It’s interesting you talk about age and Insomnia. I was at the club last night, a first for me, and there were a lot (and I mean a lot) of very attractive 20 somethings. The men were all farangs and the ages ranged from mid-20s to retirees with the usual physical attributes associated with that particular age. The not so shy retirees were dancing and flirting with some these hotties and I’m sure, if the price was right for both parties, the retiree would be a very happy one the next morning. I’ve learned so much from your excellent streetsmart videos, Daz, but there is one maxim that holds true above all in Pattaya and that is “Money is number 1” as I am learning to appreciate at the end of every day that I spend here in Pattaya. Every girl has a price that she sets based on her own criteria and circumstances. The question rests on whether you are ready to pay that price. Another great video. Thank you Daz.
I opened a Bangkok bank account last year. I just went to an agent ,he only wanted my passport and info on my hotel and I just gave him my hotel keycard. He charged me 3900 baht. He sent me to a Bangkok bank with a small slip. 30 minutes later I had my bank book and card, also out of that 3900 they put 500 baht in my account, which was displayed in my bank book 🎉
thats a great deal from an agent i paid the same about 6 years back and cheaper than the 5000 baht insurance the same bank wanted when i enquired, also it is very difficult to open an account if on a visa exemption which i was, cheers
I too am too old for Walking Street Night Clubs. Now, my Night Clubs are up on 3rd Road between Central Road and North Road. Live Thai Music is now my type of Night Club! Highly Recommended (it is better if you bring a date)
Thanks Daz you always touch on topics I am interested in as I likely apply for retirement VISA next year. As far as cheap (but delicious) eats go I can also recommend Buakhao market right across street from Witherspoons. Tons of options (not just Thai) for no more than 60 - 140 baht. The food court adjacent to Treetown is also decent
If you open a Bank acc with Bangkok bank be sure to keep the Thai number you registered with the app topped up or validated until you return to Thailand after going home, you need it for sms two-factor authentication for some functions on the app.
Wow nice to hear the visas are gonna lighten up people on a low pension like myself I got driven out lived in Cambodia for half the price coming back for a visit and only 30 days because it was too much of a hassle to get the 60 day in advance I prefer Thailand Cambodia is half the price for cost of living
I've been to a few of the nightclubs on walking street and I'm only 52 Years old. And have had a blast and had no trouble Picking up the younger Crowd, if you know what I mean
The airplane located between Soi 5 and Soi 6 on 2nd Road has some excellent food choices at extremely bargain prices. 200 Baht for a good sized whole chicken. It also has the added benefit of many of our lovely Soi 6 ladies who visit every night to keep their energy levels high :) 2nd Road has become many tourists go to spot for cheaper drinks and food. Many new restaurants and bars are now open. It's pretty much name your price as far as company goes and BF are around the 400 baht range. Don't need to go all the way to Jomtein to enjoy the low season :)
To be honest I always look at the street food stalls and yes you can watch it being cooked but how long has that food been sat on those stalls in 30°c heat before you ask for it to be cooked?
its not only the extension of visa exemption 30 to 60, but they are going to add many more countries who will qualify for it, like india for example who at the moment can only get a visa on arrival, (the tax id number would that not be your national insurance number in the uk)
Hello hello and thanks for the updates. I"m visiting with my bro later this year, I'm trying to decide if we should get separate hotel rooms or just one room?
For the visa exemption, the new rule is the first 60 days can be extended by another 60 days for 1900baht, 120 days total. The current (prepaid) tourist visa is 60 days, extendable 30 days, not sure if it will change.
They will have to approve these visa changes soon if the worlds economy keeps going like it is. Thailand A lot of people are going to pass on Thailand if they have to continue to jump through hoops, paying income tax on top of paying through the nose for your trip.
Recently spent 2 nites in Viper Bar, very good, drinks cheaper then LK Metro, girls very nice, esp a girl called "WAY" had lots of fun, highly recommend it, and across the road a couple of good bars esp the one at the back that has a number of pool tables.
The stall renter said that price was for 2 months, go back and listen. But still a crazy price. Most of those stalls are 200-300 baht a day rental all over Thailand
No, I double checked with 2 other stall holders and they both said, the reason the rent is so high is because they only rent by the DAY, and it's 500 b a day + elec That explains it.
