@@Pogobro the DLC can be a prequel or a sequel depending on how far in main story the player decides to do it so this is really up to the player. it isn't canalogically a prequel or a sequel because that part is up to the player.
It seems pretty clear to me that the DLC was designed to take place whenever you beat it. You beat the devil and then played the DLC? Congrats, Chalice’s adventure takes place after the main game. You beat one mausoleum and then went on an adventure to save Chalice’s soul and then beat the devil? Congrats, that’s the order it takes place. If the newspaperboy and the story’s disconnectedness is anything to go by, the developers clearly wanted to make the DLC’s placement in the timeline work wherever it laid out for YOU while playing it. This is exactly why a lot of old Cuphead players (who are beating the DLC long after the main game) feel like it’s a sequel, and why many of the new players feel that it a sidequest: it’s literally DESIGNED to slide in wherever you play it, and that means the devs did a good job at making the new content flexible.
The main reason I say sequel is because, why would the brother’s go to another island when they have one day to get all the souls of the main game, and if they don’t they die? Why waste time instead of do it later. I personally believe the dlc is the end of cuphead (the game) because of that line in the key ingredient’s, but I can see both ways of it being before and after the end of the base game
It's a sequel, because if you remember in the main game whenever you go to a mausoleum Miss challiss acts like she's never seen you before and thanks you as you two are unknown Heroes who save her from the ghost. However in the delicious last course, you seen their interaction that they're talking like they've known each other AKA through the events of the main game. The timeline is the Netflix show is before the main game the main game is after and then the DLC is the last part.
@CreepCalamity It can't take place after, because characters like Ribby and Croaks don't recognize them in the show, even though they supposedly voided them from debt. It can't take place before, because they dont recognize miss chalice and miss chalice doesn't recognize them. It can't take place during, as miss chalice has her body.
@CreepCalamity Therefore the show's story doesn't have correlation to the main game, therefore making it like the FNaF books are to the games: they can give gameplay/lore clues (or foreshadow things that will be included in the game), making it not canon to the game's storyline
You see the 1932 if it isn’t installed yet, go to the ticket when it’s not installed and it says leaving for dlc isle 1932 or something along those lines
Another thing to mention is that after beating the base game at the end of the credits King dice says "that's all there is, there isn't any more...or is there" but he says nothing during the credits of the DLC. Just a little thing I noticed
I am pretty sure this DLC takes place after the main game. But that doesn't mean it is the ending. I assume they meant Delicious Last Course like the dessert in a meal. But with the show running, I am sure they will make a cuphead 2. It isn't "the end" just the end for now.
Maja Moldenhauer practically confirmed they’re moving away from Cuphead, at least for their future game project. They do intend on keeping the hand-drawn stylings, though. I might be misinterpreting though: you can quickly find the interview around here
I say sequel due to the "debts are paid" line in the song. Yes it can refer to saltbaker and his community service. However, the term "debts" in cuphead is very well associated with the soul contracts and the Debtors. With how well detailed the game is the writers would certainly acknowledge that correlation, and the decision to make "debts" instead refer to saltbakers community service, which would at no other point be referred to as "debts", would be odd to say the least.
I would give some attention towards the ending of the base game, as one clue towards the D.L.C being a sequel that you missed in the video. The final slide has the text "As an all-day celebration began, the brothers promised to never wander into trouble again. And they didn't - until the next time, of course! But that is another story..." Now that may either hint at a sequel, or to the D.L.C, as that is certainly the brothers(and Chalice) wandering into trouble again, and we're certainly being told another story in the D.L.C. I'd say that makes it very obvious where it is supposed to be canonically.
thats a great point. "And they didn't - until the next time, of course! But that is another story..." this line is a pretty stereo typical story book ending line, but its a great thing to point out
@@Pogobro Also important to acknowledge that Cuphead loves word play, just look at the climbers side quest needed to unlock the secret boss. I couldn’t help but notice the use of the phrase says “until the next time, of COURSE.” Then, next time, we got… the Delicious Last COURSE. I think there’s plenty of things that point to this simply being a sequel
There's honestly plenty of material to explore if they ever did make Cuphead 2. Judging from the statues of cups, plates, and dinnerware in Rugged Ridge, and the shield with the term Calix Animi, which means Soul Cup, Rugged Ridge was once some sort of Cup themed kingdom that was brought to ruin somehow, and Cuphead and Mugman seem to be the reincarnations of its guardians. Chalice appears to be some sort of goddess by her statue's appearance. There's a LOT of hidden lore they stuck in here. Why is any of this here? What happened to this kingdom? There's a massive amount of questions that could make for a great sequel.
I honestly think all of these events can (and do) happen at around the same time, and they can happen in any order depending on how the player individually goes about the game.
I for sure think it’s a sequel. One of my (less logical) reasons is because of the song mentioned in the video *Now the debts are paid, the pastries are baked* This might sound stupid but I originally thought of the bolded line as “they already paid their debts to the devil, now they’re collecting ingredients for a pastry”. (But it does make sense if it’s referring to saltbaker) Plus like he said canonically Cuphead and Mugman had till midnight to collect all of the soul contracts or else they’d like…die. So I feel like they wouldn’t stop to bake along the way. Also cuphead and mugman sort of acted like legendary chalice was their friend, which would make more sense at the end of the game cause they ran into her way more times. (Plus if it was a prequel, why wasn’t she like…trapped in another mausoleum?) One more thing to consider is the end credits of the main game where the voice goes "That's all there is...There isn't any more...Or is there?". Which I think is hinting to a sequel, the dlc.
Something else to note is that chalice appears in the bad ending of the base game if you give up your soul at the end I think there just isn’t a set timeline for what happens and it depends on how you play the game but the fact that it shows 1934 in the end credits of the dlc does make this a bit confusing and inconsistent if that’s the case
the DLC takes place two years later. on the DLC screen before you purchase it, there’s a passport that says June 30, 1932. I have an Xbox screenshot as proof if you’d like to see.
