Stock GI spring for .45 ACP is 16 lbs. A flat bottom firing pin stop is what John Browning designed for his 1911. Keep pistol in battery longer and slows rear movement. Radiused stops allowed easy racking while on horseback. Look that up fellas... The slide hanging up can be corrected with the flat bottom stop, eliminating the extra heavy magazine spring causing slide locking up.
I have shot thousands 45 Super through a couple relatively stock 1911's (just normal custom upgrades) and a heavy recoil spring. All the rounds were my own hand loads using new Starline 45 Super brass (a little heavier webbing). I never had a case head separation, etc., guns ran fine.
Well, I picked up an ATI Moxie for my 460 project. (didnt want to risk an expensive gun). I figured the polymer might even help. I rebuilt the gun with the Flat Bottom stop and the springs you suggested. I took care of the trigger and tuned everything per the TH-cam Gurus . I have to say, this beast spits out 450 SMC like a tac hammer. The trigger is just under 3.5 lbs and I haven't had a malfunction yet. Now, I'm starting handloads. Press is in the mail as we speak. Your channel has been very helpful. Thanks a bunch. I knew the 45acp was being held back by age discrimination. There is no reason 45acp shouldn't have the same pressure capacity as 9mm or even 10mm for that matter. Oh, this Moxie is pretty decent. It has turned out to be a pretty solid platform...who knew? Keep up the videos😁
Yes sir he is a legend for sure, as a fellow reloader your videos have really captured my attention, i appreciate the knowledge you have shared, i have dabbled around with some pretty stout 45 auto loads but haven't went into 45 super territory yet... thanks for all you do.
I’ve been comfortable shooting Underwood 45 Super 135gr Xtreme Defender out of stock 45’s… about 700 foot pounds just over 1500 fps. The lighter projectile is easier on the gun for sure.
Appreciate the video, I want to do this with my Tisas 1911 but only about a magazine’s worth per year for deer hunting. A lot of people quick to give advice on what they read, but like everything else manufacturing tolerances and material quality varies. TurkeysOpinion had a video mostly supporting this or at least showing that the ACP cases were stronger than the +P cases and were very close to the super cases (primer failures). Thanks for sharing your experience and data.
I use a 200 h&g style swc pushed with universal powder to about 1100 fps. More of a +p than a super. This round has worked great on hogs and deer out to 50 yards. I did put an 18.5 pound recoil spring and shock buff in it. The stock spring was 16 pounds.
Great video, thanks,very enlightening.I’ve never fired a 45 super,but the last couple of years been thinking hard on purchasing one,or buying barrel an spring set up for one of my 1911s.I might just take the plunge and do what you’ve done.Everything you’ve said in your video make’s sense so to speak to me.I think if it’ll work for you,it should work for me .We’ll soon see.
Capital Cartridge has mixed .45 ACP brass with lots of Blazer/CCI/Speer/Federal small pistol in the mix. FYI all those are owned by same company. Remington is the newest, so RP brass will soon be small pistol also.
@@eancola6111 from what I’ve seen, terminal ballistics aren’t much improved over say a good +p. So I’m not certain the trade off and extra abuse is worth it.
I'll bet if Elmer kieth, where alive today, he would've already found a way to push the 1911 to "X-frame" pressures. Lol. I'm just pulling your leg with that one. I love watching the engineering genius of the world's best semi-auto pistol, proving itself to be the single best, time proven invention in Americas history.
A lot of people put down Kimbers. For me, I think they are one of the best 1911s on the market. I got a Kimber 45 about 25 years ago and I put somewhere around 60,000-65,000 rounds through it and never had any problems out of it. It is a stainless custom carry. It's very accurate out to 75-80 yards. I've never shot anything over a +p. Great video and thanks for your intelligence on the ammo rounds you reload....
