Mortimer Freeze Lore is Dark - Cuphead DLC

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  • The Cuphead DLC has added a ton of fun easter eggs and story bits. And its finally driven me mad. Mortimer Freeze is a cult leader, but what exactly are the plans of the Snow Cult Scuffle? And how does Hilda Berg fit into all of this? What is the ice palace? who is that snow golem? Bepi the Clown?
    0:00-1:43 The Only Sane Part
    1:43-2:53 Setting Up The Plot
    2:53-4:53 Care For a Game of Tarot Cards?
    4:53-6:00 Indiana Jones in Cuphead?
    6:00-6:48 Nose in the Thumbnail
    6:48-7:33 Back on meds
    7:33-7:56 What are you doing here Bepi?
    7:56-8:35 DnD Whale
    8:35-9:57 It's all for the Fame
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  • @villageboy7768
    @villageboy7768 ปีที่แล้ว +558

    4:13 I'm just saving my spot

  • @thatguy779
    @thatguy779 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    Actually with how classic cartoons used to nearly copy-paste character archetypes, it makes perfect sense to me that Hilda and Mortimer (two individuals involved with witchcraft, astrology and demonic whatnot) would have the classic witchy nose at the height of their power

  • @theimmoralartist4909
    @theimmoralartist4909 ปีที่แล้ว +850

    " Adorn with shackles and topped with a mysterious orange bucket , the booming snow beast holds many secrets to his origin ." - The Cuphead art book wen talking about the untitled snow boss . I believe that the golem is a combination of previous sacrifices due to him wearing the same hat as the others in the background. Its chanded away to make sure the restless spirits dont rebel when Mortimer isnt using them. Just food for thought.

    • @eggnogisdead
      @eggnogisdead ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I always thought of him as a mech suit thing

    • @GB-sr9kv
      @GB-sr9kv ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@eggnogisdead it actually is and he’s wrong… cause it’s just a bunch of snow around him

    • @generalcrab0009
      @generalcrab0009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What does chanded mean?

    • @theimmoralartist4909
      @theimmoralartist4909 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@generalcrab0009 lol i meant to write " Chained " but i was really tired wen i wrote the comment so its just a typo

    • @muddashucka9743
      @muddashucka9743 ปีที่แล้ว

      *chained

  • @PassTheSnails
    @PassTheSnails ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Remember that during Mortimer’s third phase, he is simply still just “inside” the snowflake just as he was the snow golem. When he throws the buckets at you, he’s summoning them with his own two arms as he’s piloting essentially this frozen “mech” of sorts. I always thought it was interesting that mortimer never actually has the ability to change form, he just plays dress-up for the whole fight.

  • @samandmrcheese
    @samandmrcheese ปีที่แล้ว +438

    Here's an alternate take on Mortimer's Tarot card attack that I think makes more sense. Mortimer is telling the cups their fortune. With the sun card, he's telling them how great it is to have Ms. Chalice join them on their adventure. With the moon card, they're unknowingly Chef Saltbaker's minions. Attacking everyone on the island and stealing the ingredients for the Wondertart for him. And finally, the three swords. Which tells them that Chef Saltbaker's playing the cups for saps. Intending to use a living soul as the secret ingredient and try to kill the other two cups!
    Personally, I think Mortimer Freeze is more benevolent than the theories in this video make him out to be.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว +90

      I think you can look at the tarot cards in multiple ways tbh, just like actual tarot card readings

    • @invhazion8141
      @invhazion8141 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      If we use the traditional format of one card for the past, one for the present and one for the future, I reckon the moon would be the past (representing the cups’ experiences fighting everyone in isles 1-3 and in hell since you could argue there are themes of deception there, but it’s also possible to be about how you’re deceived when talking to saltbaker for the first time). The sun is the present (things are going well and there’s hope for the future of ms chalice) and the 3 of swords is of the future, where saltbaker betrays them. A fundamentally sorrowful experience could be either describing the past or the future, however, but the moon can’t be the future card because by then there won’t be any deception anymore

  • @nobodynexus
    @nobodynexus ปีที่แล้ว +774

    I'd like to think that in reality there isn't a snow cult- instead Mortimer's just insane yet lonely so to compensate for his crippling loneliness, he MADE every cult member. Considering his second phase, it's not exactly too far off. Not to mention just how in his losing screen of the first phase- "It'll be a warm December before I let you be a member"- it implies that he won't LET people join the cult. Why though? Well because he thinks actual people are probably going to backstab him
    That's just my theory tho

    • @k.w.6626
      @k.w.6626 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      I mean, i think ts cause ya know, cuphead attacked him

    • @nobodynexus
      @nobodynexus ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@k.w.6626 I mean that too- but it's fun to think about

    • @yanchukcha9748
      @yanchukcha9748 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      That's how I saw it at first. He's a snow wizard, he uses his living creations to attack, of course the entire audience is just part of his spell.

