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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2019
- Let it be known that I am not going for a period accurate build. I am instead using the most powerful components I could find that still support Windows 98.
The Blog: retrorevive.enochdew.com/uwin98/
THE SPECS:
Motherboard: Intel D915GVWB Socket LGA 775
CPU: Pentium 4 630 3.0GHz 2MB L2 Cache
RAM: 512MB 400MHz DDR1 RAM
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce 6200 512MB
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 SB0100
Storage: 128GB SSD
Media Drives: DVD Burner, 5.25" Floppy Drive, and 3.25" Floppy Drive
Monitor: ViewSonic VA912b 1240x1024 75Hz - เกม
Nice to have such a supportive wife.
if i remember correctly installing the sims and all its expansion packs takes approximately three years.
Pfff, you lucky one i still sitting here waiting for the first CD to reach the 47%.
😅😆😂
10:57 That fan ramp up from Q3 to UT was pretty funny
Showed up in my recommended. I like the use of epic midi music! I like that you go over your problems and the solutions you found. Subscribed.
Neat video. Can relate to some of the struggles, having build a similliar machine recently. Keep it up!
That is a great system you've put together there. I wish I had kept my old hardware from that era. Back then though I was always upgrading, and passing along my old components to friends and family. I'd love to put together a Win 98 box again at some point. As for the BSOD, man I remember that. It always seemed that any little error would lock my PC up. It was so frustrating, lol.
Nice channel man! Subscribed. This channel deserves way more love!
Lovely, It could still benefit from an AGP slot, but never mind that. Very nice indeed! Also subscribed, keep up the good work!
i have a 98 gaming pc too. P3 1GHz, 512 ddr 400, GeForce 2 MX 400 64MB, 80GB WD HDD, ASUS mobo, DVDRW, ancient 300w psu (probably fire hazard lol). Runs everything like a dream. I even painted the old classic case. I play it on a white AOpen 17" CRT with old white AOpen speakers. It's pretty damn authentic lol. Diablo 2, Quake 3 and UT all day baby
Keep up the great work!!
I just got my old windows 98 pc out of the garage. I'm glad I didn't give it away this many years later. I was really tempted to at one point too. I might need to upgrade it tho, I remember it was slow
Nice content, buddy. Good luck with your channel. :-)
What a cool system man!!
Great video. By the way, thanks for the video in which you show how to depart 4 gigabytes of RAM. It's nice to see the participation of your spouse in your work. Further success to you, comrade.
Nice! I love seeing these overkill builds for retro operating systems :D If you didn´t do any preparations for your SSD, it might be the reason for the problems you faced. I´m about to upgrade my Win98 build with a brand new SSD and I´m also filming the project. People wiser than myself educated me that there´s a bunch of preparation work that needs to be done before installing Windows 98. I try to publish the video by the end of this month in case you´re interested :)
Nice, I just use a Dell GX270 myself as a Win98 box, had no real issues
Great video thanks! I have a similar Windows 98 Monster machine in my collection. Mine has a Core 2 Duo E6750 with 2.66 GHz, 1 GB DDR2 667 RAM, Intel 945 chipset, SATA 2 controller, 128 GB SSD and a Geforce 7600 GT for PCIe x16 with 256 MB RAM. I also run two Voodoo 2 SLI cards in this PC that are connected via a PCI to PCIe bridge. So you can get these cards to work in modern PCs. Every game runs almost no more loading times. The SSD manages almost 300 MB / sec even under Windows 98 ... I had the Soundblaster 16 problem you described, which is also due to the modern mainboard. I also had these BlueScreens so that I had to switch to another sound card model. So it wasn't live, but a simple Cmedia CMI sound card. But it also works in the Dos. Many greetings, Chris
Nice machine. As long as it works, that's what matters. I have a Pentium II at 400MHz, Intel 440BX chipset, MX420 video card, 256MB of RAM, Yamaha Audician ISA sound card.
beautiful ❤️
I use a Yamaha YMF-724F PCI sound card in my 98se/2K PIII 800EB build, with genuine OPL3 FM hardware support in DOS, using PhilsComputerLab drivers off his website, along with a proper cone speaker for BIOS beeps.
