"if you’re creative, and you’re graded by someone who isn’t a creative person, they are not gonna think that you’re creative, they are just gonna think you’re wrong" - Jordan Peterson
@@Fastwalker27 The next part is not saying they are actually "wrong" it means wrong in relation to the outlined belief of what is right. Just because a lie is believed by the majority that does not make it truth.
@Mike Kane thinking outside of discipline has very little to do with creativity. it has to do with knowledge in different disciplines, which is not the type of creativity was talked about in the video.
@@handoverthejewgoldkyle3321 Eh, he was saying they are probably wrong. B/c they probably are. The issue is creative people come up with the same creative solutions repeatedly. It's rare for a creative person to come up with a unique solution that's better (Peterson literally says this). But it takes a creative person to come up with that solution to begin with. So while it sucks that creative people get punished in academia for being creative, it's necessary to make jumps in progress.
How many seek to understand the cause of their low or lack of motivation? I will tell you the cause is every decision you make leads further into the equivalent of solitary confinement in life. Nobody wants to hear that you know how to make life better than average without either enslaving others nor yourself. They will continue to treat and refer to you as a dead beat as you move further and further from their lifestyle excessively littered and complicated by simple but labor intensive tasks that you know how to simplify but keep getting sabotaged and yelled at for not perfectly complying with their demands which they set up for you to fail; or try to.
The 2 hardest parts - 1. Being respectful to those who know less and can’t figure stuff out as quickly as you. 2. Admitting and being OK with the fact that there are folks that know more and can solve problems more quickly than you and understanding that both 1 & 2 applies to all of us, except for two people.
nearlyretired It's my grandmother's story, usually you don't go around correcting their grammar, unless you are some delusional English school teacher! What, you think you are wise correcting my grandmother, I think not!
I am completely comfortable being around people that are smarter than me! I work in the medical field and when 2 docs or 2 residents are having a discussion about treating a Pt. I enjoy listening and learning! It makes me a better nurse because I walk away with more knowledge that I did before!
They only have more knowledge than you, not necessarily smarter. My wife is a nurse and is frequently shocked at the level of stupidity of some doctors. In my profession, (not a nurse) I feel like a professor now that I know so much about my profession and am teaching others. I’m also not very smart...
Sometimes I think the difference in intelligence comes down to curiosity. I was born with an innate curiosity about most things. It has always amazed me how incurious people are. They don’t ask questions and so many have no inclination to look deeply into things. I’ve had family and friends who actually get mad at me if I ask “ too many questions”. They seem to take their inability to answer as if I’m trying to point out their faults. If someone asks me a question I take it as a sign they are listening closely and are really interested in the subject we are discussing. I take it as a complement. I never took an IQ test but I’ve been labeled as smart and now being older and looking back at my relationships and realize being “ smart” at times has been a hinderence. Early in relationships friends often look at me as having the answers for all their problems then when they realize I don’t have anymore answers to life’s problems than they do they become disenchanted and drop me like a hot potato. I even got singled out and made fun of being “ smart” by my own family growing up. Even so I would never give up my curiosity and love of learning. It is what makes life worth living.
I had that curiosity ground out of me over time, but sublimated it by going to libraries (I lied to my parents and said I was playing sports). Over time the internet arrived. I'm grateful that I can still satisfy my need to know, in a world where being curious gets you labeled a geek or a nerd, and dismissed.
Lynettebrinkman: I couldn’t agree with you more! I’m an information junkie! I have way more interests in way more subjects than most people. I love learning something new or finding something interesting that I can use in a different way. And yes, there have been people who I thought were friends who clearly used me to fix their problems and dropped me like a hot potato when I didn’t. Good riddance! You don’t want users in your life. Most problems they needed fixed were problems they created for themselves. Once you point out that THEY are the problem, they don’t want to hear that. Have you ever been tested to determine if you’re an INFJ personality? Meyers/Briggs have a test that can determine your personality type. If you’re an INFJ, there’s only a small percentage of people who “get you”. But the good news is, it won’t bother you too much because you’re doing just great with your own company! Just a thought that you might want to look into. Keep learning. Keep being curious. Keep being you!
daryl foster The Idea behind this quote is actually wrong. Let me explain: Think about the average Persons Networth,and then realise that half the people are poorer. But when you actually look at the average networth of an American, you will realise that 80% of all citzens are below that. What you are searching is the median person.
@@tex1751 Someone with an IQ of 58 would basically be retarded so the fact that he can use a word such as hereditary in a sentence correctly means that he is obviously lying. That's the point Remy was trying to make lmao
@@idek2069 you do realise iq is a made up abilist nonsense and your ability to write English has nothing to do with your ability to do well on mathematic and logic related tests just like it has nothing to do with your ability to cook or play tennis. Every skillset is a thing for itself.
Intelligence, beauty, socioeconomic status, charisma, artistic talent no one is at the top of all of these things. There will always be some one better than you in some area
Yeah, I’m so much better at being more beautiful than most people. :) I bet you are better at being a vegan than most too. :) I’m just being silly, you make a good point. 👍🏻
Being intelligent is a double edge sword. It’s great because you learn things very quickly, but because of that you might never develop great habits. You also never truly appreciate your gift until later in life because being intelligent is just normal to you. School can also be frustrating in that it’s boring because it has to move at a certain pace. I had average grades in high school because I just zoned out the entire time out of boredom and never studied. When I went to undergrad I actually did study aka pulling an all nighter the day before a final. It was also where I learned I had a genius level iq (tested multiple times). Even with my almost nonexistent study habits, I ended up getting good enough grades to attend a top med school. I was an idiot. I had zero work ethic and just smoked weed the entire time. I ended up rightfully failing. That’s when I learned the hard way, it doesn’t matter how intelligent you are, what really matters is how you apply yourself. Those that end up furthest in life all have one thing in common, an exemplary work ethic. Intelligence can be a hindrance if not properly utilized.
Boy do I feel that. Top 98th percentile here. School was so boring and effortless that I dropped out early and utilized a state loophole to get a high school diploma via a GED and state constitution test. Coupled with ADD-ADHD, I never developed the vaguest understanding that anything would ever be difficult for me to figure out. And then I got into KU's chemical engineering program. The experience of being surrounded by foreign geniuses that DID grind their way half-way a cross the globe really messed me up for a good while. They really do set you up for failure by winding you up with dreams of greatness; oh you'll be an astronaut, or a president, maybe a great scientist that revolutionizes the world. The jading experience child geniuses experience usually kills all those notions dead in their tracks. All the studies I've seen indicate that these child geniuses often do not go on to be revolutionary. Instead, they tend to stick to a specialized skill and settle into it as adults. The difficulty of navigating the gates of social mobility in order to attain their academic or scientific goals usually disenfranchises them to the point of surrender.
Top 0.5% at minimum here. Gifted is special needs. It's a curse. I seek out genius input like a madman. Never got anywhere though. Concussions from football derailed before I could fail. Retired ff/pm now. Grateful for my life and my wife. Moving on.
IQ tested 168. I thought that was normal for my entire life until I had to take a pain killer after surgery and remarked to my wife. "So this is how a normal brain works ". She did not see the humor.
@biggmackaz the smallest crack in logic can be hilarious to me and my wife just stares at me. The more I try and explain it the more I laugh. She just shakes her head.
@@biggmackaz Which country tested you on that level? And which test? Also how many on 1 million people do have this level with that test? In my country the scale ends up with 145+ because the reference group is to small for making any normal scaling >145. 145 is DEFINED as being top 99,9% where I live. (WISC tests)
I don't care how smart I am, I always try to improve and want to get more intelligent. If you think you're intelligent enough, you likely don't know much because you aren't trying to learn.
@Sage of the Six Bowls Eh, my IQ is in the gifted range (129, not an internet test) and I have a splash of autism according to the psychologist. But yeah, I don't know if I want to lead the rabble out of this dumpster fire...
@@VictorMarwood That's a given and there's no need to say much about it. The only real thing that's important is the hard work part. Without hard work, it doesn't matter whether you're smart or not
@@justthesonofsomeguywithout5173 This is nonsense. Obviously no one in this thread has a high IQ. Every high IQ person can do VERY little compared to the average and STILL achieve much more. It’s like a means of production increase. One problem people with high IQs have IS motivation because everything comes easy, so you actually end up doing almost nothing. If you do even 10%, you are already 400% higher than you simpletons.
Honestly I’m scared to take an IQ test. I’d rather not know what it is and keep it that way. I find more comfort in the fact that my IQ could be high, but at the same time be low, but I’ll never actually know unless I “open that box” to find out. Some days I feel intelligent, other days I feel like an absolute idiot, but that false sense of hope keeps me in the boundary between intelligent and below average.
Your ability to write in a well articulated, clear manner and spell words correctly indicates average or above. I have 133, but English is my second language so if I made any spelling mistakes I will blame that :p
The more we learn and read, the more we feel not knowing. The less we learn and read the more we feel we know everything. This is the paradox of intelligence. The dumbest speaks louder.
My IQ places me in the top 0.4% of the population for intelligence, but I have a bunch of unsolved psychological problems and I do not have any motivation to do anything nor any will to live. I've always been told I am very smart, since I was a child, and I think I proved it in many ways, but now that I'm 24 yo I see that, unless you're a real genius, what really matters is the dedication, the passion, constance and effort you put into things - and guess what, I'm almost a total failure despite my brain. If you read this and you are concerned about your IQ, I wanna tell you this: don't worry, explore the world and explore yourself as much as you can, find your path and pursue it with passion and tenacity, be able to make sacrifices when they're needed. IQ may be important in some areas, but it really tells little about who you are as a whole human.
Have you already tried to focus on seeking motivation from others? I mean, people are really good sources of motivation. Maybe you just need to find the right people that will give you motivation to look for a solution to your problems.
Generally highly intelligent people are more pessimistic so will not seek out $$$$ as they see all the future risks and potential failures - whereas a lower IQ person won't think more long term like 'what if this fails'
You know this is the exact same for me. Mine too is in the top 1% and I have an absolutely pathetic drive. I do only and just everything I have to, and trust me I have tried to motivate myself, but with iq comes the relative de-stability wich means depression and extreme apathy wich both in turn make you very tired of trying...well absolutely anything. If I have these small antisocial hedonistic activities wich keep me satisfied, why bother to do anything to change that? All you're doing with more succesion is raising the difficulty and possibility of loss in trade with only slight upgrades of comfort that lets face it you're absolutely going to get used to. Im doing fine, people around me are doing fine and I have no violent urges or life long enemies to keep me occupied so guess i'll just enjoy life
@abcd3625 Hi, thanks for sharing your point of view, that's interesting. I respect your opinion, but I have to admit that I don't agree with you. Essentially it depends by what you exactly mean with the word "intelligence". Maybe in english it has a slightly different meaning, I don't know, english is actually my third language. But for me, intelligence and motivation are distinct things, even if it's possible that they are someway linked. The proof that I am "intelligent" wasn't given to me by any IQ test, but by the results I achieved in my life, the comparison with other people, and what others did and do say about me. I've talked about IQ only because that's the topic of the video. Anyway, I graduated in mathematics and I speak 4 languages so I guess I'm not a "total" failure. The point is that my abilities just stay "on the paper" (as we say in italian), I have no drive to concretize and monetize them. I suppose it's a long and complex story, and to be honest I don't feel like sharing too much of my personal life on the web. Thanks for your comment.
@abcd3625 As for the fact that intelligence and motivation are linked, well, I don't how much about that is true, but let's assume it is: then it would be obvious to think about that link as a "probabilistic correlation" rather than a linear phenomenon. My words here can get a bit obscure, but essentially I'd assume that given a certain level of intelligence you'll PROBABLY have a comparable amount of motivation, but it may vary with a normal probability distribution: so if you're "lucky" (and God knows how many factors here lay beneath this "luck") your motivation will be even higher, if you're not, well, then you're more similar to me ahahah. Note that I am not saying that I do not have resposabilities in shaping my current situation! I just don't really think it's about a lack of intelligence. Leopardi was an italian poet and philosopher, he was one of the greatest minds of humanity, 4 yo he could speak 4 languages and translate latin poems. He had some psychological problems and had no joy for life, he died aged 39 and without any doubt he could have left much more than he did, culturally. It's just an example, and I surely don't have his genius ahahah.
and i have realized a while ago that most people are just plain dumb, and the fact that they are positive that they are smart makes them stay dumb. we would have much less troubles in the world if most people had common sense but we are in for a fun ride and it will get more and more wild with time
@@daryapeppo2359 спасибо вам !!! только что посмотрел видео не любит мама? она говорит очень банальные вещи. это не уровень Петерсона которыи как я считаю философ.
The important part about this, to me, is the need to emphasize the need for gifted programs. I have a very high IQ, and I am struggling as an adult to learn to work hard. I have a lot of admiration for people that work hard, and a LOT of them have surpassed me in life, and part of that is I never learned to work hard for what I achieved. Whatever someone’s natural ability, they then need to be placed into a situation to make them work for their accomplishments or they will struggle all their life.
And if you have a high IQ, school is a cake walk. And if you aren’t given an ample challenge, you won’t learn to push yourself. I’m just so thankful that I was hyperactive, leading me to gain that skill through sports. Now on to tackling childhood trauma😅
I'm of average intelligence, I've been professionally tested, and I'm okay with that. I've also served in the United States Army's Intelligence Corp. Since leaving the military, I've completed my degree in aerospace and engineering. As stated before, I'm of average intelligence and I'm okay with that.
I have learned over the course of my 67 years never to underestimate anyone regardless of their IQ or what I may perceive it to be. I have found that virtually everyone I have interacted with has a gift or gifts of one sort or another. A special skill at doing something I would be completely hopeless at and would in all likelihood never be able to master. This has helped me to be a more empathetic person which is a good thing in my opinion.
@Jacob J4746 I understand that. That is the socialist ideology that has become popular particularly among the less aged adult population. However, my point was, not very clearly put admittedly, that many people are a lot more intelligent than realized. As an example, I have known intellectuals with a reported very high IQ who don't possess a great deal of common sense or practicality. Sure, they may have a doctorate and in one particular case an amazing retentive memory and a chess grand master who somehow couldn't even figure out how to start his own lawn mower. In that case you'd have to wonder what constitutes real intelligence.
I've done intelligence tests many times as part of recruitment processes. Some times I've scored incredibly high near genius level. Other times I've been assessed as very average. It just depended on the style of the test and what frame of mind I was in and whether I'd done any similar tests recently. I can only conclude these tests are wildly inaccurate.
You conclusion is incorrect. The correct conclusion is that you are of average IQ and since IQ-tests are multiple choice, you got lucky on the problems you couldn't solve when you scored high. Also the tests used in recruitment-processes does not measure anywhere near genius level.
@@mada09 No you are incorrect and clearly don't grasp the fairly simple point I was making. I was not guessing in the tests I scored highly in, I found them within my capability on the day hence the high score. Tests where I had to guess some answers were the ones I did badly in as you would expect but that's not the point. If you score 90-98% on some tests and are told that puts you in a category that only 5% of the population could achieve then the test is saying you are a genius and that's a very unreliable conclusion if the same person can take a different IQ test and be deemed merely average. These tests are unreliable because they are heavily influenced by someone's background knowledge, training and prior experience of doing such tests.
@@rmelo2382 I just explained that they arent 100% correct since you can get lucky and guess correctly at the later harder questions. But if you can consistently score high on those low level tests that are used in recruitment, your IQ is probably not at genius level.
@@robertstorey7476 5% of the population arent geniuses. If you can not score high consistently on these tests you are just not very much above average. No genius or even "just" high IQ would ever score average on a low level IQ test used in these situations.
My view on IQ is that the score is one thing, how you make use of it is another. A person with an average IQ who works hard and attempts to learn as much as they can with the time and resources they have will have a much larger impact on society than someone with a higher IQ who does nothing or only goes through the motions. IQ is more like a test of capacity and potential. Output is up to the individual.
Scenario, a random human takes an IQ test and he scores lower than 100 , but he is rather motivated , so he take the tests again. This time he scores even lower , break time . It's the second day and the subject is motived to do well, takes the IQ test and he scores so low he starts to doubt himself . "I'm stupid?" , (For control , he isn't) anger and motivation rises and thus he continues to do every single IQ test he can find . And now on his X number of IQ tests finished he scored maximum possible amount. Was he actually smart , or was he just simply motivated to not fall in the "lower than 100" category? I think the smart thing to do, was to just simply not give any importance to such a simple IQ test. We currently have no "true IQ test".
In my experience the majority of people with a high iq can lack social skills. Some people are social geniuses but have average intelligence. My dad can not read but he can pull apart and rebuild any motor you put in front of him.
see people all the time that are regarded as the smart people, yet that by and large accept whatever they're told by authority figures and never bother to do the research to check things for themselves - then condescendingly dismiss the people that apply common sense skepticism, and take the time to dig into things and find out for themselves, as low IQ conspiracy theory kooks
Yup, we all have our strong points and weaknesses. I would add that I've known some really bright people who seemed to me to be in left field, their mind was always somewhere else!
