In your series of videos regarding the role of the “wrist action”, this one is, by far, the best in terms of explanation and validation. That device you used, clearly demonstrates what a “locked” wrist looks like and the disastrous results it produces …thank you, as always, for your informative and extremely helpful videos ..look forward to many more ..Namaste 🙏
Hola. I have had the fantastic opportunity to visit and study the methods in a great tennis academy just outside Barcelona and coaches are always repeating to the students " Pasa la mano", Pass the hand. Great work Dominic , love your channel 😁.
I think this is sometimes where cues need to be in full context. Total beginners have no idea to lag the racquet and the explanation by the Tennis Doctor and Meike are good ways to start learning how to lag the wrist. But I also think you are right that the wrist does make adjustments to help with ball tracjectory. For those who naturally lag, this cue is unnecessary and may lead to mistakes. So the lag cue can be helpful to create lag but if taken to extreme you'll have a locked/stiff wrist and that will take away power and possibly control as you suggest.
We have two options here to perform the forehand shot: whip or leverage. Whip is more suitable for straight arm, when the forearm/wrist is released before the contact. You lead your hand by circle trajectory around your body and in order to properly align the racket string surface it is enough, let’s say, “half” of a circle way. If you lock your wrist then you leverage the shot and here in order to align the racket surface you need to rotate your body more OR move your hand way more further in front of your body: there will be your contact point. It’s just the geometry. Whip shot is more forearm rotation shot, less control, simpler to execute as more instinctive for brain. Leverage shot - is more shoulder rotation shot, the whole arm is in place, more powerful, more control, but requires more body rotation/ coordination ( contact is always and completely in front of you), harder to do as you are not able to cover the whole court in a way having the contact point in front of you. In order to use leverage shot you also may bend the elbow, it influences the contact point, it might be a bit aside of you. So just play around with it in front of the wall) . Both variants have pros and cons, but locking wrist shot is really interesting in feeling, like a box punching )
I understand the part of you need to rotate more or get more underarm , the problem is that none of the top 100 players are doing it ( that’s why I said they never pass that 60 degree angle no matter by using underarm or rotation ) so I have to assume that they all use the whip option ?? Correct??
Thanks for the video. I'm not sure how you measure the armpit angle? In the fh volley video w/ Federer, you drew lines so it was easy to figure out how and where you measure. If you want more contraversy, talk about what racquet weight and strings recreational players should use :)
I have no idea about materials , myself I play 20 years with the same racket and strings . I’m sure there’s videos about that from people with way more knowledge about that subject . Sorry for that . The measurements you should see from the underarm line and racket ( let say your in the middle of the court in the back and your underarm is pointing to the net post on the right and your wrist ( racket ) is in that lag position then you can NEVER hit the ball in the court because of the position of the strings ) meaning your underarm and racket are in a 90degree angle so if your underarm is not pointing straight forward ( to the other side of the court ) you can’t play the ball in
Nice to see this confirmation. I watched some of your videos last week. When I was back on court with my coach - who is one of the highest ranked coaches of Germany and is continously send by the German Tennis Association called DTB to give assistance to young players on the challenger tour and also was contracted by a WTA top 30 woman player to coach her in tournaments - I asked him to try out your advice. So I tried to play my forehand with using my wrist on purpose. After some dozens of balls he asked my how it feels and I was a bit ashame to tell him - I don't felt that anything had changed. He was laughing and told me that I was using my wrist exact the way you have adviced already since he first coached me 4 years ago and that EVERYBODY who plays some years of Tennis does do it because otherwise it is quite unpossible to have a good and relaxed swing. So I was doing it by nature although I was convinced I played with completely cocked back wrist in the contact zone as Tennis Doctor or Maike Babel taught it. Nice to know that is not true. I am 63 years old and play Tennis since 1973 but stayed up to date in terms of technique. So I do not play with a wooden racquet, with an iron continantal grip and a 45 degrees closed footwork pattern any more 😂. And indeed I play with a loose wrist. I also had some arguments with other commentators on Tennis Doctors recent video - using my experience and also your arguments - but most think they will either destroy their wrist or will spread their shots all over the place. Best reagards from Germany - 👍🥎Frank
As a person who has tried hitting with an extended and locked wrist, like shown by the two included videos, I can tell you that it is a sure way to injure your wrist.