Hey daz, you said nightclubs are good value? It’s about 200THB for a bottle of Leo in nightclubs that’s not good value 🤣 I prefer 70THB for Leo in the bars. Also I think you should check kasikorn bank to open a bank account as I think they’re not so stringent on documentation, I might be wrong though. Take care
@@everythingPattaya Okay, I know the area well. I'm coming to Pattaya for medical work. Been going to Soi 4 International Hospital for years. Keep up the great work. Your videos are a wealth of information.
So if you stay 4 months you can not open a bank account. I would rent a condo. Not for 1 year if I only stay 4 months. But it's great to have a Thai bankcard for the ATM. And I can use Wise to transfer money for the time I'm in Thailand.
There is nothing stopping you from taking a 1 year room rent in a VERY cheap hotel, get an official signed contract and that will do the job. Once you have the account, just cancel the contract and forfeit the small deposit.
You need to show a rental contract for a year, it could be for a very cheap room, which you could cancel after you have the account, and you forfeit the deposit, maybe just 5K baht, probably worth it.
It seems to me like trying to get around Aintree on a donkey in thailand now as I just walked into the Krungthai bank when they had a branch on beach rd back in 1991and i sat down gave them minimal info plus 100 baht and I had a bank account it's not cool anymore we could keep doing border runs too down to Georgetown every 4 months without restrictions.
I was in pattaya in April and May and I found runway to be a tad expensive and not quite delicious. If seafood is appealing, the buffet is good value, one on 3rd road is 500 baht for all you can eat live seafood. Prawns, crab, oyster etc. I can't eat any street food other than the bbq meats. I don't like som tham etc. I like discovering obscure little restaurants where the chicken fried rice is about 50 baht. Great restaurant opposite the Bamboo bar near Walking street. Quality.
Hi Daz I'm thinking about retiring to Thailand in a couple of years. I don't drive. Also being from UK I don't have a I.D card. Would this cause any problems opening a bank account.???
Do you have a video on the different ways of transferring money with the different tradeoffs? I have been in Thailand a couple of times and used ATMs but the fees are ridiculous. But I am not sure how to compare to alternatives.
Charles Schwab waives all fees for customers. Bank of America waives fees for those who qualify for platinum honors level (at least 1 million is assets for BoA/Merrill). Wise is a really handy service too.
Apart from a passport number and NI code, anyone from the UK will have a personal taxpayer reference. A TIN number is so you can be taxed on Thailand. You never lose them, unless you are non-resident for 3 years (to escape capital gains tax) and 20 years (to escape inheritance tax). Further rules apply for UK pension and NHS rights. Talk to an adviser.
Is there a way for US passport and Korean passport holders to get a visa to stay continuously for 6 months? What visa service is the best? Would like visa to coincide with 6 month rental in Pattaya
You can rent a condo for 5000 Baht wow!!!!!! That just way to much for a very small market stall Please can you show each time you walk pass a currency shop as the rate keeps changing, would be a great help to us all… Thank you in advance
It’s crazy. They change the visa rules as often and fast as the wind changes direction! They just can’t make up their minds! So if this latest change goes through from 30 days to 60 days then that will help. At least until the change it back again in a few months! 😵💫😵💫😵💫
That’s just human greed what they are charging for those small tents! Ridiculous. I thought maybe 5000-10000 baht. At the most! I CC wish them all well at their business! 🙏
There is nothing stopping you from taking a 1 year room rent in a VERY cheap hotel, get an official signed contract and that will do the job. Once you have the account, just cancel the contract and forfeit the small deposit.
The problem is that in order to cover the expense of rent the price of products go right up for the consumer and the type of consumer in Pattaya these days, don't like spending money so these little businesses are heading for struggles.
Yes, GC are quite cheap, you get what you pay for in Pattaya. However, if you want to see and meet the really attractive ladies, you have to go to the Agogos on Walking Street that you criticized. In the XS Agogo, for example. There are hordes of Asian customers there every night, not because they are stupid, but because they want to see and experience THE BEST.