    • @marlikbudvergard
      @marlikbudvergard ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Huh, weird how similar that is to a certain Ice wizard, king perhaps.

    • @themangotango95
      @themangotango95 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A Game Theory, thanks for watching

  • @chefsalty9316
    @chefsalty9316 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Personally I assumed that Mortimer created those snowmen to keep him company or act as his servants but they ended up worshipping him for creating them.

  • @invadernav3422
    @invadernav3422 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    The whale's star pattern are actually a constellation in and off itself, it's the Whale Constellation - he could have used the same magic as Hilda to bring to life a constellation like she does to transform herself.

  • @Khalypso_
    @Khalypso_ ปีที่แล้ว +190

    2:19 The arena has some similarities to a colosseum, so the sounds from inside might be the crowd cheering on another battle

    • @ChiefSuperIntendedBacon
      @ChiefSuperIntendedBacon ปีที่แล้ว +21

      It sounds more like a one-man voice than a crowd, expecially with it's low tone it's sounds like an old man voice wich perfectly fits Mortimer.
      It's probably him just making a loud speech to his members. Even in his entrance animation you can see him sitting on his throne like you interrupted their meeting or something.

    • @osteopod2053
      @osteopod2053 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It’s penguins

    • @SrGanso-tv6mw
      @SrGanso-tv6mw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ChiefSuperIntendedBacon I agree

  • @totallynotbot8686
    @totallynotbot8686 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I think the tarot cards are referencing the saltbaker fight, he starts off as a good character setting you off on a noble quest to save Ms. chalice, but that was a lie and you're gonna get yer ass kicked by him

  • @evagarcia865
    @evagarcia865 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    I think the snow golem is sentient on its own, and Mortimer just fused with it to gain more power.
    In Chef Saltbaker’s comic in the epilogue, it can be seen fishing in the background and smiling

    • @yanchukcha9748
      @yanchukcha9748 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Even the snowflake seems to be sentient on its own. During one of the attacks, Mortimer sends his soul out for a flight, but the boss is still moving.
      Besides, the golem's legs walk away during the transition to the third phase and can even damage you.

    • @-Spectator-
      @-Spectator- ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yanchukcha9748 also when mortimer is summoning buckets at cuphead/mugman/chalice during phase 3 the snowflake stares at his hands and sees where the buckets go,it is also holding the little door for his hands to go through

  • @plazmatic2664
    @plazmatic2664 ปีที่แล้ว +498

    Honestly the thing is with Hilda is that unlike Mortimer is that she kinda doesn't see it coming when she changes into last stage (Or at least shows major discomfort.)
    (BIG THEORY HERE) Maybe she was punished for turning into all these real celestial beings and was turned into a mecha moon (It its kinda robot as seen in one of her attacks where she extends her head) and she uses her punishment to attack you and take you down with her.

    • @lousgd4798
      @lousgd4798 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Wow, it seems so obvious now !

    • @yanchukcha9748
      @yanchukcha9748 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      She does owe her soul to the devil, so that sounds solid. Unlike most other bosses in the main game, Hilda actually seems to actively use powers that seem to be unnatural to her - she's a blimp, but her main ability is for some reason the power over stars. Even the queen bee has a magic wand that visually suits her theme. I'd guess that she's literally using a sort of witchcraft, and that's why her soul contract started acting up in the middle of the fight - because she was directly drawing power from it.

    • @plazmatic2664
      @plazmatic2664 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@yanchukcha9748 Yeah I really like that idea

  • @valthestudio4886
    @valthestudio4886 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    i hope you do the winchester too! the fact that it indicates that she may be a corrupted sheriff is really interesting to me.

    • @tatarchan5212
      @tatarchan5212 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She owned a saloon during prohibition era and she is the nearest boss to moonshine mob, she has snake oil as her attack implies that she like to scam her customers, she have the most gun like attack for her "kid friendly firearms", she vacuum up others valuable.
      And even have a wanted poster. Definitely an outlaw sheriff.