The thing about The Devil's skeleton is, According to the main story, we're the first to have ever seen the devil's transformation, since we're the first people who fought and defeated him, meaning that the secret fight couldn't take place in the past, because Cuphead didn't know about the devil's skeleton at that time, which means that this was either a dream that took place after the devil is defeated, or a fight with the devil in the astral plane, although we know he isn't dead so, that's not possible! What this means is that the dream most likely takes place after the devil fight, adding onto the proof that this is a sequel! Or this is just a game with no lore because it's based around 1930's cartoons, where literally anything can happen!
I like to think that there is no “one time” that the DLC takes place. It just takes place whenever the player encounters it. The main reason is because the newspaper boy’s dialogue changes depending on how far you are in the main game. You can’t really make a timeline for an open ended game like Cuphead. It’s like trying to figure out the “canonical” order in which Cuphead and Mugman fought the game’s bosses. Ooh, did the cups fight the Root Pack or Goopy le Grande first? There is no answer, because the player can fight them in whatever order they want! Just like how they can access the DLC whenever they want.
I always considered the DLC to be another episode of a 1920~1930's cartoon. Theres no plots, the characters don't learn a lesson, everything just resets at the end of the day.
When I first had the fight with saltbaker, I immediately went "This is no longer Fleischer... this is Disney". If there will be a continuation of a tried and true animation style of the past, they will move forward a good notch to an era in animation where you had beutiful animation such as the Old Disney, like fantasia and whatnot, but contrasting with limited animation such as Hannah Barbera and even Old Anime. I honestly think, budget wise this is a feasible idea for a Cuphead sequel where you are bringing the historical clash of animations from different eras, and then end it with Computer 3D animated boss fight. Would be an amazing ode to animation history in general.
I think that the dlc has no cannon timeline. It takes place whenever you go there during the game. Like how how paperboy says different things depending on where you are in the game. Also somewhat unrelated but I also think the Cuphead show is still in the cannon timeline and it takes place before the game so that's why ms chalice knows you
I’d definitely say that the Delicious Last Course is a sequel as the boys already have their powers, powers they only received from Elder Kettle’s potion after getting in trouble with the Devil. I’d also say that the Cuphead show is an alternate universe with Chalice having no problem with her form, Elder Kettle being incredibly blind without his glasses, the boys having no powers etc
On the topic of a "Cuphead 2", as much as I want that to happen, I don't think we'll be getting one (at least not for a long time). Studio MDHR has been vague on what's next from them, responding to interviews with something along the lines of "we having nothing to announce at this time, but we will continue to use hand-drawn animation." I think they might try some new ideas separate from Cuphead, perhaps in different animations styles (could be interesting to see something in an later 40s style or an UPA style), but I think the D.L.C. is the last we'll be seeing of Cuphead outside of the Netflix show and merchandise for awhile.
I just think it takes place during the events of the main game as something you can take part in. Although slightly after the events so I quess I'm on team Sequel. Ps: Also due to the fact that the boys already have to start there quest to unlock the dlc and I wouldn't think they would pause the current adventure to go with some guy with a boat but after they still see him after they beat the devil they figure they should go.
I believe that the DLC takes place when you played it. If you went through the DLC before defeating the devil, then it takes place there. If you went through it after defeating the devil, then the same is true. It's like how you can choose some bosses to do before others and vice versa.
What I'm thinking is that the dlc is taken place whenever the player decides to go to the island. You can just go in the island anytime you want, just as long as you beated the Musullium. And no, the devil is not dead, the boss battle can just prove that he's not dead, it's just his skeleton.
It's easy to tell that this is a sequel because miss chalicenow knows the two and doesn't refer to them as unknown hero's and the devil's dead body in the grave is just obvious and you also go into this with all your abilitys whilst prequels strip you of your previous abilities so I don't know what is so confusing
I can’t blame you about being confused about Inkwell Hell not being a place you could boat to, but take notice that there are no forms of water that lead from the ocean to the inside of the cave that is Inkwell Hell.
I would say my reasoning for having the dlc coming after would be that If I remember correctly, The Devil said something about them having one day to get all the souls to him, and I don't think if they were on a time limit like that they would just hop over to a new isle that has no souls for them to get
My problem with this is why didn't Cuphead and mugman get community service too, I mean they were the ones who fought the residents of inkwell 4 so wouldn't they also be held somewhat accountable if it was in they were just some nobodies who came on to that island rather than heroes who beat the devil
It’s actually take place in 1934 , the proof is shown when judge Wise Owl is sentencing chef Saltbaker to community service on the upper left corner of the paper where the judge is holding , you can see it’s clearly says 1934 . So in conclusion it’s actually 4 year after cuphead and mugman defeated the devil
The problem with your assertion that Ms. Chalice exists out of time is that Cuphead and Mugman DON'T, but they still recognize Ms. Chalice when the DLC begins implying they've met.
Yeah but that doesnt mean ms chalice couldnt show up from any point. It just means that they for sure met her at a mausoleum before going to the dlc island.
The answer is simple: it's an old cartoon, there IS no continuity, things are mentioned from previous adventures and things are reused from different places, but even characters that get crushed to pieces come back the next episode like nothing ever even happened.
I think it's a curse from the Devil. The Devil has condemned everyone to live in a time loop, and that's why Cuphead and Mugman can fight every boss as many times as they want. So the time is broken, we can also get a clue of this in the loading screen of the Angel and Demon who were created by the Devil.
The dlc’s timeline placement depends on if you play it before beating the devil or after, as the news boy’s dialogue depends on your game state. So because of this it depends on when the player chooses to play the dlc to put it on the timeline
Honestly, the delicious course is active on a new file if you beat Mausoleum 1. So it’s probably just a little fun side island, confused on the Devil being dead tho.
Here's one more thing that confounds the year issue; if you look at the small plaque on Chef Saltbaker's table in the first phase of "A Dish to Die For", it reads as follows: SALTBAKER GENT Canada, '38 I'm guessing that the DLC folder stating a date of departure for 1932 is a reference to the fact that this DLC was supposed to come out 2 years after the original game did (which ended up not happening for various reasons). The question's sort of a wash anyway, since Studio MDHR's stance on it since promoting the game in the month leading up to it's release is that it's both a quest that can take place simultaneously or after the base game, and numerous interviews state that the DLC is more of a 'final farewell' and a 'cool sendoff' to the game of Cuphead (until a sequel happens in like...the 2040s or something).
