Great video, I'm also making an overkill windows 98 machine so seeing what everyone else has made is very inspiring! But nonetheless I'll look forward for future content!
Thanks for the comment! It was a fun one to make albeit with some snags along the way. Hoping to get back in the groove soon with more content. Life uh... finds a way to get in the way.
Thanks! Loved playing this in multiplayer pitting the fastest cars against each other on the Autobahn track. Many fun high speed chases... and collisions. Thanks for your great videos too!
I've been thinking of building a retro machine. Maybe I'll go for the same specs or similar. I'm seeing forum posts of people even playing Windows XP games like Far Cry, Halo, etc on that card. You can get SD Card IDE interfaces so I could probably have two separate SD cards (Similar to how LGR handles things), one with Windows98/DOS and the other for Windows XP so I can play anything from the 90's up to the early mid-2000s on a single system.
Yep good call! I think that sort of machine would be very well served with a dual boot with XP in the mix. It really is through and through a more XP generation system but it's a fun exercise bending it to work with 98 hah.
Nice. You inspired me. I just bought an MSI mobo with the same chipset, an Athlon 64 3200+, 2x 512Mb RAM (probably will only use one 512mb) and an all-copper thermaltake heatsink. All for only £35 delivered. I already have a few options for audio and video but I will probably go for Soundblaster Live and Geforce 4600.
Oh awesome! It's fun to push the limit and see what you can get away with. Sometimes you wonder if it's truly worth it... but then you get it all working and it is!
The 9800 pro is awesome, I built myself a Windows 98 retro pc, with a celeron 430 that has exactly the same performance as the athlon 64 3200, consuming half, with a 64gb ssd, but I can't get a better graphics card yet, I have a Ge Force 6200 turbo cache, for sound a sound blaster live
my overkill Windows 98 machine is a Athlon XP 2200 system with 512MB of ram has a similair Radeon XT card but the geforce 6200 also works perfectly well under Windows 98 also a 320GB hard drive. Going to put it to Windows 2000 since thats what it had while I was growing up
Very nice! It's pretty cool the wide support Windows 98 had and how far you can take it. I used to dual boot between 2000 and 98 to have a little bit of both. At least in the beginning when 2000 didn't like many of the games I tried to play on it.
@@RiksRandomRetro I would like to dual boot windows 98 and 2000 on my pentium 2 system but it's only a 10GB hard drive shame 2000 doesn't have perfect dos support
Hah you are not... wrong. But I thought they were so cool when I got my first machine with one. It has nVidia through the whole machine that must be good right? Probably a reason they dropped that approach pretty quickly.
@@RiksRandomRetro Terrible terrible boards, especially the MSI variants, if a single setting in the bios is very slightly off you are in for a certifiable nightmare in windows. Enabling USB/KB support setting totally froze win98 and the nforce audio codec sounded horrendous
Hey Rik, just building very similar retro rig, but I've bought intel (prescott at 2.8Gigs).. do you think though, that any pcie gpu with support (i've read that latest supported is catalyst 6.2 through ME and 6.2 says that supports upto X1900) will work with win98se? Have you tried? If not, still, maybe i'll look into that. I'm very curious and they say that, thanx to unoff.sp3, many things is now possible, for example 2.5Gigs of RAM (max).. keep up a good work edit: wooooow, i used to have the very same model monitor as you and it served me well and for a long time.. then i gave it to my mother.. edit no 2: one more question if you don't mind.. that RAM, is it DDR or DDR2?
Hello there. A lot to unpack! I've certiainly seen and heard people getting PCIe working under Windows 98 but I think you might see diminishing returns as far as what you get out of it when XP does still work quite well unless you specifically want that DOS or older title support. Yeah that monitor is a beast although I struggle to find room for it due to the sheer size hah. I'll have to go back and look at the machine because honestly I haven't used it for a bit but fairly certain it was just DDR memory. Assuming it's already overkill again there are some diminishing returns in how far you want to push 98 more than "just because we can". Appreciate the support and for watching!
Nice I have a similar machine for 98 I love it. Mine is an Athlon xp 2200+, sound blaster live, 9800 pro, voodoo 3 2000, 512 MB ram, and 128 GB HD. Man I'm jealous of that monitor tho. My viewsonic ef70 just took dump on me and I switched over to a dell ultra sharp. It sucks moving over from a crt to an early 00 tft screen. Oh well ive been looking around for another crt or a repair. However the crt max res was 1280x1024 which the dell is 1600x1200 and I was surprised to see how well the radeon handles most of the games ive thrown at it so far. Its niche and would never happen but it would be neat to get an modern low latency active pixel oled 4:3 high refresh monitor for us weirdos.
