You are mistaken ? The man behind the Radford is British racing driver Jenson Button ?? The car was on UK topGear and it WAS A MANUAL ?? Check it out !
It's not the same weight. T.50S quoted weight is with all fluids except fuel. Radford weight is dry. Mind you, the T.50 has space for 3, significant storage space, a 12000 rpm engine, actual downforce, and around 100 hp more in VMAX mode. Plus actually comfortable to drive, can take potholes, and sounds insane. The other key element Gordon requires in any of his cars is throttle response, of which the T.50 is likely 3-4 times faster than the Radford. The build quality and materials are miles beyond as well, as reflected in the price. They don't compete at all. The Radford isn't going to appreciate all that much. It's still got a Toyota motor. It has an aluminum Lotus chassis. The GMA will be 5+ million easily in 5 years. You can compare this with the T.33, but even then the cars are very different
I agree with what you're saying. But keep in mind, the large majority of people can barely afford the radford, lettalone the T.50. Back to my point, the radford should be very comparable in terms of the feeling, even though the T.50 will probably outpace it in every category, but with a shorter margin than what people would think (I mean, the GMA is 10 times more money). Overall, either buy is better, imo, than any paddle shifting 5M$ car that the usual normies support. You mentioned weight of the T.50S. That is the Niki Lauda edition which shaves 134kg out of the car. The regular T.50 is 986kg, around a 10kg discrepancy from the Radford. Yes, I agree that the engine will be immense in the T.50, but that doesnt change the fact that it will be expensive to service. The Toyota V6 will be cheap, sound acceptable and deliver almost the same hp, sure with the added drama of the supercharger's throttle latency. 100hp is small potatoes when you factor in the tuning capability of the engine.
@@thetrackbro4800 The T.50 is 986 kg weight with all fluids. The Radford weight is dry. There's 30+ kg difference between the two standards. So 40+ kg difference between the cars. The two cars will feel extremely different just based on the chassis (carbon rigidity and semi structural engine) and engine (throttle response). Also seems the Radford has very harsh suspension in comparison. The Top Gear presenter said he can't fathom driving even 120 miles. The T.50 I can see people driving across entire countries. 12100 rpm means the gearing of the T.50 is shorter. It makes a large difference on top of the weight and the hp difference. Not to mention the T.50 engine isn't as maintenance heavy/expensive to service as you think. It's rated for well over 100k miles before overhaul and has very cheap service costs (oil change, plugs etc). Remember, it's gear driven, no belts to change or chains to tighten. I think Gordon quoted the first service to be far cheaper than I expected, would have to rewatch some videos to get the figures, but it was well under most German luxury car brands
@thetrackbro4800 you are way over your head here I’m afraid. You should do more research before you put out this type of content meant to inform and educate people. To add to @Shadowboots’ great points, The T50 has a bespoke naturally aspirated V12 built by Cosworth. This is the worlds lightest road car V12, with the highest power density (168php per little), highest revving (12,100rpm) and has the fastest pickup time (over 28,000rpm) of any road car engine ever built in all of automotive history! The other is a mass production supercharged Toyota V6 engine. The T.50 has a bespoke carbon chassis monocoque design by Gordon Murray who was the first person to introduce a carbon fibre chassis to formula 1 racing. The T50 chassis is built using formula 1 technology. The Radford is a simple tubular chassis. Then you have the advanced aero of the T.50 inspired by the revolutionary Brabham BT56 Formula 1 winning car designed by Gordon in 1978. Last but not least, the T50 is built by professor Gordon Murray, in my opinion the Michelangelo of motorsport, having records such as the most successful F1 car of all time (Mclaren MP4-4) or the McLaren F1 three seater which is arguably the best sports car of all time, beating all LeMans classes on its first race. Gordon Murray has described the T50 as the improved and debugged McLaren F1, being a little bit better in every respect, and in some aspect much better. The Redford is a coach builder using Button to help develop the car. But he has no experience developing a road car, or even GT race cars for that matter. Then there’s the quality of materials, practicality, ride comfort, capacity to take an extra passenger, etc, etc. These are only some of the reasons why the T50 is 5 times more expensive (not 10 times as you suggested)
@@Shadowboost Ridiculous. Firstly, you blindly believed in Top Gear hosh posh. 986kg is the KERB weight (dry). Same is the 1000kg of the Radford. I believe it, since it's cousins with the lightweight elise platform. I don't trust much they say if they cant even get the weight figures right. and so the "driving experience" is as good as salt to me. That doesn't even consider the fact that the GMA is the same width but only a little longer than that Radford. 10" which will virtually change the GMA's low speed characteristics to be worse than the Radford's. Is that a big difference? Well, it's the difference between my late NB1 stock vs my NB1 without the interior. It's the difference between me pre covid and me post covid. On the subject of maintenance, now you're conflating analogies with numbers. You really think a 5M$ hand-built hypercar will be cheaper to maintain than a C43? I'd love to see you eat your hat, but the reality will never be so. just look at the price of the carbon ceramic rotors on the newest corvette Z06 (Z07). Those are supposed to last 100,000 miles, but they are over 20,000$ to change them. You're telling me the GMA's in-house kit will cost less than this? Just try asking a quote on how much it will be. That would be amusing.