Also got with the build a 256MB 128-bit FX 5600 AGP graphics card, semi-passively cooled with a copper heatsink and a big quiet 120mm fan blowing air over it nearby, along with 512MB of Crucial PC133 Cas 2 SDRAM, dual 80GB 7200rpm PATA HDDs for programs and data, and a Seasonic SS-350ET PSU, with an AOpen MX3S Intel 815 chipset motherboard as the backbone for the rest of the system.
I was going nuts trying to get SB16 emulation going using an Aureal Vortex 2 on a 775 board and P4 under Win98SE. After several reinstalls I found the solution for me was to install the sound card and drivers before virtually everything else, and in particular before any USB 2 drivers. I found one of the USB 2 hubs on the motherboard was taking IRQ resources that caused the SB16 drivers to always BSOD. I've now got that hub disabled, but I still appear to have functioning USB 2 as well as the SB16 emulation. I would also recommend getting yourself a PS/2 key board and mouse to help with troubleshooting - you can remove them once all the hardware is installed.
You have a really nice DVD burner that is capable of BurnerMac which burns 1:1 data on xbox 360 discs :)
amazing bro
i'm a little late to the party but, windows 98 and win9x by extension doesn't care about whether or not the device is PCI express as long as your device has drivers. they're a quite a few devices that are native PCI express that have drivers for win9x. the geforce 6 series PCIe and ati x300-x800 series have driver support.
My wife wouldn't have filmed me laughing at the PC, she would have ended the whole thing with the sentence "Are you sitting at that stupid thing again?".
The Sound Blaster Live is really underrated. I get why people don't like it but honestly every computer I laid my hands on as a kid no matter for school or home had one in it and they were plenty capable. The only part im confused on is going with the PCi instead of finding a board with Socket 775 and an AGP slot. Phil's Computer lab got one. I thought PCi graphics cards were expensive. Though with the relative cost of the other parts I'm sure it wasn't a big hit and the card works plenty well in the end. Nice job.
I once had a Dual core running Windows 98 with a PCI-E Nvidia 6600 GT running using the unofficial Nvidia drivers. ran fast as hell but you lose DOS functionality. Great video. Subscribed :)
Paul Marsh what mobo did you use?
@@SharkVaderYT it was an intel dual core running at 2.26 ghz per core. Cant remember the exact motherboard version as it died several years ago but it definately run the 6600 gt pci-e card flawlessly.
Nice. My P3 is cool and all but I want max graphics and Max fps on every game so will be looking into a similar build out
Cool video. Build a period correct one! :) Voodoo graphics, Pentium processor etc etc. But I'd forgive you for using an SSD ;)
Get an Aureal 2 card in their 😉 Has decent dos drivers with pretty decent SB Pro emulation. Plus awesome A3D in Windows.
The SoundBlaster live Dos compatibility is only compatible with motherboard which have ISA bridge (even without ISA slot) or ISA emulation mode. That was the trick put in place by Ensoniq with their PCi cards and the reason why Creative bought ensoniq back in the day. The creative and ensoniq PCI cards used isa emulation mode from the motherboard to tricks the system with a bunch of wrappers and TSR under Dos. If you lack this functionality, then, you have an error message that the card cannot access this area. You can maybe try aureal vortex or yamaha 71x cards, but these cards are a bit expensive. P3 motherboard or P4 socket 478 motherboard still have this ISA emulation mode (until ICH7 chipset I believe), this disappears on lga775 motherboard. The most appropriate would be a Amd CPU with AMD cheap motherboard, usually they used VIA chipset. VIA and AMD tend to support old technologies to support industrial machines.
Nice build. I tried a PCI 6200 on a P4 platform. It worked great for benchmarks, but I had lots of problems with games. I don't recall what drivers and games I tried though
WC III Looks perfect on 4:3 resolution!