As others have stated, the original design used a flat based firing pin stop plate. The stop plate was radiused after complaints from troops in the field about difficulty racking the slide. You'll tame that slide speed with a flat based firing pin stop plate and increasing the mainspring pressure above the 23 lb. standard. My Ruger sr1911 has a 28 lb. main spring, flat based stop plate, Rowland 22 / 44 lb. differential flat wound spring around a Wilson one piece guide rod, with a Wilson multi port compensator. It functions reliably with standard pressure plinking ammo, but shoots a steady diet of .45 Super. One sweet shooter, and I like it a lot.
You more than likely don't affect the frame at all during recoil but...a 28 lbs recoil spring getting the slide into battery will end up doing damage at the other end. I wouldn't go above 24 lbs, 22 preferably if the gun is a carbon steel gun and less if it's a stainless steel which has a higher coefficient of friction. You may not agree and I accept that but 28 lbs is way too much.
I have a Franken-Glock Glock 30(S) [Glock 30SF Gen 3.5 Frame, Glock 36 Slide] that I changed the barrel to a KKM fully supported standard rifling. Added 23 # Wolff springs and guide rod. It eats 45 Super for dinner just fine; 260Gr. (255gr Lee mold TC) at 940fps - ouch. I like the 185gr Hornady XTPs for self-defense - as they still open good at higher pressure. Golddots don't like the higher pressure and open too soon from what I've seen. There is a sweet spot for self-defense, and I think the 450 SMC loadings may have found it - in terms of accuracy, energy, and expansion. Make your own SMC cases by cutting down 270, 30-06, if you want LPP, or 308, CM if you want SPP. 45 Super is higher pressure than 450 SMC and it uses a normal LPP - so the paranoia with 450 SMC about using SPP is just that. They are being careful because they advertise it can be used in ANY 45 Auto... like a Khar PM45 or a 1940's WWII CMP 1911.
Its probably a bad idea to shoot a lot of 45 super in an acp gun but at least with the heavier recoil spring you can probably get away with a few rounds for self defense.
Great videos. which 200 gr bullet load was doing 1400 was it the 800x or tite group? you ever get a chance to load some 190 gr lehigh extreme defender loads at 45 super vel. would be great as I am looking at setting up my stainles para expert to shoot 45 super. Thanks again for the great videos.
Hey Stuck Case have you thought about trying the hornady 240 grain mag bullets .452 size. I drive it 1200 fps with power pistol and longshot powder. They are awesome.
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO! I wish Buffalo Bore or Underwood would use Hornady XTP bullets in their 45 Super cartridges but they use the dam Nosler bullets that mushroom to much and have very shallow penatration! Even their 230g +P loads use the dam Nosler! I realized this about a month ago. Hell i was carrying the 230g Buffalo Bore for two years before i realized this or I would set my gun up to carry their 45 Super. So now I carry the Hornady 230g +P Custom cartridges in my gun with the XTP but as always their stated velocity is lower by 50 to 60 fps! Pisses me off! I don't reload but want to. I don't like to shoot at public ranges and I have to drive either 6 or 8 hours to get to where I can shoot on private land. Yep it sucks! SrY safe and God Bless...
So glad to see a fat, 45 keeping pace (1190) fps with a 9 mm. A bigger, fatter round. 230 hitting 960 to 1, 000 fps. Olympic speed out of a regular....!
I reload 45 super for my Taurus pt 845 in 45 acp.i use star line 45 super brass, longshot and power pistol powder, Hornady 185-200-250 xtp bullets,get bullets 255 gr hardcast wide mouth deep hp. water testing the 255 gr expands to 7/8 inch across.accurate.papa
@@The1911Guy272 year-old noobie (student) here, same question "but WHY?" I appreciate your patience with teaching us who are not in the know at this point. Everybody has to start somewhere, sometime.😊 I'm just a little late.
@@robertrenstrom4668 basically in Lehman terms the different primer helped the cartridge build more pressure. But also because the ammo had a copyright / patent claim so they couldn't reproduce .45 super 1 to 1 so they changed the primer making a difference "bullet".