My mathematical iq is 95 but my verbal iq is somewhere around 140. General iq is 128. My motivation for life is negative 100. People obsess over intelligence way too much it's useful for few decades of your life before you push grass and see if you get to explore other dimensions.
Stupid and ignorant are not the same. Stupid would be me getting drunk and driving my car despite knowing the potential consequences. Being ignorant of how a television works and not being able to service one doesn't make me stupid.
While I was at Work, I had to read some documents that were recently published. I understood them far quicker than my workmate. He said "your brain must be at another level" then I told him a story when I was at university. I had to process a technical paper with a peer. He answered the questions after 20 minutes, while I needed at least twice. I felt little, threathend, not enough. My peer was by far more evolved than I was. I did experience an improvement with time. I started to understand and process things quicker to the point I could compete with my peers. Did I become more intelligent? Or did I develop strategies? I don't know.
Being intelligent doesn't mean you know what to do with that intelligence. Theoretically, if you don't speak English you are never going to pick up a stone and call it a "rock" without studying another language. That's where the effort part of the equation fits in, I think; you need to put in effort to learn what to do and your intelligence is the horsepower behind doing the thing.
It is taken for granted that the intelligence of a person does not vary much over time. However it is well known that the brain can be trained to understand things better. You create new neural pathways which help you to process the information better. Is that a strategy? Or is it growth?
Wow, his remarks on the difficulty with creativity hit home. I always struggled with literature and writing professors because I would try to write something unique, but they never liked my work- not because it was bad, but because it was unexpected. I was called a failure so many times that I finally gave up on writing. I can't help but wonder if I could have had some success as a writer if only I had avoided the professors.
Yes. You would. Avoid the professors. They are conservative and want you to follow the orthodoxy. They actually don't want *you* to excercise too high a degree of original though. That's *their* job. I learned this on my masters degree. When I really 'reached out' and tried to develop an idea, they would interpret it as me trying to show them how 'clever' I was. I wasn't. I was exploring ideas. In the end, I followed their instructions to the letter and had no further problems. I got my degree, but learned nothing.
Same here. I got the smart kids together in school and we would just have full on stazi-type dossiers of every english teacher in our highschool. Detailing their political beleifs, their favourites, and other biases that play in marking. Obviously that didnt mean shit cus we soon figured out that if you simply fucking TALKED to them frequently enough, you would end up going a full letter grade up. Its actually retarded how English teachers operate. I genuinely hate them.
I’m considered mentally disabled, but I’m taking biochemistry this fall. Straight As in chem and ochem. Only work experience is at Mc Donald’s. Going to have to sleep out of my car for two weeks soon, but than I‘all have a fully furnished apartment, walk in closet, hard wood floors, washer, dryer and dishwasher. Right now I eat plain tuna out of a can, peanut butter, oatmeal etc. I watch the news sometimes and I see a bunch of liquid 💩
This is the guy you have to watch out for. Notice how he is happy with the simple things in life like eating and having a roof over his head, even if it's his car roof. He's learned to survive and now will apply the life lessons he learned through his struggles in a more relaxed environment. Survival of the fittest in action. I hope you ascend to your dreams.
I agree, the more you come up against your own intellectual limits, the more you see the world is full of idiots. Then It's hard to except no matter how bright you are told you are, or think you are, we are all imbeciles in the grand scheme of things. Epistemology is the hardest thing to get your head around. If your an idiot you don't know what I'm on about, if you're an imbecile, you still don't know the answer, but your more frustrated because you don't know?
Exactly right. Achieving any kind of high mark on an exam dealing with Chaucer, or Beowulf, or Shakespeare, particularly after all that needs to be said about those authors has been said, is no measure of intelligence. Solving the harmonic vibrations in the turbo pumps feeding the main engines on the orbiter, and the consequence flow instabilities leading to engine explosion, well that takes IQ - and hard work.
@@MrPhotonjockey My point is that intelligence is revealed with some difficulty, and as others have said, not by memorization skills. As to the forms of intelligence, it is worth noting that Howard Gardner's "Multiple Intelligences" has been shown to be not much more than a fancy parlour game, and even he has admitted as much. Stephen Jay Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man" is worth a read though to get some idea of the challenge of IQ testing. Rocket engineers are more than just mathematicians. And nomda ploom is a simpleton grammar Nazi. They represent the ends of the bell curve.
The problem isn't with people having a high or low IQ, it's the fact that those who are wrong are most often absolutely sure they are right while those who end up being right, most often question everything to the point where they become less sure that they are wrong.
@@TonnoNinja Listening is certainly a dying art .. and conversation died many years ago. Now we just have shouting matches and the one who shouts the loudest gets the most attention...and unfortunately it's not really the information people crave, but rather the attention.
@@kebl1965 I agree. I'm Italian and I think that in Italy "talk-show" are substituting debate programs in TV because audience prefer to watch people screaming random things then listening and thinking. P.s. sorry for "necro-commenting"😂
That is because people with low IQ accept what they are told by people they trust without question, while those with high IQ always question what they are told, no matter who says it. That is why certain demographics are so hell bent on supporting people like Trump no matter what they do or say.
If he really said that then he really is dumb. The way he is successful is very rare. It also doesnt even prove he is necessarily that good since the biggest hurdle in music and acting is getting into it in the first place. Being intelligent and going to uni gives you a far greater likelihood of success than being a rapper and hoping for stardom because it just womt happen for most.
@@toddsmith5715 Most people leading/having their own business managed to employ people way smarter than them, because it's easier to get employed than start your own thing. That's why many 0.1% people you know from TV/internet didn't even finish their degrees and have many degree and smart people under them, because they found out it's good to work with smarter people than you are, if only to keep up.
@@DarteX44 Oh I never doubted that this happens, since it obviously does and plenty of examples can be cited. My contention was that it's not "usual" meaning it's not the overwhelming norm. The examples generally cited are well-known success stories--like those which you alluded to. A little less than half of U.S. business owners have college degrees, but that's considerably more than the general population, and most of them don't employ people with more formal education than they have. Moreover, around 60% of small business owners have college degrees, and the number of college graduates they employ is even lower. So, It happens, but it's still not USUALLY the case.
I tested at bog standard average 100, looking back at when I was younger I think I was definitely cognitively underdeveloped in many ways. My saving grace is that I’ve always been curious about everyone and everything. I think it’s that curiosity that led to me having a way above average understanding of people and the world which in turn has given me the ability to start and run a highly profitable business. I don’t think having a average or possibly even a low IQ restricts you from reaching great heights.
And it shouldn't. IQ as a test was developed in order to find children who were struggling. It was never intended and the creator never ever wanted it to be used as a ostracizing or specializing factor. It was, have people take the test, find the people who score lower so that you can aid them in life as they need extra help. But no, this is why we can't have nice things. Honestly, an intelligence test should have a 100 as a marker or lower, just to find people that might need that extra help. That's it, you shouldn't even see anything above 100 regardless of your actual current idea of IQ.
Mr.Jake Wiley, you have me tearing up right now. I know this is youtube comments but damn I wanna network with some of you here. You're literally me, just the successful version. If there's one quality that defines me, it's CURIOSITY. Congrats on being successful.
I think, if you are not sick or got a damaged brain etc. an IQ Test shows how good you fit to the IQ test. I am a Dipl.-Ing. Electrical Engineering, Technical University, German Redbrick. 😊 Not meant as boasting. Did not test my IQ. 😊
Higher intelligence breeds loneliness and fragility by reflection. The echos of the mind ring louder and more often. The space to have a singular voice of peace reduced to a dream.
i was told i had a high iq in elemantary.. I have no college education, work 3 months a year and im fully retired at 38. not a single good friend by the way... cant even get along with family.. people are full of shit. and i like to be alone.. my networth is over a mil by the way.. without even trying
@@bigcpimpdaddy7217 Maybe people are just jealous of your success thats why they can't be your friends. Have you tried befriending people of the same annual income?
@@reggieshmeggie4219 i can see where ur hoing with this , but is more complicated than that. i guess i see through people and am an introvert that can be the life of the the party. i read the rarest personality trades and i have them.. soo maybe is me... but i see how people are very superficial.
I’m from Asia country and I graduated from one of the best high schools in the country (we have high school entrance exam here to select students here). I have noticed there are 3 types of students in our school: 1. The ‘The minimal study good grades’ students 2. The ‘Hard working good grades’ student 3 The ‘Hard working bad grades’ students (The majority) Sometimes hard work won’t give u the top grades, IQ do matters, I have learnt that reality a long time. ago.
Don't worry, work on your EQ and you will be more successful than the people with higher IQ once you start working. Work on being a better communicator, verbally and in writing.
@@Adam-cn5ib true, but you have to be in the top 2% in the country to enter. Everyone has developed their own study techniques during junior high. Yet there is a “ First place” and a “last place”. And finding the “optimal technique” for yourself is a matter of intelligent itself, isn’t it?
How do you know for a fact that the school you went to is the best, if all they do there is weed out the less talented kids, so they can avoid the hard work of actually teaching anyone?
Not necessarily true, I'm autistic and have lived with some extremely intelligent people with autism. This one girl is basically a genius, but very naive, like a 4 year old. She's the type to easily fall for scams for example. At the same time, give her a complex problem, or puzzle and she'll figure it out quicker than anyone else in the room. My point is, if you don't know her she seems like an idiot but she's actually rather smart
@@Lo0nex_ Nobody knowing is better than you telling everyone how smart you are. That is in fact the best way to make people think that you aren't smart and if you go around telling people, you probably aren't.
Realising that half the population has an IQ under 100 not only explains a lot... but also helps one to make allowances for the inevitable consequences.
Depends on what the average is. Average is what the majority will be, so it's not a set number. Ideally you want people to slowly raise that average to make 110 or something the new average overtime, but since it's a stupid bell curve and not an actual good measure of intelligence in the long run, you just move the goal post. If everyone were 100 or higher, things would be better, because function and cognizant thinking are really important to everyday life. There was actually an awesome episode on a old badly CGI'ed show called Reboot in which the kid character wishes he was the smartest person in the world. His wish is granted when everyone else becomes stupid, but his intelligence stays exactly the same. It highlights why a comparative measure is inherently stupid because it doesn't mean anything if your bar is set too low to begin with.
Working in the military I have seen young lads that, can barley function in a classroom environment, rapidly problem solve a dynamic combat situation and instantly deliver instruction on how to solve the current situation. It's a level of intelligence that is magical to witness.
I think a lot of people are like that. Classrooms are just a giant bore but put them in a situation they find stimulating and their brains come to life, often in a spectacular style.
How many of them are still alive? You obviously fared well. I mean.."combat soloution" Oh wait..it was a "situation? .it was dynamic! So what? Was an enemy involved other than " bro, yo got this" at your military complex at home? Did you witness them in combat overseas to only be alive so you can dictate a working understanding? Eff off. You're not worth your salt, gamer.
Were you not raised in a society that strives for equality? If you were then there should be some kind of hesitance to use a test to arbitrarily decide a person deserves less opportunities than someone else. The real problem is that just because someone is "smarter" than someone else doesn't mean they are infallible and superior in every way to said other person.
If you want to learn, find people who are more knowledgeable. The stupid guy pushing a broom may know where the bathroom is in his building, very useful info when a smart visitor needs to relieve themselves!
@@jeremyanderson3819 It is not arbitrary, and there are approximately zero places where an IQ test is used for placement. (OK. Except MENSA.) Also, it is not *fewer* opportunities. It is different ones.
I've got an IQ of 142, but it hasn't been particularly useful in real life. Social skills, common sense and hard work are much more useful. Being rich is always helpful too.
@@carlgauss1702 i see. I agre with you. English is not my first language, so can you explain to me what was the main point of Peterson in this video please? I will greatly appreciate it.
@@thegreatgatsbygatsby474 People can work hard for their dreams and maybe they will achieve it. But its easier to achieve it with an high IQ. So if u have an low IQ u need to work much harder, or you just go on another path thats more in your league and work the same amount as every mediocre guy.
Had to screenshot this. I took an IQ test and got a 116 so I’m not an idiot by any means but this comment is just so awesome and true. So many of us forget this
But the people who think they are smart are usually stupid. And people who are smart enough realize they aren't the smartest, think they are smart for realizing it. Therefore think they are smart. Wich means they could actually be stupid. A loop in logic that I thought of cause I'm smart. Wait.....
@@supercomputer0448 it’s because smart people know lots of things but feel stupid because they are aware of how much more in life there is for them to learn so they feel stupid meanwhile dumb people don’t realize how much there is for them to learn and they think what they know is lots when it’s not so they think there are smart
Why someone with lower IQ should be grateful for it? He has to work harder to catch up with others. For example in school I had to work my ass off to get average results while my friends didn't study at all and do well. In the end I accept the way I am but it doesn't mean that I have to be grateful for it.
I love how annoyed people get that there might be someone too stupid to do something...right up until you suggest they have an idiot as a surgeon. Then they agree some people definitely are dumb and should be kept out of certain things. Self-interest always seems to focus people's opinions pretty well.
I am a school administrator with 25 years in the business. I have advocated for IQ testing for 25 years. My idea is to test at kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grades, then in 5th grade. By developing a composite score to index standardized score by we will have truer pictures of kids ability and how they perform with it. It will also allow schools to schedule and tailor curriculum for students that is with in their skill set. Currently we expect every kid to do the some level of work based solely on their age. We only begin to make changes once the kid is in trouble. The system just doesn't work for all kids and all schools. I have held out for 25 years for meaningful change in how we educate children - now I'm just ready to retire because I'm tired of seeing what we are doing to kids.
This makes sense. Of course people should not be divided or segregated based on IQ: after all it's desirable to be able to communicate and share with people of many kinds (and in this case, different IQs). But helping kids (and teenagers, and adults) to get the best out of the education system is something needed in order to have a more productive, more advanced, more understanding, more aware, more inclusive, happier and healthier society.
This would be more credible if the IQ test was the end all be all in terms of accuracy. The point is that there are different types of thinking, that lead to different results. All this would be doing is advancing those most successfully conditioned to the way it is tested. Then there is the moral aspect, imagine your life and quality education decided by a variable number. Many people in my field refuse IQ tests on that singular basis, being represented by an imperfect test. If you really wanted to advance the inherent advantages of "smart" people. Free college and numerous academic opportunity is necessary first. Intellectualism would have to be rewarded in the first place as well, as it stands right now; any average person could name social media figures but struggle to name one Nobel Prize Winner. Society conforms to what it values most, and right now money is valued over human thought at the moment. My personal theory.
@@bobjones9656 There's no need to test after every term. Several times in elementary school, maybe once in middle and once in high school. The scores will not differ wildly, but you would have a good composite score. You are only seeing the use of having a high IQ, and seeing IQ range as measured in good and bad - or high and low respectively. Imagine a kid with a 65 IQ sitting in class and never being able to do the work his classmates can do. Imagine a teacher told to raise class scores with a kid with a 65 and another with a 58IQ. Here's the issue: some kids cannot do grade-level work every. there is no instructional method, no amount of tutoring nor special program that will override their IQ. It doesn't make them bad people, nor useless to society. They simply need to be in classes that will allow them to engage life at their ability level. Imagine being an above-average kid in a class that is slowed down because there are so many kids at the low average level that you are never taught to your ability level. I'm not sure what field you're in, but the "many people in your field" who reject IQ on moral grounds simply don't understand IQ, and like most have assigned Good and Bad to the scores. Its less moral to keep lower IQ in classes where they can never compete and blame them for their failure. It would be better to have them in programs and classes that they can compete at and support themselves down the road.
I am proof that a below average IQ is a hell in itself. I struggled immensely during school almost repeating 5th grade. Th stress and cruelty from both school and home for struggling to keep up is a daily nightmare simply because your not endowed with the TALENT necessary to make everyone happy. 😢
My friend, _no one_ is endowed with the ability to make _everyone_ happy. Be grateful for what you do have, and do the very best you can. Success, not IQ, is the key to happiness.
In reading your post, you appear to me that you are incredibly intelligent with a high degree of emotional intelligence. On a side note, I have come to know that it is a tactic of emotionally abusive people to make sure that they are never happy with you. This way, their target just keeps trying harder and harder to please them.
I am thankful to the fact that I am at least moderately intelligent. I got good grades in school, am attending a good engineering program, and am doing at least competently. I am far more thankful for the fact I was born to parents that instilled things like a love of learning, or desire to be creative, and diligent in work and study. Discipline isn't something that comes natural, it is often something that comes from nurture rather than nature.
Interesting...I’ve always thought my biggest advantage in life is simply the fact that I was born with average intelligence and taught how to work by my parents, teachers, mentors and coaches. As a business person I always want to surround myself with team members who are good critical thinkers and smarter than me in their given field of expertise. I feel no pressure at all to be “the smartest person in the room”. I do think I have above average leadership and critical thinking skills although I’m not sure if those are innate or learned attributes. Looking at others I think they are essentially innate skills improved over time with opportunity and practice, maybe the proverbial “it” factor that’s so hard to define.
I'll take common-sense over book smarts any day. Generally, in my opinion... Common sense is taught to you by your father, or an older male in your family. And many women are street-smart but that'll only take you so far...
