The German Problem
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As a German myself I am a bit surprised that the side-effects of and aftermaths of WWI are not taken into consideration here which played a vital role in the whole story:
1) Germany was not part of the Versailles negotiations were reperations and cessions of territory were discussed therfore the peace treaty as a whole was widely viewed as a "Diktatfrieden" (dictated peace). Especially the part where Germany had to accept to be the only nation responsible for the atrocities happened felt revengeful and belittling to Germans
2) There was a common belief fueled by high ranking militaries and right wing politicians known as "Dolchstoßlegende" (Legend of the dagger blow).
It said that Germany was on the verge of winning the WWI and didn't lose in battle but communists, socialists and other democrats put a knife in the back of our forces politically home which led to the defeat.
The politicians and ambassadors who signed the Versailles treaty were part of this alleged conspiracy which led to the problem that the democratic system of the Weimar Republic was not accepted by a considerable part of the general society and the majority of industrials and upper class opposed democracy
3) On top of the economic crisis the winners of WWI still demanded that reperations had to be payed eventhough the nation was more or less bankrupt
This is why the Weimar Republic was characterized by instabillity right from the beginning and throughout its existence.
And because whole preparation for "revenge" was probably already in action. Involving other similarly isolated country and using negligence of inspectors to conceal whole build up of military power, as well as removing any possible opponents, that could prevent it.
Agreed. There does seem to be quite a bit of ignorance on the part of these two as to the differences between the victors and the vanquished. I imagine the psychology of a generation of men who had not only been through the horror of WW1 but also lost would carry some heavy scars.
Nial Ferguson is a deep state shill and belongs to Chatham house.
Today the get funded fe. by the Rockefeller foundation, Gates foundation, NATO, EU.
It was the model and blueprint for the US Council on Foreign Relations.
So you think, this gave enough reason to us Germans to kill two thirds of all jews in Europe?
Why them? German jews were fighting next to the foreigner Hitler in the German army and they both lost the war.
There must have been more than only poor conditions.
There is so much that they just skipped over. The mistreatment of Germans by the powerful people in that time period, gave the keys of power to the new leader.
German perspective here: My great grandparents and partly my grandparents grew up in Nazi Germany. My grandparents and my parents then lived through the socialist hell in East Germany.
You know how I know that the current situation is bad? I know, because all 3 generations continuously describe how much they feel reminded of the times that led up to these horrible regimes.
This applies to the corrupt political class, to the way information is presented in the (social) media landscape. This applies to how an elitest class demands everyone agree with their views and accept their decisions. This is reflected in the way that young people have absolutely no clue about the horrors of nazi or socialist regimes.
I feel devastated... I have grown up being taught to question everything and everyone all the time... but I see 90% of my peers who either refuse to think things through because it might make them uncomfortable, or they deny everything I say claiming I am some sort of conspiratorial nutjob, or in the worst case... they either just quietly go along with it, or actively support it to benefit on a personal level.
I am hopeless :(
..armes Mäuschen.
You are not hopeless. You are the hope.
I feel the same way you do.
You are not hopeless. Thanks for the great insight. Got some of that stuff in the US, too. It's bad.
Do not feel hopeless. Do what you can and feel good about that. You can not change the world alone.
The thing he didn't bring up is that Germany was paying horrible fees for WW1 during the depression as well. Germany really DID have it worse than a lot of places.
Thats what happens when you escalate a World War due to culturally supremacy
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
no more than Hitler's Obersalzberg speech to happy genociding Germans was
@@AllOtherNamesUsed
" Germany was paying horrible fees for WW1" - the things is, they pretty much didn't (yet being wronged due to them was NSDAP's main propaganda point)
He left out the part where Zionists were pushing prostitution and gender reassignment surgeries while attacking Germans through the media and tax, wait, that’s happening now.
In Argentina, when Perón was asked about how could he lead massive group of people he just said: I didn't lead them, I just saw where they were going and started walking in front of them.
Strong Comment, this is the problem with democracies
Excelente comentario.
We don't know who Peron is.
@@aleks71438 he was an anti-communist right wing general of the XX century in Argentina. He granted benefits and rights to workers in Argentina before the revolutionary waves of the 60 and 70. When leftists wanted to do the working class revolution, the workers didn't follow because their standard of living was pretty acceptable. On the other side, he exerted control over minor and major capitalists (strong regulations and price control). He claimed his movement was "a third position" in the bipolar world of the Cold War (his moto was "we aren't yankis nor marxists, we are peronists"). His movement embraced the left and the right at the same time. His left wing policies were so significant, that nowadays Argentinians progressives (=liberal democrats) love Perón without knowing that he was a fascist that kidnapped and killed the members of the opposing political parties. Sorry for the long story, I am argentinian and I have been spending the the last 20 years trying to understand us.
@@josefacundoabiega6146 thanks for a brief introduction to your history and politics. It wasn't too long.
I have been studying politics and history on my own for many years.
It is an interesting subject as I believe that all humans are motivated to "change " the world by the noble intentions. Unfortunately it is not the case that the good intentions create a better society, country or the world.
I strongly disagree with the leftists in the West because I think all they do is virtue signaling, there is no humanity there at all.
As a German, I see a paradigm shift in our society that worries me more and more: what you do or say is no longer relevant, what is more important (again) is who or what you are or which group you belong to. What amazes me above all is how confused ideologies from the USA are being adopted completely unthinkingly and uncritically and grafted onto our society, despite our different social and historical backgrounds. This trend has found its way into the German government in particular, which seems to be making more and more efforts to de-structuralise a hitherto functioning economic power for ostensibly moral but predominantly fantasised reasons.
Yes, you see this group-thinking in the defense of the massacre of a defenseless group by political Germany today to assuage their guilt feelings about the massacre of a defenseless group carried out by their great-grandparents because the perpetrators of today's massacre are the group that their great-grandparents massacred.
That's pretty sick thinking.
"Never again!" should mean never again a massacre of any group of people by any group of people. Cheering on today's massacre is pretty despicable. Placing group politics above universal ethics. "Us" and "them" and the primacy of one group above another... Who cares about the terrible suffering of the Palestinians? It's all about OUR history and soothing OUR feelings and atoning for OUR sins! Pretty selfish. Pretty shortsighted. Petty immoral.
But what you say is extremely important to that group, the moment you dare ask questions or disobey to their holy rules, you're an enemy, a backstabber. You have to regurgitate their values and have no personality of your own.
any specifics? what are you talking about?
The globalist elites are creating cultural movements to subdue nation-states. They are colonizing the intellectual landscape within society, and convincing it's members to essentially capitulate to globalist demands without ever putting up a fight.
People never did learn how propaganda works so they still have no defenses against it. They think they do. I have a friend who admitted that she doesn't listen to anything she considers to be propaganda which is anything that doesn't fit into her already fully formed delusional model of reality. The number of mechanisms she has to stop from changing her mind is truly staggering. About half of Americans are like that and it's becoming our biggest export. Germans were just ahead of the curve. If they had been labeled as socialists by other socialists, there never would have been a war but they got the label fascist despite being socialist. History is made by trigger words.
With the recent testimony of the three University Presidents the German problem has become the American problem. Progressivism has a big downside.
Yes, that was frightening
progressing to hell
The silent majority will be more aware of the dangers of this ideology. It was painful to watch it happening.
@@mattstewart222 The road to hell is paved with good intentions & "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."
- C.S. Lewis
I thought the most famous contemporary speaker in America was trump riffing on rednecks' perceived grievance? MAGAts are constantly deriding democracy, just like NAZIs.
Between 1871 en 1914, after the defeat against Prussia/Germany and having to give them Alsace-Lorraine, one of the only focus of our french politic, propaganda and education was "Get prepared, we got to have our revenge from the humiliation of 1870, we have to get back what we lost"... It's strange that they couldn't imagine that Germany would think the same thing after 1918...
That's not the point. Nazi Germany is not just a government that started an other war, it's an insane believe system that the whole nation accept blindly. 1871-1914 France didn't build concentration camp.
The Allies couldn't because WW 1 was so horrific and bloody due to the industrialization of war and was not the Romantic
show of Patriotism of previous wars, they thought it was the last , la der des der would say the French. Not only millions died, and millions were badly mutilated, wiping out an entire generation, but that was a messy , inglorious, crawl in the mud, get gassed kind of war. The sentiment was so Anti-war that they let the communist takeover of Russia, they let Turkey disregard the Sevres treaty for Lausanne, etc...
Er wasnt it a French that said that the treaty was just a ceasefire when he saw the horrendous reparations?
@@mclovinmclovin5395 Damn don't remind me that the Brits just walked out of Constantinople just giving it away,which was for the reason you said.
My village had some one, who gathered old stories of local people. In one of the stories the people talk about the time leading up to Hitler: It was either the Swastika or hammer & sickle. People didnt see any other political choice. And in an exhibition in Munich, I saw people who resisted the Nazi movement, mainly communists. There were also photos, where the Nazis held protests against communism. It appears, if you were anti communist, you didnt have much of a choice, but vote radical. The parallels to todays world shocked me deeply.
Which makes the quip about the Death of God and the Bolsheviks pointless. There was an ideological war going on between fascism and communists.
"It appears ..." that you are completely uneducated on the matter and know nothing about the political spectrum of the Weimarer Republik. (One look at a schoolbook from the last 60 years would show you the relevant information as a pie chart. Try Wikipedia **facepalm** )
Wie kann man nur so einen Blödsinn wie du labern! "Proteste" ... aber sicher du Dummschwätzer. Das waren bewaffnete Scharmützel zwischen ehemaligen und verwahrlosten, von der Gesellschaft aufgegebenen Militärangehörigen. Wenn man das nicht erwähnt und anstatt dessen die Machenschaften der SA wie "Protestler" darstellt, dann hat man garantiert nicht mehr alle Tassen im Schrank!
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
Please don't denigrate Indian culture and civilization by confusing Hakenkreuz or a hooked Cross, a symbol of (German?) Christianity, with the Swastika of Hindu, Buddhist and Jain religions. The Swastika is squarish and not diamondish or rhombus-shaped, while the Hakenkreuz is rhombus-shaped. Also, the Swastika symbolises positivity, auspiciousness and prosperity, while Hakenkreuz stands for what, God knows!
Please look up Hakenkreuz and Swastika and do a comparison.
@@unnikrishnan6734 Well? You think you are the only ones? In Greece museums refrain from exhibiting ancient works of art because they are filled with the tetragammadion, i.e. the Greek swastika which is the exact same symbol - they do so for fear of vandalism by wacko leftists.
Interesting Dr Fergusson would say that Germany had exactly the same economic conditions as any other developed country during the Great Depression… I am no historian, but it seems to me that they went through defeat in WWI, followed by a revolution, unrealistic war reparations that were calibrated at crippling the economy (compulsory coal deliveries, I.e. a key production factor), long term foreign occupation of a great part of its industrial mainland (Rhineland), a horrendous starvation in the early 20‘s, run-away inflation in the early 20‘s way before the Krach in 1929, massive unemployment somewhere in the 40 percents…. Aside from Russia, which other European country faced similar conditions at the time (and see what happened there)? I cannot see that economic conditions can be disregarded as relevant as providing the necessary terrain for the Nazi ideology to take off. I wonder what would happen in e.g. France of the US if you had over 40% long term unemployment coupled with political humiliation?
Poland. You were agressor, so nobody feel sorry for you. That's fact.
Yes, the economic turmoil should not be underestimated. In general, I just don't buy the mainstream history on Nazi Germany. We're supposed to believe that the most sophisticated and educated society in the world at that time, suddenly decided to put Jews in the ovens because the Austrian Painter gave rousing speeches? And 80 million Germans were deceived like little just children - just like that? Sorry, not buying it. The victors write the history, and if Nazi Germany had won the war, the official history (as being taught by Harvard professors) would be entirely different.
Thanks for this answer, it makes a lot of sense - and I find it back in my family history (being German). What was different in Germany? WWI and its deep consequences, of course! The destruction of the middle class. The complete lack of continuity. The loss of a whole value system and foundations of a culture. Did that only have negative consequences? Certainly not: it meant freedom and room for all kinds of experiments, avantgarde, progress, ideas. It also meant chaos and the destruction of "normality".
One suspects The French and other European Nations were afraid of this inovative, highly intelligent,military capable nation on their borders, German Bombast in certain Quarters did not help.
....at the end of the day the Germans are, well, just Germans. They were already one nil down and they just had to make it two. It's a bit like Russia trying desperately to bring about their third collapse in just over 100 years. Sometimes people just do what they do.
As a German i find myself to be a foreigner in my own land more and more. Perceiving this change in me as it happens and progresses sends shivers down my spine. It feels like you are not supposed to even question the standard narrative of any given topic and the ones i am wondering about are plenty. Political hypocricy, bad descisions regarding energy and migration politics, my change towards the carnivore lifestyle and this general mindset of seeing others failing as a good thing really leave me wondering if i am a bad culture fit or wether i just should give up and go down with the flow of everybody else.
Somebody tried to stop this long ago.
Ist nicht böse gemeint, aber du scheinst ja alle clichés der joe rogan/jordan peterson Zuhörer zu erfüllen...
