T.50 VLOG | EPISODE #20 | COSWORTH GMA V12 PRODUCTION
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 will be powered by the world’s greatest road-going V12 engine - the Cosworth GMA V12. Dario Franchitti MBE speaks to Professor Gordon Murray CBE about the intricacies of this amazing engine and the assembly process.
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Was a pleasure being part of the creation of the GMA Cam Covers. Nice to see them on a finished product
People are going to look back at this 50 years from now and drool. This engine (and the AMV) are the ultimate peak of NA combustion engines. Hats off to Cosworth and cheers to the lucky SOBs that are getting one!
Maybe maybe not time will tell
@@allensaunders449 based on red tape and the eco mob this will be the last NA engine from cosworth for a road car based on an all new development
Nah ! Reliability will be crap and we’ll look back and say avoid !! It’s almost impossible to build reliability into niche low volume engines. Secondly most of Cosworths moved to the mercedes AMG company
In far less than 50 years, people will look back at this thing in the same way people look at the Bristol Brabazon and the Evening Star. Yesterday's technology built by people with their heads up their arses - and bought by an ignorant 0.0001% who have yet to learn the meaning of the word philanthropy.
@@Voiceofreason99ify yeah when you build the fastest, lightest, highest revving engine on earth - obviously your main concern is reliability 🤣👍🤡
I've never heard engines such as the Ferrari 812 V12 that only rev to 9000 described as 'cheap and cheerful'! But this thing is a jewel.
when you take it apart that 812 v12 is not really that sophisticated. earlier development of this engines (those in 599) had parts in common with cheap VW
@@hagestad Please enlighten me, what parts had those 599 engines in common with VW?
@@hagestad Earlier development of this engine was in the Enzo. Ferrari makes the engine in house. In the world of watches Ferrari would be considered a Manufacturer because the caliber is designed and made entirely in house like a Rolex or Patek Philippe. GMA wouldn’t be considered in-house.
The Ferrari F140 V12 will probably end up being way more reliable than this Cosworth engine and go to well over 100,000 miles with more horsepower. We will find out soon enough with the Purosangue, because SUV owners put way more miles on their cars.
@@chijen2010 they may be making inhouse engine blocks and tops but electronics/gearboxes/suspension and carbon tubs are not theirs. Same with most brands though.
we are looking at the end of line ICE.... i was honored to be here, in this time frame, and to know this machine.
Thank you Gordon for your undying pursuit of driving perfection. You are a legend kind sir.
Two blokes talking about an engine but you don't want to miss a word. I could listen to Gordon all day!
Exquisite! Cosworth wowed me when they unveiled the DFV, but this is from another world. The world of engineering and production materials and processes have changed a lot in the past 55 years. I remember the issues with the crankshaft for the Chevrolet 454 cid pushrod engine in 1968-69. We had several crank failures on the dyno until we had a solution for production engines. Unlike a drag racer, we could not just drill the counterweights and insert some Mallory metal. Seeing this engine revealed in so much detail just made my day. My hat is off to every engineer who worked on this!
Crunching the numbers on Gordon Murray's T.50 car: with 120 hours per engine and one expert assembling them at 40 hours per week, it takes 3.5 weeks to complete just one engine. This means we can expect a maximum production of around 50 cars a year. Such exclusivity will surely make them sell out years in advance! As word spreads, even those not usually into cars may see the T.50 as a savvy investment.
What's truly remarkable, though, is the T.50's usability and the design philosophy behind it. Gordon Murray Automotive doesn't compromise on quality, avoiding common misconceptions in car design. I can relate, as I also appreciated this approach when I owned a Mk1 VW chassis and maintained its full suspension range.
I'm grateful for the "benefits of industrialization," which have allowed me to own fantastic cars at reasonable prices, like my 1985 E28 535i that I bought for under $5,000. While the T.50 might be out of my budget, I appreciate the innovation and boundary-pushing it represents. Thank you, Gordon, for constantly striving for the best in automotive design!
