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Simulation. The best way to teach children is with images. As for maximizing potential, just do the math. If the world had X amount of Geniuses with a population of one-billion, then there should be seven times as many geniuses today. A genius idea must be combined with men, materials, and Capital or the idea will never be realized. If A.I. replaces workers with robots? Make the robots pay an income tax. Schools should work on the arts and philosophy, or the boredom will cause a lot of suicides.
_How do we best disseminate knowledge to children being born into our world?_
Knowledge Transfer Design (Knowledge Access Design) - a field also in its infancy because it doesn't come from HCI trained UX or Information Designers (a realm that seems dominated by engineers vs creatives). KTD is the intersection of best practices, continuity of Institutional Knowledge, appealing to multiple learning modalities, accommodating the doubling of information, and resisting onslaught of distractions.
As for this particular video, it was very interesting and provocative- something Jordan Peterson has become known for. Since the psychology professor suddenly catapulted into the U.S. spotlight as a result of the November 2017 "Lindsay Shepherd" incident at Toronto's Laurier University, he's been instantly and relentlessly claimed by the alt-right as "one of us". I find that unfortunate since Peterson had long before deemed himself to be the classical "liberal"- not the same as politically liberal- and his powerful mind and fast argumentation methods are now mistakenly positioned as "pro-Trump", anti-leftist and a MAGA "return to decent norms" in America.
Thanks for posting this video.
How to best disseminate knowledge to children? First develop what is required to learn as a basic like reading (learn phonics), writing with a fundamental understanding of English and its structure, and math. Drill these subjects into kids and forget all that diversity and gender nonsense. That does not develop minds to think creatively and analytically. On that point, recognize that not every child has the same ability so it's more important to recognize the different abilities of each mind and if there is a learning disability (dyslexia, ADHD ect) but don't rule out these kids in their ability to learn. Not everyone can be athletic, throw a baseball or football or hit or catch. Not everyone has musical talent to play an instrument but given an opportunity, how many can learn these skills. Start with the basics and continue with the basics through 8th grade or even HS. For some, let them learn to fail and try again.
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The J word . the new hate speech
The average person thinks they are above average.
Lol
Dunning kruger
@stephen stewart It's hard to argue with an intelligent person,
but it's damn near impossible to argue with a stupid person.
The epitome of being a being in this world, stay positive, keep your chin up, think big, go for it, success, success, success etc etc then oh "you think your above average but your not"
Sunny shah bro I’m retarded as shit. Im under that bitch
The most terrifying IQ statistic: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
- George Carlin
Ironic. That isn’t an IQ statistic
@@LachlanTyrrell2003 Whatever
@@PianoGesang It's fine lol. The scary thing is that everyone relates to this quote.
Pretty funny to think about half of people being below average, even if it's simply the definition and the logic behind math ;)
The bell curve is real
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Here is a treatment from World War 2:
"I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief."
Enzensberger, Hans Magnus; Martin Chalmers (December 1, 2009). The Silences of Hammerstein. USA: Seagull Books. p. 87.
Quote by this guy:
Kurt Freiherr von Hammerstein-Equord (26 September 1878 - 24 April 1943) was a German general who served for a period as Commander-in-Chief of the Reichswehr/German Army. He was an ardent opponent of Hitler and the Nazi regime"...
I took an online IQ test last week. But the real IQ test was given after the questions were asked. They asked for $20 for the results.
So what were the results? I took that test, but my mom wouldn't give me $20.
he didn’t pay because he felt that would be stupid to pay for it, that was the point of the comment
There’s a lot of fake tests out there that just wring people out of money. I took 3 IQ tests, each issued by a university, and had to pay beforehand. To me that was a reasonable way to get a good estimate on my IQ.
@@thebubbacontinuum2645💀
@@thebubbacontinuum2645look online paid IQ tests are way too easy, you wouldn't actually want to make your customers upset by telling them they're borderline imbecile and when it comes to intelligence people are are too sensitive.
The closest test I took online was a challenge test provided by mensa. You could try that but then again if you are obsessed to find out what your score is, try taking it from professionals.
Story on humility: I got an extremely high aptitude score on my military entrance test. I was told I could choose just about anything that didn’t require a master’s level degree . I chose a fairly low barrier to entry occupation for the bonus. I worked with guys that seemingly weren’t that bright but they could take things apart and put them back together without even looking at the manuals. Meanwhile I struggled daily to barely pass. Though I tested off the charts I was the stupid one. I was out of my element and they were naturals in theirs.
I don’t believe you. Nothing about a “masters level degree” has anything to do with entry into the service. Talk about stolen valor…..
@@FISHH00KS Correct. It’s not a barrier to entry for service but it is a qualification for certain military occupational specialities. If you want to be a military chaplain you need to have a graduate degree. If you want to do anything medical above being a medic you need a degree in the relevant field. As a matter of fact if you just want to even be a basic officer you need to at least have a bachelor’s. I was told I had my pick of anything, that didn’t require any qualifying degrees. I served from 2009-2015. Stolen valor? If I wanted to do that I would make up that I was awesome at my MOS. Not awful at it. Please be cautious when you make that kind of accusation.
None of those guys had an IQ below 83 though.
@@McTaco You' must have a low IQ. I spent near 30 years in the Army and nothing you write makes any sense. People with a low IQ don't know they have a low IQ because they have a low IQ.
@@69butternut. correct. It was a story on humility. I thought I was over qualified for the job because of a higher score. When in fact I was the idiot.
I had a teacher who said, "Some people are smarter than others, that's okay. We shouldn't judge people because of that but we can't pretend everyone is the same"
smart teacher.
Has he/she gotten fired yet for being a “divisive bigot”?
SW Kohn I put it into quotations as a jab. Your teacher is correct. I would be surprised in the current social climate that administration is ok with that idea being taught.
@@robertbeal1307 👌 No hard feelings. He's a religion teacher and didn't teach it as a lesson but just said it.
@@robertbeal1307 wouldnt be surprised tbh
All opinions aside, I can't stop laughing at the fact that roughly 1 in 10 people disliked this video 😂😂😂
1 in 10 who chose to judge.
@paneri prateek i replied to the original comment btw.
That's good XD
Those numbers don’t lie!.
Awesome
I love how he just says it honestly "You can't do it".
That is the hard truth, intelligence is either there or it isn't, it isn't something you earn or grow or anything like that. Education and intelligence are two completely different things and people pushing the narrative that you can increase your problem solving ability, or become more creative are misguided and I applaud Peterson for being truthful and blunt about it.
I mostly agree with Peterson. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. However, I do NOT believe that problem-solving and creativity skills cannot be improved, IF YOU HAVE THE INNATE INTELLIGENCE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TRAINING. I was just working one of the Scientific American Martin Gardner math puzzles and was reminded once again how taking things apart and looking at them from different perspectives aids in problem solving. In short, making use of your innate problem solving or creative abilities advances them. It's not markedly different from practicing any activity.
@@kurtamesbury6679 That's what's so funny about people who give all these societal explanations for why X demographic has lower test scores, more violent, etc. Your genetics is like a potential bar, and if you get a normal life and normal resources you'll develop to 95% of your potential it in the overwhelming majority of cases.
Think about a sunflower. With perfectly controlled soil, temperature, sunlight, water, it still won't grow above 10 feet, because the genetics of the plant don't allow it to develop further. That's what Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein, authors of "The Bell Curve", found in 1994. If you give that certain "oppressed" demographic more money, better resources, better school, etc, their average IQ improves. But it's the LOWER QUARTILE that improves, not the upper quartile. In other words, their average IQ goes up, because the bottom 25%, the ones who genuinely aren't getting enough nutrition or have such terrible school that they can't learn a thing, are improving. But even better food and instruction doesn't make their "best and brightest" any better, because their genetics do not give them the same potential that the "oppressors" have in their genes.
User agree totally
It's shocking how hard it is to make some people understand that you can develop one's intelligence potential, but you cannot "train" people to become "more intelligent".
Because it's genetic, it's like trying to change your height or your skull shape
@@lotsaspaghettimamaluigi yet they tell ppl “just work harder”
@@TheTiredhermit yeah it's bs, some people can work really hard and never get anywhere soleley because they aren't smart enough or don't have connections or just aren't lucky. There's people that can work half as hard as the average person and end up much more successful, that's just life I guess.