Just finished a win 98 build with p4 650 oced to 4.3 ghz on a asus p5p800 with 2 sticks of corsair xms 3200 c2 v1.1 256 mb and a fx 5950 ultra, a ssd and a sb audigy 2 zs. Also have athlon xp 3200+ build oced to 2.6 ghz on a msi k7n2 delta 2 platinum with the same ram and radeon 9800 xt and same sound card. The p4 has tripple boot with win 98, xp and win 10. For the dos drivers there is a guide on making audigy 2 zs work on the internet. Probably works for live cards as well.
so cool
I tested so many divers for 98SE, and i can tell you the best driver for nvidia card is 44.03 or older.Previously i have Geforce 6200 for 98SE and 81 and 77, this drivers work so bad on this operating system. Well i decide to buy Geforce 3 Ti 200 and install driver around 2002-2003 year, and driver from this time works very well.
Sorry for my no perfect english, but this is not my primary language
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Nice mobo, I picked up the same one but in ATX size with a PCI-E and a few extra ports. It's the stupidest thing too, Intel just expanded the PCB but the ports and required extended traces only take a small fraction of the added area. So there's like a chunk of PCB 20 by 30 centimetres with nothing on it.... I figured I'm gonna use SSD by attaching it to that empty spot with velcro.
The chipset cooler on those Intel OEM mobos is from hell. I don't know what genius decided to attach a cooler by soldering it to the board with wires.
I went with an ECS P4M800PRO-M Motherboard, pentium 4 651, 512mb ddr2 667 (4gb now thanks to you), a 500GB SSD (one 4GB partition for install one 32GB partition for use), and a quadro FX3OOO (256MB)
This is so cool! I'm building something like this too, hopefully I can make a video about it myself.
The lack of AGP is a bit of a hinderance for the build. I didn't think you could get that kind of video performance out of PCI but if it's working, I guess it's working.
I had issues with SBLive in a W98 build using a Dell Dimension. I think it cited IRQ conflicts, and as other stated, it's particular about that. I think I was able to get SB16 working in DOS mode but not in Windows which was an okay compromise.
ok so a few things about the sb 16 emulation. first there are a lot of newer chipsets that dont support the D-DMA and int-IRQ functions. that might be something as the 775 chipset is so new. another thing is simply the motherboard pci resources - changing the slots can help with the sb16 emulation. i tried for hours and hours to get it working with an nforce chipset (athlon xp generation) and after trying everything i found the advice that it simply cannot work.
98se and Me support up to 1gb ram and I have 98se or a 250gb HDD without Issues
I got the "insufficient memory" error when I tried installing 1GB RAM, but I found a way to get it to run with 4GB.
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@@EnochDew I use the Windows 98SE UBCD www.mediafire.com/file/j83jp3jb2jlb2sv/Windows98.UBCD.Feb.2008.iso/file It no only has 90% of 9x drivers built-in but also allows you to set up your options beforehand no need for a 98se key also if Norton partition magic so you can format you HDD without being limited to Fdisk or the format command as long as the drive has already been preformatted fat32 also has a file viewer under DOS to allow you to select files that you want to delete and allows you to keep stuff like games and files without needing to format your drive as long as it fat32 formatted. Also if you have more then 1 gb for ram it will help you make a ramdisk for the extra ram. It also has a USB mass storage driver built-in during install and has a ton of fixes for 98se as well like breaking 120gb HDD limit. and being ab to copy files larger than 2gb via explorer. IE6. As well as some useful programs like Winrar 7zip and Winamp to name a few.
Asrock 775i65g R2/R3 or Asus P5PE-VM are the better choice for an overkill Windows 98 machine.
They have 865g chipset, can support conroe and wolfdale processor and have an AGP slot.
Omg love it!!!! Where did you get your parts from? eBay ?
Thanks! I already had the case, power supply, and media drives, I got the SSD from Amazon, and the rest from eBay.
Nice! I'm gonna do a build with a 2.8 ghz Pentium 4 and a GeForce 4600 ti. I'm not sure what motherboard I want to use.
asus p4c800-e deluxe
For the sound, in bios, change IRQ to 5. Try options. I am not sure. But ya change IRQ. It must work.