Physically when racket hits the ball as momentum the impact is taken by the racket and it tends to go back. But if the wrist is at most locked position racket can not go back and reflects all energy back to ball. It is the moment then you can slightly bend your wrist. Very hard timing occurs naturally
I love your content, glad you are not rattled by naysayers. If I feel a channel is useless,avoid in future but don't like to leave a negative comment to people who produce work. To each their own. Now to my question, one coach mentioned to use large muscles in ground strokes ( shoulders, biceps) vs wrist to get consistency. I followed this and saw my mistakes drop especially on 2HBH. What is your view to this?
No problem with that because your arms are connected to your shoulders so you use them anyway and you bend your arms so you use your biceps to , but I’m more interested in how he asks you how to use them and on top of that you still need your hand ( wrist ) to get the racket in the right position. Like I said in the end of the video you practice something consciously and after a while you do it unconsciously or automatically . At BMT we try to explain everything out of the hands and the body follows 🤔 ( example: the first step I ask is get your hands to contact !! 1. By doing that your hands turn the body in the right direction but it’s not the hands that make the turn but hip and shoulders 2. Your hands are bringing you to that contact but it’s your legs that bringing you there 3. Your hands are around contact height which brings your body in the right position but it’s your legs and trunk that do that 4. Your hands are taking the distance to the ball but it’s your body that stops . So by asking just that one thing you use your whole body , feet legs hips trunk shoulders arms and you take away a lot distraction in that process going to the ball ) If you would give me the link of that video I could give you a better idea of my view Thanks for the comment
Thank you for the detailed steps. I am unable to find the coach. Your explanation makes sense, it's intuitive. A suggestion -can you make a shorts video with these steps for this and other topics, like Patrick M or Performance plus? Sometimes your videos are long.
I think you and the people in the video are both wrong, but I am 90% with you on this. What is wrong is the word action. Using your wrist muscles is wrong. That doesn't mean the wrist is fixed though. It is about having a relaxed wrist so your arm is loose like a whip. The wrist movement comes from the loading in the lag position (extension of those wrist ligaments as a result of the lagging inertia of the racket) to catching up of the racket towards contact. So it is a passive wrist movement, not active. If you use your wrist muscles you will actually lose power and hurt your wrist. I can tell because I've been changing my forehand in the last 3 years (and still working on it) from a 30 year old classic technique to a current new generation technique. Including the mistakes of actively using my wrist and noticing the difference between active and passive wrist movement. The most important is the continuous flow in the swing to be able to load the wrist for lag. If you don't do that, people start to muscle the ball to mimic the wrist movement. Opening your chest up too far into swing also hurts the catching up of the racket to contact. To be able to whip you also have to decelerate your core to be able to transfer all that energy onto the racket The fact that your balls go to the right has to do with reasons and it's linked to your own muscle memory: - you are used to have wrist movement and as such your kinetic chain is not programmed for this racket on a string fixed position for contact - as a result of the first point your contact is not in front but behind you. That's a timing issue as a result of your muscle memory
So you clearly didn’t understood the video!! The 2 other videos are clearly asking to stay with that wrist in the lag or locked in position !!! Which therefore I made the video to tell people not to do that and use the wrist ( we practice it consciously to afterwards do it naturally) I also said maybe you do it already unconsciously which is good then you need nothing to change , but a lot of people play with that fixed wrist and for them getting a loser wrist it’s perfect to get the idea what should happen and then it becomes natural. I hit 40 years like that with no injury’s
@@bmtspain6839 Oh I agree on the part to not keep it fixed. I just react to the word action. So I think we agree totally on the fixed part, but just in your wording it comes across that you actively use it and that's all I respond to as a lot of people muscle their wrist and that is very dangerous. The wrist movement is a passive one resulting from the correct lag in the start of the swing and the release by slowing down the opening of your center rotation. With a relaxed wrist, the wrist movement is than the result. I edited my first response with adding that I am 90% with you on this. That is the better nuance ;-)
In your series of videos regarding the role of the “wrist action”, this one is, by far, the best in terms of explanation and validation. That device you used, clearly demonstrates what a “locked” wrist looks like and the disastrous results it produces …thank you, as always, for your informative and extremely helpful videos ..look forward to many more ..Namaste 🙏
Thanks
Hola. I have had the fantastic opportunity to visit and study the methods in a great tennis academy just outside Barcelona and coaches are always repeating to the students " Pasa la mano", Pass the hand. Great work Dominic , love your channel 😁.