I've been watching a lot of Cuphead content recently and I noticed that in the dice house, (where you get from isle to isle in the main game), there is a black board in the background with I, II, III, IV and V on it. This may be hinting to the Isles and if so where is the fifth isle? It could be counting ink well hell but I doubt it as that isn't listed as isle four or five.
I personally believe that the DLC not only takes place after the events of the base game but is also the grand finale to Cuphead. I base this belief off of the book titled "The Art of Cuphead," released on March 17, 2020. In that book, there is a section at the end that gave a sneak peek of "The Delicious Last Course." On page 257, it describes how they came up with the idea for the DLC. It says that they came up with so many new ideas after they finished the base game that they "approached the team and proposed the idea of taking another trip together to the Inkwell Isles for one more grand adventure." This seems to imply that the DLC is the grand finale to Cuphead and there will therefore be no sequel. The book then goes on to say on the same page, "With their quest to defeat The Devil and save their souls already complete, we knew the prospect of going on another journey together was the perfect opportunity to introduce a third playable character." This seems to prove that the DLC does indeed take place after the events of the base game. That being said, this book was published while the DLC was still being worked on, so their plans to make it take place after the events of the base game and have it be the grand finale to Cuphead could have changed since then. However, there has been nothing officially said by them that would lead me to believe that anything has changed, which is why I believe what I do.
I would say that the biggest reason for a sequel is that the trio knows their name but in the base game you only learn her name after the second mouseleum. With that fact in its either in the story of the main game or after it.
I would say at the very least the DLC takes place during or after the events of the main game. The only reason you even have the Peashooter is because Grandpa Kettle gave it to the boys after hearing about their debts to the Devil.
Theory: If you beat the secret Devil and Angel boss, they get sucked into the Devil's skeleton, what I think that means is that when that happens, the Devil is automatically healed once more and is able to be stronger than ever, because you see the Angel is begging very much.
It’s obviously a sequel. The Devil gave them until midnight of the next day to bring him all the souls. Unless they did a speedrun of the DLC I doubt they’d be wasting time helping someone else
The question is more if the dlc takes place before or after deafening the devil, seeing as you have to beat one mausoleum to play it, but honestly I think the timeline for it is fluid and the dlc is intended to take place anytime during the first game seeing as the boatman is on all the isles and because the cat has dialogue for different situations, depending if you’ve beating certain bosses or not
I think it just takes place whenever you as the player play it. It would be weird if you completed a bunch of bosses from the base game, got on the boat to Inkwell Isle 4 and then it's like "oh yeah, this took place before everything you just did", even though you got on the boat after all that. The newspaper boy shouting your base game progress seals it for me.
it's very clear to me that studio mdhr just isn't focused on in depth lore with cuphead. they have a basic backbone of a story so that nothing feels out of place and everything has some sort of cohesion, but they are more focused on just making a fun gameplay experience. plus, not having a timeline with set continuity might just be one of the many nods to old age cartoons, which were usually just one offs and not part of a greater story.
The simple answer is that the dlc isn’t a sequel or a prequel. It completely depends on the player and when they complete the dlc I like to think of it as a really big side quest.
I heard that the secret boss was supposed to a phase of the Devil fight but was scrapped I think that it was going to be after the first phase because of the Devil's skeleton in the background and I think that those spirit versions of the boss getting pulled into the eye sockets was to transition to the next phase where the Devil is huge
Well, Cuphead and his pal Mugman Their new friend chalice too By chance, they stopped into a bake shop Mischief was on the menu Now the debts are paid, the pastries are bake There is one thing left to say WHERES SEASON TWO TO THE CUPHEAD SHOW
I think it's obvious that it's the sequel . You mentioned how the newspaper boy gives the coins whether or whether not you beat the game. However in the end he still mentions how we beat the devil like a week ago. (I think it was a week I don't remember exactly) Technically this is one of the biggest pieces of evidence. Think of it like a book. Let's say you've read the first book out of a series and when the second one was released you read it too. You have a friend who hasn't read any of the books. Even though they haven't read the first book, you give them the second book to read. The second book is going to continue the story from the first book. Whether you read the first book or not the story still continues after the ending in the first the book. And it may even have reference towards the first book. To sum it up, the story is going to continue whether you're caught up or not. And considering the references to the original game, it's easy to tell that it's a sequel
I feel like the first game is like a movie and the second is like the cartoon of the movie The story of the cartoon does not affect the movie but the latter settles the cartoon
I don’t really think the timeline matters much lore-wise, but I think the Devil being the final boss canonically is more…grand, I guess? As far as we know, Chef Saltbaker is kinda just a normal guy who can bake magical pastries, while the Devil is, well, the Devil. Just feels like a step down in terms of stakes Also the nightmare of the Devil makes more sense to happen while he’s still an active threat, but it’s also kinda weird that the boys would decide to just…sleep? Like they have a day to get dozens of contracts before they die, and they decided to not only go on a whole separate adventure, but also take a nap? Seems kinda odd
The way the dlc looks to me is sometime after the base game cuphead and mugman build on there friendship with chalice ( I don't think there in a genuine friendship during the base game but rather that chalice respects them and thanks them fir their help) chalice then discovers the cookie that let's her swap places with the living and tried it on Mugman from there they meat the chef and start the last course (I'm taking this from the fact the game mostly seems to aim towards the idea that the game is already over as pointed out with no evidence aimed at the game still being active excusing the news boy but as stated most people would here his speech about you beating the devil so he's neutral)
in the menue stands arriving 1932 if you didnt bought it. i think it plays after the story because why they should help someone else if they need to save their own souls
I would say sequel, meant to take place after the main game. But I think they left it open enough so that it could take place anywhere after the first mausoleum.
Did you see the statues in rugged ridge? A lot of the statue are dishware related- and One of them is miss chalice. Several of them relate to her super-arts move with the ghost army. If you want maybe bring this bit up to attention
If you don't have the dlc installed the pop up has a ticket hanging out that says "departing 6-30-1932" on it According to the official ost upload, the new devil fight is called "one hell of a dream" which confirms it isn't actually real I doubt the show is part of the game's canon because of them seemingly meeting Chalice for the first time both in the show and the first mausoleum
The DLC sets itself as a side story and a sequel. It is both dependent on how you want to play it. Much like episodes of Looney Tunes each fight and each story bit can be fit together in a coherent sense without much loss. Let's just say that Cuphead took that wrong turn on Alberquere.
