I have noticed in my testing that the Aguila Interceptor actually hits around 1400 (advertised 1470) out of an 18" barrel, compared to the slower Velocitor- you can also get HP or FN with the Interceptor. Same thing happens CCI Stinger vs Aguila Supermaximum- 1500fps average from an 18" barrel with the Stinger and 1600 with the Supermaximum.
I tested the interceptor round nose last fall, and I have a box of Interceptor hollow point ready to test. Your comment makes me consider testing in the rifle instead of only pistol.
@@GunSam i´ve been watching a lot of your videos can you please do a video comparsion of the most expanding hollow points like norma mhp or the interceptor, also i really like these handgun vs rifle tests
I wonder to what range the Aguilla rounds stay supersonic - I bet at least one of the two rounds is supersonic beyond 100 yards -which would be a very good thing accuracy wise.
I've got a Ruger Single Six convertible with a 4 5/8" barrel and I've had multiple people tell me that .22wmr is all but worthless out of a barrel that "short". I'm really enjoying the . 22wmr videos regardless of whether it's good news or bad lol.
That combo is just fine. Dont listen to those telling you it aint. Im 60. Been carrying and shooting many calibers and barrel lengths my whole life. I was raised on a farm back in the 70's. We butchered and hunted alot, so i have quit abit of real life experience. My field/fishing gun is a 6-1/2 inch barrel 22 magnum single action revolver. I was using a 5-1/2 barrel revolver before i picked up the 1" longer barrel gun. I'm very confident with either honestly. 22lr and 22 magnum handguns, and rifles, are very underrated by many people. My 22mag revolver is currently sitting on my kitchen table, doing its house duty there. I have various other caliber handguns loaded up and ready to go too. But i have complete faith in my 22mag revolver, and even my 22lr ones, to do the job if i need them.
GS. Another good and interesting bullet comparison. I have a picky .22 LR handgun whereas the little extra power of the Velocitor makes it run (cycle). Thanks for sharing and take care.
Aguila Interceptor and Winchester Super-X Hyper Velocity usually run a bit faster than the CCI Velocitor. But, I think those advertised velocities are going to be 24-inch barrel. Cool test, love it!
That is cool I like the comparison and actually rifle is very easy to shoot . It can be more rounds count mossberg rifle carry 25 round 22lr it would be neat . Nice demonstration Sam 👍
I love that you do this kind of testing. I think the mag wins in this case because penetration is paramount in these situations _but_ the 22 rifle for home defense is easier to hit well with and will be quieter. So a good case can be made for either. Of course for CCW the rifle is out.
It is sad to see most of the gun makers that I grew up with either fold or relocate elsewhere. Marlin was always the solid and handsome working man’s go to. Treasure it and thanks for sharing!
@@exothermal.sprocket I will take your word for it regarding quality but their price point is quite high, contrary to what it had been when I was a youngster. I just sold a Marlin model 336C that I purchased new in the mid 1980's for about $215.00 tax included. That was about the going rate back then and you got a quality rifle made of blued steel and walnut that was rugged and accurate. The new models are that plus 1K, not exactly the common mans rifle that they used to be.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 It's difficult to quantify prices over the course of decades, due to the fact Marlin is now being manufactured in state of the art facility with computerized equipment. The old factory was a lot of manual talent with old machines, in a different State under different management. Also the old Marlins were made in a time where the cost was figured out a very long time ago, and prior to the trillions of dollars printed by the Treasury to pay for Congressional wretchedness, driving inflation through the roof. Today, our dollar has the purchasing power of $0.04. In 1933, it was $1.
So long ago that home chronographs were uncommon, and optional ”skyscreens” (so you didn’t have to use up two printed circuit screens with every shot) cost more than the base chronograph, I found 22LR hi-speed from a rifle about equal to 22WMR from a 3” Charter Arms revolver. The issue at the time was using the little 22WMR on backstops designed for 22LR. The only difference I noted was the jacketed 22WMR vs plated lead 22LR.