What a soft-spoken, humble person Mr Murray is, utterly fascinating hearing him explain all the tech details. I could watch these all day
Wonderful insight. Whilst the Cosworth AMV V12 is truly incredible, the Cosworth T.50 GMA V12 is on the next level and the absolute zenith for the internal combustion engine. It is highly unlikely that it will ever be surpassed on so many metrics.
Never say "ever" considering we still have at least, minimum, another 15-20 years of runway for small batch manufacturers to make their swan song ICE engines, maybe even more with synthetic fuels. Those engines will make these engines look like something from 2003.
Simply an astounding achievement all around. Being a card carrying member in The Finer Things Club at the bottom end, this car truly justifies its almost $4 million price tag. Sadly, I'm unlikely ever to see something this special in person. Even so, I am delighted to be alive when it was conceived and created by Dr Murray and his team. Thank you for this culmination of your life's work. What a jewel. The engine internals look like a fine watch.
I misspoke in my comment earlier. I am at the lower end of The Finer Things Club, not this car. This car is an automotive pinnacle of achievement.
It a joy to listen to Gordon. The technicality he describes in every one of his interviews is astonishing.
Gordon is truly inspring and hands down for taking such risks to build a car like this and he succeeded in every aspect. Good luck in further development of the T50. And i think this channel deserves a lot more subscribers.
Thank's for sharing this and giving us a good tour of what these magnificent engines look like inside and out. I have no doubt at all that they will indeed go down in history as one of the most awesome builds from this time. I don't think people will ever stop building engines, just the mainstream cars will not be using engines. That means that the only engines that'll be being built will be great ones like this one and they'll all be built by passionate people who love engines. People always do the things they love better than anything else.
Edit: My god, seeing all those engines together like that took my breath away, and that's not easy to do with me. I'm literally watching someone's dream coming true.
And off she went shrieking with laughter looking down of all those fast but soulless Rimac toasters...GMA boys you make us all proud ✨
Such a cliche comment the souless evs
I expect Gordon knows Mate personally and is already pushing him to develop some ground breaking battery tech for the first GMA dual propulsion car.
@@allensaunders449 yet so true. And then the Rimac stopped to charge for a long time while the GMA owner kept driving. So it’s soulless and useless.
More T.50 content! 🤤 It's been a hot minute
Thanks for these great informative talks and for enabling the mystique of this project to be enjoyed more openly than so many car makers do. Imagine if we had this sort of video from back in the heydays of 50s Jaguar/Mercedes, 60s Ferrari or 70s Porsche with the engineers and designers talking us through their process!
T50 and T33 are already my favorite cars of all time. all the koenig, lambos, ferraris, alfas, i love all of them, but holly god, this very light, tiny and screaming V12 is just perfection.
Gemera, T50 & Bentayga W12 is all that i need !
The GMA automotive story is fascinating to follow and so enjoyable to watch on TH-cam. I can only imagine how excited
The lucky new car owners must be.
Dario is a great compliment for talking about the T50 with Gordon Murray. The preview Gordon did with TopGear's Jack Rix pissed me off to no end since Rix constantly talked over Gordon when he was telling a story or explanation.
Agreed. That guy is a fool.
Dario is a bootlicker
0:23 Hello from Northampton Massachusetts! Mr. Murray, you are a genius. You’ve left an indelible mark on Motorsport and performance vehicles overall. You are an inspiration. Thank you for creating such amazing machines.
Wow. What an incredible engine for its technical capabilities. I learnt a hell of a lot by Mr. Murray on what constitutes a radical V12
Gordon Murray squeezed all years of his experience , and science, mixed them together, and produced a genuine, unprecedented, unparalleled, unmatched, masterpiece.