Where do you live in Germany? My experience has been that countryside is still rather unchanged but cities are culturally in massive flux in Germany. I’ve heard many educated ethnic Germans are moving back to small towns from the cities. Is this something you’ve noticed?
Believe or not - we are sure that we have much more open and democratic public debate in Poland than in Germany. But the Germans are worried about our democracy and freedoms...
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Jetzt sind LANDSER-Texte bittere Wahrheit geworden.
Lass dir das mal durch den Kopf gehen.
They never talk about Weimar, they never tell you which books were burnt.
For a primer on the types of books Nazi's burned: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings
The Weimar Republic period in Germany including the rise of the Nazi party was well documented because there was freedom of the press up until Hindenburg capitulated to allow Hitler become Chancellor. Even after that, US and other western reporters remained in Germany and reported on this period.
I just finished Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" first published just 15 years after the end of the war which goes over this at length. It's an easy listen on Audible, but long. I highly recommend all American's listen or read how an authoritarian government worms their way into society--mandating that others come to their school of thought--or else...
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
They’ll never tell you which books and they’ll never tell the truth. Just more anti-german spin jockeys to control free thought
They have talked about Weimar till nausia. If you want to know which books were burned, there is no difficulty to know the titles and the authors. But you will find much less information about which were not burned. Not to speak of the bestsellers! For example Wiechert.
they'll never tell you who was pushing for communism, degeneracy and the total collapse of the society in Germany and also Russia, Hungary, Poland. All they'll do is talk about how hitler was "demonic" @@epitimaios
After living in the UK and US influenced Mexico (my home country) doesn’t surprised me that these two seem to skip over various (already stated in comments below) topics in German history. I live now in Germany and dedicated myself to learn their history through their system and compare that to the UKs and US version of general history.
Lmao and I'm a 33 yo German who lives in Puebla, beautiful Mexico 😂 thinking about Germany makes me so depressed alv
@@Dan-sw8tgI am German who lived in Mexico for six months and just hated it. I guess it really depends on what a person wants.
@@laaaliiiluuu yes that true for example I also lived in Thailand where I disliked it but many people like it
@@Dan-sw8tg it also depends on where in Mexico you would like to live in Puebla is one of the many exceptions where violence isn’t at its peak (thank goodness)
I’m from Jalisco, and it’s a hit and miss about safety. So it really depends where you go, I ain’t talking about that.
I’m talking how history has truly shade on Germany much more than it has US or UK. Having lived in the UK myself for the better part of 10 years of my life and as you quote thinking about living in the UK depresses me. I find the lifestyle quality that Germany leads despite its current problems , still higher than those in the UK.
@@AdrianCarlosEnriqueFlore-ju6zm Jalisco! Oh shit cuatro letras😅😅😅
The reason was Versailles. You can analyse as much as you want, try to rewrite history, etc. If you take people's bread and coal, in the mud and freeze of Germany - they will rise up. My grandmother stole potatoes and coal as a 5 year old. That was her JOB.
Certainly for Germans, this was a cataclysmic event, even worse than the armistice.
No mention of the Bolsheviks.
No mention of the Dresden Holocaust.
No mention of the ethnic cleansing of Germans postwar.
No mention of the Holodomor.
What drivel.
nice name
No mention of all sorts of foreign interest that tried to pull their Strings in the background to their own benefit.
No mention IG Farben
No mention etc.pp
Why sometimes its so difficuilt for highly analytic minds to see the obvious things. Talking about Nazi instead of Kartellism which is the same as Cooperatism which is the same as Fashism! NaZi which claims to be the short form of National Socialism, shouldnt that be NaSo? . And Hitler times magazine Person of the year? Like Greta? All that comes into play, and finally you will never understand it all without taking all your curage to rethink the jewish Position. An actual wiew to gaza may help. Eugenics for example, why germany, just look at who founded those projekts, wasnt really germany, tho .... I like Joardan Peterson, he will get it sooner or later. His logic will guide him the way one day.@@DensityMatrix1
"No mention of the Bolsheviks.
No mention of the Dresden Holocaust.
No mention of the ethnic cleansing of Germans postwar.
No mention of the Holodomor."
All those happened after Hitler's rise to power and have no bearing on the above video.
This interview excerpt perfectly encapsulates why there should be no taboo in discussions, no censorship and prohibition in studying and learning history. People have to learn, know and engage in discussions about bad ideas and ideologies exactly with the purpose of stopping them, understanding them and avoiding them to manifest at a societal level. We just can't afford the luxury to ban ideas that we don't like and get away with it. We either fight them through debate or we are condemned to see them take power again
We know this already unfortunately we have a Socialist type revolution going on that has used tech and agents to brainwash the young and they don't reason, they react
The kind sir is right about the bolsjeviks, Albert Pike(famous 33rd degree freemason) wrote to Giuseppe Mazzini in 1871 regarding a conspiracy involving 3 world wars, that were planned in an attempt to take over the world.
Pike letter was on display in British Museum Library until 1977. British Library denies the letter exists.
Absolutely!
Petersons good friends Dave Rubin and ben sharpiro are repeatedly calling for censorship. Peterson says nothing about it. Peterson is a hypocrite.
I’m afraid the current leadership of the world is not interested in that. So it won’t happen and if it does will be marginalized or even censored at every opportunity
It is interesting when Anglo-Saxons discuss Germany. The cultural and historical background is very different from that of Germany, which makes it not easy to get to the actual reasons for the catastrophe. Many aspects have already been added in the comments, mostly by Germans, which says a lot about my compatriots. I'm excited to hear what historians will report about the catastrophe we're currently sliding into. However, Germany's role in this will be manageable.
The Anglo-Saxons have the idea Hitler told the German people. " Dear German People, I want to kill all Jews!" 1933. And 99% of the Germans voted him to do so.
The victors write the history books. In West Germany the Americans and in East Germany the Russians after WWII. This is one reason why Russian propaganda of their current expansionism finds receptive grounds in the east.
The "experts" are always smart in the hindsight.
Since they killed the Hitler death cult and rebuilt Germany, their perspective is paramount.
The question asked is that why depression in Germany and in the US didn't result in the same outcome? The answer is elaborate but a fundamental difference is that the depression in the US was a product of failure of economic programs (self imposed), but the depression in Germany was mainly from the outside pressures on Germany to pay back it's debt to Europe that resulted from WWI (mainly) so it became a national struggle that led to a national social movement (unfortunately in its misguided form).
This! Thank you for pointing this out, it is a marked failure on the part of Dr. Fergusson to put Germany and the US on an equal footing. The depression hit much harder in Germany, which was severely economically weakened already by the terms of the Versailles treaty. Add to that the lingering food insecurity that had troubled the German state from the beginning of WW1, and that now turned into outright food shortages and hunger throughout society.
Furthermore, the Weimar Republic became ever more dysfunctional as more and more radical splinter parties made it basically impossible for the Reichtag to effectively enact policy and govern the nation. A similar development could be seen in Austria, where Engelbert Dolfuss' Fatherland Front rose to power. But contrary to Austria, the structures of power that remained - or reaffirmed themselves - as Weimar democracy collapsed, were rooted much more in conservative militarism and virulent nationalist anti-socialist movements that had remained dormant in German society after the end of WW1, as the many Freikorps eventually disbanded into political or militia organizations. The US didn't have any of this, its a totally different story...
When you think that Germany took 92 years to pay the Reparation Costs of 132 Billion Goldmarks, which is 2328.081 tons of Gold.
Germany's Gold-reserve in 1919 was in US$ 259,546
( US$19.95 per troy-ounce of Gold in 1919)
The US's Gold-reserve was US$ 2,093,138.
Is it then a wonder that Germany's Economy was buggered?
Also, I read some years back that War against Germany had already been planned by an early "Round Table" in the late 1890's early 1900's during the Boer War here in South Africa, by Cecil Rhodes, Alfred Milner, Nathanial Rothschild (DeBeers Diamonds) and others......
Although official Diamonds had been found in German South West Africa/Namibia at the mouth of the Orange River only in 1908, but Gold was found in 1899. In German East Africa Gold was found near Lake Victoria and mined in 1894. I can only assume that this could've been one of the reasons they wanted War with Germany, bar the German Governments support of the Boers against the British Empire.
@@hellequingentlemanbastard9497 They paid no reparations to Poland
@@szopq Dude. It's called the "Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany" or "two plus four agreement". It was solved with - officially - giving away huge tracts of land (no pun intended) which Poland recieved (from the USSR) after WWII, worth more than any other reparation could give.
@fj8264 Oh really, what do you know... Two invaders who, in collaboration, annihilated over 6mln beings, took following millions of people to Reich or Siberia by force, built conc. camps for mass extermination and executed people freely for giving a J€w a slice of bread. I can continue for ages.
Yes, then one of them invaders who beat the other one, grabbed 1/3 of Poland's land only to move the inhabitant's in cattle vans to the land which you are mentioning, and which was to compensate for that one.
Apart from the fact that it was much smaller in area... Who in the world asked Poland and Polish people if they wanted that deal? Whole families were forced to live in those so-called "regained lands", waiting years for the WWIII being unsure about tomorrow. Everyone was hoping it was temporary.
Look at the map of Poland pre and post-war. Look at the area and make a simple comparison.
Poland lost:
- more terrain than it gained
- lost millions of people, out of which few were mere victims of the military invasion. Most were simply m#rdered and driven away.
- lost the leading elites
- lost countless works of art, some never to be returned by this day. You can find them in private German collections.
Over 5 years of German occupation turned into the following 50 years under Soviet occupation/control.
- cities, towns - many of them, including Warsaw, burned to the ground.
Imagine that two thugs attack your family, kll your brother, rpe your sister, burn your house, etc. Later, they get angry with each other, one beats the other and then the one who won tells you that now you two are friends and you will move and dwell in the beaten one's house, where you will cohabit in one of his rooms, until he is forced to leave that room, which is smaller than the one you had to leave, but allegedly better furnished.
Man, that's a deal of your life, and you should be thankful to the thugs forever.
3:20 I don't think it's acurate at all to say the US had an equally bad depression as Germany considering that Germany also had to deal with the fallout from the Treaty of Versaillies which had catastrophic effects on their economy. An example of this being they were banned from producing steam ships and had to revert to wind powered clipper ships. I think the difference here was that Germany was much more desperate due to their situation and would support anyone who would promise to make things better.
Perfectly put!
You nailed it! Thanks.
Germany was indeed stiffed by France, who insisted on their reparations while British and Americans had let them off. Cue stagflation and wheelbarrows full of million mark notes to buy a candle. Horrific times 1921-23, hardly surprising a Hitler arose.
And they supported someone that actually did make things better, much better. But of course our masters couldn't let the rest of us serfs see what happens when we shake off our shackles.
Absolutely. The sheer underlying frustration of the Germans after the Treaty of Versailles was nothing compared to the glorious upswing and strengthening of identity that the Americans experienced.
What was not mentioned in this discussion was the state that Germany was during the great depression. In a nutshell, Germany had areas which were facing local civil wars. In addition, the parties were acting like mobsters, the SPD, KPD and NSDAP Members were beating the crap out of each others, the result was the founding of "protection groups" within the parties, Reichsbanner for the SPD and SA for the NSDAP. I'm qite sure that this kind of unrest did not happen in the USA.
Comparing and contrasts further with the US, the way the power flows in the American society, i.e. from the bottom up, as opposed to most societies in Europe, from top to the bottom, and the impossibility of the state and of the parties of the political class to disarm the population, made such a situation of local civil wars over the state's resources impossible to attain and sustain. Thugs tend to not rely on violence when they rick getting shot over it and the judiciary does not side with them.
Vanquished Germany after WWI was practically occupied by France and partly also by the US, for some time. In 1923, the French and Belgian army occupied the Ruhr area, when deliveries were not made in due time to France. The big inflation was allowed to happen by the Germans, in order to signal the dire circumstances of this Germany, suffering under foreign rule.
When Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf" in a prison cell, he was contemplating from that background. He was not conceiving some ludicrous plan to "conquer the world" or something like that. He was thinking about ways to save Germany from its detriment. You may judge his thoughts in whatever way you deem appropriate, but he did not fantasize about anything all too megalomaniacally from that particular context.
When the question nowadays is raised as how it was possible that Germans cheered for Hitler, they need to know the background conditions. It was worse than most people assume.
So, no, the US did not experience something similar since the Civil War, I guess. WWI was devastating to Germany. People kept dying from starvation, even after the Armistice of 1918, because the British navy kept the Sea Blockade, isolating the German ports from trade, so as to exert force on the "negotiations" in Versailles.
Bavaria even separated for a short duration and proclaimed as a new Bolshevik far left state. I am from Germany and Bavaria is nowadays one of the most convervative states btw. There was a real fear that the far left, the Bolsheviks, would take over, which frightened the middle class and ultimately played in the hands of the far right. I guess you cannot compare the 1920s with the world we have today, it was a way bigger mess back in the day.
It also didn't help that powerful and rich people funded politicians to promote anti-German sentiments in the west. We also can't forget that the Jews declared war on Germany in 1932.
Why did they do that? Where they the same that funded politicians like Churchill?