@@lotsaspaghettimamaluigithat's why we got communism, comrade
@@lotsaspaghettimamaluigiand its training. But not at adult age either, as often said by chronical deniers of reality. In our world, upbringing is very important and ppl dont realise the importance of a nuclear family to develop a good iq
For reference a dude in Congress just said “amen and awomen” after a prayer
The 1 in 10
There's many boxes of rocks in Congress
He had an IQ of 8 not even 83
At least he's not congress critter Hank Johnson, who thought Guam could tip over from having to many troops on one side. Now just imagine how dumb the average voter is in there voting district. To add insult to injury, this was 10 years ago and he's been reelected twice after showing just how dumb he is.
Holy Shit.
My father was an air traffic controller in the Navy for 20 years. He once told me, “I thought I knew some stupid people there, but then I went to work at the post office.”
Thats crazy. I'm an Air Traffic Controller in the Navy.
@@Morrow1158 Wow, that's crazy, I am neither an Air Traffic Controller, or in the Navy! What are the odds of that!
Probably the Post Office doesn't have the 83+ IQ requirement...
the post office? THATS WHERE I GET MY MAIL FROM! well sometimes.
@@newwavepop Woah, really ? That’s crazy are you high or something ???
My older brother was a 25 year National Guardsman who worked his way up to Sargent Major and did a critical war zone deployment. Any time we talk about the fact that I had spent a short time looking at joining during early college - he always tells me it was incredibly good that I didn't. His unemotional, businesslike response is that I was far too intelligent, too emotionally sensitive, and that my instinctual need to have things make sense would have been an utter disaster. Those were apparently all major detriments the second you stepped off the bus at Basic Training. 🤣
Makes sense. I’ve always felt regimented stuff like that would be a total crap show for me.
I know someone who joined the army at 19. After he was pulled into the showers and covered from head to foot in black boot polish because it was his birthday, he realised it wasn't the place for him and managed to get himself discharged after just a couple of months.
It's Army. You would've been better off joining the Corps or...ugh...Air Force.
Almost vomited in my mouth saying that, albeit it would be an option for a smarty pants.
That is precisely why I didn't stay in.
Empathy can be very self destructive.
I can confirm this. I’m in the military, we had to kick out some people who can not follow instructions. Like they tried but they just can’t adapt
Is really the iq the problem in not be able to follow instructions? My iq should be higher then 83, but im unable to, but that comes from my lack in concentration ability, my overwhelming anxisnous in social situations and everything connected to adhd.
@@ArtToCopeWith Both situations can be disqualifying, whether it's purely a low IQ or a selection of mental barriers, the result is the same, you can not follow basic instructions.
@@MacEwanMouse My ability to do theoretical works is a bit above average, I have always understood math and technical topics and also languages and other things are okay up to good. But my practical skills are horrible, Im super slow, lose patiance rapitly and it always becamomes a messi ugly work. Unfortunatelly, my social skills are the most limitating skill, I simply can not connect with anybody, Ive never had frinds, and Ive had physical problems as well, with my back and with obesity even if it becomes better now. So I can say, the focus modern conservatives lay on IQ is a bit exegerated, for my problems, and conservatives hate what I am, IQ is the least problem.
@@ArtToCopeWith The fact you were unable to comprehend what I had written is telling.
It reminds me of my music class in high school. At the start of every year the teacher would have us do clapping exercises, to identify those who can follow a simple rhythm and those who couldn’t. Tho ones who couldn’t would play with crayons. She knew it was pointless teaching them an instrument.
We had a lot of very, very stupid people in my school.
This reminds me of my favorite Homer Simpson line: " Why is it that things that only happen to stupid people keep happening to me?"
Great quote.
I had that as an email sig for a while; GREAT quote ;-)
Those shows are a gold mine for highlighting human nature.
@@burstcity3832 God, no doubt.
@@frederickbangs8123 And yet it is literally... a stupid question. ;)
I never lose. I'm always a winner, that's why my results say " IQ number: 1"
Sorry to tell you bud, but the fact that you typed that in grammatically correct English, without spelling mistakes, is enough to show me that you probably have an IQ much higher than one.
You lying scumbag.
Nice job.
Your IQ at least 70, stop lying
dear Teh... yeah, first I felt like you want to fish compliments for looking EXTREEEEMLY inferior... but okay now I get you were joking ;) :P
@@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 no problem dude ahah
There was a study that found that people with cognitive limitations or some mental illness often do a bit better in “rural village” culture than in first world cities or suburbs. Partly, because in villages there were still many vital tasks/jobs they can still handle, like picking up sticks in the wood s and selling them for firewood, carrying water, planting, etc. whereas in the US and other developed countries, even the lowest level jobs are pretty difficult, with many skills, at a fast pace and requiring good social skills (the McDonalds drive-thru).
Exactly. The "modern society" has no place for lower intellectual levels. It also has fewer and fewer places for "loners," who do not integrate well into complex social situations. The bachelor farmer, the cobbler in his little shop---gone.
I mean, this assumes that rural areas are a type of "second" or "third" world. Rural areas in the West aren't slums - people have running water, for crying out loud. No disrespect to the slums. And gardening is actually very difficult, every plant has different soil requirements, water needs, optimal seasons for planting, etc.
Did the study account for this?
What nobody is mentioning is that black Americans have an average IQ of 85.
my time in the military helped me a lot for the working life, to create a life for me, to take over reaponsibilites....he's so on point with that
As I get older, I can't help but suspect modern society's continual avoidance in acknowledging uncomfortable facts will result in our undoing.
Such a vague comment, ok Shakespeare , you wanna build on that thought a little more?
It's vague but it's a good point. We like the beautiful lies and choose to ignore the inconvenient truths.
@@johncarlson6472 honestly, looking at all sides of the argument isn’t even a “smart” thing to do, it should just be common fucking sense. I just don’t get why more people don’t do that. Then again, 1 in 10 people might do just that. My only comfort watching this is that IQ is itself a bit of an inaccurate measurement for intelligence, especially since “intelligence” is rather poorly defined. I believe the future to this issue is removing the word “stupid”, as it’s popularly defined, since very few people are completely incapable of doing anything in society. In fact, we’ve already found a use for them: stacking shelves. It all sounds so sterile and cruel to look at people like that, but for now at least, I can’t see another way.
Because the issue is that there is no solution to the problem
Wow. You’re pathetic
Acknowledging you don't know everything is a great start.
@channel break Theres no such thing, even if you were immortal it would take a while.
You can’t know everything even when you’re immortal because you’ll reach a point where you will forget other stuff when you take in new information
channel break when did the universe begin
@@Miloeren12 Which one?
@channel break ok
At 14 I took an IQ test and got 126. It meant nothing to me because I didn't understand what that meant. Now that I understand, it's frightening to think that most people fall under that because I don't feel smart at all.
yeah ur real cool
It is interesting to not that although the human brain weighs only a few pounds - maybe 2% of your body weight, it consumes around a third of your daily calories. Once you understand this, it becomes clear both why the human brain has so many ways of making creative and new processes into rote ones that require no thinking (copy a hundred sheets of paper one at a time at a copy machine and you'll see it happen in real time) but also why so many humans simply CHOOSE not to think much. Anyone who has sweated out a truly difficult mental process over hours knows how exhausting mental labour can be even when you are physically completely stationary. And it's sad but true that most people are out-of-shape, in this way as well as others. I've met people who brag about how they have cultivated their ignorance and work hard at not thinking so they don't stand out from the crowd. It's an uncomfortable place to be, in more than one way.
Yeah, you don't have 126 of IQ.
126 isnt even very high so nice humble brag thats not even impressive
@@VictorStevens-lv4zp 95th percentile.
I have worked with individuals who had cognitive impairments, some from birth, some from injury due to accident or war. They were not problem solvers, but could perform routine tasks proficiently once thoroughly trained and if the job had little to no curve balls they would often make less mistakes in these rolls than their higher intelligent counter parts because they didn't get board and distracted as often.
These people can provide value in a physically productive sense but socially we expect them to be able to handle all of the complexities of modern society as higher functioning individuals do.
You worked with yourself?
But what will happen to them with the rapidly advancing robotics and AI ......
