Why Junglers are SO TOXIC, The Broken SoloQ Ladder, & MUCH MORE! Ft.

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  • @bereruter0
    @bereruter0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    as a jungler you are expected to be able to be at any lane at a moments notice, take all objectives, not only know where the enemy jungler is but also be shadowing them to counter gank them at all times and you also must be strong enough to 1v9.

    • @blueridgeorc
      @blueridgeorc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      And you have to stroke the laners egos, spoon feed them kills, and give them all your camps....

    • @rsmith8113
      @rsmith8113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@blueridgeorc And be 2 lvls above the enemies from 00:00

    • @dovahsenbrom836
      @dovahsenbrom836 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      generally all you gotta do is gank and take objectives and you're fine. usually jungler doesn't do that. or comes to lane just to tax. or ganks when a 18-creep wave crashes instead of waiting 20 seconds. or fucks up the lane state after cleaning up. or pings he's going in and then starts golems

    • @blueridgeorc
      @blueridgeorc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Dovahsenbrom except i just ganked bot and killed support. Enemy jg is top. Enemy mid just backed. Im a jg that doesnt solo drag well and im level 5. Im spam pinging assist and only our support makes moves to help. Mod and adc are afk last hitting minions oblivious to the ping dropped on their head. What happens more often now is jg mid and support on enemy team path together straight to drag and i have to give or our team will decide to trickle in one at a time and feed. AlL YoU HaVE tO dO iS GAnK anD TakE ObjecTIVes

    • @dovahsenbrom836
      @dovahsenbrom836 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blueridgeorc I've done that as adc, to get lane prio before drake. It's basic macro mechanics. I'd by th tim I get there (6cs) t is already.done why bother even going lmao

  • @davidnymann6938
    @davidnymann6938 3 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    The problem with this game at its core Is that it's a TEAM game where every team you ever get is 4 people who just see you as competition for gold/kills.

    • @scrawntastic2833
      @scrawntastic2833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Truth

    • @thepiperpie
      @thepiperpie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      been saying that for years, it is a team game that glorifies the individual

    • @queenbrightwingthe3890
      @queenbrightwingthe3890 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      All people should just uninstall this trash game really. Game is filled with mental dumb humans who shit on you. LOL is not a team game but a game that cater to individual glorified trash players that will blame you for kill stealing or taking his gold.

    • @GenericNameWasTaken
      @GenericNameWasTaken 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@queenbrightwingthe3890 .... You're dangerously close to sounding like the problem here bud, take a chill pill

    • @johnryan3622
      @johnryan3622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Every team sport is a team game that glorifies individuals. You think each player on a b-ball court isn’t competition for personal score? You don’t think the scoring positions on a football team don’t get more attention? This perspective is fundamentally flawed. It’s wrong. I can’t help but think every person who views the game this way have just been tunneled on this or some other game, and either have never played sports or it’s been so long since they have that they don’t remember (or weren’t very good or invested).
      The problem isn’t that the game “glorifies individuals” or creates a situation where your teammates are hurdles or competition. It’s that your teammates are strangers who you’ve never met, who you’ll likely never see again. You don’t know how they play, you don’t have the built-in patience, or group morale that comes with a team of people you know. And let’s be honest: gamers are a lot of whiny, entitled show-boats. A bunch of us simply don’t have a strong enough mental game to actually play a team sport (maybe a bunch of them never did when they were younger?). The game is only a small part of the problem.
      And you can look at the massive failure of HotS to see why “fixing” the problems you mentioned don’t actually make anything better. It was filled with people who were crap at moba, still thought they were god, and was on track to be just as toxic.
      The problem isn’t the game, it’s the random teammates and poor mental game of players. If you only ever played with 4 other good friends, you’d IMMEDIATELY see the difference. You don’t let frustration out as much, people are more likely to take blame even when it isn’t their fault, and you actually try to work together for the game, not for your own score.

  • @DnDandVideoGames
    @DnDandVideoGames 3 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    The guy who was bronze in Challenger was HotshotGG. He dodged all his advancement games.