Spoiler alert: for those who want to avoid wasting their time, apparently the ‘uncomfortable fact’ Is that some people are smarter than others ...I’ve never felt this to be uncomfortable myself...
@@Prof_LK Stupid people, or rather dumbed down tax payers is the ideal world for any ruling class. Nothing better for them than to have people focusing their attention on their neighbors and citizens, looking down in despair and never raise their gaze to the horizon.
@@joecoolioness6399 Everyone is equal in ability so low pay is a result of not working hard enough to advance. So therefore it's ok to pay shit wages because "those people" deserve to live in deprivation due to moral defects.
It's only uncomfortable if you have the introspection to recognize and admit that you may be in the lower percentile. Not necessarily that you ARE, but that there is the POTENTIAL that you aren't as smart as you think you are. I will willingly admit that this was definitely the case for me when I went to college, where I went to being one of the smartest people in my public school class to being matched or outright out-intellect-ed by many of my new peers. Yes, I may be at or below the 50% intelligence 'benchmark'. I'd like to believe otherwise, as I made it to a top-X university and routinely score fantastically in standardized testing, excelled in my courses for my job in the Navy as an electronics technician (one of the longest intellectual pipelines in the Navy, short of being a Nuclear Power-related job), etc. etc., all these achievements I can point at... but maybe it's like he's saying in the video, maybe I'm not actually "smart", I'm just a person who worked hard to overcome my dumb-ness. Who knows? It's all irrelevant because my intelligence (or lack thereof) hasn't held me back from any of the things I've set out to do. With all that said, tl;dr it's easy to dismiss Peterson's point by going "well, pfft, of COURSE some people are dumb!" and then think (subconsciously or otherwise) "[But not me, I know I'M not one of said lower-50-percent!]" Thinking like this is the reason why the Dunning-Krueger Effect exists and has a name.
After reading many of the comments after watching this video, it's clear that what Jordan Peterson is talking about reflects the uncomfortable nature of pointing out various levels of intelligence. Sometimes pointing out a simple observation can make people very uncomfortable. Who wants to be labeled as less intelligent? Having to confront your own limitations and shortcomings isn't an activity that most people look forward to. I can see why he's attacked so much. Some people are just smarter than others. And this leads to the next question, are some groups of people more intelligent than others? This question is taboo, just as he is saying.
While it may be taboo to ask, it is the fact that he is being attacked irks me. He is discussing this at a University. The one place where people are suppose to grapple with uncomfortable conversations; that is the entire idea of a University. The degradation of modern education is becoming more and more apparent.
There is no doubt there are less intelligent people, the question for me is, are you born less intelligent or are you simply not at potential. There are different types of intelligence too.
@@Foster_The_Wild IQ has around a .7 correlation to nature, although the understanding is being reworked as it’s found out that the prevalency of infectious diseases is the biggest predictor of a groups average IQ. The more infectious diseases the lower the IQ.
@@factsbykidd4765 I read The Bell Curve when it first came out and people were outraged that it showed statistically that African Americans didn't measure up to White Americans. What I noticed was that Asian Americans were equally ahead of White Americans. Are they born with a higher IQ, do they get better nutrition and health care, or do their parents push them to their highest potential? Food for thought.
My entire life, my family has called me “Smarter than I know” or “Smartest kid they know”. The consequence of this is that I’ve developed a hubristic sense of self where I think I’m the smartest person in the room. This is an unhealthy mindset that I’ve tried mutilating, but I still subconsciously think this way. I’m an ego-dystonic vulnerable narcissist, and it’s not fun. But, it’s the way I’ll always be no matter how hard I try. I’m dumb and I’ll never be smart. I will only think I’m smart.
@@mintice850, Why should I be happy if all of my happiness has been at the expense of someone else’s happiness? If anything, I deserve sadness and frustration.
Taking into account online iq tests, my iq is around 130. I've always been the top 1 in my classes when I was younger. I grew older and got lazy and haven't achieved much but getting depressed. I wish I could trade iq points for happiness and social skills. My life would be easier and more pleasant.
I just took a normal official test and I got 127 a year back. For the lazy part: read more, set deadlines earlier, and sometimes reflect on social situations. Happiness is something you find for yourself. I found happiness by making stuff (mechanical engineering) and having great friends.
I don't think lazy exists. I think lazy beyond the occasional struggling to turn off the light with your foot instead of actually getting up to do so (which is an evolutionary thing, path of least resistance and conserving calories gone awry we demonize lazy way too much.) is usually mental illness. If you are still struggling with issues and feel your life is not going where you want, it doesn't hurt to see if you get a diagnosis of some sort. Especially since high IQ is highly associated to mental health disorders. Undiagnosed mental health disorders invariably lead to depression.
Same. I started losing my motivation when I was 12 due to family issues. That was 3 years ago. I desperately want to get better from my "lazy" disease. Perhaps we can use this thread to motivate each other to work on ourselves, as well as other people scrolling by.
BTW: For the folks who get all sensitive, defensive, or worked-up over (I.Q.): A few years ago Peterson mentioned that MANY people with "HIGH I.Qs" end up being quite.... "USELESS." I don't recall the exact video, but he made an excellent point & gave valid reasons why that happens. I think WE ALL know someone in that category ! 😎
Yup. My husband has a friend who could answer every Jeopardy question, graduated tops in her class from law school & ended up working as a clerk in a book store. (Nothing wrong with book store clerk jobs but you think she would have accomplished more with her high IQ & education.) She also had very little common sense.
At the University of Akron I heard this over and over: "you are here because you the upper tier of our society." I always asked " This school has open-enrollment, how can that be true?"
Being smart is a course. You go your entire early life learning everything straigth away, and when you come to university and actually have to work, all your habits is wrong.
Was talking to a person the other day who was thoroughly convinced that genetics played 0 role in intelligence. I'm not sure how they came to this conclusion but whenever I tried to speak they yelled over me so unfortunately they're just going to have to keep believing it.
My parents and pretty much everyone I’ve ever known has said that I am extremely intelligent. I excel at math, got 100% in algebra in high school. But I’m an angry, depressed, unmotivated recluse. So much for intelligence
You guys have everything and much more in your hands, but even so, don't do shit. Meanwhile, other people have nothing, but are always fighting to become better
I would agree that creativity has little to do with scholastic success, but I believe it has a great deal to do with one's ability to solve unconventional problems. One of my professors, who taught materials science, was very good at posing problems that required technical creativity. He believed, as do I, that in the real world, creativity can be as important as IQ. I was an R&D engineer. Without my creativity, I would have struggled.
I say this while having a relatively high IQ, I would absolutely prefer to hire someone who is moral and who knows how to work hard, as opposed to someone who is merely a genius. I am 62 years old, and it did not occur to me until this moment, that throughout my early years I was an incredible F up and I did not stop being a F up until I committed to working hard, but more, working hard within a moral framework. There was a time I worked very hard to lie, cheat and steal my way through life - and I lived a life of failure. Once I added morality to that hard work, suddenly I became a success. I may have started out a genius, but I was not smart enough to know what was truly important. Addendum: I should say that 'once' I had a high IQ. I don't know if that changes through the years. I also don't know if the IQ tests I took were weighted in Mathematics. I was always kind of an idiot savant when it came to math, geometry and algebra. When it came to Language, History, or Biology, things you had to study and memorize, my eyes glazed over and I stared out the nearest window.
@@siyaindagulag. I am a runner, @ 12 miles a week, but let me break that down further. I do a 2 mile distance run from home 3-4 days a week, and then turn around and do interval sprints for 2 miles back home. This means I do moderate intensity cardio for an hour+ a week, and then high intensity cardio for 1.5 to 2 hours a week. (It takes longer to do interval running for the same distance as distance running.) I believe that high intensity interval cardio has much better health benefits than prolonged moderate intensity cardio. It would be interesting to see if this is also true for improved cognitive skills.
I don't have data on that but Dr P (actually) said: (and I say sozzy for stuffing up the quote)" Aerobic AND anaerobic exercise Will cut it. D epends on body type, age, and other circumstance. GO !! The fast twitch . More efficient .my opinion
I did that for pretty well everything except science, i did stand up in grade 5 with my fellow students and call the christian preacher a liar and the book full of shit.That was around 1975 maybe. I was brought up bye atheists , when i asked about the world , they told me to go and research it in the library, thats a local google now. Been learning about the world ever since and never have come across any god claims with any credibility , nor have i found any of jordan peterson`s god salad any good.I Put my Anti theism down to good upbringing and aboriginal anti middle eastern religious genes. A person value is not their IQ , but in their inter actions with society and the planet.
I’ve always had to work hard for good grades and the saying that motivates me as I do university is this: “Even idiots can get a Doctorate.” I hope this will ring true for me 😂
A friend of mine struggled on the MCAT, struggled to get into med school, and struggled to pass. He is a doctor. Edit to add: a doctor, but not MY doctor!
education setting isn't really something that tests your intelligence. I know less intelligent individuals who killed it in school/uni but failed miserably in real life and work. Same vice versa. It really depends on which aspect of life you are judging. Some people being smarter than others in terms of acquiring knowledge quickly or processing knowledge is undeniable fact. However, winning that genetic lottery is absolutely irrelevant if you can't get a job anywhere due to your crippling emotional intelligence or social skills or what have you. Don't be deterred by it because if money is any indicator of success, most rich people are dumber than your average person
Only if their supervisor is not an idiot 😂. Some labs hand feed their students to churn out Ph.D.s, others let them sink or swim on their own, which is the way it should be.
Intelligent people also have to work hard for good grades, and if you have neurodivergence then harder, getting good grades is more about having great memory, and lucky circumstances
I truly believe in the "9 types of intelligence" break down. You ever heard someone say "He's as dumb as a rock?" I personally know a guy who scored 1600 on the SAT but had the social interpersonal skills of a rock. And that might be insulting a rock.
Anybody with a high IQ can learn social skills, be charming, or whatever it may be that the brilliant stereotypically lack, IF they decided to learn how its done. This is infrequent, as smart people often have higher level things to worry about than social skills. There is only one measure...IQ...processing speed. Everything else is where you decide to focus your energies.
Scoring 1600 on an SAT doesn't mean that person has high IQ, just so you know. That's not how it works. Just like someone with PHD doesn't mean that person has high IQ.
@Stirred ... not Shaken ! Wrong, knowing what your user name means requires knowledge of a specific reference, which even a brilliantly high IQ individual would not know unless they'd seen the source material. Deduction from knowledge is completely different from processing power, which is IQ.
I can feel his stress or other type of feeling when he pauses, I pretty sure its because he knows of the concept very well, but it's much harder to explain it without giving the wrong idea.
This really just boils down to how you define what being smarter than someone else is. If we define it as an ability, an ability to solve mathematical and logical equations on a broader difficulty than your peers, then yeah you'd be smarter. If it is the ability to tackle abstract and uknown questions, and come up to a tangible and understandable conclusion that benefits others, then you are smarter. If it means that you are far better than your peers at fixing cars, building houses, or even cooking, then yes obviously you are brighter. The way I see it, the smart people in this world are those that are able to enjoy it properly while it lasts regardless of their skills at any given task. Smarter yet are those people who pertains the abilities of the former individual but in a way that promotes it into others, and has a lasting effect. All that said, I'm obviously not very smart.
Intelligence to me is people figuring out how things work, coming up with ideas to make things better. The people who work on, talk about or discuss ways in which we can make our lives more fruitful, whether that's solving world hunger, coming up with better political and economic systems or discovering and creating medicine or finding new applications for mathematics that change our understanding. I'm the kind of person who likes applicable intelligence. It's great that someone can have incredibly complex math equations, but if there is no use to them, I'm not jumping up and down about it. I'd view it the same as creating a piece of interesting art. It's great and useful, but it's not universally applicable. I think the obsession with complexity = smart is a wrong way to go about it.
Being intelligent makes life much easier-you don't get taken in by scams..nor do you pay high interest rates or get taken by scam artists. Recognizing the real differences in intelligence would help below-average people as well-they could be given better education to help them. I agree-pretending that differences don't exist helps no one.
I have low motivation and a bit of intelligence. This bit of intelligence is enough to let high motivated people work for me, so I don't mind or suffer.
Keep learning. Never forget what you learned & apply it when able. Don't compare, to others, that's a waste of energy. Schools will want quick retention. However long-term retention is how you BUILD intelligence.
And his point has no relevance to anything. Quite a few “smart” people have no problem pursuing jobs and responsibilities that require their capabilities. The irony is that he is such a below-average intellectual under the delusion that he is one of the great ones.
I've spent a good portion of my life thinking I'm dumb. I'm a creative person with an academic mind but also struggle in academic areas due to my dyslexia. I understand concepts and pick things up very quickly. I just struggle to convey the information through standard academic means. I've always avoided taking iq tests because I wasn't ready to deal with that. Recently I just bit the bullet and took a few. I spent a good week taking them because I couldn't believe the first result. I came back at 142. Thinking it was complete luck I tried a different test, got 143. Depending on how I feel and how alert I am at the time I get between 138 and 144. I'm starting to think that my iq matched with my learning disability is a huge factor in my underachievement and the depression Ive developed. I'm a bit of a mess but I'm trying to get better.
Gifted people are special needs. Their brain are different from a nerotypical brain. They aren't like neurotypical people. That's why it is difficult for a gifted understand neurotypical functioning and vice versa. If the giftedness isn't identified in childhood and the child has no help from specialists to understand himself and learn how to adapt to a society that don't appreciate how they think and how they are (only appreciate what the creations of their giftedness), the chances of developing anxiety and depression are huge. The only tests that are useful to identiy giftedness are individual tests. Group tests are bullshit. IQ tests, while helpfull, have lots of failures and limitations and aren't precise. That's why IQ tests help identify giftedness, but can't be the only way to identify it. There is another big problem on relying only on IQ tests: giftedness isn't necessarily linked to high IQ. Thats why those gifted with not so high IQ are even more difficult to identify. But they have the same characteristics commonly found in gifted people (huge creativity; huge curiosity; arborescent thinking; ease of learning in areas of interest; aversion to hierarchy; divergent thinking; emotional and/or sensory overexitability; impostor syndrome; low self esteem; leadership spirit; alergies and autoimmune diseases proneness; high level of empathy and ethics; perfectionism; etc.)
Many gifted, even those that aren't twice exceptional like you, have problems with academic standards. Even the ease of learning can be a problem, because when things are easy, people may get easily bored, leading to a lack of interest or may never learn how to study in school and find difficulty in a very complex area in college. Giftedness can be divided in two categories: academic and creative/productive. Most gifted people from lower classes in countries with huge social inequality are creative/productive type, because they don't have access to the adequate and necessary stimuly to develop academic type (that is another problem with IQ tests, because they are biased to academic type)
High intelligence with learning disabilities is not uncommon. I hope you can enjoy the journey. Keep exploring and learning. Thomas Edison was kicked out of school for being "addled". His mom taught him at home. He was actually dyslexic.
I Q is not the only measure of intelligence. Memory is not the only measure. Common sense, and the ability to think out side of the box is not measurable in I Q tests. My fathers IQ was so far off the charts when tested by the U. S. Navy he was yanked from becoming a tail gunner. And sent to the University of Oklahoma for a crash course in explosives. He went on to invent and produced patent after patent for both the Navy and Arojet ,one of the original rocket men. Worked in Los Alomos and White Sands proving grounds . The list goes on. Yes, his I Q most likely saved his life as tail gunners did not last very long. And yes, he developed and engineered some impressive weapons. In fact he developed part of the very first atomic bombs ,something that really bothered him till he died. As did one specific bunker buster he worked on that used fleshetts. My dad was able to invent alot of stuff and improve things in his life. But he had another very weak mind in other aspects of his life. He lacked common sense, wisdom and made terrible life decisions. He over thought simple fixes to the point of absurdity. A $300.00 fix for a $10.00 idem. Given a choice of having a high I Q and no social skills or common sense. I'd rather a low IQ and have common sense,social skills and having friends. I'm sure my I Q is much lower than my Dads but there was so many times when I would find a solution that worked and implemented it before he was done thinking about the solution. In other words the simple stuff eluded him.Once in his 50' s actually wore a Beatles wig on a date , maroon leisure suit polyester print shirt you could see coming from a hundred yards away. Yet, not to be noticed because the white leather belt and shoes was all your eye could manage. I can still see the big 2 tone red and white ford camper special with the large cab over camper leaving the driveway to that 1 time date blasting Bobby Ventons Blue Velvet from the 8 track. I tried to tell him the wig was ridicules and it really pissed him off, I was 10 or 11 then . He just didn't get it. That is one of many examples of living with someone who's IQ was off the charts. Be happy how ever God made you. Contribute as best you can with the gifts you are given and dont worry about the gifts or curses of others . Just be yourself, improve on what you have as you can and you will go far in life.
An argument from authority LMAO. their bloke reckons he has an IQ of 200 , yet he keeps crapping on about evidence for god , clearly an IQ of 200 to me means religious ignorance, fails to comprehend evidence and believes most of all that the universe works the way he wants it and that to me states very clearly he has no IQ. jordan peterson is an imbecile who belies that the louder he speaks and more word salad he presents is evidence ,he is typical of the god virus. Religion is a disease, the sooner it is recognized as such, the sooner we can get back to being a global community instead of religious factions fighting over who`s non existent god is better ..
