Yeah and this will still cause carpal tunnel since your palm is still facing down like with regular mice. An ergonomic mouse needs to at least be vertical to fit with the natural hand position. This doesn't even do that.
@@st.altair4936 the problem with vertical mice is they are all freaking too small. I use one and it's much better than a regular mouse, but still too small to be fully comfortable...
Few thing's you should add! 1. Moust feet, less friction would be amazing for how much surface area that thing has. 2. dip it in some sort of rubber/silicone material to add comfort all around 3. add some sort of cushion near the wrist, similar to those anime boob mousepads I think you're onto something big here, I would love to test it out!
But keep in mind that the coating limits the lifetime of the mouse. At some point that stuff will turn back into oil. First it gets extremely sticky, then it feels like peeling off tape that has been in the sun for a couple months. You'll wash your hands constantly, because using the mouse makes you feel as if you just ate a whole bag of chips.
the Rat pro X has ceramic feet, much less friction than the usual plastic, those are great. and rubber coating gets disgusting real quick, i keep scraping it off the things that have it
@@BlueWhipper3D Yeah, its a thing. People have said they're genuinely good for your wrist, since there are mouspads that take the same idea without it being tits.
You stumbled upon a design style that fps players might want to experiment with. A lot of long-term fps players will teach themselves "shoulder aiming", where the wrist and elbow don't move and all the movement is driven by the shoulder. You created a shoulder aim trainer: something that locks the wrist in place so aiming has to come from the shoulder. There is a huge niche you've advanced by years.
eh, shoulder aiming is not considered one of the best styles of aiming, but in reality you should be incorporating shoulder, wrist, and fingertip altogether to achieve the best aim possible. Shoulder aiming is limited by its large movements and lack of microadjustments, which in some cases might be alright, but most games nowadays focus on the microadjustment aspect of aim. Tracking and flicking are the main two methods for aiming, and fingertip aiming is perfect for tracking and perfect for small scale flicking. A couple years ago, maybe like pre covid shoulder aim was a main talking point but nowadays fingertip grip and aiming using your fingertips is considered the best possible solution for aim. Shoulder aim isnt really something that needs to be practiced, as due to its lack of accuracy for small scale movements, doesn't prioritize accuracy, but rather speed. And speed can be solved by putting more force into the arm. Again, this has to be balanced with a more precise amount of force into the fingertips which is why you'll see top aimers of today having a really good balance of all the aiming methods.
@kevl4n109 didn't say it was the best, just that people have been doing it. Yes it's difficult to be consistent, that's why it benefits from a trainer. Check out Fatmagic for an example of someone who flicks from the shoulder. It's done for health and longevity reasons; sometimes the instinctive aiming style will trash a wrist over the years.
The Apple Magic Mouse is the finger aimingtrainer and that might be the reason why it is disliked by many. Since I started gaming on the family iMac with a Magic Mouse I developed this weird finger aiming habit, this was broken after buying an ultralight gaming mouse.
Ahh, the Millenium Chicken Mouse. I feel like it's certainly a good way to start with designing a personal ergonomic mouse, but here's a couple things that come to my mind. 1.) Large contact area. The way the Millenium Chicken shape contours the hand may be rather unwieldy in moving it around. Especially when you pick it up and try to tilt it with a familiar motion. The large contact area also introduces the issue of needing countless mousefeet to lift it up, or risking the bottom deforming enough to create friction with the table. 2.) Weight. The way this mouse is designed, the "wings" and the dome are both solid and while all in all the plastic might not be particularly heavy, I imagine the actual usable surface of the mouse is actually a lot smaller than what this design actually spends volumes of material for. 3.) Contact area. I imagine working with a mouse like that would eventually lead to sweaty hands with all the contact area the hand has against the plastic. I wonder if the area could thus be reduced by only leaving supports reaching all the way to the hand in places where they matter.
Honestly, i like that design. It has a certain organic/scifi vibe to it. Like a lump of meat, slapped on the table, functioning as an Interface. What you would expect from an Alien race where Computers are "grown". I wouldn't cal it body horror but it got a lot of the aesthetics i liked about it.
@@generalobiwankenobi7579every mouse has mouse skates and if you have a relatively popular mouse you can buy even better aftermarket ones that fit perfectly
I came from your short, it was a breath of fresh air. Your short was strait to the point and made it easy to see more, your video also was strait to the point. Thank you sir. It's been awhile when the marketing side of things were just for fun and not targeting the person
*Behold the best idea for the World's Comfiest Mouse:* Add cushions for the lower palm/wrist support and trim the edges of the mouse to make it look smaller. Keep the indents as they are but add some bevels to remove sharp corners of the crater. Optionally for extra ergonomics create the mouse for sideways use, aka a slight tilt for natural rotation of the wrist. For this one a U shaped cushion for wrist support would be gold.