    • @DuoScot
      @DuoScot ปีที่แล้ว

      yep, would be amazing to see

    • @obliviouslynormal3664
      @obliviouslynormal3664 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She’s not a sheriff that was just what someone said before the dlc came out she’s an outlaw

    • @valthestudio4886
      @valthestudio4886 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@obliviouslynormal3664 i cant believe this. i have seen these comment for so many goddamn times.
      for godsake the trailer says
      "the watchful eyes of SHERIFF winchester". it is what people call before the DLC come out because it is what the TRAILER says. it never have been said if the lore somehow change and she isnt a sheriff anymore but that is all we know. that her position is A SHERIFF.
      this is the reason why it is interesting to me. because they say she is a sheriff but she seems like an outlaws. so i rlly need some wild theory right there.

    • @unknownastroid_2240
      @unknownastroid_2240 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So a sheriff stealing from her ppl then?

  • @Swuiddy0086
    @Swuiddy0086 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    8:39
    Perhaps the bucket is a symbol of power/ability within the cult as only some of the members in the background are wearing one. It could have been given by Mortimer / The snowflake to members deemed worthy enough to have it.

  • @jacques9555
    @jacques9555 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There’s something I didn’t notice about Mortimers fight up until I saw this video.
    Before Mortimer swings the whale out of his hat, You could see that there’s a bunch of stars across its back. I’m not sure if this is a constellation or if it’s just randomly placed stars but… I thought it was worth the mention.

  • @AuraTheSoulBFFan
    @AuraTheSoulBFFan ปีที่แล้ว +98

    Beppi maybe ties into this as his area could be his own domain. It seems HE is controlling the park to attack you like calling the cart, and even the final phase turning into that carousel thing. It seems due to the carnival being his domain, he can control it. It's more lair stuff like how villains can control the lair to fight the hero(es).

    • @cooper9617
      @cooper9617 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah that might have been why he signed his contract. To take control of the park making it his or to be a famous clown.

    • @AuraTheSoulBFFan
      @AuraTheSoulBFFan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cooper9617 Probably, yeah

    • @00_BRUHH
      @00_BRUHH 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​​​​@@cooper9617Maybe it was already his. I mean- The Devil doesn't really give a shit about you unless you *specifically gamble* your soul away to him. In the games at least.

  • @stegaflores0618
    @stegaflores0618 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    The way I see it, you're one of three thing, Earthbound, Semi-Astral, or an Astral being. Characters like Cuphead and Mugman, are Earthbound, as they're obviously very alive, however like Ms.Chalice, upon death their souls move into the Astral plane. They can "return" and interact with Earthbound beings, but ultimately can't do much besides move physical objects or get parried. Semi-Astral beings are characters like Hilda Berg and Ol' Mortimer here. They draw power from the Astral Plane, giving them abilities that are unlike anything an Earthbound being could hope to achieve. For the most part, they're simply stronger Earthbound beings. Finally, there's Astral Beings, such as the Phantom Express, and The Devil himself. These beings either live withn, or draw extreme power from the Astral Plane. Being an Astral being allows you to return to a physical form, or possibly grant yourself one, however this is only if you're strong enough to draw such power from the Astral Plane. Personally, I see the reason Saltbaker wanting to gain Astral powers, is to become immortal, however the reason he chooses to be immortal, is to maintain his title as Greatest Chef in all the Land, with the Wondertart becoming his sole reason to keep the role, while functioning as his Magnum Opus as well. That's just a theory though...a CUPHEAD theory! Thanks for reading

    • @cheatcode436
      @cheatcode436 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *Giygas intensifies*

    • @stegaflores0618
      @stegaflores0618 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cheatcode436 not that Earthbound chump

  • @Artcat932
    @Artcat932 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Hers my try at making a theory about this:
    I want to remind everyone that the main game bosses made a deal with the devil whilst the DLC bosses didn’t. I think Hilda Burg made a deal to turn her into a sort of demigod, which lets her transform into godly celestial beings including a moon. I think that Mortimer worships Hilda, the god of the celestial beings, and inducts cult members to experiment on them to discover a way for him to become a similar god but not by making a deal with the devil.
    The reason I think he experiments on the members is because the beast he summons is just a bulkier what I assume a more powerful version of the bucket wearing members in the background. Perhaps he’s a failed experiment that didn’t fully become a god but made him extremely powerful, and the final snowflake is the final experiment, a being that can summon energy shooting enemies and float in mid air, just like Hilda floating in the sky with her energy shooting UFOs.
    In the end, Cuphead manages to destroy his form and cause to revert back to regular Mortimer.

    • @tvman2181
      @tvman2181 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      so yeah. but how is the snow monster a refrigerator?