That’s probably Sanchez o brugera escuela
Si, Academia Emilio Sanchez
I think this is sometimes where cues need to be in full context. Total beginners have no idea to lag the racquet and the explanation by the Tennis Doctor and Meike are good ways to start learning how to lag the wrist. But I also think you are right that the wrist does make adjustments to help with ball tracjectory. For those who naturally lag, this cue is unnecessary and may lead to mistakes.
So the lag cue can be helpful to create lag but if taken to extreme you'll have a locked/stiff wrist and that will take away power and possibly control as you suggest.
We have two options here to perform the forehand shot: whip or leverage. Whip is more suitable for straight arm, when the forearm/wrist is released before the contact. You lead your hand by circle trajectory around your body and in order to properly align the racket string surface it is enough, let’s say, “half” of a circle way.
If you lock your wrist then you leverage the shot and here in order to align the racket surface you need to rotate your body more OR move your hand way more further in front of your body: there will be your contact point. It’s just the geometry.
Whip shot is more forearm rotation shot, less control, simpler to execute as more instinctive for brain. Leverage shot - is more shoulder rotation shot, the whole arm is in place, more powerful, more control, but requires more body rotation/ coordination ( contact is always and completely in front of you), harder to do as you are not able to cover the whole court in a way having the contact point in front of you.
In order to use leverage shot you also may bend the elbow, it influences the contact point, it might be a bit aside of you. So just play around with it in front of the wall) . Both variants have pros and cons, but locking wrist shot is really interesting in feeling, like a box punching )
I understand the part of you need to rotate more or get more underarm , the problem is that none of the top 100 players are doing it ( that’s why I said they never pass that 60 degree angle no matter by using underarm or rotation ) so I have to assume that they all use the whip option ?? Correct??
Thanks for the video. I'm not sure how you measure the armpit angle? In the fh volley video w/ Federer, you drew lines so it was easy to figure out how and where you measure. If you want more contraversy, talk about what racquet weight and strings recreational players should use :)
I have no idea about materials , myself I play 20 years with the same racket and strings . I’m sure there’s videos about that from people with way more knowledge about that subject . Sorry for that .
The measurements you should see from the underarm line and racket ( let say your in the middle of the court in the back and your underarm is pointing to the net post on the right and your wrist ( racket ) is in that lag position then you can NEVER hit the ball in the court because of the position of the strings ) meaning your underarm and racket are in a 90degree angle so if your underarm is not pointing straight forward ( to the other side of the court ) you can’t play the ball in
Nice to see this confirmation. I watched some of your videos last week. When I was back on court with my coach - who is one of the highest ranked coaches of Germany and is continously send by the German Tennis Association called DTB to give assistance to young players on the challenger tour and also was contracted by a WTA top 30 woman player to coach her in tournaments - I asked him to try out your advice.
So I tried to play my forehand with using my wrist on purpose. After some dozens of balls he asked my how it feels and I was a bit ashame to tell him - I don't felt that anything had changed. He was laughing and told me that I was using my wrist exact the way you have adviced already since he first coached me 4 years ago and that EVERYBODY who plays some years of Tennis does do it because otherwise it is quite unpossible to have a good and relaxed swing.
So I was doing it by nature although I was convinced I played with completely cocked back wrist in the contact zone as Tennis Doctor or Maike Babel taught it. Nice to know that is not true. I am 63 years old and play Tennis since 1973 but stayed up to date in terms of technique. So I do not play with a wooden racquet, with an iron continantal grip and a 45 degrees closed footwork pattern any more 😂. And indeed I play with a loose wrist.
I also had some arguments with other commentators on Tennis Doctors recent video - using my experience and also your arguments - but most think they will either destroy their wrist or will spread their shots all over the place.
Best reagards from Germany - 👍🥎Frank
👍I started to play in 1972
@@bmtspain6839 So I'm the Junior 😏
@@franksauerwaldI’m 60 so I’m the junior 😂
As a person who has tried hitting with an extended and locked wrist, like shown by the two included videos, I can tell you that it is a sure way to injure your wrist.