Add a button or more to every finger to maximize power usability. I got 10 extra and would need at least 3 more and a wheel for the thumb. My cravings for more buttons was started with Fatal1ty gaming mouse, added by Silverstone Raven (that I had to mod to move some buttons and replace the massive thumb wheel with a lot smaller one), then a Logitech G300 took much away, though introduced the idea of having two extra buttons on each side on the very front. Roccat Tyon has now been the no1 contender for years, even though it's shape is too long for my hands, the indentation for the thumb is too shallow and occasionally I have a hard time gripping it good enough to get it to lift. I wish I could get a mouse that has the features of the Tyon, plus: -A premium scroll wheel with tilt and option for indexing/free rolling with adjustable brake/tension -Two buttons right behind the scroll wheel -Scroll wheel for the thumb (with indexing/free rolling) -2 or more thumb buttons -Better sensor -More vertical design Though it would probably cost 300-600+ dollars, like the Elecom M-DUX70BK
For gaming the cushion would be an awfull idea because every gamer knows your hand needs to touch the desk so you feel how far it goes, now yes its about comfort but if a mouse is annoying to use what is comfort.
@@TimmyGamingYT It's actually better to use your whole arm for more precise aiming, believe it or not, even better if you have support for your wrist on the mouse itself. It becomes like an extension of your body, samurai type shi.
yeah... with the right amount of money... before this printers your bedroom just have to be bigger with machines and workingtables and you would get the same result. all about money - back then and it is today!
This and also because there is significantly more surface area in contact with skin it would make sense to add a bunch of perforations and a little fan inside to allow ventilation and prevent uncomfortable sweat buildup
I cannot express my gratitude for you linking the 3D scanning app in the description edit: meaning that I am VERY GRATEFUL that the 3D scanning app (Polycam) was listed in the description. Because it’s convenient.
Yup. His "natural resting position" is more like "natural resting position if you let your hand rotate to match the hard table surface". Actual natural resting position isn't vertical either, more like 50 or 60 degrees up from flat. I think a 45 degree design would allow best ratio of comfort and control, personally. Higher angles require back pressure from the thumb to prevent it moving when pressing buttons, which becomes unergonomic, especially if you want to also eventually add thumb buttons for more functionality.
@@ElementBirdGaming Actually, been investigating this for a while and have measured it on a few people... It depends on desk height, etc, as you rotate naturally with arm position changes. Just so you know... The 45 degrees is something I've tested on myself and it's comfortable from about 30 to 45. Any higher and presses seem to create too much movement. Still working on proto, but would like to productise at some point.
@@ElementBirdGaming But... was my point made, regardless? Does it matter if the numbers aren't precise if it's something you can test yourself while sitting at your desk?
You don't normally move only your arm but your fingers also contribute to the mouse movement. Since this format kind of locks the mouse body to your wrist I think that a trackball mouse would benefit more this bigger format
Mice are definitely more comfortable when they're larger. This is doubly true if you have big hands. You may find that you get more *precision* out of smaller mice, though. That uncomfortable, slightly scrunched up grip allows you use your fingertips more and your elbow less. Which is good for precision, but worse for the tendons in your wrist.
fun fact that i have huge hands and i find small mouse most comfortable for me cus i am just moving it with 3 fingers xD and back of the mouse is somewhere at my pinky finger end so gives me kinda good balance when i want to be precise at like shooting in game , if mouse hits my palm it kinda feels very bad at least for me thats why i took smaller mouse :D
@@devraiden336 I have big hands and I small mouse makes my fingers cramp a lot after minutes of use but I also have nerve damage from getting cut up working. I'm thinking of trying a vertical mouse
@@novaenricarter705 u will run into one big problem with vertical mice, when u want to left or right click u have to squeeze inwards with both ur thumb and finger and can cause a different type of strain, it also causes most people to accidently move their cursor every time they go to click inadvertanly moving off what they were trying to click
@@fleepity I can understand that my largest mouse has that issue... I want one that's still flat but has a 45 ish degree angle for the hand placement. Maybe I should try 3d printing one lol
I hate the fact that this feels just like a short but longer. The constant jump cuts and the way he speak so fast with short sentences feels unnatural for a normal video.
2:37 Lidar is not an acronym for Light Detection and Ranging, it's literally just a compound word of "light" and "radar", the same as sonar being "sound" (or "sonic") and "radar".
Ummm... .... ......... you are a genious. Your Process gave you away.. that mouse you designed is actually the most Aesthetically pleasing mouse I have ever seen.
i think a vertical configuration would be best for reducing wrist strain long-term, but that does look extremely comfy, and the play-doh method has to be the best
@@Dachnik228 wouldn't we need to wait until he tested it properly to say if it works or not? also, I really don't think this would address most problems with using a mouse, and might I add, I wouldn't be caught dead using that thing😭
It actually is both because it’s very innovative but still dumb in a certain way In fact it’s still not very ergonomic because our hand isn’t used to be in that position. Even though it lays comfortably, the fingers still have to move a very unnatural way. There are actual ergonomic mouses already to buy and they‘re shaped very differently. With the thumb facing upwards. Please consider that for your second prototype
I vaguely remember that hands, in their most natural and (supposedly) most comfortable position, don't sit flat. When you think about it, when your hands are at your side, your palms are oriented toward your body. I'm guessing that rather than being flat against the surface of a table you'd be more comfortable angling them at about 45°.
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This is one of the main reasons the inventor of both the joystick and the mouse preferred the former.
Even though the actual A1 is 200$ more, it's a great investment because of the significantly larger size, and when you do big projects like a chair, the actual A1 is the way to go.