@@ossiedunstan4419 I am not a very religious person, but I wonder if it is a "disease". I am starting to think that religion is a way to bind people to a common cause and it is necessary. The depleting trust in religion seems to shift people's trust to politicians and "influencers" who are ideologues, which is a real disease in my eyes and an extremely dangerous one at that.
@@Mushimiya Belive God is real,Jesus was brought back from the dead, anyone do not that after 3 days? And those who reject their creator are in a lot of troubble.
@@Mushimiya - I hear you on that. I'm torn between the obvious falsity in every religion and the unifying effect it has on a society. Without religion maybe the diversity within a society could render it incapable of growing beyond a certain size. Conversely, religion quite likely limits human potential somewhat and is the root cause of a myriad of other problems. Its a paradox of human nature. Everyone wants to be an individual, but no one wants to be an individual on their own. Without religion, a vacuum is seamingly formed and this either lets unfettered debauchery prevail or totalitarian control. Is there an alternative that allows humans to reach their individual potential whilst providing a stable society for the masses whilst in the long run preventing dictators or demogogs seizing power?
@@ossiedunstan4419 bruh. i think it's a tad silly to default to an assumption that god is nonexistent. the problem that the people of earth face, is not the existence of god per se. it's that they anthropomorphize god. god is a SkyKingJudgeDaddy because "He" (of course god is a dude!) lives on a cloud in the sky, and is Lord of "his" domain. He is a judge because he is both King and Magistrate and decides what is right and wrong for humans, and "he" is a Daddy because is a Father to "his" children. that is a belief for simpletons, whether they have a low or high IQ. in reality, if there is a god, and this god really did make the universe, then it stands to reason, that god is billions, or trillions of years old. To dream up the universe and then to make it happen would make god astonishingly intelligent and incomprehensibly powerful. The combination of staggering age, intelligence and power makes god an alien entity. I would suggest that this alien entity is unapproachable. no one that lives or ever lived could possibly know what god thinks about, or wants, or feels, or what god's plans might be. They certainly would not be able to communicate with god on a mental or spiritual or psychic level, which forecloses any possibility that any human can have a "personal relationship" with god. This automatically makes all religion total insanity. Ultimately, that probably is your real issue, not with god's existence or lack of, but the sheer arrogance of religion itself.
When I went to university; I had a friend who was in the majority of my history classes with me. He got straight A's and I got A's and B's. He studied four days straight if we had a test. I studied for maybe 2 hours for the same test. Yes, if he got say 84 on the test and I got around 77. A lower mark!!! He was academically a higher achieving student. However, he was not a very smart person in the least. He was a social idiot who had a lot of trouble getting along with people. If we did a presentation together for class, I would have to do most of the talking. 20 years later, I have a successful academic career and he can't hold a job. Universities don't want their students to know that grades mean very little outside of the University. It's not an indicator of a person's overall intelligence.
If he maintained his hard working mindset then he would definitely have been able to compete with you, to a varying degree I don't know his personal social issues. The capability to pursue learning and work relentlessly compared to others regardless of personal intelligence (ie rate of learning) is incredibly valuable and very rare (most people give up after formal education for the most part, only integrating upon their existing skills at a far lower rate).
So true. OK google can get you a majority of the regurgitate terminology based curriculum in the matter of the minute. I have a degree and it's completely over rated.
A lot of autistic people seem normal and nobody would even recognize they're autistic, you'd think they're anyone else. But they're still not social idiots, you sound like you're bitter about him. Grow up
One study found those who overestimate their IQ tend to be below average on intelligence, whereas those who underestimate their IQ tend to be above average. Having sane judgement is often disregarded in IQ tests, keep it real folks.
Information is a double edged sword. Knowing something can give you a big advantage in a given situation and be a big burden in another. Being smart helps you process new information and make links with what you know. I think it is important to know yourself, because knowing your limits can help you act accordingly and help you grow. IQ tests are interesting tools to assess a person’s intellectual capacity, but they should be taken more as a reference of what you could do better instead of the results being your actual capacity. After all, many factors can change the results: your motivation, your personal health, your situation, the target demographic you are being compared to, the content and the shape of the test, etc. So I believe the point is not wether we should be labelled as intelligent or not from the result of such a test but how we should help the person understand the results because knowing this information could be a good catalyst for growth.
I found out long ago I was slow to catch on and learn a new thing than the brighter in class,... Where they were able to get a hold on it by the first hour,.. I'd have to finally get to understanding what I was trying to learn before proceeding, but when I DID get it,. I could always do it AS good as the brighter, OR if it was a physical task, I'd always make mine straighter, cleaner, more innovative, and generally better because I knew well my lack.
The funny thing is, most people, regardless of intelligence, would label themselves as "above average. The stupid say this due to the dunning-Kruger effect and the smartest of the smartest because they likely have an imposter syndrome. Only those who have been tested can be certain to a degree and even then, you could score 89 on one day and 112 on a better day.
well I have impostor syndrome and I’m not quite the ‘smartest of smartest’. I’m no gifted prodigy either. People tell me I’m quite intelligent and I’ll be successful in life but that’s because they haven’t seen what truly intelligent people can do nor have they met any. I’ve fooled everyone into thinking I’m a genius just because of the extra bits of knowledge I have. Not fair.
Yeah fair shout. I've hit anywhere between 108 and 146 on IQ tests. The paid ones were closer to the higher end so I like to hope those ones are more accurate. It doesn't make up for basically zero motivation and ambition though.
This is true. I have been misunderstood my entire life, always been sad for no reason, always have seen things differently than others. This is situational, but sometimes I can fully predict things that are going to happen a week early based on other things I see around it. Its insanity, idk how I do it, but maybe it means I am not normal. Something else someone said is that the most successful people have motivation. I do not have any, never did. Maybe why my life is the way it is. All I know is I have the power to educate myself, and make myself a better person and will always strive to do so
Sometimes being gifted can bring problems, too. I was bullied my whole school life, my family was toxic, yet my grades were good-average, so nobody thought I had a problem, no teacher took care for me. If a normally gifted child had this problems, the grades would have told everybody that there was something extremely wrong and the child would have got help. I was discouraged to learn by my family, claiming that reading and learning is for people who are to lazy to work. So I never learned to learn, I never succeed in life. I struggled with severe depressions and anxiety. I had a classmate who wasn't extremely smart, but diligent and she worked really hard and now is the CEO of a big company. And: She deserves it. She worked really hard for it.
Normally gifted kids with a lot of problems get put in special ed and labeled as "slow". Its easier to do that than get their parents to quit the constant fighting at home.
My family is full of people in "high positions" in society. My father's parents were teachers, my mother's father was a mayor, my cousins are both doctors, my aunt is a psychologist, another uncle is the chief of Gendarmerie in my city while his wife is a judge. Me and my sister? I worked a dead-end job in an Eastern European factory for 5 years after finishing high school. My sister got straight As all her life but she decided to become a Jehova's Witness instead of pursuing college. If your home situation is fucked (parents divorced, grew up extremely poor, severe acnee both me and my sister), you'll just be full of mental blockages most of your life. I only "matured" when I started reading psychotherapy books in my free time, and realized the potential I could have if only I dropped my rebellious and detached attitude toward life. Pursued a certificate in programming and I'm just surrounded by people with broken English and barely any tech skills who will probably make a shit ton of money for copy-pasting shit off the internet. What would've happened had I not found the world of psychotherapy? Multiplied by the hundreds of thousands, these disturbances in childhood which affect your whole thinking and perception of life become not a loss to an individual's potential, but a loss to mankind as a whole.
Did you ever take accutane? Regarding your share, you’re not the only one. I’ve often thought how unbelievable it is that giftedness, when crossed with abusive parents, can actually work against you. - because you hold up and mange to look normal in a situation where your true potential is being sacked.
"...and will stay here, and perhaps be successful insofar as you can define success along the dimension of career attainment say in you life as it unfolds from this time onward..." this guy is the king of Grandiloquence
For a half of time of my life I thought I am sort of dumb because I could not memorize things as well as others. After some time I started to observe that my attention is limited because I am in fact creative type, not sombody who can repeat things well.
Our job in life is to serve humanity with the capacities that we were blessed with and to encourage others to work with us in unity while welcoming their diverse backgrounds. Intelligence is only one of the tools we have to achieve our goals.
Yes. That's why in the video Mr. Peterson said conscientiousness is also a good predictor of grades. However, the differences in intelligence or creativity show clearly when lots of both conscientious and intelligent or creative (or both intelligent and creative) people are compared. These differences are what Mr. Peterson clarified here.
I find that the issue is the definition of intelligence. Because intelligence, in my opinion, can be expanded on a continuum. motivation or how one motivates themselves could be a form of intelligence, as well as musical creativity, or mathematical logic, there are too many possibilities when it comes to the kind of intelligence one can have, and then on top of that each person may have a unique assortment of different intelligences. So, I think it’s extremely hard to judge and determine someone’s collective intelligence. It’s just way more complex than that. If you have any thoughts please reply.
Yeah that's true. That's why all these online IQ tests are not really representative of anything. The ones held in controlled environments like in mensa, they have very different kinds of questions because being extremely good at only one of these things is called a savant. Having a general intelligence higher than average means that you generally are better at a higher number of these different types of intelligences. And this test not only includes just some random pattern recognition but also memory based parts to the test amongst other things giving a more accurate result.
agree, i always get some high score in math questions which lots of them are IQ tests but when it comes to creativity or art intelligent i suck really bad😂 and my friend is vice versa
I believe that intelligence is quite general. Any significant and unique accomplishment will require a combination of intelligence, knowledge, creativity and talent. There are thin lines between the definitions of such properties
It's the complex of different intelligences that form the backbone of any one person's learning capabilities, and their ability to synthesize information in a linear or nonlinear way to create progress.
I think i'm creative and come up with some cooked shit sometimes but also go through a dunning kruger effect cycle. 1) solve something - get confident 2) question confidence as being stupid - lower confidence. 3) go to 1)
My dad always said that hard work beats talent. I had neither. Now I comment on TH-cam videos.
Damn bro you good
Nice
A true brother
Add crippling depression and you've got me.
That's pretty good...and honest.
"if you’re creative, and you’re graded by someone who isn’t a creative person, they are not gonna think that you’re creative, they are just gonna think you’re wrong"
- Jordan Peterson
"and if you are creative , you are probably wrong"
The next part
@@Fastwalker27 The next part is not saying they are actually "wrong" it means wrong in relation to the outlined belief of what is right. Just because a lie is believed by the majority that does not make it truth.
@Mike Kane key word is "probably"
@Mike Kane thinking outside of discipline has very little to do with creativity. it has to do with knowledge in different disciplines, which is not the type of creativity was talked about in the video.
@@handoverthejewgoldkyle3321 Eh, he was saying they are probably wrong. B/c they probably are. The issue is creative people come up with the same creative solutions repeatedly. It's rare for a creative person to come up with a unique solution that's better (Peterson literally says this). But it takes a creative person to come up with that solution to begin with. So while it sucks that creative people get punished in academia for being creative, it's necessary to make jumps in progress.
I’ve always noticed the ones with average intelligence but high motivation always beat out high intelligence and low or mediocre motivation.
How many seek to understand the cause of their low or lack of motivation? I will tell you the cause is every decision you make leads further into the equivalent of solitary confinement in life. Nobody wants to hear that you know how to make life better than average without either enslaving others nor yourself. They will continue to treat and refer to you as a dead beat as you move further and further from their lifestyle excessively littered and complicated by simple but labor intensive tasks that you know how to simplify but keep getting sabotaged and yelled at for not perfectly complying with their demands which they set up for you to fail; or try to.
That's true. But motivation can be gained.
Intelligence, not so much.
Then you meet someone with high intelligence AND high motivation and there is no stopping or beating them.
Very true, you can outwork a lack of intelligence
Dave Lal very true
The 2 hardest parts - 1. Being respectful to those who know less and can’t figure stuff out as quickly as you. 2. Admitting and being OK with the fact that there are folks that know more and can solve problems more quickly than you and understanding that both 1 & 2 applies to all of us, except for two people.
I'm one of those two people. I'm not gonna say which, but I'm one of them :)
@@saarang7572 Good idea, unless you're up there then you gotta milk that for all its worth!
@@saarang7572 we know which one :D
#2 is a very difficult thing to do, and I still refuse to accept it sometimes
@@Wasteman365 thanks?
Complaining about stupid people, my mother says, " if it wasn't for the stupid people, you wouldn't seem so smart".
Dog wag 😆
"If it weren't" wise people use correct grammar!
BURN.
nearlyretired
It's my grandmother's story, usually you don't go around correcting their grammar, unless you are some delusional English school teacher! What, you think you are wise correcting my grandmother, I think not!
Sally Ford
That's her gift to you, Sally, give it to someone else this week if you can!🤣
We're so lucky we get to see lectures that the students in the room had to pay for.
They stupid bruh 😂
Jk
I’d have paid to have him as a teacher.
And also had to crack entrance exam.
Edit: Is there any entrance exam for admission in the University of Toronto?
They get a degree. We don’t.
Potato Rekt What is a fact however is that the best predictor of the height of your income is your level of education.
I am completely comfortable being around people that are smarter than me! I work in the medical field and when 2 docs or 2 residents are having a discussion about treating a Pt. I enjoy listening and learning! It makes me a better nurse because I walk away with more knowledge that I did before!
Cool story.
Excellent attitude.
world: *needs more people like you*
@@MPeaches1958 Ding ding ding
They only have more knowledge than you, not necessarily smarter. My wife is a nurse and is frequently shocked at the level of stupidity of some doctors. In my profession, (not a nurse) I feel like a professor now that I know so much about my profession and am teaching others. I’m also not very smart...
Sometimes I think the difference in intelligence comes down to curiosity. I was born with an innate curiosity about most things. It has always amazed me how incurious people are. They don’t ask questions and so many have no inclination to look deeply into things. I’ve had family and friends who actually get mad at me if I ask “ too many questions”. They seem to take their inability to answer as if I’m trying to point out their faults. If someone asks me a question I take it as a sign they are listening closely and are really interested in the subject we are discussing. I take it as a complement. I never took an IQ test but I’ve been labeled as smart and now being older and looking back at my relationships and realize being “ smart” at times has been a hinderence. Early in relationships friends often look at me as having the answers for all their problems then when they realize I don’t have anymore answers to life’s problems than they do they become disenchanted and drop me like a hot potato. I even got singled out and made fun of being “ smart” by my own family growing up. Even so I would never give up my curiosity and love of learning. It is what makes life worth living.
I know how you feel buddy
Same story, but slight change, I have average intelligence
I had that curiosity ground out of me over time, but sublimated it by going to libraries (I lied to my parents and said I was playing sports). Over time the internet arrived. I'm grateful that I can still satisfy my need to know, in a world where being curious gets you labeled a geek or a nerd, and dismissed.
This was unexpectedly relatable
Lynettebrinkman: I couldn’t agree with you more! I’m an information junkie! I have way more interests in way more subjects than most people. I love learning something new or finding something interesting that I can use in a different way. And yes, there have been people who I thought were friends who clearly used me to fix their problems and dropped me like a hot potato when I didn’t. Good riddance! You don’t want users in your life. Most problems they needed fixed were problems they created for themselves. Once you point out that THEY are the problem, they don’t want to hear that. Have you ever been tested to determine if you’re an INFJ personality? Meyers/Briggs have a test that can determine your personality type. If you’re an INFJ, there’s only a small percentage of people who “get you”. But the good news is, it won’t bother you too much because you’re doing just great with your own company! Just a thought that you might want to look into. Keep learning. Keep being curious. Keep being you!
"Think about the average person, and then realize that half the people are dumber than that". George Carlin
Funny but Carlin proved himself an idiot because that's bit how averages work.
Ooooof
@the machinist thanks for the correction. That makes it even more Carlinesqe.
Ole George didn't understand the difference between average and median.
daryl foster The Idea behind this quote is actually wrong.
Let me explain:
Think about the average Persons Networth,and then realise that half the people are poorer.
But when you actually look at the average networth of an American, you will realise that 80% of all citzens are below that.
What you are searching is the median person.
IQ is hereditary. I am very proud to say my IQ is the same as my age.58
Yet, you're using words i've never heard of
You'll be kicking ass when you are 150!
@@tex1751 i was talking about his writing, not his education.
@@tex1751 Someone with an IQ of 58 would basically be retarded so the fact that he can use a word such as hereditary in a sentence correctly means that he is obviously lying. That's the point Remy was trying to make lmao
@@idek2069 you do realise iq is a made up abilist nonsense and your ability to write English has nothing to do with your ability to do well on mathematic and logic related tests just like it has nothing to do with your ability to cook or play tennis. Every skillset is a thing for itself.
Intelligence, beauty, socioeconomic status, charisma, artistic talent no one is at the top of all of these things. There will always be some one better than you in some area
Yeah, I’m so much better at being more beautiful than most people. :) I bet you are better at being a vegan than most too. :) I’m just being silly, you make a good point. 👍🏻
@@joelsterling3735 You had me in the first half not gonna lie.