    • @bojanbilic1959
      @bojanbilic1959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Account named BronzieTheBear

    • @redsnow5766
      @redsnow5766 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They are removing promos i believe. At least on the mobile version.

    • @asdf0747
      @asdf0747 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      now i remember it. was still viewed as a crazy idea back then due to how long it would take for you to wait after dodging.... now its even mroe impossible lol

    • @Windw00d
      @Windw00d 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Saint Vicious also got placed in like Gold/Silver after his placement games. He proceeded to buy triple stack items every game (Leviathan, Sword of the Occult and Mejias).

    • @kennethschefer7007
      @kennethschefer7007 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, I remember matching against him in beta. I'm returning to the game after 10 years and that name was such a throwback

  • @nicetry9691
    @nicetry9691 3 ปีที่แล้ว +344

    theyre toxic bcoz everyone's always blaming them for everything XD

    • @walkelftexasranger
      @walkelftexasranger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Most of time I don't flame anybody ,especially not Junglers ,but holy shit...When my Jungler comes to my lane (Top) for gang (even when I am pinging him to go away) -> makes shit gang -> blame me for not helping -> and then completly ruins my minion wave/die to enemy Top laner then I am TILTED AS FUCK.
      Some Junglers instead of crying about laners should switch roles and go play as solo laner to see ,how shit it feels to have minion wave ruined.

    • @demon5965
      @demon5965 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@walkelftexasranger I agree with you there but there are many toplaners who solo die top then blame me for being bot and doing dragon

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@demon5965 would be nice if thats the only thing you would get blamed for as a jgl
      laners are so braindead they expect you to play their lane for them. i can get every objective snowball mid and bot but the enemy jgl ganks top twice my laners dies and instead of realising oh my team is hard winning im not the one who is carrying the game lets not make it needlessly hard for them by trying risky stuff to bring me back. they just hard feed top and jgl so hard that these 2 lanes just 2v5 and its lost.
      and somehow its allways the fcking top lane. laners just cant accept that sometimes they simply arent the wincondition and do everything possible to be the wincon resulting in having 2 players on the enemy team so fed that the rest of the team that did pretty well cant handle them.

    • @SportySpice2004
      @SportySpice2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@walkelftexasranger had a guy tell me not to gank him and he died 4 times in 6 min 🤪 top laners have no brain cells

    • @walkelftexasranger
      @walkelftexasranger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@demon5965 I totally agree with that.
      Also thanks to these kind of players I've got my 1st ban ever many seasons ago - Because I was flaming them ,for flaming their teammates xD

  • @manuakasam
    @manuakasam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Support Main here that's stuck in Gold
    "Good ADCs are the ones that don't die when their Support is roaming"... my heart is crying tears of joy hearing this.

  • @zalannuts9264
    @zalannuts9264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I like Chase a lot bc he's not even so good bc of his shaco skills, don't get me wrong he's so good at him, but he just understands his role and the game so well that he always knows the highest priorities

    • @meidanrrustemi8322
      @meidanrrustemi8322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thats why I love Vakin

    • @asdf0747
      @asdf0747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i love him because he always picks assassins and playstyle is similar to mine. i just need to be better

  • @JonLi90
    @JonLi90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Loving the interview series. Different perspective from every single person. Keep this series going please!

  • @dramaticstyle9431
    @dramaticstyle9431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Me as a jungler: *CLEARLY DOING DRAGON*
    *Top Lane Dies*
    Me: *GETS ? MARK PING*

    • @Sithisine
      @Sithisine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      /all ff15 jungle diff

    • @vrtdubber
      @vrtdubber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      every time i do dragon :'(

    • @ImPlgeon
      @ImPlgeon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ya know that is why I quit jg cause I was at bot got a quad then top got mad at me?!?!? Like what, and when they invade early my team acts like it doesnt matter then complains when im still in jg to catch up

    • @johnryan3622
      @johnryan3622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Didn’t you get the memo? Your job as a jungler is to protect your toxic laners from the opposing jungler. How could they possibly keep track of the opposing jungle? You’re responsible for their poor positioning and timing in lane. You should be there to protect them when they overextend and greed out. Come on man, learn your role!