Ah yeah. All those explosions and guns and shouting and laugh tracks and ad breaks and background music, theme songs... Oh wait, they put noise in just about everything, huh? Oh, and right. People will complain about just about everything too. Even when they could just continue to enjoy the things they enjoy. I'm sure there's plenty of old TV this person hasn't watched... But they're here. On this random maker TH-cam channel. Annoyed that they aren't watching an old TV show. Because they chose to be here and watch this. For some reason. And found it unenjoyable. But they still watched it. For some reason. Then wasted time complaining about it. And now I'm wasting time making fun of them for that. Life's funny, ain't it?
I have one thought that nobody in the comments seems to be touching on and that's lifting the mouse to recenter your cursor position. With a normal mouse this is just an involuntary action because it's so easy to lift, but with this design I see no easy way of comfortably repositioning no matter the sensitivity you use. As many have said, a trackball or vertical position would add to comfort/ergo, BUT it would also eliminate this issue. If you don't like the trackball idea then make sure the design allows you to easily lift and reposition when needed. The ONLY other way I know of to deal with this issue of not lifting is to push your cursor on the edges of the screen when you wanna recenter which gets tedious very quickly.
Probably should get custom circuit board to raise the mouse wheel and make sure to get some padding at the base of the mouse, there's a reason we use mouse pads and that weird shiny plastic at the bottom of the mouse. Other than that probably model your hand in as well and cut off all the loose material from the sides.
The thing is its the best only for your hand specifically, thats why even ergonomic mouses still arent completely comfortable cause they hwve to fit a wide variety of hands
My mouse does not hurt my hand. Its the unnatural position of the shoulder that hurts. Congrats on solving a problem that nobody has. You area true Engineer
I have small hands so when I finally found a mouse I liked I just bought 3 or 4, but this seems like a great option if you're willing to put in the work
There is a lot of material you can remove on the bottom without sacrificing the area that your hand is coming in contact with by flaring out from a more narrow base.
An idea I had for the scroll wheel is to have the scroll wheel with another bigger wheel in the front. so it would be a when that you scroll that scrolls the scroll wheel (then you would have to invert the main scroll wheel in the software.)
I had the same idea! :) I was concerned that there may be some slippage between the two wheels, which may make it frustrating when you're trying to get that precise, single-click scroll.
Or a three wheel solution to prevent the inversion. And against slippage the wheels could be gears with teeth. The middle wheel would grip onto the "finger wheel" on the inside, that way the touched surface is still nice, but everything is tight.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosthree wheel is unnecessary, just use software or have one of the scroll wheels reversed (though I think the idea of 2 scroll wheels is worse then 1)
He has the gas mask for the plastic particulates at 1:25 I assume, and it’s funny because in my Engineering class we’d always be 3D printing and shaving plastic in a small room without any protection. It would sometime irritate my eyes and throat, so hopefully I don’t end up with some sort of disease in the future haha…
I like how you struggled to find a mouse that fit and settled for a recessed scroll wheel instead of just molding clay around a mouse and 3d printing a new ergonomic lol
One thing I'd suggest for version 2 is taking those long tails that support your wrist, trimming them down, and adding padding to them so it's a soft malleable surface for your wrist to lay and flex in instead of a bouple of hard shelves your wrist will bump up against when making finer wrist turns on the mouse.
EXACTLY what I was thinking, at least from a gamers perspective, there are 3 ways we move a mouse, arm, wrist and finger motion. I feel like this design limits you to arm motion
Though I wouldn’t think that it’s ugly, I’d think that it’s very interesting, it kinda looks like a pillow for your hand. And if I saw someone with that I wouldn’t think “that’s really ugly” I’d think “hmm, I wonder why it’s designed like that and what that shape is meant to achieve.” And then I’d ask you about it. It’s really cool.
Back in the day, Mice were always meant to be an addition and most tasks were still done via keyboard and keyboard shortcuts. But more and more mice are used so ergonomics is important! This should be a service offered for moulding arms and making custom mice supports.
Bruh, if the sponsorship is based on view count and his most-viewed video didn’t even reach 200k, now with this one hitting 2.7 million views, the company will have to pay him much more than the maximum of what they expected. Lmao. Good for him though.
After 20 years of using mice for way too long every day, my bones and muscles have aligned in such a way that my hands natural position is holding a mouse.
You can make your money back pretty easily. My friends and family know I'm pretty cheap because I am just making sure I pay for my printer and filament. I typically price in how many failures I think there could be as well
@@ryotaroshimada8311 No thanks. Hated it, flared up my cubital tunnel. Also, the hell is a ghub? You mean a Logitech G502 lol, ghub is the spyware they make you install.
You've introduced several problems while trying to solve a single problem. Congrats you are an engineer.
😂
Yeah and this will still cause carpal tunnel since your palm is still facing down like with regular mice.
An ergonomic mouse needs to at least be vertical to fit with the natural hand position. This doesn't even do that.
Now to slap a subscription model on it and we ship it!
@@st.altair4936 the problem with vertical mice is they are all freaking too small. I use one and it's much better than a regular mouse, but still too small to be fully comfortable...
The number of problems in a project is like a game of whack-a-mole-solve one, and two more pop up to keep things interesting.
Bro created a lot of problems and barely addressed them. Legend
Could you explain all of these problems?
@@furfekkia93 if he does it will lose the magic
@@furfekkia93i think those are already explained in the upper comment's reply section.
