I'd love to see Azzapp on this series. One of the smartest players in the game, who's hit challenger on multiple servers (EUNE, NA, and grandmaster EUW) playing Vel'koz. He hit NA challenger on 140 ping which is crazy for a champion who's entire moveset is a skillshot.
@@birdistheword1472 He used to be everything, since in practice matches they train every role. Have you seen Reckless on support? - its hillarius to watch. (in none-offensive matter)
I never thought I would be interested in this series, but its actually incredibly fun to hear the thoughts and opinions of all of these players. Btw "mom go sky" absolutely killed me. Hilarious.
50 50 for your editors, man that is some respect right there. Love your stuff! Since season ended I haven't actually tried using your content in my main role and account but I have been playing a lot of mid on a smurf account learning orianna and got 62% win rate on her XDDD your tips for laning are actually insanely good and you're really clear on the why you do what. Thanks for all the free content! I can't really contribute with much aside from views and watching ads on your videos unfortunately
One of my favourite Summoner Speaks along with xFSNSaber and xPetu. The discussion is so insightful. I love fevi! Looking forward to when she coaches Neace on Bard.
I like the idea of doubling down on punishing mistakes in league. She talks about how Korean players commit fully to an engage when someone's flash is down, or dash is on cooldown. I think that's such a good mindset to have to really tilt the enemy team. Let them know that you see them messing up and you're not gonna let them just walk away for free.
its actually not expensive to have different logic for different clients and servers, with the same code base. It is done on many many software using simple techniques like feature toggles or programming by abstraction. For example, each server can have in the db a list of what features are turned on and the code just has conditionals to check what is executed. "if no_auto_fill on then methodA() else methodB()" etc etc. It's so simple...
We all need to band together to get LS. I need these two minds in the same call. Wildly different opinions that end in the same goal, two different backgrounds, macro gods, we must do it peoples
in garena servers(ph and sg) challenger players just play normals because the queue times lasts so long like an hour for one game in challenger sometimes i even match plat to diamond players in normal games because not a lot of players plays ranked
I don't exactly understand the "I'll drop in elo" argument when it comes to removing dodging. Yes, you will play worse on average than if you did by just playing your one trick. But this won't just affect a single person but the entire playerbase. It's not just your one trick that's being banned. Yeah, maybe your Qiyana got banned. But the enemy jungler's Hecarim was banned as well.
@@ShinigamiXL_ no point losing 5-20 lp + ruining your MMR over a kid thats playing with 30% on 150 games, take the -3 for the dodge, save yourself some time and queue up again. Even if you were to get the 20 min penalty you would still have saved yourself the time of suffering and your mental is healthier than it would have been after the loss. Especially if you are not some kind of Challenger Smurf playing in Plat its highly unlikely that ur going to be able to carry as perfect as they can. No point in making it harder on yourself than it should be, especially since you most likely arent the only player good enough to carry in the game, the enemy team might have smurfs or simply really good players aswell.
Just had a legit 1/20 yasuo soft inting (not sprinting straight down mid, but never doing anything but autoing their nautilus every fight) and 3 of us on our team reported him, surprise surprise - no report feedback. Riot literally doesn’t care unless it’s typed in chat... pathetic
What's ironic is no dodges would actually increase the overall games with trolls. The majority of dodged games are because of autofill/griefing champ select but an autofill player could easily turn into a troll soft inter.
I love her laugh, she sounds super cute, I loved this episode btw, since you are trying to bring different types of content creators and not just high elo average streamers maybe bring a actual and current proplayer? no matter the region. P.S: I'm a zed main please bring Laceration!!!!!!!!
It's just because we grew up in a society where we first put priority on male IT. they designed the platforms but in asia where the fully developed industrialisation hit them in 70 Years. Chinese Japanese and Korean have a very high women gaming rate. and because they play as much as man do they also have a lot of good gameress. Industrialization has pros and cons
I didn't know about feviknight until now. But fuck me, I love her accent, I could listen for shamefully long amounts just to hear I think. It's so nice to listen to.
27:40 but if they hide the usernames of champions then there's no way for people to know when they need to wintrade and then the dodging argument that was used earlier doesn't sound nearly as convincing.