Beautiful is an understatement, watchmaking precision and attention to detail . Makes you proud to be British. If only the world wasn’t run by fools , accountant’s and corrupt politicians making dictatorial decisions . I have an old DFV block made into a coffee table , came out of a McLaren , has a plaque on it stating it won the Belgian GP in 1982 with John Watson driving it , then it blew up at the Monaco GP , big hole in the side of the block where it threw a rod . Lovely piece of engineering back then . Hats off to all the people involved in this project and even the production of this footage . 🇬🇧👍
Wow, that sounds awesome
These politicians are not dumb, they're dishonest. They're just working for big soul-less conglomerates and don't give a flying f about your health and wellbeing. Both left and right wing are from the same bird. The fact these politicians can own shares in these companies tells you all you need to know. Have a nice day mate.
W O W! I'm in awe right now with the gear taking the motion from the crankshaft to the camshafts I mean the closest I've seen to this is a swiss watch, so clean and so freaking many to work so seamlessly, such a shame that all of that amazing and beautiful engineering has to be covered and hidden away! WOW now it's got me wondering what does Lamborghini use to do that?
A hundred years from now these comments are going to be read..it's amazing seeing this happening.
To those in the future I'm sorry they took away the combustion engines they were even greater than they sounded
I am so happy GM has blessed the next generation with the transparency of this fundamental knowledge. Thank you GM and all of GMA
Pure beauty to my eyes seeing those motors 😍💎💯
What color is Jay Leno's car going to be Mr Murray? I am excited to see these cars tested and driven. That engine and crank is amazing. I bet it has very very low windage through the oil and inertia. If I could afford it I would love to take a Cosworth DFV and have it updated with modern tech to see how much the best engine in F1 stands to gain and build a chassis for it.
Dario Franchitti, possibly the single best person in the world to have as your development driver for a supercar.
Dario had better get the van round, load up Gordon!
Incredible engine, those timing gears looked so polished and perfect. Fantastic engineering.
The top , most advanced masterpiece of arts, culture, and engineering, put together, by knowledge , science, technology, and above all, the touch of experienced master brain .
I would love to see Cosworth spin-off 2.0 L. V-6 & Inline 6 engines from this Fabulous V-12 Cheers Gordon
YES
That engine really is the capstone of internal combustion engine development!
We REALLY couldn't ask for more :)
And everything we will lose having the souless electric environmental myth forced down our throats.
I have recognized my engine! It was the second from left in the first row! 🤣🤣
Can't wait to see more driving videos of the T50.
I'll never be able to afford something like this, but the world is a better place now its here.
What I'd give for them to make something that's more 'affordable' with that engine. My dream set up would be a group 6 type design, track only, and well under 900kg in weight. Such an amazing engine, more people need the chance to experience it.
Pure art. Thanks Gordon to made this masterpiece.
Gordon is such a legend. He’s absolutely building the best performance car ever. The orange cam covers really do look good. I love that they’re metal, how a cam cover should be! Nice one Cosworth, nice one Gordon. 😎
Every gram of the 980kg has been thought out, truely an astonishing collective of minds and materials, I applaud you all.
My 2007 YZF-R6 reved to 16500rpm and had a timing chain and it worked fine
it is absolutely fantastic
Damn I’ve gotten old just looking at Gordon, it literally seems like last weekend I was watching a F1 race in the early 90”s with Gordon staring at the telemetry screen in a Mclaren pit box, great to see the old chap doing well
I was mesmerised the entire video
🏴 love from Scotland 🏴
Genuinely curious as to why the expensive gear driven cam set up was “the only way to go for 12,000 revs.” when motorcycle engines rev way beyond this using cheaper, simpler (and almost certainly lighter) chain cam drives. There’s obviously a good reason Cosworth went this route, but I can’t believe it’s just revs. 15,000-16,000 RPM is standard in 600cc sports bikes, with some of the smaller race reps pushing 18,000+. They all use cam chains. Is it a reliability / longevity thing, perhaps?
You guys need to make the design open source once you're done with producing the car. This is a masterpiece which needs to be preserved.
Investors of gma probably wouldn't like that.
The t50 engine is an epic piece of tech as the t50!
This engine is true nerd gasmic. Any true engineer would have their mind blown by seeing the kind of artwork this V12 is. Cosworth smashed this one out of the stadium. I have to commend them for making not one, but two very different generations of V12s back to back.
