before the update released you’re wasting your time 🤷🏾♂️. Or learn to solder, its not difficult
@@edwindavidson6285 Do you mean un-solder?
I fly in remote places that are so faraway from people they do not have cell phone connections, So flying in a "Safe" area away from people, I can not use the drone do to no cell phone service.... Has anyone ever been out west? Get a few miles away from the freeway our out on a ranch etc. NO CELL PHONE SERVIE... Can you hear my now to this day is still BS in a lot of the western US.
I chose a GREAT time to switch from DJI to a real 5" quad. They just had to mess it up I guess.🏴☠
What if you dont have a phone? Is DJI going to buy me a new phone so I can fly my drone?
Don't worry the next version you won't need your phone to blast out your location I'm certain. But who has a DJI anything and not a smart phone?
I feel for you guys in the USA, we don't have RID in the UK yet! Although our CAA has just redefined VLOS in a ridiculous way, you now must be able to see which way your drone is facing which with a mini is only a few hundred feet away.
thats....insane.
Dependent upon WHO's Eyesight ability?
At least they get more than 25mW🤨
I build my own drones so this doesn't affect me.
I actually feel for you guys in the UK. You can't even own an air rifle over 12 ft lb.
When this hits the UK your regulations will be far worse and I think that sucks.
The only reason other countries haven't done this yet is because the US took the lead and other countries will watch other countries work out all the bugs first and then they'll adopt it.
I agree I think we will get remote ID in the UK in 2026 when our transition period ends. This country is a total "nanny state" and is overregulating for problems that don't exist. Drone operation is one of the safest outdoor hobbies with zero deaths or aircraft collisions so far.
This is why I am sticking with older DJI drones, and Autel drones. Also, I only hook up my trusty old Mini 2 and Mavic 2 Pro to an old phone which has no data plan, and which has wifi turned off. I've turned of automatic updates, and with no internet connection, the drones are blissfully unaware that anything has changed in 2023.
I am terrible at taking tests, and I can NOT get this stuff in my brain. I thought I'd be ok just flying for fun, with no monetization. Now that all of this crap has started, I packed up all of my drones, and put them in the closet. There's no hope for me. I give up, you got me. To heck with all of it!
I got some Hanes underwear for Christmas, and I had to update the firmwear on them. Damn, they want to see what you've got!
They don't say Hanes until the firmware says they say Hanes.
Can you test it indoors Ken? Ideally indoors somewhere you don't have GPS lock. Your phone has other ways of getting location information and I wonder if they will work.
Good idea.
Thanks bud!
How do you set it for a under 250g drone
@@DaytonaJim78 standard RemoteID is not required for sub 250.
@@JoshuaBardwell Really wish this drone was sub-250. That's the best legal path forward imo.
In recent updates iphones still are able to use GPS positional data even if your phone is out of cell signal and wifi-
Whoa! Although I've been subscribed for years, TH-cam hasn't shown me one of your vids in AGES. Good to see you again!
Welcome back!🤓
Welcome to the modern day world, where extra steps get added to complicate everything 🙄🙈
In the meantime Ken, wishing you a great 2023!
I'm not a DJI fanboy, but yes I do own their products, and yes I do make money while using them. Everyone can piss and moan about DJI and remote-id, and buy some other product, but remote-id, is going to be a requirement for all new purchases. regardless of manufacturer. Remote id, to me, differs little from having a transponder in an airplane which is an FAA mandate for most of the airspace in the US. If you don't want to play, I'm not addressing you Ken, then don't don't fly or fly a simulator and shut up. The choices seem pretty simple. DJI's implementation right now, at least with theAavata, seems a bit crude, but I have to believe future releases with be a bit more refined, but who knows. Until then, ride your motorcycle without a helmet, don't wear a seat belt, drive with 1 headlight, make sure your tires are worn down to the steel, buy a smokin' diesel, make sure you're one toke over the line, drive drunk, and screw the speed limits, cause this is 'murica. Please give me a fn break.
So I’m guessing you need to hook it to your phone with Internet connection so that if you are flying illegally they can catch you or at least log it.
If you have no phone service in an area you're working in, I guess you're not working there?