    • @iknowmyopinioniswrongbut6785
      @iknowmyopinioniswrongbut6785 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@tvman2181 cause it's funny

    • @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga
      @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga ปีที่แล้ว +1

      His first death quote suggests he doesn’t want real people in the cult and he used his power to make the snowman and the members.

  • @glimmerstantroop46321
    @glimmerstantroop46321 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Howling Aces are overrated, I'm majorly surprised Mortimer isn't more popular, great vid btw

  • @dogsareyum1996
    @dogsareyum1996 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I think the sounds are the crowd cheering on mortimer as he defeats a gladiator. ( I think the map is a colloseum)

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hmmm thats a cool idea

  • @Disc-CubeClown
    @Disc-CubeClown ปีที่แล้ว +107

    I feel like there's a connection between Werner Werman and the Howling Aces. Mostly Because the Bulldog pilot in the first phase uses a cat that looks exactly like Katzenwagen from Werner's Final phase.
    Perhaps Werner and The Howling aces were at war with each other, then Werner signed his soul away so he could fight the howling aces with the very cats they used again't him. Since Werner and his battle have lots of references to War and also that Werner speaks German, and the Howling Aces look like a military army... (this is a bit of a stretch) but this could have been 'WW1' in the 'CUPHEAD' universe.
    (or not I'm probably stupid)
    (Also LOVE YOUR CONTENT! ❤ ❤ ❤

    • @bryanthemagicmechanic
      @bryanthemagicmechanic ปีที่แล้ว +12

      This man is a genius

    • @Kyumifun
      @Kyumifun ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There were no planes in ww1 though

    • @sdekoning2100
      @sdekoning2100 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Your not stupid dont belittle yourself like that. I think your idea is actually really smart and clever. I can definetly see this being true. Even if were just two random people on te internet who dont know each other. I would like you to now that you seem like a very nice person. 😁

    • @Judge_0f_Everything
      @Judge_0f_Everything ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @S de Koning alt 🤡🤡🤡🤡

    • @sdekoning2100
      @sdekoning2100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Judge_0f_EverythingSorry i dont understand?

  • @austinmorrison6953
    @austinmorrison6953 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    But Hilda seems to lose control of whatever magic she’s using when she becomes the moon. I don’t think Hilda has any major connection to Mortimer. Hilda is thought to be a meteorologist on Inkwell Isle but what if while studying the weather and the stars, she discovered the means to use astral magic(her zodiac forms)?

  • @resurrekt7114
    @resurrekt7114 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    I'm not sure whether or not this has to do with Mortimer, but his snowflake form kinda looks like Cryogonal from Pokémon, which is pretty much a sentient snowflake with crystal chains coming from its lower half and are used as arms of sorts, just like Mortimer does in this form

    • @Kyumifun
      @Kyumifun ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Coulb be a reference to it but who knows

    • @resurrekt7114
      @resurrekt7114 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Kyumifun hopefully, Cryogonal is very cool (pun not intended)

    • @OmniversalInsect
      @OmniversalInsect ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean the pokemon has a relatively simple design, I think saying they're related might be a bit of a stretch

  • @TheSaintGamer
    @TheSaintGamer ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That sound coming from the outside could be Mortimer speaking to the cult, along with howling wind. As for the tarot cards, I personally think they're describing the cups journey in this dlc, the sun representing new friends, the moon representing saltbakers hidden agenda, and the 3 of swords representing his betrayal and how chalice can't actually come back permanently.

  • @noahwilliams875
    @noahwilliams875 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    though there are a few stretches, its still somewhat interesting
    though if Mortimer does want to control the astral plane, I imagine its as a way to make inkwell isles have eternal winter, since it is a snow cult after all

  • @reillythewingaming8220
    @reillythewingaming8220 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Both do seem to resemble astral body's. However mortimer's final form seems to be more artificial unlike Hilda's final form

    • @tvman2181
      @tvman2181 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      hilda's final form is literally mechanical

    • @reillythewingaming8220
      @reillythewingaming8220 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think she has some form of cosmic power... Also Hilda's final form definitely has more power, she could easily beat Mortimer's final form in a fight.

  • @IUseRandomPfps
    @IUseRandomPfps ปีที่แล้ว +9

    As a massive Undertale fan, I can confirm the fandom is pretty cult-like in parts.

    • @rebeccadavis3185
      @rebeccadavis3185 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ALL HALE FUNNI SKELTON MAN

    • @chrisgarrett6305
      @chrisgarrett6305 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Saying that deltarune has no lore at all is pretty odd though considering there’s actually quite a lot, considering undertale lore and deltarune lore are basically one set or lore.