I don't understand the flame against one tricks. Everyone says one tricking is the fastest way to climb. But I started out league playing legitimately 65 champions. I have 65 mastery seven champions and I would get flamed for not playing the same champion twice in a row. Everyone says "play two or three champions, not one, and not four." It's like "play my way or get flamed"
Mastery means nothing. It just means you play the champ a lot and you got lucky for a few games and carried hard enough to get an S. It's when you can hit S's and win consistently that matters. lol.
Love these videos man. Been following you since the lilypichu video from a long time ago lol. I'm a masters player from NA and you have some very good opinions on league in general. It's cool because this is pretty much one of the only podcasts that focus on high elo league of legends.
So...I went over to check out feviknight's channel after this video and saw the "meet feviknight" video and all I could think was: this is exactly what would it would be like if BEEMO played league
Its not too complicated riot is being lazy. Their match making system literally needs one if statement or a switch to have different algorithms. Hell it should be dynamic by default to use different algorithms based off current server population, it should even be able to adapt based off of the populations of role subtypes. They have access to all the data they need and wouldn't need the clients to have custom luanchers. It's literally a matter of them fixing their server code. It's not insanely hard or complex. They just need to do it. OR they have some weird reason they want it to be the way it is.
31:35 I've been a professional computer programmer for almost 10 years now. It would be INCREDIBLY EASY to hide the names in lol. Like it would literally take 5 minutes of coding to implement. I don't give a shi7 how complicated riots system or client is, it would take 1 or 2 lines of code to fix regardless. Riot is lying, or misinformed, or some other factor is involved, because hiding the names can be done in 1 or 2 lines of code in 5-10 minutes by any competent programmer(and im sure riots got world class programmers).
I always get so confused when companies just say they can't do it when us other programmers who aren't involved just know how easy it would be to fix some of the issues.
Hey Neace, loving the content. Just an idea for more ppl to inteview. I thought about Coach Curtis and LS being interesting to speak to. Just wanna plant the thought at least. Keep up the good content dude and keep enjoying what you do
Want to clarify something, but what Dopa seems to describe doesn't necessarily have to be OCD, since it's not actually tied to specific actions but more how his environment should be like, and that sounds much closer to the need for repetitiveness found in autism than OCD.
Hey Neace, I just found your content a little while ago. I've been learning Korean for over 3 years, I tutor beginner and intermediate level students and I would love to help explain language concepts if you're serious about learning the language with a good foundation from a native English speaker. Thanks for putting out quality content and talking about things the way they are.
Make me lose less LP based on score in game. If I get an S rank and do 90% of the damage but still lose 17lp vs getting a C rank and feeding my ass, is kinda different.
@Neace, I would like to participate in the bootcamp, but I'm not sure how it'll be like for me because I work full time 8AM-430PM. Do you think it'll be possible to attend with that type of schedule?
I hate being a support main who is able to quickly pick up almost every champ. I've gotten multiple M7s - my best one being Shen - yet I can't rank up. I can't imagine playing on the KR server.
Honestly ive dabbled into this game a bit again and its the same shit its always been, i stomp draft games because people on both sides are willing to commit there, then my last iron kindred game is like any other ranked game i play it goes well, i secure ganks on lanes i push multiple towers with multiple heralds as late game commenced last game i had zero deaths and a lot of kills, well fed nice stacks and in the final team fights i have little to say and my team is not gonna make plays so we lose to a malphite ult, this game is garbage in a lot of ways and i realize playing some chanpions in the lowest of elos is impossible cause down there your team never pushes objectives and if i do it alone im 1v5 so.. I guess im doomed to play malphite or some crazy 1v5 hero or have redicilous heal for my team all game to even have a chance of climbing Nidalee might work and its my last fun to play option nida is hard to be consistant with though but hopefully its fun unlike the kindred games Also for the neace dick riders saying its just me, when i duo queue with a friend that has higher elo the games are WAY easier, i dont struggle against low gold players for sure and theyre still easy to outplay we just win more cause the team takes initiatives with me unlike in iron
I'm just a bronzie but I think she's right, Personally I'm sick to death of going into a ranked game with 4 autofills that have never played thier champions, It's an instant loss and it's not fun, It's just a waste of my time and what little LP I might have gained.