@@callmebigpapayou could say that about almost any job lmao
Physical jobs should actually be harder to replace, since other type of work can just be simulated in a computer without any "robot" and things to set up / pay physically,
@@ProgZ I think you are totally right AI will take white collar jobs first .....but AI powered robotics will come for manual laborers soon enough. Depending on your age you really shouldnt be laughing.....some estimate are 1/2 of the ~700 job types will cease to exist for humans and 70% unemployment. What does a society like that look like ?
@@callmebigpapa I'm a dev going into deep learning so don't worry about me
About manual labor jobs :
- Robotics can come, but at what price? We don't have infinite ressources, and really complex robotics are expensive, so even if some jobs *could* be replaced, I don't think they would because of the price and the quality of work going with it
- New jobs will also be created (we need people to ensure AIs behave correctly in the work environment, and it takes time)
- I think that may be similar to the industrial revolution, as in "machines came and replaced people".. but as we can see, it (arguably) only made the world a better place
If some jobs are replaced, people will just find other jobs
You don't think about being a bowling pin setter, an ice cutter, a Lamplighter, a human computer, a telegraphist, a punch card operator..
I think people will adapt, and even if it gets replaced, it might get the country wealthier and could potentially give rise to universal revenue
I've been in the military and let me tell you that their are defiently people who have an IQ of less then 83 in there.
Stormtrooper PT-1991 all the inflatable sheep can confirm this as well.
there* are definitely*
They're smart enough to _play_ stupid and avoid work....
dieselscience if that ain’t the truth.
Dad, I was in the military. I have seen that actually happen... :) .... and the E-4 mafia is real.
well my IQ is 84 so I'm in the clear
Go get that mustang
Not even close
Cute.
Hahaha..I'm pretty sure your iQ much higher than that
@@fieldnegro4684 hey bro what's your IQ? I took wais and it came out 80. They said its borderline
i actually didnt know this about the US military. But it immediately makes me think of starship troopers. Neil patrick harris is in the movie, and very smart. He lands an extremely high position in the military right off the batt merely from an intelligence test. While rico lands in the mobile infantry. Very efficient tbh.
I have my own terrifying IQ statistic. Twenty years ago, my IQ was 114. I took the test again five years later and my IQ was 129. The next time I took the test was just a few days ago. My IQ is now 102. Now, that's scary.
That’s crazy
+&- 15 is within the error. Usually iq test score gives you a score and tells you what the confidence zone is.
Your IQ may be getting lower but your memory is pretty damn good. Remembering your IQ test 20 years past? Damn
I believe environmental factors play big roll in the end result, is a person tired, or are they dehydrated, etc etc etc........I done one once scored pretty well got drunk a week later (hammered) scored 83................
@@michaelconroy9975 first off a competent administrator would not allow you to sit the test if you appear drunk or otherwise impaired. that's like testing a chemical that you know has been adulterated. the test results are corrupted from a corrupted dataset.
second of all, they have examined the effects of "test anxiety" etc (the effect of the state of mind on the outcome) and have dismissed the claim.
for instance, one common item on an IQ test goes as follows: the subject sits in front of a panel with five buttons corresponding to five light bulbs, with their finger starting the test pushing down on a sixth button right in front of them. when a lightbulb lights up they take their finger off the button and press the button of the lightbulb that just came on. the time elapsed between the light turning on and the finger coming off the starting button is what gives you the IQ data. they found that test anxiety etc could not account for consistent IQ gaps on an item such as this because students who took their finger off the button slower (the IQ measurement) moved to push the other button at the same speed or faster (an incidental quick twitch muscle measurement). the idea that test anxiety was affecting them one moment and then ceased to affect them the very next moment, and that affect can only be observed on the part of the test that directly measures IQ, is clearly absurd. the far more realistic explanation was that they were simply slower to process the information (lower cognitive capacity.)
The most eloquent and intellectual way I've ever heard anyone say "you can't fix stupid".
drameday That is an absolute FACT man
Leda Blue, You think I have access to JP to ask your conspiratorial questions? I don't. And even if I did, I most assuredly wouldn't be asking your question. Go put on your tinfoil hat. By the way, agreeing with someone's viewpoint on a given subject does not make someone a "fanboy".
Leda Blue, for your problems with the banking system: The solution is easy, don't give them your money if you don't like the product. Or in other words, just don't deal with them.
and you say OUR rulers. that is the collective that decides about who is ruling and how much are they ruling. And now think about it, if 10% of the people are even to stupid for the military, how good are they in deciding? And even the people that are good enough for the military, with an IQ of 85 they are not really bright stars...
If I may add an interesting anecdote or two: in the 70's a member of MENSA won BBC's Mastermind. He was a cabbie. On the other hand, Pete Waterman was an illiterate of low intelligence (officially). He left school at 14 and got a lowly job on the railways. He started playing records in youth clubs for a small fee.. He progressed and in the 80s became Britain's most successful record producer. The last I heard he owned two railways: one commercial and one he has for fun in his garden. As you can imagine, his garden is rather large.
intelligence is not measured in what job you have or if you can read. there is much more to it, like your anecdotes tells us..
the problem in a state are not the intelligent people who are just work in normal jobs, the problem are stupid people who think that they know everything.
I think the sound tech for this talk had an IQ less than 83
He couldn't get into the armed forces, that's why he's the tech guy. xD
Maybe he was deaf and he'd chosen the wrong line of work.
@@cryptidian3530 duh
lmao
I have an IQ of 147 but I have horrible hearing. Most people think I am plain stupid. It’s quite comical to see how they act toward me. They act superior. I can tell them exactly how the whole hearing mechanism works starting from sound to the brain. But eh it doesn’t bother me.
I scored a 96 on my asvab and was bored to tears in the military. I couldnt stand conversations with most people. Most people talked about what they were missing and the bs jobs they have to do on a daily basis. Most of the conversations were, mostly, never constructive. This makes a lot of sense.
What did you do in there and what branch?
@@DubbaLubbaB 17C - Cyber Operations
@@rab46290 Cool stuff.
@@DubbaLubbaB sorry i didnt answer which branch. I was in a hurry earlier. Army.
@rab46290 You're good. I knew off of "17C" which is how MOS's are written over there.
Thank you!!! I really needed to see this!!! 🙌👏👏👏❤🔥
Reminds me of an old joke. "What do you call a Marine with an IQ over 70?
A platoon
Dead.
Sounds like a lame joke from an army pogue.
@@trollanonymously2434 i can make you feel pretty good... do you wanna feel good?
I gotta tell that joke to my dad! He’s former marine and I’m army...
@@trollanonymously2434 Navy
My best friend growing up had a severe learning disability, and didn't really grasp most things. I doubt his IQ was above 83, the last time I saw him he was a crane operator making good money and could move that thing like an extension of his body. IQ is a relative score for your intelligence on how you would handle any arbitrary topic on the average, but not in the specific, meaning you can still be well below average some ways, and well above in others.
Being a x crane driver I can confirm many of them are sub 83 IQ lol
@@MrTangolizard which only proves that wealth is no measure of a person. I've heard crane operators make great money. Yet some people idolize wealthy people for wealth alone. I guarantee there are many trustfunders out there with sub 83 IQ's. Some of their families have bought them degrees at highly touted institutions, handed them empires, and now they've become fixtures in our "leadership" with wealth being their only true merit. Its sickening.
@@famco1085 I was a crane op in the uk and yes you can make good money but unless u want to live in a major city you will have to travel and construction is a very unstable income in the uk agency workers have destroyed any sort of security I guess it’s different in the USA were u have more Union control but plenty of low IQ people make good livings and can be some of the hardest working people out there I will say however when they deviate from there life it all goes to shit very quickly because they tend to just be good at that one thing and struggle to adapt
Your friend might just as well have a great difficulty to learn and perform well in the specific school system that he was in. But he could do well in other circumstances.
It is a rather long time now that, on this matter of intelligence, we accept that there are more than one kinds of intelligence.
-- There is mathematical intelligence, that makes you good with logic and abstract thinking.
-- There is motion intelligence that might make you an excellent dancer. Or a good machine operator.
-- Emotional intelligence enables you to be very good at personal relations. It is one of the necessary aspects that make a leader.