  • @AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
    @AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Here's something i found: Did you know the stars on the back of the Whale Mortimer pulls out are actually the star alignments for a Whale in the stars.

  • @mostafabalboul3966
    @mostafabalboul3966 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So, the moon at 7:51 in Beppi the Clown's stage looks conspicuously like the snowflake mask in the background through most of Mortimer's fight. Maybe he's also using some degree of astral plane trickery in his fight? His final transformation is very dramatically different from his main form, and doesn't really draw upon the balloon motif that he's got going on, kind of like how Hilda Berg doesn't use constellations for her last dramatic transformation.

  • @yanchukcha9748
    @yanchukcha9748 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The buckets kind of feel to me like those plastic ones you'd bring to the beach to build sandcastles. My first idea was that they're a symbol from before the beginning of the cult - when Mortimer decided to build a person out of sand/snow and became inspired to learn ice magic and make it alive. So I guess it sort of symbolizes a vestigial origin of life for the snowmen.

  • @oliven333
    @oliven333 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just thought Mortimer was lonely and built lots of snowmen to join his snow cult

  • @Nootathotep
    @Nootathotep ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hilda Berg is totally the most dangerous character in Cuphead, not only is she one of maybe 3? pre-DLC bosses who manipulate the Astral Plane (Djimmi and the Devil) she seems to be more adept than either. I'm wearing this tinfoil hat to my grave.

  • @idkmanitsjustmyhandle
    @idkmanitsjustmyhandle ปีที่แล้ว +10

    2:16 they might be the cult's sound because many snowmans can be seen in mortimer freeze map

  • @BrBaEdit
    @BrBaEdit ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another fun thing with the theory is that his name is Mortimer Freeze, and Mort is Death in Latin, maybe they sacrifice Mortimer?

  • @fightme3368
    @fightme3368 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a DnD player that joke towards the end was so true.

  • @oshahott2532
    @oshahott2532 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The sound outside of the level definitely sounds like chanting of some sort. And the 3 of swords card seems to me like your theory of the snowmen coming together to become the snow golem was true. That card could symbolize that the cult members end up turning themselves into weapons for Mortimer to achieve his ultimate goal of ascension.

  • @siskssiedi3999
    @siskssiedi3999 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I pre ordered Cult of the Lamb. Cannot wait.

  • @Silverwingmk2
    @Silverwingmk2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Could also be one of them cults that produce stuff.
    With the sugar being what you get from them it might be a special type of sugar made from the Astral plain.

  • @juntalee8705
    @juntalee8705 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It a wonder why you didn't said anything about the night time on the battle of Pear Lap. Additionally, In my opinion the decoration in the middle of the arena is definitely Sun. The sound you hear when you go close to the arena is the sound of the cult leader and the members, according to the wiki.

  • @Castlecrasher200
    @Castlecrasher200 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:14 I think it’s Mortimer shouting to his followers about.. idk cult stuff.

  • @glowy3068
    @glowy3068 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think something to keep in mind is that all the base game bosses had at some point made a deal that caused their soul debt. Admittedly these debts could have been caused by nearly anything, although we have to keep in mind that each debitter managed to escape the devil's initial attempt to claim their soul. Its an interesting little mystery box of potential for them.

  • @Koly___
    @Koly___ ปีที่แล้ว +5

    8:28 every random theory ever explained in 10 seconds

  • @CreepiestCreationsHaunts
    @CreepiestCreationsHaunts ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I personally think that the sounds coming from the area on the map is some form of a ritual happening, I think it would make sense considering Mortimer’s stage is a cult like area.

    • @tonybeattie3980
      @tonybeattie3980 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Was gonna say myself, it sounds like some kind of chant the snowmen in the background are doing for some ritual inside. Who knows, maybe we’re interrupting them mid-ritual?
      That would be a cool explanation for the fight- at least I think so anyway.

  • @propitiated4
    @propitiated4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Some good ideas, and I agree - while you may not have landed on it with this theory, there is definitely an overarching "mystery" story that MDHR has crafted that is going on between the bosses, waiting to be uncovered.

  • @landonscobee
    @landonscobee ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These videos are what Game Theory should've done on Cuphead. There is so much lore potential with the show and DLC now, and Matpat isn't covering it. And what we did get was a Moonshine theory that has basically been confirmed false with the Show and the Moonshine Mob.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      well sadly I dont have the team and money that mattpatt does but I am trying my best!