Anyone else got a good laugh from the editor's comment of "Im not in neace's basement"
and when neace said moving to korea would be good for him lol
“1 minute queue times in gm in Korea”
Me sitting on my 7 minute queue times in bronze in na:
Felt
cries in na
@@vincentwest1951 cries in na? i had an hour queue the other day for silver on oce
That funny to since bronze and silver is the most inflated of the na ranks
@@mop3246 well then cries in na and oce
I would pay top dollar to watch one Summoner Speak with Bwipo.
That is my dream of two of my favorite league people interacting with each other
That
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Tr0000f
I would love Bwipo too! And Caedrel
Bwipo! yes!
I'd love to see Azzapp on this series. One of the smartest players in the game, who's hit challenger on multiple servers (EUNE, NA, and grandmaster EUW) playing Vel'koz. He hit NA challenger on 140 ping which is crazy for a champion who's entire moveset is a skillshot.
Azzapp is sooooo underrated.
That's usual ping in my country
Is he that vel koz otp that somehow always hits his Q from the weirdest angles?
@@MrFreakinHair he bends them somehow, very unnatural player lol
He's incredible and fun af to watch play yo
Hey Neace any chance you could land an interview with Bwipo? I think he'd be a great guest :)
neace liked this so hopefully this means its in the works
Bwipo is the reason why I play top lane. (I know that he plays jungle now in FNC but he used to play top before.)
@@birdistheword1472 He used to be everything, since in practice matches they train every role. Have you seen Reckless on support? - its hillarius to watch. (in none-offensive matter)
@@birdistheword1472 same bro
The guests you invite are sooo S tier, really love this series
I never thought I would be interested in this series, but its actually incredibly fun to hear the thoughts and opinions of all of these players.
Btw "mom go sky" absolutely killed me. Hilarious.
50 50 for your editors, man that is some respect right there. Love your stuff! Since season ended I haven't actually tried using your content in my main role and account but I have been playing a lot of mid on a smurf account learning orianna and got 62% win rate on her XDDD your tips for laning are actually insanely good and you're really clear on the why you do what. Thanks for all the free content! I can't really contribute with much aside from views and watching ads on your videos unfortunately
One of my favourite Summoner Speaks along with xFSNSaber and xPetu. The discussion is so insightful. I love fevi! Looking forward to when she coaches Neace on Bard.
Have they done an episode? I can’t find it
Great interview, cool guest :) I like to hear about the difference between the servers and culture.
These episodes are a nice way to get league content while also taking a break from league content if you know what I mean
Omfg neace boi is movin with the wife to korea?! Damn. Man's gonna be best coach in the world.
xd sure
no
he's good but LS will forever be the best coach of all time.
watching neace is such a waste of time when u can watch Chovy's, Sally's and other good player replays
"the wife" ok boomer
I like the idea of doubling down on punishing mistakes in league. She talks about how Korean players commit fully to an engage when someone's flash is down, or dash is on cooldown.
I think that's such a good mindset to have to really tilt the enemy team. Let them know that you see them messing up and you're not gonna let them just walk away for free.
Dopa's very specific setup sounds like he is inspired by, or shares that approach with Flash.
its actually not expensive to have different logic for different clients and servers, with the same code base. It is done on many many software using simple techniques like feature toggles or programming by abstraction.
For example, each server can have in the db a list of what features are turned on and the code just has conditionals to check what is executed. "if no_auto_fill on then methodA() else methodB()" etc etc. It's so simple...
That was a great SP. She is adorable and smart. She nailed it when she said that you cant remove dodging without fixing the matchmaking.
I was stationed in South Korea, Vodafone is a cell phone provider and is super cheap if you need a phone number for league
Neace, you’re awesome, hope your channel explodes. I watch you almost daily since I discovered you.
what an amasing guest! i cant wait for bootcamp 2.0 :D
Holy shit this boot camp sound so perfect, the hype that you gave me, Neace you always suprise me, love ur content
haha I am now a new fan of feviknight haha I loved this convo keep up the good work
We all need to band together to get LS. I need these two minds in the same call. Wildly different opinions that end in the same goal, two different backgrounds, macro gods, we must do it peoples
I got excited seeing the bard in the thumbnail thinking that this was going to be poly. Nevertheless, great Sum Speak, great guest.
