Could The ENTIRE Russian Air Force Be Beaten By JUST The US F-16 Fleet? (WarGames 216) | DCS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- Today we simulate the 900 or so USAF F-16 Vipers against the entire Russian Air Force. The F-16s rely on the modern AIM-120D3 and older AIM-120C missiles, while the Russians use the modern R-77M and R-37M as well as older R-77-1 and R-27 missiles.
*SORRY for my rough voice in this vid. I am long term sick. I am booked into hospital for scans in next few weeks so hopefully we'll find the problem/solution.
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now we need to see the fight between all the ejected pilots on the ground
Someone should set it up in ARMA. Regrouped teams of pilots with pistols fighting in a 100 square mile battlefield 😂
USAF Pararescue 10/10 wrecks y'all
@@orpheus280 the thing with America they drop with m4s lol
Next time put F-22 escorts on the AWACS just to spite Simba xD
lols
I support Simba spite, how did he not fly an F-16 in this mission? LOL
@@Vapor0040 took one for the (small) team?
This battle doesn't count. You didn't include SU-47
@@maksymsliazin4742pfffffft
How ironic that the first Russian plane killed in a massive 4th gen vs 4th gen furball was the ONLY 5th gen stealth fighter in the battle!
It makes you wonder about the "stealth" aircraft
It really are the engines, when it gets its real engines is extreemly stealthy @@ivorharden
@@kuunoooo7293 what are the real engines?
@@kuunoooo7293 Right.
@@ivorhardenMakes you wonder about Russian stealth. The US's stealth actually works.
Simba going after the AWACS immediately and exploiting the logic of the AI adds nothing to the scenario and only diminishes it. Adding some AA fire to protect the bases and/or AWACS would at least add a risk vs reward incentive to go after the strategic assets.
In a real battle you should bet your ass the awacs would be a priority target.
These battles should have some sort of AWACS protection. The AWACS, being the eyes in the sky for each side, would see the attackers coming for them and would immediately vector planes to intercept them or would at least have AA assets covering them. Both sides would know how important it is to keep these assets alive.
its cool to see with russia having the starting advantage and having the awacs advantage they still got shat on
See, you say that, but Russia lost three (four?) AWACS to a country with barely any air force or AA.
@@killerblingxbl maybe maintenance and training are important too? good catch ;)
@@killerblingxbl no i was saying it was an unrealistic advantage that russia would have more awacs but it didnt matter cause they still got graped
The end around on the AWACs is not realistic as the AWAC would vector fighters to intercept.
It is ridiculous too as this is a can X beat all Y and not can a non command and control fleet beat them and so on. Of course the side without AWACS is crippled and will be worse off.
And he does it every time. Super annoying
Agree. Silly and not in the spirit of the event. Stopped watching the moment the second one went down.
@@mattgangel1 So if you know he does it EVERY TIME like you claim, why are you still here clicking, viewing, commenting, which directly supports the channel, regardless if your analysis is positive or negative?
@@rnash999 I agree 100% Its like what they do to the F-22's at Red Flag events they put them in damn near impossible mismatchs and give them limits to use and then when 1 is taken out the world acts like the f-22 is now crap! Its Truly useless to judge based on a senerio where one sides has there hands tied tells us nothing!
The sound of this battle on those hills must have been terrifying
Simba’s puzzy move of swinging around to take out the AWACS is so predictable, it’s becoming boring.
It’s pu$$y not puzzy. I’m just messing with y’all. Hilarious comment.
Definitely a sweaty nerd that takes his role too seriously
I guess it would all depend on how much of their air force could actually start their engines and function, which is iffy.
Have you SEEN the massive landwhale of a Russian pilot that ejected over Ukraine? And they make fun of Americans for being fat... lmao
Not only are their aircraft inferior - their pilots are worse than most commercial pilots in the US
I love that in Red Storm Rising Clancy constructs a reason the Soviets have half a year to get their military working before they start the war. It's nothing new apparently.
They literally fly sortie daily into Ukraine 🤦🏾♂️
Well that goes to all the militaries in the world, half the brand new F-35s are down with maintainace issues according to the airforce due to reliability issues.
@@Archer89201 right, not only that but logistics and if enough pilots are available. People love crapping on the VSK, when they're dominating Ukraine right now with glide bombs. Plus NATO just came out and debunked Ukraine analytics on their losses. Russia only lost 10% of their air force, aside from two A-50s and allegedly one Tu-22M, they're still going strong and just delivered a batch of new Su-35S's.