    • @augustusmaximus11
      @augustusmaximus11 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you get dragon , worth

  • @23Liiis
    @23Liiis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I just want u to know that for me the desport conversation was important, so I do think the same as you, these type of conversation besides the ones "what u think about dodging" are what makes this podcast great !
    Love your content !
    Keep doing what u doing !

  • @herpderp66
    @herpderp66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The rule I live by to decide if I will win a game is this: You can carry 1 bad player, maybe 2, but never 3.

    • @brunoboldt6336
      @brunoboldt6336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you can carry bad players, but not toxic ones that makes anything possible to lose.

  • @lol_sergiu
    @lol_sergiu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "But he FLASHED!" the definition of playing a sidelaner lmfao

  • @studxmuffin5641
    @studxmuffin5641 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Me: "oh yeah body awareness like when I wrestled"
    Chase: "And then wrestling is just its own beast"

  • @efdavis
    @efdavis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    riot is actually on another level of toxic cause even when i get 4 nourished gents i cant even honour them all...

  • @Emillo999
    @Emillo999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Soooo…Shaco was finally picked today in LPL (after 7 years) and won convincingly :P we gonna talk about that? 😬

    • @mandrews93
      @mandrews93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kanaviiiiiiii

  • @richpete
    @richpete 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've just started playing again after a few years. I've always jungled but man nothing has changed.
    I can't believe how many times I've pinged for help with Herald and get nothing even with prio, but as soon as they get killed with 0 wards and pushed up to the enemy tower it's my fault.

  • @ImadZeryouh
    @ImadZeryouh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dodging works because as a gamer who has 20+ year experience. I can see right away in chat lobby if I am with winners or losers.

  • @Clayray94
    @Clayray94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As an ADC main I actually really enjoyed the rant about ADC's. The thing they were talking about that they wished more of us did is the thing I feel like I've really been working on this last year. Every ADC knows what to do when they get fed or a lead but it's much harder sometimes knowing what to do when you are behind or someone else is fed. It takes time and patience to learn but the roast about bad ADC's was awesome haha.

  • @lachlanoneil8938
    @lachlanoneil8938 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've ranked up from silver to gold just from running everyday for a few weeks it helps so much and I just feel much faster to react

  • @chillbro2275
    @chillbro2275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've heard of ChaseShaco for years, but this was my first time hearing him personally, and seeing his game play. It was nice to meet. And his plays were cool, i can see the skill it takes to play Shaco now.

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      shaco doesnt need skill. shaco just needs to press q. shaco needing skill would be just like saying yi akali or kata need skill.
      they simply dont

    • @ryoseiru6906
      @ryoseiru6906 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sgxbot LOL this dude mad asf

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ryoseiru6906 no its experience. With shaco you cant die with kata your laning phase doesnt matter just press r for penta and akali just executes everybody even when 0/8

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Phauhk Yohre Mowhter • lol no i was the kid that thought faze is overhyped

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Phauhk Yohre Mowhter • lol whatever you think kiddo. Just because you have to hard defend skillless champs because you cant handle it.

  • @aliabdullkarim8618
    @aliabdullkarim8618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Here are some reasons i can present off the top.
    1) pinging lanes when enemy jungler is about to gank and they still overextend.
    2) pining gank/actually ganking and the laners does not help.
    3) Whole enemy team help the enemy jungler drake, yet no one on my team help me drake.
    4) inting and letting the enemy laner invade my jungle and steal my farm (top lane)
    5) Enemy jungler invading alone (early game) and my laners stand and watch me fight him to death
    i advice every laner to play as a jungle for 2 days, you need to realize how complicated this shit is and why i cant gank you when you spam ping me. At the end of the day, it all comes around not inting, thats my wish and every other junglers wish. Dont int, and make it gankable for us whenever you have a chance. Junglers can survive an invade (in my elo Bronze) but when the enemy team is fed, there isnt a lot we can do.

  • @nebiros_at9473
    @nebiros_at9473 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I remember back in season 2-ish time trying to walk a friend through Jungling against Amumu as Eve. Same thing, it never occurred to him to just stop him at Blue and he's gone for the rest of the game unless a lane lets him tax the hell out of it.

