The tech is to actually send a super powerfully angry email and pretend like you’re super pissed so that they do a case study on you and you get 8 free VOD reviews
I`m the guy, I have some points about some things that were said. #1 i didn`t handpick the replays to only show the good games. All these replays were in the last 5 to 10 games i played. Doing that would be very childish and stupid to do. You and me will not learn anything from it. #2 the things i do sometimes like freezing to long or staying to long are just because i tilt too fast (for example having a poppy support basically running it down and not being in lane at all) and a team flaming each other. I know that my mental/patience with the things around me is just weak. I get mad too fast. I let my environment get the best of me. #3 I`ve never been on reddit in my life.. #4 I watched the whole video a couple of times and certainly have to balls to do this and be self critical. I actually like the video and learned something. Thank you for being respectable and objectively telling me/us what goes wrong. Also mentioning the positive things in my play is appreciated. I can actually place what u say together with what i`m thinking in these game and do something with it. I learned, I have to play more consistent (the consistency i lose because every time I'm tilted out of my mind allready) Not every time i see a kill, i should take it depending on the state of the game (calculate the risks) Keeping my lead/bounty. Wave management. Reset and transitioning in the game. In a nutshell it is just consistency and keeping my lead. I keep trying to clean up the mess around me and ruin my own impact on the game by bringing water to the ocean while getting mad things get flooded. I`m not the best player in the world. I have flaws. The reason i send you my email is exactly what you guys say. I was frustrated, tilted and confused indeed. And wanted to some professional opinion on my faults. I`d like to apologize for my language i used in this mind state. Thanks again guys. I appreciate it very much. Cheers.
You know what, this is a pretty mature response... I think you do have some talent for the game, if you can sort out your mentality towards league, you could really have fun and see massive improvement. It's not easy tho, and if it feels like league is just not good for you, quitting would be the best thing to do for your personal life. I wish you the best of luck!
Thats cool to hear. But saying u are ignorant of the fundamentals of the game, bcuz u are tilting is just an excuse bruv. When i first started playing the game in high school, i used to rage like crazy.. I used to yell and even scream often and get triggered by anything and everything in the chat as well. Its hard to focus and think, obviously u arent in that kind of state. But i still was gold, i was never bronze xd Do u think u are the only person that tilts that play league? U are missing way too many fundamentals, that shouldnt even be thought about. Should be second nature. Then comes consistency.
@@blazinwind1091 i'm not really here to argue. Or to compare myself with people like you are doing now. I'm saying, and allot of people most of the time do stupid shit when frustrated or angry. You dont have to deny that and at the same time start saying what i can or can't do. So chill out homy. I think the note of this video and my response make it pretty clear what the deal is. No need for oil on the fire.
Mental goes sp far tbh, i webt from emerald to being mid diamond euw for a few months after fixing my mindset abt league, understanding that you don’t need to carry n stuff. Mental has been boomed again tho so I demoted a fair bit and I need to fix it again😅
Itd be cool to see a case study of someone that had climbed and see an example of the difference in their gameplay from bronze silver gold plat and see what the difference actually looks like from rank to rank.
@@zoharllera1696 I personally did not notice that I actually got better, until I got onto another account in the elo I was stuck in and then i realized it lol
@@zoharllera1696eh not really. The difference in skill in league is very very minimal compared to other games. People in bronze iron, silver actually know how to use their keyboards, they do flash combos, freeze, play with gank timers, etc. They do very small basic mistakes and thats what makes them lower rank. Stuff like throwing their lead, fighting at dumb times, getting caught out and collapsed on, not diving towers as much, supports not knowing how to roam properly etc. If i was to sum it up, low elos know the fundamental and will mimic them, and higher elos FUNDAMENTALLY understand the fundamentals and exploit them in unique ways. Thats the only difference. And really, its because this game is so old. All the rules have been cracked.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin I dont think that's right. In league, the base mechanics are way easier fundamentaly compared to other games. In a shooter game, you can see in 1 seconde that someone is low level, by the way they move their crosshair or the way they walk around. In league, a lot of low level players seem like they know what they're doing because they got their mechanics down, they can do flash combos etc. But the thing is, the strategy and gamesens is what they lack. So it's not the "small stuff" that get people stuck in bronze, it's the complete opposite actually, it's the big picture. The skill difference between ranks is massive.
I'm primarily an audio listener but I had to come to the comments here to thank you guys for your great audio commentary for a very visual-heavy episode. I think you all (especially the guest) did a really amazing job narrating the play-by-play moments and painting the picture so I could clearly understand what was happening without even seeing it. Love your work! Keep it up guys!
It's so funny how this guy says he "stopped caring about teammates" then immediately calls them tomato IQ idiots. He's clearly lying to himself because he's not doing even half the stuff he claims he's doing to improve while just expecting to win because he climbed to platinum one time. 99% of people who hit platinum or better, don't just randomly start losing to bronze and silver players because the meta is different, unless they have zero mental and rage queue all day. It's the classic ego thinking of "I'm better than all these noobs. If they would just play like me and listen to me then we would win." These kinds of people play super over confidently and make so many mistakes they used to not make assuming that the "bad players" won't be able to punish them.
you can easily rage queue down 400 mmr or more. But also every one cares about team mates whihc is one of the nitpicks I have with the BBC. Team mates will never stop you from climbing but they can make your climb unfun. Pretty sure Ive listened to these guys talk about Meta affecting your rank. Its widely consider to affect your rank if you have a small sample size, id probably say less than 3 seasons. If you played some of the outliers in the meta your rank can easily get inflated. But over a large enough sample size pretty much impossible because you would have to pick up and drop champs every 3 months or so which means you probably have a good baseline/are just good at the game after learning different champs.
Tbh this is the only time ive heard of someone doing that at all let alone fall all the way back down to bronze in 1 split lmao Maybe see a therapist 😂
@@brotendo It is possible, the system is or was just broken specially when emerald was introduced, I have a friend o does not even understand basics and he is in plat for two seasons now.
@@brotendo Ive had seasons back when I was consistantly like bronze 1, where at the beginning of the season I just randomly got into Gold 1 after placements. No good reason why, just got lucky. It def happens, and isnt impossible you get a lucky streak. But holding it is what proves the rank, not attaining it for a game or so lel.
It's not even necessarily that. The main goal is to play low-risk, high-percentage League, because that's what makes it repeatable, consistent, and reliable. Just note that this doesn't mean playing passive, but in accordance with your champion's identity and the role you need to fill in a particular game.
If you jungle full clear twice before ganking in low elo. Most jungles fail a gank early in low mmr They're on 24 or 28 cs and you're already at like 40 or more which is at minimum a longsword or amp time advantage. Then go find a neutral to do. Some games you will get burned if they get a kill but on average you're ahead and higher tempo early Even if they get a kill normally their lane and them back you go clean the wave up or your lane tps back and it's close to experience neutral
@@bangadzakaran5564 sadly u are biased, if you would be playing as a low masters u would also see how big the gap is between d1 and low masters...funny how people have this high ego at all ranks
Wdym? u complaining about ur teammates is not something new, just because u are d1 u think that u are more special? That's what an emerald or bronze would also think, that it's the team fault. Wdym what is the point? The point is that once u begin thinking like that --> is the moment u stop improving as a player. And my point is that if you would be higher skill leveld u would stomp ur laner then u would make ur lead help everyone else in ur team, i don't get it. I truly don't get how a d1 like u can think like a bronze to low diamond player
@@bangadzakaran5564 what are you doing that keeps you in the same mmr as these people? if the answer is 'idk', then there you have your answer. you are just as clueless.
lack of self awareness. just look at how he claims he DOESNT CARE (about rank) yet his emotional state, him typing an essay, and him explicitly asking advise to CLIMB back shows everything other than not caring
Just wanted to say that you guys reeeally helped me. Ever since I started watching these videos about a month ago, I’ve gone from being stuck between Iron 2 and Bronze 4 to Silver 3 with a 56% win rate. Love the work you guys do!
I would say the primary learnings from these case studies are the pitfalls people succumb to, so we can be vigilant in avoiding them. Because nobody is immune.
Case study episodes are the best! From problem (visuals) to point, rather than point by point episodes. Would love to hear a deep dive on tank players or support players (more of a supportive role) on how they climb vs meta/carry champs!
I think its important to note that Im that first sequence in the first game, once the Lillia missed her E the play was already done, fizz had no ult as well. At that moment he should of backed off already. There is no world where they realisticly get a kill there
That Briar tower dive was some retail store level money laundering, buying a lollypop with 1000 dollars. Especially giving that fat shutdown to VIEGO of all champs, that's like the biggest end of review you could go for at this moment of the game. Great video guys, love seeing Charlie on the couch once more!
@@smappa849 Imagine breaking your little toe in a game when your whole team are killing themselves doing dumb shit and ruining everything and u still blame yourself. Pretty delusional right. Yeah u will get better with that mindset pushing yourself. But the reality is pretty obvious. If you get an ace score as a tank support, you know what kind of team u had. Allot of things are just out of your controll
@@L3sVo I agree that you can go too far in taking responsibility, but if I were to compare that tower dive death to bodily injury, that's like breaking your back while everything else is going on. Some games you can't even afford to stub that toe and win, and this mindset just helps to not go off rails and confused why we lose those games.
I had a similar problem where I was winning lane well and consistently, but wouldn’t group up/help teammates at the proper time. It’s one of those grey areas where yes you want to play for yourself to carry, but then carrying entails putting your teammates on your back too.
I have no idea i stayed in diamond until i quit after being silver for 2 seasons and i know plat is peak bullshit and toxicity but ive never heard of that period Much less in one split 😂
I can relate to this player. I got to Platinum 4 and got demoted to Silver 1. Just around the time when riot made changes where they took between 25 to 50 LP when you demoted. I ended up uninstalling for 2 months.
2nd honest question: This season I randomly lost 47 lp dropping me out of S3. Normal Lp loss was 28 and gain was 24. I just told myself It was a glitch and moved on. A week later I played against a fantastic WW top laner. His roams, teleports, wave control for objective fights, tracking jungler clears to set invades and teleports were fantastic. He was using his q to consistently mitigate hard CC and latch onto intuition flashes. Going through his mobalytics he would consistently MVP his team. I then noticed his lp was -30 on loss and +17 on a win. I also saw, while he was still in gold, they lost 63 lp while normalized was 24/24 split. On that game he was the only one with a positive kd and decent cs. Good vis score as well. The math isn't mathing. Can this be explained somehow?