6:53 it makes sense that you can't sail there, it's in a cave. so it could still be a sequel. but i do agree that it would be in between the beginning and devil boss fight because of the chalice bad ending which can still happen. (also i don't make sense)
Hey Hilda bergs eyes are orange when she turns into the cloud ghost just like Morter freezes eyes turn orange when he is the snowflake doing the thing….
she looks young in the cutscenes but in her transforming animation (when you eat the astralcookie) she looks like her normal version from the mausoleums
Honestly, i think that the main game and the dlc all take place in one period, so the dlc is done first because ms. chalice says at the end of the dlc, "If you ever find yourself in a pickle, I'm always just one cookie bite away!"
I would also like to note that in the end shot of saltbaker you can see chalice with a body along cuphead and mugman, and in the mausoleums she’s just a ghost.
Honestly I don't think Studio MDHR pay attention to a fixed timeline, it's like old cartoons. Stuff happens without continuity, the characters just exist without needing to continue from the main story. Like in The Cuphead Show the story is very different to the game despite having all the same characters, which doesn't mean it's happening before or after the game, it just means its a new story. But, the DLC being a sequel would also make sense as well
The only thing we know is that it takes place after Cuphead and Mugman gamble their souls. If this wasn't the case, they wouldn't have the finger blasting abilities that the Elder Kettle gave them specifically for the purpose of taking their debts
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Personally I think the best proof of the DLC being a sequel is the airplane guy. He helps you out without introducing himself at all and you already know how to fly
6:19 random fact I thought I'd bring up, "you have 'til midnight tomorrow to collect every one of those souls! Otherwise I'll be the one collecting yours!", well we did lose. Hilda Berg, Beppi the Clown and Phantom Express are set at night. Since Cagney Carnation (day level) comes right after Hilda Berg with no way around to beat Cagney first, the only way to finish Inkwell Isle I is to beat Hilda and then Cagney (1 night passed). Beating Beppi is the only way to unlock Grim Matchstick (day level) and since we have to beat every boss in each isle we have to say that Beppi is a separate night to any Inkwell Isle III boss (2 nights passed and we've already failed). Phantom Express is the very last boss of Inkwell Isle III but is also a night level therefore it is also a separate day due to the Grim Matchstick fight (3 nights passed, we're in even more trouble). So because of Cagney and Grim's placements on the maps we can confidently say that there are 3 nights in the game, not 2 so we had already lost the deal with the Devil at the Beppi boss fight which is "tomorrow's midnight" at the beginning of the game. What makes me more mad is that King Dice should be enforcing the rules for the Devil but ends up at the second Die house without ever mentioning the passing of time. King Dice should be bringing us straight to the Devil due to the failure of the deal. TL;DR There are 3 nights, not 2 and we should have lost our souls a long time ago
The DLC takes place after the main game because at the start of the main game the elder kettle gives cuphead the potion that allows him to fight the enemies and cuphead then carries this ability into the DLC.
if you haven't bought the dlc and go to the dlc menu in the main menu, at the top of the image, it says that the boat departs on june 30, 1932
that explains why I could not find it!
@@Pogobro Oh I just saw that and was about to comment it!
AND the dlc came out on june 30, 2022. 90 years later
@@Pogobro the DLC can be a prequel or a sequel depending on how far in main story the player decides to do it so this is really up to the player. it isn't canalogically a prequel or a sequel because that part is up to the player.
@@bananaowner_real what
It seems pretty clear to me that the DLC was designed to take place whenever you beat it.
You beat the devil and then played the DLC? Congrats, Chalice’s adventure takes place after the main game. You beat one mausoleum and then went on an adventure to save Chalice’s soul and then beat the devil? Congrats, that’s the order it takes place.
If the newspaperboy and the story’s disconnectedness is anything to go by, the developers clearly wanted to make the DLC’s placement in the timeline work wherever it laid out for YOU while playing it. This is exactly why a lot of old Cuphead players (who are beating the DLC long after the main game) feel like it’s a sequel, and why many of the new players feel that it a sidequest: it’s literally DESIGNED to slide in wherever you play it, and that means the devs did a good job at making the new content flexible.
Very well said!!
I thought that it was a side quest and I've been playing for a long time
If we follow the timeline of cuphead, the DLC actually happens 2 years later the main Adventure.
@@Oir_ then why does the newpaper boy have a different dialouge if you havent beaten the game yet?????????
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The main reason I say sequel is because, why would the brother’s go to another island when they have one day to get all the souls of the main game, and if they don’t they die? Why waste time instead of do it later. I personally believe the dlc is the end of cuphead (the game) because of that line in the key ingredient’s, but I can see both ways of it being before and after the end of the base game
they have the attention span of a squirrel with autism
Oof just saw your comment but yes I do agree with is
Cuphead and mugman will do anything for cussy man
@@Jeff_WeedEater chalussy
@@Jeff_WeedEater damn you
It's a sequel, because if you remember in the main game whenever you go to a mausoleum Miss challiss acts like she's never seen you before and thanks you as you two are unknown Heroes who save her from the ghost. However in the delicious last course, you seen their interaction that they're talking like they've known each other AKA through the events of the main game. The timeline is the Netflix show is before the main game the main game is after and then the DLC is the last part.
@CreepCalamity you're right, so I guess the show comes after the main game then the DLC
I honestly think the show is an alternate universe
@CreepCalamity the show isn’t canon
@CreepCalamity It can't take place after, because characters like Ribby and Croaks don't recognize them in the show, even though they supposedly voided them from debt. It can't take place before, because they dont recognize miss chalice and miss chalice doesn't recognize them. It can't take place during, as miss chalice has her body.
@CreepCalamity Therefore the show's story doesn't have correlation to the main game, therefore making it like the FNaF books are to the games: they can give gameplay/lore clues (or foreshadow things that will be included in the game), making it not canon to the game's storyline
You see the 1932 if it isn’t installed yet, go to the ticket when it’s not installed and it says leaving for dlc isle 1932 or something along those lines
then does delicious last course take place 2 years after or before the base game?