I'm better at being most people
@@lygiabird6988 get it gurl
On top of that, there will always be an asian doing things better than you.
Being intelligent is a double edge sword. It’s great because you learn things very quickly, but because of that you might never develop great habits. You also never truly appreciate your gift until later in life because being intelligent is just normal to you. School can also be frustrating in that it’s boring because it has to move at a certain pace. I had average grades in high school because I just zoned out the entire time out of boredom and never studied. When I went to undergrad I actually did study aka pulling an all nighter the day before a final. It was also where I learned I had a genius level iq (tested multiple times). Even with my almost nonexistent study habits, I ended up getting good enough grades to attend a top med school. I was an idiot. I had zero work ethic and just smoked weed the entire time. I ended up rightfully failing. That’s when I learned the hard way, it doesn’t matter how intelligent you are, what really matters is how you apply yourself. Those that end up furthest in life all have one thing in common, an exemplary work ethic. Intelligence can be a hindrance if not properly utilized.
Boy do I feel that. Top 98th percentile here. School was so boring and effortless that I dropped out early and utilized a state loophole to get a high school diploma via a GED and state constitution test. Coupled with ADD-ADHD, I never developed the vaguest understanding that anything would ever be difficult for me to figure out. And then I got into KU's chemical engineering program. The experience of being surrounded by foreign geniuses that DID grind their way half-way a cross the globe really messed me up for a good while.
They really do set you up for failure by winding you up with dreams of greatness; oh you'll be an astronaut, or a president, maybe a great scientist that revolutionizes the world. The jading experience child geniuses experience usually kills all those notions dead in their tracks. All the studies I've seen indicate that these child geniuses often do not go on to be revolutionary. Instead, they tend to stick to a specialized skill and settle into it as adults. The difficulty of navigating the gates of social mobility in order to attain their academic or scientific goals usually disenfranchises them to the point of surrender.
Top 0.5% at minimum here. Gifted is special needs. It's a curse. I seek out genius input like a madman. Never got anywhere though. Concussions from football derailed before I could fail. Retired ff/pm now. Grateful for my life and my wife. Moving on.
IQ tested 168. I thought that was normal for my entire life until I had to take a pain killer after surgery and remarked to my wife. "So this is how a normal brain works ". She did not see the humor.
@biggmackaz the smallest crack in logic can be hilarious to me and my wife just stares at me. The more I try and explain it the more I laugh. She just shakes her head.
@@biggmackaz Which country tested you on that level? And which test?
Also how many on 1 million people do have this level with that test?
In my country the scale ends up with 145+ because the reference group is to small for making any normal scaling >145.
145 is DEFINED as being top 99,9% where I live. (WISC tests)
Nothing in the world is as fairly spread as inteligence. Everybody thinks he has enough of it.
Ha......Well said, my friend!
You don't think people wish they could comprehend things better? That seems a bit misinformed.
I don't care how smart I am, I always try to improve and want to get more intelligent. If you think you're intelligent enough, you likely don't know much because you aren't trying to learn.
@@ALC0LITE You obviously did not comprehend what I meant.
Ignorance is bliss
Comment section summary: As a person with a very high IQ I've always known I was different...
I feel personally attacked as a person with a very high IQ who's always known he was different...
@Sage of the Six Bowls Eh, my IQ is in the gifted range (129, not an internet test) and I have a splash of autism according to the psychologist. But yeah, I don't know if I want to lead the rabble out of this dumpster fire...
It's a quite arrogant statement
Lot of Rick and Morty fans in this comment section my dude
@@onewhoserks2944 My man!
There is a saying:" Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard."
👍 LOVE THAT.....
What if the talent works hard?
@@VictorMarwood That's a given and there's no need to say much about it. The only real thing that's important is the hard work part. Without hard work, it doesn't matter whether you're smart or not
I kinda fell like this quote:
"They say hard work pays off, but I've been feeling payed off"
@@justthesonofsomeguywithout5173 This is nonsense. Obviously no one in this thread has a high IQ. Every high IQ person can do VERY little compared to the average and STILL achieve much more. It’s like a means of production increase. One problem people with high IQs have IS motivation because everything comes easy, so you actually end up doing almost nothing. If you do even 10%, you are already 400% higher than you simpletons.
Honestly I’m scared to take an IQ test. I’d rather not know what it is and keep it that way. I find more comfort in the fact that my IQ could be high, but at the same time be low, but I’ll never actually know unless I “open that box” to find out. Some days I feel intelligent, other days I feel like an absolute idiot, but that false sense of hope keeps me in the boundary between intelligent and below average.
You sound above average, if that helps you. Below average people often assert that they have toweringly high intelligence.
Schrodingers IQ
@@adamwallis3235 made me actually laugh, thank you.
@@adamwallis3235 Good one
Your ability to write in a well articulated, clear manner and spell words correctly indicates average or above. I have 133, but English is my second language so if I made any spelling mistakes I will blame that :p
The more we learn and read, the more we feel not knowing. The less we learn and read the more we feel we know everything. This is the paradox of intelligence. The dumbest speaks louder.
That is the Dunning Kruger effect
I wish I was on the top end of the paradox.
True
So all scientists are dump?cause they speak louder or? I didn’t get that
Well said..
My IQ places me in the top 0.4% of the population for intelligence, but I have a bunch of unsolved psychological problems and I do not have any motivation to do anything nor any will to live.
I've always been told I am very smart, since I was a child, and I think I proved it in many ways, but now that I'm 24 yo I see that, unless you're a real genius, what really matters is the dedication, the passion, constance and effort you put into things - and guess what, I'm almost a total failure despite my brain.
If you read this and you are concerned about your IQ, I wanna tell you this: don't worry, explore the world and explore yourself as much as you can, find your path and pursue it with passion and tenacity, be able to make sacrifices when they're needed. IQ may be important in some areas, but it really tells little about who you are as a whole human.
Have you already tried to focus on seeking motivation from others? I mean, people are really good sources of motivation. Maybe you just need to find the right people that will give you motivation to look for a solution to your problems.
Generally highly intelligent people are more pessimistic so will not seek out $$$$ as they see all the future risks and potential failures - whereas a lower IQ person won't think more long term like 'what if this fails'
You know this is the exact same for me. Mine too is in the top 1% and I have an absolutely pathetic drive. I do only and just everything I have to, and trust me I have tried to motivate myself, but with iq comes the relative de-stability wich means depression and extreme apathy wich both in turn make you very tired of trying...well absolutely anything. If I have these small antisocial hedonistic activities wich keep me satisfied, why bother to do anything to change that? All you're doing with more succesion is raising the difficulty and possibility of loss in trade with only slight upgrades of comfort that lets face it you're absolutely going to get used to. Im doing fine, people around me are doing fine and I have no violent urges or life long enemies to keep me occupied so guess i'll just enjoy life
@abcd3625 Hi, thanks for sharing your point of view, that's interesting. I respect your opinion, but I have to admit that I don't agree with you.
Essentially it depends by what you exactly mean with the word "intelligence". Maybe in english it has a slightly different meaning, I don't know, english is actually my third language. But for me, intelligence and motivation are distinct things, even if it's possible that they are someway linked.
The proof that I am "intelligent" wasn't given to me by any IQ test, but by the results I achieved in my life, the comparison with other people, and what others did and do say about me. I've talked about IQ only because that's the topic of the video.
Anyway, I graduated in mathematics and I speak 4 languages so I guess I'm not a "total" failure. The point is that my abilities just stay "on the paper" (as we say in italian), I have no drive to concretize and monetize them.
I suppose it's a long and complex story, and to be honest I don't feel like sharing too much of my personal life on the web.
Thanks for your comment.
@abcd3625 As for the fact that intelligence and motivation are linked, well, I don't how much about that is true, but let's assume it is: then it would be obvious to think about that link as a "probabilistic correlation" rather than a linear phenomenon. My words here can get a bit obscure, but essentially I'd assume that given a certain level of intelligence you'll PROBABLY have a comparable amount of motivation, but it may vary with a normal probability distribution: so if you're "lucky" (and God knows how many factors here lay beneath this "luck") your motivation will be even higher, if you're not, well, then you're more similar to me ahahah.
Note that I am not saying that I do not have resposabilities in shaping my current situation! I just don't really think it's about a lack of intelligence.
Leopardi was an italian poet and philosopher, he was one of the greatest minds of humanity, 4 yo he could speak 4 languages and translate latin poems. He had some psychological problems and had no joy for life, he died aged 39 and without any doubt he could have left much more than he did, culturally.
It's just an example, and I surely don't have his genius ahahah.
I always overestimated others intelligence.
😄 That is called " projection ".
That is the second aspect of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
and i have realized a while ago that most people are just plain dumb, and the fact that they are positive that they are smart makes them stay dumb. we would have much less troubles in the world if most people had common sense but we are in for a fun ride and it will get more and more wild with time
@@realityhurts8090 советую вам канал Марины Линдхолм, ищите " бытовое слабоумие" .
@@daryapeppo2359 спасибо вам !!!
только что посмотрел видео не любит мама? она говорит очень банальные вещи. это не уровень Петерсона которыи как я считаю философ.
I just did a test and got 83, this explains a lot.
The important part about this, to me, is the need to emphasize the need for gifted programs. I have a very high IQ, and I am struggling as an adult to learn to work hard. I have a lot of admiration for people that work hard, and a LOT of them have surpassed me in life, and part of that is I never learned to work hard for what I achieved. Whatever someone’s natural ability, they then need to be placed into a situation to make them work for their accomplishments or they will struggle all their life.
Absolutely. Pushing one self is hard, at first, like every skill. But it will become a habit. Just like laziness.
And if you have a high IQ, school is a cake walk. And if you aren’t given an ample challenge, you won’t learn to push yourself. I’m just so thankful that I was hyperactive, leading me to gain that skill through sports. Now on to tackling childhood trauma😅
@M Reuter That’s so awesome man, keep that drive.
Ahhaha im a dumb person
Awh woe is you i understand it must be hard having to avoid stepping on us 100iq maggots every time you venture out of your house i get it ;)
I'm of average intelligence, I've been professionally tested, and I'm okay with that. I've also served in the United States Army's Intelligence Corp. Since leaving the military, I've completed my degree in aerospace and engineering. As stated before, I'm of average intelligence and I'm okay with that.
Hard work and social intelligence goes a long way.
your average intelligent and completed degree in aerospace engineering?
@@affanmoshe4767 i was thinking the same thing. Getting an aerospace engineering degree would be very difficult for an average person
@@TaeyangOh yes and he had put in the work. For someone genius it would have felt natural the whole process i assume.
Cap
I have learned over the course of my 67 years never to underestimate anyone regardless of their IQ or what I may perceive it to be. I have found that virtually everyone I have interacted with has a gift or gifts of one sort or another. A special skill at doing something I would be completely hopeless at and would in all likelihood never be able to master. This has helped me to be a more empathetic person which is a good thing in my opinion.
Perfectly put
@Jacob J4746 I understand that. That is the socialist ideology that has become popular particularly among the less aged adult population. However, my point was, not very clearly put admittedly, that many people are a lot more intelligent than realized. As an example, I have known intellectuals with a reported very high IQ who don't possess a great deal of common sense or practicality. Sure, they may have a doctorate and in one particular case an amazing retentive memory and a chess grand master who somehow couldn't even figure out how to start his own lawn mower. In that case you'd have to wonder what constitutes real intelligence.
I gotta find my 'special skills'... But I still don't know what is it, it's going to take a one long journey...
@@iliveinsideyourhouse3943 Maybe you've got a special skill at thinking you haven't got a special skill. Have you thought about that?
@@zeissOholic
So I never have a special skill.
I've done intelligence tests many times as part of recruitment processes. Some times I've scored incredibly high near genius level. Other times I've been assessed as very average. It just depended on the style of the test and what frame of mind I was in and whether I'd done any similar tests recently. I can only conclude these tests are wildly inaccurate.
You conclusion is incorrect. The correct conclusion is that you are of average IQ and since IQ-tests are multiple choice, you got lucky on the problems you couldn't solve when you scored high. Also the tests used in recruitment-processes does not measure anywhere near genius level.
@@mada09 No you are incorrect and clearly don't grasp the fairly simple point I was making. I was not guessing in the tests I scored highly in, I found them within my capability on the day hence the high score. Tests where I had to guess some answers were the ones I did badly in as you would expect but that's not the point. If you score 90-98% on some tests and are told that puts you in a category that only 5% of the population could achieve then the test is saying you are a genius and that's a very unreliable conclusion if the same person can take a different IQ test and be deemed merely average. These tests are unreliable because they are heavily influenced by someone's background knowledge, training and prior experience of doing such tests.
@@rmelo2382 I just explained that they arent 100% correct since you can get lucky and guess correctly at the later harder questions. But if you can consistently score high on those low level tests that are used in recruitment, your IQ is probably not at genius level.
@@robertstorey7476 5% of the population arent geniuses. If you can not score high consistently on these tests you are just not very much above average. No genius or even "just" high IQ would ever score average on a low level IQ test used in these situations.
@@mada09 It is impossible to argue with you because you don't seem able to grasp the logic of what is being said to you and ignore it.
My view on IQ is that the score is one thing, how you make use of it is another.
A person with an average IQ who works hard and attempts to learn as much as they can with the time and resources they have will have a much larger impact on society than someone with a higher IQ who does nothing or only goes through the motions.
IQ is more like a test of capacity and potential. Output is up to the individual.
Well said. One thing that my dad has always said is, paraphrased, genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.
Scenario, a random human takes an IQ test and he scores lower than 100 , but he is rather motivated , so he take the tests again. This time he scores even lower , break time .
It's the second day and the subject is motived to do well, takes the IQ test and he scores so low he starts to doubt himself . "I'm stupid?" , (For control , he isn't) anger and motivation rises and thus he continues to do every single IQ test he can find .
And now on his X number of IQ tests finished he scored maximum possible amount.
Was he actually smart , or was he just simply motivated to not fall in the "lower than 100" category?
I think the smart thing to do, was to just simply not give any importance to such a simple IQ test. We currently have no "true IQ test".
In my experience the majority of people with a high iq can lack social skills. Some people are social geniuses but have average intelligence. My dad can not read but he can pull apart and rebuild any motor you put in front of him.
Agreed and while I wish I was smart, I'm still grateful to be average.
see people all the time that are regarded as the smart people, yet that by and large accept whatever they're told by authority figures and never bother to do the research to check things for themselves - then condescendingly dismiss the people that apply common sense skepticism, and take the time to dig into things and find out for themselves, as low IQ conspiracy theory kooks
The Uncomfortable Fact About IQ:
- Everyone is stupid in their own unique way
Yup, we all have our strong points and weaknesses. I would add that I've known some really bright people who seemed to me to be in left field, their mind was always somewhere else!
Thats actually comforting
this comment comforts me too. Thanks mate.
My mathematical iq is 95 but my verbal iq is somewhere around 140. General iq is 128. My motivation for life is negative 100. People obsess over intelligence way too much it's useful for few decades of your life before you push grass and see if you get to explore other dimensions.
Stupid and ignorant are not the same. Stupid would be me getting drunk and driving my car despite knowing the potential consequences. Being ignorant of how a television works and not being able to service one doesn't make me stupid.
While I was at Work, I had to read some documents that were recently published. I understood them far quicker than my workmate. He said "your brain must be at another level" then I told him a story when I was at university. I had to process a technical paper with a peer. He answered the questions after 20 minutes, while I needed at least twice. I felt little, threathend, not enough. My peer was by far more evolved than I was. I did experience an improvement with time. I started to understand and process things quicker to the point I could compete with my peers. Did I become more intelligent? Or did I develop strategies? I don't know.
It requires intelligence to develop strategies. That's adaptation, which requires "out of the box" thinking. ✌
@@carldeithorn3450 Ah so you're saying we need another IQ test to measure that kind of thinking too.
Being intelligent doesn't mean you know what to do with that intelligence. Theoretically, if you don't speak English you are never going to pick up a stone and call it a "rock" without studying another language. That's where the effort part of the equation fits in, I think; you need to put in effort to learn what to do and your intelligence is the horsepower behind doing the thing.
There's fluid and crystallized intelligence. You developed your crystallized intelligence.
It is taken for granted that the intelligence of a person does not vary much over time.
However it is well known that the brain can be trained to understand things better. You create new neural pathways which help you to process the information better.
Is that a strategy? Or is it growth?
Wow, his remarks on the difficulty with creativity hit home. I always struggled with literature and writing professors because I would try to write something unique, but they never liked my work- not because it was bad, but because it was unexpected. I was called a failure so many times that I finally gave up on writing. I can't help but wonder if I could have had some success as a writer if only I had avoided the professors.
Try again.
Yes. You would. Avoid the professors. They are conservative and want you to follow the orthodoxy. They actually don't want *you* to excercise too high a degree of original though. That's *their* job. I learned this on my masters degree. When I really 'reached out' and tried to develop an idea, they would interpret it as me trying to show them how 'clever' I was. I wasn't. I was exploring ideas. In the end, I followed their instructions to the letter and had no further problems. I got my degree, but learned nothing.
Probably not but give it a try!
Same here.