And LP loss and gains can't be normal, they differ from game to game and player to player and they are base on your hidden mmr and lobby medium mmr. But that doesn't matter either way
Honest question: I had a long standing account since 2015. 1st season I made silver and normalized the next 3 seasons hovering around in gold. On the next season I noticed I was losing alot more Lp on a loss than I was gaining on a win. After the first month I started keeping track of the numbers. Over the course of 3 months I had a -64% lp ratio with a average 62% win rate. Math wasn't mathing so I gave up on the account and started a new one.
new account won't change anything in terms of improving and climbing. You might get lucky on new acc and peak a bit higher then ususal, but you will eventually drop to you current skill lvl elo
"No one's gonna think their teammates are amazing and they're the problem" Except me. I think I'm so bad that I'll give my team all the resources instead of trying to be strong myself and follow all their calls because they are probably way smarter than me. Which then leads to my team having no functioning ADC and then everyone is confused how we lose teamfights
having no ego is just as bad as having a huge ego. the matchmaking system is fair, your are good enough to be a factor in your own games. yeah league is crazy complicated, and you will definilty make massive mistakes by taking control. But you will gain more from being proactive than what you will lose. Have faith in your play.
That's the opposite of how you learn the game amigo, you gotta make the calls and make the big dick plays, then learn from when you fail miserably. I know it sounds harsh but that's really just the way to do it imo, the more control you take over the game the more you'll fail - and the more failures you'll have to learn from. Vod review can do very little for you if there's no plays to analyze
I obviously have no clue who you are as a person, but I had the same issue, and still have to some degree. Check whether it's an ego-protection mechanism. Some don't want to be the carry because that would mean it's their own fault if they lost. As an Adc you're the lategame powerhouse. If you're not worried about missing out on resources, you're making your team 4v5, and it's unfair to them to hope they can compensate for your non-existence in the game.
I’d like to ask a question . As a sup main , I’m in emerald elo , I understand I have selfish builds I like. However I’m wondering do I ( HAVE ) to build grivious wounds as a tank . Even if 3-4 of the enemy team heals from w.e source . Or should I just let/ encourage team to build it ? My selfish reason is because I like my 103 ability haste build so lol
You don't have to do anything. But you better own whatever choice you make. As a supp, nobody gives a fk about your damage or slightly faster cooldowns. Of enemy has a good bit of healing and you force a teammate to take Grievous instead of being able to take a damage increase item, that's just stupid. But again, you play how you want. Own it.
@@drb4074 oh trust me I own it for sure I know my results in game , but of course some games I feel regardless I “should’ve “ built this or that . As a Leona and taric main and tank main in general , having my cd so low that I have Leona e and q up every 2.2 seconds for infinite cc is fighting in a team fight for peeling , follow up and securing kills as well as taric having a certain threshold of cc for a perfect rotation after q empowerment to stun again and ult timers , however I admit not all the cc is needed and I can throw in thornmail. I’m just obsessed with hitting certain numbers in different stats so lol but I usually do build it some time times. My champ win rates are around 60% or above and my overall win rate is 59%, so I feel what I’m doing is right or at least ( working so far ) but just wanted some clarity . Ty so much !
Do I overvalue towers and plates? Granted I would've recalled when Lucian refused, but I do suffer from the "my tower/plates can't get taken no matter what" syndrome and get really pressed mentally when they get taken.
I'm gonna call it at 0:00 (If this guy even aces back to back in the first place)this guy throws 1 death trying to 1v3,4, or 5 lategame where the respawn timer is like a minute long. And because he took all of the resources his team is going to be stomped and he's gonna wonder what went wrong because his macro is disgusting and he won't play around his team because of ego.
I think the system should not be able to place you above gold from your first placements. Like not before you have genuinely climbed to those plat+ ranks. Because there are quite a few people who have just genuinely had a HUGE lucky streak with their first placement games. They got the afks and trolls on the enemy team. Just free win after free win. Troll feeds them 20 kills and they win the games. They place in plat 1 and the algorithm of the system considers them a potential smurf. And then these people think they deserve that rank. They associate with it and build an ego around it. And as they naturally start falling down because they do not in fact understand the game of league at plat level, they absolutely lose their minds. They look everywhere and even make lizardmen conspiracies as the reason for their LP drop, rather than accept that they got placed way higher than they deserved, because of a lucky streak.
I'm only 8 minutes into the video but only looking at his opgg every single lose this guy has there is written: "Team disparity" on... Nobody commented that or nobody noticed, he also has a lot of MVP, ACEs and second/third places, which means he is generally one of the best players in the lobby according to opgg. This guy doesn't play like a bronze, he probably is Plat but i think that dropping this much elo made him scared so much of losing more that he is trying the hardest way to annhilate opponents and for this reason he is being greedy (doesn't reset and goes for over-aggressive plays when has a bounty on his head), i think that if he really can't stand the current situation and having to climb from bronze all the way up to plat i would consider for him to take a second account new and fresh and ranking from that until the season split resets, this way he can play with much less stress and he should just focus on getting better and stay poised, don't be scared to lose and be interested to make the correct move while you are playing, that's all you need to think about.
I remember one duo parter I had in silver,he was reallly good on putting preasure with Cait,he basically never lose a trade or a cs,he told me a few times he had plat mechanics,but the true is he never did a single good play outside the lane,he never kited well,never flashed ontime in teamfights,he basically refused if he was ahead as an adc he could lose the fight,it was very weird because he trully dominated the laning phase with good mechanics,he had amazing kda but once the lanning phase was over he just keept farming without a goal and never respected the enemys habilities in teamfights or duels,sure beacuse he was ahead sometimes he did a lot of damage or get kills but never was able to do it for winning the game. A lot players play league like is a fighting game,if you win 5 fights but don't push and the enemy keeps farming there is a point where if they just win 1 fight the game is over,so winning lane and fights and not being able to finish the game that means you are not very good at league of legends,if you are 23/0 and its min 40 that means you are unable to finish the game with a monstrous lead,thats a very concerning sign there is something you don't understand about the game, 3/0/5 with 80% of KP and forcing a surrender its what a dominant performance looks like. op gg MVPS doesn't mean much becuse of that,op gg values gold/damage..it doesn't value if you are just prolonging the game 20 minutes beacuse you are incapable of wiinning against bronzes,which if he trully was a plat he could easily do,although I think a plat player can also play like this,just refusing to play for the win and play for kda. But then he wouldn't cry about it,he just could play to destroy the nexus.
This player's mental is so weak that their ability to play the game can't ever be consistently applied. They need to work on themselves and how they perceive the game.
ok paused at 1:20. gonna guess why he 24 kills didn't win him the game. I don't even know what role yet. first. he wasn't actually 24 kills up. Something in a general ball park of 3kill then die 3 kills then die and repeat. Classic kda bait. you kill 3 people worth 100 gold then die giving up a 300 gold bounty plus 300 kill gold your actually down 300 gold in the exchange. Not all kills are considered equal. You can have 24 kills and actually be down in relative gold or your lead isn't no where near as big as you thought. Secondly over respecting low priority targets. he is gonna go top to kill an inting top laner trying to split push thus making (x) gold respond to (x/2) gold making the split push worth it because (x) gold wasn't even in the team fight at dragon or something. thirdly, just waisting time. moving in effeciently not able to put that gold to use. dieing at an inhib tower while the team went to dragon. Maybe you could have takin that inhib, but the team choose dragon the enemy respawned and your 1v2ing or more for an inhib tower that you die and ended up not getting when you could have just taken dragon. A masterfully executed poor plan is better than a poorly executed masterful plan. Gold means nothing if its dead. it also means nothing if it doesn't manage to help achieve anything. it also means nothing if someone can force you to repond to less valuable play than your gold is worth. update at about 4:20 route cause is probably one of those 3 topics mentioned previously
5:03 he is lieing to himself, he literally said you was only playing 1 champions, warding more, focusing on himself. the very first thing we look at say he is lieing to himself. he is literally playing ornn, kled, hiemer, yorick. his match history i am seeing lucian, i am seeing aurora, sol, kennen. Im seeing 4 champs with a relatively high number of games played, and an additional 4 just in the last few matches. Can't help a guy who is gonna lie to himself to validate his feelings, end of review, come back when you really want to learn the game and want to stop lieing to yourself.
I sit through all these and WILL apply these, can i send you guys some stuff to review? Im not of the mentality that im super good, i had an old account which i climbed up to plat YEARS ago, and came back a few weeks ago to take it more serious and really get better, so your guys review would indeed geneuinely help me, i am a jg main who plays Nidalee mainly with 1 or 2 other picks occasionally. I also do like gwen top as a secondary position just in case. If you guys are willing to instead of reviewing just a person that is super toxic and thinks they are amazing and instead want to review someone that is more in the mindset of "im not that great right now but will be because im trying to genuinely get to the next level" let me know.
I think that this player checks a lot of boxes on a player who doesn't understand how to play clean and protect bounties. I'm sure going 12/10 doesn't feel as bad a score line to lose on, but expecting to climb with those k/ds is insane.
the argument with "keeping players' ranks down to sell more skins" is so out there, there's never any data suggesting lower-ranked players spend more money on skins. if anything, riot would make climbing easier so more people are happy and eager to spend money
1:20:00 I didn't get the part about overstaying. He had nothing to do in base - he's full hp and built his items on the go. It's his teammates who overextended and died 1v3 each. How would a run from base help?
Because talking shit and nitpick on details after a fact is very easy to do. Even i could do that on my own replays. Curtis and the boys have a job to do respecting the formula they have to sustain on their podcast. Alltough the philosophy/and the way of thinking is good to keep improving yourself and get bettter together with keeping your sanity to keep playing. Denying/ignoring the major flaws in this game and matchmaking is also a pretty naive and dangerous thing to do. I`m also really annoyed on how they have some kind of bullying way to talk about things that happen in a game and fluxuate from seeing positive things and mentioning it and immediately say they also make the same mistakes. I respect curtis because he corrected himself and defended me and stayed objective. Also Nathan was fair and objective. Charlie on the other hand is a problem.This kid is young and obviously a bully talking in a condescending way and not really pointing things out that will give you a positive perspective on your play. I would not spend one dime letting that prick coach me in that way. These dumb little laughs and searching and force mentioning mistakes and gameplay to compensate for his own trauma is in a bullying way is really sad to me. This video helped me to get back where i was. It gave me sanity and perspective again. I know this game and i know everything they talked about. But allot of flawes, inbalance and toxic players can destroy your mental en forget where you are at. Tilt destroys allot. I`m silver II again and climbing to gold again pretty easy while they claim i`m a bronze player to make some kind of pretentious statement. Their argument about peaking somewhere and that it doesnt mean anything is pretty much bullshit to me. From bronze to plat 1 and needed 1 win for emerald is full 3 three tiers up. Thats not luck. Thats proof you can be there. Thats proof you have the skills to be there. I don`t like to talk down on things to make myself look better or to get views on a podcast. Curtis, Nathan and that other revenge of the nerds mf are doing something good guys. And that is keep trying to focus on yourself and improve. It helped me. But this game still has allot of flaws and the matchmaking and allot of people wil ruin your games! Don`t ignore that but try to build around it! Thats what the goal is. Be the difference. thats all you can do.