Poly's friend tho
Poly edits for her, no?
@@sebawuba8533 Poly and Fevi are siblings
@@Ranzzum wut? I didn't know that, both siblings and are high elo main bard
in garena servers(ph and sg) challenger players just play normals because the queue times lasts so long like an hour for one game in challenger sometimes i even match plat to diamond players in normal games because not a lot of players plays ranked
All the korean server insight from her was amazing to hear
I don't exactly understand the "I'll drop in elo" argument when it comes to removing dodging. Yes, you will play worse on average than if you did by just playing your one trick. But this won't just affect a single person but the entire playerbase. It's not just your one trick that's being banned. Yeah, maybe your Qiyana got banned. But the enemy jungler's Hecarim was banned as well.
I'm not dodging because of a banned champ, I'm dodging because of a 30% win rate adc over the course of 150 games
@@shini64m14 sure, but I was talking about the argument of the person in this video.
@@shini64m14 I thought the mentality of climbing is to assume your own teammates are shit players and that you need to be the carry for every game.
@@ShinigamiXL_ no point losing 5-20 lp + ruining your MMR over a kid thats playing with 30% on 150 games, take the -3 for the dodge, save yourself some time and queue up again. Even if you were to get the 20 min penalty you would still have saved yourself the time of suffering and your mental is healthier than it would have been after the loss.
Especially if you are not some kind of Challenger Smurf playing in Plat its highly unlikely that ur going to be able to carry as perfect as they can.
No point in making it harder on yourself than it should be, especially since you most likely arent the only player good enough to carry in the game, the enemy team might have smurfs or simply really good players aswell.
People are just too lazy to master more than 2 champs
Her: I was gold first season that I played
Me: Stuck inn Diamond after 5 years of playing
Imagine being out of silver after 3 years. I can't...
@@simone8172 imagine making it to silver
Hardstuck plat for 3 years now sadge
I'm plat 1 euw and started playing last year lol.
@@kyron3098 shut up Kyron
i have zero time for the bootcamp or anything but man, i love the idea of your tournament. Keeping low elo interesting for us i love it
Trop cool, merci pour cette serie ! (sooo cool, thanks for this series of video)
Dodging is fine, you don't need to remove dodging if Riot banned trolls
Part of forcing others to dodge is being a huge troll.
Just had a legit 1/20 yasuo soft inting (not sprinting straight down mid, but never doing anything but autoing their nautilus every fight) and 3 of us on our team reported him, surprise surprise - no report feedback. Riot literally doesn’t care unless it’s typed in chat... pathetic
What's ironic is no dodges would actually increase the overall games with trolls. The majority of dodged games are because of autofill/griefing champ select but an autofill player could easily turn into a troll soft inter.
@@MrCaptainTea just a bad game bro :^)
@@niksy80 Its more than just a bad game if you die 20 times.
I love her laugh, she sounds super cute, I loved this episode btw, since you are trying to bring different types of content creators and not just high elo average streamers maybe bring a actual and current proplayer? no matter the region.
P.S: I'm a zed main please bring Laceration!!!!!!!!
@Mike Williams don’t care
It's just because we grew up in a society where we first put priority on male IT. they designed the platforms but in asia where the fully developed industrialisation hit them in 70 Years. Chinese Japanese and Korean have a very high women gaming rate.
and because they play as much as man do they also have a lot of good gameress.
Industrialization has pros and cons
As a father to two young daughters I love that you made sure to highlight and interview a highly skilled female League of Legends content creator.
oh god another gynocentric father... well if you get EXTREMELY lucky your sacrifice will be appreciated by them but unlikely
This podcast is the best thing to happen to this channel. So fun.
30:00 nice catch also would like to see your dodging perspective after trip to korea
You need to interview josedeodo, he dominated the Chinese superserver last worlds as a LAS player and is now playing in flyquest
I didn't know about feviknight until now. But fuck me, I love her accent, I could listen for shamefully long amounts just to hear I think. It's so nice to listen to.
never seen him being so nice before XD
Watching Neave review feviiii is my favorite! I love bard so yeee :)
27:40 but if they hide the usernames of champions then there's no way for people to know when they need to wintrade and then the dodging argument that was used earlier doesn't sound nearly as convincing.