Good stuff, i love 22lr and 22 mag but ill still carry a 22 mag if in gonna carry one or the other. I normally carry a 22 mag hornady 45 grain red tip if i happen to have one on me. Ive really fell in love with the 22 mag derringers and revolvers over the past couple years for times i dont feel i need as much fire power.
Wonder why they do not manufacture a ..22 Magnum with a plated lead hollow point for handgun use only .. That could be an improvement to ensure reliable expansion for the magnum when used for self defence or small game hunting. Would make it cheaper too..
Velocitors reaching ~1500 fps with a weatherby XXII so you can also exceed box velocity if you have a match barrel too the tighter tolerances can speed it up even more sometimes
sam great comparison, i would to see 22lr rev (not a convertable its bore is larger than lr) vs 22mag rev w/ same lenght barrel... always impressed w/your analysis, thanks
I really, really, really wanted to see this test and for the .22Magnum from the 3" LCRx to do well. Instead it is rather mediocre. Ruger did have an 8-shot .22Mag LCRx, but it has disappeared. I thought that would have made a good carry gun. I guess I stick with a .38 snub for that carry role. Thanks for this test.
An odd thing about reloading .22lr is if you stuff the case to the gills with good black powder (Swiss or equivalent) you will match the hypersonic .22 lr (like Velocitor) in speed and energy. You would not think it possible, but it is. This leads me to believe that with smokeless powder in .22lr cases can be loaded way beyond what is commercially available. It must be that there are too many guns or barrels that just can't handle this sort of pressure, so it is never done. But I do wonder what could be done with a .22 lr built with a bomb proof action and with a barrel made to withstand 65,000 PSI. I have never heard of a .22lr built that way (and I don't think I ever will), but it is feasible. It would be amazing no doubt. And it would still be an exceptionally light and compact round - the ultimate survival round if you will. And I would make it with a spire point and a boat tail (there is a new .22lr round made that way, finally. It is far too pricey though). If I were to make a WAG, I would think 400 ftlbs energy is possible (160 ftlbs is possible with Swiss powder IIRC, and smokeless has roughly 3 times the power density of BP.). Someone could do some fascinating tests using a gun they were willing to sacrifice to the cause and a string to pull the trigger - hopefully the chrono would work on the first try! ps an AR barrel would be a place to start. I wonder what that load development software would have to say? I forget the name of the program, but it seems to give numbers that are really close to reality. Someone could give it a go and see what the program would say? With case volume, powder density, etc - it seems there would be enough info to go on for that program. I hope someone here has a copy of that software and can plug in the numbers and see what it says!
A good majority of .22 LR are made out of aluminum and plastic parts. Even many .22 LR revolvers have aluminum alloy cylinders, rifle receivers are often aluminum alloy as well.
You might try some Aguila ammunition with this same test procedure. Their "hot" 40 gr. 22lr is called Interceptor at 1470fps. Maybe try it against their 22mag load?
A few people have suggested that. I actually have another box of Velocitor and a box of the HP Interceptor that I planned to test in just a pistol, after so many requests i'll probably run both through the rifle and pistol in one test.
@@GunSam Cool...Aguila makes very decent ammunition and I really haven't seen it tested much. Your testing is very consistent and fair, so it should be a good evaluation against Velocitor (its competition).
A generation ago, unless otherwise stated, all the reported velocities came from a 24" ,bolt action test barrel.. I think that may still hold true with rim fire ammo. A short barrel semi auto Rossi is going to develop a lower velocity than stated on the ammo box. I was expecting 1400+ fps too. Musts forgot what I knew.🙄
there's like 1.5 grains of powder in a .22 LR. It would seem off to me that the velocity would keep gaining and gaining. My gut feeling tells me that after 18" you start to lose velocity.
The 22 LR HP expanded nicely but the 22 mag JHP did not but it looked like it may have tumbled. You should test the 50 grain 22 mag from a revolver to see if it tumbles consistently, being a longer bullet.