I know , and I’m hitting 50 years with my wrist and still no injuries 😎
Physically when racket hits the ball as momentum the impact is taken by the racket and it tends to go back. But if the wrist is at most locked position racket can not go back and reflects all energy back to ball. It is the moment then you can slightly bend your wrist. Very hard timing occurs naturally
What you mean with most locked position ? The grip tension or the angle of the racket
I love your content, glad you are not rattled by naysayers. If I feel a channel is useless,avoid in future but don't like to leave a negative comment to people who produce work. To each their own.
Now to my question, one coach mentioned to use large muscles in ground strokes ( shoulders, biceps) vs wrist to get consistency. I followed this and saw my mistakes drop especially on 2HBH. What is your view to this?
No problem with that because your arms are connected to your shoulders so you use them anyway and you bend your arms so you use your biceps to , but I’m more interested in how he asks you how to use them and on top of that you still need your hand ( wrist ) to get the racket in the right position. Like I said in the end of the video you practice something consciously and after a while you do it unconsciously or automatically .
At BMT we try to explain everything out of the hands and the body follows 🤔 ( example: the first step I ask is get your hands to contact !! 1. By doing that your hands turn the body in the right direction but it’s not the hands that make the turn but hip and shoulders 2. Your hands are bringing you to that contact but it’s your legs that bringing you there 3. Your hands are around contact height which brings your body in the right position but it’s your legs and trunk that do that 4. Your hands are taking the distance to the ball but it’s your body that stops . So by asking just that one thing you use your whole body , feet legs hips trunk shoulders arms and you take away a lot distraction in that process going to the ball )
If you would give me the link of that video I could give you a better idea of my view
Thanks for the comment
Thank you for the detailed steps. I am unable to find the coach. Your explanation makes sense, it's intuitive. A suggestion -can you make a shorts video with these steps for this and other topics, like Patrick M or Performance plus? Sometimes your videos are long.
@@rectennisgames I tried shorts on TikTok and instagram and had so little virus’s I stopped
Relax wrist, pull the hand toward and thru the ball, consequently the racket lay back and automatically touch thru the ball.
That’s what we call the whip effect
I think you and the people in the video are both wrong, but I am 90% with you on this. What is wrong is the word action. Using your wrist muscles is wrong. That doesn't mean the wrist is fixed though. It is about having a relaxed wrist so your arm is loose like a whip. The wrist movement comes from the loading in the lag position (extension of those wrist ligaments as a result of the lagging inertia of the racket) to catching up of the racket towards contact. So it is a passive wrist movement, not active. If you use your wrist muscles you will actually lose power and hurt your wrist.
I can tell because I've been changing my forehand in the last 3 years (and still working on it) from a 30 year old classic technique to a current new generation technique. Including the mistakes of actively using my wrist and noticing the difference between active and passive wrist movement. The most important is the continuous flow in the swing to be able to load the wrist for lag. If you don't do that, people start to muscle the ball to mimic the wrist movement. Opening your chest up too far into swing also hurts the catching up of the racket to contact. To be able to whip you also have to decelerate your core to be able to transfer all that energy onto the racket
The fact that your balls go to the right has to do with reasons and it's linked to your own muscle memory:
- you are used to have wrist movement and as such your kinetic chain is not programmed for this racket on a string fixed position for contact
- as a result of the first point your contact is not in front but behind you. That's a timing issue as a result of your muscle memory
So you clearly didn’t understood the video!! The 2 other videos are clearly asking to stay with that wrist in the lag or locked in position !!! Which therefore I made the video to tell people not to do that and use the wrist ( we practice it consciously to afterwards do it naturally) I also said maybe you do it already unconsciously which is good then you need nothing to change , but a lot of people play with that fixed wrist and for them getting a loser wrist it’s perfect to get the idea what should happen and then it becomes natural. I hit 40 years like that with no injury’s
@@bmtspain6839 Oh I agree on the part to not keep it fixed. I just react to the word action. So I think we agree totally on the fixed part, but just in your wording it comes across that you actively use it and that's all I respond to as a lot of people muscle their wrist and that is very dangerous. The wrist movement is a passive one resulting from the correct lag in the start of the swing and the release by slowing down the opening of your center rotation. With a relaxed wrist, the wrist movement is than the result.
I edited my first response with adding that I am 90% with you on this. That is the better nuance ;-)