Nothing fancier than seeing Federation phaser strips power up and fire, and the sound effect is cool too. I loved the way the ones on the Galaxy Class were done on DS9.
it's ineffective. They shouldn't need information and control panels. Excluding actual physical activities, everything should be handled via plug in from their alcove.
@@Blackwind_Legacy That's something that bothers my for quite a while, too. Alarm sounds, screens that show the ship. All not necessary. The voiceover *may* make sense, if you consider it part of the hive mind. But aside from that, the ship can be steered from neural interfaces, the notifications should already be known to the entire ship crew anyways (one mind...), so... what's the point of all this?
@@soulessification But it does not need any alarm tone or something. They would be aware of any problem already. And the screen is also... strange, considering how often they don't even show themselves, when making contact. Maybe a maintenance device with a display makes sense. but the rest would already be in their minds.
well this is why the Borg suck they cannot adapt to their own over reacting high horse superiority which this clips show how the Borg end up biting more then they can chew with the loss of this probe a valuable set of resources and yet all lost and for what what did they hope to gain from it talk about such an inefficient waste of power and resources to get nothing for the risk if it was millions of stable Omega particles maybe but Voyager like common is that really worth the risk specially when they got taken out so quickly and easily
The Borg explosion wasn't from the photon torpedo , it was because of their faulty electrical wiring causing all those sparks . They needed an electrician .
Either that or the Queen blew it up after witnessing the sheer stupidity of that slow ass drone just stare at the torpedo while it’s counting down. “Yep, losing these guys would actually be a net benefit to the collective - initiate auto destruct”
@@agentinsidious7605 Why not just...not have doors that open with the push of a single button on its hull? Make the borg assimilate the concept of a screwdriver or something, at least.
“We are Borg. We have adapted. Executing psychological technique assimilated from Species 1337. Execute: Hello. We are the Borg. Join the Collective. We have coffee.”
Moral: You don't track mud on Superman's cape. You don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger, And you don't ever ... EVER ... mess with Janeway!
One thing to remember is that Seven of nine would have modified Voyager's weapons and shields for better defence against the borg. Without her, Voyager would be a much easier target even for a Probe
True, in some Normal Star Trek scenes, and also video games. The Intrepid classes are weak af. nothing for Janeway to stand for; especially for a major promotion in the delta quadrant.
@@2cwldys701 I'm guessing that's more of a gameplay balance thing. Even before all the mods they made to Voyager, the Intrepid class was one of the toughest ships in the fleet at the time.
@@TKDMaze92 I'd say so yes, The Intrepid class had the same type-X phasers as the galaxy class in addition to newer torpedoes. The Intrepid class possessed state of the art reactors, a state of the art warp core in addition to bio neural circuitry. But the Intrepid not only proved its worth in Voyager, it also proved it's worth during the Dominion war. Admiral Ross used an Intrepid class ship, the USS Bellerophon which he used as his flagship and took part in many battles during the war including the battle of cardassia prime where the ship survived.
Indeed, I was about to bring that up before I saw your posts. Borg vessels are basically extensions of the Collective, there is no need to manual operate systems as they are tied into the Collective.
I hate getting older. On one hand I like turning my brain off and enjoying Star Trek for what it is. On the other, I can't help asking my self questions like "if the Borg are advanced enough to have a hive mind linking ALL of them together across subspace, why are their ships so archaic that they still press physical buttons to operate it?"
I thinkt hey were a little bit less mencaing but that was a good thing for me because it meant I didn't have nightmares for a week after every borg episode
I like that we get an idea somewhat about how powerful Voyager actually was against the borg. Janeway says they can match the firepower of a borg probe about the same size as voyager. Every other encounter was either trickery, stealth (same tactics as TNG) or luck (The Drone). There is even one episode where the Queen says she wanted 7 on Voyager and left her there in the first place to learn about humanity. Voyager however did not outright beat any borg vessel. Even this probe is destroyed by beaming a torpedo onboard. They got better at defense due to the Intrepid being more advanced, One modifications(the Drone), 7 modifications, and the Hansons (7's parents) who evaded the borg for some time while studying them. Voyager retrieved all of the Hanson's research.
It's was a budget thing, they always wanted the borg to look the way they do in first contact and voyager but the budget for tng didn't allow it so when first contact happen they did what they wanted and then recycled it for voyager
Voyager did a lot of modifications to their ship, shield, and weapons to try and get home. Integrating Borg Tech with their Tech to survive. The regular federation ship in Alpha never did that because they never thought of it. They had ships they could call on where Voyager did not they had to learn to survive on their own.
+Jonathen Locke My theory is that if the Borg couldn't assimilate Voyager directly and quickly, then they would have to do it indirectly and slowly. Voyager used Borg Tech, and they used it more and more and more...so the Borg, in a way, WERE slowly assimilating them.
@@firnenlegacy I agree, but this is the case in general. If the borg beat you, you become borg. If you beat the borg, you've advanced yourselves towards perfection. Resistance is futile.
@@JesseBusman1996 Oh, rofl this was two years ago. I think what I was trying to say was that Voyager still made use of plenty of Borg technology (the Delta Flyer, for example) and that some of their developments were too good to resist. But I agree with the general case as well.
We should remember that the main territories of the Federation had entire fleets of ships, and after Wolf 359 the Federation went on a militarism campaign to bolster their defense in general, the USS Voyager had to make quite a few modifications just to survive a in a worst case scenario 7 decade trip through the galaxy a huge chunk dominated by the Borg, and even if they got past borg space they then had to find a way through Romulan space, which granted the Romulan Empire likely would've known because Voyagers first contact with the home territories was a Romulan secret science ship some 40 years before Voyager was deployed to the badlands
Wouldn't rematerialise. The signal would just scatter. Also, even the Borg are subject to the physical limits of the universe and it's for damn certain that my shield's are going to be back up.