Eu entendendo todos esses problemas (entendi porra nenhuma)
@@Showa_Minilla :0 BR
Few thing's you should add!
1. Moust feet, less friction would be amazing for how much surface area that thing has.
2. dip it in some sort of rubber/silicone material to add comfort all around
3. add some sort of cushion near the wrist, similar to those anime boob mousepads
I think you're onto something big here, I would love to test it out!
But keep in mind that the coating limits the lifetime of the mouse. At some point that stuff will turn back into oil. First it gets extremely sticky, then it feels like peeling off tape that has been in the sun for a couple months. You'll wash your hands constantly, because using the mouse makes you feel as if you just ate a whole bag of chips.
the Rat pro X has ceramic feet, much less friction than the usual plastic, those are great.
and rubber coating gets disgusting real quick, i keep scraping it off the things that have it
I'm sorry, WHAT MOUSEPADS?
@BlueWhipper3D LOL
@@BlueWhipper3D Yeah, its a thing. People have said they're genuinely good for your wrist, since there are mouspads that take the same idea without it being tits.
You stumbled upon a design style that fps players might want to experiment with. A lot of long-term fps players will teach themselves "shoulder aiming", where the wrist and elbow don't move and all the movement is driven by the shoulder. You created a shoulder aim trainer: something that locks the wrist in place so aiming has to come from the shoulder. There is a huge niche you've advanced by years.
eh, shoulder aiming is not considered one of the best styles of aiming, but in reality you should be incorporating shoulder, wrist, and fingertip altogether to achieve the best aim possible. Shoulder aiming is limited by its large movements and lack of microadjustments, which in some cases might be alright, but most games nowadays focus on the microadjustment aspect of aim. Tracking and flicking are the main two methods for aiming, and fingertip aiming is perfect for tracking and perfect for small scale flicking. A couple years ago, maybe like pre covid shoulder aim was a main talking point but nowadays fingertip grip and aiming using your fingertips is considered the best possible solution for aim. Shoulder aim isnt really something that needs to be practiced, as due to its lack of accuracy for small scale movements, doesn't prioritize accuracy, but rather speed. And speed can be solved by putting more force into the arm. Again, this has to be balanced with a more precise amount of force into the fingertips which is why you'll see top aimers of today having a really good balance of all the aiming methods.
@kevl4n109 didn't say it was the best, just that people have been doing it. Yes it's difficult to be consistent, that's why it benefits from a trainer. Check out Fatmagic for an example of someone who flicks from the shoulder. It's done for health and longevity reasons; sometimes the instinctive aiming style will trash a wrist over the years.
The Apple Magic Mouse is the finger aimingtrainer and that might be the reason why it is disliked by many. Since I started gaming on the family iMac with a Magic Mouse I developed this weird finger aiming habit, this was broken after buying an ultralight gaming mouse.
Ahh, the Millenium Chicken Mouse.
I feel like it's certainly a good way to start with designing a personal ergonomic mouse, but here's a couple things that come to my mind.
1.) Large contact area. The way the Millenium Chicken shape contours the hand may be rather unwieldy in moving it around. Especially when you pick it up and try to tilt it with a familiar motion. The large contact area also introduces the issue of needing countless mousefeet to lift it up, or risking the bottom deforming enough to create friction with the table.
2.) Weight. The way this mouse is designed, the "wings" and the dome are both solid and while all in all the plastic might not be particularly heavy, I imagine the actual usable surface of the mouse is actually a lot smaller than what this design actually spends volumes of material for.
3.) Contact area. I imagine working with a mouse like that would eventually lead to sweaty hands with all the contact area the hand has against the plastic. I wonder if the area could thus be reduced by only leaving supports reaching all the way to the hand in places where they matter.
Honestly, i like that design. It has a certain organic/scifi vibe to it. Like a lump of meat, slapped on the table, functioning as an Interface. What you would expect from an Alien race where Computers are "grown". I wouldn't cal it body horror but it got a lot of the aesthetics i liked about it.
Yes! That’s what I was thinking.
looks like a pile of offal
I mean.. Have you seen the movie existenZ? This one looks way better than the device they use in the movie
Yea
reminds me of Scorn
you should add mouse skates to make it slide better without that 3d printed scraping noise :^)
he did after he made the video
Mouse Skates Sound fire I want a skate for my mouse too
@@generalobiwankenobi7579every mouse has mouse skates and if you have a relatively popular mouse you can buy even better aftermarket ones that fit perfectly
@@generalobiwankenobi7579or you could also simply buy dots which are way way nicer than the stock skates on shittier cheaper mice
the Rat pro X has ceramic skates, those are excellent, much less friction than the usual plastic
That mouse grip looks like half of a chicken breast and legs 😂😂😂
I was just about to say that
@playconveyor Please please paint it to look like a roast turkey!
I mean, my hand is generally pretty comfortable when holding a breast
@@TheCorruptedPegasi Okay buddy 💀
Ask the video in a comment bro nkt in a replie section its not like hes the one who made it 💀 @@buildtestbuild
0:20 i smelled that playdoh
I tasted it
@@PopPopChickenPopper 😂😂
"Nostalgia"
"I miss the Smell of nostalgia😢"
I literally feel how it tastes like
I came from your short, it was a breath of fresh air. Your short was strait to the point and made it easy to see more, your video also was strait to the point. Thank you sir. It's been awhile when the marketing side of things were just for fun and not targeting the person
As soon as the A1 made a sound I started to turn around and looked at mine "why are you making noi... oh it is in the video"
Same
That sound will forever be iconic
I used to own an A1, and i was confused on how it came back....