@@ouass1978 If you had watched my video, you would understand that money doesn't grow on trees and that intelligent people make decisions based on practical outcome, and not artistic engineering buzzwords. You just repeated the garbage in the Gordon videos and think you are clever. The argument that I rest in my video is that the two cars would compare similarly in a day-to-day environment, which is virtually true. Gordon would probably eat his heart out if his car was shown beside the Radford. Building such supercar royalty just to have its numbers plummeted by a coachbuilt. The T.50 was 2.3M when Gordon SOLD it to his INVESTORS. the price of the project, as well as the engineers that were paid for the last 4+ years were done so thanks to the arrangement he had with 100 investors ("buyers"). If you cannot understand this, take a business class. GMA is a automotive firm not a carmaker. The real-world price is much more than that, I.E. the price you will pay if you ever wanted one. Whether its 5 times more like in your dreams or 10 times more, the Radford is still the price of a house and the T.50 is the price of a small company. You make the call on which one is worth it in your tiny garage.
You are mistaken ? The man behind the Radford is British racing driver Jenson Button ?? The car was on UK topGear and it WAS A MANUAL ?? Check it out !
you are correct! I made a mistake as the specsheets mentioned the sequential as standard. Check the description!
It's not the same weight. T.50S quoted weight is with all fluids except fuel. Radford weight is dry. Mind you, the T.50 has space for 3, significant storage space, a 12000 rpm engine, actual downforce, and around 100 hp more in VMAX mode. Plus actually comfortable to drive, can take potholes, and sounds insane. The other key element Gordon requires in any of his cars is throttle response, of which the T.50 is likely 3-4 times faster than the Radford. The build quality and materials are miles beyond as well, as reflected in the price. They don't compete at all.
The Radford isn't going to appreciate all that much. It's still got a Toyota motor. It has an aluminum Lotus chassis.
The GMA will be 5+ million easily in 5 years.
You can compare this with the T.33, but even then the cars are very different
I agree with what you're saying. But keep in mind, the large majority of people can barely afford the radford, lettalone the T.50. Back to my point, the radford should be very comparable in terms of the feeling, even though the T.50 will probably outpace it in every category, but with a shorter margin than what people would think (I mean, the GMA is 10 times more money). Overall, either buy is better, imo, than any paddle shifting 5M$ car that the usual normies support.
You mentioned weight of the T.50S. That is the Niki Lauda edition which shaves 134kg out of the car. The regular T.50 is 986kg, around a 10kg discrepancy from the Radford. Yes, I agree that the engine will be immense in the T.50, but that doesnt change the fact that it will be expensive to service. The Toyota V6 will be cheap, sound acceptable and deliver almost the same hp, sure with the added drama of the supercharger's throttle latency. 100hp is small potatoes when you factor in the tuning capability of the engine.
@@thetrackbro4800 The T.50 is 986 kg weight with all fluids. The Radford weight is dry. There's 30+ kg difference between the two standards. So 40+ kg difference between the cars. The two cars will feel extremely different just based on the chassis (carbon rigidity and semi structural engine) and engine (throttle response). Also seems the Radford has very harsh suspension in comparison. The Top Gear presenter said he can't fathom driving even 120 miles. The T.50 I can see people driving across entire countries.