I never understood why the Borg need to make manual inputs with buttons and whatnot. Wouldn't the ship itself just be connected to the hive mind? They also don't need such a large crew compliment on board either for this same reason...
You are partly correct. However, some of the primary systems still use manual controls for security reasons. It's basically anti-hacking security. Though I think the large crew is mostly there to facilitate the rapid assimilation of entire populations.
I also kind of wonder that. They are sending instructions using technology on the ship to be received by implants connected to drone's brains, and the instructions are to input an instruction into a machine on their vessel, the same vessel which sent out the instruction to the drone. Why not cut out the middle drone and transmit the message from the hive mind controller thing, to the machine on the vessel instead?
s0nnyburnett The lights flash on their body because each drone has flashling lights, the hive mind senses something wrong and i guess it triggers red lights?, I mean why even bring it up.
He was accessing the Collective mind, which would input commands into the other drones to go to those systems and do that stuff. They were able to open up panels to see the Borg babies in the first Borg episode, and they were able to open up the panel that contained Picard's uniform in BOBW. That shows interface panel technology.
yup.its a probe. and if you go online to memory alpha. or just google it, or play star trek armada 2. probe is a single rectangle like this. a assimilator is 2 rectangles with a central part.
@MrKellG if you watch the video it is obvious that the shields were damaged in the phaser exchange between Voyager and the Probe badly enough to allow for Voyager to beam onboard a torpedo. This is backed up by the statement "Regenerate primary shied matrix" just before the Photon Torpedo was beamed onboard indicating that the USS Voyager had done enough damage to the ship to knock out it's shield capacity in some form.
Borg logic seems like it's not always the same as having a perception of common sense. Not sure if the bliions or so of voices in their heads cloud their mind or either that or they are way too self confident.
I wished the writers would let the Borg have other different type of weapons that are not know of any species in the Alpha Quadrant. Like a beam that could destroy a entire planet or bombs that releases nanites into the air and assimilated people into Borgs. How Cubes can regenerate themselves like we saw in Q Who, but this time we see how it happens. Also showed us more of other unicomplex, maybe some oribiting around small stars, like the transwarp hub only more covered. Like a mini-Dyson Sphere lol That would make the Borg a early stage of type 3 civilization, since they can harness power from a star and do intergalactic travelling. Maybe they could build their own artificial moons like the Death Star.
When the Enterprise first scanned a Borg Cube it had no weapons of any kind on it, instead the tractor beams disabled ships shields, weapons, and engines allowing drones to beam aboard. It was equipped with a cutter beam though. The point was that the Borg don't blow up ships they defeat them by assimilating them and scrapping them for parts. That changed on Voyager to the Borg using weapons like any other ship. I like the assimilation only version better than Voyagers version, it's creepier.
Aprion Not if you establish a secondary subspace confinement field to keep the pattern buffer in transphasic equilibrium within the projection matrix. Surely the Borg had the rudimentary technology to accomplish this.
+FurryAminal Borg are adaptable.. but also pretty regimented about how they go about it, they may be capable of altering themselves to the dynamic of the scenario, but once they decide on a particular method of adaptation, altering it's base parameters is.. let's leave it at 'Difficult'.
Voyager probably equipped the torpedo with a transport inhibitor rigged to activate upon completion. They could have also taken out the probe's transporters along with the shields.
(cont'd) with advanced technology specifically designed to repel Borg attacks, and Unimatrix Zero, which was only a distraction to get some crew members on board, as Voyager was not trying to destroy the Borg ship. The Borg are not weak; Starfleet just figured out how to exploit the few weaknesses they have. We're badass like that.
This was the most inventive type of attack I've ever seen in any incarnation of Star Trek. The 2nd one (in my opinion) would be the introduction of the Federation TR-116 sniper rifle in DS9. (Firing a bullet from several bulkheads away from a target, beaming the fired bullet to appear just inches in front of the target (yet remaining its trajectory and momentum), and impaling the target/victim. Gruesome, yes, but still ingenious.
Drones walking over to wall panels, pushing buttons and looking at screens instead of just controlling the ship with their thoughts from their alcoves. Le sigh. The POINT of the Borg was that they were one with their ships. The ship thought something and it happened. No need to use fingers on keypads.
To be fair, it's only a probe. When you take into account the fact that the Borg's primary stomping ground, the Delta Quadrant, is significantly less advanced than the Alpha Quadrant, their probes don't need to have enough guns and shields to take on Voyager.
Never understood why they didn't just beam the nuke right outside the hull in SGA when the wraith enacted countermeasures. Nuclear warheads were proven to be effective even if they hit the outside of the hull, it just was too hard for any to make it past the dart fighter screen to be effective with traditional delivery methods.
You watch something like this and wonder how the Borg ever were a threat if they have to activate drones just to look at viewscreens or tap a control or whatever when they're literally networked to the ship and the entire Collective. On the flip side, it so neatly explains why the good guys always got such long pauses for dramatic tension.
That Probe just assimilated a family shuttle a day before, one mother and three fathers already drones stored in alcoves and seven children in maturation chambers on the probe until relocation and reassignment. Voyager wiped out a bloodline.