-- Understanding the tones and variations of language communication might make you a good analyst. Or a poet. Or an author.
In any case, I am very, very well aware how much low educational background is NOT the same as intelligence. And also, low social status is NOT the same as low intelligence. Dirty and cheap clothes, tired from work and poverty, hesitant with people of middle and high class, is NOT the same as low intelligence.
Crane operators in Australia can make over 100K annually easily, even on mid sized cranes. Plenty of crane operators make 130 or 150K annually doing FIFO work.
Peterson is right. We talk about critical thinking, but not everyone is capable of critical thinking. You can’t train “potential for understanding knowledge” into people.
Jordan peterson is a whack, critical thinking isnt a sole task, its commitment to understand everyones role everyones thoughts its sharing amongst many people add probability and selectivness then you can strip out so much information from crowd that have been selected and randomized. Critical thinking is a way to motivate people into atypical thinking to mot neglect their potential for being critical and for being seen as a critical person. You cannot dismantle people who are and who arent critical with their information, we fiddle with chances, 50/50 is best way we think avoiding large chunks of neglected information
@@blueskinblonde7230 What?
Critical thinking comes with a fully developed brain. We are starving our brains when we don't eat real red meat on a regular basis..
Every time I turn around, I learn yet another piece of useful information from this man to improve how I run my business.
What do you do?
@@alvarorubenvera5915 I solve problems.
My last IQ result was 142 and I'm 30, unemployed and living with my parents. Life is great.
What is your profession?
Daniel Santana Science on IQ is nonsense peddled by junkie rehab con man Peterson to have us believe smart people run things. But we live in the world. Our whole economic system based on the assumption of eternal growth in a world of finite resources, is dumb. No one can tell us that the likes of our semi-literate President and teen billionaire business woman, Kylie Jennings are successful based on IQ
Maybe you should join the military.
Daniel Santana do you have serious impulse control issues?
Daniel Santana your test was flawed?
When I got out of college I thought I was above average in intelligence...It took 20 years for me to figure out I’m average. :(
College increases education, not intelligence. :-)
Being average is the best though.
@@aureliagolden3038 Yeah, then everyone likes you :-).
In the words of Oscar Wilde: "For every success you achieve you create a new enemy. To be well-liked you have to be mediocre".
If college did that to you back when they actually taught something, imagine what its doing to today's youth now that everyone gets a trophy.
Yes, but you're probably quite bright if you can figure that out!!
Creative and adaptive problem solvers will most likely become leaders. These are traits that you are either born with or you'll never have them. I worked in the machine shop with guys that mentored me. Most are now gone with nobody coming up to replace them. This is a problem in many industries, today. Currently, in my state, the average age for a electrician is 41 y/o...
Use multiple types of testing to find out what their aptitude is, to identify which portions of an IQ test are strong and weak, and assign tutoring for those areas. Have students take the comprehensive questionnaire that college students take to identify what their best career options might be.
What's scary is that when he says 1 in 10, he's approximating. The actual way IQ is defined, an IQ of 83 or below is defined as the bottom 12.85% of human society - more than 1 in 8.
He said IQ down to 83 AND NOT lower. You assumed 83 AND lower. That's why you're 20% off.
That said, humans are getting smarter every generation (estimated 1-3% smarter). This is reflected in the IQ test constantly dropping in rating. A person tested for an IQ of 80 today is much much smarter than a person tested for an IQ of 90 from 30 years ago. Some little detail mr. Peterson conveniently left out to fit his narrative. An IQ test determinate what your intelligence is compared to everyone else who took the same test. NOT a different test, past or future. Different tests are incomparable, someone with an IQ test score of 80 is smarter than someone with an IQ score of 81 from 5 years ago. It's all about the rating.
@@JOhnDoe-nl4wj Actually the very first thing he says (after settling on his sentence structure) is "you can't induct anyone into the armed forces if they have an IQ of less than 83", so yeah, it is all scores from -∞ to 83 (or at least -∞ to 82, which hardly makes a difference)
While you're correct in that an IQ score from fifty years ago and one from today are not apples to apples comparisons of absolute intelligence, they are equivalent measures of an individual's intelligence relative to the rest of human society at the time of testing, which means both someone with an IQ of less than 83 today and someone with an IQ of less than 83 from fifty years ago both are/were in the bottom 12.85% of their respective societies in their respective generations.
@@xingyushui7632 @Xingyu Shui Hold up. If we talk about "less than 83" do we talk about full digits or percentage?
Because jumping from 82 to 83 does actually make a difference, since the IQ scale is a bell curve.
A 82 would mean 11,5% rather than 12,85% that is more than 1%. Quick math tells me it's 8,7ish people out of a hundred. And since we usually don't fracture whole people we can say 9 out of a hundred. Honestly 9/100 or 1/10? Especially for a quick explanation, no point to argue?
Right about the second part (if 83 and lower, not lower than 83). The core statement still stands, tho.
Personally, i think this tells us something about the military's capability of teaching people, rather that the capability of the person in question.
Like we said, it doesn't say how smart a person is, just where they rank.
Wrote a lot, sorry 'bout that. Cheers.
About 13%? HMMMMM where have I heard that percentage before...
@@JOhnDoe-nl4wj you messed up you maths big time boy. 11.5% means 11.5 out of a hundred. 12.85% means 12.85 out of a hundred. 1/10 would be 10% and 8.7 out of 100 would be 8.7%. Can happen to people but it‘s an odd mistake especially considering your condescending tone.
I have no idea what my IQ is and that’s quite terrifying. I might actually be a moron.... which would explain why I certainly feel like one sometimes.
Smart people tend to be more self critical than actual morons. No need to worry I think you’re good.
B M sadly its ridiculously much more complex than that, and the more you accept it the better
To recognize your own stupidity takes intelligence. Truly stupid people don't know they are stupid....
Feeling like a moron generally indicates you are not a moron. I know what my IQ is in three states, depression, normal and elevated. the scores go up the more seratonin I have flowing. When I'm depressed I have so much doubt and when I'm elevated I have none. I wonder how many others with a more average mood swing have their iq scores affected.
That should be understood, if true that confidence or lack of confidence may affect your score, after all it is a test.
With that vocabulary, no
As I've noticed. You either can do something or you cant. And that becomes more pronounced the higher in complexity you go.
The old ways of putting certain people in the military to teach them discipline over having them rot in prison was alot more positive.
Today I learned 10% of the population can not be helped even when you try to help them. Time saved.
this is surely fact because Peterson helps everyone ... sure!
You know whats worse, that feeling you get when you realize that those 10% are participating in voting not that it makes a difference when a system is not executed like its intended to do
@@chorro9363 that isn't terrifying at all! smart people came up with voting. So why would you be scared of people exercising their rights because they might be dumb? does being dumb make you any less of a person?
To be fair IQ is a flawed measure that can’t possibly encompass all of what it means to have intelligence so it’s probably less than 10% but there’s definitely people like that, before modern medicine they didn’t stick around long enough to worry about how we integrate them lol
@@statistics2143 - That was the whole thing about the industrial revolution. Factory workers actually destroyed the machines to keep their jobs. Here is the thing about machine replacing people. The smart people will have a job because they build it. The skilled people will have a job because they fix it. The unskilled people will be heading home.
Jordan has just stated that, “You can’t fix stupid.”
i swear i heard the same thing lol
Alcoholic Comedian Ron White says "You can't fix 'tupid."
Yep. Pretty much. To his credit, he also delves into the 'why'.
Pretty much. Your brain is wired a certain way. Certain people are just fucked from birth.
I worked with stupid in the military and at my other work. They are very counter productive. One slip through the cracks and became my boss for a short period, I literally need to do everything for them. They basically cant wipe the own butts and they were mean about it too. Once stupid people have any power they become tyrants and they project too. They call everybody stupid losers, but they are in fact dumb losers. My former boss try to renew his contract, but they didnt want him because he was so counterproductive.
I remember a pro-forma course report for a Pvt. It's always the same statements, (If you pass. "recommended for employment as...") followed by a recommendation on the level of supervision required of the individual as he is employed following the course. That one went "Pvt Bloggins is recommended for employment as a machine gunner, with increased supervision."
I've said this for years, some people cannot be trained.
And there's always someone smarter than me.