Love these Neace!
It's insane what a great mentality Noway4yousir has. Every time I'm hearing one of these I'm getting more and more amazed by that
I don't understand the flame against one tricks. Everyone says one tricking is the fastest way to climb. But I started out league playing legitimately 65 champions. I have 65 mastery seven champions and I would get flamed for not playing the same champion twice in a row. Everyone says "play two or three champions, not one, and not four." It's like "play my way or get flamed"
Mastery means nothing. It just means you play the champ a lot and you got lucky for a few games and carried hard enough to get an S. It's when you can hit S's and win consistently that matters. lol.
I remember the old Korean streams like they were yesterday...
"Mom in sky, boom"
Love these videos man. Been following you since the lilypichu video from a long time ago lol. I'm a masters player from NA and you have some very good opinions on league in general. It's cool because this is pretty much one of the only podcasts that focus on high elo league of legends.
I would love to but I have to go compete for a week in track if I signed up now would I still be able to attend still when I get back
Anyone noticed that when Neace is talking over someone and that person doesn't stop talking he just smiles and goes "Yea yea yea yea yea".
I'd love to see another Korea climb, that'd be so hype! I'm watching the original series rn lol
if ur toxic in korea do u get a bad cred score?
asking for friend
So...I went over to check out feviknight's channel after this video and saw the "meet feviknight" video and all I could think was: this is exactly what would it would be like if BEEMO played league
17:07 This is actually sooo common on euw, is this not a thing on other servers?
Its not too complicated riot is being lazy. Their match making system literally needs one if statement or a switch to have different algorithms. Hell it should be dynamic by default to use different algorithms based off current server population, it should even be able to adapt based off of the populations of role subtypes. They have access to all the data they need and wouldn't need the clients to have custom luanchers. It's literally a matter of them fixing their server code. It's not insanely hard or complex. They just need to do it. OR they have some weird reason they want it to be the way it is.
Hiding names in luanchers etc. Is also fucking easy as hell too. They are just being lazy.
31:35 I've been a professional computer programmer for almost 10 years now. It would be INCREDIBLY EASY to hide the names in lol. Like it would literally take 5 minutes of coding to implement. I don't give a shi7 how complicated riots system or client is, it would take 1 or 2 lines of code to fix regardless. Riot is lying, or misinformed, or some other factor is involved, because hiding the names can be done in 1 or 2 lines of code in 5-10 minutes by any competent programmer(and im sure riots got world class programmers).
I always get so confused when companies just say they can't do it when us other programmers who aren't involved just know how easy it would be to fix some of the issues.
saw korea in the title and bard in the thumbnail, i can’t be the only one that thought it was polypuff
I don’t think he is as high elo as fevi but I do love his content.
35:17 I thought the video was over and that I must have been really into it without noticing.
Have of your revenue to editors? Holy shit homie eatin good. I'd be fighting to be the only editor. 6 figures a year.
Just noticed that rek'sai while buried counters Shaco. 19:06
Would be cool to see diablo v2 on here. I think he was like top 10 euw challenger Aurelion sol main.
I think LS would be an amazing guest, you two have quite a few different opinions that you could dispute xD
Can you invite elite500 in your future podcasts?
57:14 Oh that was so cool!!! These games also had some massive pop-ups happen hahah
fevi owned him on the dodging debate LMFAO
Well it's mainly because he didn't know how crazy que was compared to NA
I hope there will be more (like 3 or 4) later. Would love to do it when I get the time
Hey Neace, loving the content. Just an idea for more ppl to inteview. I thought about Coach Curtis and LS being interesting to speak to. Just wanna plant the thought at least. Keep up the good content dude and keep enjoying what you do
LS would still be fun but I hadn't seen the entire vid yet so I didn't know about the ghosting. Good luck getting him here then.
ngl id love to join in on the tournament but i, just like many others, are probably too anxious to signup
Want to clarify something, but what Dopa seems to describe doesn't necessarily have to be OCD, since it's not actually tied to specific actions but more how his environment should be like, and that sounds much closer to the need for repetitiveness found in autism than OCD.