    • @cosmic_heartz6480
      @cosmic_heartz6480 ปีที่แล้ว

      What moonshine theory?

  • @ErrorNumber404
    @ErrorNumber404 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That sound is probably Mortimer just giving a good ol’ fashioned cult speech.

    • @yoshiwithhat
      @yoshiwithhat ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah it's "bro you saw who won the football" "uhhhh yeah?" "You lost the bet where's the money" "shoot" *runs* away

  • @ChezburgerGuy
    @ChezburgerGuy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The noise you hear in the lobby is Mortimer announcing the tournament.

  • @Puptoon2022
    @Puptoon2022 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The pattern on the whale’s back resembles Cetus, a constellation seen in December and looks like a whale. While this is a cool Easter egg it can also tie into Hilda who also uses constellations.

  • @TheFirstManEdits
    @TheFirstManEdits ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I got an idea what the sound is! Possibly Mortimer freeze sacrificing one of the members.. that's why there's alot of weird gasps and stuff.. and then that's where that weird laugh comes from.I think this is the devil taking the member or Mortimer freeze. So we know why the devil would laugh. HES F- IN EVIL! But. Mortimer must be a monster.. his true form is that snow flake!He died in it .. came back with the Wondertart that chef saltbaker made possibly then he leaded a cult tricked them into making him into his powerful form again... So he can RULE!!!!

  • @FilmmakeroftheFuture
    @FilmmakeroftheFuture ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I see Chef Saltbaker’s future in the cards! First, all goes well, the quest for the Wondertart, then Chef Saltbaker is not what he seems, and then he loses his bakery, which was sad for him!

  • @thefeintnetwork5429
    @thefeintnetwork5429 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Moonshine Mob lore could be interesting, with the implication of prohibition, and how the flies in Clip Joint Calamity resemble the thugs working under the spider.

  • @maximus4765
    @maximus4765 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mdhr: haha cartoons weird and funny turn into giant moon
    Cuphead fans: deepest lore, truly a masterpeice of worldbuilding

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s all cycle I tell you

  • @AwesomeGuy123
    @AwesomeGuy123 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I usually just go by the Casino Cups, (fan comic), version of Hilda Bergs story. If you haven’t read that part of the comic, I shall enlighten you. Hilda was a pilot who was paralyzed in a crash and she made a deal with the Devil to and the Devil quotes, “Get her back into the sky no matter what.”, so he got creative and turned her into a mechanical being with the ability to take many forms including a moon.

  • @paulsh2071
    @paulsh2071 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mortimer is by far my favourite boss in the game even though I like most of them I really loved all of his phases and animations and the fact that he is a cult leader and has followers cheering for him is funny and I love the arena and the music as well

  • @DarthLiam-gd1wc
    @DarthLiam-gd1wc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The stars on the whales back are very similar to the constellation "Cetus" it might just be a coincidence, but this further connects Mortimer with Hilda berg.

  • @dr.chickenfingers5696
    @dr.chickenfingers5696 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The astral plain and cult theory for Mortimer freeze actually makes a lot of sense. Great video again, pogobro!

  • @minecraftsurvivalist3160
    @minecraftsurvivalist3160 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    During the Mortimer fight, you can hear noises from the cult followers. These are the noises that you can hear when you walk to the boss fight.

  • @thebear8809
    @thebear8809 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I must say, you put a lot of effort into these lore videos. Keep up the good work.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks! they are really fun to make :D

  • @playera1641
    @playera1641 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Actually the whale is supposed to be a constellation based on the real life constellation called Cetus, in another part of history it’s just called a sea monster but in English is just a whale.

  • @darthgatorslimepals2947
    @darthgatorslimepals2947 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think the things you hear at the egg glue is mortimer freeze Laughing when he hears about 3 cups trying to take his sugar cubes

  • @kakomol9339
    @kakomol9339 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the noise from when you approach the igloo could be mortimer's megaphone as in calling out things, since the place we fight in looks like a gladiator arena

  • @xanerisGONE
    @xanerisGONE ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How did I just realize that Mortimer is one of the first bosses showed before 2022?

  • @16-bitpixel74
    @16-bitpixel74 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm still wondering on how Ms. Chalice is alive in the post credit scene-
    Cuphead and Mugman are still there, how's she still there if you still need the Astral cookie to summon her after the end?