I assume it needs the GPS location of the phone so it can use that data in the Remote ID broadcast. That should not require any internet access.
My phone's GPS coordinates are at the local flying feild. I'm wondering if I should technically reclass my Avata as a home-built UAS with a broadcast module though. 🤔
happy new year ken. even i am raging here. lucky i didnt buy the avata and never will. but the fact that DJI doing the same shiat again is bad. now i worry that BS will come to normal O3 air units as well someday
Hey I'm considering the O3. Will you comment back if you receive a forced update for RID?
@@johnchurch2321 i will but highly doubt they will do that.
Returned the Avata 1 week ago not because of remote ID but because of the annoying extra cable dangling around. Hopefully they will either introduce a new Avata or Goggles 2 with built in GPS.
Should have just hacked it and rolled the firmware back
I’m truly starting to regret my DJI purchase of the version two goggles
Refund then ASAP.
@@JoeGator23 Most early adopters are beyond their return period.
This is going to change a lot of people from being early adopters. Thankfully I had already learned my lesson years ago on that.
@@dangerous8333 Pre orders are garbo!!
I stopped buying DJI stuff after having a Mavic Pro and after 4 or 5 years, they stopped making batteries for them. I have tried a few third party batteries that are compatible but the quality of them is really bad (stopped working with only a few flights over a several months). I want these things to last longer than 4 or 5 years. Without batteries, they are useless.
I believe you can flash to previous version firmware with drone hacks flashing tool.
Hi Ken 99 percent of the people I know that fly just going be a Rebel but fly reasonably safe allways
Peaceful resistance :)
Maybe we need an episode on how to liquidate our drone assets? Because maybe it's over.
More injuries have been caused by bird strikes. Not drone strikes. FAA should require the birds to have remote ID. I stopped buying DJI products 2 years ago. And I have not updated my Phantoms FW in years. It still Flys. Now I build and fly mainly home built FPV quads.
Great idea, not to mention how DJI has been snooping on you whenever you owned and flew "your" DJI drones.
Hopefully everyone will stop buying these spy bots and build their own.
The difference with bird strikes though is that birds cannot really be held accountable for not complying to safety. Unless you think that birds are as smart and informed as humans, about humans.. Super bad analogy.
@@Luggruff My point is, that there have been so few fatal accidents caused by drones (if any?) that the FAA is over regulating an activity that is not statistically unsafe. Their resources would be better spent on investing in bird strike avoidance technology. RID is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Some people reeeeally need to understand that DJI is not the one wanting to force this on you. It's not like they want you to stop flying their drones if you don't have a phone (that wouldn't be very smart of them would it?). I bet if they could they would never do this in the first place. There's is nothing good that they are getting out of this. Only being in compliance to be able to sell. Its either this or no market at all. And no market for you also means that you can't buy DJI even if you don't mind connecting the phone, so the choice is simple.
Also keep in mind that this only happens in the US. The rest of the world is flying completely fine without the phone/connection. Blame your FAA.
Well, technically what you did in this video is fine ( assuming your visual observer was off camera ;) ) you can operate without remote ID until next September. However DJI can't sell any new drones without it baked in at this time. :(
Got an Avata for sale with three batts…only flown twice. It did it’s job.. got me into and sold on FPV and within those two flights I now own a fleet of real self built drones…who wants it?
Im interested .......
Most long time Apple users know to never update firmware until all bugs are worked out. In this case bugs are probably permanent.
Just be aware all your 'Apple items' are assembled by slave labor in China.
My work uses iPhones. They gave me an iPhone 7 and the battery failed in 1.5 years. Now I have had an iPhone 11 for two years and it has lots of problems. I have to use speaker phone cause the earpiece is dicked and now lately my flashlight randomly turns on and off when I make a call. I'm typing this on my personal 5 year old $250 android lol
“Bugs”..in ANYTHING, are NEVER completely gone! Seriously? We’re talking about ‘tech’ here..HIGH tech.
In this case it's permanent 'cause "it's not a bug it's an undocumented feature."
That's exactly why I never updated anything on my Mavic Gen I since I cracked the box over 3 years ago.......
Sent you a friend request to "that place", flycaster...
Hey Ken, I think some voodoo head is hijacking your channel. Got a request from "you" to reach out via discord.........