@@everythingPattaya I tried to barfine a tiny stunner from Pinups a few nights ago. Mamma said 2k bf and 10,500 LT. I politely declined. We're getting into American price territory. LOL
@@daveyjones1015 wow! 10,500?!?!? That is the highest price I think I have ever heard! Then again that is LT not ST, and the agogos and many of the ladies who work there much prefer ST to LT so will quote outrageous price for LT. Wonder what the ST price was? I got quoted around 6.5k for ST for a similar stunner at Pinups which is still really high
Hi Daz. I've been watching your videos for years (yes, years), and your info is always impeccable. However, for video quality, I don't know what happened, as this was the worst I've seen from you. Volume was up and down constantly. Every closeup under lighting was overexposed and almost invisible. Walking or moving the camera produced totally out of focus shots. I know you can do better.
Who ? the lady saying how much the market units were ? If that's what you mean, I thought the same, so I double and then triple checked, and the figures are correct, BECAUSE, they are not rented by the month, only by the DAY at 500 baht + elec at 9 baht a unit, so you work it out and you will see that it is very close to what she said.
It’s interesting you talk about age and Insomnia. I was at the club last night, a first for me, and there were a lot (and I mean a lot) of very attractive 20 somethings. The men were all farangs and the ages ranged from mid-20s to retirees with the usual physical attributes associated with that particular age. The not so shy retirees were dancing and flirting with some these hotties and I’m sure, if the price was right for both parties, the retiree would be a very happy one the next morning. I’ve learned so much from your excellent streetsmart videos, Daz, but there is one maxim that holds true above all in Pattaya and that is “Money is number 1” as I am learning to appreciate at the end of every day that I spend here in Pattaya. Every girl has a price that she sets based on her own criteria and circumstances. The question rests on whether you are ready to pay that price.
Another great video. Thank you Daz.
Correct
What club?
I don't know how retirees could stand the incredible music volume in there without some hearty ear protection
I opened a Bangkok bank account last year. I just went to an agent ,he only wanted my passport and info on my hotel and I just gave him my hotel keycard. He charged me 3900 baht. He sent me to a Bangkok bank with a small slip. 30 minutes later I had my bank book and card, also out of that 3900 they put 500 baht in my account, which was displayed in my bank book 🎉
Yes, using an agent is easy, but it cost you 3400 baht
What agent
@@tonto3964 One Stop Visa on Soi 6 and Beach Road can set you up with a Bangkok Bank account . Excellent staff and long time owner are top rate.
@@tonto3964 CAMBODIA INTER TOUR
& TRAVEL, it’s in Pattaya
thats a great deal from an agent i paid the same about 6 years back and cheaper than the 5000 baht insurance the same bank wanted when i enquired, also it is very difficult to open an account if on a visa exemption which i was, cheers
Excellent video i like that you keep updating the new stuff going on around Pattaya. In general are any bars or gents clubs non smoking?
Another fantastic video as always daz. You provide the best advice and information. Compulsive watching always for me
I too am too old for Walking Street Night Clubs.
Now, my Night Clubs are up on 3rd Road between Central Road and North Road.
Live Thai Music is now my type of Night Club!
Highly Recommended (it is better if you bring a date)
Thanks Daz you always touch on topics I am interested in as I likely apply for retirement VISA next year. As far as cheap (but delicious) eats go I can also recommend Buakhao market right across street from Witherspoons. Tons of options (not just Thai) for no more than 60 - 140 baht. The food court adjacent to Treetown is also decent
If you open a Bank acc with Bangkok bank be sure to keep the Thai number you registered with the app topped up or validated until you return to Thailand after going home, you need it for sms two-factor authentication for some functions on the app.
Fantastic information about the 60 exemption rule plus the info on opening a bank account cheers daz
Wow nice to hear the visas are gonna lighten up people on a low pension like myself I got driven out lived in Cambodia for half the price coming back for a visit and only 30 days because it was too much of a hassle to get the 60 day in advance I prefer Thailand Cambodia is half the price for cost of living
Good video thanks for the updates I am retiring and moving to Thailand Pattaya next year
Thanks for all the Visa and new rules updates for Thailand. All good news, Thank Daz
I've been to a few of the nightclubs on walking street and I'm only 52 Years old.
And have had a blast and had no trouble Picking up the younger Crowd, if you know what I mean
Do you mean banging them?
Tweaks to retirement visas to be announced in September too, wonder what. If only in time they change the 90 day reporting to say 180d
That would make sense.
Would you be anle to extend another 30 days with the new 60 day visa exempt?