  • @original_demonic
    @original_demonic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    During cult indoctrination, they have a step where they show punishment or “withhold the prize” which is what the swords represent. The sun is the prize, the moon is the leader, and the swords are the punishment. This means that if someone goes against the cult, they are given the punishment (here quite literally with three swords), showing how the player is in the wrong (through the cults eyes) because they will never get the prize.
    I think it’s intentional that the thing they’re being promised, a sun, is what would kill the whole snow cult, due to melting. Maybe this is sort of the same type of thing as the ascension types of cult that causes dozens and sometimes even hundreds of people to die.

  • @Punykirby
    @Punykirby ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:19 I think its either the crowd of Snow people getting hype for the fight, as the area looks similar to a colosseum, or its some sort of cult séance
    Something else interesting is how similar Mortimer and Hilda really are
    Both have long noses, both have a pointy headpiece (Hilda's weather vane, and Mortimer's hat), both are rotund in their first phase (Not counting Hilda's Intro appearance) also this may be a stretch, but Hilda gets yellow eyes like Mortimer when in a constellation phase
    You should also take into consideration that maybe Mortimer fully made the cult, we see him make ice shards that attack you, and the snow golem appears not to be alive until Mortimer goes inside him
    He's also fine in the credits after being destroyed
    Mortimer may be able to make snowpeople, so maybe they aren't exactly being used against their will, and they were purposely made to help him in his cult

  • @laotasurfs1110
    @laotasurfs1110 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With the Snow Cult, I feel like it's not just over-board speculation, but you're missing some obvious details:
    1.) The Cult looks less like what we'd now associate with a cult and more like a silly secret society, ala the Royal Order of the Corn.
    2.) The theme of the location is The Arctic, the "Land of the Midnight Sun." The whale is connected to the Arctic, PS.

  • @pandaborg2466
    @pandaborg2466 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was so random but well made so thank you

  • @justiceman3039
    @justiceman3039 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank u, ppl were really under covering this guy. Fav boss in the dlc

  • @yuko289
    @yuko289 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Maybe Hilda Berg is ex-member of the cult or she is the sister of Mortimer. And that sounds are sounds of Mortimer betraying the victim or sounds of sacrifice.

  • @monroerobbins7551
    @monroerobbins7551 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly, yeah, I love lore in games, and when games have bits that just feel too connected, I theorize a lot too, so yeah dude, what you’re speaking of is a mood

  • @JEZ346
    @JEZ346 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The swords are a reference to Darkstalkers it's one of the characters Hsien-Ko attacks the creators of Cuphead are huge fighting game fans there's tons of references from character designs to boss quotes

  • @ThatBackroomsFan
    @ThatBackroomsFan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know this has pretty Much nothing to do with the video, but thanks for using my screenshot showing that boss is underrated!

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      the image was sent to me via dms, where did you post it?

    • @ThatBackroomsFan
      @ThatBackroomsFan ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pogobro Reddit.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThatBackroomsFan I cant find the post, if you can link it I will credit!

  • @doryanmwilliams2278
    @doryanmwilliams2278 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a freemason, a few things stood out to me about this snow cult.
    1.) The buckets they are wearing may resemble fezzes that The Shriners wear, which is a subset of freemasons.
    2.) The Sun, Moon, and Swords have heavy symbology in Freemasonry. Without having to go deeper by what I mean, I recommend you look more into that.
    3.) Probably the weaker of the few, but Mortimer appears to be more of a Grand Master of this cult. It would kinda make sense given that he’s a wizard. Like I said, it’s definitely weaker compared to my two previous observation, but it’s still food for thought.

  • @backfrombanland690
    @backfrombanland690 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    6:01 What about Beppi the clown his whole fight is at night and doesn't coralate with spirits, snowflakes, tarot cards, or anything astral related.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      are you sure about that? ;)

    • @backfrombanland690
      @backfrombanland690 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pogobro I'm pretty confident but I'm open on being proven wrong😉

  • @henrygengar9661
    @henrygengar9661 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The sound at the part when you enter snow cult scuffle might be chef salt baker laughing.

  • @cakicook5873
    @cakicook5873 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2 things that I found. First the star pattern on the back of the whale is a constellation that is supposed to be a whale called Cetus which ties back to the Hilda berg theory. And the sound on the main map sounds like a chant in Latin which I roughly translated to “we guard the realm for us to live”. So yeah that’s my theory.

  • @Pollux11
    @Pollux11 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing I noticed is all the people that Chef asks you to take ingredients from are possibly bad people. A cult, military (war crimes), a wanted bandit, a mafia and then there’s that giant which was a gold mine for greedy elf’s.