Nice! I do love having the option of just going total overkill like this as sure it's not exactly period correct but it's a fun project. And yeah this monitor has been a champ even though it's super bulky I can never bring myself to getting rid of it just because of how special it is. Right now I'm using a later Dell E772p monitor plugged into my modern computer just to have the option. Can't give up the CRT life!
For sure it's in the pipeline! I cant quite decide on a period correct machine or something later that still runs thing. Another overkill machine but I suppose I can cover both!
Thanks it did add a nice color pop! And unfortunately no I dropped it after someone else mentioned that the chipset specifically has compatibility problems with the soundblaster DOS emulation. It likely explains why none of the guides I tried to follow worked at all. This one will have to remain a Windows machine for now.
I'm gonna make an overkill machine as well. I found an old Emachine computer and I'm gonna put in a socket 478 motherboard inside, a 2.8 GHZ Pentium 4, and a Geforce 4600 Ti.
You are most certainly right! The idea here was just a "because we can" haha. It's not necessarily practical to run Windows 98 like this but it's specifically about pushing the limit to see if it was possible and sure enough this is one speedy 98 machine. To better tap into the resources of the machine 2000 or XP of course would be better. But maybe not as much fun...
That's a great setup! I'm a firm believer of using what one has first and then expanding. Some of the most fun I've had has been with machines I've scraped together with whatever I could find.
@@RiksRandomRetro Thanks! I'm building an NT4 retro machine with Pentium 4 and 512MB ram and a Geforce 6600 GT too, hopefully it there won't be any problems. NT4 just doesn't get the retro computing love gaming OSes like 98 get.
Ah nice I'll give it a shot. I saw other people mentioning that this particular motherboard chipset just doesn't play well with the SB live Dos emulation so I ended up shelving that part of the machine basically.
@@RiksRandomRetro set irq s in the bios set sound card to irq 3 and make sure irq 5 is not being use by any thing else because your going to need that to be free for sb16 emulation
th-cam.com/video/C4SWsC86jZw/w-d-xo.html@@RiksRandomRetro phil show you how to setup sb16 emulation if you still need extra same setup as live help dos in
in my opinion speed is important, BUT it is not the most important thing. compatibility with all games is far more important! i would sacrifice speed for compatibility. a machine which cannot run a game properly is useless. even at lightspeed.
Oh yeah for sure, I'm the same way. This was more a fun experiment to see if it would run at all. Which it does super fast, and it's just silly haha. At the end of the day I'll take a "normal" retro machine basically every time.
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I like the nostalgia on Windows 95 more since I think I was on that longer. For compatibility it's hard to argue with Win 98 SE being the better one overall. Still has that full DOS mode but all the benefits of being a newer OS.
You need machine 4x slower to run this games nice and smooth. And without HD patches idk why run them on resolutions higher than 1024x768 or even 800x600... WC2 sure, i can run it even on 16 core CPU in DOSBox, whats the purpose for A64?
Great video, I'm also making an overkill windows 98 machine so seeing what everyone else has made is very inspiring!
But nonetheless I'll look forward for future content!
Thanks for the comment! It was a fun one to make albeit with some snags along the way. Hoping to get back in the groove soon with more content. Life uh... finds a way to get in the way.
@@RiksRandomRetro Ah yes life always finds a way to hinder such projects, I can definitely relate to that.
Nice machine :-) NFS5 is my favorite racing game :)
Thanks! Loved playing this in multiplayer pitting the fastest cars against each other on the Autobahn track. Many fun high speed chases... and collisions.
Thanks for your great videos too!
Well produced, topical and informative. Great job.
Thanks! They are getting easier to make one by one but sure take a lot of time 😀
I've been thinking of building a retro machine. Maybe I'll go for the same specs or similar. I'm seeing forum posts of people even playing Windows XP games like Far Cry, Halo, etc on that card. You can get SD Card IDE interfaces so I could probably have two separate SD cards (Similar to how LGR handles things), one with Windows98/DOS and the other for Windows XP so I can play anything from the 90's up to the early mid-2000s on a single system.
Yep good call! I think that sort of machine would be very well served with a dual boot with XP in the mix. It really is through and through a more XP generation system but it's a fun exercise bending it to work with 98 hah.