I am not well versed on the subject of drones, but how is that a thing that you are forced to update the firmware if you don't want to?? That doesn't sound like Freedom at all. What will they do? Throw you in jail if you do not update your firmware on your drone for Christ sake?? Is this the USSR now?
Good question. Like the dji fpv, to fly you don't need to use the fly app. So you'll never get prompts to update firmware unless you hook it up to your phone/fly app (like on a mavic), like when you initially set the drone up. They can't force you to update the firmware on the avata or fpv.
The real question is what does the reg consider "ready to fly out of the box" and how can manufacturers get around this? Does attaching the props count as not ready to fly? What about screwing on the arms or another piece of the body? Drones that aren't "ready to fly out of the box" are NOT currently subject to this reg from what I've heard
Happy New Year Ken.
Don't you just love 'forced updates' that introduce over reaching restrictions to our 'toys'! 😲🤔⚠️😳
At least you can still fly your Avata a reasonable distance!
Here in the UK the CAA have introduced a new restriction to VLOS, not only do we have to be able to have a visual on our drone at ALL times, we MUST be able to tell it's orientation visually, WITHOUT using the FPV camera view or nav lights or strobes etc
Which effectively means you can fly your Avata around 30m at most⚠️😲😳
Wait for it, wait for it....soon DJI will be forced to limit your range via geo-fencing and you will not be able to fly more than 30m from your position!
@@AidanMacnamara777 That's the day when many owners like myself will drop DJI products like a red hot brick and they will go.down hill dramatically.
I think.DJI know that and will resist actually going that far, we'll see....🤔
@@pdtech4524 I think they are already on the slipper slope and it is all downhill from here
@@AidanMacnamara777 I think if they do, there will always be another manufacturer to step in and take up the slack...
Parrot were doing quite well, almost leading the field at the time, with their Bebop, Bebop 2 and Anafi offerings, such a shame they pulled out of the consumer drone market!
Autel are another brand who are capable....
Let's see what the next year brings?
We just gotta break the law all the time xD
Ken, remember what I said three months ago? th-cam.com/video/9nZfZbPzGlo/w-d-xo.html
And don't blame DJI, they have no option here. It's comply or face sanctions for breaching the rule.
From a user's perspective, it's still legal for you to disable one element of the RID by unplugging your smartphone but as of 16 Sept 2023, you are forbidden to do that. Right now the responsibility for compliance is on the manufacturer but in September the responsiblity falls on the operator's shoulders as the second part of the RID rule comes into effect.
I do remember.
This video is for new owners who may not be aware.
Thanks for fighting the fight!
Good video Ken. You probably are aware that per the RID Rule, Remote ID may not be turned off. So there will never be a switch (hardware or software) to turn RID off. Also, of possible interest: The VERTICAL location accuracy of the Ground Control Station (controller) is 15' which many phones achieve. 15' is the most stringent vertical location accuracy requirement of any vehicle by any civil aviation authority in the world. Dave Messina, FPV Freedom Coalition
Step 1) Avoid DJI products. Step 2) If you have a non-RID compliant drone, DO NOT update the firmware. Step 3) Put your phone/tablet in airplane mode before pairing it with the drone, so it flies on the old FW and doesn’t force an update. Step 4) Purchase a cheap add-on RID module. Step 5) Tape the RID module (discreetly) under the airline seat in front of you. Step 6) Have fun flying!
@@slapdat.byteme 🤣🤣🤣
@@slapdat.byteme But I have the goggles and it doesn't have RID in them. Does the action cam have RID?
I'm just being a smart-ass. 😂
Step 5 is the best idea I've seen yet.
… hmm, 15ft vertical location accuracy, so it would be interesting to hand launch from a hot air balloon. Or better yet, dig a big hole 21 feet deep near a cemetery and fly from the hole - the Karen’s or whoever that are using apps will freak out when it looks like someone “6 feet under” near a cemetery is flying a drone. 😝😝😝
So the DJI system uses the phone to broadcast data, where the Remote ID modules broadcast data directly?