its interesting you mention his teammates dying but dont mention how he could have contributed. If ornn is not there for that herald play, is the likelihood that akali and nocturne overpush lower or higher? Lower of course. Akali might not have died. Now picture the scenario where he recalls, and has priority to push bot and is ready with his TP. You would have less randomness and higher percentage plays. Fundamentals are the most important thing and you should try to follow them as best you can even if you dont have the full picture in the moment.These challenger players make assessments based off of these fundamentals even if they cant always articulate it because following them generally leads to good things. Here are a few things to keep in mind. When you recall, you: 1. replenish resources 2. buy items. 3. TELL YOUR TEAMMATES you are not going to help. 4. incentivize your teammates to recall. 5. Get priority on the next important thing(drake, turrets, vision). in other words, you're there first with your strongest self. delaying a recall also delays your strongest self, even with Ornn but even more so with other champs. Points 3-5 are often overlooked and are what causes a lot of randomness in games. Him being there for a herald play tells his team that its okay to go for that play. its looks scarier if hes not there. Him recalling might have pushed them to do the same. We dont know if this would have helped in this game, but one thing is a FACT. You being there increases the percentage that teammates will go for a play. You not being there reduces it. By how much depends on the elo. but over time, this adds up and makes a difference whether you realize it or not. Also, not to get granular or anything but imagine if he recalls right after that top play and pushes bot. Is draven more or less likely to catch mid? much more likely. Draven sees that ornn is mid and goes top which is NOT good. You can see draven walking through river to get mid but sees ornn taking the wave and goes top. He dies to Viego in that same sequence. In that same sequence, Senna tries to help the Draven then ends up covering top. all which was influenced by Ornn. Im sure you dont need me to explain why draven and senna being top is terrible for the game. Whether they are good teammates is not the point of focus here. its the fact that Ornn is oftentimes making them play worse. Not only that, Ornn himself is not getting stronger or applying pressure because of his decisions.
@@JerryReyes it seems, you are saying that lane assignments were wrong. But still, it's not clear to me that doing less is the solution. Point 5 - he gets more tempo by not recalling.
@@L3sVo you reek of ego and all of your essay comments are cope, you're just lying to yourself to validate the already terrible mental you had. Why even bother sending vods to the boys if this is how you respond lmao, you got a lot of growing up to do and it has nothing to do with League.
Yo guys talked about a great website for replays sorted by champs. It was a few months ago. cant find the link or the name in my search history. What’s the name again 🙈
NGL the moment you said he switched roles i turned off mu investigative brain…on sett i know i am low plat high gold but if i don’t only play sett im not gonna be there
I don't have anything to say on the gameplay, but it feels like you get somewhat lost in guessing the mindset. You guessed he is playing early focused because he doesn't think he can win in the midle-late game and that he doesn't think the early game is important because he only looks at the late game fights.
if you go from platinum to bronze in one season, you were never platinum to begin with, you are a bronze player who got lucky, but you are still a bronze player no matter how you look at it.
Not true. It's easy to forget the correct things you did that pulled out of those lower elos and keep stuck there until you reorganize your gameplay and skyrocket back to your peek elo.
@@sidneyw.mathiasdeoliveira8621not to that degrrr, you might fluctuate a rank but a legit plat player simply will not just randomly drop to bronze while playing consistently
Bro after like 2 minutes I allready have to comment. How does he go to Plat 1 and then to bronze? Did he duo like that should be impossible. I go from silver to diamond with 90% wr consistently and then the moment i hit my skillevel i instantly go to 50ish%
Meh. If you are consistently the "ACE" in your losses, I wouldn't worry about it. You'll be blessed with better teammates eventually and if you can maintain the same performance you'll get easy wins. Remember the 40/30/30 rule. You'll then climb to a level where you won't be the "ACE" in every single one of your losses. You might even actively contribute to these losses. That's when you'll know you've hit your real rank. And that's where you stop blaming your teammates and do some introspection to up your game and climb further.
Statistics (which are calculated to determine the MVP and the ACE) tell at most half of the story. League is a game of decisions. Make good decisions and you win more games. Stats are often misleading when it comes to finding the things that hold you back from performing better the most. Hoping for better teammates doesn't make you a better player. And becoming a better player is the whole point of ranked. The 30/40/30 rule says the opposite of what you are talking about. It says that, over a long enough period of time, you'll autowin and autoloose an equal amount of games, so the only thing that matters is your performance. You, and only you, are the difference between a 30 % winrate and a 70 % winrate. That's what the 30/40/30 rule says. I personally think that it's closer to 40/20/40, because you're one of five players and 20 % is 1/5, but the point remains the same.
@@Zevrael If you are consistently the ACE in your losses, it means you are mechanically better than most people in your games. It means you're killing them more, getting killed less, and farming more. If you are still losing due to bad decisions, it means that your teammates are so garbage that they can't bail you out whenever you slip up. It means they are still useless despite the gold you've contributed to the team. It also means that if you've just had a single human teammate, you would have won that game. Would a better player carry those games? Of course. Will you climb faster if you put in the work to improve? Yes. But will you eventually climb by just being mechanically better than your peers without working on your decision-making? Also yes.
@@AphroVenator But why choose the longer, more luck-reliant path, when you can also put concentrated effort into a hobby you care enough about to play competitively?
@@Zevrael A lot of people don't want to make the effort to improve and just want to go into games and auto-pilot. However, if you're clearly stuffing the stats sheets despite auto-piloting, it likely means that you're better than people at your MMR, regardless of wins and losses. That's why I empathize (a little bit) when these players blame their teammates. Why is it their responsibility to *over-perform* to carry those games? Why can't their teammates just farm a little bit better? Die a little less? The ask you put on those "ACEs" is bigger than the ask you put on their teammates. These "ACEs" should be able to reach their "natural" rank without expending more effort than usual. There's a reason the same player can create a new account and sit at a higher rank despite not making changes to their game.
The underlying issue is that the vast majority of streaming personalities use the excuses the low elo players repeat. You'll see high elo or general elo streamers blame their team mates, blame the system, blame champions, blame balance -- Monkey see, monkey hear, monkey say - monkey do. The player base will not change until the personalities that children consume change.
No. Turn them off. Worry about how it affects YOU. Leave others to do what thye want. Improving is YOUR choice. The others might not want to improve. They have braons and can make theor own choice.
Why are you putting so much emphasis on the H. Hate ch P?? Also correct play here is complete the back and come to lane with item advantage. He will never get push going vs a sivir.
I do think corporate side of riot is a cancer, look at the skin releases and champ releases for the past few years. I don't think it overtly has infected the ranked ladder, but the general malaise for the game has been exacerbated by all of the chat and ping restrictions, i got a warning for breaking the ice and asking my team if they got any b*tches at the beginning. People get all conspiratorial about riot but there is valid concerns i stated above along with the power creep of new champions and updated champions vs old ones. I just played a game in d3-d2 where my jungle elise was 5/0 and threw the game to a 1/3 belveth and she was just so useless with that big of a lead.
Idk man maybe you shouldnt be saying slurs at a game? Has happened to me, i tend to use those kinds of expressions jokingly but still got chat restricted. Yet, id rather have that than letting actually toxic people slip by so it really is fine.
@@rammycanales3784 I agree if its chat restrictions. I don't think anyone should get banned for chat transgressions except for extreme cases like doxxing, hate speech, advocating for violence etc. There is an insane amount of ppl that cycle through new accounts and smurf through lower ranks because of how easily they hand out bans and make low elo games lower quality for people who are new. I don't really type much, but the fact that I can't even make a joke (b*tches is not a slur) and get ppl to loosen up and relax is dumb. Riot does everything they can to disincentivize interacting with your teammates or the other team. These people have been making new accounts or buying accounts for years and nothing is going to stop them, theres an unbelievable amount of people on their double digit number account.
you can literally just mute people, if they're toxic no reason for ban imo, just mute like literally look away from the monitor its not real they dont exist and riot has increasingly given players the tools to make players not exist over the years yet they still hand out bans like crazy for chat transgressions. Just for them to make new accounts and ruin low elo games while they speed through and smash noobs
I've been stuck with sense of dread whenever I play league. You said something at the end involving the butterfly effect and I don't know how to deal with players not knowing how crucial their decisions are to the game. And i don't mean that to blame my teammates, I just want to know how to handle those situations that arise from a constant stream of poor decisions
The only constant in your games is you. Everything your teammates do will also happen on the enemy team, because matchmaking is fair. Anything but your own performance does not matter for your ranked journey in the long term. All that matters is your performance. Everything else equals out.
You reset and recalibrate what you need to do, as the game state changes. Yes, you ARE blaming teammates. First step is admitting that. It's wrong think. If you can't admit it, you won't progress. Second, you have to let it go. After a bad play, you have to put it out of your mind and reassess what you can or need to do NOW. It's a difficult skill. But if you don't acknowledge it and work at it, you'll be tilted by bad play and never right the ship.
@@drb4074 thank you so much, I will put this into practice. I feel like through trying to improve so desperately, I've lost the ability to assess my decisions as being poor cause their are larger ones being made around me. Try to remove that lens entirely
I've seen this guys replies on here and its clear hes just a toxic person. Its a good lesson for other players though: get out of the childish mentally that everything wrong is someone else fault. Handle your part and focus on what YOU can do better. The idea that only YOU get people running it down and inting on your team is rediuclous. There will always be some element of that, but it is equally distributed to the enemy team as well. You are just feeding into it instead of moving the gamestate forward where you can. If your 0/10 Yasuo is dieing alone in bot lane, go take a tower in top. Yasuo is worth 1 minion of gold and their tower has a bounty. If youre in bronze (after a good sample size of games), you belong there until you improve your gameplay.
The last time I saw something like that I somehow had a true level 5 player in my game in a norm. He was kept to 11 CS until 10 minutes cuz of how hard i was killing him. I actually felt a little bad for him.
guys I actually am curious I don't want to be rude or anything but, does someone have to learn this good wave management in order to get out of bronze? like, shouldn't it be easier to get out of bronze?
You need to be an average player to get out of Bronze. But it's not recommended to think like that. If you're in Bronze, you likely have much to learn about all of the champions in the game, including your main. Once you have a rough idea about what every champion in the game does and know very well how your champion works (including standard items and runes), it's time to learn the basics of your lane and how your champion interacts with minion waves and the champions it faces in the 1v1 matchup (or basic pathing, sequencing, and ganking for junglers). That is what it takes to be a silver player.
I think that you guys still analyze a low elo game from a high elo perspective. I can see how that little moments reviewing is super helpful when the game is played to a very high level, but I also feel like you don’t climb out of bronze (I’ve done it and been there in the same frustration pool so many times I can’t even count) by focusing on very little things like wave to wave but on overall win cons. I don’t know, I think the process has to adapt from high elo to low elo, to make players like myself understand what nets you wins in terms of consistency is not the super micro stuff but: 1) champ mastery 80% and 2) overall win con knowledge, as in the easiest way to win each game and the most exploitable weaknesses of every enemy comp 20%. That’s what feels like it shifted for me and I was able to speed out of bronze.