Also keep in mind that the Versailles Treaty required the Germans to hand over 1/3 of their produced goods to the Allies until 1966, which led in some places to starvation. The German economy could not hold up and quotas were not met. This resulted in the French sending Moroccan troops into the Ruhr to prey upon the population.. Eventually the Dawes Plan of huge loans was implemented, but when the Great Depression struck, the highly-leveraged German economy collapsed.
Compared to the superficial fluff and crap that occupies 98% of TH-cam, this was intellectually highly stimulating….I could listen to Prof Ferguson all day….it’s only in later life that I have truly begun to appreciate the value of understanding history in great detail!
Mr.Ferguson doesn't really know the German history.
Germany has always been a victim of Great Britain and USA.
Today Germany is mainly a victim of USA.
Agree... the world on an average just doesnt focus enough on history, claiming it is useless and less "sexy" compared to other subjects. But deep understanding and awareness of history actually sheds light on a lot of current goings-on, and hence helps in building correct perceptions/opinions. Perhaps Aldus Huxley said, i think, that the only thing that we learn from history is that we dont learn from history. And thats probably because we dont care to know history.
13:39 Very true, it is fascinating to see. A remark by one of my university teachers was that it barely even mattered what he was saying, the crowd would go wild anyway. Such speeches were absolutely massive, with people stirring each other up in their extreme enthusiasm
"History is written by the winners."
^Few people understand the full ramifications of this.
This is true. That is why it is important to read the “loser’s” point of view if you want a real understanding of a situation
@@WeeedyMcMeth And with Hitler dead, the only people there to write the loser's view were the Generals who incorrectly stated that the siege of Stalingrad was a vanity project.
The Germans do. Lol.
Right, really good example of this is how the Allies are depicted as the good guys and the Axies the bad guys.
Yeah. Somehow, WWII was the first war in the history of mankind where the victor was a selfless benefactor of the vanquished.
You have to forget that we are humans to believe that (hi)story.
In 1919, Germany had to cede numerous territories: Northern Schleswig to Denmark, the majority of the provinces of West Prussia and Posen as well as the Upper Silesian coalfield and smaller border areas of Silesia and East Prussia to the new Polish state, the Second Republic and all colonies to the victors. In 1921 it was also decided that Germany had to pay 132 billion DM in reparations. The country and its economy were completely ruined and devastated.
The USA, which only joined the First World War in 1917, took all the German patents and industrial documents they could find with them in 1918. The patent office was empty.
At the end of the 1920s, the Germans hardly had any work and were starving.
btw, a *quick info:* Germany didn't start World War 1, it was Austria, but since Germany was bound to Austria by a defense treaty, it was dragged into it.
Over 2 million men, some of them very young, died as soldiers in the war - a war with absurd orders and people as pure "cannon fodder".
In addition, 700,000 German civilians died, and countless Germans starved to death after the war.
Not only that, just look how Woodrow Wilson did the German-Americans. How the USA turned a whole nation against the Germans.
Well said. You can understand the rise of German nationalism perfectly from what you have said. To add - Pure ethnocentrism at work caused the Jews to be persecuted. This has happened throughout history and is still happening today. Petersen and Ferguson in some respects can’t see the woods from the trees.
Sounds like the lesson is to treat your defeated foe fairly. At leat the US implemented the Marshall plan after the 2nd war - but benefitted from so many German scientists like von Braun, et al.
Crocodile tears... IF Germany did not conquer these areas in the past, she would not have to cede them. Do you think returning land to peoples you stole it from is unfair? The worry is that even some Germans believe this is an injustice... BECAUSE it means WWII has not really finished, and will require a final conclusion.
@@robertlipka9541 Don’t worry. Poland gained land after WW2. You have nothing to complain about.
Mostly people in the past did what they were told. If they told you to go to church you went to church. You didn't socialize with people outside of your circle. If your dad was a plumber you became a plumber. You respected authority. When we look at the past we must remember that it had a mindset to it.
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00:00 📚 *Introduction and Overview of 'The German Problem'*
- Introduction to the video, discussing the unique and complex problem that is the understanding of German history, particularly the rapid progression to the Holocaust.
- The intermarriage rates between Jews and non-Jews in the 1920s German society.
- Insights on the failure of theoretic explanations from the Marxist tradition concerning the Holocaust and the Second World War.
02:03 🌐 *Analyzing Unsatisfactory Explanations*
- Examination of why the presenter was dissatisfied with economic and Marxian explanations of German society's upheaval.
- Marxism does not sufficiently account for values and why people attach importance to what they value.
- Analysis of the importance of psychology in understanding the German issue.
03:12 📉 *Economic and Socioeconomic Explanations*
- Explanation of why socioeconomic factors alone cannot account for the decline into National Socialist movement.
- Criticism of structural functionist approaches that tried to eliminate Hitler's influence in the narrative.
- Highlighting the importance of considering Hitler's charisma in the overall understanding of Nazi Germany's establishment.
05:03 🗣️ *Understanding Hitler's Appeal*
- Discussion on understanding Hitler's appeal and influence over the German population.
- The idea that Hitler displaced Christian ethics in German society and persuaded individuals to renounce their values.
- Importance of understanding the sequence of destabilizing events leading up to Hitler's rule.
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08:45 🎃 *Hitler and the Discontented German Population *
- An examination of how Hitler, equipped with his oratory skills, managed to tap into the discontent of the German population.
- Discussing the theory of how Hitler's vision emerged due to the resentful and vengeance-seeking feelings within the German population.
12:21 🔀 *Linking Individual Power and Structural Forces*
- Insight into how individual power and structural forces both contributed to the occurrence of Nazi Germany.
- Analysis on how Nazism 'went viral' through the exponential growth of Nazi membership in the early 1930s.
- Description of the conscious fears articulated by Hitler among Germans.
14:24 ☠️ *The Potential of Societies for Unfreedom*
- Explains how all societies possess the potential to be led into unfreedom.
- Overview of the factors that led to the repression of Nazi Germany: prosperity, propaganda, and coercion.
- Stresses the importance of educating younger generations about the potential for societies to succumb to totalitarian regime.
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As a 62 year old Englishman nearly all the history I was taught at school was 1939-45. This was very understandable as many of my teachers had served in uniform and the younger ones remember the bombings. In a conversation with a 19 year old, that works at the local shop, I had to explain WW11. He had heard of Hitler but knew nothing of Pearl Harbour and the Americans entering the war in 1941. He did not know that Italy was part of the Axis and was not aware of the part the USSR played, first as a German ally and then against the Germans, as part of the Allies. If we do not teach this, it may well happen again.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
I fear it's a bit too late.
one of the greatest crimes in history was the genocide of native americans by europeans. how much have you learned about that. read blood meridian
In America we have college students that don't even know who Hitler is. They will call you Hitler if you have conservative/Christian views, tho.
And hopefully more German history will be taught than these 12 terrible years of my country.
I am already looking forward to Mr Peterson's discussion of "the Anglo-Saxon problem".
Actually, the German problem happened in 2015. What you are referring to is the Semites in Europe Problem: which is not a German problem. Not only Germans, but Spaniards, Russians, etc. all tried to eliminate them.
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Actually, the German problem began before WW1 where they introduced death camps when they were a [minor] colonial power in Namibia; it went down between 1904 and 1908. It only took them over a hundred years to acknowledge what they did...
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I guess it'll take a hundred years for these, too.
And the German problem, starting in 2015, became a European problem.
First of all "Semite" is misleading because it lumps in Jews which have nothing to do with the current issue. The "Semites" are the Arab immigrants that....and it's just the way it is....they go to the Netherlands...Denmark...all these tolerant countries and the crime rate skyrockets. These immigrants thank their hosts by raping women and trying to make the nations laws conform to Islamic standards.
The situation of Germany and US economically was also different. The reparations Germany had to pay for WWI were simply impossible. So, even though both countries suffered from depression, Germany was hit significantly harder. That, in combination with the shame associated withthe results and fillowing treatment of WWI were certainly fuel for what happened later....
Indeed, but that begs the question: why the shame, and why in that form? Also, what they had to pay was actually possible long-term, post-Depression. The Depression was an issue that the King failed to help, as did the Communists (they just kept crying a lot). The Nazis really were the only ones to offer a solution, which they then gave (hence, Hitler took Germany from about zero money to trillions very rapidly). The problem is that this was coupled with the rest of Nazism and quickly turned to complete madness (circa 1937 onwards). Partly, Hitler was able to fund this through the Party donations and theft.
Of course, England had major issues in the 1950s and also owed America money, yet we also didn't turn to Communism or neo-Nazism or something (though some did try, actually). This implies there are still other fundamental difference at play (though, one could say that both England and America did take many of these elements on, as noted by Operation Paperclip, right. We can also go back to the 1920s with Julian Huxley and his types, and how that led to the Nazi-like structure we had across the West, and that is the heart of the EU and UN). Well, with the new events leading to global calls for the death of the Jews... we are right back to the 1930s, aren't we. This time, you don't have any grand Depression to blame or reparations. We see millions of rich students and otherwise crying for the death of the Jews and removal of the Jewish state from Earth -- filled with 10 million souls, far more than Hitler never controlled.
You actually get far greater insight into this, both past and present, if you watch Jordan's 1996 lecture out of Harvard. That course is completely about WWII from the German viewpoint, and the viewpoint of if there is another way, and what births these different ways.
@@SwitchTalkChannel those are interesting and valid points. You have a link to the lecture? The only point I disagree a bit is the part of paying off the reparations was reasonable. Even though the financial crisis happened, it is still insane to ask for 132 billion gold marks considering the GDP at the time and, in the end, it took Germany 92 years to pay it off...
@@kevinjooss9348 Thanks for the tip and your elaborated thoughts. I want to challenge you on your first paragraph though from my personal perspective (German historian). That the amount Germany had to pay was close to impossible is showcased by the allies always changing the amount it had to pay. So even the allies understood the sum was too high to handle and kept lowering it (see: Dawes plan 1923, Young plan 1929, Lausanne Conference 1932). Also, Hitler's economic policy was built on printing money. He planned a big war to finance for it later from the very beginning (see: Hitler's Comments at a Dinner with the Chiefs of the Army and the Navy Feb 3, 1933). His "economic miracle" thus was never a real miracle but would have led to Germany's ruin if he was not able to finance it with the spoils of a future war. The theft of Jewish property and the donations you mention would not have been sufficient. Lastly, you asked why Germans were so ashamed. It mostly had to do with the mindset of the people at the time and certain articles of the Versailles Treaty. Germans were very proud and rigid people, their mindset being closer to the Japanese during WW II than anything we encounter today. My great-grandfather was exactly like this. From their viewpoint, failure was impossible and glory had to be achieved for Germany. Now when Germany lost the war that was already a traumatizing event in itself. People were ashamed of that and didn't want to believe it (see: Stab-in-the-back myth). Also the Versailles Treaty broke with many certainties and conventions of diplomacy of earlier centuries; let me give you three examples: Germany was not allowed a seat on the table and was just forced to sign it, article 231 made Germany solely responsible for the war (which is very debatable), article 227-230 demanded Kaiser Wilhelm II to be extradited and put in front of a trial (even though the allies never pulled through with this, the German public was enraged) and the allies kept changing their own rules to make Germany lose big parts of Silesia despite the proclaimed right of self-determination of peoples and votes of the population which would have resulted in a different outcome. Since many Germans could not accept this shame, they turned to rage against their former enemies, who, in their eyes, promised a fair peace (see: Wilson's Fourteen Points) and delivered an insult. Whether or not this true does not really matter, since the people believed it to be true and it changed their way of thinking accordingly.
Yes, this is what I was missing in that discussion: the loss of WWI plus the unfair denigration of Germany and the Germans by the allies , the burden of the reparation payments and - not to forget - the loss of all savings by the hyperinflation 1923: all huge differences compared to other countries.
@@SwitchTalkChannelThe economic upturn after 1933 was caused not only due to the 'Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahmen', but because of the transfer of Jewish to state property, the debt relief by the previous government, a general upward trend and massive debt leading to an expected bankruptcy by 1939, 'forcing' the Invasion of Poland.
Such a breath of fresh air listening to intelligent people.
It is isn't it.
I'm Scottish so in order to find and equal a Scotsman is forced to converse with the all mighty .
Most don’t realize, including Peterson, that the H didn’t happen the way we were told.
lol… these are demagogues. No intelligence required.
@@F_JoeBiden-tu6cl Anyone with the name you use as part of an online name immediately forfeits all right to be taken seriously. 🤣 The inane comment just doubles down on that!
And more importantly, honest and curious people
I'm still waiting for his reaction to Solzhenitsyn's Two Hundred Years Together.
Don't distract their audience. Ferguson and Peterson are just about to convince them that Trump is the new Hitler. 😂
@@LHMOM.8610 Interesting though many kremlin bots that support Putler also support Trump in Russian segment of the internet.
I greatly respect and admire the Germans for their intelligence, industriousness, innovation and discipline. I also do think they are highly susceptible to their own propaganda and self-righteousness. This when combined with dangerous narratives + their intensity and commitment to thoroughness make them a truly formidable people.
So basically like Jews?
Word.
I'd like to understand your reasoning. What exactly do you mean by self-righteousness and propaganda of the Germans?