Sometimes Livedos just doesn't like to play with certain motherboards. I've only gotten it to work with older P3 and K7 boards.
very cool retro computer,,, i think you said you are running 512mb on your windows 98 ,, theres a windows 98 se patch for adding more memory over 1gb ,, iam running 1gb on my windows 98 ,,iam running a audigy ZS card ,,
actually stumbled upon this looking up people using the 6200 in builds, i just got that card today myself an agp 8x version. same soundblaster card too. have you tried to change the pci slots for the sound blaster to get a different IRQ?
I did. It went from blue screening on boot up to automatically disabling Sound Blaster emulation for causing issues, so it got a bit more stable. It only has two PCI slots because it's a micro ATX motherboard.
sorry for late reply, i actually got mine to work! it took a mess of time with the drivers but i'm getting SB16 in dos mode. i used a mix of the initialization software from Phil's computer lab and a different driver than what he provided
You could go USB for your 3.5 inch floppy and leave the 5.25 inch plugged in and see if that allows for both. I only have a 3.5 in mine. But I run all my games including CDs from images to keep the games and hardware in good shape.
Also my Windows 98se computer boots just fine from a 250gb drive.
not recommended,usb 1.44mb drives all read funny
also just get a new cable with dual slots on it and a power y cable and use them both
@@DeadMouseis I thought it was a hardware conflict. Yes in fact early in the video he says the controller only supports one or the other so you at the very least need some sort of expansion card for another controller and that is a little bit of a long shot that that won't have a I/0 conflict with the current controller. USB would at least work off the USB controller and not a floppy controller. I have never had any problems reading a floppy disc on USB with any external devices. As long as it is at least Windows 98 or newer. I don't know what you mean by read funny.
@@AxiomofDiscord i'v killed many of floppies with 6 different usb drives..all disk was formatted back to reality(saved and working fine with zero bad sectors) with a actual a: drive,
nah i think he does not know how to actually set the bios or deal with an IRQ conflict..and get a new dual cable...i am not trying to sound insulting...but like his sound blaster issue it is a simple fix...he had it wrong by a lot..i think the same is to say about the floppies...i have never seen a pc with a 3.0ghz bios with only one floppy except on a dell gx260
@@AxiomofDiscord "read funny" meant they would not "read disk correctly"..i very well could have gotten 6 knock off drives
Hi, did you test some Windows 98 older games to see how they look? I ask this because Nvidia dropped fog table and 8 bit palletized support from 6000 and on, and I don’t know how many games are affected. If you can, please, test "Thief II", mission 1, check if you can see the stars in the sky near the moon, they are white dots. Thanks
wait last time i checked, Windows 98 SE does support up to 1gb of ram unless u're talkin' about Windows 98 non SE but anyways nice retro gaming PC build
@Enoch Dew
If you want really go overkill on Win98 SE, go with a ATI X800 GT or a X800 GTO, a AM2+ Motherboard(ECS or Jetway maybe a DFI) and an Athlon X2 6400+ or an Athlon X3 460! :)
Asus A8M2N-LA (HP/Compaq OEM board) the NodusM variant with 7.1 sound and 4 dimm slots. AM2 nforce 420a chipset GF6150LE onbaord (and it's on a pcie bus and has a x16 slot too). An x2 would be meaningless to windows 98 as it doesn't support more than one CPU core so the fastest single core Athlon 64 would leave a p4 system in the dust even more so with a mean overclock I've gotten 40% overclocks on some of my AM2 chips..
DOS Sound fix: 915 chipset not support SB emulation, you need 865 chipset motherboard. On my Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000MK, Socket 478, it works well even with wavetable MIDI. Good luck =)
Nice video. Sadly, the music is very distracting and annoying.
Does anyone know a good web resource for Windows 98 SE drivers for my Dell XPS M1210 laptop. I installed Windows 98SE just fine as well as added support for 4GB of RAM with help of Enoch's other video. Looking for a good place to find older Windows 98SE drivers for Dell Laptop? Please, help!