It's all the little things adding up. It might seem small by itself, but if not corrected your matches will be inconsistent. An individual twig can be snapped with ease. But 100 twigs together is much more difficult to break. Sweat the details. They matter.
@@drb4074 I don’t quite think they do as much in bronze, mate. That’s my point. I think understanding your champ really well and how to win with your champ is way more important. Speaking from experience: reviewing games obsessively with small details in such a low level of play will not contribute to a winning mindset, but only breed frustration. I think you can start correcting the little things later simply bc the game is not played to a high level. Now, there are in the video fundamentals they talk about, but imo it gets lost in the sauce of “let’s review this very carefully.” Like not treading in a pushing wave against you is WAY more impactful than a micro analysis of movement in bronze. That’s my point. And if you review games with attention to everything in low level, you just get in your own head.
@@leorikh You're just wrong here, doing the little things right produces an insurmountable lead for yourself, it's the best way to carry in low elo. After 10 minutes of clean laning you've got so much gold and xp over your opponent that you can play pretty poorly and just statcheck your way to a victory.
@@kkdj20I just don’t agree at all. You can have mega leads in low elo and still lose bc of fundamentals and understanding your win con. You are assuming that a bronze player can get cleaned up to a plat/emerald player to consistently carry low elo. There are ppl who get to high elo just on mechanics. I think laning super well helps ofc but you only see smurfs carry that lead consistently. But yea your point makes sense if you assume one can become a plat player liken that and I think that big fundamentals are much more key to win low elo than these clean up details that will matter A LOT higher up in the ladder.
I'm sorry but if you think his problem is to ping his team back. ok. if he stay's back and does that, the team die's and goes "don't play bot side". Now you just lost dragon control. just saying you got to think how low elo players think..... this isn't plat + ego/game understanding, in silver and under people will just afk after pinging them.
The biggest thing that helped me get to emerald was just realizing the game is about resources vs kills and dominating Low elo is a bloodbath every game and inherently coinflip If I'm jungling Every gromp I steal is a 180 gold swing I get that gold and they don't Every wave you crash is the same thing And it's higher percentage. Contest a early drake with a big coinflip team fight? Or take grubs and his top camps Easy answer there
I see Pianta starting to struggle at Gold with troll builds and intentionally playing with dubious strategies. That makes me think he could secure every game if he applied all his skills
I agree with almost everything, BUT the rank system should never put you off more than 1 rank( like average silver 4 and peak is gold 4 ) bronze and platinum is super far away it is mentally bad for seeing it, it is demoralizing to feel that I do the same thing (+- 10%) and and the same time fell off so much, so for sure the rank system was a bit off, if you able to peak plat 1 then your level should be at least gold 1 or plat 4 when the system is good, and when you are at gold1 level, probably you will win 60%+ vs bronze players ( should at least if you play around your average level ). So I think he made a lot of mistakes for sure, but for me the origin of the problem is the incorrect peak, I don’t feel like the gameplay was that good, to see as plat 1 ( which is still full of mistakes, and I am E4 so I hover around that, so I have seen a lot, and I do a lot of mistakes myself too)
@@Zevrael Kinda true, but not always, I swapped to mid a few years ago from adc, and I immediately( from middle season till the end of the season, around 3-6 months ) climbed, maybe my skillset was better suited already for mid ( I love one vs 1 and the punish game, which is harder in 2vs2 IMO, more variables) but I can comfortably say, that I can play all lanes at plat 4-3 level at least as an e4 midlaner ( because of laneing fundamentals) ( jg maybe not, that is way different). Either way, I don't think that you should have a 1200 Lp difference between your peak and actual rank, that is way too much, and Emerald screwed a lot of things in the rank system As a bonus Riot themselves have already spoken about some ranked system mistakes and errors already for example the new accounts started at plat-gold. As for me, I think Leagues rank system works okayish most of the time especially if you have 200+ games, but there is some weird stuff too ( I think it is happening more in the last few years than before), and that sucks when it happens to you, ( mentally it is worse that you peak high and fall down than peak closer to your actual level, then the goal is easier to reach, then so on with small steps. That is what I meant "broken" system) I think Peaking more then 200-300 lp higher than your skill level is a double edge sword, it feels good when you reach it, and extremely frustrating when you get back at your level( usually lower, because you play worse, when you are angry and frustrated). And for clarity, it is normal to get worse after role swapping, but a true plat1 player will not fall back to bronze 1, at least that should not be possible ( ok yuumi otp changes to play some extremely weak inmobile toplaner is an outliner, but you know...) in this case peak plat1 skill level plat 4( ish) after role swapp gold4- silver1, that would be normal I think. Open to a good discussion about it.
I find it interesting that people always ignore the way ranked systems intrinsically work. There is a ranked distribution, a certain % of the player base MUST be Bronze etc for the system to work. In order for one person to move up, someone else has to move down. After a certain point, fundamentals aren't enough. Games this old do in fact reach a point where the average skill level of even the lower end players is so high that you have to do something special to stand out in order to climb at all and the reality is that ranked systems are designed to push everyone towards a 50% winrate by matching everyone with players of equal skill. People might be a little delusional in their ranked conspiracies about being held down intentionally, but most of what they say about the system isn't entirely false. The system does in fact keep people in bronze intentionally. It has to. That's how ranked systems work.
The system doesn't need to push players towards a 50 % winrate. That's just what naturally happens if you match them with other players of equal skill.
You have some facts right but youre drawing the wrong conclusions from them. While the player skill increases over time, it doesnt increase to the point that fundamentals aren't enough. This is the biggest cope. Players at the bottom don't necessarily increase in skill level. These players typically dont play often and many times get WORSE over time from rust, lack of practice, or not being adaptable enough for an evolving game/different metas. Its also easier to form new habits than to break old ones. The longer a player plays this game, the more habits they form. If they're low elo, its likely that a majority of those habits are bad. You might have an overall increase in mechanics and super basics (like catching waves) but anyone with actual good fundamentals or actual mechanics above bronze/iron will climb above that rank with ease. I would argue that the biggest improvements have been made by the mid and high elo playerbases. Not bronze/iron. Bronze is better now, because Iron was added but the bottom 10% of the playerbase isn't that much better now than it was 3 years ago. The improvements made in this elo are very You're not including new players as a variable. If youre at the bottom of the ranking ladder, new players should offset that small increase in overall player skill level since the vast majority of new players go to the bottom of the ladder and not elsewhere. Can I ask whats the point of saying "the system does in fact keep people in bronze intentionally"? You acknowledge that its a ladder, for someone to move up someone must move down. Then where is the intentionality coming from? Why are you making this argument? You're saying, if youre in the bottom 10%, then the system is intentionally keeping you in the bottom 10%. Yeah, of course. If youre in the top 10% you're emerald. and if youre in emerald youre in the top 10%. It seems circular but youre bringing it up for a reason. When people make the argument that they are being kept in bronze what they are saying is that CERTAIN people are kept in bronze. But you refute that when you say when one person goes up another goes down. Im also curious as to why youre making the point that the system is designed to push everyone to a 50% wr. its strange that you bring it up after you said that you have to do something special to climb and that fundamentals arent enough. You seem to be encouraging a defeatist attitude but your explanation of how ranked systems work doesnt support that. 1. if the system matches you with similarly skilled opponents than all you need to do is improve slightly to win against those opponents (and climb) 2. If the ranks are based off of percentages, then you simply have to be better than certain people to climb.
league is actually an if-then condition game. Asking lots of what ifs and remember the results. If the something didnt work out its because it wouldnt work out most of the time.
This can lead you into results based analysis. Just because you won a fight doesn't mean it was a good fight to take. If you base future decisions on that, you'll sooner or later end up betting on your opponents messing up instead of playing clean League of Legends yourself.
The tech is to actually send a super powerfully angry email and pretend like you’re super pissed so that they do a case study on you and you get 8 free VOD reviews
5Head
Me: leaves spawn fountain
BBC: “i mean this here, this is an end of review play right here”
You know it's gonna be a BANGER case study when we get a trigger warning off rip!
He said niger warning
I`m the guy,
I have some points about some things that were said.
#1 i didn`t handpick the replays to only show the good games. All these replays were in the last 5 to 10 games i played.
Doing that would be very childish and stupid to do.
You and me will not learn anything from it.
#2 the things i do sometimes like freezing to long or staying to long are just because i tilt too fast (for example having a poppy support basically running it down and not being in lane at all) and a team flaming each other. I know that my mental/patience with the things around me is just weak. I get mad too fast.
I let my environment get the best of me.
#3 I`ve never been on reddit in my life..
#4 I watched the whole video a couple of times and certainly have to balls to do this and be self critical.
I actually like the video and learned something.
Thank you for being respectable and objectively telling me/us what goes wrong.
Also mentioning the positive things in my play is appreciated.
I can actually place what u say together with what i`m thinking in these game and do something with it.
I learned,
I have to play more consistent (the consistency i lose because every time I'm tilted out of my mind allready)
Not every time i see a kill, i should take it depending on the state of the game (calculate the risks)
Keeping my lead/bounty.
Wave management.
Reset and transitioning in the game.
In a nutshell it is just consistency and keeping my lead.
I keep trying to clean up the mess around me and ruin my own impact on the game by bringing water to the ocean while getting mad things get flooded.
I`m not the best player in the world.
I have flaws.
The reason i send you my email is exactly what you guys say.
I was frustrated, tilted and confused indeed.
And wanted to some professional opinion on my faults.
I`d like to apologize for my language i used in this mind state.
Thanks again guys.
I appreciate it very much.
Cheers.
You know what, this is a pretty mature response... I think you do have some talent for the game, if you can sort out your mentality towards league, you could really have fun and see massive improvement. It's not easy tho, and if it feels like league is just not good for you, quitting would be the best thing to do for your personal life. I wish you the best of luck!
Thats cool to hear. But saying u are ignorant of the fundamentals of the game, bcuz u are tilting is just an excuse bruv. When i first started playing the game in high school, i used to rage like crazy.. I used to yell and even scream often and get triggered by anything and everything in the chat as well. Its hard to focus and think, obviously u arent in that kind of state. But i still was gold, i was never bronze xd Do u think u are the only person that tilts that play league? U are missing way too many fundamentals, that shouldnt even be thought about. Should be second nature. Then comes consistency.
@@blazinwind1091 i'm not really here to argue. Or to compare myself with people like you are doing now. I'm saying, and allot of people most of the time do stupid shit when frustrated or angry. You dont have to deny that and at the same time start saying what i can or can't do. So chill out homy. I think the note of this video and my response make it pretty clear what the deal is. No need for oil on the fire.
Cheers dude. I hope you manage to make it work and get learning! Really brave to put yourself out there and take it all in as is.