  • @DragonPrinceHaku
    @DragonPrinceHaku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That gap talk is so true, there are so many gaps in matchmaking its stressful.

  • @LIssandraSimp
    @LIssandraSimp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Finally I've been begging for a video with chase for months!!!

  • @crunky8204
    @crunky8204 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:30 exact this same thing. tracking the enemy jungler and giving heads up to your laners and them not taking it into account happens absolutely every game

  • @rudyweirich2815
    @rudyweirich2815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I whole heartily agree with, you can't always be the hero and it's ok to be carried some games.
    I hope more ppl take this to heart. Its a tough habit to break because its one your not even aware of. Great conversation 👌

  • @mattinykanen634
    @mattinykanen634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These talks breath "fresh" air to league. Keep up the great work :)

  • @damnbruh6246
    @damnbruh6246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Let’s goooo finally

  • @austinlizarraga4165
    @austinlizarraga4165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    " 'He flashed' you shoulda been 4 screens away brother!" Just gets me

  • @evanthegreatgamer4956
    @evanthegreatgamer4956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i quit jng and became a support main because i was sick of no vision and my team blaming me for losing drag when 2 min earlier i was 3v1ed in river with no missing pings or vision on rive

  • @percussie2880
    @percussie2880 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:48 That was HotShotGG on "BronzieTheBear" I'll never forget. Hahaha.

  • @keithrage6748
    @keithrage6748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Riot's stats on dodging are kind of sus. They say only like 1.6% of players dodge consistently, but somehow about a THIRD of champ selects fail.

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      a third? every third game that goes through i have to do 6 champ selects while having to accept each of them 5 times because people decline all the time. and its even worse in normals. people dodge normals every single time. i regularly sit in queue and champs select for 30 mins just because people keep dodging and declining, (and i dont play troll picks or have any stats that would encourage dodging)

    • @Sithisine
      @Sithisine 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sgxbot i dont understand how hard it is to click the stupid accept button. its like riot is making it not possible to get a champ select unless youve been sitting there for 3 minutes minimum

  • @BlackenedGold
    @BlackenedGold 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "You needed to be three screens away brother"
    I chortled at that xD

  • @sighman9209
    @sighman9209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everyone loves that top laner who runs into a sidelane autistically all game regardless of what is happening trying to base race the entire bloody enemy team.

  • @downdraft8486
    @downdraft8486 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When que times in low elo are taking up to 20 mins sometimes from dodges... then yeah.. there is a dodge problem!!! In 10 years I've never seen it this bad.

  • @soysaucebananna
    @soysaucebananna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dude in gold elo I experience dodges to the point of waiting 30 minutes to play the game at times. I think it happens to me 2-3 times a week, sitting there through 4-5 lobbies because of all the dodging. It’s happening on my low elo too.

    • @chrisredfield6274
      @chrisredfield6274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah and I think a lot of it is people getting autofilled jungle and refusing to play the role because people are so abusive to junglers. Your laners will die solo and proceed to blame the entire match on you

    • @LordRegexYT
      @LordRegexYT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@chrisredfield6274 seriosly tho , jungle is a hard role. you have to catch up to alot of things . i left jungle cuz i can not keep up with everything .

  • @murphs94
    @murphs94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    imo I think the Dodge problem stems from the fact most players now have access to these Apps that shows them the stats of any person in the lobby. This can ruin the game sometimes and it can tilt people before the game even starts which makes the game feel much more toxic and I Agree with what Neace said about not showing summoner names cuz these players names just allow teammates to just Stat check everyone before the game even starts and Tilt over bad Stats or lose streaks other people have had if they got rid of this shit mentality of judging players before even getting into a match. I feel that its less likely for people to be tilted in champ select and then we can all Focus on what needs to be done in order to win the match.. ( side Note about Jungle - Show Junglers and Support players some love cuz they get shit on a lot for other peoples mistakes and its just not fair..) hope everyone has a great day cheers