There should have been an outtake to this where Janeway turns to Tuvok and in her best Michael Caine accent shouts "you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"
The arrogance and hubris of the Borg, in that despite being in a sphere and facing an opponent of equal strength that they believe that they will defeat curated easily. Which proves to be their undoing.
@Defiant47 The 37's: 154. Distant Origins: 148. In the Flesh: 127. Timeless: 152. Dark Frontier: 143. Gravity: 152. Someone to Watch Over Me: 146. Author, Author: 146. Not to mention that a female Vulcan who appears out of nowhere in "repression" totally contradicting what we saw in "Counterpoint" and "Blood Fever". The producers just didn't care about the little details and that's why it did not become a GREAT show, just a good one.
The Borg in TNG were on super-powerful Cubes, this was a tiny scout probe that wouldn't have 1/10th the power of the TNG Borg Cube. It has reduced adaptive powers and stuff.
@miloootic Well the Borg said "Regenerate primary shield matrix", at which point the torpedo was beamed in. Most likely Voyager found a way to beam through their own shields but not anyone else's.
As FederationStarfleet alluded to, after destroying this ship, Janeway boasted something to the effect that "perhaps the Borg will think twice about attacking us again." Chakotay quickly corrected her and said, "It was just a 'probe'."
Like ShadowSonic2 said, Borg implants can obscure a drone's species. But also due to budgetary reasons, the producers generally don't show drones that are distinctly not human. Keep in mind that the galaxy is filled with humanoid species that are not outwardly distinguishable from humans. However, there has been a Klingon drone whose head ridges were visible on the show.
I agree with the original poster, the Borg were terrifying in TNG. Voyager, on the other hand, made them a lot less threatening by having one solitary Federation starship stomp them on a regular basis.
its funny how that more powerful than firing the entire slew of torpedos would be to just bring the enemy shields down and transport a C4 explosive inside and detonating it from within.
you think shields are the only defense a ship has? Most ships are Armored in some fasion or another, Borg ships even small ones Do have a lot of resistant. By Transporting a torp into a vital area like engines.. boom.
I too think that Voyager made the borg weak looking, I hate the episode where one of the Voyager crew (I can't remember which one, I think it's Chakotay) is stuck in some village of Borg deserters and they decide to heal him by getting into some spastic prayer circle and using their energy , it's not how the borg heal them selves in other episodes, and nano probes would have been a better explanation.
Watching Star Trek Voyager again, specifically this episode. *Vessel identified: Federation Starfleet, Intrepid Class, 143 lifeforms. Prepare for assimilation* "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." "Break off your pursuit or we'll open fire." "Irrelevant." "Is it? You scanned our vessel. You know we can match your firepower." *You will be assimilated*
A lot of people seem to hate how the Borg were weakened. I guess they producers had to weaken them because in their original configuration, and potential, they would have cake-walked the Federation and assimilated them.
hot2warm This isn't so much a problem with how they perceived the Borg though as a general problem with Voyager: the enemies in Voyager are designed to fit their role in a story rather than to be as capable as they were established as being, which kills any sense of consistency. You don't fear the Borg anymore because you know Voyager can beat them reliably even if it's a challenge. It's fine to not have a problem with this but usually people don't really care about a story if it doesn't work with the setting that's established for it. The Borg weren't the most advanced race encountered in TNG (everything from living warships to Q to aliens who can suffocate the whole Enterprise crew by pressing a button) but they were the classic threat because of how they were established. Now for the rant: The writers for Voyager took a race that never had many ships in TNG and gave them vast armadas, First Contact turned their drones into unstoppable zombies that only a handful of could easily take over ships, then they gave the Borg who originally relied on Warp technologies like Transwarp that should have turned a technologically-superior race like the Borg into juggernauts. Simultaneously, whereas a Cube in one battle after taking a pounding from a Galaxy-class, wandered over to every ship the Federation had between it and Earth along with supposedly a few Klingon ships, and obliterated them. They were very deliberate also in TNG, where they used the tractor beam to disable and cripple one ship, then they sawed it apart with the cutting beam or alternatively used the disruptor to take down shields before using their cutting beam on the warp core. Suddenly in Voyager, their weapons are pathetic and do minimal damage (rather than a few shots being able to blast apart a vessel; suddenly facing 2 ships is too much for a tactical cube to handle even though a heavily-damaged cube in first contact was still fighting 40 ships at once). They took out the unique weapons they had (cutting beam becomes the same as the phaser on a Klingon Vor'cha, and their disruptor gets replaced by big radioactive torpedoes; neither of these is specialized or deliberate, instead being the same old tech that every other race uses, while the tractor beam is no longer a game-changing weapon that is able to kill shields by itself). They both dumbed down their capabilities and dumbed-down their apparent intelligence to the point of suggesting that rather than the Borg capacity to adapt being an advantage, it was actually a crutch and otherwise they couldn't think at all.
I would point out to both of you that in TNG, the crew of the Enterprise successfully introduced the concept of individuality to the Borg through Hugh. This caused startling alterations to the collective and is likely indirectly responsible for the less efficient and more sinister Borg that we see by the time of Voyager.
Nice of Voyager that they put the torpedo on some pedestal so that Borg did not have to kneel. The Borg could have dematerialized that torpedo and deleted the pattern buffer.