Mental goes sp far tbh, i webt from emerald to being mid diamond euw for a few months after fixing my mindset abt league, understanding that you don’t need to carry n stuff. Mental has been boomed again tho so I demoted a fair bit and I need to fix it again😅
Itd be cool to see a case study of someone that had climbed and see an example of the difference in their gameplay from bronze silver gold plat and see what the difference actually looks like from rank to rank.
that actually happend to me, i was bronze and climbed to plat in 2 weeks, then got to emerald.
i can tell you the difference is massive.
@@zoharllera1696 I personally did not notice that I actually got better, until I got onto another account in the elo I was stuck in and then i realized it lol
@@zoharllera1696 send them the games
@@zoharllera1696eh not really. The difference in skill in league is very very minimal compared to other games. People in bronze iron, silver actually know how to use their keyboards, they do flash combos, freeze, play with gank timers, etc. They do very small basic mistakes and thats what makes them lower rank. Stuff like throwing their lead, fighting at dumb times, getting caught out and collapsed on, not diving towers as much, supports not knowing how to roam properly etc.
If i was to sum it up, low elos know the fundamental and will mimic them, and higher elos FUNDAMENTALLY understand the fundamentals and exploit them in unique ways. Thats the only difference. And really, its because this game is so old. All the rules have been cracked.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin I dont think that's right. In league, the base mechanics are way easier fundamentaly compared to other games. In a shooter game, you can see in 1 seconde that someone is low level, by the way they move their crosshair or the way they walk around. In league, a lot of low level players seem like they know what they're doing because they got their mechanics down, they can do flash combos etc. But the thing is, the strategy and gamesens is what they lack. So it's not the "small stuff" that get people stuck in bronze, it's the complete opposite actually, it's the big picture.
The skill difference between ranks is massive.
I'm primarily an audio listener but I had to come to the comments here to thank you guys for your great audio commentary for a very visual-heavy episode. I think you all (especially the guest) did a really amazing job narrating the play-by-play moments and painting the picture so I could clearly understand what was happening without even seeing it. Love your work! Keep it up guys!
It's so funny how this guy says he "stopped caring about teammates" then immediately calls them tomato IQ idiots. He's clearly lying to himself because he's not doing even half the stuff he claims he's doing to improve while just expecting to win because he climbed to platinum one time.
99% of people who hit platinum or better, don't just randomly start losing to bronze and silver players because the meta is different, unless they have zero mental and rage queue all day.
It's the classic ego thinking of "I'm better than all these noobs. If they would just play like me and listen to me then we would win." These kinds of people play super over confidently and make so many mistakes they used to not make assuming that the "bad players" won't be able to punish them.
you can easily rage queue down 400 mmr or more. But also every one cares about team mates whihc is one of the nitpicks I have with the BBC. Team mates will never stop you from climbing but they can make your climb unfun. Pretty sure Ive listened to these guys talk about Meta affecting your rank. Its widely consider to affect your rank if you have a small sample size, id probably say less than 3 seasons. If you played some of the outliers in the meta your rank can easily get inflated. But over a large enough sample size pretty much impossible because you would have to pick up and drop champs every 3 months or so which means you probably have a good baseline/are just good at the game after learning different champs.
@@youtubeacc69469 My main point is that meta changes and stuff aren't going to make a good player suddenly turn into a bad player.
stop talking about me
funny how virtually everyone who claims they DONT CARE turns out to be the one who cares. often, the most, even
Tbh this is the only time ive heard of someone doing that at all let alone fall all the way back down to bronze in 1 split lmao
Maybe see a therapist 😂
When I heard him say he hit Plat 1 but somehow dropped to BRONZE - I knew this was going to be an amazing episode.
Yeah there's no way this guy even peaked bronze without being duo or carried. He farms poorly
@@brotendo It is possible, the system is or was just broken specially when emerald was introduced, I have a friend o does not even understand basics and he is in plat for two seasons now.
@@brotendo Ive had seasons back when I was consistantly like bronze 1, where at the beginning of the season I just randomly got into Gold 1 after placements.
No good reason why, just got lucky. It def happens, and isnt impossible you get a lucky streak. But holding it is what proves the rank, not attaining it for a game or so lel.
@@Uri6060 Yes but Plat 1 is a different story. You don't get placed there and you don't lucky streak there from getting placed in Gold.
how did he get to bronze??? if he was plat 1 lol? does he only play for KDA? and not objs? lmao
Welcome Charlie! Great to see you on again!
I liked a lot what the new guy said during the vod reviews, really good info.
The idea of “need to get ahead in the early game” really resonated with me. I need to learn that in some matchups going even in cs *is* winning.
It's not even necessarily that. The main goal is to play low-risk, high-percentage League, because that's what makes it repeatable, consistent, and reliable. Just note that this doesn't mean playing passive, but in accordance with your champion's identity and the role you need to fill in a particular game.
If you jungle full clear twice before ganking in low elo.
Most jungles fail a gank early in low mmr
They're on 24 or 28 cs and you're already at like 40 or more which is at minimum a longsword or amp time advantage. Then go find a neutral to do.
Some games you will get burned if they get a kill but on average you're ahead and higher tempo early
Even if they get a kill normally their lane and them back you go clean the wave up or your lane tps back and it's close to experience neutral
@@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429 horrible advice
People ask why they have tomato IQ teammates, but don't ask why they're in tomato IQ elo.
@@bangadzakaran5564 illusory superiority (cognitive bias)
@@bangadzakaran5564 sadly u are biased, if you would be playing as a low masters u would also see how big the gap is between d1 and low masters...funny how people have this high ego at all ranks
Wdym? u complaining about ur teammates is not something new, just because u are d1 u think that u are more special? That's what an emerald or bronze would also think, that it's the team fault. Wdym what is the point? The point is that once u begin thinking like that --> is the moment u stop improving as a player. And my point is that if you would be higher skill leveld u would stomp ur laner then u would make ur lead help everyone else in ur team, i don't get it. I truly don't get how a d1 like u can think like a bronze to low diamond player
@@bangadzakaran5564 what are you doing that keeps you in the same mmr as these people? if the answer is 'idk', then there you have your answer. you are just as clueless.
lack of self awareness. just look at how he claims he DOESNT CARE (about rank) yet his emotional state, him typing an essay, and him explicitly asking advise to CLIMB back shows everything other than not caring
as an adc the lucian reviews were INCREDIBLY helpful thank you
Just wanted to say that you guys reeeally helped me.
Ever since I started watching these videos about a month ago, I’ve gone from being stuck between Iron 2 and Bronze 4 to Silver 3 with a 56% win rate. Love the work you guys do!
Really enjoyed Charlie's perspectives and insights, it's easy to tell he's very knowledgeable about the game and learning process
I love these case study episodes!!!
NEW CASE STUDY EP LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO
I would say the primary learnings from these case studies are the pitfalls people succumb to, so we can be vigilant in avoiding them. Because nobody is immune.
Case study episodes are the best! From problem (visuals) to point, rather than point by point episodes.
Would love to hear a deep dive on tank players or support players (more of a supportive role) on how they climb vs meta/carry champs!
I think its important to note that Im that first sequence in the first game, once the Lillia missed her E the play was already done, fizz had no ult as well. At that moment he should of backed off already. There is no world where they realisticly get a kill there
33:20 if you support isn't doing anything for vision control sometimes you gotta buy a pink ward as ADC.
That Briar tower dive was some retail store level money laundering, buying a lollypop with 1000 dollars. Especially giving that fat shutdown to VIEGO of all champs, that's like the biggest end of review you could go for at this moment of the game.
Great video guys, love seeing Charlie on the couch once more!
@@smappa849 Imagine breaking your little toe in a game when your whole team are killing themselves doing dumb shit and ruining everything and u still blame yourself.
Pretty delusional right.
Yeah u will get better with that mindset pushing yourself. But the reality is pretty obvious.
If you get an ace score as a tank support, you know what kind of team u had.
Allot of things are just out of your controll
@@L3sVo I agree that you can go too far in taking responsibility, but if I were to compare that tower dive death to bodily injury, that's like breaking your back while everything else is going on.
Some games you can't even afford to stub that toe and win, and this mindset just helps to not go off rails and confused why we lose those games.
I had a similar problem where I was winning lane well and consistently, but wouldn’t group up/help teammates at the proper time. It’s one of those grey areas where yes you want to play for yourself to carry, but then carrying entails putting your teammates on your back too.
These have got to be some of my favorite of your videos! I’m ready 😂
Great episode as always, really cool to see Charlie on the podcast again!
how the hell do you go from plat 1 to bronze?? did he decide to cut off his hand or something
I have no idea i stayed in diamond until i quit after being silver for 2 seasons and i know plat is peak bullshit and toxicity but ive never heard of that period
Much less in one split 😂
Also the reason i quit is i got nightblue on my team 3 games in a row
The Charlie episodes are my favorite. He’s so intelligent and well spoken.
all i’m saying is i’m gonna be a case study one day lol
Fantastic episode. Thanks guys and love seeing Charlie on the couch
"you should put that in the ornn guide" lol
I didnt send that email but i feel that dude completely 😂😂
Honey wake up new case study just dropped!
Laughed so hard when you guys flamed nathan for skipping the vod to mid game
I can relate to this player. I got to Platinum 4 and got demoted to Silver 1. Just around the time when riot made changes where they took between 25 to 50 LP when you demoted. I ended up uninstalling for 2 months.
2nd honest question: This season I randomly lost 47 lp dropping me out of S3. Normal Lp loss was 28 and gain was 24. I just told myself It was a glitch and moved on.
A week later I played against a fantastic WW top laner. His roams, teleports, wave control for objective fights, tracking jungler clears to set invades and teleports were fantastic. He was using his q to consistently mitigate hard CC and latch onto intuition flashes. Going through his mobalytics he would consistently MVP his team. I then noticed his lp was -30 on loss and +17 on a win. I also saw, while he was still in gold, they lost 63 lp while normalized was 24/24 split. On that game he was the only one with a positive kd and decent cs. Good vis score as well. The math isn't mathing. Can this be explained somehow?
Bro, this doesn't matter like at all for your climb.
And LP loss and gains can't be normal, they differ from game to game and player to player and they are base on your hidden mmr and lobby medium mmr. But that doesn't matter either way
Currently dealing with this rn, this video was very helpful :D
Honest question: I had a long standing account since 2015. 1st season I made silver and normalized the next 3 seasons hovering around in gold. On the next season I noticed I was losing alot more Lp on a loss than I was gaining on a win. After the first month I started keeping track of the numbers. Over the course of 3 months I had a -64% lp ratio with a average 62% win rate. Math wasn't mathing so I gave up on the account and started a new one.
new account won't change anything in terms of improving and climbing. You might get lucky on new acc and peak a bit higher then ususal, but you will eventually drop to you current skill lvl elo
"No one's gonna think their teammates are amazing and they're the problem"
Except me. I think I'm so bad that I'll give my team all the resources instead of trying to be strong myself and follow all their calls because they are probably way smarter than me.