Nice. You inspired me. I just bought an MSI mobo with the same chipset, an Athlon 64 3200+, 2x 512Mb RAM (probably will only use one 512mb) and an all-copper thermaltake heatsink. All for only £35 delivered. I already have a few options for audio and video but I will probably go for Soundblaster Live and Geforce 4600.
Oh awesome! It's fun to push the limit and see what you can get away with. Sometimes you wonder if it's truly worth it... but then you get it all working and it is!
The 9800 pro is awesome, I built myself a Windows 98 retro pc, with a celeron 430 that has exactly the same performance as the athlon 64 3200, consuming half, with a 64gb ssd, but I can't get a better graphics card yet, I have a Ge Force 6200 turbo cache, for sound a sound blaster live
my overkill Windows 98 machine is a Athlon XP 2200 system with 512MB of ram has a similair Radeon XT card but the geforce 6200 also works perfectly well under Windows 98 also a 320GB hard drive. Going to put it to Windows 2000 since thats what it had while I was growing up
Very nice! It's pretty cool the wide support Windows 98 had and how far you can take it. I used to dual boot between 2000 and 98 to have a little bit of both. At least in the beginning when 2000 didn't like many of the games I tried to play on it.
@@RiksRandomRetro I would like to dual boot windows 98 and 2000 on my pentium 2 system but it's only a 10GB hard drive shame 2000 doesn't have perfect dos support
Nforce boards - a fucking nightmare has begun. anyhoo you can use any sata drive with win98 even 2gb ram with the R Loew patches
Hah you are not... wrong. But I thought they were so cool when I got my first machine with one. It has nVidia through the whole machine that must be good right? Probably a reason they dropped that approach pretty quickly.
@@RiksRandomRetro Terrible terrible boards, especially the MSI variants, if a single setting in the bios is very slightly off you are in for a certifiable nightmare in windows. Enabling USB/KB support setting totally froze win98 and the nforce audio codec sounded horrendous
Warcraft/starcraft was awesome... easily one of my favorites, especially in multiplayer.
@@averageemogirl Will work with third party compatibility layers
Hey Rik, just building very similar retro rig, but I've bought intel (prescott at 2.8Gigs).. do you think though, that any pcie gpu with support (i've read that latest supported is catalyst 6.2 through ME and 6.2 says that supports upto X1900) will work with win98se? Have you tried? If not, still, maybe i'll look into that. I'm very curious and they say that, thanx to unoff.sp3, many things is now possible, for example 2.5Gigs of RAM (max).. keep up a good work edit: wooooow, i used to have the very same model monitor as you and it served me well and for a long time.. then i gave it to my mother.. edit no 2: one more question if you don't mind.. that RAM, is it DDR or DDR2?
Hello there. A lot to unpack! I've certiainly seen and heard people getting PCIe working under Windows 98 but I think you might see diminishing returns as far as what you get out of it when XP does still work quite well unless you specifically want that DOS or older title support.
Yeah that monitor is a beast although I struggle to find room for it due to the sheer size hah.
I'll have to go back and look at the machine because honestly I haven't used it for a bit but fairly certain it was just DDR memory. Assuming it's already overkill again there are some diminishing returns in how far you want to push 98 more than "just because we can".
Appreciate the support and for watching!
Nice I have a similar machine for 98 I love it. Mine is an Athlon xp 2200+, sound blaster live, 9800 pro, voodoo 3 2000, 512 MB ram, and 128 GB HD. Man I'm jealous of that monitor tho. My viewsonic ef70 just took dump on me and I switched over to a dell ultra sharp. It sucks moving over from a crt to an early 00 tft screen. Oh well ive been looking around for another crt or a repair. However the crt max res was 1280x1024 which the dell is 1600x1200 and I was surprised to see how well the radeon handles most of the games ive thrown at it so far. Its niche and would never happen but it would be neat to get an modern low latency active pixel oled 4:3 high refresh monitor for us weirdos.
Nice! I do love having the option of just going total overkill like this as sure it's not exactly period correct but it's a fun project. And yeah this monitor has been a champ even though it's super bulky I can never bring myself to getting rid of it just because of how special it is. Right now I'm using a later Dell E772p monitor plugged into my modern computer just to have the option. Can't give up the CRT life!
Nice vid, any tips on getting a sound card to work with the via k8t800 chipset?
I would always put my hands on the CRT screen, but it would give me static’s lol.