@@therealgamingfire It's haunting you mate. It always... comes back. You will be printing 4 colors on a mini bed forever and you'll like it.
@@hamingnu6610 id never cheat on my Bambu Lab X1 Carbon
Looks like what a cat would vomit after feasting of smurfs, but at least is comfy!
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This was hilarious to stumble apon
Smurf cat mentioned⁉️ LFG ❗️❕❗️❕🍄🐱
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Kinda looks like a stingray snuggled down in the sand to hunt.
Bro needed an excuse to unbox his new 3d printer😂😂
And justify his 1200€ phone
Yeah, this is pretty egregious as far as sponsored videos go. Feels way more forced than other people's sponsored content.
lol exactly mofo is doing a paid promo not a real video
tbh, you can do all this for free with 3D scanning a mold and with a cheap 3D printer.
@@julianklietz6558it’s a iphone 11 pro max man
LOL. So this is just one long commercial for Bambu labs. Props for hiding that.
I swear, every DIY youtuber is sponsored by Bambu Lab now and I love it
*Behold the best idea for the World's Comfiest Mouse:*
Add cushions for the lower palm/wrist support and trim the edges of the mouse to make it look smaller. Keep the indents as they are but add some bevels to remove sharp corners of the crater.
Optionally for extra ergonomics create the mouse for sideways use, aka a slight tilt for natural rotation of the wrist. For this one a U shaped cushion for wrist support would be gold.
Add a button or more to every finger to maximize power usability. I got 10 extra and would need at least 3 more and a wheel for the thumb. My cravings for more buttons was started with Fatal1ty gaming mouse, added by Silverstone Raven (that I had to mod to move some buttons and replace the massive thumb wheel with a lot smaller one), then a Logitech G300 took much away, though introduced the idea of having two extra buttons on each side on the very front. Roccat Tyon has now been the no1 contender for years, even though it's shape is too long for my hands, the indentation for the thumb is too shallow and occasionally I have a hard time gripping it good enough to get it to lift.
I wish I could get a mouse that has the features of the Tyon, plus:
-A premium scroll wheel with tilt and option for indexing/free rolling with adjustable brake/tension
-Two buttons right behind the scroll wheel
-Scroll wheel for the thumb (with indexing/free rolling)
-2 or more thumb buttons
-Better sensor
-More vertical design
Though it would probably cost 300-600+ dollars, like the Elecom M-DUX70BK
For gaming the cushion would be an awfull idea because every gamer knows your hand needs to touch the desk so you feel how far it goes, now yes its about comfort but if a mouse is annoying to use what is comfort.
@@TimmyGamingYT It's actually better to use your whole arm for more precise aiming, believe it or not, even better if you have support for your wrist on the mouse itself. It becomes like an extension of your body, samurai type shi.
I'm never doing this, but I'm extremely impressed you can do it in your bedroom with the right tools. We're living in a wild world!
yeah... with the right amount of money...
before this printers your bedroom just have to be bigger with machines and workingtables and you would get the same result. all about money - back then and it is today!
no body asked you??
@@r0bzz did you wrote this under every comment here? since no one ever asked for all these other comments, too.
@@Wrutschgeluck ur a robot
@@r0bzz are Trolls still a thing?
Might make sense to use a softer filament, for grip and handfeel.
This and also because there is significantly more surface area in contact with skin it would make sense to add a bunch of perforations and a little fan inside to allow ventilation and prevent uncomfortable sweat buildup
why are you guys educated in mouse 💀
@@calroy222 mouse industry is much bigger than you might think
🤓☝️
@@ParkerMorales-le4qdyou dont like the mouse industry?
this might be the best ad i've ever seen
Tbh This is the most stylist and comfortable mouse ive ever seen
I cannot express my gratitude for you linking the 3D scanning app in the description
edit: meaning that I am VERY GRATEFUL that the 3D scanning app (Polycam) was listed in the description. Because it’s convenient.
Polycam? Should be in your phone shop.
why not
Bruh these replies are brainrot
The issue with this is its still not Vertical mouse so ur hand bones are still crossed.
Pretty much this, it will be rested though, but in a way like twisting your back in a really comfortable bed
Yup. His "natural resting position" is more like "natural resting position if you let your hand rotate to match the hard table surface". Actual natural resting position isn't vertical either, more like 50 or 60 degrees up from flat. I think a 45 degree design would allow best ratio of comfort and control, personally. Higher angles require back pressure from the thumb to prevent it moving when pressing buttons, which becomes unergonomic, especially if you want to also eventually add thumb buttons for more functionality.
@@stephenkeen6044 u just like me pulling bs numbers to make a point
@@ElementBirdGaming Actually, been investigating this for a while and have measured it on a few people... It depends on desk height, etc, as you rotate naturally with arm position changes. Just so you know... The 45 degrees is something I've tested on myself and it's comfortable from about 30 to 45. Any higher and presses seem to create too much movement. Still working on proto, but would like to productise at some point.