@@marekstani What I mean is that they very meticulously internalize the first principles of whatever ideology they are conditioned into. As a result every piece of counter information will be filtered out and only information that fits into the existing line of thinking is accepted and believed. This gives them their conviction. This along with the need to morally validate themselves via self-righteousness (predicated on the belief that they are doing what they are doing better then anyone else) is what gives them the courage to match their conviction - locking them into tunnel vision.
Weimar insanity.
Nazi horrors.
Anti-nuclear crusade.
Immigration catastrophe.
why would dangerous narratives make them formidable?
"we defeated the wrong enemy".... Patton
Im sure he doesn't meant the regime of the reich, but the german nation. The Nazis were basicly the german version of ISIS...
I'm surprised Patton said that after his troops liberated Buchenwald concentration camp and he himself visited it on April 15th 1945. He was so shocked that he made the nearby residents tour the camp so they could see for themselves what they'd been a party to...
@@Rendell001 apparently Patton said it because it was soviet Muslim Kazakhstan troops committing rape and incest when they went into Berlin
The problem with the whole current situation is the inflationary use of the term Nazi as a general insult.
If you stray even the slightest from the current samethink you are immediately branded a Nazi. The term has lost all meaning. If someone asks me on the street whether I'm a nazi I usually answer "probably in someone's eyes"
We are not going to see it coming because we have people spewing unfettered hatred, but they are doing it in the name of progress so it is okay.
We have people who are actively violent against others. But they are doing it in the name of progress and justice so it is okay.
We have people rallying in ever shrinking tribal bubbles thinking they are working for the one just cause and that makes the means they use for their struggles okay.
They don't even see that they are being manipulated. All it takes is for someone to capitalize on the whole situation, take control of a certain number of bubbles and unify them under a single war cry.
World war 3 is coming but it will not be nation against nation. It will be civil war all over the place. Which is far more dangerous because those unhinged violent people will not be bound by any wartime conventions. They will wage the war that even Hitler dared not.
Very correct!
It turns out again and again that you should never confuse the truth with what most people say or think.
It is precisely the opinion of many that has the greatest chance of being incorrect, because everyone has heard it and virtually no one has studied the subject neutrally themselves.
Most have nothing more than a prejudice, which always ends badly.
I have never heard Germans calling anyone Nazis or anyone in Germany or europe. That is mostly a USA thing I thought.
Ignore the low IQ dimwits.
The word has been badly devalued and especially with so many people leaving school and college without any education about WW2 or anything since , mention anything about politics and they will roll their eyes to show their complete disinterest and ignorance .
If Left fascism is rewarded,, expect it to keep coming up over and over and over again until it isn't.
An important factor in the success of the Nazi socialists, which is only hinted at in Furguson's analysis, seems to be the ingenious use of the then new media, such as radio, film and loudspeaker systems. Hitler and Goebbels were enthusiastic cineastes and very quickly understood how they could use this medium for propaganda purposes in newsreels, documentaries and feature films. Hitler practiced all the poses for close-ups together with his personal photographer Hoffmann. Directed by Leni Riefenstahl, this was realized with perfect dramaturgy. Nazi propaganda was also skillfully presented in entertainment form in feature films such as "Jud Süß", "Ohm Krüger", "Schiller" and "Friedrich der Große". Radio was perfected early on for propaganda purposes using the "people's receiver" ("Volksempfänger"). Broadcast of Hitler speeches were compulsory in schools and companies. Last but not least, the synchronization of the press has to be mentioned. This should also be taught in schools and universities, because today's new media pose a danger to Western democracies in the hands of demagogues that should not be underestimated.
I fully agree with all your points here, critical thinking is a skill that has to be taught and is not inherently given to us.
One small nitpick though - Nationalsozialisten or just Nazis. Nazi socialists is National-Sozialisten-Sozialisten. And Nazis never were (as could be implied) socialists in the common understanding, but a far right authoritarian party which fished for confused/conservative (!) workers to give their vote to.
A very good explanation about the rising stages of totalitarism is given in the excellent book from Mattias Desmet (The Psychology of Totalitarism), which is partially based on Hannah Arendt's famous work. One of the conditions for totalitarism is to massively spread fear among the population (this is also how Göring answered the question about the secret of control). As a German, I can assure you that this country is the home of fear (German Angst). Each country has its specific flavor of collective tendencies. In Europe we can perceive this very clearly. Italy, France, even Switzerland all are very different to Germany. Each country has specific strengths and weaknesses. E.g. Germany has a strong tendency for obediance, law and order. Furthermore, different to the Anglo-american countries, it is missing several centuries of grown democracy. For these reasons, Germany is specifically vulnerable to totalitarian ideologies. The end of 1920's last century provided some specific window for that. And nowadays, by the way, we can notice early signs of totalitarism tendencies in many countries, which come in a cold, technocratic flavor, without political pop stars. And again, fear is spread among the population (climate, health, economy, war, whatever serves that goal). As mentioned in the video, every country needs to be vigilant. But especially Germany. One remedy is when many people begin to work on their personal development (individuation), so that they are not so easy to manipulate anymore. The German authors Raymond Unger and Hans-Joachim Maaz have published many good books in this direction.
The book from Desmet is indeed a very important one.
True individualism is the cure to collective downfall indeed
@@blxcc Nope, look at the 3rd world shithole US with all the gang violance, drugs, school shootings, poverty etc...
@@blxcc No, it's not. People also identify over selfish goals, shared by others. Germans are mostly very selfish people. Cold-hearted, disinterested in others. Yet, these same people would vote en masse for another wrong figure, when they all individually saw their chance to blame others for their own mistakes and gain by that money and/or power.
Well, we've suffered immensely under germans. We've been traumatized 12 times in 6,5 years time. Germans shy away of nothing to hurt and damage others for their own good. And especially those with higher educations seem to be prone to blatant power abuse! It's one of three major character flaws in most germans: unrighteousness, incompetence and power abuse. I mean, even the cashier at the supermarket gladly abuses her tiny bit of power! But those in certain positions do it all the worse. Germans have this need to be respected, more than other countries I know. They love the 'Herr Doctor' nonsense. I write nonsense, since their doctors are also mostly incompetent. When germans make mistakes, their small egos can't handle any criticism. So they blame someone else instead. Hence their unrighteousness. When you show they messed up, they will viciously attack you in the most base way. They will falsely accuse you and take you to court and lie immensely and trust that their reputation will protect them from being found out. Which is true, for german lawyers are as incompetent and bad in serving their customers and german judges don't even read the materials presented to them. We've lost so much money in this extremely evil country, full of 'respectable' people.
The same mentality that was in their (great) grandparents lives in the current generations. With the wrong person in the wrong circumstances I totally see germans start the next world war, based on their perceived personal gain.
It's often forgotten how much chaos was in the streets with the Communists versus the Nazis after the fall of the Weimar Republic. People wanted a return to normality. Hitler provided "law and order" and scapegoats for the loss of the Great War.
🇺🇸 10:16 …Currently, Trump presents himself as the only "savior" capable of "saving" the USA. Many people believe him.
After the French marched in and seized the coal and steel area, the economy died in hyper stag-flation, people pawning their silver to buy bread. You'd sit down for a coffee and it was 100 million marks, by the time you paid it was 500 million. Photos of people with wheelbarrows full of money...capital flight was the problem (Keynes learned from this). Rich city Jews were smart enough to convert their money, and there was some resentment, seeds for Hitler to develop.
And by 'scapegoats' you mean the folks that actually were responsible for losing the war, and for all the problems in Weimar as well.
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@@Orxbanethe average J was no more responsible for their leaders actions than we are for ours.
A very accurate quote by one of the most influential german poets Heinrich Heine says: "The German is like the slave who obeys his master, without chains, without a whip, by the mere word, even by a glance. The bondage is within himself, in his soul; Worse than material slavery is spiritual slavery. You have to free the Germans from within, nothing helps from the outside." As a german, I couldn't agree more.
and the few of us who have that drive for freedom either get labeled *ists and lumped in with the idiots who confuse reactancy for love of freedom, or resign in inertia.
i know i do, at least.
Erinnert mich an den Witz: Warum kann es in Deutschland keine Revolution geben? Weil es gegen das Gesetz ist!
Heine was a German-hating Jew.
Weißt du wo Heine das gesagt hat?
and Americans are on their way... thanks to the university and democrat city slave state.
Perhaps (another reason) why the extreme events happened in Germany and not other countries is they were very resentful because they lost WW1 and were punished severely by paying repatriations (on top of the Great Depression). Another possible reason is they did feel betrayed by people back home as a reason for the defeat, in particular the Jewish race. I was surprised after (re-reading) 'All Quiet on the Western Front', the supposed classic anti-war film, the comments at the end of the book seemed to reflect that. It must have been a huge propaganda tool for the Nazis to exploit.
The "Dolchstoß-Legende" was a big rhetorical point for the far-right and the monarchists in Weimar' times, but the jews came into focus due to the blame of the "liberal, criminal banksters" and "weak socialists", "wishy-washy social-democrats" and generally people "with no german qualities" - especially the will to keep on fighting. All this including the irony that many german-jewish folks went to the front out of pride and/or sense of duty and home.
Antisemitism was big, for a very long time in Europe.
Scapegoating the "rich banksters", the "liberal wussies" etc. today is as en vogue as it was back then (not that I don't agree on giving those fraudulent white collar criminals what they deserve - long prison terms...) - but back then this particular profession had a lot of jewish people.
These days I personally think it's mostly the lost/not-taught capability of critical thought, and the following inability to understand what the news are (not) telling, and how one is being manipulated from MANY sides, WHILE being bombarded with information, correct or fraudulently false.
Your former points I would fully agree on.
An interesting trio of threat factors outlined at the end of the video - Prosperity, Propaganda and Coercion/Force (you could call it simply Power if you want the alliteration). When viewed this way, it's obvious that these factors three are very different from one another:
1) Prosperity - this is a good thing! Everybody wants prosperity for themselves and everyone else who they love and trust, and wants to live in a prosperous society and world in general. It takes hatred and strong distrust to want to take prosperity away (deny it, starve it, block it off, destroy it etc.), which we do see repeatedly in history. But many are reluctant to stymie the good times while they're feeling good, as a pre-emptive measure against tyranny and slavery.
2) Coercion/Force - this is obviously a bad thing! Nobody wants to be subject to coercion, and only approves or tolerates its use under extreme protective and preventative scenarios. Yet it is equally-obviously an essential part of how civilisation operates, so we can't take just it away either - we must regulate it, and indeed we do so rather eagerly, unlike with Prosperity.
3) Propaganda - this is a mysterious thing that has an objective definition in the abstract sense, but whose physical manifestation appears entirely in the eye of the beholder. One man's partisan agitprop is another man's poison, or paradisaical parfait of perfection, depending on how you look at it. Everybody is interested in the world, so everyone keeps their eyes and ears open to news, media and conversations and engages in them actively and reactively rather willingly, and when these conversations seem good and make sense to us, we consider them normal and healthy and worthy of protecting from naysayers - but when it makes us uncomfortable or seems wrong in fact or morals, we quickly label it propaganda.
Is it all acceptable, or is it all propaganda? Either way, the modern world is saturated it in, and the era where this first became a reality was arguably the one in which Hitler and the Nazis rose to power. Marshall McLuhan was basically correct that major advances in information media transform everything, and that the contents of said media matter less than the media itself in this regard. Hitler's ideas of racialism, extreme nationalism and anti-semitism were far from new and original, but through electronic mass media they went from a slow-boiling concern to a volcanic eruption. And now look at where we are, with a 24/7/365 cycle of pseudo-news doom-porn that seems custom-built to radicalise and divide!
In summary, I think that Prosperity and Coercion are the good and bad end of a relatively normal and timeless aspect of how our civilisations operate and grow. It's propaganda that's absolutely vital, and understanding this means knowing that *all modern media is propaganda* - including this youtube video and this comment section right here. *All of it.* We are living in a propaganda age, and Hitler was the first major ripple on the surface as the world shifted into its new paradigm. We're all a lot more used to modern media know, so Hitler hasn't reoccurred in the Western 1st World yet, but numerous dictators have popped up over the years since, and the danger remains beneath the surface. Solving this problem means solving the divise, distorting and deceiving aspects of all modern media that make it so propagandistic altogether - no matter the message or its speaker.
As a German that has grand parents that lived in the 3rd reich and told me first hand, I have to say you missed out two major issues. One of them was the lost WW I and the humiliation to sign the surrender in the train wagon in Compiègne. And 2nd the result of the peace treaty of Versailles, that forced Germany to pay reparations and to give up their territory in east and west.
That Hitler used the same train wagon to let France surrender shows the significance of the first event.
After WW II the allies understood that to prevent a 4th Reich and a WW III they could not make the same mistakes again.
And in times when the world was struggle with economic problems people where looking for a scapegoat, which became the jews. Antisemitism was not only popular in Germany, it existed in a lot of countries, even USA. USA the country that fought the evil Germany in Europe, but took until 1964 to declare racial segregation as unlawful. And don`t get me wrong, Nazi Germany was evil.
Fun fact throwing bomb on people to lead them into a democratic future worked only once in history in the case of Germany. That never worked in any other war fought since that.