For sure! This one makes the hair on my arm stand up it has such a strong field haha. But all worth it for that great picture!
you should do a video on win xp
For sure it's in the pipeline! I cant quite decide on a period correct machine or something later that still runs thing. Another overkill machine but I suppose I can cover both!
the case appears to be a rosewill challenger , i own several version of that case
Yes pretty sure you are correct there! I bought it years ago for my primary computer and it felt like it fit this build well.
the red cpu cooler stands out nicely!
edit: did you ever get the SB Live working properly?
Thanks it did add a nice color pop! And unfortunately no I dropped it after someone else mentioned that the chipset specifically has compatibility problems with the soundblaster DOS emulation. It likely explains why none of the guides I tried to follow worked at all. This one will have to remain a Windows machine for now.
By the way it's not porsh it's porshe, you read it like porsh-uh.
I'm gonna make an overkill machine as well. I found an old Emachine computer and I'm gonna put in a socket 478 motherboard inside, a 2.8 GHZ Pentium 4, and a Geforce 4600 Ti.
Very nice! That combination should be quite a screamer in Win 98 gaming. The 4600 I recall is a very good card.
Did you benchmark it? Curious to see what it gets in 3Dmark01. I have a P4 3.0e running with a 9800Pro. Gets around 15k at 1024x768
I haven't yet but I'll be sure to try and post my results. I doubt it's the single quickest around but would be fun to compare!
Yeah I'm curious to see how the Athlon stacks up!
Why not use something like a 6800 ultra overclocked
I think availability more than anything. I had a Radeon 9800 pro and this build felt like it suited it well!
Why not use Windows 2000? More stable, supports suplemental hardware from XP era. (wifi) and Dos can be done through DosBox
You are most certainly right! The idea here was just a "because we can" haha. It's not necessarily practical to run Windows 98 like this but it's specifically about pushing the limit to see if it was possible and sure enough this is one speedy 98 machine. To better tap into the resources of the machine 2000 or XP of course would be better. But maybe not as much fun...
change irq in windows set video card to 10 audio card to 3 sb16 to 5 dma high 5 dma low to 1 every thing else to 10 or 11
Running a Windows 98 SE with Plus on Pentium 4 3Ghz, 1GB RAM, Geforce FX 5600, only a 20GB HDD though, all I could find.
That's a great setup! I'm a firm believer of using what one has first and then expanding. Some of the most fun I've had has been with machines I've scraped together with whatever I could find.
@@RiksRandomRetro Thanks! I'm building an NT4 retro machine with Pentium 4 and 512MB ram and a Geforce 6600 GT too, hopefully it there won't be any problems. NT4 just doesn't get the retro computing love gaming OSes like 98 get.
1GB is an absolute limit of what Windows 98 is physically capable of supporting
I have question. Did you have problem with drivers from motherboard on windows 98.
I can't find from official website ASRock.
there are no drivers for this motherbored so i dont know how he managed to get the thing to work :O
under resources change to mauel to set irq dos sb16 emulation should work on start up
Ah nice I'll give it a shot. I saw other people mentioning that this particular motherboard chipset just doesn't play well with the SB live Dos emulation so I ended up shelving that part of the machine basically.
@@RiksRandomRetro set irq s in the bios set sound card to irq 3 and make sure irq 5 is not being use by any thing else because your going to need that to be free for sb16 emulation
th-cam.com/video/C4SWsC86jZw/w-d-xo.html@@RiksRandomRetro phil show you how to setup sb16 emulation if you still need extra same setup as live help dos in
in my opinion speed is important, BUT it is not the most important thing. compatibility with all games is far more important! i would sacrifice speed for compatibility. a machine which cannot run a game properly is useless. even at lightspeed.
Oh yeah for sure, I'm the same way. This was more a fun experiment to see if it would run at all. Which it does super fast, and it's just silly haha. At the end of the day I'll take a "normal" retro machine basically every time.
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where did you get that case. what is the model of the case?
This is a Rosewill case it got years ago. Found a new home purpose here!
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dos driver for creative on vogons website
or download sblive cd iso check sblive model num dl correct cd iso vogons
But can it run doom 3
Yes at 1024x768 medium settings
Do you prefer Win98?
I like the nostalgia on Windows 95 more since I think I was on that longer. For compatibility it's hard to argue with Win 98 SE being the better one overall. Still has that full DOS mode but all the benefits of being a newer OS.
I can't start USB with Win95. I have Win95 verB, mouse for USBstill not working but lighting work.
Sławek P. Optical PS/2 mouse exists.
You need machine 4x slower to run this games nice and smooth. And without HD patches idk why run them on resolutions higher than 1024x768 or even 800x600... WC2 sure, i can run it even on 16 core CPU in DOSBox, whats the purpose for A64?