    • @RoronoaJosh
      @RoronoaJosh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You say that until your teamate who is on a 10 loss streak pick Yasuo on 0 maestry and goes 0/15

    • @Elimbi1
      @Elimbi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoronoaJosh for real 😂😂😂😂 I'm not about to go into a lobby with a professional troll

  • @jeet9040
    @jeet9040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These interviews are amazing👏🏾

  • @IanLEAU
    @IanLEAU 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Also, I 100% agree with the idea that the reliance on jglers to perform well is NOT going to decide your games. I think it's lazy when laners do this and it's always the teams that have laners that take it upon themselves to create opportunities and advantages that win games.
    I think one of my favorite things in game is when that first scuttle is up, if we have prio and none of my laners even think about rotating, I can already tell what the next 30 minutes is going to look like.

    • @CptApplestrudl
      @CptApplestrudl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude, I had laners engage a fight when I merely ping "on the way" while I finish my last camp. It's like they dont even look at the map...and of course they die and it was my fault.

    • @IanLEAU
      @IanLEAU 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CptApplestrudl That's probably because laners think that pinging on the way means to go in and fight. Also, some laners are very bad at surveying the map and syncing up with their jg to perform a gank, so I tend to save my "on the way" ping until I know for sure I can gank.
      Like I would do my last camp, check the lane state of my laners and if it's suitable for a gank, I'll sweep for vision. If there is none and it's still viable, I'll ping on the way as I'm walking into lane. I feel a lot more reassured if my laner knows I've double checked the conditions are right for the gank.

    • @rangehottv7254
      @rangehottv7254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah but do you ever get counterpicked in champ select and then freeze right outside turret for 15 minutes just for the jungler to never show up (or feed top) while you're slowly being strangled out of the game?

  • @LuckyBassDCMC
    @LuckyBassDCMC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice some Shaco gameplay! But I agree with Chase 100% Getting invaded early is the bane of my existence. Ever since he has been good, my bot side raptor boxes ALWAYS get invaded on, to the point to where I don't even start there anymore. I tend to just start top side buff> enemy top side buff> enemy gromp/krugs for 3 and that messes up their clear most of the time. Very rarely do they try to steal my buff because I have mid and bot lane to come up on them. Just early invades on boxes and fucking with Shaco while he is clearing and trying to catch up, that's what usually gets me mad. The example that was given in the video that was the most triggering thing that could happen to a jungler, that's the shit that gets me mad.
    Something that I think what makes Shaco good is that everyone is toxic, and in lower elo, they make dumb plays to capitalize off of. But with AP Shaco, and being at 1/4 health makes people think they can kill you, and so you taunt the mastery, taunt with the dance, and it triggers people into making dumb flash plays on boxes, that on top of having a 30-45 sec ult to bait AOE so they can proc an instant fear with the clone and get double fear with boxes+Liandry's and then Q away with backstab E while flashing a Mastery. You can even Q in, Ult to bait moves and blow cooldowns, and if you're in any trouble have Zhonya's to be able to hold out to Q out again. It's infuriating to play against, I can only imagine, but I see the rage from the enemies all the time, and I think that's something that adds to him being good right now.

  • @manuelpowers9831
    @manuelpowers9831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Neace can you show some gameplay where you're very behind? And show what you do.

  • @MrDavidKord
    @MrDavidKord 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What would you guys think about having to earn the right to play a champion in ranked based on amount of matches played based on elo? Like, a one trick Riven who tries to queue up with something else would have to play a certain number of games on that account with a champion in normals in order to enter it into a ranked game.

    • @vrtdubber
      @vrtdubber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      YES. PLEASE. Or even have it so you have to have a certain win rate on a champion in norms to get into ranked, if you fall below it in ranked you have to grind norms again.

    • @MrDavidKord
      @MrDavidKord 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vrtdubber Well then like my comment homie

    • @vrtdubber
      @vrtdubber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrDavidKord lmao mb

  • @kristofferplatz2711
    @kristofferplatz2711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ive been waiting so long for Chase be on here, so glad it happend

    • @leitm3912
      @leitm3912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shaco has always been one of the most fun champs to play in my opinion. I really miss the AD ratios on his e so I wouldn't be constantly flamed for "trolling" when I build him as an AD assassin. Chase is one of the only streamers I actually followed and watched for a while so it was nice to hear some of his views on league as a whole and not just the champ.