I was in the US Army from 1966 to 1971, the height of the Viet Nam way. The system may have changed, but back then, the Army used what was called a GT Score in lieu of an IQ score, although I suppose the two indicators correlated some. Back then, the cutoff score was a GT of 70. I know, I was an officer (MOS 1193), and had access to personnel folders, and I can tell you that there were jobs for the low end troops. I had a guy who came from an Island off the South Carolina coast. He spoke native Gullah, which almost no one could understand, and his English wasn't really that understandable, either. This kid was so slow, that to give him a M-16 and send him into the bush would endanger himself and every other trooper in the general area.
What did the Army do to make him a useful, productive trooper? The Army made him a cook's helper, and he served food in mess lines. He was happy to be out of the suck. The Mess Sergeant was happy because he caused no trouble to, or for anyone, and the troops were just happy to be getting fed. The Army got 100% out of the kid. He did his 13 month tour and rotated back to the World. The only problem I ever saw was that he was hard to understand. Picture this: a kid, about 5'4", in cook's whites standing on the other side of a steam table. In each hand, he held a long handled stainless steel spoon, the business end of which disappeared into a stainless steel tub of grayish water. The kid would look down and mumble something like: "Is you wan cones, o beans, mon?"
He was asking whether you wanted corn of green beans. You got used to it.
Great read. Thanks. This comment really got me to think.
So, if we think about a military operation in terms of numerical efficiency, the kid just might not be "productive" in that sense. While he may've fit in eventually, it still must have required some extra attention to get him to that point, which means that there must have been some reduction in the productivity of others around him. His 100% might have made the cook next to him run at 98%, and if the cook's 2% was worth 10% of the kid's effort, it's no longer a fair trade.
Just playing devil's advocate here. While it may be a well-intentioned effort to find such a guy a place to be "useful," an effective military makes sterile, cold, rational assessments- which ideally leave no place for even tiny impediments or unnecessary expenses. If we think of the overall (net) training, maintenance, and post-service costs associated with each soldier, it's probably not worth it to invest so much into a ladle.
All that said: traditionally, the largest military in the modern world has not exactly been renown for its spending restraint. Further, there is such a thing as societal productivity at large; that is, we're talking about a person here who was actively seeking improvement, and who has now made his family proud. He found a way to contribute to the best of his abilities- we should all be so lucky. Such achievement may just be worth a small expense to taxpayers. I mean, government _should_ be in the business of reinvesting in its citizenry, right?
LOVED that.
Thank you for sharing 😊
I wonder how many people got out of the army by faking low IQs? Seems like you could arrange to flunk the test easily
@@genekelly8467 As someone with an IQ, I resent this comment.
That was not a matter of intellect but merely linguistic difference. They should have not allowed him in because he does not speak the same language. Gullah language is similiar to creole languges in the Caribbean even between islands we have some difficulty understanding each other even if we are from the same island. Each parish of the islands speak a different dialect. In Jamaica for example. Kingston and St.Andrew and Montego Bay St.James would end up speaking patoi with more English words and english intonation due to foreign businessmen and tourists. These are the only cities in Jamaica and many tourists congregate in those 2 places. Elsewhere you might have a more East Indian dialect with a hindustani like accent and words used by East indians. In most of rural Jamaica patois there sounds more like Akan language. A lot of Jamaicans don't understand or even speak english, ut they are still very good at their profession. Those who speak fluent english tend to feel superior to those who only speak patois.
“I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.” (Oscar Wilde)
The minimum IQ required in the military is 83.
The average IQ in India is 82. Damn
@@slslbbn4096 30% of Indians are malnourished that's why
@@Chicodon008 u know iq is mostly genetic right?
Stepped in what?
@@xsantorii I don't understand this. Logical intelligence isn't born, it's made. Your brain stops developing when you hit the age of 25~, during this development the brain is able to accumulate and adapt to new information. Depending on how the kid is raised, it will define the kid's logical intelligence (as well as other types). Thus is why being raised by an average IQ family will end up with you having an average IQ.
What you're saying is like saying that your personality is defined off of genetics rather than from events and the experience and knowledge you've gained from them in the past.
I booked an IQ test but I couldn't find which building it was in.
Jordan just summarized "You can't fix stupid."
Gump made it in with 75 and even got a medal of honor
Loo tenent dang!!!
Gump could do what he was told .... quickly. That puts him at 85 or above.
The character assumed by Forrest Gump displayed behaviors more closely associated with Aspergers than low IQ
Facts
Lieutenant Dan ICECREAMMMMMM
During my favorite podcast episode jordan and bret were with Joe talking about the differences of right and left politics. Jordan said, "the right thinks there is a job for everyone And the left thinks they can train everyone to do something, but they are both wrong and increasingly so".
The right is more correct though. There is a job for everyone. Someone with an IQ of 83 or lower can still dig holes and pick strawberries. Or clean floors and toilets. Even just pull a lever in a factory to stamp license plates. Even just mow a lawn. But the left thinks that these people can be doctors and engineers and therefore will throw billions of dollars at them. The right knows they can't.
@@t_c5266 It's at the end. Robotisation is aimed at eliminating jobs that needs repeated, senseless moves. It's already there in automotive companies and the race will not stop. In a decade or two almost all jobs of that kind will be completely automated. How many cleaners or handymans are needed on the market? Even harvests are mechanised more, year by year. Soon even the right's claim will be totally false and we'll need to face consequences, because nobody is even trying to find correct answer.
@@t_c5266 it's not that people with an IQ lower than 83 can't do any jobs, it's that they can't do any job that would be a net-positive for society. Sure, they could do some simple task, but it would be cheaper to just automate that task.
@@freddy4603 there are some tasks that are extremely difficult to automate. Like a lot a agriculture due to the simple differences in plants. Every tree doesn't grow the same, and having automation to handle that, while doable, is cost prohibitive.
Obviously automation is the way to to. But in the mean time, we have people for these jobs
@@t_c5266 but they're wrong, there is not a job for everyone. Being born incompetent isn't the only thing to take into consideration when it comes to being unable people also have physical conditions and illnesses.
Also the fact that jobs are being automated away quickly, extremely quickly, faster than the industrial revolution and telling a young person (18) to get one of these jobs isn't the answer and isn't "still available" because it will be gone within their lifetime before they save for retirement if they ever could considering how low these jobs pay.
We also have the fact that any company is going to hire someone smarter or more physically able over you any day of the week if there has to be a choice, so you better hope there's no competition and that there is a shortage of workers.
I think a single mother who can't afford a babysitter, who's baby's dad doesn't pay child support, and has no family willing to watch her baby would really struggle with getting a job because you cant just leave a baby at home. This is a perfect example of someone who's not even dumb or has medical issues they're just in a bad spot, and I relate to it because my girlfriend is the victim in this story I just told you and it wasn't until I started dating her and watching the baby before she got herself up
Tell Jordan that everyone has a GIFT!
This is why I love this brainiac; he's totally understanding of the parity in perception that people have on "training creativity", where the data is crystal-clear on that. You are naturally competent to do so as our ancestors were, and that is something that our current education system doesn't recognize; that self-learning IS the highest order of intelligence, and thus by definition creative, as it does not rely on education to begin with. It relies un natural understanding from silence, introspection and resillience to give up. From a healthy point of survival, creativity must be met with a certain hardship, or there was no friction releasing any energy for growth. Any lifeform just understands it's own intelligence and works out the hardships it will face in life, or die. Which are all unique if you believe in the concept of relativity and time and beyond matter; no one person will solve your problems your way, or has a book on all the problems they solved with their "education". Cognition is layered, just like logic, so just give up on the hubris-control of "intelligence". You are as intelligent as you have always been, and that's a problem no education can solve. Because nobody realizes most students who shine or excel at their departation, mostly taught their skills and subject themselves. That's how we went from cave people to people living in posh caves. And if we don't respect natural science and ancient history, the metis will repeat.
creativity is not innate at all. Math in college requires heavy puzzle solving skills. Logic, ideas, intuitive thinking, you need all that to answer problems, more than when playing chess.
Yet on a topic with equal knowledge, the guy that is a class above, that studied math for a single extra year, will always outperform the other.
It s all about training. Practice and experience is the ultimate tool to solve problems and puzzles.