35:11 "Foxes are in the hen house, now!" Funny because the Soviets actually had an OTH Radar with the NATO Reporting Name "HEN HOUSE"
I love these videos! Also just wanna say thank you for keeping the spark going... recently the F-4 preorder stuff arrived which prompted me to redownload DCS, then one thing followed an other and I am playing through a gazillion of my dust collecting modules and using your videos to re learn the startups and systems... and now added VR on top of the mix... yeah I am lost to the simulator xD And the F-4 is not even here yet. Just wanna say thank you for the content and the inspiration to fly more :D
Pleasure
Maybe my favorite GR video yet. Not only did the Vipers win, we still have the rest of our Air Force and Navy to deal with China next. This is exactly what would happen, only it would be more lopsided. The American pilots have way better training/experience, and their equipment actually works. Don't mess with the Viper. Fantastic airplane.
"We are the greatest, we are the best, we will crush them in a minute." And this gentlemen, is how defeats are created.
The biggest threat to the F-16, are the US Generals and the MIC pushing their craptastic "latest GEN, leading edge technologies".
@@xiphias2997 when talking about the US airforce that quote is more of an understatement 🤷♂
Love the ‘grass blowing’ effect…well done DCS 😊
I reacted the same way Cap with the grass. First time I seen it myself, awesome stuff!
I'm not sure how long I've been subbed to your channel but it's pretty amazing you've put out a video everyday I've been subscribed and it's been multiple years. I think a couple years before covid. My brain is faulty though so I could be off by 5 years.
"Roughly as good as Chinese stealth, I would say" oof, talk about damned by faint praise
lols
@@grimreapers are you retarded or retarded
U do realise both China and Russia use American stealth tech when Yugoslavia shit down the f117 they gave parts to China and Russia which both modernized
Stealth doesn't work against a real army. And no, targeting is no problem. When the air defense sees the aircraft, it's absolutely enough to guide the missile close to it, the missile will do the rest on sight, stealth doesn't help you anymore at this point.
@@miriamweller812 if that were even remotely true then every country in the world with the means to do so wouldn't be pursuing stealth aircraft, and yet they are. You clearly know nothing
I really wish you would give the awacs escorts because it seems that nobody pays any attention to them once the game starts and your missiles don't work as well without them
After reporting the spam bots, there aren't any comments.
With as "advanced" as TH-cam's algorithms etc are, you'd think they could figure out a way to just delete every account with an ass in the pfp. I call them ThotBots.
The state of TH-cam in 2024...
@@bpop2148 Each video has more of them too. Was only 1-2 per, now it's up around ten so far on this video
@@aztec0112 It has for sure gotten a lot worse yea...
@@bpop2148 It's mostly the state of "Mention anything NATO vs Russia" and you get plenty of Russian spambots.
Great vid guys, thanks for the entertainment.
When cap said "oww look at the grass being blown by the jet", I started imaging the smell of the burnt Avtur 😊
You guys are awesome! My background is Infantry so I know little about piloting in a dogfight however I think by staggering the Americans it added a little game advantage to the Americans. Less aircraft to be killed by Russian missiles initially, as AI just shoots large number of missiles and end up wasting a lot of them. So I think the slow rate of Americans getting airborne was to their benefit.
what this really show is how incredibly superior human players is (well skilled human players). And that can probobly be extended to good or bad trained real fighter pilots
Cap could use comms to redirect human fighters towards other human players who try to do the AWACS end around run.
Someone remind Simba that he doesn't sound as cool as he thinks he does
I think your warehousing is a great addition. I wouldn't complain if they all got 2 premium and 2 old missiles. Keep up the great work!
Fun and interesting fight, thanks for the entertainment.
I wonder how much of the swing in numbers was due to the slower launch rate of the F-16s. It would also explain the lower number of American missiles fired, and it wouldn't be the first time one of these battles ended up being won by the slower-launching force still having offensive capabilities after the faster force had burned through their armaments in an initial surge.
Man. I wish you could feel better. I hate that you can't break free of this, Cap.
LOL
I'm guessing you mean hope, not hate
@@gibbousmoon35 Oh my. Thanks. I adjusted it.
Thank you chaps.
Love these scenarios!
This is my new favourite channel. Binge fest is on!
You have years of binge’ing my friend…been here for years myself. GR has a Patreon too if you wanna help Cap and the boys out too 😊
The update also includes bomb blast shockwave which looks awesome
Awesome challenge!