GoPro did something similar years ago when they required Internet access to use the app. They quickly changed that idiotic requirement.
its ridiculous how the drone rules keep getting worse and worse and i think they will prob get worse yet
But they aren't. 😂
It's the same rules that we knew have been coming for years now. They're just finally being implemented.
@@dangerous8333 ya until they are implemented and then they start restricting them even more
I think I have the answer in the cell coverage. A few weeks ago, before the winter storms, I went flying at my local AMA chapter, because my country doesn't allow ANY drones on ANY open spaces.
So I'm 8 miles or so out of town, in the plains, and my cell phone had no signal. I couldn't get my drone too fly more than about 30 feet altitude for more than about 200 feet diameter from my controller. It was lame.
Dang. If your phone fails and you land somewhere, your drone is stuck there? That's rough.
I have been flying my drone for years. I also have been a private pilot for 40+ years. I became part 107 certified about 3 years ago but after 2 years I decided to not renew as it was a waste of time and money. I do not fly my drone for profit so see no reason to continue to be part 107 certified.
Sold all my Dji stuff because of it. Building my own now. Mine fly great anywhere any place. I have heard that Dji puts a timer in drones so they shut down at some point to force updates before they will fly again. They lost this customer. I have had probably a half dozen Dji drones. No more for me.
the FAA is a relatively small branch of the US federal government, they have much much more important and useful things to do than go and chase violators of what is an utterly useless and pointless regulation
Thats some big brother shit right there. New folks, do yourself a favor and build your own. Happy new year Ken, thanks for sharing this.
This is one of the main reasons I just sold my Air 2S. Building my own drones going forward. Sad that it has had to come to this, as I like DJI drones.
It applies to home built drones as well
@@checkeredflagfilms I can choose to leave the tracking unit off of homebuilt drones. Just because it is a law does not make it just.
What are some other drone manufacturers that are equivalent to the ease of flying with DJI?
Autel Robotics... I have a Lite + Awesome and just as easy to fly, no geozones on an Autel! Fly where you want.
gotta read that fine print, I saw RID and said no thank you 😂 I’m perfectly fine WITHOUT 10 bit color and 30 fps 😂
Ken if you leave the phone plugged up but in airplane mode on will it work then
My days of drone flying, are just about over...
Thanks Ken I just talked to dji customer service after this video asking for a full refund so upset finally got my controller 2 so I updated not knowing since it was winter wasnt flying. now I'm upset need my money back this isnt my drone its DJIs they will brick me if they want even if i paid almost 2 grand for this set up
I just updated firmware on "my" DJI FPV to see if that would resolve an issue where it became an uncontrollable missile just before landing. Now I've got this same problem and haven't been able to see if it still goes kamikaze 🤦🏻♂️
It is bigger than this Ken, people like Horizon Hobby and Rotor Riot along with all the hobby store mainstays need to be complying with RID as well.
Just brings up more questions like the new remote controls for the Mini 3 and such will those have to be hooked up to a phone if you don't have Wi-Fi. People complain about Geo fencing and other things what's gonna happen to these other models that don't already have this to be compliant. It's funny that DJI goes way beyond All the other drone manufacturers and cooperates with the US government yet they're practically still on the ban list.
Isn't remote ID compliance not required until September 2023?
Yes, but I think manufacturers are required to sell drones that have it much sooner. So as a user, you’re not required until later. But manufacturers much sooner.
RID is currently an unpolished turd and by Sept 2023 it should then be a polished turd. Companies like DJI have known for a while compliance will be mandatory so back to a certain model they have been integrating the capability. That capability has since been "turned on" via firmware updates and it's now tminus 9 months to try and iron out all the hiccups/glitches/bugs to make it all work as intended, so essentially right now Ken is beta testing the functionality for DJI by flying his Avanta, as we all are.
Manufacturing requirements went into effect September 2022 / December 2022. Operator requirements go into effect September 2023. Remote ID has two parts and two different compliance dates, just to make it extra hard to understand what the heck is going on :)
I knew this was coming...
My last consumer drone that I'll ever own is my Evo 2 pro.
DIY forever.
Apparently you can still fly without cell coverage if you spam turn on motors when the drone boots up. The remote ID error comes when it finds enough GPS satelites so if you start the motors before you are suppose to be good. I have not tested this. Just saw a video on it.