  • @blackout4747
    @blackout4747 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just realized why I felt comfortable on ADC for years despite not liking it for climbing. I didn't know the macro, but would farm and space better than others

  • @digg8292
    @digg8292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love these videos, and i hope you make one with Tarzaned i would love to hear his sided of leauge as a jungler, content creator and as a challenger player. after what i've seen he has a diffrent view of league than most others.

    • @Shumpybumpo
      @Shumpybumpo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He would be great on here

    • @tyler38rage
      @tyler38rage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This didn't age well

  • @trevorpilgrim1420
    @trevorpilgrim1420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I 100% agree that name plates should be removed. In terms of removing third party scouting websites however, that’ll never happen. I work within the CS field as an information security designer, so I can say with 99% certainty that riot is making a lot of money by selling player data. It’s unfortunately just not a good business move. Conversations like this are awesome though just because it gets people thinking about more creative solutions to the problem, love the content!

  • @Fishbro
    @Fishbro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy shit I'm so early. Surprised to see content right now while the servers are down for maintenance

  • @chillbro2275
    @chillbro2275 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the better connection between Riste's personality and why hey may not be super high elo, is that his personality isn't interested in the champs that would maximize his game knowledge and strategic acumen that would buoy him to super high elo.

  • @gridmatrix6364
    @gridmatrix6364 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Litteraly 55 min of pure quality!!!

  • @patricelavoie3
    @patricelavoie3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    im finding this rather late, but this was awesome! good shit neace

  • @realslimshaco
    @realslimshaco 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    18:18 im pretty sure Kikis from UOL play it, back in the time that they played the tf jng and shit

  • @kreep4776
    @kreep4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Most people look down to jungler

    • @chillbro2275
      @chillbro2275 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah, while being just so-so laners at best, i might add.

  • @TheHiroCameron
    @TheHiroCameron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    from godl 3- plat 4 I been in que for 7 mins and seen 5 dodges in a row. pretty crazy tbh cause i don't remember that many dodges.

    • @Skynightburst
      @Skynightburst 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup

    • @Sithisine
      @Sithisine 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      that sometimes happens in draft pick for me, its just insta dodge after insta dodge

  • @zcvhzd
    @zcvhzd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was good, some cool insights on how the game works and how to play in addition to all the more meta stuff

  • @NeuroNinjaAlexander
    @NeuroNinjaAlexander 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anytime someone talks about fixing ranked and dodging my things I say until I'm blue in the face are these:
    1) remove autofill
    2) don't allow anyone to play a champ they're not mastery 4 on. And nobody can play ranked unless they're mastery 4 on at least 5 champs (unless none of them are available in champ select for whatever reason)

    • @vitark1544
      @vitark1544 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I played SMITE when it was in beta and for a few years after that and for you to be able to play ranked you needed level 30 and mastery on 10 gods. I don't recall these numbers precisely but to put in perspective, League had close to or more than 100 champs and SMITE had less than 50 back then.

  • @abaddonssentinel8605
    @abaddonssentinel8605 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad to hear that you think the laning phase is generally better on the EU server rather than NA. Not for some weird superiority thing, but because I watch your videos of bronze and silver players (where I'm currently ranked) and try to put the advice into practice, only for my lane opponents to play better than what I'm expecting haha

  • @_rce
    @_rce 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree with your calls about Adc but as an adc ziggs main who hits his power spike early the games that are those lvl 3-4 scuffed team fights are the easy games ziggs is the best pick for countering a scaling adc such as vayne cuz ziggs scales aswell idk just my two cents

  • @rabahmadini3778
    @rabahmadini3778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Everything in league of legends is jgl deff even if your mouse battery dies its the jglers fault
    But i love playing the role despite making me lose my shit on a daily bases and losing 4 accounts

    • @honeypotusername
      @honeypotusername 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is why you ought to use wired mice :)

    • @natsu7352
      @natsu7352 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@honeypotusername yea true the times my mouse just died while playin' is dumb.(except i was the jngler n it was my fault😅)

  • @BlackenedGold
    @BlackenedGold 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    to defend against inc start topside an box first at 35 secinds defensively then bos into buffs spacing them out for good leash
    get one or two people warding against invade.