That s the same reason why in strategy video games, when you look at the best players when the game came out, they look bad compared to current average players. Current players aren’t clever, the community learned the best strategies by practicing, and players just mimic each other. The guy 1 year older is better because he has seen more and can create new solutions by mimicking what he has seen. This is not being more creative, this is having more knowledge.
Any form of creation is the same. Just reading lots of poems will make you able to write ones. Just cooking a lot will make you a good cook. Even for a dish you have never cooked, you will do better than someone that cooked less than you did.
Holy shit I think my brain just expanded. Man’s talking with a 160 IQ
@@TJRockPL mans got 8 IQ and needs to get off reddit
Your misunderstanding creativity and motivation. People are not innately born with innate creativity you are born with innate motivations. A child who is not motivated to do math by their own will is never going to be as good at math as a child who is motivated to do math and enjoys it. This is the case for everything, science, art, mechanical operating, combat, athleticism. Motivation will always make you excel faster, and with more efficiency because your brain will take in the information that you enjoy more than the information that you don't. IQ as a metric of intelligence is outdated anyway and extremely old fashioned in its testing for such. Intelligence as a concept is also a matter of perspective. What one considers intellect is entirely based on their surroundings and the collective society. Albert Estein dropped into the year 3000 would be no more than the average person in terms of what he knows, sure his problem solving skills may be astounding, yet that fails to encompass the complexity of the human mind, like IQ.
@@thejustofit8965 Trust me, your white word wizzardry will not change the basic elemental problem of people thinking they need to parent intelligent human nature. How do you think we invented math and all that stuff? By being "human" about it? And second, don't use dead people to make an argument and for God's sake spell their names correctly. That would show considerable EQ
"Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid." -- John Wayne
its true
he never said that. Friends of eddie coyle. Good movie.
I have 126IQ and my life is tough thanks to little willpower, i cant force myself to
Do anything that require systematic work
lol u dont wanna know how tough it is when you're intelligent. The "stupid" are generally speaking much more likely to be happy in life. ignorance is bliss.
All the comments say "All the guys in the comments think they are geniuses"
I don't see any of those comments...
Couldn't help but say that if you dont understand the comment it's probably better to not post about it XD
Especially this comment in particular.
i don’t see any of the comments saying that every commenter thinks he’s a genius.. are you overcompensating or something
Maybe the genius of the neo Marxists and post modernists is in higher demand elsewhere?
TH-cam knows what you can understand.
They can run for President, Congress or Senate.
If I learned anything in the military, its how to recognize a SELF CORRECTING PROBLEM, and that I should leave those alone.
”It’s hard to train someone to be creative”
“It’s impossible, can’t do it.”
“Well not in 6 months but six years!?”
“No” 😂
Yes, creativity, especially past one's youth, cannot be learned.
The scary part is that it can be lost if you're not constantly using it.
@@skeetsvar162 The power of video games IMO is to restore creativity. What Mr Peterson was saying I think, is that YOU cannot TRAIN SOMEONE ELSE to be creative. I would agree - you can't force creativity. You can enhance your own creativity however. Look at Minecraft. Then look at the player base.
@@DSiren That actually makes a lot of sense...I guess creativity is like a mental muscle. Gotta work it every once in a while.
@@DSiren excellent response
1/10 people have an IQ of 83 or less. That's actually scary but explains a lot.
what is iq?
its not 1 in 10, its about 1 in 14 (mr twitchy hands cant do math), and im not sure why you think that "explains a lot". that is just how iq distribution is defined. same reason why the average is 100. thats just the definition of iq, it has nothing to do with how smart humans are. we could be 500x smarter and the average would still be defined as 100.
Fixer Upper It’s not scary. It’s how IQ is defined.
number367 Don't try to explain distribution curves and percentiles to the 83s. Leave them to their paste.
Yup, so every day we run a 10% chance of running into an idjit.
I like the fact that one camera is mirrored and the other is not so you see Jordan looking the other way everytime the screen switches.
army: people with i.q. less then 83 are not of use.
police: hold my badge.
This vid helps me lower expectations, lessen pressure on those less able and forgive quicker as they try their best. The world must be a difficult place for them and situations easily misunderstood. Let's remember to be kind...
Beautifully said
You're right in your claim for compassion, but:
It is NOT necessarily difficult to be stupid, because of Dunning-Kruger, which means you‘re just to stupid to realize you're stupid.
On the other hand, intelligence - the ability to accumulate knowledge - can be very saddening...
And isolating.
This is the hardest lesson in life. Being patient with people who struggle with complex concepts is so difficult, but almost everyone regardless of IQ can detect condescension and impatience.
Dang, well said 😔
There are many politicians that I think fall into the category you describe.
As a Chief of Police for over 25 years, I learned a lot about IQ tests. People have to have a psychological exam before becoming an officer. If IQ was below a certain level they were disqualified. The ones that passed, but were in the lower range of below average intelligence had an extremely hard time being trained. Also they had a hard time properly doing their jobs. They continually do dumb stuff and couldn't remember the proper way of doing the job. The people in the average IQ level were easy to train and were able to do their job without many problems. Most Police Department training manuals and policy books are actually written about at a 10th grade level. I also noticed that a lot of officers in higher than average IQ level had a difficult time being trained. They always thought the already knew it all and would not listen to the trainers. They also had a hard time functioning in the department. This was mainly due to most police work is routine and they got bored easy. They also generally left the job more often than the others for that reason. These are general observations. Some people are just able to utilize what smarts they have than others do.
This would fit with a slide JP showed in one lecture about how people in different professions seem to show relatable IQs within a field. I mean that your IQ is a good indicator of what field you will be in.
So the police in the high IQ range ended up in a field more related to their IQ and it sounds like police IQs average out to a certain point on the scale.
I assume policeman is in his slide of job types and average IQ level.
Makes sense.
Ricky Chandler
It's a well known fact agencies only hire cops with IQs around 100.
Behavioral problem plays a big part in hindering learning.
"specialization is for insects..."
@Vinal: Low IQ CAUSES behavioral problems. Being abused causes behavioral problems. Low IQ people get abused MORE. Conclusion. We Americans LOVE to hurt less endowed people. And we love to rationalize it just like Jordan Peterson does. Probably one of our most favorite sports. It IS possible to have a nice productive world where everyone has a role but we are trained from early on to see that as heretical or leftie.
This video has haunted me for 4 years
I really liked this and how explained everything to it. What a fascinating individual to learn from
''You could do it in 6 years''
''No you can't''
''Well not in 6 months but you CAN in 6 YEARS''
''No you can't''
He's got a point there. Who's paying for 6 years of training for a person that shows absolutely no progress the last 5?
@@matheusspable I can see why that would be really concerning for dr peterson to realize. Can you imagine, having a loved one, who falls below that 83 threshold, where fundamentally you know that they will never be able to function productively in society?
I am curious to know if this actually applies to just IQ, because what if someone was a high nature intelligence. Like someone who could survive in the woods no problem, or does it apply unilaterally. can someone have a low IQ but still manage to have a niche area of satisfactory understanding? like for example, how shit could someone be at chopping wood for example. if all they had to do was chop wood or pick berries in a field. would someone with a low IQ still fail at taht?
@@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse good question. Nice point of view. I would guess those are activities that aren't very socially connected. What I mean is, a berry picker or lumberjack is not contributing to society as a whole by doing his job isolated in the woods or a farm is he?
@@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse There are plenty of people with Asperger's who go off into the woods because they cant cope with society and cannot function in a normal work environment.
And yes someone with a low IQ would fail at chopping wood. Mainly because they would not understand the safety rules and would inevitably and probably quite quickly end up severely injuring themselves. As far as picking berries is concerned that's a lot more dangerous than people realise and even intelligent people make mistakes and die. Specifically there are some berries that look almost identical where one is extremely nutritious and the other is lethal. The worst case I know of is two plants which have just a couple of genes difference so they look almost identical. The only difference is that one has a light yellow stripe on the leaf the other white except on the older leafs where they are both yellow. One has berries that looks identical tothe other but is full of a toxin.