Good watch!!
theres always something with hundreds of aircrafts simultaneously take off
if only I could have got to AWACS sooner must be a reason they hide in the back like that so that can't happen
Yup. They're a long range radar. Far as I know they aren't armed
Are you Simba?
@@ivorharden no
When did you do the "USAF vs Russian Air Force" fight referenced in the beginning? I'm not seeing that in your recent videos.
Next video
Growling Sidewinder vs Grim Reaper
This battle was pretty much the fox three slaughterfest I expected it to be.
Simba could've gotten to AWACS's earlier and faster if he was flying the Mig-31.
Now we need to pit the F-16 against the entire PLAAF fighter fleet.
I’m sure Grump is missing the F-16 action
That was a good scrap, far more entertaining than Gen 5 vs Gen 3 or 4.
I think it can be done seeing our F-16 stock is about the size of the entire Russian Air Force. So this should be Interesting! Thanks GR TEAM!!!
I want to say the reason it stayed even was the fact that the Russians were wheels up before the F-16's at least thats what it seems. If i'm correct in that it might've given the Russians a better chance at the starts when it was a few F-16's vs the majority of the Russian Air-Force (relatively) giving an initial Russian advantage (even though the Su-57 already did give a slight advantage which was showed by the the 57 immediately getting a couple of kills before being locked on). Then as the F-16's starts to gain traction in the fight enough to let other F-16's up in the air which also allowed the F-16's an advantage of still having munitions in comparison to the already winchester and retreating Russians.
I will say i loved seeing the extremely slimey and slippery evasion that the F-16's were able to do (dodging at one point 4-5 missiles at once and still surviving) and it kind of proves why its one of the best aircrafts in the world. I would love to see the same thing however with the F-15's to see how kuch of a difference if at all it would be for the F-15 to F-16 and actually compare to who is truly better in air superiority
The lovely swan-neck SUs definitely win on looks, if nothing else.
They’re so hot MIG35 too
And the Foxbat is just tuff like f15 on roids
@@off6848 Yeah, the Foxbat drove itself way too hard and burned out, as if it was on roids.
@@PongoXBongo in this video or irl?? Because I didn’t watch the video but that did happen once irl
@@off6848 I was referring to IRL. Their materials science couldn't fully keep up with their ambitions, lol.
All hail the mighty VIPER!
If we’re using futuristic missiles then shouldn’t the U.S. be able to use the AIM-260, due to it becoming operational in 2024, and being two stage like the R-77M; which like you said, is also futuristic. Any thoughts by anyone?
Honestly the US would win, and that would be boring.
They have to handicap themselves to give Russia a chance. Let's say - they don't want any of the new, future missiles to land in Russia to give them an edge.
They didn't really need it TBH.
@@grimreapers very true. Thanks Cap!
@@RazorsharpLT makes sense. It would most likely be a slaughter. Lol
There are so many F-16s that it would be hard for the Russians not to get overwhelmed. Imagine if had been the F-35 fleet (including exported and sold ones there have been over 1,000 made, yikes!)
Russia wouldn't get overwhelmed.
@@subjectc7505Yeah, the hundreds of 5th gens launching fox-2’s disagree’s with ya’.
@@knight1706 Keep dreaming broski. It can only happen in video games.
@@subjectc7505 Oh do tell us how the mighty Russian airforce could not be overwhelmed by a 3:2 numerical disadvantage against an air fleet comprised entirely of stealth aircraft.
This'll be good to hear.
@@dgthe3 only in video games would that happen. Russians always operate within their defense radius and as you can see in Ukraine, neither side is unable to takeoff without their RWR beaming from a track radar. It's not the middle east broski. You'll push back the Russians but overwhelm is an understatement.
Wargame idea: Israeli airstrike on Iran, supported by US tankers and AWACS, but the Iranians launch their F-14 fleet in an attempt to take out the tankers and AWACS before the Israelis can refuel.
Dear @Grim Reapers
This DCS simulation results corresponds to "official" information about the performance of weapon a or weapon b.
As you can right now see , weapon systems like s-300 / S-400 are neither able to shoot down cruise missiles / storm shadow or the technicians are not able to do what their weapon systems are able.
So i would say, the russian SU-35 and other types are not that good.
We gonna see soon :)
If we "See soon :)" then the first targets hit will be aircraft carriers by cruise missles, and thanks to the houthi we now know that american ships are unable to stop dodgy low tech missiles, let alone a swarm of 200-300 high end russian cruise missles.