I just have to give a salute to Dopa-sensei since he was mentioned. You're the true king of macro.
Don't even play Lol but really interesting to hear the competitive spirit you guys both have
You are wonderful, Neace.
Hey Neace, I just found your content a little while ago. I've been learning Korean for over 3 years, I tutor beginner and intermediate level students and I would love to help explain language concepts if you're serious about learning the language with a good foundation from a native English speaker. Thanks for putting out quality content and talking about things the way they are.
Would love to see Gbay99 on here one day, hes definitely one of my favourite OG league youtubers still around
Make me lose less LP based on score in game. If I get an S rank and do 90% of the damage but still lose 17lp vs getting a C rank and feeding my ass, is kinda different.
i won two ranked games while listening to this as fiora top, ig it works
@Neace, I would like to participate in the bootcamp, but I'm not sure how it'll be like for me because I work full time 8AM-430PM. Do you think it'll be possible to attend with that type of schedule?
Hey Neace! You should do a summoner speaks with Yamikaze.
I think that would be pretty fun.
god I love how NA is the meat head region, i’m so glad it’s not as sweaty, I find it already sweaty enough.
who is the challenger lulu? i'm slightly interested in that boring gameplay :p
I hate being a support main who is able to quickly pick up almost every champ. I've gotten multiple M7s - my best one being Shen - yet I can't rank up.
I can't imagine playing on the KR server.
Sidenote: Are the long waiting times in the US because of shitty internet or why ?
….. believe it’s more of the obvious of a massive server with almost no one high elo
keep up the good work
Honestly ive dabbled into this game a bit again and its the same shit its always been, i stomp draft games because people on both sides are willing to commit there, then my last iron kindred game is like any other ranked game i play it goes well, i secure ganks on lanes i push multiple towers with multiple heralds as late game commenced last game i had zero deaths and a lot of kills, well fed nice stacks and in the final team fights i have little to say and my team is not gonna make plays so we lose to a malphite ult, this game is garbage in a lot of ways and i realize playing some chanpions in the lowest of elos is impossible cause down there your team never pushes objectives and if i do it alone im 1v5 so.. I guess im doomed to play malphite or some crazy 1v5 hero or have redicilous heal for my team all game to even have a chance of climbing
Nidalee might work and its my last fun to play option nida is hard to be consistant with though but hopefully its fun unlike the kindred games
Also for the neace dick riders saying its just me, when i duo queue with a friend that has higher elo the games are WAY easier, i dont struggle against low gold players for sure and theyre still easy to outplay we just win more cause the team takes initiatives with me unlike in iron
I'm just a bronzie but I think she's right, Personally I'm sick to death of going into a ranked game with 4 autofills that have never played thier champions, It's an instant loss and it's not fun, It's just a waste of my time and what little LP I might have gained.
Yo neace where is the bard-trynda coaching you promised?
It must be amazing playing with gods on the regular. I wanna play in Korea too even if i lose it would still be fun to learn from better players
Ayyye neace speaks again!
He learns so fast soon hell be doing complete sentences 😍
its actually insane how she reached chally especially in Korean server
gm
@@sbstratos79 ye meant gm lol still impressive though!
college so fun she hit master xD
Still think you should need a phone number on NA accounts
I wish i had time for this bootcamp, but it in the middle of my vacation, and I got stuff to do
I want to pay the bootcamp ticket, I am on Mexico, if I create an NA account I'll be able to assist? :c
It sounds like Korean gaming culture needs to shape up about as badly as the other server's performances
was that a customgrow420 reference at the beginning!?
No one is allowed to complain about server till they play in PH server.
voicediff...what he describes is basically the same like when you hear an angry puppy.
I really want to see one of these with thebausffs.
Why arent you guys posting this to the website anymore?
YOU CANT LET THEM WIN! Exactly! And sadly sometimes my teammates think that about us :(
Was it only me or did i hear massu tear and master tier at the same time
hey neace would love to see just one pic of when u were in the army in full charlie outfit XD
so the pro player gankedbymom was quite controversial aswell?