I checked it this is true
@@TheDoozyBearV after but yes
It says departs june 30 1932
@@TheDoozyBearV no 4
Another thing to mention is that after beating the base game at the end of the credits King dice says "that's all there is, there isn't any more...or is there" but he says nothing during the credits of the DLC. Just a little thing I noticed
I am pretty sure this DLC takes place after the main game. But that doesn't mean it is the ending. I assume they meant Delicious Last Course like the dessert in a meal. But with the show running, I am sure they will make a cuphead 2. It isn't "the end" just the end for now.
cuphead 2 probably wont happen for a good 15 years
Nah add another 5
Maja Moldenhauer practically confirmed they’re moving away from Cuphead, at least for their future game project. They do intend on keeping the hand-drawn stylings, though. I might be misinterpreting though: you can quickly find the interview around here
Hope you’re willing to wait a decade or so for that….
I’m pretty sure in a interview they said it would be a trilogy
It's canonically a side-story wich is also why you can start the D.L.C. at isle 1 if you want.
thats my guess as well
I say sequel due to the "debts are paid" line in the song. Yes it can refer to saltbaker and his community service. However, the term "debts" in cuphead is very well associated with the soul contracts and the Debtors. With how well detailed the game is the writers would certainly acknowledge that correlation, and the decision to make "debts" instead refer to saltbakers community service, which would at no other point be referred to as "debts", would be odd to say the least.
I would give some attention towards the ending of the base game, as one clue towards the D.L.C being a sequel that you missed in the video.
The final slide has the text "As an all-day celebration began, the brothers promised to never wander into trouble again. And they didn't - until the next time, of course! But that is another story..."
Now that may either hint at a sequel, or to the D.L.C, as that is certainly the brothers(and Chalice) wandering into trouble again, and we're certainly being told another story in the D.L.C. I'd say that makes it very obvious where it is supposed to be canonically.
thats a great point. "And they didn't - until the next time, of course! But that is another story..." this line is a pretty stereo typical story book ending line, but its a great thing to point out
@@Pogobro “of course” well that could be a coincidence or hinting to the name “the delicious last course.
@@Pogobro Also important to acknowledge that Cuphead loves word play, just look at the climbers side quest needed to unlock the secret boss. I couldn’t help but notice the use of the phrase says “until the next time, of COURSE.” Then, next time, we got… the Delicious Last COURSE. I think there’s plenty of things that point to this simply being a sequel
@@Henry-iz7iv cringe
So its a prequel
There's honestly plenty of material to explore if they ever did make Cuphead 2. Judging from the statues of cups, plates, and dinnerware in Rugged Ridge, and the shield with the term Calix Animi, which means Soul Cup, Rugged Ridge was once some sort of Cup themed kingdom that was brought to ruin somehow, and Cuphead and Mugman seem to be the reincarnations of its guardians. Chalice appears to be some sort of goddess by her statue's appearance.
There's a LOT of hidden lore they stuck in here. Why is any of this here? What happened to this kingdom? There's a massive amount of questions that could make for a great sequel.
YES SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED THIS!! :D
That's just theory. The boys could just be descendants or not even related at all.
I honestly think all of these events can (and do) happen at around the same time, and they can happen in any order depending on how the player individually goes about the game.
yeah, there really isnt a set timeline
yeah i beat the dlc before the main game
Fun fact: did u know that the secret boss was a scraped devil phase and when u beat it he will lean in and start it like normal non dlc
I forgot about that!! They weren’t kidding when they said they got everything in here somehow
I for sure think it’s a sequel. One of my (less logical) reasons is because of the song mentioned in the video
*Now the debts are paid, the pastries are baked*
This might sound stupid but I originally thought of the bolded line as “they already paid their debts to the devil, now they’re collecting ingredients for a pastry”. (But it does make sense if it’s referring to saltbaker)
Plus like he said canonically Cuphead and Mugman had till midnight to collect all of the soul contracts or else they’d like…die. So I feel like they wouldn’t stop to bake along the way.
Also cuphead and mugman sort of acted like legendary chalice was their friend, which would make more sense at the end of the game cause they ran into her way more times. (Plus if it was a prequel, why wasn’t she like…trapped in another mausoleum?)
One more thing to consider is the end credits of the main game where the voice goes "That's all there is...There isn't any more...Or is there?". Which I think is hinting to a sequel, the dlc.
yes I went into that line in the video
Something else to note is that chalice appears in the bad ending of the base game if you give up your soul at the end
I think there just isn’t a set timeline for what happens and it depends on how you play the game but the fact that it shows 1934 in the end credits of the dlc does make this a bit confusing and inconsistent if that’s the case
the DLC takes place two years later. on the DLC screen before you purchase it, there’s a passport that says June 30, 1932. I have an Xbox screenshot as proof if you’d like to see.
The thing about The Devil's skeleton is,
According to the main story, we're the first to have ever seen the devil's transformation, since we're the first people who fought and defeated him, meaning that the secret fight couldn't take place in the past, because Cuphead didn't know about the devil's skeleton at that time, which means that this was either a dream that took place after the devil is defeated, or a fight with the devil in the astral plane, although we know he isn't dead so, that's not possible!
What this means is that the dream most likely takes place after the devil fight, adding onto the proof that this is a sequel! Or this is just a game with no lore because it's based around 1930's cartoons, where literally anything can happen!
Ayo did I just get... attention from a TH-camr with a lot of subscribers???
I like to think that there is no “one time” that the DLC takes place. It just takes place whenever the player encounters it. The main reason is because the newspaper boy’s dialogue changes depending on how far you are in the main game.
You can’t really make a timeline for an open ended game like Cuphead. It’s like trying to figure out the “canonical” order in which Cuphead and Mugman fought the game’s bosses. Ooh, did the cups fight the Root Pack or Goopy le Grande first? There is no answer, because the player can fight them in whatever order they want! Just like how they can access the DLC whenever they want.