I got the smart kids together in school and we would just have full on stazi-type dossiers of every english teacher in our highschool.
Detailing their political beleifs, their favourites, and other biases that play in marking.
Obviously that didnt mean shit cus we soon figured out that if you simply fucking TALKED to them frequently enough, you would end up going a full letter grade up.
Its actually retarded how English teachers operate. I genuinely hate them.
Write what you have a talent for and publish online ❤
I’m considered mentally disabled, but I’m taking biochemistry this fall. Straight As in chem and ochem. Only work experience is at Mc Donald’s. Going to have to sleep out of my car for two weeks soon, but than I‘all have a fully furnished apartment, walk in closet, hard wood floors, washer, dryer and dishwasher. Right now I eat plain tuna out of a can, peanut butter, oatmeal etc. I watch the news sometimes and I see a bunch of liquid 💩
How'd that go give us an update
Update?
Hope it went well for you and you're where you want to be.
Must have died from some bad tuna
This is the guy you have to watch out for. Notice how he is happy with the simple things in life like eating and having a roof over his head, even if it's his car roof. He's learned to survive and now will apply the life lessons he learned through his struggles in a more relaxed environment. Survival of the fittest in action. I hope you ascend to your dreams.
The wiser I become, I realize how little I really know .... even about myself.
ALL of us are broke and still breaking.
I agree, the more you come up against your own intellectual limits, the more you see the world is full of idiots. Then It's hard to except no matter how bright you are told you are, or think you are, we are all imbeciles in the grand scheme of things. Epistemology is the hardest thing to get your head around. If your an idiot you don't know what I'm on about, if you're an imbecile, you still don't know the answer, but your more frustrated because you don't know?
Red pill
Breaking broke
Passing exams in a soft subject such as psychology is largely dependent on memory, not IQ
Dinar AndFriends passing any exam is about regurgitation and memorization. I have never passed an exam with anything less.
Exactly right. Achieving any kind of high mark on an exam dealing with Chaucer, or Beowulf, or Shakespeare, particularly after all that needs to be said about those authors has been said, is no measure of intelligence. Solving the harmonic vibrations in the turbo pumps feeding the main engines on the orbiter, and the consequence flow instabilities leading to engine explosion, well that takes IQ - and hard work.
@@briggsquantum consequent
briggsquantum That takes mathematic intelligence. However they are many other forms of intelligence.
@@MrPhotonjockey My point is that intelligence is revealed with some difficulty, and as others have said, not by memorization skills. As to the forms of intelligence, it is worth noting that Howard Gardner's "Multiple Intelligences" has been shown to be not much more than a fancy parlour game, and even he has admitted as much. Stephen Jay Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man" is worth a read though to get some idea of the challenge of IQ testing.
Rocket engineers are more than just mathematicians. And nomda ploom is a simpleton grammar Nazi. They represent the ends of the bell curve.
The problem isn't with people having a high or low IQ, it's the fact that those who are wrong are most often absolutely sure they are right while those who end up being right, most often question everything to the point where they become less sure that they are wrong.
I guess that is because we talk so much that we have lost the ability to lister others. And I'm talking about "listening" not "hearing"
@@TonnoNinja Listening is certainly a dying art .. and conversation died many years ago. Now we just have shouting matches and the one who shouts the loudest gets the most attention...and unfortunately it's not really the information people crave, but rather the attention.
@@kebl1965 I agree. I'm Italian and I think that in Italy "talk-show" are substituting debate programs in TV because audience prefer to watch people screaming random things then listening and thinking.
P.s. sorry for "necro-commenting"😂
@@TonnoNinja No worries, I do the same from time to time 🙂
That is because people with low IQ accept what they are told by people they trust without question, while those with high IQ always question what they are told, no matter who says it.
That is why certain demographics are so hell bent on supporting people like Trump no matter what they do or say.
"I don't have no fancy degree, but everyone who works for me does." 50 cent.
That's usually the case!
@@swell_gal That's USUALLY the case? No, it's not.
If he really said that then he really is dumb. The way he is successful is very rare. It also doesnt even prove he is necessarily that good since the biggest hurdle in music and acting is getting into it in the first place. Being intelligent and going to uni gives you a far greater likelihood of success than being a rapper and hoping for stardom because it just womt happen for most.
@@toddsmith5715 Most people leading/having their own business managed to employ people way smarter than them, because it's easier to get employed than start your own thing. That's why many 0.1% people you know from TV/internet didn't even finish their degrees and have many degree and smart people under them, because they found out it's good to work with smarter people than you are, if only to keep up.
@@DarteX44 Oh I never doubted that this happens, since it obviously does and plenty of examples can be cited. My contention was that it's not "usual" meaning it's not the overwhelming norm. The examples generally cited are well-known success stories--like those which you alluded to. A little less than half of U.S. business owners have college degrees, but that's considerably more than the general population, and most of them don't employ people with more formal education than they have. Moreover, around 60% of small business owners have college degrees, and the number of college graduates they employ is even lower. So, It happens, but it's still not USUALLY the case.
"You can't judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree" - Einstein
“Never judge a witney houson by the houston house massacare” - Witney Houston
Did you add the erroneous apostrophe as a joke, one wonders?
"Never judge a tree by its ability to climb a goldfish" - British Wrath.
LJWH I would like to say yes but in truth its an intervention of the all powerful ‘auto correct’
@@para.podcast you mean "it's" an intervention 😉
My IQ is 98 but im okay in life, i manage to survive
I want to trade with u 129iq
@@joni-nv3el😂, fyi i live in a third world country, means the level of 'okay' surely different fr 1st world country
Where do you get the score?
@@VB91-00 did it on pyclogey test sry i am bad in english
@@VB91-00 when in highschool hundreds years ago :D
I tested at bog standard average 100, looking back at when I was younger I think I was definitely cognitively underdeveloped in many ways. My saving grace is that I’ve always been curious about everyone and everything. I think it’s that curiosity that led to me having a way above average understanding of people and the world which in turn has given me the ability to start and run a highly profitable business. I don’t think having a average or possibly even a low IQ restricts you from reaching great heights.
And it shouldn't. IQ as a test was developed in order to find children who were struggling. It was never intended and the creator never ever wanted it to be used as a ostracizing or specializing factor. It was, have people take the test, find the people who score lower so that you can aid them in life as they need extra help.
But no, this is why we can't have nice things. Honestly, an intelligence test should have a 100 as a marker or lower, just to find people that might need that extra help. That's it, you shouldn't even see anything above 100 regardless of your actual current idea of IQ.
Mr.Jake Wiley, you have me tearing up right now. I know this is youtube comments but damn I wanna network with some of you here. You're literally me, just the successful version.
If there's one quality that defines me, it's CURIOSITY.
Congrats on being successful.
@@vixxcelacea2778 nah you should take it into account
What kind of business?
I think, if you are not sick or got a damaged brain etc. an IQ Test shows how good you fit to the IQ test.
I am a Dipl.-Ing. Electrical Engineering, Technical University, German Redbrick. 😊 Not meant as boasting. Did not test my IQ.
😊
Higher intelligence breeds loneliness and fragility by reflection. The echos of the mind ring louder and more often. The space to have a singular voice of peace reduced to a dream.
i was told i had a high iq in elemantary.. I have no college education, work 3 months a year and im fully retired at 38. not a single good friend by the way... cant even get along with family.. people are full of shit. and i like to be alone.. my networth is over a mil by the way.. without even trying
@@bigcpimpdaddy7217 Maybe people are just jealous of your success thats why they can't be your friends. Have you tried befriending people of the same annual income?
@@reggieshmeggie4219 i can see where ur hoing with this , but is more complicated than that. i guess i see through people and am an introvert that can be the life of the the party. i read the rarest personality trades and i have them.. soo maybe is me... but i see how people are very superficial.
@@bigcpimpdaddy7217 high IQ as he proceeds to misspell elementary lol
@@bigcpimpdaddy7217 I think that rare personality “trade” you have is narcissism.
I’m from Asia country and I graduated from one of the best high schools in the country (we have high school entrance exam here to select students here).
I have noticed there are 3 types of students in our school:
1. The ‘The minimal study good grades’ students
2. The ‘Hard working good grades’ student
3 The ‘Hard working bad grades’ students
(The majority)
Sometimes hard work won’t give u the top grades, IQ do matters, I have learnt that reality a long time. ago.
Learn to solve problems and puzzles
Don't worry, work on your EQ and you will be more successful than the people with higher IQ once you start working. Work on being a better communicator, verbally and in writing.
Why would IQ matter over technique. It's like people only see hard work and inherited intelligence. It's such a shame people are so blind...
@@Adam-cn5ib true, but you have to be in the top 2% in the country to enter. Everyone has developed their own study techniques during junior high. Yet there is a “ First place” and a “last place”. And finding the “optimal technique” for yourself is a matter of intelligent itself, isn’t it?
How do you know for a fact that the school you went to is the best, if all they do there is weed out the less talented kids, so they can avoid the hard work of actually teaching anyone?
If you’re smart, you won’t have to tell anyone, other people will spread the word for you
Wish the people in the comment section could read this. I think all the self proclaimed genuises from reddit have gathered here bro.
Mitth'raw'nuruodo and Palpatine had fun with pet Vanto
Not necessarily true, I'm autistic and have lived with some extremely intelligent people with autism. This one girl is basically a genius, but very naive, like a 4 year old. She's the type to easily fall for scams for example. At the same time, give her a complex problem, or puzzle and she'll figure it out quicker than anyone else in the room. My point is, if you don't know her she seems like an idiot but she's actually rather smart
@@Lo0nex_ Nobody knowing is better than you telling everyone how smart you are. That is in fact the best way to make people think that you aren't smart and if you go around telling people, you probably aren't.
@@beyondthecamera333 huh? i wasn't even referring to myself, rather a girl i lived with... did you even read what i typed out or not?
Realising that half the population has an IQ under 100
not only explains a lot...
but also helps one to make allowances for the inevitable consequences.
Really? Half of em are below 100?!!
@@kurisu3250 I was about to ask the same thing
That is quite scary
@@kurisu3250 average is 100 so yes right in the middle
Depends on what the average is. Average is what the majority will be, so it's not a set number.
Ideally you want people to slowly raise that average to make 110 or something the new average overtime, but since it's a stupid bell curve and not an actual good measure of intelligence in the long run, you just move the goal post.
If everyone were 100 or higher, things would be better, because function and cognizant thinking are really important to everyday life.
There was actually an awesome episode on a old badly CGI'ed show called Reboot in which the kid character wishes he was the smartest person in the world.
His wish is granted when everyone else becomes stupid, but his intelligence stays exactly the same. It highlights why a comparative measure is inherently stupid because it doesn't mean anything if your bar is set too low to begin with.
@@vixxcelacea2778 No, the average IQ 85-115. So 100 is right in the middle.
Working in the military I have seen young lads that, can barley function in a classroom environment, rapidly problem solve a dynamic combat situation and instantly deliver instruction on how to solve the current situation. It's a level of intelligence that is magical to witness.
I think a lot of people are like that. Classrooms are just a giant bore but put them in a situation they find stimulating and their brains come to life, often in a spectacular style.
@@robertstorey7476 possibly. People definitely thrive in different environments
How many of them are still alive? You obviously fared well. I mean.."combat soloution" Oh wait..it was a "situation? .it was dynamic! So what? Was an enemy involved other than " bro, yo got this" at your military complex at home? Did you witness them in combat overseas to only be alive so you can dictate a working understanding? Eff off.
You're not worth your salt, gamer.
@@tungstenanderson5991 what lol
@@mascall87 hardy, har, har!
How is it an uncomfortable fact that some people are smarter than others isn’t it normal to know some people are smarter than you
Many people are ego satisfaction driven. For some knowing someone else's intellect is superior to their won't satisfy their ego.
Were you not raised in a society that strives for equality? If you were then there should be some kind of hesitance to use a test to arbitrarily decide a person deserves less opportunities than someone else. The real problem is that just because someone is "smarter" than someone else doesn't mean they are infallible and superior in every way to said other person.
@TheGamingMelon exactly right.
If you want to learn, find people who are more knowledgeable. The stupid guy pushing a broom may know where the bathroom is in his building, very useful info when a smart visitor needs to relieve themselves!
@@jeremyanderson3819 It is not arbitrary, and there are approximately zero places where an IQ test is used for placement. (OK. Except MENSA.) Also, it is not *fewer* opportunities. It is different ones.
I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough.
The exact same thing I say to myself
Well said
That doesn’t mean shit
brilliant
@@strafniki1080 💝
I've got an IQ of 142, but it hasn't been particularly useful in real life. Social skills, common sense and hard work are much more useful. Being rich is always helpful too.
It’s only useful if you use it. But if you use it you’ll conquer anything. Let’s not be naïve
I know I don’t have the best IQ and I’m fine with that honestly. I know my great qualities and use that to live my life
That's great! This is wisdom.
Same 😃
@@carlgauss1702 Really? Then in which test should you believe?
@@carlgauss1702 i see. I agre with you. English is not my first language, so can you explain to me what was the main point of Peterson in this video please? I will greatly appreciate it.
@@thegreatgatsbygatsby474 People can work hard for their dreams and maybe they will achieve it. But its easier to achieve it with an high IQ. So if u have an low IQ u need to work much harder, or you just go on another path thats more in your league and work the same amount as every mediocre guy.
Some are smarter, others stronger or faster and so on and so forth! It's no big deal, it's just the way it is.
I’m just built different
Had to screenshot this. I took an IQ test and got a 116 so I’m not an idiot by any means but this comment is just so awesome and true. So many of us forget this
And some are dumb, ugly, weak, bad hair, fat.. oh wait thats me
But...but...equality, Man! Don’t you believe in equality?!
Intelligence is unquantifiable. It is NOT a number.
I realized my intelligence when I realized I wasn't the smartest person.
But the people who think they are smart are usually stupid. And people who are smart enough realize they aren't the smartest, think they are smart for realizing it. Therefore think they are smart. Wich means they could actually be stupid.
A loop in logic that I thought of cause I'm smart.
Wait.....
@@supercomputer0448 😂😂😂
@@supercomputer0448 bruh, you just described my life.
@@supercomputer0448 That makes you smart :)
@@supercomputer0448 it’s because smart people know lots of things but feel stupid because they are aware of how much more in life there is for them to learn so they feel stupid meanwhile dumb people don’t realize how much there is for them to learn and they think what they know is lots when it’s not so they think there are smart
I have love hate relationship with this guy but he is one of a few people in the world that makes me rethink so many topics. Brilliant speaker.
True. We are not born equal. We should be grateful & graceful about it
I've been saying that for the longest time, but no one believes me
We are born to be of equal worth, just not born to equal opportunity or identical ability. There is a difference in that. Different != not equal.
Why someone with lower IQ should be grateful for it? He has to work harder to catch up with others. For example in school I had to work my ass off to get average results while my friends didn't study at all and do well. In the end I accept the way I am but it doesn't mean that I have to be grateful for it.
Idk why we should be grateful of it
Only high IQ people should be grateful
I love how annoyed people get that there might be someone too stupid to do something...right up until you suggest they have an idiot as a surgeon. Then they agree some people definitely are dumb and should be kept out of certain things. Self-interest always seems to focus people's opinions pretty well.
Thank you for proving the stupid work hard stuff wrong
Surgeons are usually idiots, though.
I am a school administrator with 25 years in the business. I have advocated for IQ testing for 25 years. My idea is to test at kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grades, then in 5th grade. By developing a composite score to index standardized score by we will have truer pictures of kids ability and how they perform with it. It will also allow schools to schedule and tailor curriculum for students that is with in their skill set.
Currently we expect every kid to do the some level of work based solely on their age. We only begin to make changes once the kid is in trouble. The system just doesn't work for all kids and all schools. I have held out for 25 years for meaningful change in how we educate children - now I'm just ready to retire because I'm tired of seeing what we are doing to kids.
@Sugeiry Trinidad kids fail school because they 1) are mismatched with the curriculum and 2) don't enjoy school. Its why school improvement fails.
This will also single out the less gifted kids, which is not a good thing imo
This makes sense. Of course people should not be divided or segregated based on IQ: after all it's desirable to be able to communicate and share with people of many kinds (and in this case, different IQs). But helping kids (and teenagers, and adults) to get the best out of the education system is something needed in order to have a more productive, more advanced, more understanding, more aware, more inclusive, happier and healthier society.
This would be more credible if the IQ test was the end all be all in terms of accuracy. The point is that there are different types of thinking, that lead to different results. All this would be doing is advancing those most successfully conditioned to the way it is tested. Then there is the moral aspect, imagine your life and quality education decided by a variable number. Many people in my field refuse IQ tests on that singular basis, being represented by an imperfect test.
If you really wanted to advance the inherent advantages of "smart" people. Free college and numerous academic opportunity is necessary first. Intellectualism would have to be rewarded in the first place as well, as it stands right now; any average person could name social media figures but struggle to name one Nobel Prize Winner. Society conforms to what it values most, and right now money is valued over human thought at the moment. My personal theory.