Which then leads to my team having no functioning ADC and then everyone is confused how we lose teamfights
Just play ivern jungle at that point
That’s a stupid and bad way to play ADC tho. I would switch roles and play support or a tank jungle if you don’t change your mentality
having no ego is just as bad as having a huge ego.
the matchmaking system is fair, your are good enough to be a factor in your own games.
yeah league is crazy complicated, and you will definilty make massive mistakes by taking control.
But you will gain more from being proactive than what you will lose.
Have faith in your play.
That's the opposite of how you learn the game amigo, you gotta make the calls and make the big dick plays, then learn from when you fail miserably. I know it sounds harsh but that's really just the way to do it imo, the more control you take over the game the more you'll fail - and the more failures you'll have to learn from. Vod review can do very little for you if there's no plays to analyze
I obviously have no clue who you are as a person, but I had the same issue, and still have to some degree. Check whether it's an ego-protection mechanism. Some don't want to be the carry because that would mean it's their own fault if they lost.
As an Adc you're the lategame powerhouse. If you're not worried about missing out on resources, you're making your team 4v5, and it's unfair to them to hope they can compensate for your non-existence in the game.
8:37 "He's gotten chunked, Sivir-ly chunked"
I’d like to ask a question . As a sup main , I’m in emerald elo , I understand I have selfish builds I like. However I’m wondering do I ( HAVE ) to build grivious wounds as a tank . Even if 3-4 of the enemy team heals from w.e source . Or should I just let/ encourage team to build it ? My selfish reason is because I like my 103 ability haste build so lol
You don't have to do anything.
But you better own whatever choice you make.
As a supp, nobody gives a fk about your damage or slightly faster cooldowns. Of enemy has a good bit of healing and you force a teammate to take Grievous instead of being able to take a damage increase item, that's just stupid.
But again, you play how you want. Own it.
@@drb4074 oh trust me I own it for sure I know my results in game , but of course some games I feel regardless I “should’ve “ built this or that . As a Leona and taric main and tank main in general , having my cd so low that I have Leona e and q up every 2.2 seconds for infinite cc is fighting in a team fight for peeling , follow up and securing kills as well as taric having a certain threshold of cc for a perfect rotation after q empowerment to stun again and ult timers , however I admit not all the cc is needed and I can throw in thornmail. I’m just obsessed with hitting certain numbers in different stats so lol but I usually do build it some time times. My champ win rates are around 60% or above and my overall win rate is 59%, so I feel what I’m doing is right or at least ( working so far ) but just wanted some clarity . Ty so much !
Do I overvalue towers and plates? Granted I would've recalled when Lucian refused, but I do suffer from the "my tower/plates can't get taken no matter what" syndrome and get really pressed mentally when they get taken.
Love to see the bot lane case studies, thanks guys!
Ayee another Charlie episode!!!
Trust the process, learn to enjoy practice over playing
I’d be interested in watching yalls gameplay. Where could I do that?
I have identically experiance like that guy who wrote the text. From silver to emerald and back to silver in 1 split.
Try to find out what you personally did differently while peaking. If you don't find anything, you were lucky.
I'm gonna call it at 0:00 (If this guy even aces back to back in the first place)this guy throws 1 death trying to 1v3,4, or 5 lategame where the respawn timer is like a minute long. And because he took all of the resources his team is going to be stomped and he's gonna wonder what went wrong because his macro is disgusting and he won't play around his team because of ego.
I think the system should not be able to place you above gold from your first placements. Like not before you have genuinely climbed to those plat+ ranks.
Because there are quite a few people who have just genuinely had a HUGE lucky streak with their first placement games. They got the afks and trolls on the enemy team. Just free win after free win. Troll feeds them 20 kills and they win the games. They place in plat 1 and the algorithm of the system considers them a potential smurf.
And then these people think they deserve that rank. They associate with it and build an ego around it. And as they naturally start falling down because they do not in fact understand the game of league at plat level, they absolutely lose their minds. They look everywhere and even make lizardmen conspiracies as the reason for their LP drop, rather than accept that they got placed way higher than they deserved, because of a lucky streak.
Kinda off topic but I wonder what made them change their minds to include a tank in the top lane academy, specifically why Ornn?
These videos are demonstratively better than just two talking heads
I'm only 8 minutes into the video but only looking at his opgg every single lose this guy has there is written: "Team disparity" on...
Nobody commented that or nobody noticed, he also has a lot of MVP, ACEs and second/third places, which means he is generally one of the best players in the lobby according to opgg.
This guy doesn't play like a bronze, he probably is Plat but i think that dropping this much elo made him scared so much of losing more that he is trying the hardest way to annhilate opponents and for this reason he is being greedy (doesn't reset and goes for over-aggressive plays when has a bounty on his head), i think that if he really can't stand the current situation and having to climb from bronze all the way up to plat i would consider for him to take a second account new and fresh and ranking from that until the season split resets, this way he can play with much less stress and he should just focus on getting better and stay poised, don't be scared to lose and be interested to make the correct move while you are playing, that's all you need to think about.
I remember one duo parter I had in silver,he was reallly good on putting preasure with Cait,he basically never lose a trade or a cs,he told me a few times he had plat mechanics,but the true is he never did a single good play outside the lane,he never kited well,never flashed ontime in teamfights,he basically refused if he was ahead as an adc he could lose the fight,it was very weird because he trully dominated the laning phase with good mechanics,he had amazing kda but once the lanning phase was over he just keept farming without a goal and never respected the enemys habilities in teamfights or duels,sure beacuse he was ahead sometimes he did a lot of damage or get kills but never was able to do it for winning the game.
A lot players play league like is a fighting game,if you win 5 fights but don't push and the enemy keeps farming there is a point where if they just win 1 fight the game is over,so winning lane and fights and not being able to finish the game that means you are not very good at league of legends,if you are 23/0 and its min 40 that means you are unable to finish the game with a monstrous lead,thats a very concerning sign there is something you don't understand about the game, 3/0/5 with 80% of KP and forcing a surrender its what a dominant performance looks like.
op gg MVPS doesn't mean much becuse of that,op gg values gold/damage..it doesn't value if you are just prolonging the game 20 minutes beacuse you are incapable of wiinning against bronzes,which if he trully was a plat he could easily do,although I think a plat player can also play like this,just refusing to play for the win and play for kda. But then he wouldn't cry about it,he just could play to destroy the nexus.
This player's mental is so weak that their ability to play the game can't ever be consistently applied. They need to work on themselves and how they perceive the game.
ok paused at 1:20. gonna guess why he 24 kills didn't win him the game. I don't even know what role yet.
first. he wasn't actually 24 kills up. Something in a general ball park of 3kill then die 3 kills then die and repeat. Classic kda bait. you kill 3 people worth 100 gold then die giving up a 300 gold bounty plus 300 kill gold your actually down 300 gold in the exchange. Not all kills are considered equal. You can have 24 kills and actually be down in relative gold or your lead isn't no where near as big as you thought.
Secondly over respecting low priority targets. he is gonna go top to kill an inting top laner trying to split push thus making (x) gold respond to (x/2) gold making the split push worth it because (x) gold wasn't even in the team fight at dragon or something.
thirdly, just waisting time. moving in effeciently not able to put that gold to use. dieing at an inhib tower while the team went to dragon. Maybe you could have takin that inhib, but the team choose dragon the enemy respawned and your 1v2ing or more for an inhib tower that you die and ended up not getting when you could have just taken dragon. A masterfully executed poor plan is better than a poorly executed masterful plan. Gold means nothing if its dead. it also means nothing if it doesn't manage to help achieve anything. it also means nothing if someone can force you to repond to less valuable play than your gold is worth.
update at about 4:20 route cause is probably one of those 3 topics mentioned previously
5:03 he is lieing to himself, he literally said you was only playing 1 champions, warding more, focusing on himself. the very first thing we look at say he is lieing to himself. he is literally playing ornn, kled, hiemer, yorick. his match history i am seeing lucian, i am seeing aurora, sol, kennen. Im seeing 4 champs with a relatively high number of games played, and an additional 4 just in the last few matches. Can't help a guy who is gonna lie to himself to validate his feelings, end of review, come back when you really want to learn the game and want to stop lieing to yourself.
I sit through all these and WILL apply these, can i send you guys some stuff to review? Im not of the mentality that im super good, i had an old account which i climbed up to plat YEARS ago, and came back a few weeks ago to take it more serious and really get better, so your guys review would indeed geneuinely help me, i am a jg main who plays Nidalee mainly with 1 or 2 other picks occasionally. I also do like gwen top as a secondary position just in case. If you guys are willing to instead of reviewing just a person that is super toxic and thinks they are amazing and instead want to review someone that is more in the mindset of "im not that great right now but will be because im trying to genuinely get to the next level" let me know.
I think that this player checks a lot of boxes on a player who doesn't understand how to play clean and protect bounties. I'm sure going 12/10 doesn't feel as bad a score line to lose on, but expecting to climb with those k/ds is insane.
Minions>towers>objectivs>inhibs>kills. Ben like this since seasone 1
the argument with "keeping players' ranks down to sell more skins" is so out there, there's never any data suggesting lower-ranked players spend more money on skins. if anything, riot would make climbing easier so more people are happy and eager to spend money
I thought for a second we found a way to make a clone of Nathan Mott
1:20:00 I didn't get the part about overstaying. He had nothing to do in base - he's full hp and built his items on the go. It's his teammates who overextended and died 1v3 each. How would a run from base help?
Because talking shit and nitpick on details after a fact is very easy to do. Even i could do that on my own replays. Curtis and the boys have a job to do respecting the formula they have to sustain on their podcast. Alltough the philosophy/and the way of thinking is good to keep improving yourself and get bettter together with keeping your sanity to keep playing. Denying/ignoring the major flaws in this game and matchmaking is also a pretty naive and dangerous thing to do. I`m also really annoyed on how they have some kind of bullying way to talk about things that happen in a game and fluxuate from seeing positive things and mentioning it and immediately say they also make the same mistakes. I respect curtis because he corrected himself and defended me and stayed objective. Also Nathan was fair and objective. Charlie on the other hand is a problem.This kid is young and obviously a bully talking in a condescending way and not really pointing things out that will give you a positive perspective on your play. I would not spend one dime letting that prick coach me in that way.
These dumb little laughs and searching and force mentioning mistakes and gameplay to compensate for his own trauma is in a bullying way is really sad to me.
This video helped me to get back where i was.
It gave me sanity and perspective again.
I know this game and i know everything they talked about.
But allot of flawes, inbalance and toxic players can destroy your mental en forget where you are at.
Tilt destroys allot.
I`m silver II again and climbing to gold again pretty easy while they claim i`m a bronze player to make some kind of pretentious statement.
Their argument about peaking somewhere and that it doesnt mean anything is pretty much bullshit to me.
From bronze to plat 1 and needed 1 win for emerald is full 3 three tiers up.