I wonder if "pound for pound" 22LR ammo has more total muzzle energy than other calibers. I know "pound for pound" you're getting more rounds of ammo with 22LR, but would that also equate to more total energy per pound of loaded ammo? If the question sounds confusing I'm basically wondering if something like 5 lbs of 22LR ammo would have more total muzzle energy if you added up each 150 ft lbs muzzle energy for each round of ammo in that 5 lbs of ammo and then compared that total to 5 lbs of other calibers like 223 rem, 9mm, 357 magnum, 44 magnum, etc. fired from the same 16" barrel length.
9mm is the most efficient centerfire cartridge I am aware of. In terms of weight per cartridge, out of a carbine, I doubt you can do better in terms of hunting and self defense, even against huge critters.
@@jasonshults368 I'm not sure where you are getting your data, but when it comes to overall loaded ammo weight in relation to overall, accumulated muzzle energy fired from a carbine length barrel 9mm is not on top because one round of 223 ammo weighs LESS than one round of 9mm ammo and 223 rem has double the muzzle energy as 9mm from the carbine length barrel. I know it sounds strange that 223 ammo would weigh less than 9mm ammo because the 223 ammo is much longer, but the projectile weight of 9mm is much more heavy and that's what makes 223 ammo lighter weight than 9mm ammo. There are other areas of efficiency where 9mm might be the most efficient and those might be overall space the ammo takes up in relation to the overall, accumulated muzzle energy and possibly 9mm might be the most efficient in terms of the amount of gun powder and cost of gun powder used in relation to the overall, accumulated muzzle energy, but 9mm most certainly is NOT the most efficient in terms of ammo weight in relation to muzzle energy.
What ammo would you recommend for a 357 mag derringer with a 2.5 inch barrel? Weird question I know. I would love a video of you doing some bond arms ballistic gel testing as there’s not a lot on YT. thanks!!!
I personally wouldn't even use .357 Magnum. You essentially have 1" of barrel to burn powder. You're best off with a heavy .38 Special+P like an Underwood 158 gr lead hollow point. People joke about snub nose revolvers losing most of the power of a .357 Mag in a 2" barrel, so you might as well use .38 Special. While that's not entirely true, it sort of is true in a derringer like that.
No, not illegal. If you don't want to get a tax stamp, you can get a handgun configured with a 14" barrel. I disagree with you, though. It depends on ammo brands, but I think 18" produces better velocity than 14" or 16". 20" doesn't seem to offer any more speed.
40 S&W Sub2K yields 10mm ballpark velocities with 180 grn. Shooting plinking loads at 941 fps out of my Sig 229 & 1219 fps out of my sub2000. Hot hand loads easily exceed 800 fpe (or more) out of the sub2000. 40 S&W Sub-2000 Handloads - Quest for 44 Mag Power th-cam.com/video/YUybFlriBg8/w-d-xo.html
I have noticed in my testing that the Aguila Interceptor actually hits around 1400 (advertised 1470) out of an 18" barrel, compared to the slower Velocitor- you can also get HP or FN with the Interceptor. Same thing happens CCI Stinger vs Aguila Supermaximum- 1500fps average from an 18" barrel with the Stinger and 1600 with the Supermaximum.
I tested the interceptor round nose last fall, and I have a box of Interceptor hollow point ready to test. Your comment makes me consider testing in the rifle instead of only pistol.
@@GunSam i´ve been watching a lot of your videos can you please do a video comparsion of the most expanding hollow points like norma mhp or the interceptor, also i really like these handgun vs rifle tests
I wonder to what range the Aguilla rounds stay supersonic - I bet at least one of the two rounds is supersonic beyond 100 yards -which would be a very good thing accuracy wise.
Enjoy the 22 testing 👍👍
I've got a Ruger Single Six convertible with a 4 5/8" barrel and I've had multiple people tell me that .22wmr is all but worthless out of a barrel that "short". I'm really enjoying the . 22wmr videos regardless of whether it's good news or bad lol.
That combo is just fine. Dont listen to those telling you it aint. Im 60. Been carrying and shooting many calibers and barrel lengths my whole life. I was raised on a farm back in the 70's. We butchered and hunted alot, so i have quit abit of real life experience. My field/fishing gun is a 6-1/2 inch barrel 22 magnum single action revolver. I was using a 5-1/2 barrel revolver before i picked up the 1" longer barrel gun. I'm very confident with either honestly. 22lr and 22 magnum handguns, and rifles, are very underrated by many people. My 22mag revolver is currently sitting on my kitchen table, doing its house duty there. I have various other caliber handguns loaded up and ready to go too. But i have complete faith in my 22mag revolver, and even my 22lr ones, to do the job if i need them.