The loss of 2 or 3 aircraft carriers plus escorts will probably trigger nuclear launches. Because that is americas entire military doctrine gone.
So if thats what you want to "see soon :)"
Then we'll be seeing the sarmat 2 close up.
I doubt russia would even launch their air force.
So Ukraine has been lying about shooting down cruise/ballistic missiles?
You know very little about level of sophistication of operations that ukrainians conduct. Almost every attack starts with overloading AA, shooting cheap crap and launching harms, probing different directions and finding weak spots etc. In perfect conditions storm shadow is an easy target for s400 but they dont exist in a real war. Same goes for patriot btw, Israel is ditching patriots since they didnt achieve much success against Iranian rockets, even though on paper it is not so
I'm only here for the rewenge
I love these all out slug fests. This one was a nice twist. Need to figure out more interesting ones. Examples: Pre NATO joining Sweeden & Norway Vs. Russia or Poland vs. Belarus. Probably not in DCS yet but, "Could S. Korea defend itself from N. Korea with JUST its domestic KF-21?"
How those F-16s managed to take off without being bombarded by Iskanders, Kalibrs, Kinzhals etc. is a complete mystery to me...😆
rigggght
do you think russia is the only country with ballistic missiles?
More proof that the F-16XL is the greatest plane 'we' never had.
Aaand that is the best plane we never had because we had the option of having the F-15E instead
How do you achieve that leval of clarity in your graphics?
Also thought the F-16's could have a hard point with a split Aim-9 missles to have 2 sidewinders on a hard point. times 2 for each wing and we could have 4 missles instead of 2.
Simba: *flies Soviet plane*
Soviet plane: **MISSILE ALERT!**
Simba: “This is where the fun begins.”
F-16 squadron: “Are you sure about that?”
The F16 holds a 92:13 kill/loss ratio, stated by UN Military Command......But
It is undoubtedly a game changer for undeveloped countries...sure ...will it defeat the RAUF ...Hell no
its holds a great kill Ratio ...but when you look deeper, its only vs sub 1999 and prior enemies ...VS +1999 equipped enemies it touts a abysmal 12:28 kill/Loss ratio
I get F-35's, F-18's, and F-16's over my house mostly. But I'm about 2 and a half miles north of Lockheed and a joint reserve base. It'd be nice to see an F-15 or something else once in a while. Occasionally a raptor is seen but rare these days.
F-16 C/D do not use AESA radars, they have APG-68 (V)10 Pulse Doppler radar, US F-16 in real life is old, obsolete and have no AESA..
They are all inferior in all parameters against SU-30, SU-34, SU-35, SU-57 and Mig-31.
In all versions of this fight Russian fighter would get the first shot fired and lots of first kills.
Mig-31 would be a monster against F-16 when they could rise to max altitude and send all of their missiles against F-16 before they are detected and F-16 would have problem to intercept them on that high altitude before they gain max altitude themself.
SU-57 would kill all AWACS before all this started, return home, rearm and killing more, and no, SU-57 is not super stealthy, it’s not, just that F-16 radars are obsolete.
F-16 detected all Russians fighters way way and way to early, half of them would be shoot down before releasing a missile.
The entire fight was made in a way to give USA an edge and removing all Russian edges in the form of long ranged missiles, altitude and radars.
The short answer? Yes. The long answer? Yes.
SIMBA - People's target!
Are the results linear, between various scale factor simulations?
Wiki not biased. are you interested in buying a bridge. could do you a good deal.
~900 F-16s vs ~700 Russian frontliners... no wonder
It's accurate...
The most laughable aspect is that 100% of the missiles hit their targets... 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂.
Foolish AI! Simba is always the greatest threat.
It's not surprising those wooden Su-57's didn't perform too well..
Great video as usual.
Where is RC? It would be great to hear from him 👍
Where is Violet? She was good fun
Unt wo is Fly?
I would call the F-16 the most successful fighter jet of all time. It does everything cheaper than everything else. It's a damn shame the F-16XL never picked up traction. Those delta wings would have pushed it to a new level.