Have you tried any Buffalo bore 45 super? I'd be interested in hear how the CZ 97B 45 would do. But I can't risk one of my only two guns just because of my curiosity. I love my 45s, and I wish I had a 1911 to go with them. Great video, subscribed of course. 😎👍
I shoot super out of my CZ-97BD, but I changed some things first. I put in a Sprinco guide rod, a Wolff 20lb recoil spring, and a 22 lb main spring to slow down the slide. Seems to handle it well.
Blue dot is one of my favorite powders. Works well for mag calibers and even for light 450 bushmaster loads. Also reduced rifle loads in 223 & 308. On some early hot 45 acp load testing with light bullets, I was finding unburned flakes of blue dot on my chrono. I’d agree you can probably fill the case and not have an over pressure issue in 45acp. Thanks for the video!
Might seem like a dumb question but I have a kimber eclipse custom ii in 45 wondered if I can run 45 super factory ammo through it in stock form I'm not a reloader just wondered if it'd handle it.
It always tickles me how your videos make people say "you can't do that" an yet you have dozens of videos of you doing it. I also use 45 acp brass for my super loads. For top end loads I throw away the brass after. I am using federal small primer brass for Rowland level loads.
Well, I found my next magazines to try. I do want to learn more about the choice in powders a primers. I've tested some 🦬 bore in a commander with guide rod, 22lb recoil spring and compensator
@@stuckcase7775 I use "standard" 45 super loads. Still a hell of a round though. I would love to see like a... Ballistics dumby test with all those rounds. See how much damage they actually do since they don't penetrate Ballistics gel much(8-10 inches)
@@deadlyalliance8281 most of the cast bullets will pass through Some will tumble due to nose design My favorite HG 68 clone is a driver-you really have to try to recover it IE sand, wet print, etc…
@@stuckcase7775 oh yeah, the 45 super underwood Nosler hollow points stop short though in Ballistics gel. They mushroom too fast and dump their energy within 8-10 inches depending on the grain. The 230 grain being alittle slower, goes alittle further. The 185 Nosler is around the 7.5 inch mark which severely fail fbi tests but I'm sure they'd still wreck a human. After all they are rated for large game. Idk, Ballistics gel and ft lbs of energy don't match up for some reason. The hornady xtp 45 supers by underwood perform better in gel. 255 grain hard cast 45 super might just rip through 2 people lol
@@patrickfloyd6218 barrel length is directly proportional to muzzle velocity and flash with medium pistol powders. I would not recommend them. Pursue some faster burning powders such as AA5 231 HP38 Titegroup
Considering 9mm 115 grain is around 350 ft lbs of energy, the 45 Auto being twice as big should have no reason its not twice as powerful as the 9mm. Most off the shelf 45 Auto 230 grain goes about 740 to 830 fps, which is 280 to 352 ft lbs of energy...weaker than standard off the shelf 9mm.
So I picked up some Hawthorn 45 Super Ammunition. On the box says 1490fps / 1257 fpe . I ran it thru the chronograph out of my 1911 45 super and it registered 1523 fps . Holy smokes!!! I couldn't believe it so I shot 20 rounds to confirm and all of them hit over 1490 fps.. that is insane🤟😎👍❤🇺🇸
Hmmmmmm No thanks. 45 super needs a thicker walled bottom case. Trying this will at some point result in a catastrophic blowout of the bottom of the case and doesn't sound very fun. You could do this in a HK USP all day every day but a 1911 with the barrel not fully supporting the case and the cases being regular 45 cases? No bueno. But hey, if its workin for this guy okie dokie. I just wldnt try that one.
Sounds like you're aware of the minimal mods that most people think are necessary - small-radius firing pin stop and heavier mainspring, which can be used regardless of load - so why not?
@@kimisdaman the radius firing pin retainer has shown me no value after several thousand rounds and 30 years. I bought in at first based on design and observation of the guns requirements to unlock. In reality, I haven’t observed any benefit.