The velocitor is the king of 22 LR. It’s really a great load. Thanks for the video.
I would like to see you review the rifle. It looks good and seems to shoot well. Thanks for the revolver action as always! ❤️👍
Thanks for testing and sharing. I've been looking at getting .22lr rifle.
Another great Video Sam
GS. Another good and interesting bullet comparison. I have a picky .22 LR handgun whereas the little extra power of the Velocitor makes it run (cycle). Thanks for sharing and take care.
Very interesting video. I love all of my 22lr rifles and pistols. I wish I could get to the range more frequently... like every day! Thx!
Good stuff and a nice comparison, thanks.
I’d take a “hot” 22 out of a rifle over a 22 Magnum out of a revolver/pistol if given the choice.
YES! Been waiting for this one...
Aguila Interceptor and Winchester Super-X Hyper Velocity usually run a bit faster than the CCI Velocitor. But, I think those advertised velocities are going to be 24-inch barrel.
Cool test, love it!
Interesting. Reenforces my opinion that 22LRs are hard to beat...
Love the 22lr and wmr reviews 👍
Interesting comparison. Never was a fan of the .22mag in a handgun just for that reason. Now let's try .22mag in a rifle vs 5.7×28 in a handgun.
Nice review. The 22 testing is quite interesting. There are so many types of. 22 the results are all over the board. Thanks.
They have been accurate for me 22 lr
That is cool I like the comparison and actually rifle is very easy to shoot . It can be more rounds count mossberg rifle carry 25 round 22lr it would be neat . Nice demonstration Sam 👍
I love that you do this kind of testing.
I think the mag wins in this case because penetration is paramount in these situations _but_ the 22 rifle for home defense is easier to hit well with and will be quieter. So a good case can be made for either. Of course for CCW the rifle is out.
I think the 22 lr beat the 22wmr in this video.
Good info thanks!
I still love my Marlin model 25MN bolt action, which is JM stamped.
It is sad to see most of the gun makers that I grew up with either fold or relocate elsewhere. Marlin was always the solid and handsome working man’s go to. Treasure it and thanks for sharing!
Marlin is better than ever under the management of Ruger.
Remains to be seen if they manage some new .22 calibers.
@@exothermal.sprocket I will take your word for it regarding quality but their price point is quite high, contrary to what it had been when I was a youngster. I just sold a Marlin model 336C that I purchased new in the mid 1980's for about $215.00 tax included. That was about the going rate back then and you got a quality rifle made of blued steel and walnut that was rugged and accurate. The new models are that plus 1K, not exactly the common mans rifle that they used to be.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 It's difficult to quantify prices over the course of decades, due to the fact Marlin is now being manufactured in state of the art facility with computerized equipment. The old factory was a lot of manual talent with old machines, in a different State under different management. Also the old Marlins were made in a time where the cost was figured out a very long time ago, and prior to the trillions of dollars printed by the Treasury to pay for Congressional wretchedness, driving inflation through the roof.
Today, our dollar has the purchasing power of $0.04. In 1933, it was $1.
I would like to see this with Federal Punch. Thanks though - I always enjoy your vids.
👍😊 good test
So long ago that home chronographs were uncommon, and optional ”skyscreens” (so you didn’t have to use up two printed circuit screens with every shot) cost more than the base chronograph, I found 22LR hi-speed from a rifle about equal to 22WMR from a 3” Charter Arms revolver. The issue at the time was using the little 22WMR on backstops designed for 22LR. The only difference I noted was the jacketed 22WMR vs plated lead 22LR.
RE: 22Lr in a rifle , the 25 rd ruger mags work well
Good stuff, i love 22lr and 22 mag but ill still carry a 22 mag if in gonna carry one or the other. I normally carry a 22 mag hornady 45 grain red tip if i happen to have one on me. Ive really fell in love with the 22 mag derringers and revolvers over the past couple years for times i dont feel i need as much fire power.