@@bobjones9656 There's no need to test after every term. Several times in elementary school, maybe once in middle and once in high school. The scores will not differ wildly, but you would have a good composite score. You are only seeing the use of having a high IQ, and seeing IQ range as measured in good and bad - or high and low respectively. Imagine a kid with a 65 IQ sitting in class and never being able to do the work his classmates can do. Imagine a teacher told to raise class scores with a kid with a 65 and another with a 58IQ.
Here's the issue: some kids cannot do grade-level work every. there is no instructional method, no amount of tutoring nor special program that will override their IQ. It doesn't make them bad people, nor useless to society. They simply need to be in classes that will allow them to engage life at their ability level. Imagine being an above-average kid in a class that is slowed down because there are so many kids at the low average level that you are never taught to your ability level.
I'm not sure what field you're in, but the "many people in your field" who reject IQ on moral grounds simply don't understand IQ, and like most have assigned Good and Bad to the scores. Its less moral to keep lower IQ in classes where they can never compete and blame them for their failure. It would be better to have them in programs and classes that they can compete at and support themselves down the road.
I am proof that a below average IQ is a hell in itself. I struggled immensely during school almost repeating 5th grade. Th stress and cruelty from both school and home for struggling to keep up is a daily nightmare simply because your not endowed with the TALENT necessary to make everyone happy. 😢
My friend, _no one_ is endowed with the ability to make _everyone_ happy. Be grateful for what you do have, and do the very best you can. Success, not IQ, is the key to happiness.
@Benjamin Shields- what's your idea of below average? Average is 90- 110.
In reading your post, you appear to me that you are incredibly intelligent with a high degree of emotional intelligence. On a side note, I have come to know that it is a tactic of emotionally abusive people to make sure that they are never happy with you. This way, their target just keeps trying harder and harder to please them.
@@annap8867Well said, OP better take care of himself, no one need to make everyone happy.
I am thankful to the fact that I am at least moderately intelligent. I got good grades in school, am attending a good engineering program, and am doing at least competently. I am far more thankful for the fact I was born to parents that instilled things like a love of learning, or desire to be creative, and diligent in work and study. Discipline isn't something that comes natural, it is often something that comes from nurture rather than nature.
Interesting...I’ve always thought my biggest advantage in life is simply the fact that I was born with average intelligence and taught how to work by my parents, teachers, mentors and coaches. As a business person I always want to surround myself with team members who are good critical thinkers and smarter than me in their given field of expertise. I feel no pressure at all to be “the smartest person in the room”. I do think I have above average leadership and critical thinking skills although I’m not sure if those are innate or learned attributes. Looking at others I think they are essentially innate skills improved over time with opportunity and practice, maybe the proverbial “it” factor that’s so hard to define.
I'll take common-sense over book smarts any day.
Generally, in my opinion... Common sense is taught to you by your father, or an older male in your family.
And many women are street-smart but that'll only take you so far...
@@happydazeharvick4399 well one cant go without another
"My biggest advantage in life is having no advantage at all in intelligence" - yep, you're a potato.
If you truly feel no pressure to be the smartest in the room I envy you alot
Spoiler alert: for those who want to avoid wasting their time, apparently the ‘uncomfortable fact’ Is that some people are smarter than others ...I’ve never felt this to be uncomfortable myself...
Not to us of course. But for all the "no child left behind" people. Or the people seeking equality of outcome.
@@Prof_LK Stupid people, or rather dumbed down tax payers is the ideal world for any ruling class. Nothing better for them than to have people focusing their attention on their neighbors and citizens, looking down in despair and never raise their gaze to the horizon.
Doesn't really go along with all the "everyone is equal" idea.
@@joecoolioness6399 Everyone is equal in ability so low pay is a result of not working hard enough to advance. So therefore it's ok to pay shit wages because "those people" deserve to live in deprivation due to moral defects.
It's only uncomfortable if you have the introspection to recognize and admit that you may be in the lower percentile. Not necessarily that you ARE, but that there is the POTENTIAL that you aren't as smart as you think you are. I will willingly admit that this was definitely the case for me when I went to college, where I went to being one of the smartest people in my public school class to being matched or outright out-intellect-ed by many of my new peers. Yes, I may be at or below the 50% intelligence 'benchmark'. I'd like to believe otherwise, as I made it to a top-X university and routinely score fantastically in standardized testing, excelled in my courses for my job in the Navy as an electronics technician (one of the longest intellectual pipelines in the Navy, short of being a Nuclear Power-related job), etc. etc., all these achievements I can point at... but maybe it's like he's saying in the video, maybe I'm not actually "smart", I'm just a person who worked hard to overcome my dumb-ness. Who knows? It's all irrelevant because my intelligence (or lack thereof) hasn't held me back from any of the things I've set out to do.
With all that said, tl;dr it's easy to dismiss Peterson's point by going "well, pfft, of COURSE some people are dumb!" and then think (subconsciously or otherwise) "[But not me, I know I'M not one of said lower-50-percent!]" Thinking like this is the reason why the Dunning-Krueger Effect exists and has a name.
After reading many of the comments after watching this video, it's clear that what Jordan Peterson is talking about reflects the uncomfortable nature of pointing out various levels of intelligence. Sometimes pointing out a simple observation can make people very uncomfortable. Who wants to be labeled as less intelligent? Having to confront your own limitations and shortcomings isn't an activity that most people look forward to.
I can see why he's attacked so much. Some people are just smarter than others. And this leads to the next question, are some groups of people more intelligent than others? This question is taboo, just as he is saying.
While it may be taboo to ask, it is the fact that he is being attacked irks me. He is discussing this at a University. The one place where people are suppose to grapple with uncomfortable conversations; that is the entire idea of a University. The degradation of modern education is becoming more and more apparent.
There is no doubt there are less intelligent people, the question for me is, are you born less intelligent or are you simply not at potential.
There are different types of intelligence too.
@@Foster_The_Wild IQ has around a .7 correlation to nature, although the understanding is being reworked as it’s found out that the prevalency of infectious diseases is the biggest predictor of a groups average IQ. The more infectious diseases the lower the IQ.
@@factsbykidd4765 I read The Bell Curve when it first came out and people were outraged that it showed statistically that African Americans didn't measure up to White Americans. What I noticed was that Asian Americans were equally ahead of White Americans. Are they born with a higher IQ, do they get better nutrition and health care, or do their parents push them to their highest potential? Food for thought.
Most people either deny difficult truths, or become embittered. They can’t just accept it and move on.
Always dated women smarter than myself.
When they figured it out
I never had to break up with them
Cheers
That's a smart move
Sometimes that works. I knew a welder. He could weld but wasn't that smart. She was a college graduate. They lived together for over 50 years.
Sooooooo, you are still dating all of them?
Firsthgyhgyhuy Lastujhujhuj neither would you
I was a case study and a challenge to her and lucky for me. It's true, stuff happens.
My entire life, my family has called me “Smarter than I know” or “Smartest kid they know”. The consequence of this is that I’ve developed a hubristic sense of self where I think I’m the smartest person in the room. This is an unhealthy mindset that I’ve tried mutilating, but I still subconsciously think this way. I’m an ego-dystonic vulnerable narcissist, and it’s not fun. But, it’s the way I’ll always be no matter how hard I try. I’m dumb and I’ll never be smart. I will only think I’m smart.
Facts. But don't worry G. If you're living life and being happy that's all that matters. Keep your head up ! Who gives about some IQ bullshit.
@@mintice850 it’s easier said than done to just be happy with this kind of mindset
@@mintice850, Why should I be happy if all of my happiness has been at the expense of someone else’s happiness? If anything, I deserve sadness and frustration.
Smart enough to be self-aware,tho’
@@mr.coffee5220 at the expense of who?
Taking into account online iq tests, my iq is around 130. I've always been the top 1 in my classes when I was younger. I grew older and got lazy and haven't achieved much but getting depressed. I wish I could trade iq points for happiness and social skills. My life would be easier and more pleasant.
I just took a normal official test and I got 127 a year back. For the lazy part: read more, set deadlines earlier, and sometimes reflect on social situations. Happiness is something you find for yourself. I found happiness by making stuff (mechanical engineering) and having great friends.
I don't think lazy exists. I think lazy beyond the occasional struggling to turn off the light with your foot instead of actually getting up to do so (which is an evolutionary thing, path of least resistance and conserving calories gone awry we demonize lazy way too much.) is usually mental illness.
If you are still struggling with issues and feel your life is not going where you want, it doesn't hurt to see if you get a diagnosis of some sort. Especially since high IQ is highly associated to mental health disorders. Undiagnosed mental health disorders invariably lead to depression.
Same. I started losing my motivation when I was 12 due to family issues. That was 3 years ago. I desperately want to get better from my "lazy" disease. Perhaps we can use this thread to motivate each other to work on ourselves, as well as other people scrolling by.
No such thing as a legitimate online IQ test so you can throw that result in the garbage.
Online IQ tests often times don't mean anything.
Is there a laziness quotient? I would certainly be in the genius spectrum
BTW: For the folks who get all sensitive, defensive, or worked-up over (I.Q.): A few years ago Peterson mentioned that MANY people with "HIGH I.Qs" end up being quite.... "USELESS." I don't recall the exact video, but he made an excellent point & gave valid reasons why that happens. I think WE ALL know someone in that category ! 😎
Yup. My husband has a friend who could answer every Jeopardy question, graduated tops in her class from law school & ended up working as a clerk in a book store. (Nothing wrong with book store clerk jobs but you think she would have accomplished more with her high IQ & education.) She also had very little common sense.
I was very impressed how he put those thoughts into some full sentences, those thought might just be thought in my head
I'm not that interested in my IQ as much as what I'm doing with my life.
Mood. I'd rather be a successful person than know I have some arbitrary number that says I can supposedly think faster than other people.
At the University of Akron I heard this over and over: "you are here because you the upper tier of our society." I always asked " This school has open-enrollment, how can that be true?"
Dr. J.P., unafraid and still spitting knowledge... it's amazing they've let him live this long. God bless you, Jordan.
Being smart is a course. You go your entire early life learning everything straigth away, and when you come to university and actually have to work, all your habits is wrong.
Holy shit i just realized he sounds like kermit the frog
ikr lmao
@@Kurvid bro i've never seen that before lol
Thanks.
Thanks, now I'll never take him seriously again
That's big brain thinking
Was talking to a person the other day who was thoroughly convinced that genetics played 0 role in intelligence. I'm not sure how they came to this conclusion but whenever I tried to speak they yelled over me so unfortunately they're just going to have to keep believing it.
My parents and pretty much everyone I’ve ever known has said that I am extremely intelligent. I excel at math, got 100% in algebra in high school. But I’m an angry, depressed, unmotivated recluse. So much for intelligence
Bro, I feel you
@championchap thanks for the advice
@@legionleschyzophrene4929 yup thanks man
You guys have everything and much more in your hands, but even so, don't do shit. Meanwhile, other people have nothing, but are always fighting to become better
I would agree that creativity has little to do with scholastic success, but I believe it has a great deal to do with one's ability to solve unconventional problems. One of my professors, who taught materials science, was very good at posing problems that required technical creativity. He believed, as do I, that in the real world, creativity can be as important as IQ. I was an R&D engineer. Without my creativity, I would have struggled.
I say this while having a relatively high IQ, I would absolutely prefer to hire someone who is moral and who knows how to work hard, as opposed to someone who is merely a genius. I am 62 years old, and it did not occur to me until this moment, that throughout my early years I was an incredible F up and I did not stop being a F up until I committed to working hard, but more, working hard within a moral framework. There was a time I worked very hard to lie, cheat and steal my way through life - and I lived a life of failure. Once I added morality to that hard work, suddenly I became a success. I may have started out a genius, but I was not smart enough to know what was truly important.
Addendum: I should say that 'once' I had a high IQ. I don't know if that changes through the years. I also don't know if the IQ tests I took were weighted in Mathematics. I was always kind of an idiot savant when it came to math, geometry and algebra. When it came to Language, History, or Biology, things you had to study and memorize, my eyes glazed over and I stared out the nearest window.
The good Dr P . writes: The rate of deterioration of "fluid" IQ can be lessened by cardiovascular exercise.
@@siyaindagulag. I am a runner, @ 12 miles a week, but let me break that down further. I do a 2 mile distance run from home 3-4 days a week, and then turn around and do interval sprints for 2 miles back home. This means I do moderate intensity cardio for an hour+ a week, and then high intensity cardio for 1.5 to 2 hours a week. (It takes longer to do interval running for the same distance as distance running.)
I believe that high intensity interval cardio has much better health benefits than prolonged moderate intensity cardio. It would be interesting to see if this is also true for improved cognitive skills.
I don't have data on that but Dr P (actually) said: (and I say sozzy for stuffing up the quote)" Aerobic AND anaerobic exercise Will cut it. D epends on body type, age, and other circumstance.
GO !! The fast twitch . More efficient .my opinion
I did that for pretty well everything except science, i did stand up in grade 5 with my fellow students and call the christian preacher a liar and the book full of shit.That was around 1975 maybe.
I was brought up bye atheists , when i asked about the world , they told me to go and research it in the library, thats a local google now.
Been learning about the world ever since and never have come across any god claims with any credibility , nor have i found any of jordan peterson`s god salad any good.I Put my Anti theism down to good upbringing and aboriginal anti middle eastern religious genes.
A person value is not their IQ , but in their inter actions with society and the planet.
Read the BELL CURVE
I’ve always had to work hard for good grades and the saying that motivates me as I do university is this: “Even idiots can get a Doctorate.” I hope this will ring true for me 😂
A friend of mine struggled on the MCAT, struggled to get into med school, and struggled to pass. He is a doctor.
Edit to add: a doctor, but not MY doctor!
education setting isn't really something that tests your intelligence. I know less intelligent individuals who killed it in school/uni but failed miserably in real life and work. Same vice versa. It really depends on which aspect of life you are judging. Some people being smarter than others in terms of acquiring knowledge quickly or processing knowledge is undeniable fact. However, winning that genetic lottery is absolutely irrelevant if you can't get a job anywhere due to your crippling emotional intelligence or social skills or what have you. Don't be deterred by it because if money is any indicator of success, most rich people are dumber than your average person
yeah, they can get a doctorate in, say, religious studies.
Only if their supervisor is not an idiot 😂. Some labs hand feed their students to churn out Ph.D.s, others let them sink or swim on their own, which is the way it should be.
Intelligent people also have to work hard for good grades, and if you have neurodivergence then harder, getting good grades is more about having great memory, and lucky circumstances
I truly believe in the "9 types of intelligence" break down. You ever heard someone say "He's as dumb as a rock?"
I personally know a guy who scored 1600 on the SAT but had the social interpersonal skills of a rock.
And that might be insulting a rock.
poor rock how dare you lol
Anybody with a high IQ can learn social skills, be charming, or whatever it may be that the brilliant stereotypically lack, IF they decided to learn how its done. This is infrequent, as smart people often have higher level things to worry about than social skills. There is only one measure...IQ...processing speed. Everything else is where you decide to focus your energies.
I’ve heard the expression, dumb as a box of rocks.
Scoring 1600 on an SAT doesn't mean that person has high IQ, just so you know. That's not how it works. Just like someone with PHD doesn't mean that person has high IQ.
@Stirred ... not Shaken ! Wrong, knowing what your user name means requires knowledge of a specific reference, which even a brilliantly high IQ individual would not know unless they'd seen the source material. Deduction from knowledge is completely different from processing power, which is IQ.
I can feel his stress or other type of feeling when he pauses, I pretty sure its because he knows of the concept very well, but it's much harder to explain it without giving the wrong idea.
This really just boils down to how you define what being smarter than someone else is.
If we define it as an ability, an ability to solve mathematical and logical equations on a broader difficulty than your peers, then yeah you'd be smarter.
If it is the ability to tackle abstract and uknown questions, and come up to a tangible and understandable conclusion that benefits others, then you are smarter.
If it means that you are far better than your peers at fixing cars, building houses, or even cooking, then yes obviously you are brighter.
The way I see it, the smart people in this world are those that are able to enjoy it properly while it lasts regardless of their skills at any given task.
Smarter yet are those people who pertains the abilities of the former individual but in a way that promotes it into others, and has a lasting effect.
All that said, I'm obviously not very smart.
Intelligence to me is people figuring out how things work, coming up with ideas to make things better. The people who work on, talk about or discuss ways in which we can make our lives more fruitful, whether that's solving world hunger, coming up with better political and economic systems or discovering and creating medicine or finding new applications for mathematics that change our understanding.
I'm the kind of person who likes applicable intelligence. It's great that someone can have incredibly complex math equations, but if there is no use to them, I'm not jumping up and down about it. I'd view it the same as creating a piece of interesting art. It's great and useful, but it's not universally applicable. I think the obsession with complexity = smart is a wrong way to go about it.
Being intelligent makes life much easier-you don't get taken in by scams..nor do you pay high interest rates or get taken by scam artists. Recognizing the real differences in intelligence would help below-average people as well-they could be given better education to help them. I agree-pretending that differences don't exist helps no one.
Good points. Intellegent people are skeptics. Also the ability to think "what if" situations.
I have low motivation and a bit of intelligence. This bit of intelligence is enough to let high motivated people work for me, so I don't mind or suffer.