@@stuckcase7775 I have them in all of my guns, and find them very useful; the lighter the recoil spring, the better-handling the gun, and I can run springs 2#-6# lighter, depending on caliber, with the reduced-radius FPS.
Get your thumb off the side of the frame where it doesn't belong. Your left thumb should be down not up on the frame. I have tried that grip and I cannot for the life of me understand why people try and use it. A little bit more of a weaver hold and you might be able to handle the recoil. You should not be shooting that load in that gun if you can't handle the recoil any better than that.
Thx for your expertise The hold is generic for data purposes only I’ve never pursued bullseye in a pistol Makes no sense Gun was designed for spitting distance use Lotta info out there on how to be Rob Leatham I’m not one of them Never tried to be Never will try Thx
All well and good but the 45ACP was designed to penetrate more at lower velocities. These lower velocities not only are better at shocking / dropping your target but will also prolong the life of your pistol and be less of a problem to unintended targets in the next rooms over. We're always trying to improve things that have been tested for years by armed forces ordnance experts for our troops. This is generslly pointless. If you want severe speed for using hard casts on grizzlies switch to 10mm.
Great video SC 👍
The 1911 continues to perform after 110 years and counting.
Stock GI spring for .45 ACP is 16 lbs. A flat bottom firing pin stop is what John Browning designed for his 1911. Keep pistol in battery longer and slows rear movement. Radiused stops allowed easy racking while on horseback. Look that up fellas... The slide hanging up can be corrected with the flat bottom stop, eliminating the extra heavy magazine spring causing slide locking up.
A heavier main spring or hammer spring producing more resistance for the slide to push the hammer back into battery.
My left thumb was hanging up the slide stop
Only happens when I shoot off of sand bags
It’s the angle of my wrists
@@edmonddupris8422 230gr Ball ammo and hotter 185-200gr loads it works fine. I use Wolff variable rate springs.
You mean 18😂
@@The1911Guy2 nope, 16 lb is correct. Use Google.
Excellent content. 45 Super is very hard to find on the commercial market. I have often heard that Underwood makes an offering .Got to love the M1911!
The "INTERNET" is a thing.
I have shot thousands 45 Super through a couple relatively stock 1911's (just normal custom upgrades) and a heavy recoil spring. All the rounds were my own hand loads using new Starline 45 Super brass (a little heavier webbing). I never had a case head separation, etc., guns ran fine.
Check my build out
Well, I picked up an ATI Moxie for my 460 project. (didnt want to risk an expensive gun).
I figured the polymer might even help.
I rebuilt the gun with the Flat Bottom stop and the springs you suggested.
I took care of the trigger and tuned everything per the TH-cam Gurus .
I have to say, this beast spits out 450 SMC like a tac hammer. The trigger is just under 3.5 lbs and I haven't had a malfunction yet.
Now, I'm starting handloads. Press is in the mail as we speak.
Your channel has been very helpful. Thanks a bunch.
I knew the 45acp was being held back by age discrimination. There is no reason 45acp shouldn't have the same pressure capacity as 9mm or even 10mm for that matter.
Oh, this Moxie is pretty decent. It has turned out to be a pretty solid platform...who knew?
Keep up the videos😁
Dang stuck case, your the Elmer Keith of the 45 acp. Good to know what a good modern 1911 is capable of. I enjoyed!
Elmer is a legend
I adhere to many of his assumptions on bullet design and effectiveness
Yes sir he is a legend for sure, as a fellow reloader your videos have really captured my attention, i appreciate the knowledge you have shared, i have dabbled around with some pretty stout 45 auto loads but haven't went into 45 super territory yet... thanks for all you do.
I’ve been comfortable shooting Underwood 45 Super 135gr Xtreme Defender out of stock 45’s… about 700 foot pounds just over 1500 fps. The lighter projectile is easier on the gun for sure.
Good to see you back. The brass catcher is a good idea, I bet that brass is coming out fast!