Maybe I'm gonna build this also and just play Ghost Recon on it 😂
I succeeded intalling win 98 early 2019 using 478 motherboard. It has internal realtek audio which makes SB useless. It's really nice to run old games. My original copies are mostly Korean games. Pci e is not for win 98. Isn't it?
I've never seen a PCI-e Windows 98 device before.
@@EnochDew yes I like to confirm it too. Mine is 478 with agp slot and pci slots. I USE FX 5200 AS VGA CARD. Oroginal QUAKE is beautifully smooth.
Question would the 6800 ultra oc have decent compatibility it's the most powerful win98 graphics card ever
Maybe a bit late, but i see there no problem.
I recently had a 6800GS 512mb in my W98 PC, untill i switched to a X850XT.
I switched to ATI cause i needed something more powerfull, but the compatibility was great with the 6800GS, i just wanted to see how the big V-Ram boy would keep up.
But i saw no benefits and 256mb is more than enough.
I'd use a retro case and 256 MB Ram computers of that time never had that much Ram in them and 512MB is too much, Windows 98 will never use all of that plus it can cause compatibility issues with some old games. For the hard drive I'd use a SATA hard drive or IDE to SATA adapter if there is no SATA connector on the board. SATA drives are dirt cheap and plentiful. Windows 98 has no Trim SSD support and can get funky with the OS over a short time depending on how much the computer is used. .
i did. this method and i still get stacks overflow :/
No AGP slot on the motherboard, not very period correct then is it!!!
Thanks for the video! It has some interesting things in it. I thought it's not possible to successfully install a graphics card with 512mb VRAM under W98, but you managed to do it after all. I'll now try that useless Asus 6800 512mb of mine.
As for the sound, I get the same error when it tries to install SB16 emulation under W98 (I also use SB0100, MB is Asrock 4Core-Dual SATA2), found no solution yet. But do take a look at this:
www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38927
With this drivers the crappy built-in Windows 98 emulation of SBPro and General MIDI gets pretty smooth and compatible, so you can run majority of games that support General MIDI with no problems. No FM/OPL3 in W98 though (it has no built-in W98 emulation), but I managed to successfully install DOS drivers for SB0100 in pure DOS 7 (SB16 + Adlib + OPL2/3 + General MIDI + MT32 emulation). These drivers require an extended memory manager, and EMM386 keeps hanging on that MB, so I used QEMM8. Games compatibility is excellent, but not perfect, it may require fiddling with IRQ/DMA settings or changing PCI slots for the card. So, some way or the other, I think it's totally possible to get sound in DOS games on your setup )
Any new videos coming in the future?
I've started a few new ones. I just need to finish them.
that is normal personal pc but only there are installed as os win89
nice job , you steel alive ?
I'm alive. I have half of the footage for upgrading the PC into a dual boot Windows XP/98 gaming PC, but I just moved and the holidays happened.
Thanks for your patience. It makes me so happy to know someone's looking forward to seeing my next video!
@@EnochDew ur welcome glad ur ok still and ill check back soon on you : )
Where did you get the Case????
I got it from Newegg a while ago for about $50 shipped. www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553011
You can play ut 99 on multyplayer
i know it's 2022 but did you fix the sb issue?
i can help
Kind of. I put the Sound Blaster in a different computer and it just works after following the same steps. I think it had to do with the motherboard, as others have pointed out.
@@EnochDew i dun know you autoexec.bat was wrong in both entries...go to your page and review my post?
may actually make that the ult win98 & dos machine ;)
Bro no agp what wdf
Idk but when look at his eyes l think l see some fear ...... not happy or locked
No Half-Life ? 😮
14:32 You mean 16:9.
socket 775 for a Windows 98 machine? wtf?
It has the drivers. ¯\_(ツ) _/¯
@@EnochDew I have yet to get 9x on any 775 or LGA socket to work it just throws a fit
@@Jimmycozad1980 It was going crazy until I updated the BIOS. Now everything seems to be running great except the DOS SB16 emulation.
go see your website i posted the fix