@@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse surviving in nature is not easy. There is a lot of problem-solving and long-term goals involved like "what am I eating for dinner tomorrow?" or "How should I avoid animals which would kill me the moment they saw me?" There are "idiot savants" who are people that are below or well below average in IQ but for some reason excel at one thing but they are few and far between. In "modern-day society" as Dr. Peterson would put it, there are very few jobs you can do that requires the bare minimum intelligence. I actually work with a guy who spends the whole day mumbling to himself walking around collecting trash at my job. Really nice guy but unfortunately I get the impression that walking around picking up trash is about the best he'll ever be able to do. Guy almost cut himself open with the tape gun he uses to assemble cardboard boxes.
Damn it. I wish my IQ was over 83, then I could understand what he is on about.
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The gist of it is that 1 in 10 americans are too dumb to do the one job that doesn´t require you to think. All you are required to do is follow orders, and shoot the other guys. Now think just how scary that is, that 35 million of your countrymen can´t even be trusted with a butter knife!
Best comment in the whole comment section. You sir are golden.
Underrated comment
He is talking about the number 83. Basically it's a magic number. Nothing complex here.
Intelligence is the only gift that is fairly distributed: Everyone thinks they got enough.
1 in ten, that really explains alot of what I see day to day
I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is.
Alright gump.
Then you are a genius.
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He knew what love was but she screwed him over.
Something 4chan kiddos will never know
Everyone in these comment thinking they’re geniuses
True
Ryan McGrory
Compared to an IQ of 83 we are all geniuses lol. Mines is 127. A little above average but far from genius.
Ryan McGrory some of us are. You? Not so much
Alex Xavier “mines is 127” lol sorry not trying to take anything away from you just thought it was funny haha
@@appledough3843 god, only thing i see is Big ego...
The scariest part about that is the final “there is no possible way to train up someone’s problem solving abilities”
Don't be scared by it. It's not true. Jordan doesn't know what he's talking about. He makes erroneous statements about all kinds of things he has no real knowledge or expertise in.
I have a learning disability, ADD etc. I have executive dysfunction, piss-poor spatial awareness, bad memory, and horrible problem solving skills.
You learn through experience just how deeply the average person hates incompetence. Even "good," "nice" people who are patient and understanding will begin to see you as a burden and struggle to hide their frustration and disgust. It makes you very closed-off, introverted and averse to relationships. You learn that even someone who genuinely likes you will usually grow to dislike you when they begin to see your incompetence.
It makes me scoff at everyone who talks about empathy and caring for the less fortunate, no child left behind, inclusion, etc. I've never seen this not be a dealbreaking issue when it rears its head.
You end up with a unique perspective though, and you're essentially forced into humility and empathy/sympathy for those who struggle cognitively. Most average-IQ/intelligent people can only intellectualize this empathy, and it only goes so far.
On the flip side, most highly competent, capable and intelligent people are extremely low IQ when it comes to their spirituality and where their lives are going or what any of this means. It's almost a hallmark. Thankfully we don't have to live on forever in this state.
You're clearly not unintelligent because you write very well
This may explain why Trudeau had to go into politics rather than the armed forces.
Lol, you are right on the money!
That is great!! 😅😅😅
I've met guys in the Armed Forces who were pretty dim bulbs.
Chris Miles - underrated comment
And Trump
Whoa! That guy in the blue suit shifts from his left to his right continuously! That's impressive!
That was actually the test to see if you were over 83 IQ or not, you passed.
@@markmark5269 yay! I are interrigend!
Or you know, camera mirroring?
If you look again the mic piece Peterson is wearing also changes from the left to the right side.
@@thiagozlin It isn't camera mirroring, and if it isn't that, then it has to be something else
@@leo4hg28 what is it
Once I auditioned for a mascot with a lions head and didn’t get the part. The person who got the part could wag its tail 🤔🫤😈
That laugh at the end, from the audience !
Never took an iq test but I’am on the impaired side I tried to join the military after high school but I could never pass the asvab test I took it 4 times got close but it wasn’t enough. Also I was in special Ed during my school years so yes Peterson is right when he says “ it’s a struggle for some people to do task that come so simple to others.
At least you were not killed in the military.
Dont let some talking head on TH-cam or some meaningless test tell you what you can be. Effort and heart will win in the end. Drive on.
@@johnthomson1845
In reality,
Most people will never be capable of being a rocket scientist.
which is the best argument I've ever seen for a Guaranteed Annual Income. After Covid, I'd suspect Canada will actually do it. The money goes back into the economy anyway, and you can send a third of the govt. employees home.
@@DavoKC when I look back on it now it's been 8 years since I'm actually happy I didn't pass and make it in. The military is definitely not for me greatful to God for that!
It's not just scary how many people are difficult to find a socially useful role for. It's terrifying how scarce genius is, and how dependent the world is on getting the most out of it.
There are jobs for anybody. Unfortunately they don't pay enough to live on in a society that requires you to have a place to live, health insurance, a phone, a car and a clean drug screen.
Society feels entitled to other's gifts. It starts with family, within family units the bottom 49% still have to be treated equally valuable as the other family members. This distorts their view when they operate outside of the family unit, they don't understand why strangers won't give more than they get.
True statement
Well don't worry, me and my friends in the CIA are busy trying to gaslight society into killing off all the geniuses, so don't fret your little head. It'll all be over soon.
If you got a disease, only very few cells in your immune system are active initially, and you are entirely dependent on those few cells, because otherwise you will die.
In the US, that one in ten that can't be hired into the military ... they get voted into office as the politicians.
No, they voted FOR the politicians. Every last one of them.
@@guillermoelnino That is also true. But you can't tell me that AOC and Kamala Harris are not among that one in ten. Our govt is run by literal idiots, and yes, they are voted in by other idiots.
The adults need to stop letting the children run the nation.
This was terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. I am terrified!
I totally agree. I am at the end of my career span and can testify that some folks are untrainable.
You can never fix stupid.
a lot of people don''t want to mold themselves into a dumb routine. some jobs are idiotic.
its not just about untrainable.
a good example, $10ph for some dumb job that takes up all a persons time, breaks the body and ruins health,
or $600 pw UBI and the freedom to play and learn and be human.
@@retired8484 Like your stupidity, right? I'm a a Mensa member with an IQ of 158. Call me stupid.
@@franksmith541 hi stupid im dad
Yet they still manage to get college degrees. Lots of them.
Learning how you learn is powerful
The hardest part of learning to learn is learning that you don't know how to learn effectively.
@@danielmcgillis270 not to mention it’s not just how to learn but what to learn and how much of it to learn before you learn something else and even then you might need to learn how to learn that too
I can remember when Collage Taught you how to think, Not what to think.
You are right......I am not a visual learner. I could not understand why some things were so difficult for me to see or understand, yet other things were a breeze. I realized that audible learning is a huge simulant. Having 30-40 kids in a class and teaching them all the same way leaves a tremendous amount of untapped potential.
I will repeat what you said because it is critical and most do not seem to understand how important what you posted is.
Learning/Knowing HOW you learn is POWERFUL.
It is the key to everything about learning.
I learn best without a teacher.
Unfortunately you can’t get a degree unless you’re forced to be around a teacher for too long.
I had a brother go into the Navy in 1960. He was sent back home because he had a hard time trying to read. He came home and worked as a finish carpenter and a fabricator welder. They missed what would have been an asset to the service if they would have taught him to read.
Being 18 and can’t read speaks for itself.
@@terrywaters6186 You should see some of the beauty he has created. But I won't waste my time on you.
@@thomasbeach5458 The irony is that Terry here has been misreading comments left and right throughout this comment section.
Teaching reading is not the military's job. But now, of course, it's paying for gender reassignment surgery....
Reminds me me of one of Daniel Tosh's stand ups where he talks about the unemployment rate being too low.
"Dumb people are blissfully unaware how dumb they really are" - Patrick Star
But spend so much of their lives boisterously exposing it to the rest of. I think I'm quoting Kissinger to the effect that "..... the march of civilization plods along woefully at the pace of its slowest and least civilized people"
....the rest of us (I suffer from fat finger syndrome)
@@nealbradleigh5069 it'd be more effective to "EDIT" the original comment. The Irony, an easy fix but instead you slowed the pace.