  • @chillbro2275
    @chillbro2275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It may feel like ADCs are getting worse because supports are constantly changing, and getting stronger. Dealing with champs not meant to play support, but instead top lane is hard because as adc you're dependent on items, to get items you need gold - now put a pantheon hiding in the bush near the minions you need to last hit... put a maokai who spams seeds in the push for free, put a swain and lux whose abilities ignore minions. It's hard to even get outta laning phase with enough farm.

    • @akio159
      @akio159 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah you hit the nail on the head and made it go through the wood...

  • @zcrist22z
    @zcrist22z 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the bronze player with diamond MMR was HotshotGG (clg top laner at the time) man this takes me back hahaha

  • @IanLEAU
    @IanLEAU 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "people not rotating feels worse than not getting a gank, it feels like you had access to stuff"
    Yeah, they have towers lol.

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      if they loose their t1 turret they can just farm safer but if they loose their tower the jgl cant farm anymore because the entire enemy team will live in his jgl

    • @jonalva968
      @jonalva968 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Minnions free gold and xp walking up to you

    • @sgxbot
      @sgxbot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonalva968 *enemy free death and tilt walking up to you

  • @zeening
    @zeening 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this was a really good chat and video

  • @Johmy
    @Johmy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been waiting for this for a while now

  • @Kvh47
    @Kvh47 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am actually having a blast as jungle this season. I also get tilted way less than when I play top (old role). I do just mute everyone when the game starts tho

  • @MrTubeYouTheif
    @MrTubeYouTheif 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't the NA server for the US and Canada? That's gotta be way more people than EUW though, right?

  • @walkelftexasranger
    @walkelftexasranger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as always !
    But is there any way to make podcast with Hashinshin ? I think it would be pretty cool to talk to him ,since his arguments are way different that most people's :D

  • @tosifftom9220
    @tosifftom9220 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i hear the term prio all the time. Im assuming it means priority? what does that mean for the game exactly?

  • @snowyy4141
    @snowyy4141 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you want to learn the best true combo for Laning in solo q, it's lose lane into blame jg.

  • @falafelgaming3430
    @falafelgaming3430 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually watched the full video, good content. 👍

  • @bradleyTarz
    @bradleyTarz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this vid made me finally buy/try out shaco jungle

  • @gahrzerkire1193
    @gahrzerkire1193 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fucking scream "HEULP ME!" accurate.

  • @DLordGamging
    @DLordGamging 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "oh the ladder is so inflated". I procede to make myself a 15 winstreak and I keep winning 15 lps in a row.
    First season I reach Plat IV, when I never passed over Gold III. However I reached with a really decent win percentage and as soon as I reach plat my lps go from 15/16 (which are already pretty horrible) to 12/13

  • @IkeSpeaksUp
    @IkeSpeaksUp 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You genuinely should start a podcast bro

  • @rolofiend
    @rolofiend 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This podcast is god tier man holy shit

  • @Zen_420
    @Zen_420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would also be nice if there was an option to block some players from being queued up again, at least in the season, if not ever

  • @hectorgh9231
    @hectorgh9231 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One time, my top just full pushes the line, does not put wards, im currently in my passing from top to bot making the golems or the red. He get ganked and killed, immediately he writes "another gank and I'll go afk" he continues to just to full push like crazy ... and he went afk.

  • @robel364
    @robel364 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please bring back summoner speak

  • @Kaninjäveln
    @Kaninjäveln 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've always taken junglers the type of role who you "give favours, but don't expect anything back" . However when a jungler gives back the favour, it's honestly *gold* worth to me. I kind of like making that kind of "bond" , even if they fuck up.