I enjoy watching your testing. Thank you. God Bless. 🔥🙏⚔️🛡✝️🇬🇪🏴⛪️
Wonder why they do not manufacture a ..22 Magnum with a plated lead hollow point for handgun use only ..
That could be an improvement to ensure reliable expansion for the magnum when used for self defence or small game hunting. Would make it cheaper too..
I've kept my Ruger 10/22 loaded with Aguila Interceptor (1470fps) so I found this interesting.
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You unsling that rifle and get it up to 'Ready' real quickly. Looks like you might have some practice with that move!
For the algorithm.
Velocitors reaching ~1500 fps with a weatherby XXII so you can also exceed box velocity if you have a match barrel too the tighter tolerances can speed it up even more sometimes
sam great comparison, i would to see 22lr rev (not a convertable its bore is larger than lr) vs 22mag rev w/ same lenght barrel... always impressed w/your analysis, thanks
Interesting results. Out of my TOZ-78 with 21" barrel the velocitor goes 1457 fps in 10 shot average. A lot of punch for a .22.
I really, really, really wanted to see this test and for the .22Magnum from the 3" LCRx to do well. Instead it is rather mediocre. Ruger did have an 8-shot .22Mag LCRx, but it has disappeared. I thought that would have made a good carry gun. I guess I stick with a .38 snub for that carry role. Thanks for this test.
An odd thing about reloading .22lr is if you stuff the case to the gills with good black powder (Swiss or equivalent) you will match the hypersonic .22 lr (like Velocitor) in speed and energy. You would not think it possible, but it is. This leads me to believe that with smokeless powder in .22lr cases can be loaded way beyond what is commercially available. It must be that there are too many guns or barrels that just can't handle this sort of pressure, so it is never done. But I do wonder what could be done with a .22 lr built with a bomb proof action and with a barrel made to withstand 65,000 PSI. I have never heard of a .22lr built that way (and I don't think I ever will), but it is feasible. It would be amazing no doubt. And it would still be an exceptionally light and compact round - the ultimate survival round if you will. And I would make it with a spire point and a boat tail (there is a new .22lr round made that way, finally. It is far too pricey though). If I were to make a WAG, I would think 400 ftlbs energy is possible (160 ftlbs is possible with Swiss powder IIRC, and smokeless has roughly 3 times the power density of BP.).
Someone could do some fascinating tests using a gun they were willing to sacrifice to the cause and a string to pull the trigger - hopefully the chrono would work on the first try!
ps an AR barrel would be a place to start.
I wonder what that load development software would have to say? I forget the name of the program, but it seems to give numbers that are really close to reality. Someone could give it a go and see what the program would say? With case volume, powder density, etc - it seems there would be enough info to go on for that program. I hope someone here has a copy of that software and can plug in the numbers and see what it says!
A good majority of .22 LR are made out of aluminum and plastic parts. Even many .22 LR revolvers have aluminum alloy cylinders, rifle receivers are often aluminum alloy as well.
When using 22 for self defense accuracy is important, i think based on this testing i would choose the LR over the Magnum.
That is a good test . How about both tested in handguns . See how the 22lr will be to the mag in a handgun.
You might try some Aguila ammunition with this same test procedure. Their "hot" 40 gr. 22lr is called Interceptor at 1470fps. Maybe try it against their 22mag load?
A few people have suggested that. I actually have another box of Velocitor and a box of the HP Interceptor that I planned to test in just a pistol, after so many requests i'll probably run both through the rifle and pistol in one test.
@@GunSam Cool...Aguila makes very decent ammunition and I really haven't seen it tested much. Your testing is very consistent and fair, so it should be a good evaluation against Velocitor (its competition).
@@GunSam Also, if we want to send you some stuff to test, how does one do that?
A generation ago, unless otherwise stated, all the reported velocities came from a 24" ,bolt action test barrel..
I think that may still hold true with rim fire ammo.