I can only agree, Sir.
Also the german people as a whole, as well as their culture and history before the Third Reich, was destroyed in WWII. Germans are barely alive nowadays. Most don't even connect to their country anymore and lost all roots. And politics today destroy the remains of our once so beautiful country.
That makes sense.
Wrong. It also worked in Japan.
@@Kden420isnt that the same war?:)
I am German, how Peterson explained the positive feedback circle of practicing rhetoric by virtuously collecting the most emotion arousing parts of the latent collective unconsciousness is the most convincing single aspect I have ever heard when arguing about Hitler‘s charisma.
It‘s even more convincing when you take into account the nihilistic ethical background after Nietzsches „Gott ist tot“, the collapse of political, economical and societal structures all at once after the forlorn war, Versailles, hyperinflation, depression and the resulting resentments therefrom.
As Hitler undoubtedly had an artistic streak it seems he experienced kind of a so called flow while developping this particular form of rhetoric Jordan Peterson explained so well in just a few sentences
clearly the people were not feed up with the degenerate liberalism and freedom of the Weimar period. It had nothing to do with the pure unfair vicisous punishment post versailles, it had nothign to do with the communist revolution in 1919 led by the small hats. It was just charisma and some "unfortuante" effects, like pure magik, that led to people being swept of their feet..
Lets just ignore all the interviews with ordinary Germans reflecting about that era, in which they show a clear lucidity, to prop up this effeminate post hoc pyscho analysis.
I've heard and also observed myself that Germans are not true individuals. They're like a hive-mind group. Scratch the surface and they're all the same. That can be an explanation for the mass-psychosis in the 20s-40s under Hitlers reign, the Third Reich. Of course, this is an exaggeration, but I do think that Germans behave strangely similar in many cases. If you annoy a clerk in a cafeteria or gas station, you can be sure to receive the Schnauze and rude treatment. I'm not seeking to offend any German, but these are some thoughts that I've encountered and also observed as a Swede who has been a multitude of times in Germany and also lived 1 year in Berlin. Add to this the "Herrenvolk" attitude and the fact that the Germans are in fact a capable people...
Oh right, I forget about the hyperinflation germany went through.
I am Ukrainian and I want to say that most of the occupation by your army was conducted out of all the territory of ussr mostly on our lands - not russian . My people, my relatives, were forcefully brought to Germany to Arbeitslagern. But we have our common history for much longer period than that. We had agreements 100 years ago, when we were sending wheat to Deutschland , starving after the WW I. And each time your country makes the same mistake with us: you try to force us, breaking our trust - instead of being our ally. You make the same mistake all over and over again. You choose wrong allies. Even now, had Deutschland supported us since our second time independence , we would have been stronger today together then ever. MIT treue Kameraden im Bunde. „Zusammen, nicht allein“. I do hope your Volk manages to turn the wheel of karma in the right direction. There were whole regions in Ukraine, settled by Volksdeutsche - and we all lived together in harmony. We should take this as an example from our ancestors
I look forward to visiting your country next year for the European Football tournament.
We play you in the opening game.
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This was a very thoughtful conversation. As some earlier commentators mentioned it was not only the depression and inflation but also the reparations and - what it is more - the feeling of unjust treatment. That was the breeding ground for this anger. And Hitler gave easy answers to it. There is one aspect which is from my point of view very often forgotten: Germany lost it elite, its ruling circles. The Kaiser had to leave and all the way society worked and grew over centuries. It is a very bad idea to destroy the ruling structure of a country; changes have to come from itself over time. Up to now Germany lacks a real elite, real leaders. This vacuum was filled with Hitler. By the way my grandfather also pointed out the importance of the importance of the charimsatic personality of Hitler. He wanted to kill him because he thought without Hitler it wouldn´t have worked so well. But the lesson really is: It can happen everywhere if some circumstances come together. Loosing the ethics is one very important aspect.
Why do this interview's camera angles look like a Starfield conversation?
There seems to be no mention here about the Versailles Treaty and the sadistic catastrophe that it forced upon Deutschland. Perhaps America will have to experience the same thing.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
What about sadistic Treaty of Brest-Litovsk ?
It will
Still not a complaint. Germany took alsace and made france pay outrageous debts. Do not mistaken suffering for a justification for evil, as Germany had placed harsh terms on others
In the end he literally describes the tactics used during the pandemic.
You are off base there. The pandemic was about a possible terminal disease. The Hitler/Trump problem is much more complex and needs to be studied outside what a democratic elected government can withstand or prevent. It's the people that gets manipulated and made into tools of oppression. First 1000 fanatics, then 1.000.000, then 50.000.000 and soon the rest will have to follow or be terminated by the majority. The buildup are spread over time. Fueled by propaganda and fear.
Bullshit...
i understand what you mean but i wouldnt compate the pandemic to totalitarian regimes because during pandemic we were literally fighting the virus that could kill people in millions so all of us had to pull at the same end which meant staying at home and avoid any mass gatherings
@@neo69121no we weren't, and no one cares what you think.
My issue with your understanding of the pandemic is clearly influenced by the misinformation provided by persons such as Dr Fauci. The average age of the persons who died from COVID was nearly 80 years. Young healthy people were at little risk of death and healthy children at no risk. Yet, the government instituted rules that terrified communities, especially the children. I believe the root of pandemic regulations was power of the government to control people.@@neo69121
As an ethnic German who grew up outside of Germany well after the war, having first learned 20th Century history from USA government funded school, in addition to US entertainment on the subject, and then later done a fair amount of research outside my learning bubble (including the reading of many now banned books), I can honestly say I feel sorry for my brothers. I hear of young Germans who are distressed at being German just because of the things they are told (and forced to not speak contrary to) by law. Revealing and rational information is out there, but it's unlikely to be found on major for profit hosts such as youtube and other corporate entities. I even have to be careful in my comments here, as I've found they can almost immediately be erased.
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@@Jobbast Wäre wahrscheinlich strafrechtlich relevant.
The Holocaust was real. Germans of today aren't responsible. There, problem solved in two sentences. No need for any kind of revisionist history.
They really want to keep the German spirit crushed in every way they can. It's heartbreaking and unjust.
If we want to have freedom of speech and democracy, then we should be able to hear all opinions and various sides of the story. I think it’s unjust to legally hamper the freedom of expression. Truth comes through open communication.
Hi. Beeing a German and as I had very old and close relatives who survived it all, let me give you my impression. From the conversations I had with my aunt (died aged 104 and wanted to stab Göring, giving religious classes and spreading the "von Galen-Briefe" in the nighttime back then) or my father (aged 100) and so on, I learnd the following: The french lost the war 1870/71 and afterwards the german king had crowned himself as emperor in VERSAILLES. That was like hitting every French in the face. The French took revenge in the treaty of VERSAILLES at the end of WW1. Being quite prussian in their way of looking at things, this was an equally severe offense or shame to the Germans. Resulting in the "Dolchstoß-Legende" and things like that. The absurdly high reparation-payments to the Frech did not make things better in that crisis. In addition came the hyperinflation, hunger, los of perspective for almost everybody, world economic crises and the feeling of beeing betrayed and kicked into the dust. People would have listended to anyone who told them, they were great and had hope and a future. False prophets rise in the crisis. And in that situation the Nazis offered adventures to the Hitlerjugend and status to the hopeless. Showed "success" with Volkswagen and technical inventions, constructed the first autobahn, invented official holidays. To many people they were the making things better and whats more, presenting the ones to blame. This mixture in a still very hirachic society was toxic and gave the Nazis the space to act and take over control. And yes- lots of Germans back then wanted to punish the ones who were presented as the guilty, having caused the bad situation. Put some massive but practial lies to tha mixture and .... boom WW2. Personally I worry about the methods and mechanisms Mr Trump is using/implementing ... Best regards from Germany, Chris
Yea Versailles was basically "get back". Germany wasn't nearly the only nation that was complicit in the persecution of Jews. They just paid the only price for it
Yes Putler (a.k.a. Putin) and Trump are faithfully following Hilter's example...
Please explain which of Trump's methods and mechanisms worry you.
Death of Empire, costly treaty reparations, hyperinflation, unemployment, the Bolshevik threat next door, too much beer, the Weimar failure and a charismatic corporal's demagogically fueled resentment toward a financially resilient, productive, and ultimately doomed element of the population were the perfect nutrients of the national socialist petri dish.
In the face of all this, if you are worried about Mr. Trump's "methods and mechanisms" to keep my country centric and even-keeled through the current fog of political idiocy, you need to worry more about your lens prescription. Durch den Nebel sehen, hörst!
@@nvjakobek Everybody else is stupid and wrong, he is the only solution to the problems that the others constantly cause. He never makes mistakes, he es the only saviour, it is him or final catastrophy, nothing is true unless he declares it to be true, offending others, using minorities to cause worries and blaming them for difficulties and problems, and so on.....polarisation, typical for dictators - we had that here in Germany some decades ago....most people here in Germany have the impression that this man is equally absurd and dangerous. Greetings Chris
The fact that today it's very difficult to find a complete video of any of his speeches is terrifying in itself of the modern world.
...looks like everyone burns the books they don't like.
You can't watch them in full or subtitled because they might start resonating with you and the situation we are in right now. This is Weimar 2.0 and caused by the very same people
@@Orxbane funny enough... with the same issues..
Oh they might come for you, what do you know? ;)
@HISTORYCHANNELJAPAN Has some of them, it's extremely educational and i think we shouldn't close our eyes and ears to what we don't agree with, we need to understand it to not make the same mistakes or fall on the same traps, but sadly in current days it's all about hating what's disagreeable and condemning free thought.
What I miss in this discussion, is the elefant in the room about economics in Germany.
Germany was due to pay reperations to Belgium and France after worldwar I.
And was settled on 269 Billion Deutsche Mark, wich was more than their annual BNP.
And Europe made use of these payments to pay the debts to the USA .
The hyperinflation was a mix of bad economics worldwide in the 1930's and is due to this payments in Germany.
That was the time Hitler rose and stopped these payments.
The German people were starving, no wonder the German population stood behind Hitler, it was a matter of surviving.
Completely right. What they also ignore is the centuries of french attacks on German territory that precede WW1. So being told to pay reparations to this arch enemy was even more humiliating to the German population. No wonder they wanted to stop this. It is really not that difficult to explain. Hitler or not, any other leaders who would have set these goals would have been cherished.
No, that's too simple an explanation and the video did address this briefly.
There are many other countries with sometimes even starving people, who did NOT start a world war. Who did NOT become each other's worst enemy.
The economics only paired with a deep desire of germans to feel important (they still have that today!) and with their overall tendency to blame others for their own mistakes (they constantly do this today!). I live in Germany for well over a decade. We are their victims. We have been seriously traumatized at least 12 times in the last 6,5 years in Westfalen. Which goes so far as suing you in court for their own mistakes! As trying to make you lose your income, based on pure slander. These are evil people! Selfish to the core of their being. Even they don't like each other, but fail to see they are part of the problem.
Germans have three major character flaws: they are unrighteous, incompetent and love to abuse power.
Here an example. My german foster daughter needed to apply for BaFöG (some fund of money to live of for students) for the first time. She collected all the necessary papers. She made a minor mistake on ONE paper. That caused the worker of her case to throw out ALL her work and force her to start all over again, which takes months in germany (days in other countries, where people actually serve the ones, they are supposed to serve...). My foster daughter didn't know what she was to live of! She was so afraid. And this didn't only happen to her either! Normal behavior would have been to help her correct the minor mistake and help her get the fund right away.
Another example. I fell and hurt my back. Of the pain medication my legs got swollen, so I had to be hospitalized. I needed physiotherapy for my swollen legs to help them lose water more quickly. Instead they forced (!) me to learn to walk with crutches. By that time I could walk on the swollen legs again. Only my back was still badly injured. This was utter nonsense, but they earn more money with certain procedures. True story! I only tell true stories.
Okay, one last one: we have a small business for which we must pay VAT. For our business it's normal to receive a down payment. In one year we were so small still, that VAT was not a thing yet. The next year, we did have to use it. You have to give them the VAT figures in a certain online form. Only thing is: it doesn't apply to our situation with down payments. There is no way to fill in the form correctly. So I called them and they don't even know how to fix it! I would be called back, but it's 11 months later and I haven't been called. They say they write all interactions down, but there is no recollection or record of my phone calls or my letters or of the phone call of my tax advisor! So they estimated what we had to pay and gave us a fine for being late on top! But They did not provide the help we needed. Not even to our tax advisor.
Germans have a craving in them to reign supreme in their own little territory at work. But, since they are quite incompetent, they mess up. Then they unrighteously make You pay for their mistakes.
The same seriously flawed mentality, that was in their (great) grandparents, also lives in them. They feel the need to be Important! They don't have the necessary knowledge or insight, so they botch it up. They then make You responsible for their mistakes. And when you complain... they go after you with true nazi mentality.
Nothing has changed. With the right person in certain difficult circumstances, they will probably start all over again. Be warned. Beware.
We are currently trying to flee from this wretched country, dissolving the business.
I'm really bored by the economic explanation theory.
Indemnities and tributes have existed for ever in the world and never lead to anything looking like Nazi Germany.