Russia has AT BEST 32, 22 production and 10 test.....but those 22 aren't even in full service either and the test aren't either, so 10-15 is a solid estimate. anyone who says "100" or "hundreds" lost their mind
+GrimReapersAtomic *_Don't_** forget the 三栗 Mitubisi/Lockheed Martin F-2A, an ASDF (JPN) execution o' the General Dynamics Project Agile Falcon.* The Federal Russian Aerospace Forces divide the missiles by type: Vympel R-37 for Mikojan-Gurjevich-31 Bolshogo Modernizarovann'yj assigned to the Anti-Air Defence Corps (a descendant o' the Soviet-era IA-PVO); R-77M and R-73M2 amongst MiG-29 Modernizarovann'yj, MiG-35 Sapfir, and Sukhoi-27/30/35 assigned to Frontal Aviation, plus the MiG-29 Korabeln'yj Istrebeitel and Su-33 Korabeln'yj Perekhvatchik assigned to Naval Aviation.
No. Longer answer - it depends but still no. You are not going to be fighting a conventional air to air battle. They will always choose to fight under the cover of their S400s and the F16s would be annihilated.
Simba ruining it as per usual
Does DCS have a way to replicate the F18 Growler? That would be a fun mission to see if you can make SAM sites fire at nonexistent targets.
You should do a video negating stealth like an F15 vs F22 set with an equivalent RCS. Just to see which would be better from a pure performance standpoint
hmm could do but pretty sure they'd be about even?
@@grimreapersf15 could hold a whole heap more missiles... depends on type of fight I think
I think the 22 can go "beast mode" like the F35. So that would decrease the disparity somewhat.
@@grimreapers even then, the F-22 being capable of carrying its weapons internally would have far less parasitic drag so would dominate in a BFM scenario. Beyond visual range its superior radar would win it the fight
Don't forget, it's not just their air force,arming the F16
Would it actually be possible to have that many data link missiles in the air simultaneously?
There's a problem with your setup here, which should actually make the F-16 missile much more impactful. You excluded the bombers, and planes that aren't "front-line capable". In reality, such planes would be intended to launch at the same time, and come through to destroy the F16 airbases and/or other HVTs, while they're busy engaging the fighters. You would end up having to engage them as well, possibly even in priority over fighters in some cases.
Yes!
Now just the USN against the Russian air force...
strange to see su-57 without 2 S-70 drones
The US has a incredible ability to refuel while airborne, no other country possesses this talent. Russia has the home field advantage with airfields everywhere to land.
Yes. Next video.
Wikipedia shows 22 su 57 and 10 test versions of the su 57 meaning 32 in total. So instead of 10 you should have added 22 but okay!
Looks like a vast amount of the initial Russian missiles were launched against very few F-16s in the chokepoint.
Hey, could you do a smaller scale battle with Russian aircraft in Kaliningrad (12 Su-30 + 24 Su-27SM) vs Poland with 36 F-16s?
You could also make this a tactical battle, with both sides using GBAD, SEAD, and potentially naval assets, perhaps Helicopters too
Is this russian general staff tryna save money on wargames?😂
@@wujekstalina What?
@@totalNERD-eo7wx He means instead of making the computations in operations center they just ask ppl on youtube to make them simulations to save money.
@@Psydvckthefirst That would be in character I guess
@@totalNERD-eo7wx I think most intellegence agencies and their army friends try to get as much free labour from the internet as they can. Of course it has to be hard filtered, but they own the "filters" so to say, so i't easy for them.
Could the entire Russian Air Force be defeated by just the US F-16 fleet? No, it can't.
I would like to see this same mission ran with F-15s
f15's would do better than the f16's until they run out of missiles
US only has about 400 F-15s so they'd get smashed :(
I have no doubt Russians would fuck up themselves, clear win.
It would take 3 days, with the F-16s feeling out the opposition for 2 days
If it can't, the simulation is completely broken. 😂
not likely f-16s could take on mig 29 and su-27s but the 0 su 35s would be a issue
What is this game called
Uncle Shmuli.
In Scandinavia we are merging our air force response. Was wondering if you would like to do a simulation where Norway, Denmark, Finland and Sweden fighting against the russian arsenal?
just imagine a big flash and a huge mushroom cloud there you go
Where do i find the Russian airforce vs modern US aircrafts?
At the end of the day, USA wins, even with all the disadvantages of not taking off early humans playing against the A.I and being told what's incoming ahead of time to the human players not to mention cutting their numbers
The Russian 4th gen aircraft fleet. LOL...good one.
That's... not how statistics works. 'Roughly even' kills, but that's 4/5 of one force compared to 1/3 of the other force--that's a massive difference. Russia launched a lot more weapons and downed similar numbers to the Americans and meanwhile most of the RU forces down vs a sizeable amount of Americans left. That's a one-sided battle, my boys.
Probably the same simulation that predict massive success for counteroffensive last year