Appreciate the video, I want to do this with my Tisas 1911 but only about a magazine’s worth per year for deer hunting. A lot of people quick to give advice on what they read, but like everything else manufacturing tolerances and material quality varies. TurkeysOpinion had a video mostly supporting this or at least showing that the ACP cases were stronger than the +P cases and were very close to the super cases (primer failures). Thanks for sharing your experience and data.
I think proper lubrication on the barrel goes a long way towards preventing the parts from beating themselves to death also.
I already did it.
I use a 200 h&g style swc pushed with universal powder to about 1100 fps. More of a +p than a super. This round has worked great on hogs and deer out to 50 yards. I did put an 18.5 pound recoil spring and shock buff in it. The stock spring was 16 pounds.
Great video, thanks,very enlightening.I’ve never fired a 45 super,but the last couple of years been thinking hard on purchasing one,or buying barrel an spring set up for one of my 1911s.I might just take the plunge and do what you’ve done.Everything you’ve said in your video make’s sense so to speak to me.I think if it’ll work for you,it should work for me .We’ll soon see.
Capital Cartridge has mixed .45 ACP brass with lots of Blazer/CCI/Speer/Federal small pistol in the mix. FYI all those are owned by same company. Remington is the newest, so RP brass will soon be small pistol also.
You can see by that muzzle flip, that is indeed 45 super. 😂
Because he's running the wrong springs lol😂
@@The1911Guy2 did I miss that? Did he not upgrade the spring? That’s abuse.
@@jefferyleo76 he's running a spring that's not heavy enough that's why the flip is happening under sprung
I’ve not been afraid to shoot many guns in my life but watching that makes me slightly more content with standard ACPs
@@eancola6111 from what I’ve seen, terminal ballistics aren’t much improved over say a good +p. So I’m not certain the trade off and extra abuse is worth it.
I'll bet if Elmer kieth, where alive today, he would've already found a way to push the 1911 to "X-frame" pressures. Lol. I'm just pulling your leg with that one. I love watching the engineering genius of the world's best semi-auto pistol, proving itself to be the single best, time proven invention in Americas history.
Great video very informative, thanks for posting this!
Capital Cartridge has a mix of once fired .45 ACP brass 40% is the Fed/CCI/BLAZER/SPEER small pistol brass. $78 per 1K shipped.
I have a few thousand
A lot of people put down Kimbers. For me, I think they are one of the best 1911s on the market. I got a Kimber 45 about 25 years ago and I put somewhere around 60,000-65,000 rounds through it and never had any problems out of it. It is a stainless custom carry. It's very accurate out to 75-80 yards. I've never shot anything over a +p.
Great video and thanks for your intelligence on the ammo rounds you reload....
I’ve actually hit targets at 175 yards with it
Not consistently but an eye opener
As others have stated, the original design used a flat based firing pin stop plate.
The stop plate was radiused after complaints from troops in the field about difficulty racking the slide.
You'll tame that slide speed with a flat based firing pin stop plate and increasing the mainspring pressure above the 23 lb. standard.
My Ruger sr1911 has a 28 lb. main spring, flat based stop plate, Rowland 22 / 44 lb. differential flat wound spring around a Wilson one piece guide rod, with a Wilson multi port compensator.
It functions reliably with standard pressure plinking ammo, but shoots a steady diet of .45 Super.
One sweet shooter, and I like it a lot.
You more than likely don't affect the frame at all during recoil but...a 28 lbs recoil spring getting the slide into battery will end up doing damage at the other end. I wouldn't go above 24 lbs, 22 preferably if the gun is a carbon steel gun and less if it's a stainless steel which has a higher coefficient of friction. You may not agree and I accept that but 28 lbs is way too much.
@@paulhomsy2751 A 28 lb mainspring, not recoil spring.
The mainspring found inside the mainspring housing "powers" the hammer.