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That's very naive
Atrocities were made constantly in our world history.
But only the Nazi regime were the really bad boys.
Tsssss.....
Well you can squeeze tributes out of weak people but strong people will eventually revolt. And you will find that pattern also "in the world"@@superresistant8041
13:40 Is Dr. Ferguson sure that the outcome is the same as he expects? Watching a whole speech might shatter your complete worldview. Hell, even reading "Mein Kampf" and afterwards turning on the news could spiral your whole understanding of the world out of control.
obviously I dont agree with the contents of speeches from that time but I do have to say that I love how much passion went into holding them back then. today I feel like 99% of speeches are just god damn boring.
I have been pondering my people's problem for some years now, basically all my life. And my history teacher taught me: There are always multiple reasons for anything mayor happening. So, here is the current version of the ultimate answer:
Humans
German Weather
Geographics
Patriarchy
Thirty Years War
Prussian Militarism
Late Unification
World War I
Versailles
Global Economics
Capitalism vs Socialism
sHitler
Germany suffered at the hands of the victors after they lost WWI. The punishment was calculated and deliberate. The French were especially determined to exact revenge on the German nation.
((French)
I would suggest partly true. I blame great domestic political instability as a primary reason why Germany went through so much economic turmoil in the lead up to their defeat & post Versailles where the French were going to hammer the German's in reparations given much of the war was fought on French soil and they suffered the most (along with Belgium)>
A very plausible yet unpopular explanation, because it is easily labeled as apologetic and seems to be a bit too mundane for the eggheads in university.
Keynes, the leading economist of the time, studied the Versailles reparations, and concluded that they were *designed* to be impossible to comply with.
And yet they paid for over 16 years. Look at the weimar republic
"A conclusion you could make from the Stanford Prison Experiment is that when you tell people to be cruel they'll do it, if you tell them it's for a greater good." ~Vsauce
Look at how quickly the state turned on people during c19. They turned to us vs them, them being those that didn't follow the party line.
We've all experienced it. Learn from it.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
My grandmother was 12 living in Oberhausen. They were expelled from their home and ask children were taken from their parents and moved to live at farms, sleeping with 4 in a double bed. The Germans hated the French for the repayment debts. The French even invaded and took control of factories to ensure the payments
(2 person bed)
@@m3z3lf Not uncommon for children at all. My dear departed Scottish wife had 4 girl children sleeping in one bed.
That testimony rang alarm bells in my mind. I’ve observed hitler since I was a child (28 now). Righteous behavior that calls for violence against an ethnic group should not be tolerated.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
droid: In 1933 already, "Judea Declares War on Germany". So who was responsible for the violence???
I've studied a bit of WWII, mostly about combatants. My understanding of WW2 is that WW1 really wasn't over. Many soldiers returned home to Germany for "losing" the war, but they pretty much all felt betrayed by the "elite". Germany was not doing well and many soldiers had no food or homes, they were living in the streets eating rats. The population saw this unfairness and that idea of unfairness rose to the point they wanted change. The Nazi party used that and gave that underlining drive of the people for change an explained enemy (The Jews). They blamed the Jews and many people could stand on the street and see the contrast between how well the Jews were doing and those suffering. The Jews were not particular helpful of the nation's situation. However, I'd imagine things were so bad that the Jews had the view that if I try to help I'll be in the same situation as everyone else. The Treaty of Versailles added to this sense of unfairness. This unfairness and drive for change lead to Germany accepting many things we now see as terrible. However to them, it was necessary and justice. Germany did not see itself morally bankrupt. However, I do believe that much of the German population wasn't aware what they were doing to the Jews beyond rounding them up and sending them away. I'm not a Nazi apologist as I am grateful they were stopped. I just think it is important for people to realize how dangerous blame is. You get a crowd together that blames the same person/people and you let that fester or even feed it... it'll turn into an army willing to do anything to complete "justice".
When you talk about German resentment, it's important to add the "stab in the back " myth was very important to that mindset, and was pushed by Luddendorf, who had pushed for peace himself, but found the myth a good way to avoid responsability.
As for Versailles, the war had damaged the entente land too much for the reparations to not be big, though they weren't crushing
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
one big thing young people did not understand is that the lived in this time the would be to 99% nazis themself. in this time we would all fall for the things the NSDAP told the people.
@@Kamfrenchie They weren't crushing? Dude... Germany paid for a war that *all* parties had their fair share of "guilt" for happening for 92 years. The "victors" took everything out of Germany that was of any value. In fact, the reparations and other concessions Germany had to make after WW1 were so severe that the Americans did not want to participate in the abomination that was the "Treaty of Versailles." Some say they were utterly disgusted by the greed and plain hatred that the British and the French put on display. And that although especially the British were among the biggest war mongers before WW1 (something that British historians oh so conveniently tend to forget), with the French not far behind. It almost seems the Americans were the only ones who understood that this kind of greed and immoral BS must lead to a new, an even greater war. And boy, oh boy, were they right!
@@codiersklave I am french and I completly agree with you
Hi, I'm German (born 1971, politically centre-left, I would be a Democrat voter in the US). According to my history lessons and what I've been told by older people here, there were some more things that played a role: 1. treaties of Versailles - in Germany they felt too harshly punished by these agreements, this perceived unfairness made them angry, they felt collectively treated unfairly. 2. appeals were made to the original German virtues of "doing the right thing", "being upright", "solidarity", "believing in the greater good" and "standing up against injustice". This strengthened cohesion and a sense of belonging, 3. the name of the party "National and Socialist" - i.e. for "us" and "together" (against the others who treated Germany unfairly at Versailles). 4. the Nazis also delivered real results at the beginning (not just motorways but a few other things) - so they were credible and people trusted them to be able to do the best for the country. They were seen as the ones who didn't just talk, but also acted and delivered results. Another German virtue. 5 Hitler was the orchestra master of what was in the people's soul and, we all agree, channelled it in the wrong, evil directions. PLUS: Probably the best branding and marketing of any party in history (emotional storytelling, design, stringency, clarity, rhetoric, etc.).
Empfehle zu lesen: Wahrheit sagen, Teufel jagen: Author: Gerard Menuhin
Spot On ! a great nation brought low by internal strife,hardship and people striving for away out only to be met with skullduggery. i.e. The Kaisers Army was full of German Jews !
You are nearer to the truth than you think. The Nazis actually pioneered modern electioneering and political campaigning, the same methods are used now all over the world.
You would vote for the Clinton's and Biden??? You must be bloody daft!
Der grösste Effekt ist, der Deutsche ist ein Untertan, er ist der beste Untertan der Welt, seit mind 1000 Jahren. Es gibt kein Volk auf der Welt, das so wenig persönliche Freiheit einfordert und seine Obrigkeit dermassen unkritisch akzeptiert, wie sonst irgendwo auf der Welt.
Due to there being very few great conquerors in recent history I think one thing which is overlooked and isn`t well studied is the self-actualisation need of a whole society. Along with why that results in people putting the great conqueror into power.
You can find short clips of dynamic speakers from the beginning of broadcasting to this evening, funding full length spoken speeches of any speaker is difficult because, in part, the minute clip (the YT generation mindset) describes long speeches as useless. When they are the very seeds of power. That is one reason today's media stars interrupt candidates speeches with their take on what is being said AS IT IS BEING SAID. In doing so, they intentionally become the focus, leaving a gifted speaker as a 2 sentence sound bite out of context, but the media pretends a context that suits their agenda.
The word "demonic" is totally appropriate. There's the sociological-historical explanation, the "great man" explanation, the economic and Marxist explanations, but the one level nobody talks about is the spiritual. And that means that all the other explanations, even combined together, always seem to be "missing a piece" that none of them can seem to find, and so none of them, nor all together, are able to "close the case" to the degree they'd like.
Wow you just proved a masterclass of how to not say anything with a whole bunch of words
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It is crystal clear to the exorcists what he is saying. The hovering of a possessed person is a common sign of the presence of a demonic BEING
If you extract a goal from all of Hitler's actions, then you might think that his goal was to kill as many people as possible in the shortest possible time. Especially Jews, the people of God. So you could think he sacrificed these people to Satan in order to get power himself. He miraculously survived many attempts on his life. Maybe he was protected by Satan.
@@brianabbott2255 he's talking about loss of religion, the death of God mentioned in the video, that gets superseded by ideology because humans are incapable of being 'atheists' since, well, death. Leaders like Hitler use that void and fill it with nonsense. That being said, stupid much?
God it's so refreshing to watch this in comparison to the generalist nonsense one sees on traditional media. Discussion, even in contrasting opinion is what evolved us beyond savagery, Sadly we're regressing through tribalism.
Nothing wrong with tribalism. Tribalism is what just might save the West. Looks like you've been duped into thinking any forms of Tribalism are bad. Yet all those other non-whites sure as heII embrace their tribalism.
"Sadly we're regressing through tribalism."
There is no WE. I am not regressing through tribalism; also, I am unconvinced that tribalism is a regression or that humans collectively ever left it.
What you write is complete nonsense. What about the Versailles Treaty, that strangled germany to death and left them with their backs against the wall?
What about britains role in that? Alleged history is british propaganda bullshit.
@@republitarian484 What makes your tribe superior besides you beeing in it?
Although you're right this discussion is more intellectual in nature, don't be blind to the bias of these interlocutors, they both are trying to push a political narrative, the pundicy is hidden and therefore arguably more dangerous.
Every German family lost loved ones due to WWI and every German citizen was astonished about the outcome of the peace talks.
The only words I can remember across the breakfast table in the 60's with dad is that I said a united Europe might be a good idea. He dropped the Times and said god help you when the Wall comes down and then carried on reading. Mind you he was biased after five years in a Silesian stalag. I can only hope if the Europeans have another showdown we have the sense to stay on our side of the Channel this time.
As a German, I wish we would also be known for other things.
and for those who appreciate literature and art and architecture Germany is well known and appreciated!
But this is a very German problem. Germans need to free themselves from history. Why does Germany have this obsessive need to take in refugees and reject any kind of German nationalism?
Why? Why was it such a big deal to send weapons to Ukraine. Germany must move on and put Nazism in history books and leave it there.
[EDIT: Now that you have shortened your comment, my reply may seem out of place. I will keep it up though, because the German Guilt Complex seems to me to be an important problem to address.]
I think it's our own duty to shake this guilt syndrome off and reject it when someone tries to put it onto us. Instead, we should stand up straight with our shoulders back and make ourselves known for better things - first, by reminding ourselves of the better parts of our history, culture and traditions, then by reconnecting with them.
The left may try to indoctrinate us with this guilt syndrome through media and schools so that we do not speak up for ourselves. But the world does know us for better things - just travel and ask.
The only people I have ever heard shouting "Deutschland verrecke!" (=Germany, die slowly and painfully!) are German Antifa members / Socialists. Never a Brit, Frenshman, Russian, American, ect.
That tells you where the problem is.
@@silviaquesada2499... not to forget engineering, medicine or other STEM fields.
@@scg7092 correct! I haven't lived in Europe for quite a while, so what is closest to my heart is all the beaux arts. Kennst du das Land wo die Zitronen bluehn....etc
My grandfather was a retired Lt Col in the United States Marine Corps. A veteran of 35 years, who started out as a private and landed on Tarawa, Saipan and Tinian in the Pacific War said two things to me that have stood out and now are haunting in these post COVID times - "a human being is capable of just about anything," and "most people want to be led, they want a government to tell them what to do, they don't want to participate or to worry about governing themselves, they just want to be left alone to live their lives and will do what they are told because, obviously 'others know better,'" he said, "the 'best' form of government is a 'benevolent dictator.'" Even as a youngster, I knew he was being sarcastic. He also added, "Americans are the exception." Now, I believe he meant, Western Civilization is the exception. I will never forget his wisdom and his stories, some of which would "curl your toenails." Hearing Dr Jordan and his guests reminds me of the conversations I had with him, and what he fought for.
Except, America is NOT the exception. Nor is western civilization.
No, he wasn't being sarcastic; a benevolent dictator IS the best form of government.
And we live in a culture that glorifies violence. Not a good sign to be warm to something so cold.
@@randyv2425 Every culture has glorified violence.
And what made the West the exception?
Churchill supported the British Eugenics Society and was an honorary vice president for the organization (Blom, 2009).
-Natalie Ball
Blom, P. (2009). The Vertigo Years: Change and Culture in the West, 1900-1914. Toronto, ON: McClelland & Stewart.
I live in Argentina and my President whom I voted for, has many of the orator qualities and his success lies much in the concepts that they explain. But with totally different political and economic ideology. Milei's success is worth studying
"Nationalism" was not the bad part of "National Socialism".
Given that Socialists have overtaken our education system, it's not surprising that this simple fact is not broadly understood.
Exactly.
Dont you think Hitler's emphasis on the Germanic/Arian superiority as a state and race played a part in his ideology and corruption of the German people?
@dillonfriz well show me a successful state that wasn't built by "us"
In a way he was right on that and Haiti and Zimbabwe prove it.
Eventhough socialism was in the name, they weren't socialist.