Keep learning. Never forget what you learned & apply it when able. Don't compare, to others, that's a waste of energy.
Schools will want quick retention. However long-term retention is how you BUILD intelligence.
Uncomfortable fact at 4:22, if you're in a hurry
And his point has no relevance to anything. Quite a few “smart” people have no problem pursuing jobs and responsibilities that require their capabilities.
The irony is that he is such a below-average intellectual under the delusion that he is one of the great ones.
@@andrewwolff9129 go on.
@@andrewwolff9129 go on.
@@andrewwolff9129 go on.
please.
@@andrewwolff9129 go on
I've spent a good portion of my life thinking I'm dumb. I'm a creative person with an academic mind but also struggle in academic areas due to my dyslexia. I understand concepts and pick things up very quickly. I just struggle to convey the information through standard academic means. I've always avoided taking iq tests because I wasn't ready to deal with that. Recently I just bit the bullet and took a few. I spent a good week taking them because I couldn't believe the first result. I came back at 142. Thinking it was complete luck I tried a different test, got 143. Depending on how I feel and how alert I am at the time I get between 138 and 144. I'm starting to think that my iq matched with my learning disability is a huge factor in my underachievement and the depression Ive developed. I'm a bit of a mess but I'm trying to get better.
Best wishes for your future, buddy.
Gifted people are special needs. Their brain are different from a nerotypical brain. They aren't like neurotypical people. That's why it is difficult for a gifted understand neurotypical functioning and vice versa. If the giftedness isn't identified in childhood and the child has no help from specialists to understand himself and learn how to adapt to a society that don't appreciate how they think and how they are (only appreciate what the creations of their giftedness), the chances of developing anxiety and depression are huge. The only tests that are useful to identiy giftedness are individual tests. Group tests are bullshit. IQ tests, while helpfull, have lots of failures and limitations and aren't precise. That's why IQ tests help identify giftedness, but can't be the only way to identify it. There is another big problem on relying only on IQ tests: giftedness isn't necessarily linked to high IQ. Thats why those gifted with not so high IQ are even more difficult to identify. But they have the same characteristics commonly found in gifted people (huge creativity; huge curiosity; arborescent thinking; ease of learning in areas of interest; aversion to hierarchy; divergent thinking; emotional and/or sensory overexitability; impostor syndrome; low self esteem; leadership spirit; alergies and autoimmune diseases proneness; high level of empathy and ethics; perfectionism; etc.)
Many gifted, even those that aren't twice exceptional like you, have problems with academic standards. Even the ease of learning can be a problem, because when things are easy, people may get easily bored, leading to a lack of interest or may never learn how to study in school and find difficulty in a very complex area in college. Giftedness can be divided in two categories: academic and creative/productive. Most gifted people from lower classes in countries with huge social inequality are creative/productive type, because they don't have access to the adequate and necessary stimuly to develop academic type (that is another problem with IQ tests, because they are biased to academic type)
High intelligence with learning disabilities is not uncommon. I hope you can enjoy the journey. Keep exploring and learning. Thomas Edison was kicked out of school for being "addled". His mom taught him at home. He was actually dyslexic.
@@oliviafox6745Peterson doesn't appeal to high IQ people.
I Q is not the only measure of intelligence.
Memory is not the only measure.
Common sense, and the ability to think out side of the box is not measurable in I Q tests.
My fathers IQ was so far off the charts when tested by the U. S. Navy he was yanked from becoming a tail gunner. And sent to the University of Oklahoma for a crash course in explosives. He went on to invent and produced patent after patent for both the Navy and Arojet ,one of the original rocket men. Worked in Los Alomos and White Sands proving grounds . The list goes on.
Yes, his I Q most likely saved his life as tail gunners did not last very long.
And yes, he developed and engineered some impressive weapons. In fact he developed part of the very first atomic bombs ,something that really bothered him till he died. As did one specific bunker buster he worked on that used fleshetts.
My dad was able to invent alot of stuff and improve things in his life. But he had another very weak mind in other aspects of his life.
He lacked common sense, wisdom and made terrible life decisions. He over thought simple fixes to the point of absurdity.
A $300.00 fix for a $10.00 idem.
Given a choice of having a high I Q and no social skills or common sense.
I'd rather a low IQ and have common sense,social skills and having friends.
I'm sure my I Q is much lower than my Dads but there was so many times when I would find a solution that worked and implemented it before he was done thinking about the solution. In other words the simple stuff eluded him.Once in his 50' s actually wore a Beatles wig on a date , maroon leisure suit polyester print shirt you could see coming from a hundred yards away. Yet, not to be noticed because the white leather belt and shoes was all your eye could manage.
I can still see the big 2 tone red and white ford camper special with the large cab over camper leaving the driveway to that 1 time date blasting Bobby Ventons Blue Velvet from the 8 track.
I tried to tell him the wig was ridicules and it really pissed him off, I was 10 or 11 then .
He just didn't get it.
That is one of many examples of living with someone who's IQ was off the charts.
Be happy how ever God made you.
Contribute as best you can with the gifts you are given and dont worry about the gifts or curses of others . Just be yourself, improve on what you have as you can and you will go far in life.
An argument from authority LMAO.
their bloke reckons he has an IQ of 200 , yet he keeps crapping on about evidence for god , clearly an IQ of 200 to me means religious ignorance, fails to comprehend evidence and believes most of all that the universe works the way he wants it and that to me states very clearly he has no IQ.
jordan peterson is an imbecile who belies that the louder he speaks and more word salad he presents is evidence ,he is typical of the god virus.
Religion is a disease, the sooner it is recognized as such, the sooner we can get back to being a global community instead of religious factions fighting over who`s non existent god is better ..
@@ossiedunstan4419 I am not a very religious person, but I wonder if it is a "disease". I am starting to think that religion is a way to bind people to a common cause and it is necessary. The depleting trust in religion seems to shift people's trust to politicians and "influencers" who are ideologues, which is a real disease in my eyes and an extremely dangerous one at that.
@@Mushimiya
Belive God is real,Jesus was brought back from the dead, anyone do not that after 3 days? And those who reject their creator are in a lot of troubble.
@@Mushimiya - I hear you on that. I'm torn between the obvious falsity in every religion and the unifying effect it has on a society. Without religion maybe the diversity within a society could render it incapable of growing beyond a certain size.
Conversely, religion quite likely limits human potential somewhat and is the root cause of a myriad of other problems.
Its a paradox of human nature. Everyone wants to be an individual, but no one wants to be an individual on their own.
Without religion, a vacuum is seamingly formed and this either lets unfettered debauchery prevail or totalitarian control.
Is there an alternative that allows humans to reach their individual potential whilst providing a stable society for the masses whilst in the long run preventing dictators or demogogs seizing power?
@@ossiedunstan4419 bruh. i think it's a tad silly to default to an assumption that god is nonexistent. the problem that the people of earth face, is not the existence of god per se. it's that they anthropomorphize god. god is a SkyKingJudgeDaddy because "He" (of course god is a dude!) lives on a cloud in the sky, and is Lord of "his" domain. He is a judge because he is both King and Magistrate and decides what is right and wrong for humans, and "he" is a Daddy because is a Father to "his" children. that is a belief for simpletons, whether they have a low or high IQ. in reality, if there is a god, and this god really did make the universe, then it stands to reason, that god is billions, or trillions of years old. To dream up the universe and then to make it happen would make god astonishingly intelligent and incomprehensibly powerful. The combination of staggering age, intelligence and power makes god an alien entity. I would suggest that this alien entity is unapproachable. no one that lives or ever lived could possibly know what god thinks about, or wants, or feels, or what god's plans might be. They certainly would not be able to communicate with god on a mental or spiritual or psychic level, which forecloses any possibility that any human can have a "personal relationship" with god. This automatically makes all religion total insanity. Ultimately, that probably is your real issue, not with god's existence or lack of, but the sheer arrogance of religion itself.
When I went to university; I had a friend who was in the majority of my history classes with me. He got straight A's and I got A's and B's. He studied four days straight if we had a test. I studied for maybe 2 hours for the same test. Yes, if he got say 84 on the test and I got around 77. A lower mark!!! He was academically a higher achieving student. However, he was not a very smart person in the least. He was a social idiot who had a lot of trouble getting along with people. If we did a presentation together for class, I would have to do most of the talking. 20 years later, I have a successful academic career and he can't hold a job. Universities don't want their students to know that grades mean very little outside of the University. It's not an indicator of a person's overall intelligence.
More like his antisocial skills was a big set back that he didn't work on, and it sort of snowball all the way down to his ruin.
If he maintained his hard working mindset then he would definitely have been able to compete with you, to a varying degree I don't know his personal social issues.
The capability to pursue learning and work relentlessly compared to others regardless of personal intelligence (ie rate of learning) is incredibly valuable and very rare (most people give up after formal education for the most part, only integrating upon their existing skills at a far lower rate).
So true. OK google can get you a majority of the regurgitate terminology based curriculum in the matter of the minute. I have a degree and it's completely over rated.
A lot of autistic people seem normal and nobody would even recognize they're autistic, you'd think they're anyone else. But they're still not social idiots, you sound like you're bitter about him. Grow up
I dont think universities prepare students for the workforce.
I really love this guy "short speaches" that available on youtube... - always entertaining and something new to learn!
"Short speeches" .. that's good, I will use that in the future.
One study found those who overestimate their IQ tend to be below average on intelligence, whereas those who underestimate their IQ tend to be above average. Having sane judgement is often disregarded in IQ tests, keep it real folks.
Information is a double edged sword. Knowing something can give you a big advantage in a given situation and be a big burden in another. Being smart helps you process new information and make links with what you know. I think it is important to know yourself, because knowing your limits can help you act accordingly and help you grow. IQ tests are interesting tools to assess a person’s intellectual capacity, but they should be taken more as a reference of what you could do better instead of the results being your actual capacity. After all, many factors can change the results: your motivation, your personal health, your situation, the target demographic you are being compared to, the content and the shape of the test, etc. So I believe the point is not wether we should be labelled as intelligent or not from the result of such a test but how we should help the person understand the results because knowing this information could be a good catalyst for growth.
I found out long ago I was slow to catch on and learn a new thing than the brighter in class,... Where they were able to get a hold on it by the first hour,.. I'd have to finally get to understanding what I was trying to learn before proceeding, but when I DID get it,. I could always do it AS good as the brighter, OR if it was a physical task, I'd always make mine straighter, cleaner, more innovative, and generally better because I knew well my lack.
As well....
The funny thing is, most people, regardless of intelligence, would label themselves as "above average. The stupid say this due to the dunning-Kruger effect and the smartest of the smartest because they likely have an imposter syndrome. Only those who have been tested can be certain to a degree and even then, you could score 89 on one day and 112 on a better day.
well I have impostor syndrome and I’m not quite the ‘smartest of smartest’. I’m no gifted prodigy either. People tell me I’m quite intelligent and I’ll be successful in life but that’s because they haven’t seen what truly intelligent people can do nor have they met any. I’ve fooled everyone into thinking I’m a genius just because of the extra bits of knowledge I have. Not fair.
Yeah fair shout. I've hit anywhere between 108 and 146 on IQ tests. The paid ones were closer to the higher end so I like to hope those ones are more accurate. It doesn't make up for basically zero motivation and ambition though.
Doesn't help that most IQ tests are horseshit, or pretend to be free but ask you for payment to see your results.
@@martynborthwick1845 online tests are bs, obviously, but actual ones are pretty reliable
Might what to check out what imposter syndrome is. Its the exact opposite of what your statement implies
I want to be a man with grit, a man who can overcome problems and setbacks, and a man who perseveres against all odds.
it sucks knowing that no matter how hard you try you'll never be enough.
For what?
We are all exactly as we should be - the challenge is accepting this…
The higher the IQ, the more problems and misery you will have. Many years of treating people...
This is true. I have been misunderstood my entire life, always been sad for no reason, always have seen things differently than others. This is situational, but sometimes I can fully predict things that are going to happen a week early based on other things I see around it. Its insanity, idk how I do it, but maybe it means I am not normal. Something else someone said is that the most successful people have motivation. I do not have any, never did. Maybe why my life is the way it is. All I know is I have the power to educate myself, and make myself a better person and will always strive to do so
I once heard someone talking about life: "The higher the intelligence, the higher the tragedy"
Then why am i dumb as shit and having all these problems?
@@BradleyCTurner You might be smarter than you think, but your low motivation and discipline doesn't let you see it.
@Tyler Durden mood and mental state is 99% dependent on androgens and neurotransmitters. Get them correct or keep crying
Sometimes being gifted can bring problems, too. I was bullied my whole school life, my family was toxic, yet my grades were good-average, so nobody thought I had a problem, no teacher took care for me. If a normally gifted child had this problems, the grades would have told everybody that there was something extremely wrong and the child would have got help. I was discouraged to learn by my family, claiming that reading and learning is for people who are to lazy to work. So I never learned to learn, I never succeed in life. I struggled with severe depressions and anxiety. I had a classmate who wasn't extremely smart, but diligent and she worked really hard and now is the CEO of a big company. And: She deserves it. She worked really hard for it.
thanks for sharing.
Normally gifted kids with a lot of problems get put in special ed and labeled as "slow". Its easier to do that than get their parents to quit the constant fighting at home.
Crabs in a bucket.
My family is full of people in "high positions" in society. My father's parents were teachers, my mother's father was a mayor, my cousins are both doctors, my aunt is a psychologist, another uncle is the chief of Gendarmerie in my city while his wife is a judge.
Me and my sister? I worked a dead-end job in an Eastern European factory for 5 years after finishing high school. My sister got straight As all her life but she decided to become a Jehova's Witness instead of pursuing college. If your home situation is fucked (parents divorced, grew up extremely poor, severe acnee both me and my sister), you'll just be full of mental blockages most of your life.
I only "matured" when I started reading psychotherapy books in my free time, and realized the potential I could have if only I dropped my rebellious and detached attitude toward life. Pursued a certificate in programming and I'm just surrounded by people with broken English and barely any tech skills who will probably make a shit ton of money for copy-pasting shit off the internet.
What would've happened had I not found the world of psychotherapy? Multiplied by the hundreds of thousands, these disturbances in childhood which affect your whole thinking and perception of life become not a loss to an individual's potential, but a loss to mankind as a whole.
Did you ever take accutane?
Regarding your share, you’re not the only one. I’ve often thought how unbelievable it is that giftedness, when crossed with abusive parents, can actually work against you. - because you hold up and mange to look normal in a situation where your true potential is being sacked.
"...and will stay here, and perhaps be successful insofar as you can define success along the dimension of career attainment say in you life as it unfolds from this time onward..." this guy is the king of Grandiloquence
For a half of time of my life I thought I am sort of dumb because I could not memorize things as well as others. After some time I started to observe that my attention is limited because I am in fact creative type, not sombody who can repeat things well.
Our job in life is to serve humanity with the capacities that we were blessed with and to encourage others to work with us in unity while welcoming their diverse backgrounds. Intelligence is only one of the tools we have to achieve our goals.
It was uncomfortable alright ! I had to go and see a doctor ! And thank the heavens he said I didn't have an I cube !
"Genius is 99% hard work and 1% talent".
Albert Eistein
Yes. That's why in the video Mr. Peterson said conscientiousness is also a good predictor of grades.
However, the differences in intelligence or creativity show clearly when lots of both conscientious and intelligent or creative (or both intelligent and creative) people are compared.
These differences are what Mr. Peterson clarified here.
@@Phillia_crochet i have read quite a bit of his work, not because i need to but because his work makes more sense than many others.
Wrong is ok. Some of the best talks ended with me being wrong.
It's like Dr. Peterson is combing my thoughts
I find that the issue is the definition of intelligence. Because intelligence, in my opinion, can be expanded on a continuum. motivation or how one motivates themselves could be a form of intelligence, as well as musical creativity, or mathematical logic, there are too many possibilities when it comes to the kind of intelligence one can have, and then on top of that each person may have a unique assortment of different intelligences. So, I think it’s extremely hard to judge and determine someone’s collective intelligence. It’s just way more complex than that. If you have any thoughts please reply.
Yeah that's true. That's why all these online IQ tests are not really representative of anything. The ones held in controlled environments like in mensa, they have very different kinds of questions because being extremely good at only one of these things is called a savant. Having a general intelligence higher than average means that you generally are better at a higher number of these different types of intelligences. And this test not only includes just some random pattern recognition but also memory based parts to the test amongst other things giving a more accurate result.
agree, i always get some high score in math questions which lots of them are IQ tests but when it comes to creativity or art intelligent i suck really bad😂 and my friend is vice versa
@@radioactive7438 there is an art intelligence test in mensa?
I believe that intelligence is quite general. Any significant and unique accomplishment will require a combination of intelligence, knowledge, creativity and talent. There are thin lines between the definitions of such properties
It's the complex of different intelligences that form the backbone of any one person's learning capabilities, and their ability to synthesize information in a linear or nonlinear way to create progress.
I think i'm creative and come up with some cooked shit sometimes but also go through a dunning kruger effect cycle.
1) solve something - get confident
2) question confidence as being stupid - lower confidence.
3) go to 1)