We need Jeremy Clarkson visiting Gordon and talking about his T50 and T33 in a 40min odd episode. That would be the best episode of GMA.
Wonderful! That engine is more fantastic than I could ever hope to believe. Thank you so much for this. 🙂
What a treasure Gordon Murray is. What a masterpiece of engineering. If only I was rich 😭
I'm gonna have a t50 , when working hard on the right thing has paid off.
Ah, just found this - going to make a good way to fill in a few evenings.
I watched some interviews where Mr Murray was being interviews about the cars, a year or so back, and the T.50 has everything I'd want from a car - super/uber or not - and avoids all the stuff I'd really dislike in a car.
it's one of the very few modern cars I'd have on my (big win) LOTTO list - strangely enough, Mr Murray has designed another on the list, the T.33.
Just when I was beginning to think we British no longer have anything to be proud of! Thanks Gordon.
Omg hardware heaven! 🥰😍🤩
If I’d have been rich I’d have had one of these over a Valkyrie in a heartbeat 😍👍
Hmmm...🤔 Both have this fantastic Cosworth V12 engine! 3.9l for T.50, 6.5l for Valkyrie! To be fair, I would like to have the Valkyrie for the Track, and the T.50 for the Road and some Weekend Journeys / Road Trip's!😉😎
@@TheChzoronzon T.50 uses titanium valves unlike Valkyrie. More exotic valve angle. There's actually not that much similar between the engines besides basic geometry, and the shared general tech from the company. All the detail work is specific and more advanced in T.50. the Valkyrie engine was developed from the stillborn 3 cylinder subengine for the GT-R LeMans Hypercar. T.50's was based on a 4 cyl development motor
@@TheChzoronzon ? The T.50 engine makes 167.5 hp/L vs 154 for Valkyrie. That's a difference of 8.8%. completely different airbox setup. Head and valvetrain different. Different development starting points/programs. Fully structural engine vs partial.
Different bore to stroke ratio, different compression ratio.
To be fair, if you can afford one of them, then you'd probably get both. XD
nono
It's like a baking show... Here's one we made earlier... good line Dario
great line 😆
I love to watching engine builder you tube channels like Steve Morris Engines, most of those guys build stuff for drag racing they have massive rods and Pistons, bolts everywhere so they can handled massive amounts of boost and torque those engines produce. This engine is so different, it's like a fine swiss watch, it's so delicate and mechanically beautiful.
I wish they were making more. I think exclusivity is important in this rarified air but these cars are going to be worth twice the MSRP before they ever ship and it's CLEARLY going to be an immediate icon. This isn't going to be like the original F1 where they were harder to sell.
I didn't know Cosworth built these. What a work of art. Amazing!
Magnificent....please don't ever give into the soulless EV craze! You will stay the king!
Dear cosworth, please do a V10 to comparably lofty standards, the world need to hear it!
First time I heard them mention Bruce was thinking they were channeling Mr McLaren!😃 I'm sure he would approve.
Honda did radial valve arrangement back in the early '80s on their dirt bike engines for mass production. Very nice piece of kit built on a vast amount of prior experience & knowledge. Very nice indeed.
Rudge motorcycles did it in the thirties.
@@malcolmbennett9381 well said.
What a piece of art. Pure masterpiece.
I've thoughly enjoyed these videos and I could stand and admire the engine all day long and the craftsmanship is fabulous
This part of England is where F1 talent resides. This is beautifully illustrated here in one of the finest engines ever made
Gordon Murray , really, addressed the most critical basic issue . That’s “ EFFICIENCY “ . In other words, “ Low Moment of Inertia “ & “ Light Weight “
I have no mechanical understanding whatsoever and yet I can honestly say I enjoyed this video.
Marvelous Vlog Wow!
9:45 Well damn! That is some beautiful machine work. Now that I've heard it in the actual car, that is one snappy and rev happy engine.