Man was I surprised when I realized that England was a socialist democracy! you are socialists, did ye not realize this?? as mercy have you been screwed over by your aristocats , and kind charlie as head of the church of satan ! why be surprised, and America is not happy with England ! do not betray America but you have at your own peril !
I think Peterson is on the right track with the term "resentfulness". But what I missed in the discussion was the aspect of national hurt pride, the feeling of humiliation and the desire for revenge after the loss of WW1 and the Versaille treaty. It may have been implicit in the discussion, but to understand Weimar I think this deserves more exploration.
Except the truly rational planers, aren't moved by this. WWII was at least the third attempt of the Germans to break out of their geography into a world more like the British empire, or ideally the US empire with a continental reach, and both agricultural power, and industrial power. The Germans saw this as essential to their survival, and they presumably looked at what the cost was for the British and the US to respectively achieve their aims. Hell the Congo was decimated just to build some fancy buildings for the King, who seems to have been acting separately from the Belgian people at large. So what moral constraint did the Germans feel they should embrace? And the thing was. The Germans wanted to clear/murder 40 million people in the East in the first 2 years after Barbarossa. But the Russian had already had a start estimated as between 3 and 10 million people during the Holodomor, so it might have come down to a mater of German vs Russian administration.
The versailles treaty couldn't have been made more lenient given how ww1 had unfolded and how Germany had acted.
A bigger thing imo is luddendorf's lies about how the army was stabbed in the back in WW1
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
@Kamfrenchie you can't be serious. How can a humiliating and economically crippling treaty be lenient? No serious person in modern historic research still puts the blame on the war solely in Germany. For many decades now, this absolute inaccurately stance on the subject is not only contestad but blatantly false. (Cristopher Clark published good common literature about it). It only was the common narrative because conveniently the Germans hat to sign the treaty and accept the French narrative which is just stupid on a moronic level.
And not to forget how hypocritical the treaty was. It included many plebiscits in regions about to which country it will belong. When the plebiscits had a result against Germany, it was accepted and in many regions where the results where highly in favor of staying on Germany, the results have been ignored. Basically onesided breach of the treaty just because the french and poles didnt like results
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I said the treaty couldn't be more lenient, because the war created untold devastation, and Germany worsened the damage inflicted to France and Belgium land by conducting a scorched earth policy during their retreat in 1918.
The treaty wasn't economicly crippling, For one, France couldn't dictate the terms on its own, so the UK and the US made sure Germany would keep on existing, without being crippled too much. Some in the UK even thought France might become a rival, so they wanted Germany to remain a power.
The amount of reparations supposed to be paid is what germany initially proposed.
"""It only was the common narrative because conveniently the Germans hat to sign the treaty and accept the French narrative which is just stupid on a moronic level"""
This is untrue again, sicne when does a french narrative prevail over an anglo saxon one ? Especially since people like Keynes could be openly critical of it ?
Again, look up what treaties Germany enforced on France in 1870, and on Russia at Brest Litovsk. Very harsh terms each time
Maybe all here should listen to Benjamin Freedman Willard Hall, Wad DC 1961 speech on the topic and you will better understand...
Best comment !
*The people of Eurasia, including Western Europe (most of whom are Christians) have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries.* Because it is easier to divide people based on personal differences, than it is to unite them, based on what they have in common. Strategically ambiguous rulers make use of this, for own advantages. In the era of European Imperialism, first London dragging along her junior partner Paris, then after 1945 as European colonial powers' influence decreased, the role of divider was simply taken over by Washington DC (the entire world was the playground during the Cold War).
Now the intention is simply to avoid unity in Eurasia, in order to "rule" over the dissent which is classical "divide and rule".
Today, their leaders are too weak to unite.
Endless wars, constant dissent.
Insert "levers" of lies, mistrust...
Create favorites: favoritism...
Point the finger, everywhere else...
Divide and Rule.
Oldest trick in the book...
Who wields the POWER?
Who has had (in all historical cases in the ME/Levant) the GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE of being able to reach all the other little buck catchers (tools, and other Roman-era style instruments of POWER), but could not be reached itself, because of a geographical-, technological-, organisational-, military-, strategic-, political advantage at any given point of a historical timeline?
"Most of the great problems we face are caused by politicians creating solutions to problems they created in the first place." -- Walter E. Williams
I'm afraid even to point out the parallels with the American condition today. This was a wonderful discussion. When I was in college, a local movie house had the audacity to show Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will", and one of the professors was part of a movement to ban the showing (of course, in the name of "liberalism"). Even then, I knew we absolutely need to see that film and believe all contemporary film courses need to show it, not to embrace what the film ultimately supported but to understand how public rhetoric works. Public policy and social.issues today are being formed by exactly the sort of performance art Hitler mastered, and yet we are largely oblivious to the mechanisms.
can we imagine for one minute what would have happened to the world if Hitler had the internet !!!
@@kirkyorg7654He would be ridiculed and criticized so much that he would shut down all dissent and use it as a propaganda tool. Same as Dictators do now, not wanting to name names but I can think of several countries practicing this behavior
Walfred, wow. Weird that you mentioned Leni Riefenstahl....just finished reading "The Boys In The Boat" !
Are you actually afraid or are you loathe to rehash the common list? We literally brought them over here, I'm pretty sure they never gave up on their dream.
One big protection for the US is a very strong constitution and zero ability to have referendums. Hitler used lots of referendums.
Except that the truth is that in the United States many of the same beliefs and actions were happening... though not to the degree it was seen in Germany. And to be fair much of the anti-Jewish matters were shared by almost all European countries. The reason things didn't explode in other countries (to include the US) I believe was because Germany ALSO had some deeper issues and national history that other nations didn't have. They had things in play that not only allowed for what happened, but were factors for it as well as fueled it's burn. But much of it was not unique to Germany... which is why I shake my head when folks act all superior and wonder how on earth could Germans allow to happen what did.... were your eyes open during the Plandemic?????? Hello!!!! Did you notice what happened in the US and most other Western countries?
Cheers!
Also, along the same lines, all of the West were engaged in 'cleaning the blood lines', or more practically speaking: restricting, neutering and electrocuting people with various mental and physiological deficiencies. It was 'the science' of the time.
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Exactly, it was totally insane seeing people believe in the wildest unsupported claims regarding the vaccine. The parallel you can make between antivax audience capture and Hitler's populism, is eerie in terms of similarities. Distrust of institutions, us vs them mentality, disinformation, feelings over facts, charismatic voices...
Working people weren’t getting their share and hitle saw an opening that he capitalised on and with the credibility of a national government a crazy man became the driver of industry and the holocaust was an industrial rate pogrom and Germans followed him through the gates of hell merry Christmas it’s all true
Germans had freed themselves from Christianity thanks to Goethe, Voltaire, Nietzsche, Luther. . . They destroyed the Catholic Church with their critical thinking
A similar thing happened in Northern Ireland when a certain demagogue Reverend stirred up one side of the sectarian divide against the other - homes and businesses were burnt out, sectarian slogans painted on their walls, Paramilitary organisations formed ( I remember as a child a full platoon of paramilitaries walking down the main street of my home town in full camouflage gear, drilling, platoon leader blew a whistle and they all instantly took cover, then reassembled and marched on...) this propelled him to leadership in our country as an MP , then later an MEP, positions which he held for decades. As I said, on a smaller scale, but followed the same pattern....
I have a feeling like the Anglosphere is greatly overestimating the role of the Holocaust in the ordinary German's lifes (or at least in politics). But if you find some full-lenght speeches you'll notice that they're almost never about jews. I challenge everyone who reads this to find me a part in any Hitler speech where he shouts evil things about the jews. My impression is, that most people believe it would be easy to do so, to a point where they would say "just listen one minute into it", but in reality he hardly ever even mentions them.
Also Hitler seriously wanted to deport them to Madagascar up until the war broke out and that's circa what the public knew (and supported) about his bigger plans. I also need to remind everyone reading this, that the majority of Germans in 1933 were still simple village folks who spent their days taking care of their farms and fields. If they wanted to see a jew they had to travel to the next city, on horse carts. The real Holocaust started about two years after the war broke out, people had many topics to care about, with disappearing jews being rather abstract to most (all the village dwellers) while the bombers blazing their farms and all men getting drafted was a "very first-hand experience" so to say.
PS: I have to add that travelling to the "next" city often meant a whole-day journey in only one direction; at least that's what it was for all of my great grandparents. It was always a strange and exotic experience for them and you can honestly count the times they were there on one hand, for their whole lifes. That's how often they had the opportunity to cross ways with a jew, and that's about what role the whole topic played for them.
The “viral spread” of national socialism was not amongst ruling elites that Ferguson refers to early in the video - it was accepted more widely by farmers, working class and lower middle class Germans. The industrialists and aristocrats were largely disdainful of the “Bohemian corporal”
the broader masses found appeal in the promised prosperity. The Nazi party wasn't called "National Socialist German *Workers* Party" for nothing. It's also important to note that a large proportion of the unemployed in the Weimar Republic were veterans, who had to endure the dismantling of their military, loss of leadership and who weren't accepting of a democratic system yet. They were easily fooled by the Dolchstoßlegende and lined up to join the SA and Nazi ideology.
Socialism is attractive to lower IQ people, that's why it's so dangerous.
That may be true, but the industrialists supported his appointment as Chancellor, thinking they could control him.
@@scottweisel3640 yes I think von Papen said those exact words to Conservatives. Don’t worry.
Franz von Papen mainly wanted to use Hitler as a springboard for A) an upper class stranglehold on politics and B) the eradication of the socialists and communists. Unfortunately, being as foolish as he was, he never considered that giving more power to Hitler might've been a massive mistake. That is not to say that many among the upper class of Germany didn't support the Nazis. There're numerous examples to the contrary. While the Nazi rise couldn't have been accomplished without the working and middle classes, the elites played their part decisively.
That was my issue in Political Science as well, so many tried to boil everything down to economic determinism. I saw so many of my fellow students just accept this and not question it at all. That is what separates people like Dr. Peterson and Dr. Ferguson from alot in that field, they asked questions and went looking for the answers.
It's not just economic standards they equate everything to. Pick a subject or concept and they do their damnedest to reduce it down to an absurd corrupted and twisted binary format that has nothing to do with how reality is and works at all.
Ferguson makes an excellent point, as you say. Economics sets conditions, but it does not create the exact situation. A "demonic demagogue" such as Hitler could harness the economic state to his own ends.
Anything with political in the name gets politicised. For politics "science" is interesting because it carries a lot of credibility (which is the currency of a politician). So I assumed that Political Science results in pushing a political ideology and not busy themselves with approaching and describing politics through the scientific method.
I don’t understand this argument. If people are being exploited and they turn on their master that’s just reasonable behavior.
@@axileus9327 But those who believed they were the masters really don't like it.
Well said, dear Sir. Excluding partly part about Capitan Marvel movie, which I've found entertaining and apperance of that hero in End Game was written on clever way.
The technocratic influence in Germany started with their phone systems and culturally adapting Germany to integrate women into the work force, esp. in phone switching. It was eventually rejected because it expected the phone operators to behave like machines. The performance objectives were impossible to adhere to, though this was eventually replaced by technology.
I would imagine that tapping phones, radio devices and surveillance caught the average person by surprise. Of course, working under the technocrats, it would be hard to remember details…
Fifty yrs ago I worked with a German who showed me pictures of him driving Himlers motorcycle with Himler in the side car. He told me of the horrible conditions in Germany after the embargoes. 4 of his 12 siblings starved to death along with 10 mollion other Germans. He had no idea of the genocide of jews until after he spent 2 yrs in a prison and cried about the Holocaust. When i asked why the Germans loved Hitler he said simply he put food on the table and brought German pride back. He hated the Nazi's but loved his country. The general population had no idea of the evil of the Nazi's.
The whole bloody business of two world wars was to stomp on the rising power of the German industrial might, the USA was the world power after those conflicts and the Jews got what they wanted - a homeland, they should have been more discerning. In light of today's international politics, they jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. But then it was not the Jewish people that so decided, but the Zionists. The British empire had long since eclipsed, their natural resources depleted.
Or of the other truly evil men who instigated the conflict of the Great War which then insured through the Treaty of Versailles the greater world war, the only winner the USA.
Or of the other truly evil men who instigated the conflict of the Great War which then insured through the Treaty of Versailles the greater world war, the only winner the USA.
The putting the food on the table issue -so true.
The not knowing issue -mmm I asked my German family friends in Munich Did you know. They answer Yes.
I asked how so. The answer I received was that train traffic with people came through and on out to Dachau a few kilometres away and never returned and that sometimes in the afternoon there was a smell of burning in the air.
I then asked why did the German people mostly do nothing and I received the answer if you were known to do anything you would be on the next train.
How would you and I have reacted
*1.* Discussing: 'The *Jewish* Question/Problem" is *racist and bigoted.*
*2.* But discussing 'The *German'* Problem' is totally fine.
Can someone help this make sense?
I think you might be misinterpreting what they mean by that phrase. They aren't suggesting that "Germans" are a problem. The "Problem" is wrapping our heads around what happened. How could such a catastrophe occur? Can we guard against it happening again? etc.
Nothing to do with race.
Yes of course. It has to do with the suppression of women from the patriarchy that pervades the societal mechanism in every hierarchy possible by means of capital and binary sexual interpretations.