Man, an opening like this could have been so cool if only they thought things through. It was a perfect opportunity to peak into the hivemind, to see how efficiently everything functioned, to get a glimpse of how risibly outmatched Voyager was compared to the Borg. Imagine this for a cold opening. There is what seems like green-tinted static on the screen. The only sounds the viewer hears are a low monotonous hum from countless voices speaking in unison. Then the camera starts zooming in the bottom left hand corner of the screen.The individual pixels making up the static resolve into hundreds of ships being engage all around Borg space. The monotonous hum thins out and individual, disjointed commands can be heard. The camera zooms in further and focuses in one ship. Finally voyager comes into view. The audio becomes clear and simple commands can be heard: "Federation vessel Voyager detected in sector x,y,z. Intercept. Neutralize. Assimilate." Instead what we see are drones leisurely moving about and relying on what looks like a tactile interface (that isn't even currently 'manned'!) to identify the ship they're pursing. It's one of the reasons that the Borg lost so much of their mystique from TNG. Every time you saw the inside of a Borg ship in TNG, you got the impression that you were looking a tiny portion of some unimaginably larger machine. Every time you saw the inside of a Borg ship in Voyager, it was like watching a bunch of High School employees shuffle around a theme park, reluctantly doing their jobs.
@80smusicfanNO1 It was Gilligan's Island because they were never going to find a way home until the series finale, and always moving meant they'd never stay in one play to ever flesh anything/anyplace/any new enemies out properly. And exploring "new things" would just make viewers angrier because it took away from them always moving on their way back to Earth. So they couldn't flesh anything out, and they couldn't explore properly, all because of the premise.
Yes, it's just that the Borg conversions turn the skin grey and since most Trek aliens are the rubber forehead types the borg implants make it harder to tell unless we get close up looks at them.
@billyboyjennings Exactly, the borg could have beamed the torpedo back before Voyager put its shields back up after beaming it....or they could have beamed it into space. Most species probably wouldnt be able to do this fast enough, but these are BORG ! lol
Nothing fancier than seeing Federation phaser strips power up and fire, and the sound effect is cool too. I loved the way the ones on the Galaxy Class were done on DS9.
shame we can see that in Discovery!!! watching this is a real beauty!
In Discovery it's just "pew pew pew"
Beams:Overload. I love it!
wait til you see USS Enterprise D attack inside Borg cube...
Janeway:"Now THIS is how I prefer the Borg...in pieces."
Various types of species pieces.
It's damn cool to see a fight from the Borg's perspective. Damn fascinating.
it's ineffective. They shouldn't need information and control panels. Excluding actual physical activities, everything should be handled via plug in from their alcove.
@@Blackwind_Legacy Nah, they have to go out and get stuck in as it's a probe-class which is probably less fancy than a full on cube.
@@Blackwind_Legacy That's something that bothers my for quite a while, too. Alarm sounds, screens that show the ship. All not necessary. The voiceover *may* make sense, if you consider it part of the hive mind. But aside from that, the ship can be steered from neural interfaces, the notifications should already be known to the entire ship crew anyways (one mind...), so... what's the point of all this?
@@MobilerInfanterist Even a ship needs basic maintenance. Not rocket science
@@soulessification But it does not need any alarm tone or something. They would be aware of any problem already. And the screen is also... strange, considering how often they don't even show themselves, when making contact. Maybe a maintenance device with a display makes sense. but the rest would already be in their minds.
"Starfleet photon torpedo... disarm weapon... take your time!"
And what's up with the warning klaxons?!
''security breach...Star Fleet photon torpedo...activate klaxon...klaxon engaged...torpedo detonation imminent..activate Wilhelm scream...''
+TsutomuTomutsu
Could not have said it better myself!..
you took way to long borg drones you should have had it disarmed before it could detonate I mean seriously🤣🤣
He was like: finaly salvation of this horror. Lets take me as long as it needs.
"Assimilate This!" - Worf, Son of Mogh.
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"Break off your pursuit or we'll open fire"
"Irelevant..."
"Is it?"
It wasn't
well this is why the Borg suck they cannot adapt to their own over reacting high horse superiority which this clips show how the Borg end up biting more then they can chew with the loss of this probe a valuable set of resources and yet all lost and for what what did they hope to gain from it talk about such an inefficient waste of power and resources to get nothing for the risk if it was millions of stable Omega particles maybe but Voyager like common is that really worth the risk specially when they got taken out so quickly and easily
The Borg explosion wasn't from the photon torpedo , it was because of their faulty electrical wiring causing all those sparks . They needed an electrician .
They do, they just lost the knowledge to assimilating idiots
no fuse box... tsk tsk
You'd think they'd have assimilated at least one in their time.
Either that or the Queen blew it up after witnessing the sheer stupidity of that slow ass drone just stare at the torpedo while it’s counting down.
“Yep, losing these guys would actually be a net benefit to the collective - initiate auto destruct”
Come to think of it, it IS kind of odd they never dealt with the sparks of electricity inside their cubes and probes.
Such a class opening sequence, especially with the Borg's opening line, chills.
That drone when he was opening up the torpedo: "Hm...I wonder what those red lights are flashing for..." [cocks head in interest]
It was modified so that the borg didn't know how to disarm it. It was confusion
Reminded me when dogs turn their head when you talk to them, just much less cuter
@@felipepineda1585 I’ve seen some pretty ugly dogs that would give that drone a run for its money.
@@agentinsidious7605 Why not just...not have doors that open with the push of a single button on its hull? Make the borg assimilate the concept of a screwdriver or something, at least.
Borg Queen: Note to self, don't mess with Janeway when she has ran out of coffee.
Note to us*
“We are Borg. We have adapted. Executing psychological technique assimilated from Species 1337. Execute: Hello. We are the Borg. Join the Collective. We have coffee.”
Probably one of the best intros to an episode i've seen.