The real problem is they believe they're so much smarter than everyone else and will do stupid things to 'prove' it, like withholding vital information. For example, it's impossible to do any joint activity with my sister because you'll need to ask her a simple but important question and she'll make any excuse and would rather get into an argument than tell you until the last possible minute. It's just so she can have the sadistic pleasure of knowing something that you don't know, and feeling smarter because of that, even though within the context it's really an illustration of how dumb she is.
Yep, you are right. Just look at Biden!
There is still (and always will be) tons of manual labor type jobs available for low IQ folks or for people with a good, solid work ethic. We're not all gifted with higher IQ's. What is needed is a return to appreciation of all work. And a tip of the hat to anyone doing a good job.
Hopefully- but why do you think that there will be?
I agree
You're joking right? Manual labour has been declining steadily since even before the industrial revolution. People no longer work ploughs, fewer people work manually in factories, in around 20 years there will be no more driving jobs left, everything will be autopilot.
Why hire a human who gets tired, takes breaks and makes mistakes?
@@kylebutler1101 Buggy whips! Have you ever watched a middle class/upper middle class neighborhood in the suburbs? Fence installers, yard maintenance, tree services, painters, sprinklers systems, pests, handyman, ac/heating repair, garage door services, carpenters, electricians, roof repair, plumbers, locksmiths, snow removal etc. TONS of jobs available. And many crying for workers willing to learn the ropes. Now go sit on your computer and order a roof leak repair robot!
@@calcrappie8507 yes, for now. But are you familiar with the pace of advancement in robotics? Clearly not, if you think those jobs will last for more than a DECADE
During Vietnam, I was a records clerk in a personal office in Germany and had excess to test scores each soldier took, and it was recorded, and I remember lower IQ scores than 86, that was with the draft, today in the volunteer army that might be true,
If you can't fight, you legislate.
In 1964, the 1st thing I had to do after reporting to Army Basic Training was to take written tests. At the time, I thought this was an IQ test, but recently learned that it's more of a Vocation Evaluation which is similar, yet different. All the tests had time limits and were multiple guess. The average GI score is 100, and without knowing anything about ways of getting high scores, I scored 137. I was placed into typing school and was assigned clerk typist because I could read, write, and type 13 words/minute on a Remington manual typewriter manufactured in 1917. In 1968, I was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and got to know a crew chief (I'll call Joe) who would answer my questions about the workings of various parts of the chopper. Joe was smart and always explained clearly answers to my questions.
About a year later, I went to Italy and found that Joe and I were in the same unit. One day, Joe told me he wanted to apply for promotion to Aircraft Maintenance Warrant Officer, but he told me he had only scored 90 on his tests. The minimum score to apply for Warrant Officer was 115, and Joe asked if I had any suggestions? I told him that I had learned that the final score was the average of the Vocabulary, Reading Comprehension and Math scores. I had also learned that only correct answers counted. I told Joe to find out what was the time limit for each test. I told Joe to start reading books on any subject he liked to improve his vocabulary and reading comprehension. For the math test, I told Joe to do all of the easy problems first and skip the difficult ones. If he got to the end of the test with time remaining, go back and work on the problems he had skipped. When he had only a minute remaining, just mark everything remaining as "C".
About six months later, a very happy and excited Joe told me he had passed the tests with a score of 129 and he was applying for Warrant Officer appointment. I got out of the Army shortly after that. When I took my tests (scored 137), I didn't know the tricks I have just described. I do wonder what my score would have been if I had known those tricks in 1964?
197 roughly. Mathematically he had an increase multiplier of 1.44 bc 90 x 1.44 = 129 so if your increase was the by the same percent 137 x 1.44 = 197
Man that is a smart technique on the last minute of multiple choice tests. Wished I thought of that in the last 2 minutes of my tuned tests in school
Outstanding Gump!
When I joined the Navy in 1995 they taught us those tricks in boot camp.
@@dexter99999 Your math is correct, and the best that can be done with the data set we have, but a larger set would yield a more reliable output.
Me: *goes on google*
Me: *IQ to inches*
Me: *laughs in loneliness*
Me:Goes on Bluestacks
Me:Plays Mini Dayz
Me:Laughs in depression and the rope round mah neck
I don’t have the I.Q. to understand this comment, let alone why it might be funny.
@@kipling1957 The person didn't know what IQ was so that person went to google to convert from IQ to inches, inferring that IQ might have been a unit of length (as in heights of people not allowed in army). I thought the comment was dryly funny.
perfect test You a right, now I understand. I guess one of my lobes was offline. Thanks.
@@kipling1957 lol yeah dw about it
Love those chairs. 1:32 even JP can't help but caress the arm.
It's not that it's impossible to increase adaptability or any other metric used in an IQ assessment, it's that the gains may be small or not worth the time.
Me fail at IQ? That's unpossible!
doid3r4s RALPH WIGGUM
Its actuallyey quit ispossible
Bizarro Superman?
You're learnding ;)
lol th-cam.com/video/7Sor0LXiSZg/w-d-xo.html
We went on maneuvers from Fort Lewis, Washington, to the wilds of Alaska in January and February. We were dropped off in a cold, empty area without anything in sight except small trees, snow and ice. There were ten-man tents laid out in a line and each squad was assigned to one tent. My squad and I stood around shocked at the cold, sudden, unexpected, bleak surroundings around our flat tent. Someone had to crawl under the tent and set up the tent pole. No one moved. One member of our squad who we used to tease because he was so dumb got on his hands and knees in the snow, crawled under the tent and began setting up the tent pole and tent. He motivated us all! The measure of a man is not his IQ but of how well he bears the burdens life presents. At that moment in the cold and snow he was the best man.
Intelligence isn't everything. It's the fetish of the modern age, but it isn't. A hard-working idiot will outperform most lazy smart guys in the real world, where persistence and determination matter.
@@dawnfire82 Sure, someone with literally zero ambition or drive will be unlikely to achieve anything. But a highly intelligent person who puts in half the effort will outperform his significantly less intelligent peer every day of the week in fields like medicine, law, science, etc. (i.e. fields that require a substantial amount of intellectual input)
IQ does not equal worth.
Was this just a hidden IQ test I just watched? Did the two of them swap chairs every few minutes to see if anyone was taking notice?
I've been in the swiss army (mandatory) as a supplier logistics military hospitals etc.
I didn't know I was smart until I went into the Army. They identified me as having potential and I went to OCS became an officer. After the army I went to college on the GI Bill and became a School Psychologist. Now that I'm retired I lead three organizations in my area. When I was in school the guidance counselor told my mother I wasn't "college material ". The Army proved him wrong.
dunning kruger
Gerald O'Hare...entered the DEP in 83; took the ASVAB & scored a 99 on the GT section. Took a diagnostic test a year later with 104, where the Educ Ctr said that I didn't need preparatory classes. The army wants every member to have a GT score of atleast 100. Took the test again within weeks to score 107! Served 3 years (well, 2yrs 9mos 30days!) because of the Graham/Rudman act of 85 & was voluntary on my part to ETS the 2 months earlier....entered college in 87 & joined the ROTC program only to be told that my GT score had to be atleast 110 to get my Army Commission! Bought the ASVAB booklet, studied a few months, took the test again to score 114! I was happy & glad. Not bad for a nonwhite immigrant bloke, eh?! I do come from an English speaking background (not English, aussie, kiwi or Canadian) - Caribbean & emigrated to the US on 820427!!!
Ragamuffin Hooligan , Congratulations on your success. The military changed my life in a personal way also. The Army recognized something in me that I didn't recognize. The military, with all its faults, is able to do this in a fair and just manner.
Good for you. I’m sorry your teacher tried to limit your potential.
Wow! I'm impressed. Can I get you to father my next child?
After 53 years, I've observed that there is an endless army of stupid people just about everywhere. I didn't start out that way. I started out with a high opinion of my fellow humans. 53 years has disabused me of this thoroughly, there are countless stupid people out there.
You clearly have a propensity to be relegated to being with groups of stupid.
The majority of people must be stupid -- look what keeps getting voted into office
It didn't take me 53 years im only 27 and I already realize I'm surrounded by morons
@@gokublack8342 you're probably the real moron
I’m close to that age, and agree, except it’s getting more prevalent. People in general really are more stupid now because nobody is allowed to tell them what to do or expect results.
Just help each others. Who knows, somebody could achieve the impossible with your help