12100 rpm means the gearing of the T.50 is shorter. It makes a large difference on top of the weight and the hp difference.
Not to mention the T.50 engine isn't as maintenance heavy/expensive to service as you think. It's rated for well over 100k miles before overhaul and has very cheap service costs (oil change, plugs etc). Remember, it's gear driven, no belts to change or chains to tighten. I think Gordon quoted the first service to be far cheaper than I expected, would have to rewatch some videos to get the figures, but it was well under most German luxury car brands
@thetrackbro4800 you are way over your head here I’m afraid. You should do more research before you put out this type of content meant to inform and educate people.
To add to @Shadowboots’ great points, The T50 has a bespoke naturally aspirated V12 built by Cosworth. This is the worlds lightest road car V12, with the highest power density (168php per little), highest revving (12,100rpm) and has the fastest pickup time (over 28,000rpm) of any road car engine ever built in all of automotive history! The other is a mass production supercharged Toyota V6 engine. The T.50 has a bespoke carbon chassis monocoque design by Gordon Murray who was the first person to introduce a carbon fibre chassis to formula 1 racing. The T50 chassis is built using formula 1 technology. The Radford is a simple tubular chassis. Then you have the advanced aero of the T.50 inspired by the revolutionary Brabham BT56 Formula 1 winning car designed by Gordon in 1978.
Last but not least, the T50 is built by professor Gordon Murray, in my opinion the Michelangelo of motorsport, having records such as the most successful F1 car of all time (Mclaren MP4-4) or the McLaren F1 three seater which is arguably the best sports car of all time, beating all LeMans classes on its first race. Gordon Murray has described the T50 as the improved and debugged McLaren F1, being a little bit better in every respect, and in some aspect much better.
The Redford is a coach builder using Button to help develop the car. But he has no experience developing a road car, or even GT race cars for that matter.
Then there’s the quality of materials, practicality, ride comfort, capacity to take an extra passenger, etc, etc. These are only some of the reasons why the T50 is 5 times more expensive (not 10 times as you suggested)
@@Shadowboost
Ridiculous. Firstly, you blindly believed in Top Gear hosh posh. 986kg is the KERB weight (dry). Same is the 1000kg of the Radford. I believe it, since it's cousins with the lightweight elise platform. I don't trust much they say if they cant even get the weight figures right. and so the "driving experience" is as good as salt to me.
That doesn't even consider the fact that the GMA is the same width but only a little longer than that Radford. 10" which will virtually change the GMA's low speed characteristics to be worse than the Radford's.
Is that a big difference? Well, it's the difference between my late NB1 stock vs my NB1 without the interior. It's the difference between me pre covid and me post covid.
On the subject of maintenance, now you're conflating analogies with numbers. You really think a 5M$ hand-built hypercar will be cheaper to maintain than a C43? I'd love to see you eat your hat, but the reality will never be so. just look at the price of the carbon ceramic rotors on the newest corvette Z06 (Z07). Those are supposed to last 100,000 miles, but they are over 20,000$ to change them. You're telling me the GMA's in-house kit will cost less than this? Just try asking a quote on how much it will be. That would be amusing.
@@ouass1978
If you had watched my video, you would understand that money doesn't grow on trees and that intelligent people make decisions based on practical outcome, and not artistic engineering buzzwords. You just repeated the garbage in the Gordon videos and think you are clever. The argument that I rest in my video is that the two cars would compare similarly in a day-to-day environment, which is virtually true. Gordon would probably eat his heart out if his car was shown beside the Radford. Building such supercar royalty just to have its numbers plummeted by a coachbuilt.
The T.50 was 2.3M when Gordon SOLD it to his INVESTORS. the price of the project, as well as the engineers that were paid for the last 4+ years were done so thanks to the arrangement he had with 100 investors ("buyers"). If you cannot understand this, take a business class. GMA is a automotive firm not a carmaker. The real-world price is much more than that, I.E. the price you will pay if you ever wanted one. Whether its 5 times more like in your dreams or 10 times more, the Radford is still the price of a house and the T.50 is the price of a small company. You make the call on which one is worth it in your tiny garage.