Spihk Heartbust!? Make sure to tell Vinny to make sure Bozeman Hotmail Recipient does not get a traffic light ticket from Warwick ri!?
i married a borg but she was too single minded for me
If you wish to implant you must assimilate
“The Borg do not reproduce in this fashion”
@@kenp7814 lol!
what do you think happens at Mecca every year? Thousands of mindless drones , circle around a large black cube. Think about that.
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Moral:
You don't track mud on Superman's cape.
You don't spit into the wind.
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger,
And you don't ever ... EVER ... mess with Janeway!
Troubleshooter125 ahhh gravediggaz
One thing to remember is that Seven of nine would have modified Voyager's weapons and shields for better defence against the borg. Without her, Voyager would be a much easier target even for a Probe
True, in some Normal Star Trek scenes, and also video games. The Intrepid classes are weak af. nothing for Janeway to stand for; especially for a major promotion in the delta quadrant.
@@2cwldys701 I'm guessing that's more of a gameplay balance thing. Even before all the mods they made to Voyager, the Intrepid class was one of the toughest ships in the fleet at the time.
@@ZephWraen Agreed
Actually an Intrepid Class has a more heavy armament than a Galaxy Class.
@@TKDMaze92 I'd say so yes, The Intrepid class had the same type-X phasers as the galaxy class in addition to newer torpedoes. The Intrepid class possessed state of the art reactors, a state of the art warp core in addition to bio neural circuitry.
But the Intrepid not only proved its worth in Voyager, it also proved it's worth during the Dominion war.
Admiral Ross used an Intrepid class ship, the USS Bellerophon which he used as his flagship and took part in many battles during the war including the battle of cardassia prime where the ship survived.
That expression of that Borg working on the torp, priceless 😂
Janeway: "You were only suppose to blow the bloody doors off."
Indeed, I was about to bring that up before I saw your posts. Borg vessels are basically extensions of the Collective, there is no need to manual operate systems as they are tied into the Collective.
I hate getting older. On one hand I like turning my brain off and enjoying Star Trek for what it is. On the other, I can't help asking my self questions like "if the Borg are advanced enough to have a hive mind linking ALL of them together across subspace, why are their ships so archaic that they still press physical buttons to operate it?"
This wasn't a cube, it was a probe. Granted it was a Borg probe, but maybe probes operate differently from the cubes?
A lot of people say the Borg "Voyager" and later are not creepy, but I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. They do come off as menacing even here.
I thinkt hey were a little bit less mencaing but that was a good thing for me because it meant I didn't have nightmares for a week after every borg episode
They come off as cartoon villains here.
@WatchThis-ek2og I agree but they were, in a rare way, scary here lol
I like that we get an idea somewhat about how powerful Voyager actually was against the borg. Janeway says they can match the firepower of a borg probe about the same size as voyager. Every other encounter was either trickery, stealth (same tactics as TNG) or luck (The Drone). There is even one episode where the Queen says she wanted 7 on Voyager and left her there in the first place to learn about humanity. Voyager however did not outright beat any borg vessel. Even this probe is destroyed by beaming a torpedo onboard. They got better at defense due to the Intrepid being more advanced, One modifications(the Drone), 7 modifications, and the Hansons (7's parents) who evaded the borg for some time while studying them. Voyager retrieved all of the Hanson's research.
The Borg assimilated the Hansens and their research, including the bio-dampeners they had used to infiltrate Borg ships without detection.
This show in in need of an HD-remastering.
The Borg were more cinema-pretty in "Voyager" and even in "First Contact." In "TNG" they were more gritty.
Agreed
The drone makeup got noticeably better in FC and then Voyager compared to TNG, it went from plain solid grey to mottled.
@Dawson Davis no it was not scary. "TNG" Borg stomps the shit out of all subsequent TV appearances of them
It's was a budget thing, they always wanted the borg to look the way they do in first contact and voyager but the budget for tng didn't allow it so when first contact happen they did what they wanted and then recycled it for voyager
@@mikeyc2110 bullshit. "TNG" Borg were meant to always be like that
I wish I can remain as calm and collected like the Borg after a photon torpedo has been beamed onto the ship.
1:29 Collective: "regenerate primary shied matrix, remodulate weapons"
Drone thinks to himself "ah here is the one button that... efficient" :P
My wife: the cybermen voices from doctor who are creepy
Me: (plays this clip to her)
Voyager did a lot of modifications to their ship, shield, and weapons to try and get home. Integrating Borg Tech with their Tech to survive. The regular federation ship in Alpha never did that because they never thought of it. They had ships they could call on where Voyager did not they had to learn to survive on their own.
+Jonathen Locke My theory is that if the Borg couldn't assimilate Voyager directly and quickly, then they would have to do it indirectly and slowly. Voyager used Borg Tech, and they used it more and more and more...so the Borg, in a way, WERE slowly assimilating them.
@@firnenlegacy I agree, but this is the case in general. If the borg beat you, you become borg. If you beat the borg, you've advanced yourselves towards perfection. Resistance is futile.
@@JesseBusman1996 Oh, rofl this was two years ago. I think what I was trying to say was that Voyager still made use of plenty of Borg technology (the Delta Flyer, for example) and that some of their developments were too good to resist. But I agree with the general case as well.
We should remember that the main territories of the Federation had entire fleets of ships, and after Wolf 359 the Federation went on a militarism campaign to bolster their defense in general, the USS Voyager had to make quite a few modifications just to survive a in a worst case scenario 7 decade trip through the galaxy a huge chunk dominated by the Borg, and even if they got past borg space they then had to find a way through Romulan space, which granted the Romulan Empire likely would've known because Voyagers first contact with the home territories was a Romulan secret science ship some 40 years before Voyager was deployed to the badlands
1:50 I love the one borg sleeping in his alcove during the battle
"A vessel has been detected, unimatrix 242, grid 116, activate"
Apparently that drone didn't understand that 'dis-arm weapon' didn't mean stand there and stare at it until it went off.