That makes sense because the paper guy that gives you 3 coins talks about them beating the devil and also the dlc was released on June 30th
I always considered the DLC to be another episode of a 1920~1930's cartoon. Theres no plots, the characters don't learn a lesson, everything just resets at the end of the day.
When I first had the fight with saltbaker, I immediately went "This is no longer Fleischer... this is Disney". If there will be a continuation of a tried and true animation style of the past, they will move forward a good notch to an era in animation where you had beutiful animation such as the Old Disney, like fantasia and whatnot, but contrasting with limited animation such as Hannah Barbera and even Old Anime. I honestly think, budget wise this is a feasible idea for a Cuphead sequel where you are bringing the historical clash of animations from different eras, and then end it with Computer 3D animated boss fight. Would be an amazing ode to animation history in general.
I think that the dlc has no cannon timeline. It takes place whenever you go there during the game. Like how how paperboy says different things depending on where you are in the game. Also somewhat unrelated but I also think the Cuphead show is still in the cannon timeline and it takes place before the game so that's why ms chalice knows you
I’d definitely say that the Delicious Last Course is a sequel as the boys already have their powers, powers they only received from Elder Kettle’s potion after getting in trouble with the Devil.
I’d also say that the Cuphead show is an alternate universe with Chalice having no problem with her form, Elder Kettle being incredibly blind without his glasses, the boys having no powers etc
On the topic of a "Cuphead 2", as much as I want that to happen, I don't think we'll be getting one (at least not for a long time). Studio MDHR has been vague on what's next from them, responding to interviews with something along the lines of "we having nothing to announce at this time, but we will continue to use hand-drawn animation." I think they might try some new ideas separate from Cuphead, perhaps in different animations styles (could be interesting to see something in an later 40s style or an UPA style), but I think the D.L.C. is the last we'll be seeing of Cuphead outside of the Netflix show and merchandise for awhile.
Including the DLC, they'd been working on the same game for 12 years. I wouldn't blame them in the slightest for wanting to move on to something new
I just think it takes place during the events of the main game as something you can take part in.
Although slightly after the events so I quess I'm on team Sequel.
Ps: Also due to the fact that the boys already have to start there quest to unlock the dlc and I wouldn't think they would pause the current adventure to go with some guy with a boat but after they still see him after they beat the devil they figure they should go.
I believe that the DLC takes place when you played it. If you went through the DLC before defeating the devil, then it takes place there. If you went through it after defeating the devil, then the same is true. It's like how you can choose some bosses to do before others and vice versa.
What I'm thinking is that the dlc is taken place whenever the player decides to go to the island. You can just go in the island anytime you want, just as long as you beated the Musullium. And no, the devil is not dead, the boss battle can just prove that he's not dead, it's just his skeleton.
It's easy to tell that this is a sequel because miss chalicenow knows the two and doesn't refer to them as unknown hero's and the devil's dead body in the grave is just obvious and you also go into this with all your abilitys whilst prequels strip you of your previous abilities so I don't know what is so confusing
This video summed up in a couple words:
“Idk it’s confusing to figure out the timeline”
🤷♂️
I can’t blame you about being confused about Inkwell Hell not being a place you could boat to, but take notice that there are no forms of water that lead from the ocean to the inside of the cave that is Inkwell Hell.
I would say my reasoning for having the dlc coming after would be that If I remember correctly, The Devil said something about them having one day to get all the souls to him, and I don't think if they were on a time limit like that they would just hop over to a new isle that has no souls for them to get
My problem with this is why didn't Cuphead and mugman get community service too, I mean they were the ones who fought the residents of inkwell 4 so wouldn't they also be held somewhat accountable if it was in they were just some nobodies who came on to that island rather than heroes who beat the devil
yeah haha tbh was pretty messed up
It’s actually take place in 1934 , the proof is shown when judge Wise Owl is sentencing chef Saltbaker to community service on the upper left corner of the paper where the judge is holding , you can see it’s clearly says 1934 .
So in conclusion it’s actually 4 year after cuphead and mugman defeated the devil
Has anyone Just considered that fact that it could be a side quest
“Let’s go do a side quest even though we have just a few hours till we die if we don’t complete our mission”
@@Min4617_ Just like every other game that has side quest dlc
@@Min4617_ makes sense
The problem with your assertion that Ms. Chalice exists out of time is that Cuphead and Mugman DON'T, but they still recognize Ms. Chalice when the DLC begins implying they've met.
Yeah but that doesnt mean ms chalice couldnt show up from any point. It just means that they for sure met her at a mausoleum before going to the dlc island.
The answer is simple: it's an old cartoon, there IS no continuity, things are mentioned from previous adventures and things are reused from different places, but even characters that get crushed to pieces come back the next episode like nothing ever even happened.
I think it's a curse from the Devil. The Devil has condemned everyone to live in a time loop, and that's why Cuphead and Mugman can fight every boss as many times as they want. So the time is broken, we can also get a clue of this in the loading screen of the Angel and Demon who were created by the Devil.
I like how Pogobro is becoming the Mossbag of Cuphead. Love it!
The dlc’s timeline placement depends on if you play it before beating the devil or after, as the news boy’s dialogue depends on your game state. So because of this it depends on when the player chooses to play the dlc to put it on the timeline
I feel like DLC happens canonically at no specific point in time, *it happens at whatever point you decide to go there*
Honestly, the delicious course is active on a new file if you beat Mausoleum 1. So it’s probably just a little fun side island, confused on the Devil being dead tho.
The devil is dead because it’s a dream
Hear me out, the Dlc happens whenever you do it. Whether that's years after beating the devil or after just one masuleuem
Here's one more thing that confounds the year issue; if you look at the small plaque on Chef Saltbaker's table in the first phase of "A Dish to Die For", it reads as follows:
SALTBAKER
GENT
Canada, '38
I'm guessing that the DLC folder stating a date of departure for 1932 is a reference to the fact that this DLC was supposed to come out 2 years after the original game did (which ended up not happening for various reasons).
The question's sort of a wash anyway, since Studio MDHR's stance on it since promoting the game in the month leading up to it's release is that it's both a quest that can take place simultaneously or after the base game, and numerous interviews state that the DLC is more of a 'final farewell' and a 'cool sendoff' to the game of Cuphead (until a sequel happens in like...the 2040s or something).