A short barrel semi auto Rossi is going to develop a lower velocity than stated on the ammo box.
I was expecting 1400+ fps too. Musts forgot what I knew.🙄
there's like 1.5 grains of powder in a .22 LR. It would seem off to me that the velocity would keep gaining and gaining. My gut feeling tells me that after 18" you start to lose velocity.
Good vid bro b blessed
The 22 LR HP expanded nicely but the 22 mag JHP did not but it looked like it may have tumbled. You should test the 50 grain 22 mag from a revolver to see if it tumbles consistently, being a longer bullet.
People often ask me to test what I already did...
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@@GunSam thanks, that 22 mag 50 grain did well.
Sam, how about something similar between the Velosifer in a riffle and a 380 pistol. Someone claimed the Velosofer out of a rifle was similar....
I'm sure I'm not the first one to say this but I'd love for Ruger to make the LCRx in wmr with an 8 round cylinder. Just saying...
Nice pistol.
I wonder if "pound for pound" 22LR ammo has more total muzzle energy than other calibers. I know "pound for pound" you're getting more rounds of ammo with 22LR, but would that also equate to more total energy per pound of loaded ammo? If the question sounds confusing I'm basically wondering if something like 5 lbs of 22LR ammo would have more total muzzle energy if you added up each 150 ft lbs muzzle energy for each round of ammo in that 5 lbs of ammo and then compared that total to 5 lbs of other calibers like 223 rem, 9mm, 357 magnum, 44 magnum, etc. fired from the same 16" barrel length.
9mm is the most efficient centerfire cartridge I am aware of. In terms of weight per cartridge, out of a carbine, I doubt you can do better in terms of hunting and self defense, even against huge critters.
@@jasonshults368 I'm not sure where you are getting your data, but when it comes to overall loaded ammo weight in relation to overall, accumulated muzzle energy fired from a carbine length barrel 9mm is not on top because one round of 223 ammo weighs LESS than one round of 9mm ammo and 223 rem has double the muzzle energy as 9mm from the carbine length barrel. I know it sounds strange that 223 ammo would weigh less than 9mm ammo because the 223 ammo is much longer, but the projectile weight of 9mm is much more heavy and that's what makes 223 ammo lighter weight than 9mm ammo. There are other areas of efficiency where 9mm might be the most efficient and those might be overall space the ammo takes up in relation to the overall, accumulated muzzle energy and possibly 9mm might be the most efficient in terms of the amount of gun powder and cost of gun powder used in relation to the overall, accumulated muzzle energy, but 9mm most certainly is NOT the most efficient in terms of ammo weight in relation to muzzle energy.
What ammo would you recommend for a 357 mag derringer with a 2.5 inch barrel? Weird question I know. I would love a video of you doing some bond arms ballistic gel testing as there’s not a lot on YT. thanks!!!
I personally wouldn't even use .357 Magnum. You essentially have 1" of barrel to burn powder. You're best off with a heavy .38 Special+P like an Underwood 158 gr lead hollow point. People joke about snub nose revolvers losing most of the power of a .357 Mag in a 2" barrel, so you might as well use .38 Special. While that's not entirely true, it sort of is true in a derringer like that.
@@GunSam Thank you Sam. I agree. I would love to see you do some testing with a bond arms one day. And you can buy as many caliber barrels as you want
A green box might have better contrast with the dark background.
Maybe do 22 mag in a rifle vs handgun
ideal barrel length for .22 LR velocity is like 14 inches iirc, so illegal basically.
No, not illegal. If you don't want to get a tax stamp, you can get a handgun configured with a 14" barrel. I disagree with you, though. It depends on ammo brands, but I think 18" produces better velocity than 14" or 16". 20" doesn't seem to offer any more speed.
40 S&W Sub2K yields 10mm ballpark velocities with 180 grn. Shooting plinking loads at 941 fps out of my Sig 229 & 1219 fps out of my sub2000. Hot hand loads easily exceed 800 fpe (or more) out of the sub2000.
40 S&W Sub-2000 Handloads - Quest for 44 Mag Power
th-cam.com/video/YUybFlriBg8/w-d-xo.html