Detonation upon completion of transport would be a lot smarter.
Wouldn't rematerialise. The signal would just scatter. Also, even the Borg are subject to the physical limits of the universe and it's for damn certain that my shield's are going to be back up.
Disarm weapon, but take your time. It's not like the torpedo is armed
"Your only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!!"
*You're
I never understood why the Borg need to make manual inputs with buttons and whatnot. Wouldn't the ship itself just be connected to the hive mind? They also don't need such a large crew compliment on board either for this same reason...
To control anything you have to have boots on the ground...
You are partly correct. However, some of the primary systems still use manual controls for security reasons. It's basically anti-hacking security.
Though I think the large crew is mostly there to facilitate the rapid assimilation of entire populations.
I also kind of wonder that. They are sending instructions using technology on the ship to be received by implants connected to drone's brains, and the instructions are to input an instruction into a machine on their vessel, the same vessel which sent out the instruction to the drone. Why not cut out the middle drone and transmit the message from the hive mind controller thing, to the machine on the vessel instead?
More over why do they need flashing lights to know something is wrong? Do the borg have OSHA approve gear?
s0nnyburnett The lights flash on their body because each drone has flashling lights, the hive mind senses something wrong and i guess it triggers red lights?, I mean why even bring it up.
I guess beaming bombs into enemy vessels can work if you can surprise them. At least I think so
or at lest next to an enemy vessels
Aka the Transporter Bomb. An actual tactic in a few of the old ST games. Along with beaming mines directly on top of enemy ships.
Now we know, the Borg are not very good disarming Photon Torpedoes.
He was accessing the Collective mind, which would input commands into the other drones to go to those systems and do that stuff. They were able to open up panels to see the Borg babies in the first Borg episode, and they were able to open up the panel that contained Picard's uniform in BOBW. That shows interface panel technology.
yup.its a probe. and if you go online to memory alpha. or just google it, or play star trek armada 2. probe is a single rectangle like this. a assimilator is 2 rectangles with a central part.
@MrKellG if you watch the video it is obvious that the shields were damaged in the phaser exchange between Voyager and the Probe badly enough to allow for Voyager to beam onboard a torpedo. This is backed up by the statement "Regenerate primary shied matrix" just before the Photon Torpedo was beamed onboard indicating that the USS Voyager had done enough damage to the ship to knock out it's shield capacity in some form.
The Borg have transporters don't they? Just transport the thing back out into space.
Borg logic seems like it's not always the same as having a perception of common sense. Not sure if the bliions or so of voices in their heads cloud their mind or either that or they are way too self confident.
It worked for Geordi in "The High Ground".
I've been looking everywhere for the intro to Dark Frontier! Thanks so much for uploading it. :D
I wished the writers would let the Borg have other different type of weapons that are not know of any species in the Alpha Quadrant. Like a beam that could destroy a entire planet or bombs that releases nanites into the air and assimilated people into Borgs. How Cubes can regenerate themselves like we saw in Q Who, but this time we see how it happens. Also showed us more of other unicomplex, maybe some oribiting around small stars, like the transwarp hub only more covered. Like a mini-Dyson Sphere lol That would make the Borg a early stage of type 3 civilization, since they can harness power from a star and do intergalactic travelling. Maybe they could build their own artificial moons like the Death Star.
Budget.
Nobody wants star wars trek lol
When the Enterprise first scanned a Borg Cube it had no weapons of any kind on it, instead the tractor beams disabled ships shields, weapons, and engines allowing drones to beam aboard. It was equipped with a cutter beam though. The point was that the Borg don't blow up ships they defeat them by assimilating them and scrapping them for parts. That changed on Voyager to the Borg using weapons like any other ship. I like the assimilation only version better than Voyagers version, it's creepier.
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What about, you know, just beaming it back off your ship again....?
Once a photon torpedo has been armed, attempting to beam it away will actually set it off.
Aprion Not if you establish a secondary subspace confinement field to keep the pattern buffer in transphasic equilibrium within the projection matrix. Surely the Borg had the rudimentary technology to accomplish this.
Aprion Nuts!
+FurryAminal Borg are adaptable.. but also pretty regimented about how they go about it, they may be capable of altering themselves to the dynamic of the scenario, but once they decide on a particular method of adaptation, altering it's base parameters is.. let's leave it at 'Difficult'.
Voyager probably equipped the torpedo with a transport inhibitor rigged to activate upon completion. They could have also taken out the probe's transporters along with the shields.
'uh oh'
- 'roger roger-
😅😅
(cont'd) with advanced technology specifically designed to repel Borg attacks, and Unimatrix Zero, which was only a distraction to get some crew members on board, as Voyager was not trying to destroy the Borg ship. The Borg are not weak; Starfleet just figured out how to exploit the few weaknesses they have. We're badass like that.
This was the most inventive type of attack I've ever seen in any incarnation of Star Trek.
The 2nd one (in my opinion) would be the introduction of the Federation TR-116 sniper rifle in DS9. (Firing a bullet from several bulkheads away from a target, beaming the fired bullet to appear just inches in front of the target (yet remaining its trajectory and momentum), and impaling the target/victim. Gruesome, yes, but still ingenious.