@@ElementBirdGaming But... was my point made, regardless? Does it matter if the numbers aren't precise if it's something you can test yourself while sitting at your desk?
You don't normally move only your arm but your fingers also contribute to the mouse movement. Since this format kind of locks the mouse body to your wrist I think that a trackball mouse would benefit more this bigger format
agree, a vertical trackball would also be more aesthetic. and reposition the wheel to work with your middle finger, not your pointer.
@@ESDAFable The last part is very subjective. To me, using middle finger for the wheel is very uncomfortable.
@@ESDAFable Do you use the right mouse button with your ring finger?
Trackballs are great for editing and such where large instant movements aren't required. They suck for most games.
@@brianfoster7064 They... do not, I've been using one for almost 30 years now and yes I game and I am far from the only one.
3:15 looks like a thanksgiving turkey
It does
3:03 Erm is that a thanksgiving turkey?
HAHAHAHHAHAH
Haha lol
Mice are definitely more comfortable when they're larger. This is doubly true if you have big hands.
You may find that you get more *precision* out of smaller mice, though. That uncomfortable, slightly scrunched up grip allows you use your fingertips more and your elbow less. Which is good for precision, but worse for the tendons in your wrist.
fun fact that i have huge hands and i find small mouse most comfortable for me cus i am just moving it with 3 fingers xD and back of the mouse is somewhere at my pinky finger end so gives me kinda good balance when i want to be precise at like shooting in game , if mouse hits my palm it kinda feels very bad at least for me thats why i took smaller mouse :D
@@devraiden336 I have big hands and I small mouse makes my fingers cramp a lot after minutes of use but I also have nerve damage from getting cut up working. I'm thinking of trying a vertical mouse
@@novaenricarter705 u will run into one big problem with vertical mice, when u want to left or right click u have to squeeze inwards with both ur thumb and finger and can cause a different type of strain, it also causes most people to accidently move their cursor every time they go to click inadvertanly moving off what they were trying to click
@@fleepity I can understand that my largest mouse has that issue... I want one that's still flat but has a 45 ish degree angle for the hand placement. Maybe I should try 3d printing one lol
@@novaenricarter705 yea maybe, i do believe theres some mice with that incline but i dont remember the names
Thank you for not making this a 20-30 minute video!
just long enough to be interesting
This was like a YT short expanded. This man spend a crazy amount of time editing in addition to making the thing 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Yt shorts are just longer videos shortened down, not the other way round. Isnt that the whole point of them?
I hate the fact that this feels just like a short but longer. The constant jump cuts and the way he speak so fast with short sentences feels unnatural for a normal video.
@@joeaustin3312 i think he is trying to say that the whole video feels like a yt short
2:37 Lidar is not an acronym for Light Detection and Ranging, it's literally just a compound word of "light" and "radar", the same as sonar being "sound" (or "sonic") and "radar".
Sonar originates as an acronym for SOund Navigation And Ranging.
Laser Imaging Detection and Ranging🙏
Aaaaand what do you think radar stands for? Lmao
Confident but incorrect comments really will get 29 upvotes these days huh
2:55 bro really said 3d printing is quick
It is
Ummm... .... ......... you are a genious. Your Process gave you away.. that mouse you designed is actually the most Aesthetically pleasing mouse I have ever seen.
Genious
Almost buddy.
i thought the mouse was just covered with a fancy cloth in the thumbnail i didnt expect it to be an actual mouse
Same
Same
Different
Different
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Don’t sacrifice your comfort for others approval
I think it looks awesome. I love how different it is and the fact that it's comfortable is the Cherry on top. It genuinely looks super cool though
The image of the model at 4:47 looks like a turkey lol
That was what I was thinking
He ain’t wrong
That's how we draw turkeys in kindergarten
I just lived how fast paced and quick the video was
Really appreciate it
Those are the best kind of videos. Every information straight to the point without unnecessary fuss
Yes.
It looks like the alien gun from marathon.
Also looks like a wraith from halo
This video is a reason why I come to TH-cam after a long day.
i think a vertical configuration would be best for reducing wrist strain long-term, but that does look extremely comfy, and the play-doh method has to be the best
Invert right and left click, this helps.
This may be dumb, but it's actually the most innovation I've seen in mouse for decades
How can you call it dumb and innovative, in the same sentence 😂
If it works, it ain't stupid
@@Dachnik228 wouldn't we need to wait until he tested it properly to say if it works or not? also, I really don't think this would address most problems with using a mouse, and might I add, I wouldn't be caught dead using that thing😭
It actually is both because it’s very innovative but still dumb in a certain way
In fact it’s still not very ergonomic because our hand isn’t used to be in that position. Even though it lays comfortably, the fingers still have to move a very unnatural way.
There are actual ergonomic mouses already to buy and they‘re shaped very differently. With the thumb facing upwards.
Please consider that for your second prototype
check gun mouse, it's pretty nice
when i saw the wallpaper i thought the one titled STYLE was a pringle chip...
This sounds like a stealth ad.
I vaguely remember that hands, in their most natural and (supposedly) most comfortable position, don't sit flat. When you think about it, when your hands are at your side, your palms are oriented toward your body. I'm guessing that rather than being flat against the surface of a table you'd be more comfortable angling them at about 45°.