Thats not luck.
Thats proof you can be there.
Thats proof you have the skills to be there.
I don`t like to talk down on things to make myself look better or to get views on a podcast.
Curtis, Nathan and that other revenge of the nerds mf are doing something good guys.
And that is keep trying to focus on yourself and improve.
It helped me.
But this game still has allot of flaws and the matchmaking and allot of people wil ruin your games!
Don`t ignore that but try to build around it!
Thats what the goal is.
Be the difference.
thats all you can do.
its interesting you mention his teammates dying but dont mention how he could have contributed. If ornn is not there for that herald play, is the likelihood that akali and nocturne overpush lower or higher? Lower of course. Akali might not have died. Now picture the scenario where he recalls, and has priority to push bot and is ready with his TP. You would have less randomness and higher percentage plays.
Fundamentals are the most important thing and you should try to follow them as best you can even if you dont have the full picture in the moment.These challenger players make assessments based off of these fundamentals even if they cant always articulate it because following them generally leads to good things.
Here are a few things to keep in mind. When you recall, you: 1. replenish resources 2. buy items. 3. TELL YOUR TEAMMATES you are not going to help. 4. incentivize your teammates to recall. 5. Get priority on the next important thing(drake, turrets, vision). in other words, you're there first with your strongest self. delaying a recall also delays your strongest self, even with Ornn but even more so with other champs.
Points 3-5 are often overlooked and are what causes a lot of randomness in games. Him being there for a herald play tells his team that its okay to go for that play. its looks scarier if hes not there. Him recalling might have pushed them to do the same. We dont know if this would have helped in this game, but one thing is a FACT. You being there increases the percentage that teammates will go for a play. You not being there reduces it. By how much depends on the elo. but over time, this adds up and makes a difference whether you realize it or not.
Also, not to get granular or anything but imagine if he recalls right after that top play and pushes bot. Is draven more or less likely to catch mid? much more likely. Draven sees that ornn is mid and goes top which is NOT good. You can see draven walking through river to get mid but sees ornn taking the wave and goes top. He dies to Viego in that same sequence. In that same sequence, Senna tries to help the Draven then ends up covering top. all which was influenced by Ornn. Im sure you dont need me to explain why draven and senna being top is terrible for the game. Whether they are good teammates is not the point of focus here. its the fact that Ornn is oftentimes making them play worse. Not only that, Ornn himself is not getting stronger or applying pressure because of his decisions.
@@JerryReyes it seems, you are saying that lane assignments were wrong. But still, it's not clear to me that doing less is the solution. Point 5 - he gets more tempo by not recalling.
@@L3sVo you reek of ego and all of your essay comments are cope, you're just lying to yourself to validate the already terrible mental you had. Why even bother sending vods to the boys if this is how you respond lmao, you got a lot of growing up to do and it has nothing to do with League.
Yo guys talked about a great website for replays sorted by champs. It was a few months ago. cant find the link or the name in my search history. What’s the name again 🙈
I think you're referring to mid.gg ?
Yes, thx a lot 😊
I've already cried reading the thumbnail "tomato iq"😂. Btw what is the language of the match history, seems like dutch?
HEYYYYYYY! just because I can't watch the vid at work 😭
NGL the moment you said he switched roles i turned off mu investigative brain…on sett i know i am low plat high gold but if i don’t only play sett im not gonna be there
32:20 discussing some galaxy brain strat when talking about a bronze player, right😅
I sympathize with that emailer.
clean builds on lucian, trully chinese technologies
I don't have anything to say on the gameplay, but it feels like you get somewhat lost in guessing the mindset.
You guessed he is playing early focused because he doesn't think he can win in the midle-late game and that he doesn't think the early game is important because he only looks at the late game fights.
I love your accents sometimes you say here with an r and sometimes you throw out the “he-ya” 🤣
45:42 id rather lose 250 in tower plates then 600 in a bounty
First! So excited for this ep 🎉
if you go from platinum to bronze in one season, you were never platinum to begin with, you are a bronze player who got lucky, but you are still a bronze player no matter how you look at it.
The harsh truth, from everyone’s favorite teammate, yummijungle.
Ah yes the famous 1500 LP lucky streak
Not true. It's easy to forget the correct things you did that pulled out of those lower elos and keep stuck there until you reorganize your gameplay and skyrocket back to your peek elo.
@@sidneyw.mathiasdeoliveira8621If you can’t maintain a rank, it’s not your rank
@@sidneyw.mathiasdeoliveira8621not to that degrrr, you might fluctuate a rank but a legit plat player simply will not just randomly drop to bronze while playing consistently
Bro after like 2 minutes I allready have to comment. How does he go to Plat 1 and then to bronze? Did he duo like that should be impossible. I go from silver to diamond with 90% wr consistently and then the moment i hit my skillevel i instantly go to 50ish%
He swapped roles and stopped focussing on a small champion pool.
Meh. If you are consistently the "ACE" in your losses, I wouldn't worry about it. You'll be blessed with better teammates eventually and if you can maintain the same performance you'll get easy wins. Remember the 40/30/30 rule.
You'll then climb to a level where you won't be the "ACE" in every single one of your losses. You might even actively contribute to these losses. That's when you'll know you've hit your real rank. And that's where you stop blaming your teammates and do some introspection to up your game and climb further.
Statistics (which are calculated to determine the MVP and the ACE) tell at most half of the story. League is a game of decisions. Make good decisions and you win more games. Stats are often misleading when it comes to finding the things that hold you back from performing better the most.
Hoping for better teammates doesn't make you a better player. And becoming a better player is the whole point of ranked.
The 30/40/30 rule says the opposite of what you are talking about. It says that, over a long enough period of time, you'll autowin and autoloose an equal amount of games, so the only thing that matters is your performance. You, and only you, are the difference between a 30 % winrate and a 70 % winrate. That's what the 30/40/30 rule says. I personally think that it's closer to 40/20/40, because you're one of five players and 20 % is 1/5, but the point remains the same.
@@Zevrael If you are consistently the ACE in your losses, it means you are mechanically better than most people in your games. It means you're killing them more, getting killed less, and farming more.
If you are still losing due to bad decisions, it means that your teammates are so garbage that they can't bail you out whenever you slip up. It means they are still useless despite the gold you've contributed to the team. It also means that if you've just had a single human teammate, you would have won that game.
Would a better player carry those games? Of course. Will you climb faster if you put in the work to improve? Yes. But will you eventually climb by just being mechanically better than your peers without working on your decision-making? Also yes.
@@AphroVenator But why choose the longer, more luck-reliant path, when you can also put concentrated effort into a hobby you care enough about to play competitively?
@@Zevrael A lot of people don't want to make the effort to improve and just want to go into games and auto-pilot.
However, if you're clearly stuffing the stats sheets despite auto-piloting, it likely means that you're better than people at your MMR, regardless of wins and losses.
That's why I empathize (a little bit) when these players blame their teammates. Why is it their responsibility to *over-perform* to carry those games? Why can't their teammates just farm a little bit better? Die a little less? The ask you put on those "ACEs" is bigger than the ask you put on their teammates. These "ACEs" should be able to reach their "natural" rank without expending more effort than usual.
There's a reason the same player can create a new account and sit at a higher rank despite not making changes to their game.
@@AphroVenator You have to outperform your current rank to deserve a higher one. Isn't that obvious?
Without decent supp low elo adc is aweful to play,i dont blame the guy changing role
The underlying issue is that the vast majority of streaming personalities use the excuses the low elo players repeat. You'll see high elo or general elo streamers blame their team mates, blame the system, blame champions, blame balance -- Monkey see, monkey hear, monkey say - monkey do. The player base will not change until the personalities that children consume change.
Hard agree. That's why I think sample high elo and streamer games should be manually monitored and policed more strictly than the rest.
No. Turn them off. Worry about how it affects YOU. Leave others to do what thye want.
Improving is YOUR choice. The others might not want to improve. They have braons and can make theor own choice.
I peaked Master and now iam Dia4 and getting +18 -24 not funny at all
Same dude but three bodies 😵💫
Why are you putting so much emphasis on the H. Hate ch P??
Also correct play here is complete the back and come to lane with item advantage.
He will never get push going vs a sivir.
1:05:29 Aowwwww
I do think corporate side of riot is a cancer, look at the skin releases and champ releases for the past few years. I don't think it overtly has infected the ranked ladder, but the general malaise for the game has been exacerbated by all of the chat and ping restrictions, i got a warning for breaking the ice and asking my team if they got any b*tches at the beginning. People get all conspiratorial about riot but there is valid concerns i stated above along with the power creep of new champions and updated champions vs old ones. I just played a game in d3-d2 where my jungle elise was 5/0 and threw the game to a 1/3 belveth and she was just so useless with that big of a lead.
Corporate side of Riot has no impact in soloqueue, so it's a moot point
@@Pyrrha_NikosMy comment is in agreement with this lol
Idk man maybe you shouldnt be saying slurs at a game? Has happened to me, i tend to use those kinds of expressions jokingly but still got chat restricted. Yet, id rather have that than letting actually toxic people slip by so it really is fine.
@@rammycanales3784 I agree if its chat restrictions. I don't think anyone should get banned for chat transgressions except for extreme cases like doxxing, hate speech, advocating for violence etc. There is an insane amount of ppl that cycle through new accounts and smurf through lower ranks because of how easily they hand out bans and make low elo games lower quality for people who are new. I don't really type much, but the fact that I can't even make a joke (b*tches is not a slur) and get ppl to loosen up and relax is dumb. Riot does everything they can to disincentivize interacting with your teammates or the other team. These people have been making new accounts or buying accounts for years and nothing is going to stop them, theres an unbelievable amount of people on their double digit number account.
you can literally just mute people, if they're toxic no reason for ban imo, just mute like literally look away from the monitor its not real they dont exist and riot has increasingly given players the tools to make players not exist over the years yet they still hand out bans like crazy for chat transgressions. Just for them to make new accounts and ruin low elo games while they speed through and smash noobs
I've been stuck with sense of dread whenever I play league. You said something at the end involving the butterfly effect and I don't know how to deal with players not knowing how crucial their decisions are to the game. And i don't mean that to blame my teammates, I just want to know how to handle those situations that arise from a constant stream of poor decisions
The only constant in your games is you. Everything your teammates do will also happen on the enemy team, because matchmaking is fair. Anything but your own performance does not matter for your ranked journey in the long term. All that matters is your performance. Everything else equals out.
You reset and recalibrate what you need to do, as the game state changes.
Yes, you ARE blaming teammates. First step is admitting that. It's wrong think. If you can't admit it, you won't progress.
Second, you have to let it go. After a bad play, you have to put it out of your mind and reassess what you can or need to do NOW.
It's a difficult skill. But if you don't acknowledge it and work at it, you'll be tilted by bad play and never right the ship.