Great idea to beam a photon torpedo into their ship. But why such a delay for detonation? They had enough time to beam it off their ship.
Drones walking over to wall panels, pushing buttons and looking at screens instead of just controlling the ship with their thoughts from their alcoves. Le sigh. The POINT of the Borg was that they were one with their ships. The ship thought something and it happened. No need to use fingers on keypads.
To be fair, it's only a probe. When you take into account the fact that the Borg's primary stomping ground, the Delta Quadrant, is significantly less advanced than the Alpha Quadrant, their probes don't need to have enough guns and shields to take on Voyager.
In Star Fleet Battles, this was called a T-Bomb (transporter bomb). It was pretty effective there too.
I kinda liked the Stargate version more, where they'd beam a nuke in the heart of the ship.
A photon torpedo is an antimatter warhead so...
Never understood why they didn't just beam the nuke right outside the hull in SGA when the wraith enacted countermeasures. Nuclear warheads were proven to be effective even if they hit the outside of the hull, it just was too hard for any to make it past the dart fighter screen to be effective with traditional delivery methods.
HellsRaven4444 nope, they only say that they were jammed from beaming on board the ship
Mark Jones replying to the wrong person
2:01 That drone was like: DAMN, I shouldn't have skipped "Disarming Starfleet Photon Torpedoes" Class at Drone School. :0
Even after all this time this still gives me chills everytime i see this episode...
Wow, this was uploaded over 7 years ago and I'm only just seeing this episode now.
You watch something like this and wonder how the Borg ever were a threat if they have to activate drones just to look at viewscreens or tap a control or whatever when they're literally networked to the ship and the entire Collective. On the flip side, it so neatly explains why the good guys always got such long pauses for dramatic tension.
That Probe just assimilated a family shuttle a day before, one mother and three fathers already drones stored in alcoves and seven children in maturation chambers on the probe until relocation and reassignment. Voyager wiped out a bloodline.
"We can match your firepower!"
Janeway then proceeded to let the Borg get off fove phaser blasts before returning fire
There should have been an outtake to this where Janeway turns to Tuvok and in her best Michael Caine accent shouts "you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"
Borg response:
Oh look they beamed a bomb on board, let's walk slowly towards it and stare. Maybe it'll go away.
The arrogance and hubris of the Borg, in that despite being in a sphere and facing an opponent of equal strength that they believe that they will defeat curated easily. Which proves to be their undoing.
@Defiant47
The 37's: 154. Distant Origins: 148. In the Flesh: 127. Timeless: 152. Dark Frontier: 143. Gravity: 152. Someone to Watch Over Me: 146. Author, Author: 146. Not to mention that a female Vulcan who appears out of nowhere in "repression" totally contradicting what we saw in "Counterpoint" and "Blood Fever". The producers just didn't care about the little details and that's why it did not become a GREAT show, just a good one.
lol guy sleeping on the job while proton torpedo sits there
The Borg in TNG were on super-powerful Cubes, this was a tiny scout probe that wouldn't have 1/10th the power of the TNG Borg Cube. It has reduced adaptive powers and stuff.
Love the music in this! Wish they released it.
With all those sparking electrical problems, apparently the Borg assimilated the guy who designed all the Federation bridge consoles.
@miloootic Well the Borg said "Regenerate primary shield matrix", at which point the torpedo was beamed in. Most likely Voyager found a way to beam through their own shields but not anyone else's.
You'd think being a hive mind would mean they wouldn't have to walk to and press buttons on a console.
They were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!!
As FederationStarfleet alluded to, after destroying this ship, Janeway boasted something to the effect that "perhaps the Borg will think twice about attacking us again." Chakotay quickly corrected her and said, "It was just a 'probe'."
I wish, beaming torpedos at other ships would be a skill in Star Trek Online
Like ShadowSonic2 said, Borg implants can obscure a drone's species. But also due to budgetary reasons, the producers generally don't show drones that are distinctly not human. Keep in mind that the galaxy is filled with humanoid species that are not outwardly distinguishable from humans. However, there has been a Klingon drone whose head ridges were visible on the show.
I agree with the original poster, the Borg were terrifying in TNG. Voyager, on the other hand, made them a lot less threatening by having one solitary Federation starship stomp them on a regular basis.
2:00 that Borg drone be like: there are no wires on this thing! what am I supposed to cut?
That's a new ploy: Teleport a torpedo onboard another ship.
its funny how that more powerful than firing the entire slew of torpedos would be to just bring the enemy shields down and transport a C4 explosive inside and detonating it from within.
you think shields are the only defense a ship has? Most ships are Armored in some fasion or another, Borg ships even small ones Do have a lot of resistant. By Transporting a torp into a vital area like engines.. boom.
The Borg, they desire to know... everybody...
Rotate shield-modulating frequencies... that
usually buys one time.
It's funny how the Borg had a bad look on his face when the bomb went off. They weren't expecting THAT plan!
Glad someone figured out that if the Borg don't have shields, you can just teleport bombs over instead of an Away Team.
“Starfleet photon torpedo... disarm weapon... psyche!!! Beam weapon back into space! Even better, beam as close to Voyager as possible”
I too think that Voyager made the borg weak looking, I hate the episode where one of the Voyager crew (I can't remember which one, I think it's Chakotay) is stuck in some village of Borg deserters and they decide to heal him by getting into some spastic prayer circle and using their energy , it's not how the borg heal them selves in other episodes, and nano probes would have been a better explanation.
I love Jay Chattaway's Borg Theme in this episode.