  • @kevinseegobin1349
    @kevinseegobin1349 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im new to LOL so i could misunderstand but is there something wrong with counting a doge as an auto loss for the person who did it and also giving them the time penalty. It seems like it's kind of like a surrender before the game starts without the consent of the teammates

  • @kylerogers184
    @kylerogers184 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed this podcast. Keep it up!

  • @efdavis
    @efdavis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    on the dodge topic, go try to smurf q on a new account and see how many dodges there are as well!

  • @OklahomaHotdog
    @OklahomaHotdog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the super top coming here or not allowed?

  • @TheWintastical
    @TheWintastical 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ the early conversation about scuttle/prio, a note for low elo people, THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING PRIO IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE IT! I had a top laner tell me yesterday "I couldn't come, I was fighting to keep prio top" whaaaaat?

  • @warriorofkorn
    @warriorofkorn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never ever dodge or use opgg unless someone is clearly not trying to win in champ select.

  • @hp4rr158
    @hp4rr158 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neace could you upload these podcasts again to apple podcast I would love to watch/hear them when I am cyclin or going with public transport

  • @JuliusCesar66
    @JuliusCesar66 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a jungle main unfortunately stuck in low elo, I absolute hate every single one of my teammates at the start just because of the previous teammates I had. Especially top laners. Low ELO top are the worst. They really are on an island and blame the jungle for everything which is stupid because Mid is closer to them half the time unless rift is up for I’m up there for the brief 30 seconds to clear.

  • @Serral712
    @Serral712 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lmao favorite part was the house joke

  • @BlackenedGold
    @BlackenedGold 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a Shaco main otp since the start of the game, an I've literally chanted in gam ethe "help me to help you" phrase because honestly, laners don't tend to look at the bigger picture.

  • @arberreka2242
    @arberreka2242 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interested in this, since my friend only plays Jungle. Thanks.

  • @d540vamartin9
    @d540vamartin9 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got an idea, don’t allow dodges, implement a dodge vote in lobby

  • @lordclown1187
    @lordclown1187 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's the exact same in EUW

  • @DrBlocktopus
    @DrBlocktopus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hoping we can get a karasmai one someday

  • @ehliace3796
    @ehliace3796 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a jax main in plat is seems like what you guys were talking about happens every game lol

  • @twolfblue5695
    @twolfblue5695 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the moment you get to your desired rank, you get afraid of playing

  • @chimerablack4913
    @chimerablack4913 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    DOTA has solved the dodging problem. You go into a "low priority" queue where your queue times are 10 - 15 minutes long (instead of 2 or 3 minutes), you can't choose your hero, and you must win 5 games to get back to playing ranked. It's brutal. It can take over a week to get out of that jail. Everyone you're playing with sucks and is extra toxic.

  • @SinaShahsana
    @SinaShahsana 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They did play shaco in one game this season , Iwilldominate was commentating that game , he said call chase, they actually picked shaco.

  • @twelvestacks
    @twelvestacks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whenever I play nasus my junglers force top scuttle early and there is nothing I can do about it but they flame me

  • @Listlesseye
    @Listlesseye 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Riot needs a 10 game tutorial that teaches different aspects of the game in each game and the bots use well known/strats

  • @moonmessiah9368
    @moonmessiah9368 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    LoL was my first moba. I mained JG since my first bot match. It was a unique experience.

  • @kevinvanderende3088
    @kevinvanderende3088 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't really think that dodging is ever an issue in low ELO. Like right now I'm steady climbing as support with an average winrate of 60-65% in that role, And haven't dodged a single game. Mainly because if I started dodging because there was a player with a low winrate, or someone using a random champion they've never played, I'd be dodging every single game. It's low ELO, that happens every game. I agree with what Neace said in a previous video, that once you reach diamond+, that there's no dodging and the names should be hidden. Because the issues are in high ELO and the lack of players there, hence the long queue times. This is the first year where I've actually dedicated time and energy into ranked, and I'm almost not wanting to rank up past diamond because I'd rather have fast queue times over a little badge. I play the game to play the game, not to say I'm the greatest and then sit in a queue for an hour doing nothing.