@J ruger as run cast metal for many years and reloads love those hawks
@@paulhomsy2751 bullet design contributes more to that regard than just return spring rate
@@dwaynewalker986 and contributes to slide speed reduction
I have a Franken-Glock Glock 30(S) [Glock 30SF Gen 3.5 Frame, Glock 36 Slide] that I changed the barrel to a KKM fully supported standard rifling. Added 23 # Wolff springs and guide rod. It eats 45 Super for dinner just fine; 260Gr. (255gr Lee mold TC) at 940fps - ouch. I like the 185gr Hornady XTPs for self-defense - as they still open good at higher pressure. Golddots don't like the higher pressure and open too soon from what I've seen. There is a sweet spot for self-defense, and I think the 450 SMC loadings may have found it - in terms of accuracy, energy, and expansion. Make your own SMC cases by cutting down 270, 30-06, if you want LPP, or 308, CM if you want SPP. 45 Super is higher pressure than 450 SMC and it uses a normal LPP - so the paranoia with 450 SMC about using SPP is just that. They are being careful because they advertise it can be used in ANY 45 Auto... like a Khar PM45 or a 1940's WWII CMP 1911.
She got some pep in her step.
Its probably a bad idea to shoot a lot of 45 super in an acp gun but at least with the heavier recoil spring you can probably get away with a few rounds for self defense.
Properly cleaned and lived I’ve seen no degradation
Great videos. which 200 gr bullet load was doing 1400 was it the 800x or tite group? you ever get a chance to load some 190 gr lehigh extreme defender loads at 45 super vel. would be great as I am looking at setting up my stainles para expert to shoot 45 super. Thanks again for the great videos.
I did this to a forged tisas raider
That load looks likes it’s putting a whooping on that pistol. 😊
@@kamikazekunze thousands later
Still shoots clover leafs
good video..
Hey Stuck Case have you thought about trying the hornady 240 grain mag bullets .452 size. I drive it 1200 fps with power pistol and longshot powder. They are awesome.
Like me some longshot
No I have not
I had a Argentine systems Colt , shooting 200 gr semi wad cutters ,Lyman lube ,935 fps. Very accurate.
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO! I wish Buffalo Bore or Underwood would use Hornady XTP bullets in their 45 Super cartridges but they use the dam Nosler bullets that mushroom to much and have very shallow penatration! Even their 230g +P loads use the dam Nosler! I realized this about a month ago. Hell i was carrying the 230g Buffalo Bore for two years before i realized this or I would set my gun up to carry their 45 Super. So now I carry the Hornady 230g +P Custom cartridges in my gun with the XTP but as always their stated velocity is lower by 50 to 60 fps! Pisses me off! I don't reload but want to. I don't like to shoot at public ranges and I have to drive either 6 or 8 hours to get to where I can shoot on private land. Yep it sucks! SrY safe and God Bless...
XTP is best pistol bullet ever designed.
@@bobjohnson1633 DAM RIGHT!
Update. I was WRONG ABOUT BUFFALO BORE BULLETS IN THEIR 230G 45SUPER! THEY USE HORNADY XTP BULLETS! I NOW CARRY THE 45SUPER!!
@@bobjohnson1633 Speer has a few also
I also forgot got I shoot my 45 super reloads in my high point 45 pistol also,no problem
111grain +p grindhard anyone?
So glad to see a fat, 45 keeping pace (1190) fps with a 9 mm. A bigger, fatter round. 230 hitting 960 to 1, 000 fps. Olympic speed out of a regular....!
It would have been nice to see the ejection distance of the brass.
Depends on the load
Thumbs foreward grip strikes again.
Yep so do the TH-cam ninjas
Video excellent. However how do you make a round nose flat point bullet?? It it it is either round or flat?
It’s the designation of the design
I reload 45 super for my Taurus pt 845 in 45 acp.i use star line 45 super brass, longshot and power pistol powder, Hornady 185-200-250 xtp bullets,get bullets 255 gr hardcast wide mouth deep hp. water testing the 255 gr expands to 7/8 inch across.accurate.papa
Great video. Question. Why do you use small rifle primers instead of small pistol primers?