I think it takes place whenever you decide to do it. Since the cat's dialogue changes based on your progress
My theory about of the DLC:
It's neither a sequel nor a prequel, just another episode of the story. Like old cartoons that didn't had continuity.
I've been watching a lot of Cuphead content recently and I noticed that in the dice house, (where you get from isle to isle in the main game), there is a black board in the background with I, II, III, IV and V on it. This may be hinting to the Isles and if so where is the fifth isle? It could be counting ink well hell but I doubt it as that isn't listed as isle four or five.
I personally believe that the DLC not only takes place after the events of the base game but is also the grand finale to Cuphead. I base this belief off of the book titled "The Art of Cuphead," released on March 17, 2020.
In that book, there is a section at the end that gave a sneak peek of "The Delicious Last Course." On page 257, it describes how they came up with the idea for the DLC. It says that they came up with so many new ideas after they finished the base game that they "approached the team and proposed the idea of taking another trip together to the Inkwell Isles for one more grand adventure." This seems to imply that the DLC is the grand finale to Cuphead and there will therefore be no sequel.
The book then goes on to say on the same page, "With their quest to defeat The Devil and save their souls already complete, we knew the prospect of going on another journey together was the perfect opportunity to introduce a third playable character." This seems to prove that the DLC does indeed take place after the events of the base game.
That being said, this book was published while the DLC was still being worked on, so their plans to make it take place after the events of the base game and have it be the grand finale to Cuphead could have changed since then. However, there has been nothing officially said by them that would lead me to believe that anything has changed, which is why I believe what I do.
The credits mentions miss chalice is a NEW FRIEND
I like to imagine miss chalice goes to the mausoleum as an alternative to the wonder tart
Literally there is a npc that says that you "sent that imp packing"
I would say that the biggest reason for a sequel is that the trio knows their name but in the base game you only learn her name after the second mouseleum. With that fact in its either in the story of the main game or after it.
I would say at the very least the DLC takes place during or after the events of the main game. The only reason you even have the Peashooter is because Grandpa Kettle gave it to the boys after hearing about their debts to the Devil.
Theory: If you beat the secret Devil and Angel boss, they get sucked into the Devil's skeleton, what I think that means is that when that happens, the Devil is automatically healed once more and is able to be stronger than ever, because you see the Angel is begging very much.
It’s obviously a sequel. The Devil gave them until midnight of the next day to bring him all the souls.
Unless they did a speedrun of the DLC I doubt they’d be wasting time helping someone else
The question is more if the dlc takes place before or after deafening the devil, seeing as you have to beat one mausoleum to play it, but honestly I think the timeline for it is fluid and the dlc is intended to take place anytime during the first game seeing as the boatman is on all the isles and because the cat has dialogue for different situations, depending if you’ve beating certain bosses or not
I think it just takes place whenever you as the player play it. It would be weird if you completed a bunch of bosses from the base game, got on the boat to Inkwell Isle 4 and then it's like "oh yeah, this took place before everything you just did", even though you got on the boat after all that. The newspaper boy shouting your base game progress seals it for me.
it's very clear to me that studio mdhr just isn't focused on in depth lore with cuphead. they have a basic backbone of a story so that nothing feels out of place and everything has some sort of cohesion, but they are more focused on just making a fun gameplay experience. plus, not having a timeline with set continuity might just be one of the many nods to old age cartoons, which were usually just one offs and not part of a greater story.
Isn’t it funny that Clockface is called Clockface even he’s a Compass?
The simple answer is that the dlc isn’t a sequel or a prequel. It completely depends on the player and when they complete the dlc I like to think of it as a really big side quest.
"Alive and well" seeing that he has an arm cast i dont agree with the "well" part
considering he can hop out of his own skin at will I'm sure a few breaks and bruises arnt that bad
I heard that the secret boss was supposed to a phase of the Devil fight but was scrapped I think that it was going to be after the first phase because of the Devil's skeleton in the background and I think that those spirit versions of the boss getting pulled into the eye sockets was to transition to the next phase where the Devil is huge
Well, Cuphead and his pal Mugman
Their new friend chalice too
By chance, they stopped into a bake shop
Mischief was on the menu
Now the debts are paid, the pastries are bake
There is one thing left to say
WHERES SEASON TWO TO THE CUPHEAD SHOW
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Checky last comment, can't tell if it's season two or part two
My guess is that it depends on if you beat The Devil or not yet.
I think it's obvious that it's the sequel . You mentioned how the newspaper boy gives the coins whether or whether not you beat the game. However in the end he still mentions how we beat the devil like a week ago. (I think it was a week I don't remember exactly) Technically this is one of the biggest pieces of evidence. Think of it like a book.
Let's say you've read the first book out of a series and when the second one was released you read it too. You have a friend who hasn't read any of the books. Even though they haven't read the first book, you give them the second book to read. The second book is going to continue the story from the first book. Whether you read the first book or not the story still continues after the ending in the first the book. And it may even have reference towards the first book.
To sum it up, the story is going to continue whether you're caught up or not. And considering the references to the original game, it's easy to tell that it's a sequel
Theory: it’s based on what you do in the game. If you already beat the devil it’s a sequel, if not it’s before the end of the main story
I feel like the first game is like a movie and the second is like the cartoon of the movie
The story of the cartoon does not affect the movie but the latter settles the cartoon
oh I like this
I support the nightmare theory because when you do the fight the character you play as fall's asleep in front of the grave
“Alive and well”
You sure he’s well?
He is the devil, I'm sure he will recover, will just take some time.
5:21 just noticed if you look on the paper saying community service you see the date in the top left corner that says 1934
Yo! It's really putting dlc after game..
I don’t really think the timeline matters much lore-wise, but I think the Devil being the final boss canonically is more…grand, I guess? As far as we know, Chef Saltbaker is kinda just a normal guy who can bake magical pastries, while the Devil is, well, the Devil. Just feels like a step down in terms of stakes
Also the nightmare of the Devil makes more sense to happen while he’s still an active threat, but it’s also kinda weird that the boys would decide to just…sleep? Like they have a day to get dozens of contracts before they die, and they decided to not only go on a whole separate adventure, but also take a nap? Seems kinda odd
I don't know where the show stands on lore but, Cuphead has nightmares of the devil. That is all.