I can't believe how much power is tucked into that tiny package. I'm sure the build costs to build this engine is astronomical and that's why the car costs over 3 million dollars folks! I'm sure the engine alone is 250k a piece or more.
This engine really is a masterpiece and a high point of motoring engineering, form and function
I’ve said it here before. Gordon Murray is my hero. So glad he got to build his T.50. That engine is incredible! Congratulations everyone!
Now, Sir Murray, please get on the T.43 project. My Elises are getting old and there is nothing available to replace them.
I will have the money to buy it one day!
Gordon might not be with us then but we'll keep his ideology alive.
I love how he knows he has upset so many people saying you need 1500kg track monsters to have fun!
100 cars per year might be small but that's what makes it special!
Porshe was the industry leader in upsetting other people, you took the crown! 👑
I want one of these engine sits in my bedroom
Tht would be an amazing job to build all those engines wow my favorite sounding engine if you heard one you know there amazing
its classy union of Gordon Murray and Cosworth. True British.
More of these super technical videos please. I could watch stuff like this all day.
I almost died, cos I forgot to breathe. What a fascinating vid. After all these car vids I was waiting on this one. Many thanks!
I still wonder about the alternate universe where Honda said Yes in the 90s...
What a piece of art though, man I wanna drive one.
Thank the heavens for Gordon, so prod he's English too. Bet the Japs would love to get their hands on one. Nice to see the engines in the different stages, respect & appreciate all the work that a lot of people had sleepless nights over. What an achievement. Love one in my Jag. Just wish they would have said the price too!
@ 8.38, the way Gordon describes the two way inclination of the valves reminds me of in the 60's In technical drawing, I used to to work out the length of an line in the technique called Lines In Space, the line was inclined in two planes, all done by drawing, no calculations. It makes sense to me, I hope I have described it correctly.
rudge was doing this in 1930
radial valves
Amazing engineers AND It’s BRITISH ….
THANKYOU FOR THE LATEST MURRY CONTENT.... WE NEED MORE BABY!!!! 😄😉🤙😃🤟✌️👍😃🤙
There’s one other production engine I’m aware of with a gear driven valvetrain: the Honda F20C from the S2000. 240 hp 2.0L 9,000 rpm redline. Maybe they had to go the gear driven route to get those sort of revs back in the late 90’s during its initial development.
ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE!
Absolutely stunning piece of engineering.
Would love to see (hear) one of the dyno runs!
Thank you for sharing. It is so cool !
Holy God
Incredible.
It's tiny and beautiful! Would it fit in a Seven?
What about pneumatic springs ? isntead of the traditional springs? You can go way beyond 12-13k. Porsche just annoinced they will go in that direction. (Development Carrera gt rev up to 20k)
Engineering art! I’d love a rejected gear to frame and hang on the wall as an example of the art
Love these videos. From an engineering perspective, is there a reason to use regular camshafts instead of pneumatic ones like Koenigsegg's Freevalve?
I think, weight will be an issue. Because not only freevalve itself is heavier. It also requires additional modules.
@@YurBurGer I see. I thought it'll be lighter as it has less parts. A quick Google search seems to suggest 30% weight saving but this might be different with a racing engine. I'd love for GMA / Cosworth to give an official explanation :)
It also may not be fast enough to hit those revs
It would probably take them 10 years to perfect the tech and they would have to create and approve their own patents. Etc. Etc. Pure is faster.
Loved this. What a fantastic build up to the long awaited launch of Gordon Murray’s pinnacle. Can’t wait get mine.
In my dreams
QQ: Has the camless valve drive system stalled? I watched the Koenigsegg video on this method of valve actuation and thought it ideal. Maybe not.
My thoughts too.
Omg I can’t frikkin wait to read the reviews when the T50 is finally released!!! Hurry up and release the car already!!
Best engine ever made from every angle. I would love to have that engine in my living room for the rest of my life to look at and never even drive it.
I have learned a new thing about the F1 from source #1 today. That alone made this video worth a watch.
Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!