This is one of the main reasons the inventor of both the joystick and the mouse preferred the former.
The standard bambulab mouse is also comfortable 😂
I bought a bambu lab a1 mini because of your recent videos, and i have been enjoying it so much, thank you!
Great to hear you are enjoying it! It’s a great printer!
@@playconveyorare you sponsored by bambu?
Only the creator commented? let me fix that
(ik this is a trend dont bother me)
Even though the actual A1 is 200$ more, it's a great investment because of the significantly larger size, and when you do big projects like a chair, the actual A1 is the way to go.
If one didn't have adhd before, they will after this video. Oh, how I miss the ancient tv shows with serene and calm atmosphere.
Same 🥲
Me too, I just don't understand why destroying and throwing stuff around violently is considered cool nowadays, guess I'm a boomer 😂
@@renno257 I'd argue that we are just about the remaining sentient life on this planet. GenX, actually.
Ah yeah. All those explosions and guns and shouting and laugh tracks and ad breaks and background music, theme songs...
Oh wait, they put noise in just about everything, huh? Oh, and right. People will complain about just about everything too. Even when they could just continue to enjoy the things they enjoy.
I'm sure there's plenty of old TV this person hasn't watched... But they're here. On this random maker TH-cam channel. Annoyed that they aren't watching an old TV show. Because they chose to be here and watch this. For some reason. And found it unenjoyable. But they still watched it. For some reason. Then wasted time complaining about it. And now I'm wasting time making fun of them for that.
Life's funny, ain't it?
Also, insert obligatory 1966 Adam West Batman montage here complete with, "BIP!" "BAM!", "ZAP!", and "WHACK!".
3:28 looks like a chicken
Delicious chicken
Real
Thats what im thinking now, and 3:29 looks like a spider
I swear you can read my mind!! I've been doing this for my CAD class idea. I've been designing this for 2 weeks now and u spit it out on my youtube.
For some reason, this was the most satisfying unboxing I've seen so far (1:11). Watched it multiple times. 😅
It really is satisfying yeah
Its not just me then! ha ha, It was like watching an Arron Aronofsky hip hop montage..
I have one thought that nobody in the comments seems to be touching on and that's lifting the mouse to recenter your cursor position. With a normal mouse this is just an involuntary action because it's so easy to lift, but with this design I see no easy way of comfortably repositioning no matter the sensitivity you use. As many have said, a trackball or vertical position would add to comfort/ergo, BUT it would also eliminate this issue. If you don't like the trackball idea then make sure the design allows you to easily lift and reposition when needed. The ONLY other way I know of to deal with this issue of not lifting is to push your cursor on the edges of the screen when you wanna recenter which gets tedious very quickly.
0:40 WHAT IS THE EQUATION TO THAT GRAPH yes I’m a nerd
Bookworm and I’m studious
Just circles bro
@@m1ra1_is_coming From my cerebral cortex to my gluteus
Probably should get custom circuit board to raise the mouse wheel and make sure to get some padding at the base of the mouse, there's a reason we use mouse pads and that weird shiny plastic at the bottom of the mouse. Other than that probably model your hand in as well and cut off all the loose material from the sides.
Needs those little teflon stick-on "gliders" underneath.
You're looking for the word skates, also I prefer glass mouse skates.
The thing is its the best only for your hand specifically, thats why even ergonomic mouses still arent completely comfortable cause they hwve to fit a wide variety of hands
My mouse does not hurt my hand. Its the unnatural position of the shoulder that hurts.
Congrats on solving a problem that nobody has. You area true Engineer
I HAD THE PLAY-DOH IDEA FROM THE VERY START I WAS YELLING AT YOU TO USE PLAY-DOH
oh yes.. i've always wanted a chicken shaped mouse. that's exactly what I needed
i thought it looked more like a frog ngl
This is almost exactly what ive spent the last 8 months developing for my Masters XD almost right down to the same printer
Why does it look like my thanksgiving turkey?😆🤣
I know ,,or a dead frog 🐸
Ikr lol
You should make this a purchasable product! Its a masterpiece
do all 3D prints have the printer name embossed underneath the final print? At the bottom of the Purple printed mouse i saw Bambu Labs ?
I have small hands so when I finally found a mouse I liked I just bought 3 or 4, but this seems like a great option if you're willing to put in the work
This 3D printer ad has a nice concept for a mouse in it!
There is a lot of material you can remove on the bottom without sacrificing the area that your hand is coming in contact with by flaring out from a more narrow base.
I love all your videos-content- and style-wise-but this one kicked up a notch ever further with the musically syncopated sound effects 👏
Thanks!! Appreciate that, and thanks for watching 😃
An idea I had for the scroll wheel is to have the scroll wheel with another bigger wheel in the front. so it would be a when that you scroll that scrolls the scroll wheel (then you would have to invert the main scroll wheel in the software.)
I had the same idea! :)
I was concerned that there may be some slippage between the two wheels, which may make it frustrating when you're trying to get that precise, single-click scroll.
Or a three wheel solution to prevent the inversion.
And against slippage the wheels could be gears with teeth. The middle wheel would grip onto the "finger wheel" on the inside, that way the touched surface is still nice, but everything is tight.