@@drb4074 thank you so much, I will put this into practice. I feel like through trying to improve so desperately, I've lost the ability to assess my decisions as being poor cause their are larger ones being made around me. Try to remove that lens entirely
c'mon, if you're gonna call your teammates that, at least say it right.
5 tomato iq clowns every game
I've seen this guys replies on here and its clear hes just a toxic person. Its a good lesson for other players though: get out of the childish mentally that everything wrong is someone else fault. Handle your part and focus on what YOU can do better.
The idea that only YOU get people running it down and inting on your team is rediuclous. There will always be some element of that, but it is equally distributed to the enemy team as well. You are just feeding into it instead of moving the gamestate forward where you can. If your 0/10 Yasuo is dieing alone in bot lane, go take a tower in top. Yasuo is worth 1 minion of gold and their tower has a bounty.
If youre in bronze (after a good sample size of games), you belong there until you improve your gameplay.
Not 100% sure, but I don't think that this guy pings anything or highlights the objective timers...
just dont play ADC or Support. Play something that don't depend on your teammates performance
Why does nasus only have 14 minions 🧐 11 min in
He doesn't like farming maybe.
The last time I saw something like that I somehow had a true level 5 player in my game in a norm. He was kept to 11 CS until 10 minutes cuz of how hard i was killing him. I actually felt a little bad for him.
Nothing at all about this guy's gameplay says plat
He is not in Plat in those replays. He probably played differently when he was there, otherwise it wouldn't have happened.
@@Zevrael Nope. He was never plat.
guys I actually am curious I don't want to be rude or anything but, does someone have to learn this good wave management in order to get out of bronze? like, shouldn't it be easier to get out of bronze?
You need to be an average player to get out of Bronze. But it's not recommended to think like that. If you're in Bronze, you likely have much to learn about all of the champions in the game, including your main.
Once you have a rough idea about what every champion in the game does and know very well how your champion works (including standard items and runes), it's time to learn the basics of your lane and how your champion interacts with minion waves and the champions it faces in the 1v1 matchup (or basic pathing, sequencing, and ganking for junglers). That is what it takes to be a silver player.
Remove all ap and assasin champs game will become more interesting.
I think that you guys still analyze a low elo game from a high elo perspective. I can see how that little moments reviewing is super helpful when the game is played to a very high level, but I also feel like you don’t climb out of bronze (I’ve done it and been there in the same frustration pool so many times I can’t even count) by focusing on very little things like wave to wave but on overall win cons. I don’t know, I think the process has to adapt from high elo to low elo, to make players like myself understand what nets you wins in terms of consistency is not the super micro stuff but: 1) champ mastery 80% and 2) overall win con knowledge, as in the easiest way to win each game and the most exploitable weaknesses of every enemy comp 20%. That’s what feels like it shifted for me and I was able to speed out of bronze.
It's all the little things adding up. It might seem small by itself, but if not corrected your matches will be inconsistent.
An individual twig can be snapped with ease. But 100 twigs together is much more difficult to break.
Sweat the details. They matter.
@@drb4074 I don’t quite think they do as much in bronze, mate. That’s my point. I think understanding your champ really well and how to win with your champ is way more important. Speaking from experience: reviewing games obsessively with small details in such a low level of play will not contribute to a winning mindset, but only breed frustration. I think you can start correcting the little things later simply bc the game is not played to a high level. Now, there are in the video fundamentals they talk about, but imo it gets lost in the sauce of “let’s review this very carefully.” Like not treading in a pushing wave against you is WAY more impactful than a micro analysis of movement in bronze. That’s my point. And if you review games with attention to everything in low level, you just get in your own head.
@@leorikh You're just wrong here, doing the little things right produces an insurmountable lead for yourself, it's the best way to carry in low elo. After 10 minutes of clean laning you've got so much gold and xp over your opponent that you can play pretty poorly and just statcheck your way to a victory.
@@kkdj20I just don’t agree at all. You can have mega leads in low elo and still lose bc of fundamentals and understanding your win con. You are assuming that a bronze player can get cleaned up to a plat/emerald player to consistently carry low elo. There are ppl who get to high elo just on mechanics. I think laning super well helps ofc but you only see smurfs carry that lead consistently. But yea your point makes sense if you assume one can become a plat player liken that and I think that big fundamentals are much more key to win low elo than these clean up details that will matter A LOT higher up in the ladder.
I'm sorry but if you think his problem is to ping his team back. ok. if he stay's back and does that, the team die's and goes "don't play bot side". Now you just lost dragon control. just saying you got to think how low elo players think..... this isn't plat + ego/game understanding, in silver and under people will just afk after pinging them.
The biggest thing that helped me get to emerald was just realizing the game is about resources vs kills and dominating
Low elo is a bloodbath every game and inherently coinflip
If I'm jungling
Every gromp I steal is a 180 gold swing I get that gold and they don't
Every wave you crash is the same thing
And it's higher percentage.
Contest a early drake with a big coinflip team fight? Or take grubs and his top camps
Easy answer there
Is there a elo where challenger is assumed to have 100% win rate? Could player carry every game if skill gap is large enough?
I see Pianta starting to struggle at Gold with troll builds and intentionally playing with dubious strategies. That makes me think he could secure every game if he applied all his skills
great
yes, just play at a master level to play better. got it
I agree with almost everything, BUT the rank system should never put you off more than 1 rank( like average silver 4 and peak is gold 4 ) bronze and platinum is super far away it is mentally bad for seeing it, it is demoralizing to feel that I do the same thing (+- 10%) and and the same time fell off so much, so for sure the rank system was a bit off, if you able to peak plat 1 then your level should be at least gold 1 or plat 4 when the system is good, and when you are at gold1 level, probably you will win 60%+ vs bronze players ( should at least if you play around your average level ). So I think he made a lot of mistakes for sure, but for me the origin of the problem is the incorrect peak, I don’t feel like the gameplay was that good, to see as plat 1 ( which is still full of mistakes, and I am E4 so I hover around that, so I have seen a lot, and I do a lot of mistakes myself too)
But he swapped roles and abandoned having a small champion pool. The ranked system would be broken if he hadn't dropped far.
@@Zevrael Kinda true, but not always, I swapped to mid a few years ago from adc, and I immediately( from middle season till the end of the season, around 3-6 months ) climbed, maybe my skillset was better suited already for mid ( I love one vs 1 and the punish game, which is harder in 2vs2 IMO, more variables) but I can comfortably say, that I can play all lanes at plat 4-3 level at least as an e4 midlaner ( because of laneing fundamentals) ( jg maybe not, that is way different). Either way, I don't think that you should have a 1200 Lp difference between your peak and actual rank, that is way too much, and Emerald screwed a lot of things in the rank system As a bonus Riot themselves have already spoken about some ranked system mistakes and errors already for example the new accounts started at plat-gold. As for me, I think Leagues rank system works okayish most of the time especially if you have 200+ games, but there is some weird stuff too ( I think it is happening more in the last few years than before), and that sucks when it happens to you, ( mentally it is worse that you peak high and fall down than peak closer to your actual level, then the goal is easier to reach, then so on with small steps. That is what I meant "broken" system) I think Peaking more then 200-300 lp higher than your skill level is a double edge sword, it feels good when you reach it, and extremely frustrating when you get back at your level( usually lower, because you play worse, when you are angry and frustrated). And for clarity, it is normal to get worse after role swapping, but a true plat1 player will not fall back to bronze 1, at least that should not be possible ( ok yuumi otp changes to play some extremely weak inmobile toplaner is an outliner, but you know...) in this case peak plat1 skill level plat 4( ish) after role swapp gold4- silver1, that would be normal I think. Open to a good discussion about it.
I find it interesting that people always ignore the way ranked systems intrinsically work. There is a ranked distribution, a certain % of the player base MUST be Bronze etc for the system to work. In order for one person to move up, someone else has to move down. After a certain point, fundamentals aren't enough. Games this old do in fact reach a point where the average skill level of even the lower end players is so high that you have to do something special to stand out in order to climb at all and the reality is that ranked systems are designed to push everyone towards a 50% winrate by matching everyone with players of equal skill.
People might be a little delusional in their ranked conspiracies about being held down intentionally, but most of what they say about the system isn't entirely false. The system does in fact keep people in bronze intentionally. It has to. That's how ranked systems work.
The system doesn't need to push players towards a 50 % winrate. That's just what naturally happens if you match them with other players of equal skill.
You have some facts right but youre drawing the wrong conclusions from them.
While the player skill increases over time, it doesnt increase to the point that fundamentals aren't enough. This is the biggest cope.
Players at the bottom don't necessarily increase in skill level. These players typically dont play often and many times get WORSE over time from rust, lack of practice, or not being adaptable enough for an evolving game/different metas.
Its also easier to form new habits than to break old ones. The longer a player plays this game, the more habits they form. If they're low elo, its likely that a majority of those habits are bad. You might have an overall increase in mechanics and super basics (like catching waves) but anyone with actual good fundamentals or actual mechanics above bronze/iron will climb above that rank with ease. I would argue that the biggest improvements have been made by the mid and high elo playerbases. Not bronze/iron. Bronze is better now, because Iron was added but the bottom 10% of the playerbase isn't that much better now than it was 3 years ago. The improvements made in this elo are very
You're not including new players as a variable. If youre at the bottom of the ranking ladder, new players should offset that small increase in overall player skill level since the vast majority of new players go to the bottom of the ladder and not elsewhere.
Can I ask whats the point of saying "the system does in fact keep people in bronze intentionally"? You acknowledge that its a ladder, for someone to move up someone must move down. Then where is the intentionality coming from? Why are you making this argument? You're saying, if youre in the bottom 10%, then the system is intentionally keeping you in the bottom 10%. Yeah, of course. If youre in the top 10% you're emerald. and if youre in emerald youre in the top 10%. It seems circular but youre bringing it up for a reason. When people make the argument that they are being kept in bronze what they are saying is that CERTAIN people are kept in bronze. But you refute that when you say when one person goes up another goes down.
Im also curious as to why youre making the point that the system is designed to push everyone to a 50% wr. its strange that you bring it up after you said that you have to do something special to climb and that fundamentals arent enough. You seem to be encouraging a defeatist attitude but your explanation of how ranked systems work doesnt support that.
1. if the system matches you with similarly skilled opponents than all you need to do is improve slightly to win against those opponents (and climb)
2. If the ranks are based off of percentages, then you simply have to be better than certain people to climb.
Oh it's Catlie, the new guest of the shown
Another red flag is this guy playing 7 ranked games in 1 day. After your 2nd or 3rd loss of the day it's time to stop imo.
league is actually an if-then condition game. Asking lots of what ifs and remember the results. If the something didnt work out its because it wouldnt work out most of the time.
This can lead you into results based analysis. Just because you won a fight doesn't mean it was a good fight to take. If you base future decisions on that, you'll sooner or later end up betting on your opponents messing up instead of playing clean League of Legends yourself.
"never buy pink ward" what is when i play against pyke, shaco, eve?