This is preciselly the manner that historians work today.
well you see, Jewish and German are different
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It has nothing to do with that.@@christopherneufelt8971
Neil was a lecturer in Harvard? surprises me after listening the podcast at London School of Economics with Former Liberal party minister and now a lecturer at LSE
Without even mentioning Hannah Arendt or Promo Levi is this supposed to be Science
I think there is one point that is often overlooked in the discussion about the reasons and that is the meaning of the monarchy. After 1918 the German political order was formally a democracy, yes. But the people were not used to think and act as a democratic souvereign. I think, Friedrich Ebert (SPD) was right at that time. He thought that Germany should keep a monarch after the 1st World War, embeded in a democratic system of course. But by taking out the monarchy the only factor that could have provided some outlasting continuity and orientation in challenging times, was removed.
Interesting to contemplate...makes sense when evolving to a new form of governance we could need someone(s) to be stewards of the transition to help align new ways of being, thinking, governing..
Italy had a king too who decided to hand all of the Italian empire over to Mussolini after the march on Rome.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
Bravo, well said, Versailles and the disappererd Kaiser took away a basement on what a new start could be done.
Democrathy enden up in a socialistic experiment what was occupied by right/left dictatorship ....right wing from industry , left wing from Stalin/russian communist world revolution.
(Today this is called Green Party die Grünen ....hidden communists) )
This is a little bit short-thought. Parliament and parties already existed since Kaiser Wilhelm I.
Fascinating guest. Thank you.
Now you know why it was imperative for the pandemic to be more deadly in nursing homes - placing blame of elderly death rates due to co-morbidities, not because recovering infected were transfered into nursing homes.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
I love the argument that is just tossed into the room and not further explained like "I could but I won't". Surely nobody is expected to just believe that argument. Plz DO bore with DETAILS!
When Prussia defeated Denmark, land was taken and a large indemnity imposed. When Austria-Hungary was beaten, a huge indemmity was assessed. When Prussia defeated France, land and an enormous indemnity was imposed, with an army of occupation in metropolitan France until the indemnity was paid.( The French exerted themselves and paid in full early .) When the Prussian/German Empire went to Versailles they... lost land and were assessed an enormous indemnity. They got a German-style peace treaty and hated it. My my. They responded like Lucille Ball arguing with Ricky - WAAAAHHHHHHHH !!
youre daft
A major lesson from Germany is to not assume that the elites 'know better'. They do not all the time. Education should and can give knowledge, but it can also limit critical and independent thinking as the teaching gives limited perspectives and often fails to understand the psychology of humans and the irrational nature of human emotion.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
Critical thinking has gone overboard in the last 3 decades
This discourse is part of the problem, Search "the systematic humiliation of Germany" to find out the real german problem.
As history shows, elites are wrong 98% of the time, while the plebians are wrong only 95% of the time.
Germany had its nose punched. USA didn’t.
It’s hard for Americans to understand Europe from the 15th Century onwards.
Nobody talks of the Ottoman Empire, if you want to talk about slavery.
Or the Mongels!
There is one particularity of German cultural history which has always fascinated me: the susceptibility to ideals. Where most nations tend to be too pragmatic to follow their national ideals to their (inevitably) bloody end, Germany is willing time and time again to exhaust itself completely in the vain attempt to live up to some political idea. I believe that any other industrialized nation would have stopped and reconsidered before condemning their traditional main product (fuel-driven cars) along with the means to produce anything cheaply (nuclear power) at the same time - that in my opinion is not only due to the unparalleled incompetence of the German government, but also to a weakness for ideals. And once a bad ideal has taken hold (which I fear all ideals are, once put into a state of absolute authority), it forms a kind of national cult unknown in other European cultures. Hitler placed himself as the grand priest and prophet of this national cult, and ever more explicitly so as his power grew - imitating prophetic speech and gesture in his appearances, and copying Catholic ritual in the assemblies.
Also, as others have done, I have to point out that the then apparently needless surrender in WWI and the horrible conditions of Versailles were a major factor in the mental state of Germany before Hitler.
Thanks for the very interesting clip!
A good point and not a new one, of course, much has been said about German idealism in the 19th and 20th C.
I wonder, connected to this idea then, what the role of a sense of 'destiny' played in propagandizing the masses and enabling war (for example eastern expansion). Hitler and Goebbels played heavily on a sense of destiny for the German people and I wonder, how is that different from the sense of destiny/place in the world that Britain or the U.S had?
Was it a very different type of sense or was it just a raw material to be shaped by malign actors and acts? (so therefore that a sense of destiny is manifestly dangerous, as can be seen now in Russian mass media).
One important factor is the German Guilt. To overcompensate for this and to be a super good people, the Germans are very disciplined to cults promising spiritual and economic or economic purity.
Thus the suicidal success of the ecosocialistic government and Merkel‘s open borders …
It has to do with Prussian authoritarianism and German aristocracy (which believe it or not is still visible today), as for the Prussian authoritarianism the allies wiped Prussia and it’s people off the map to “defeat” it
@@burtleboeuf1429 Right, personally I think it was a very unique blend of a profoundly deranged man at the top, mixed with the need for a heroic figure that could bring order and prosperity back after the fall of the old world order, on the backdrop of a society strictly structured on obedience and martial ideals. Somehow Hitler and the inner party fit right in at the right moment. Still, they had to lie to the public about a lot of things, to the point where "wenn das der Führer wüsste" (if only the Führer knew about this) became a common phrase addressing all the wrongdoings that officially the party didn't approve of. And that is where the famous German idealism allowed people to just ignore all the evil. At least, I think this is how it came together.
Germany is very pron to ideologie. We are known for being the country of thinker's and poet's. The German mentality longs for perfection. A perfect socialist monoethnic state in the past or like today a perfect marxist multiethnic state. The problem is such a state can't be achieved and is highly irational und unethical. So we as a nation are failing over and over again, because of our radical ideological errors. It's almost comical to be honest, yet most Germans are unable to see the connection between the past and today's woke politics.
I had parents who lived through that period, old enough to remember mass un-employment and hyperinflation in the 1920s. I learned a lot about that time period from first-hand accounts. While not a historian I read a lot of the literature that describes the general mood of thas era. To suggest that Germany's situation, politially and economically was comparable with other countries, is simply misleading. The war reparations contributed significantly to the hyperinflation, which led to entire socio-economic groups loosing everything. Those groups and their sense of helplessness in the face of financial ruin made them extremely susceptible for the Nazi ideology. What also did not help was the neutering of the Christian centre-right party by the Vatican in Rome.
War reparations didn't cause hyperinflation. That was a conscious decision by the German establishment.
See the writing of Ludwig von Mises about it.
I did not say "cause" but "contributed". The war reparations strained the Weimar Republic's economy, leading to excessive printing of money to meet these demands.The total amount was set at 132 billion gold marks, a sum that was astronomical at the time and far beyond Germany's ability to pay. To fulfill these obligations, the Weimar government resorted to printing more money, believing this would be a temporary solution. @@contekozlovski
@@contekozlovskiYeah, but weren't those conscious decisions a reaction to the war reparations?
@@laaaliiiluuu they didn't want to pay so they self-sabotaged.
@@contekozlovski Why did they self-sabotage by refusing to pay?
You would be surprised, there is a really good reason why things keep repeating themselves, but the people who create the problems never want to fix them at the root cause. The Japanese explained it very well. The law of equivalent exchange.
They keep repeating because the same people the NatSocs were fighting against keep doing what they always do, where ever they go.
"the people who create the problems never want to fix them at the root cause. "
We have met the enemy and it is us. You can only fix yourself.
in this nearly 16 minutes more was explained, with words that made sense and with facts, then what i have learned, or thought was taught right, then in those many hours of goble di gock, that repeated the same that One write, the other thought is the reason.And the third took it as fact. Chapeu to those two Gentlemen for explaining what was right and what not.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?
@@AllOtherNamesUsed BIBI IS THE PROBLEM...
Versailles is not even mentioned
@@basierteruser no need to, or so he thinks. but most people who know a little history know about. Even though i think, and from listening to other voices as well, Versailles was NOT the main reason but ONE reason so that the Aquarelle Painter could gain that much power.
@@benediktmorak4409 one of the main reasons
Extremely succinct and valuable clip.
German here and I'm wondering if there's any country out there with an identity close to ours?
In Germany we have so much devision, so many people founding sub groups to work on the "better Germany"... There's literally a kingdom within Germany that crowned a sort of "king" and they're buying properties to build their own Germany but in the "better way" to make it great again.
Then there's also "Reichsbürger" who are germans who don't identify with the german state and say that they are citizens of the German Reich and not the modern Germany. They want to replace our current government with monarchy and put a legitimate prince in the position to rule Germany.
Then there are also "East Germans" who don't identify as german but as east german because they say that everything in the east is now westernized and they don't identify with that.
Then we also have actual remaining Nazi Groups who try to bring back the Third Reich.
And last but not least there's also the Antifa, the radical lefts, who want to destroy the german state entirely because it has done too much bad in it's history.
And those are all groups who in one way or the other not accept the Bundesrepublik Deutschland as "their country".
Now include the devision between woke germans and conservative germans who at least recognize the government...
And NOW imagine you have hundreds of thousands of people from other countries who just come to Germany for it's money and don't even learn the german language but identify themselves as "german" as a status symbol for being rich but actually still identifying with their original culture and THEN also not even recognizing the german state and having no respect for our police and for germans themselves (I experienced it myself).
So that's modern day Germany... Is it just us or are there similar countries in any way?
The English are similar, lots hate us and we are a hotbed of national division. As nations we are like cousins that had a massive fight and each of us think that we are better than the other.
America is dealing with similar problems but not to the point that "kings" are being made and buying up property, we technically have nazi groups but they're an extremely tiny minority, I hope the best for Germany, if any nation deserved to shed it's reputation and come out as a leader of the free world it would be Germany
America in a weird way.
IN the northwest, you have a bunch of whites that want to form their own colony free from the southern invasion and imposition by the incompetent cosmopolitan coastal elite and live more rural lolberterian soft white nationalist lives.
In the northeast, you have a bunch of whites that are very insulated and want immigration for everybody but they marry and keep to themselves and implement very strict racial codes within their own social circles (they are the most ethnically genetically pure demographic in the US).
In the south, you have a bunch of whites and even blacks that are hostile to northern yankee's that illegally invaded in 1867 and stripped them of their land and culture (not talking about slavery here, there where other reasons for that war of aggression as the rednecks call it.)
You have a bunch of brown hispanics that flooded the Southwest in the 80's, and are salivating to reconquer "Aztlan" and make their own dystopic shithole. And are actively working to change the landscape into something else.
Then you have the scattered cosmopolitan urban mystery meat of the continental US that think they are better than everybody else, and that its their duty to spread their values and ideas of "democracy" and "liberty" across a global empire, while crying about "colonialism and imperialism"
And many more!!!
Brilliant analysis!! thank you
We have similar situations in America. We have a far left and far right just like most other nations on Earth. The far left seems to have highjacked most facets of our society, though. Cancel culture, indoctrination of leftist ideals at school and universities, open borders, social justice warriors at the highest level of courts/police in most of our major cities, you name it. Sadly, most of our major cities are having huge problems with crime because of this, too. Especially violent crime. There is a mental health crisis in this country that no politician wants to talk about because it's easier to scapegoat guns, Trump or his supporters, or "racially motivated" attacks. The truth is, we all have our problems. We need more civil dialogue across the political spectrum if we are to come together again as a nation. I've seen some progress, but there is a lot of work to still do.
The loss of the First World War and particularly the overly punishing Versailles Treaty were two irritants that made the German people ripe for the promise of a greater Germany. Hitler recognized and tapped into that very successfully.
As a consequence of losing the First World War Turkey faced far harsher conditions than Germany. But then Turkey got an Atatürk, a visionary and Germany got a Hitler, an evil sprite.
That is right. The abandonment of religion leads to the inevitable conclusion that ethics are always transactional and relative or nonexistent. So, any act is also morally neutral.
they did not have the internet, but they had advanced skills (when compared to other parties in Weimar Germany) in marketing....they knew where to contact their target group...Goebbels had even consciously moved to my home town for a while (a heavily industrialized city) in order to build up the movement..PS: Meinecke's thoughts are worth enlarging upon
who is Meinecke?can u refer me somewhere?
Wow this was fascinating. The last few sentences really hit me in the face. These are troubling times we live in. I pray that we all find the courage to speak up and speak out.
Prayer c seems to be the ONLY answer.
“ *It takes courage not to be discouraged* ” ― Benjamin B. Ferencz, (Chief prosecutor at the Einsatzgruppen trial)
in Germany it gets more and more dangerous to speak out against the narrative, the government is just acting less public than in the USA.
Stephen Hicks has a 2 hr 45 min documentary on TH-cam where he starts with Nietzsche. There are answers there. This stuff is preventable, comes from Leftism and the Social Contract in my opinion, putting the collective over the individual.
Saying the N.S. were just crazy puts them in our blind spot, which means it could happen again. Need to understand what you're trying to cure. They saw themselves as oppressed just like BLM and used words such as 'Brutal' to describe their actual victim.
Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?