I think the ghosts that are in the puzzle Just trap people's souls in their worst nightmare.
The way the dlc looks to me is sometime after the base game cuphead and mugman build on there friendship with chalice ( I don't think there in a genuine friendship during the base game but rather that chalice respects them and thanks them fir their help) chalice then discovers the cookie that let's her swap places with the living and tried it on Mugman from there they meat the chef and start the last course (I'm taking this from the fact the game mostly seems to aim towards the idea that the game is already over as pointed out with no evidence aimed at the game still being active excusing the news boy but as stated most people would here his speech about you beating the devil so he's neutral)
in the menue stands arriving 1932 if you didnt bought it. i think it plays after the story because why they should help someone else if they need to save their own souls
I would say sequel, meant to take place after the main game.
But I think they left it open enough so that it could take place anywhere after the first mausoleum.
If you look at the community service paper on the credits of the dlc of cuphead you’ll see the date to be 1934
I feel like this is one of those things where it's kind of just separate with no real concrete time period when it takes place.
Did you see the statues in rugged ridge? A lot of the statue are dishware related- and
One of them is miss chalice. Several of them relate to her super-arts move with the ghost army.
If you want maybe bring this bit up to attention
If you don't have the dlc installed the pop up has a ticket hanging out that says "departing 6-30-1932" on it
According to the official ost upload, the new devil fight is called "one hell of a dream" which confirms it isn't actually real
I doubt the show is part of the game's canon because of them seemingly meeting Chalice for the first time both in the show and the first mausoleum
5:48
“He is alive and well”
The devil sitting in background with the crap beat out of him.
The DLC sets itself as a side story and a sequel. It is both dependent on how you want to play it. Much like episodes of Looney Tunes each fight and each story bit can be fit together in a coherent sense without much loss. Let's just say that Cuphead took that wrong turn on Alberquere.
I agree that chef saltbaker is more easier in normal difficulty. Only tooked 15 minutes. (It tooked 5.5 hours to clear the dlc plus the main game)
The dlc acualy is in 1934 because of the end credits with cheif saltbaker in court it says 1934 in his sentence
The skeleton in the background has a horn that the devil doesn’t
6:53 it makes sense that you can't sail there, it's in a cave. so it could still be a sequel. but i do agree that it would be in between the beginning and devil boss fight because of the chalice bad ending which can still happen.
(also i don't make sense)
Before you buy the dlc if you click on it in-game and look at the tag it says June 30 1932 your welcome
I like to think the Netflix show takes place in a different universe than the game.
I think thats kind of what we have to think if we want to make any sense of this stuff.
Yep
Hey Hilda bergs eyes are orange when she turns into the cloud ghost just like Morter freezes eyes turn orange when he is the snowflake doing the thing….
5:24 it says 1934 so thats 4 years after main game
it even says 1930 in those exact slides at the timestamp where are you peole sing this I MUST BE BLIND
@@Pogobro top left corner of the community service thing
I don't know if you realized this but in the DLC Ms. Chalice looks way younger in fact in Cuphead she looked like an adult. Strange right?
Pretty sure that's just because she's not wearing her lipstick.
Well, she is using the body of a child as ms chalice
she looks young in the cutscenes but in her transforming animation (when you eat the astralcookie) she looks like her normal version from the mausoleums
2:22 There is the shortcut in inkwell isle one that skips having to do the run n gun requiring you to only do the mausoleum
Honestly, i think that the main game and the dlc all take place in one period, so the dlc is done first because ms. chalice says at the end of the dlc, "If you ever find yourself in a pickle, I'm always just one cookie bite away!"
I would also like to note that in the end shot of saltbaker you can see chalice with a body along cuphead and mugman, and in the mausoleums she’s just a ghost.
it's a sequel Because m's chalice is alive in the end and in the super art place you see her as a ghost
This hurts my head more than it needs to, I'll just accept it as a suquel unless proven otherwise like fnaf2
Honestly I don't think Studio MDHR pay attention to a fixed timeline, it's like old cartoons. Stuff happens without continuity, the characters just exist without needing to continue from the main story. Like in The Cuphead Show the story is very different to the game despite having all the same characters, which doesn't mean it's happening before or after the game, it just means its a new story.
But, the DLC being a sequel would also make sense as well
The only thing we know is that it takes place after Cuphead and Mugman gamble their souls. If this wasn't the case, they wouldn't have the finger blasting abilities that the Elder Kettle gave them specifically for the purpose of taking their debts
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thanks! I enjoy doing them :)
@@Pogobro i can believe that
Personally I think the best proof of the DLC being a sequel is the airplane guy. He helps you out without introducing himself at all and you already know how to fly
6:19 random fact I thought I'd bring up, "you have 'til midnight tomorrow to collect every one of those souls! Otherwise I'll be the one collecting yours!", well we did lose. Hilda Berg, Beppi the Clown and Phantom Express are set at night. Since Cagney Carnation (day level) comes right after Hilda Berg with no way around to beat Cagney first, the only way to finish Inkwell Isle I is to beat Hilda and then Cagney (1 night passed). Beating Beppi is the only way to unlock Grim Matchstick (day level) and since we have to beat every boss in each isle we have to say that Beppi is a separate night to any Inkwell Isle III boss (2 nights passed and we've already failed). Phantom Express is the very last boss of Inkwell Isle III but is also a night level therefore it is also a separate day due to the Grim Matchstick fight (3 nights passed, we're in even more trouble). So because of Cagney and Grim's placements on the maps we can confidently say that there are 3 nights in the game, not 2 so we had already lost the deal with the Devil at the Beppi boss fight which is "tomorrow's midnight" at the beginning of the game. What makes me more mad is that King Dice should be enforcing the rules for the Devil but ends up at the second Die house without ever mentioning the passing of time. King Dice should be bringing us straight to the Devil due to the failure of the deal.
TL;DR There are 3 nights, not 2 and we should have lost our souls a long time ago
The DLC takes place after the main game because at the start of the main game the elder kettle gives cuphead the potion that allows him to fight the enemies and cuphead then carries this ability into the DLC.