  • @jackharpe9699
    @jackharpe9699 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let’s not forget that the buckets that Mortimer casts out at you in the final faze split off into semi crescent moons with a small bump in the middle, likely representing a face or nose

  • @mandybrown5611
    @mandybrown5611 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's also interesting to note that in the 1st phase of the Devil's boss fight where he's sitting in his chair, if you look at the floor where his chair is, there's a sun symbol right there.

  • @natethegreat5968
    @natethegreat5968 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think it might be nighttime during Beppi the clown’s battle

  • @spoopycateatingpopcorn
    @spoopycateatingpopcorn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:18 those are probably the snow cult cheering on a fight

  • @crazygoatanimations3577
    @crazygoatanimations3577 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm guessing that Mortimer Freeze's final form is Him fighting alongside the otherworldly being that the cult worships. I personally call this entity the "Cold Sun" because He is the cold yet sunny counterpart to Hilda Berg's moon form. My theory is that the snowman exploding was required to summon the Cold Sun.

  • @michaelcano5383
    @michaelcano5383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “There isn’t really much lore at all” shows deltarune, a game with super deep, dark, intricate lore

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      exposed

  • @anguskitchin5074
    @anguskitchin5074 ปีที่แล้ว

    bro the cuphead dlc has made you some serious bank dude, respect. u finna boutta make 5k from this vid fr.

  • @eattherich5409
    @eattherich5409 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    having used to work with witches, tarot cards aren't really a ritual item. candles anointed while intention setting, a jar with various symbolic and literal ingredients being buried in a cemetary, using gestures and words to invoke (bringing an entity, diety, etc into your body) or evoke (call on their power without using your body as a vessel), those are more ritual-type things

  • @cutedogsweetsugar
    @cutedogsweetsugar ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sure people have said this already, but I have the artbook, so I can confirm that the building we fight Mortimer in is supposed to reference a Roman Coliseum. I think it gives the idea of a cult conditioned to enjoy fights to the death.
    Things the book also emphasizes is the snow monster's bucket as well as the throne Mortimer starts his fight on. Not sure what it means, but it's clearly important.
    The monster is in fact a reference to The Snowman (Eshbaugh 1933) and the Jack Frost you mentioned before, among other things.

  • @genkoti
    @genkoti ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Theory: Hilda is just Mortimer's daughter.

  • @il-ma.le.
    @il-ma.le. ปีที่แล้ว

    8:01 'whale' is a constellation, and Hilda always shows just one eye because she's turned to the side

  • @TsuriaDragon
    @TsuriaDragon ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Mortimer made those snowmen sense their snow and he has the ability to create anything out of snow. He’s just an lonely guy

  • @superdupercomputer6392
    @superdupercomputer6392 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think the creepy noise when you get there is Mortimer freeze laughing

  • @AINSLEYREGAN1
    @AINSLEYREGAN1 ปีที่แล้ว

    That eerie noise is like Mortimer holding an event

  • @asapcole5129
    @asapcole5129 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In the bebi fight there is a moon in the background that looks like the frozen over moon in the snow cult scuffle fight. Not sure what that means but just thought I would put it out there

  • @LowQualityStuffzies
    @LowQualityStuffzies 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    missed opportunity to make the title "mortimer freeze lore is cold"

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      damn actually goes hard

  • @divinecomedyproductions967
    @divinecomedyproductions967 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the Astral Plane is basically where all the magic of Inkwell Isle comes from, and everyone has some connection to it hence to their abilities. Kinda like The Warp in 40k and Psykers who can tap into it.

  • @williammuirhead6927
    @williammuirhead6927 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The humor in this video is very mossbag-esque. Really enjoyed it!

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      that is a huge compliment thanks!

  • @reallybadgamer2602
    @reallybadgamer2602 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here's a thought, as the invincibility super says that you cross the astral plane might explain why chalice's roll makes her invincible for a second

  • @feepotten8622
    @feepotten8622 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are so smart and good at explaining

  • @TheOneAndOnlyAnt24
    @TheOneAndOnlyAnt24 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love these types of videos!!! Pls don’t stop making them

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks! as long as I can find something to actually talk about I will!

    • @TheOneAndOnlyAnt24
      @TheOneAndOnlyAnt24 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im actually working on some cuphead videos right now should only take a few weeks

  • @swiatowidciesslak6249
    @swiatowidciesslak6249 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's always nice to check good theory.

  • @danielbadescu3064
    @danielbadescu3064 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    man these videos are the best related to this game on this platform

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  ปีที่แล้ว

      wow thanks! I love cuphead, cant wait to see what we get next from MDHR