Took my avata out the other day and after the update I had my phone plugged in and it still was telling me to plug in my phone 🙄 so frustrating. That's probably because I'm using the V2 headset. I only did it for the 10bit color.
I updated but im in Australia and we don't have issues with the remote id. I'm sure its all on its way though!
You must comply with Remote ID! But we won't be checking or enforcing everyone to use it so...yup. Oh, my drone is sub 250 and doesn't need remote id. Sorry, I don't have a scale with me to prove it.
Just got one, watched the setup videos and my 100% takeaway was, "Why does DJI pronounce the drone name so awfully." The way you say it makes so much more sense.
I have a DJI Mini 2 and it's on 01.05.0000 and it's showing another update available. I havent seen anything about remote ID on this version I'm on. So I'm not sure if I should update further
I wouldn't. I stopped updating firmware on my dji drones a while ago once I heard of remote id.
"No thru traffic"
GIT OFF MY LAWN!!!!
HAAA! 😃
That's my landlord's sign.
what about butter? can it be used to roll back the firmware?
Yes.
Yes it can.
FCC Rule 15:
A. This device must not produce interference.
B. This device must accept any and all interference it receives.
IMO, this very much means that all FCC 15 Compliant devices can be remote hacked by the govt at their whim.
This is why I've never been part of the drone community.
Another thing dji could do is not store all the damn files on my phone. 13gb of dji files. Slows the phone down and I’m sure it’s affecting dji avata performance. They definitely manipulate flights to cause crashes undoubtedly
Hmm, this makes me slightly hesitant to buy an Avata. I already have a Mini 2 which I have to use my phone, whatever, but if I have to use my phone for the Avata then maybe I won't buy it after all.
I can confirm it will still fly without cell service. I discovered this same thing by accident when my screen timed out in my pocket.
Cool. Yeah I believe all you need is a GPS connection to pacify it.
Thank you for this heads up. I am just a hobby flyer with the carry form. You are the best.
I doubt the phone needs cell service- the only reason you need to plug it in is so the drone now has the operator GPS position, and that is transmitted as part of the RemoteID packet. Unplugging it really doesn't change that position (unless you walk away, and let's face it you are not going to walk that far away from your original location.) This is DJI's only current means to properly abide by the FCC rules with the Avata.
Correct. GPS
Okay, the pertinent part of the FAA's "Why Do We Need Remote ID?"
".....groundwork needed for more complex drone operations."
They are getting the airspace ready for commercial drone use. That's it. Nothing more. This has to do with where the money is at.
Good work around! I am burdless but I hope to get something someday!
👍
Well, thats all I needed to hear. Won’t be buying a new Dji drone.
Hi Ken try to deactivate the cell connection to see if remote ID still works
Don't need cell connection, only GPS
Being a casual flyer and I don’t really care about the 10 bit etc upgrades. I chose not to update. And actually because it never connects to the phone it will never know it has a firmware update and now I know it will never have remote ID! Sweeet! No more firmware updates for me!
Yea.. I refuse to update.
Still using a phone with no service to interface with DJI equipment for this
Makes me want to get outside and fly. I'll wait til my mini 3 can't fly anymore to update.
G i Ken, What's next, unable to fly, to many delivery drones in the area ? I had a DJI Mini, but it stopped working and will cost more than a new one. Thanks, DJI. I build my own quads, and 90% are under the 250gm weight regulation, so I'm not planning to go take a test for I can fly a toy safely,
That’s exactly why I still fly the original parrot bebop
Here in Pilot Mountain NC most people have not heard of part 107 and are most likely using drones for commercial purposes.
Yep. I lost an Opportunity to capture my track days.
Great video and very informative. Are there any open source drone plans or kits out there?
I refuse to purchase DJI anymore. I have a Mini 2 and the Air 2S.... I think I will sell these if I still can.
All the manufacturers have to do this. DJI is just the big one so we hear about them more.
....and the market for cracks gets larger..
The app update does not work on my s23 ultra. I even tried to hook my old note 9 to the goggles with wifi outside and nothing. I have a mini, phantom 4, fpv, and an Inspire 1 with the Cendence remote. I think I'm just gonna get rid of them all and get more Nikon cameras and lenses.