“Starfleet photo torpedo... transport back into space”
..."you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off"....😃😃😃
strange enough that the photontorpedo could be transportered trough the cube,s adaptive shield
I bet the collective at that very last second was like: oh son of a B....
Watching Star Trek Voyager again, specifically this episode. *Vessel identified: Federation Starfleet, Intrepid Class, 143 lifeforms. Prepare for assimilation*
"We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
"Break off your pursuit or we'll open fire."
"Irrelevant."
"Is it? You scanned our vessel. You know we can match your firepower."
*You will be assimilated*
the old trick of the teletransported nuke, fucking the badguys since the first stargate movie
"Your cervix is fully dilated, congratulations, you may now give birth. "
A lot of people seem to hate how the Borg were weakened. I guess they producers had to weaken them because in their original configuration, and potential, they would have cake-walked the Federation and assimilated them.
hot2warm This isn't so much a problem with how they perceived the Borg though as a general problem with Voyager: the enemies in Voyager are designed to fit their role in a story rather than to be as capable as they were established as being, which kills any sense of consistency. You don't fear the Borg anymore because you know Voyager can beat them reliably even if it's a challenge. It's fine to not have a problem with this but usually people don't really care about a story if it doesn't work with the setting that's established for it. The Borg weren't the most advanced race encountered in TNG (everything from living warships to Q to aliens who can suffocate the whole Enterprise crew by pressing a button) but they were the classic threat because of how they were established.
Now for the rant:
The writers for Voyager took a race that never had many ships in TNG and gave them vast armadas, First Contact turned their drones into unstoppable zombies that only a handful of could easily take over ships, then they gave the Borg who originally relied on Warp technologies like Transwarp that should have turned a technologically-superior race like the Borg into juggernauts.
Simultaneously, whereas a Cube in one battle after taking a pounding from a Galaxy-class, wandered over to every ship the Federation had between it and Earth along with supposedly a few Klingon ships, and obliterated them. They were very deliberate also in TNG, where they used the tractor beam to disable and cripple one ship, then they sawed it apart with the cutting beam or alternatively used the disruptor to take down shields before using their cutting beam on the warp core.
Suddenly in Voyager, their weapons are pathetic and do minimal damage (rather than a few shots being able to blast apart a vessel; suddenly facing 2 ships is too much for a tactical cube to handle even though a heavily-damaged cube in first contact was still fighting 40 ships at once). They took out the unique weapons they had (cutting beam becomes the same as the phaser on a Klingon Vor'cha, and their disruptor gets replaced by big radioactive torpedoes; neither of these is specialized or deliberate, instead being the same old tech that every other race uses, while the tractor beam is no longer a game-changing weapon that is able to kill shields by itself). They both dumbed down their capabilities and dumbed-down their apparent intelligence to the point of suggesting that rather than the Borg capacity to adapt being an advantage, it was actually a crutch and otherwise they couldn't think at all.
I would point out to both of you that in TNG, the crew of the Enterprise successfully introduced the concept of individuality to the Borg through Hugh. This caused startling alterations to the collective and is likely indirectly responsible for the less efficient and more sinister Borg that we see by the time of Voyager.
Nice of Voyager that they put the torpedo on some pedestal so that Borg did not have to kneel.
The Borg could have dematerialized that torpedo and deleted the pattern buffer.
"disarm weapon"
*borg drone looks blank for a few seconds*
This scene creeps me out every time I see it.
I screamed that back in Best of Both Worlds STNG. If you can beam people aboard..... why not beam some torpedoes aboard???????
Man, an opening like this could have been so cool if only they thought things through. It was a perfect opportunity to peak into the hivemind, to see how efficiently everything functioned, to get a glimpse of how risibly outmatched Voyager was compared to the Borg.
Imagine this for a cold opening.
There is what seems like green-tinted static on the screen. The only sounds the viewer hears are a low monotonous hum from countless voices speaking in unison.
Then the camera starts zooming in the bottom left hand corner of the screen.The individual pixels making up the static resolve into hundreds of ships being engage all around Borg space. The monotonous hum thins out and individual, disjointed commands can be heard.
The camera zooms in further and focuses in one ship. Finally voyager comes into view. The audio becomes clear and simple commands can be heard: "Federation vessel Voyager detected in sector x,y,z. Intercept. Neutralize. Assimilate."
Instead what we see are drones leisurely moving about and relying on what looks like a tactile interface (that isn't even currently 'manned'!) to identify the ship they're pursing. It's one of the reasons that the Borg lost so much of their mystique from TNG. Every time you saw the inside of a Borg ship in TNG, you got the impression that you were looking a tiny portion of some unimaginably larger machine. Every time you saw the inside of a Borg ship in Voyager, it was like watching a bunch of High School employees shuffle around a theme park, reluctantly doing their jobs.
Sound in space never gets old.
@80smusicfanNO1 It was Gilligan's Island because they were never going to find a way home until the series finale, and always moving meant they'd never stay in one play to ever flesh anything/anyplace/any new enemies out properly. And exploring "new things" would just make viewers angrier because it took away from them always moving on their way back to Earth. So they couldn't flesh anything out, and they couldn't explore properly, all because of the premise.
Yes, it's just that the Borg conversions turn the skin grey and since most Trek aliens are the rubber forehead types the borg implants make it harder to tell unless we get close up looks at them.
Borg "oh crap!!"
@billyboyjennings
Exactly, the borg could have beamed the torpedo back before Voyager put its shields back up after beaming it....or they could have beamed it into space. Most species probably wouldnt be able to do this fast enough, but these are BORG ! lol
Janeway: I don’t know about the rest of you, but I feel lucky today!
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"