Thanks Daz great info as usual
The airplane located between Soi 5 and Soi 6 on 2nd Road has some excellent food choices at extremely bargain prices. 200 Baht for a good sized whole chicken. It also has the added benefit of many of our lovely Soi 6 ladies who visit every night to keep their energy levels high :)
2nd Road has become many tourists go to spot for cheaper drinks and food. Many new restaurants and bars are now open. It's pretty much name your price as far as company goes and BF are around the 400 baht range. Don't need to go all the way to Jomtein to enjoy the low season :)
To be honest I always look at the street food stalls and yes you can watch it being cooked but how long has that food been sat on those stalls in 30°c heat before you ask for it to be cooked?
Another great video by Daz the Pattaya Guru. 😅
its not only the extension of visa exemption 30 to 60, but they are going to add many more countries who will qualify for it, like india for example who at the moment can only get a visa on arrival, (the tax id number would that not be your national insurance number in the uk)
another great video thanks daz i will be back at the end of this year can't wait
Do they clip you to transfer money ? Also are there any taxes in Thailand …just curious as I have not heard of any. Thanks Again for the info 😁👍
Good updates regarding 30 day plus 👍🏻👍🏻 I will eventually get a Thai bank account.
Always with the good info, thx Daz
Hello hello and thanks for the updates. I"m visiting with my bro later this year, I'm trying to decide if we should get separate hotel rooms or just one room?
Ha Ha are you crazy ???? 2 rooms, of course !!!!
If the 60 days visa gets approved, can we still get 30 days extension, so it be 90 days
60 days would be a large improvement 90 days would be perfect I like to chill during the winter months before heading back to the U.S.
For the visa exemption, the new rule is the first 60 days can be extended by another 60 days for 1900baht, 120 days total. The current (prepaid) tourist visa is 60 days, extendable 30 days, not sure if it will change.
They will have to approve these visa changes soon if the worlds economy keeps going like it is. Thailand A lot of people are going to pass on Thailand if they have to continue to jump through hoops, paying income tax on top of paying through the nose for your trip.
Recently spent 2 nites in Viper Bar, very good, drinks cheaper then LK Metro, girls very nice, esp a girl called "WAY" had lots of fun, highly recommend it, and across the road a couple of good bars esp the one at the back that has a number of pool tables.
The stall renter said that price was for 2 months, go back and listen. But still a crazy price. Most of those stalls are 200-300 baht a day rental all over Thailand
No, I double checked with 2 other stall holders and they both said, the reason the rent is so high is because they only rent by the DAY, and it's 500 b a day + elec
That explains it.
Hey daz, you said nightclubs are good value? It’s about 200THB for a bottle of Leo in nightclubs that’s not good value 🤣 I prefer 70THB for Leo in the bars. Also I think you should check kasikorn bank to open a bank account as I think they’re not so stringent on documentation, I might be wrong though. Take care
More for drinks less for women
One thing you can always count on the Thai Govt and that is things change monthly.
What location is the Airplane & Market? Are all these located on 2nd Road? Great video as always.
The 747 mkt is right next to Soi 6 between Beach and 2nd road.
@@everythingPattaya Okay, I know the area well. I'm coming to Pattaya for medical work. Been going to Soi 4 International Hospital for years. Keep up the great work. Your videos are a wealth of information.
My only problem with the Viper Bar and sadly a lot of the places out there, you get maybe 1 looker in 15-20.
Awesome content! 👍👏🏻🙏❤️😎
In October 2022, in a branch of Bangkok bank a large group of Chinese tourists opened accounts with easy.
The Thai guide was doing good "business"
Thanks for the video, Phil
So if you stay 4 months you can not open a bank account. I would rent a condo. Not for 1 year if I only stay 4 months. But it's great to have a Thai bankcard for the ATM. And I can use Wise to transfer money for the time I'm in Thailand.
There is nothing stopping you from taking a 1 year room rent in a VERY cheap hotel, get an official signed contract and that will do the job. Once you have the account, just cancel the contract and forfeit the small deposit.
Daz, that 12 month rental contract was very concerning! You need to elaborate on that more please.
You need to show a rental contract for a year, it could be for a very cheap room, which you could cancel after you have the account, and you forfeit the deposit, maybe just 5K baht, probably worth it.