@@HappyBeezerStudios that would work but you couldn't click the scroll wheel so you would need a sliding mechanism. so that you could click.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosthree wheel is unnecessary, just use software or have one of the scroll wheels reversed (though I think the idea of 2 scroll wheels is worse then 1)
I am just scrolling this comment
He has the gas mask for the plastic particulates at 1:25 I assume, and it’s funny because in my Engineering class we’d always be 3D printing and shaving plastic in a small room without any protection. It would sometime irritate my eyes and throat, so hopefully I don’t end up with some sort of disease in the future haha…
Uh oh.
*_uh_* *_oh_*
It is not about if, but when. You are literally introducing microscopic plastic particles directly into your lungs.
Microplastics are stored in the balls
Ebola
I like how you struggled to find a mouse that fit and settled for a recessed scroll wheel instead of just molding clay around a mouse and 3d printing a new ergonomic lol
I literally love how it looks, and I really want to take it to a coffee shop
One thing I'd suggest for version 2 is taking those long tails that support your wrist, trimming them down, and adding padding to them so it's a soft malleable surface for your wrist to lay and flex in instead of a bouple of hard shelves your wrist will bump up against when making finer wrist turns on the mouse.
there's quite a bit to mouse design
even for custom shapes you dont necessarily want to restrict where your fingers can move for example
EXACTLY what I was thinking, at least from a gamers perspective, there are 3 ways we move a mouse, arm, wrist and finger motion. I feel like this design limits you to arm motion
4:55 I'm Matt Farell, welcome to Undecided
What
😂
@@Snowflakester-h8t the music is at the start of Matt ferell s videos
this guy is like how to basic but that actually makes useful stuff
Give it a silicone spray coating and felt feet 👍
Never in my life have I complained about a mouse being uncomfortable. I didn't even know that was possible
3:51 it looks like a rotisserie chicken
this is so mood
Someone else noticed it lol
Interesting and well edited video❤
everyone's gangster with the mouse until your hand starts to *sweat*
Though I wouldn’t think that it’s ugly, I’d think that it’s very interesting, it kinda looks like a pillow for your hand. And if I saw someone with that I wouldn’t think “that’s really ugly” I’d think “hmm, I wonder why it’s designed like that and what that shape is meant to achieve.” And then I’d ask you about it. It’s really cool.
Notice how the video length is 6:21
Why should we notice that?
@AdamWorks_3d because 21 is divisible by 7
@@jovanmilosevix lol I’m referencing e-621
@AdamWorks_3d and 7x7 is 49 which is a odd number
Back in the day, Mice were always meant to be an addition and most tasks were still done via keyboard and keyboard shortcuts. But more and more mice are used so ergonomics is important! This should be a service offered for moulding arms and making custom mice supports.
I want one for myself now 😂
This is such an awsome idea and amazing execution
4:50 brings back memories
The music?
Same bro
The amount of friction on this mouse is crazy
I thought the excact same from the beginning. It is not a mouse for making snaping movements.
Is it wierd that I like the way it looks?
You know, I imagine getting really sweaty round your hand when you're going to be continuously strapping your hand into this mouse for hours
whats the song name at 4:50?
Ganja by Oyy
I gotcha bro
@beelzebub3920 thank you so much
@beelzebub3920nah it’s Jlaservideo song😁
Ur welcome
@@dojo6714bro thought he was the one who said the song
Can I use the model?
It looks like a turkey, to be honest. 2:18
frrrrr
Try coating the top with soft rubber for extra comfort & grip?
Rubber patches or heat treat the surface with "melting" rubber.
Ah great and you did all that in just 6 minutes! I think I'll try it out myself!
song at 4:49?
Ganja-ooyy
Bruh, if the sponsorship is based on view count and his most-viewed video didn’t even reach 200k, now with this one hitting 2.7 million views, the company will have to pay him much more than the maximum of what they expected. Lmao.
Good for him though.
Maybe I’m dumb. But Why the heck do u have a mask on while building the 3d printer😅
He doesn’t want to show his face…
@@_Plus_ he showed his face before dawg
@@jinox7133 bruh
Not sure, my first time here but my guess is he has a resin printer close by.
@@pierios826 oh
After 20 years of using mice for way too long every day, my bones and muscles have aligned in such a way that my hands natural position is holding a mouse.
Make sure to get mouse glides for the bottom of the mouse so it 1, glides across your desk easier, and 2, stops potential scratching to your desk
I really want a Bambu labs printer
Me too
You can make your money back pretty easily. My friends and family know I'm pretty cheap because I am just making sure I pay for my printer and filament. I typically price in how many failures I think there could be as well
@@xathridtech727so your saying your selling your prints to your family?
@@xathridtech727very smart. And cool they support your interests rather than expecting to always get free stuff ❤
same, currently using an ender 3 max
your buying the wrong mouse type
What's the right type
ghub G502 lightspeed?
You’re *
@@ryotaroshimada8311 No thanks. Hated it, flared up my cubital tunnel. Also, the hell is a ghub? You mean a Logitech G502 lol, ghub is the spyware they make you install.
@@ryotaroshimada8311opical sensor
5:52 what you came for..
Thx
The video is fun and interedting enough to not skip it though
@@David280GG fr, its fast paced enough
This is an ad
Talk about zero attention span lol. Stay on TH-cam shorts lil bro
Someone here from Green?
me