Are there problems bringing girls back to your rented condo, ie at Amazon, Riveria Jomtien, etc? Thanks
Never
@@CheekyMonkey007 Thanks
The rent for business in Pattaya is crazy, impossible for people to make a okay business
It seems to me like trying to get around Aintree on a donkey in thailand now as I just walked into the Krungthai bank when they had a branch on beach rd back in 1991and i sat down gave them minimal info plus 100 baht and I had a bank account it's not cool anymore we could keep doing border runs too down to Georgetown every 4 months without restrictions.
I was in pattaya in April and May and I found runway to be a tad expensive and not quite delicious. If seafood is appealing, the buffet is good value, one on 3rd road is 500 baht for all you can eat live seafood. Prawns, crab, oyster etc. I can't eat any street food other than the bbq meats. I don't like som tham etc. I like discovering obscure little restaurants where the chicken fried rice is about 50 baht. Great restaurant opposite the Bamboo bar near Walking street. Quality.
Another good informative video Daz, cheers. I'm retired, and in Jomtienthip Condo soi 7. hope to meet ya some day for a beer
Good luck recognising the mystery man 😅
Why does Thailand announce it then wait a month or more to implement it?
Hi Daz I'm thinking about retiring to Thailand in a couple of years. I don't drive. Also being from UK I don't have a I.D card. Would this cause any problems opening a bank account.???
Key Visa can make you an ID card using your passport, for 150 baht, that would do
Do you have a video on the different ways of transferring money with the different tradeoffs? I have been in Thailand a couple of times and used ATMs but the fees are ridiculous. But I am not sure how to compare to alternatives.
Try the company called WISE
Charles Schwab waives all fees for customers. Bank of America waives fees for those who qualify for platinum honors level (at least 1 million is assets for BoA/Merrill). Wise is a really handy service too.
First thing I want to do when I get to Pattaya is find a good hairdresser 😅.
Sunee design and barbershop
What visa agent do you recommend?
Key Visa
www.keyvisathailand.com/
Apart from a passport number and NI code, anyone from the UK will have a personal taxpayer reference. A TIN number is so you can be taxed on Thailand. You never lose them, unless you are non-resident for 3 years (to escape capital gains tax) and 20 years (to escape inheritance tax). Further rules apply for UK pension and NHS rights. Talk to an adviser.
Where exactly is the Pattaya Beach Market? Looks good.
200 meters south of Soi 6
@@CheekyMonkey007 Thanks 😊
Hi looks amazing. Can you tell me the best place in Pattaya to cash in my English £50 notes
The yellow exchange kiosks called TT
Is there a way for US passport and Korean passport holders to get a visa to stay continuously for 6 months? What visa service is the best? Would like visa to coincide with 6 month rental in Pattaya
You need to speak to Key Visa
www.keyvisathailand.com/
Night clubs are good for getting far price company but ridiculous drink prices.
You can rent a condo for 5000 Baht wow!!!!!! That just way to much for a very small market stall
Please can you show each time you walk pass a currency shop as the rate keeps changing, would be a great help to us all… Thank you in advance
Very nice 🎉
Residents certificate now are normally only valid for 30 days I hear
True. You have to use it in that time. You can only use it once. It is kept by the authorities.
@@1990-t1j ah ok I thought before was one year
It’s crazy. They change the visa rules as often and fast as the wind changes direction!
They just can’t make up their minds! So if this latest change goes through from 30 days to 60 days then that will help. At least until the change it back again in a few months! 😵💫😵💫😵💫
I thought they allowed 180 day visas starting June 1st 2024 ?
You are talking about the new Digital Nomad visa, with many requirements.
That’s just human greed what they are charging for those small tents! Ridiculous. I thought maybe 5000-10000 baht. At the most! I CC wish them all well at their business! 🙏
The reason it's so high is because they only charge by the day and each day is 500 baht + elec.
The new proposed Tax Laws for people staying more than 180 days is very concerning
so really just having 60 days does not mean you can have a bank account, if you need to show 1 years residential contract
There is nothing stopping you from taking a 1 year room rent in a VERY cheap hotel, get an official signed contract and that will do the job. Once you have the account, just cancel the contract and forfeit the small deposit.
How do you show a residence permit on a tourist visa?
You book a small room for 1 year and pay a deposit, and get a receipt then take that to Immigration etc
Any idea when Maggie Mays Darkside will open?
Hi Season, about October i believe
i needed none of what Bangkok Bank is asking for to open a bank account at Kasikorn about 15 years ago.
All I needed was a work permit at Kasikorn a while back.....but that was then....now might be different.
I'm going in october, can I go and get 60 days + 30 day extension and then do a border hop and repeat it for a total of 180 days?
Maybe, you have to wait and see
@@everythingPattayaWhen will this info be revealed? Has it been announced when it will become official? I’ll be coming in December.
i think the stalls to Rent Lady got her decimal point incorrect
No, I double checked, it's 500 baht a day + elec at 9 b a unit.
Holy mackerel......!!.....the cost is huge.....you gotta sell a bunch of stuff to make it pay. The rich get richer......
The problem is that in order to cover the expense of rent the price of products go right up for the consumer and the type of consumer in Pattaya these days, don't like spending money so these little businesses are heading for struggles.
@@allandudson9684 very true.
@@allandudson9684 You are not Chinese or Korean I take it!?
@@Ay_Ole No actually... I'm English... we love spending money when we get a fair deal but we hate being ripped off.
Hola Señor Daz!
🍀Please 🙏anybody let me or us know when the 60-day Visa on arrival approves🏝 I'm waiting to buy my ticket for that 🤔 important🎀 thank you🇺🇸
Not yet, I'll tell you guys as soon as I find out for sure.
@@everythingPattaya okay thank you 🙏very much once again for all your important🎀
p a t t a y a everything
🍀P A T T A Y A 🏝 information
Can you please send me a link to join your patreon?
Look below the video, click " more " then click the Patreon link
As below
www.patreon.com/user?u=82177843&fan_landing=true&view_as=public
These New Visa Rules are The Same Old Visa Rules of the 90s....
What the hell is that on the grill at 10.35??
Alligator or croc
One negative change that Thailand enacted is a VAT tax on Lazada purchases. Talk about stupid.
Only purchases from outside of Thailand....a lot of countries have adopted this policy
Yes, GC are quite cheap, you get what you pay for in Pattaya. However, if you want to see and meet the really attractive ladies, you have to go to the Agogos on Walking Street that you criticized. In the XS Agogo, for example. There are hordes of Asian customers there every night, not because they are stupid, but because they want to see and experience THE BEST.
Ha Ha have you seen the PRICES !!!!!
@@everythingPattaya Yes. I have been there yesterday. With my Thai girlfriend! Only paid 370 baht including ONE ladydrink.😀
@@everythingPattaya I tried to barfine a tiny stunner from Pinups a few nights ago. Mamma said 2k bf and 10,500 LT. I politely declined. We're getting into American price territory. LOL
@@ingwisingwis8336barfine 😉
@@daveyjones1015 wow! 10,500?!?!? That is the highest price I think I have ever heard! Then again that is LT not ST, and the agogos and many of the ladies who work there much prefer ST to LT so will quote outrageous price for LT. Wonder what the ST price was? I got quoted around 6.5k for ST for a similar stunner at Pinups which is still really high
Hi Daz. I've been watching your videos for years (yes, years), and your info is always impeccable. However, for video quality, I don't know what happened, as this was the worst I've seen from you. Volume was up and down constantly. Every closeup under lighting was overexposed and almost invisible. Walking or moving the camera produced totally out of focus shots. I know you can do better.
I booked a flight to Bangkok on 29 th June on the basis of getting this 60 day visa but now it turns out it was just bullshit!
As I said, it will probably be the end of June or July, wait and see.
If you are worried, just get e 60 day e-visa now.
Big prices for those units , it’ll continue to be quiet 🤫 I guess
They sure make it hard for vendors , crazy .
That TIN is concerning.....
That place looks empty mate.
It just opened, and it's the low season. However, if things don't pickup by year's end, then it might become an empty lot once again.
I am singol
60 days for 93 countries 👎🏻
I don’t believe thy Daz she is lying to put you off Daz not true I am surprised with your knowledge you believe that
Who ? the lady saying how much the market units were ?
If that's what you mean, I thought the same, so I double and then triple checked, and the figures are correct, BECAUSE, they are not rented by the month, only by the DAY at 500 baht + elec at 9 baht a unit, so you work it out and you will see that it is very close to what she said.
@@everythingPattaya wow I am surprised 😦 but obviously there making money so it’s worth there while