They did that to .450 smc
@@The1911Guy272 year-old noobie (student) here, same question "but WHY?" I appreciate your patience with teaching us who are not in the know at this point. Everybody has to start somewhere, sometime.😊 I'm just a little late.
@@robertrenstrom4668 basically in Lehman terms the different primer helped the cartridge build more pressure.
But also because the ammo had a copyright / patent claim so they couldn't reproduce .45 super 1 to 1 so they changed the primer making a difference "bullet".
@@crossroadschurch9896 buy one primer for 5.56, 6.5 Creedmor, 45
Are u using 45 acp brass and not 45 super brass?
@@solarlion144 depends
I use small primer large primer
Super
Little bit of everything
Have you tried any Buffalo bore 45 super?
I'd be interested in hear how the CZ 97B 45 would do. But I can't risk one of my only two guns just because of my curiosity.
I love my 45s, and I wish I had a 1911 to go with them.
Great video, subscribed of course. 😎👍
I shoot super out of my CZ-97BD, but I changed some things first. I put in a Sprinco guide rod, a Wolff 20lb recoil spring, and a 22 lb main spring to slow down the slide. Seems to handle it well.
@@Subtlenimbus thanks I appreciate the info! 😎👍
No sir
How many grains of blue dot do u use with the 230 berrys ?
I have not used Berrys in years
Sorry
i wonder if a muzzle break would have any effect with a otherwise stock 1911?
Slide mass is the key
Newton was no dummy
Physics applies
Any measure necessary to reduce slide velocity will tame the battery
Where did you get that brass catcher.
Fuckers at the outdoor range by me won't let me pick up my brass. Brass Nazis use it to load for customers they say.
Midwayusa
On the 200 grain hard cast bullet did you say 11 grains of 800 x ?
. Did you say 11 grains of 800x with 200 grain hardcast
Blue dot is one of my favorite powders. Works well for mag calibers and even for light 450 bushmaster loads. Also reduced rifle loads in 223 & 308.
On some early hot 45 acp load testing with light bullets, I was finding unburned flakes of blue dot on my chrono. I’d agree you can probably fill the case and not have an over pressure issue in 45acp.
Thanks for the video!
Might seem like a dumb question but I have a kimber eclipse custom ii in 45 wondered if I can run 45 super factory ammo through it in stock form I'm not a reloader just wondered if it'd handle it.
@@jonathanclaypool563 don’t see why not
Kimber would advise you not to
I’m just a dumb hill billy
No this was great information thank you very much.
It always tickles me how your videos make people say "you can't do that" an yet you have dozens of videos of you doing it. I also use 45 acp brass for my super loads. For top end loads I throw away the brass after. I am using federal small primer brass for Rowland level loads.
One of the reasons I do it
@@stuckcase7775LOL
That's a spicy meatball!
Well, I found my next magazines to try. I do want to learn more about the choice in powders a primers.
I've tested some 🦬 bore in a commander with guide rod, 22lb recoil spring and compensator
That's above 45 super loads. Imbetween 45 super and 460 rowland. Closer to the super mark, but still above it.
Yep
@@stuckcase7775 I use "standard" 45 super loads. Still a hell of a round though. I would love to see like a... Ballistics dumby test with all those rounds. See how much damage they actually do since they don't penetrate Ballistics gel much(8-10 inches)
@@deadlyalliance8281 most of the cast bullets will pass through
Some will tumble due to nose design
My favorite HG 68 clone is a driver-you really have to try to recover it
IE sand, wet print, etc…
@@stuckcase7775 oh yeah, the 45 super underwood Nosler hollow points stop short though in Ballistics gel. They mushroom too fast and dump their energy within 8-10 inches depending on the grain. The 230 grain being alittle slower, goes alittle further. The 185 Nosler is around the 7.5 inch mark which severely fail fbi tests but I'm sure they'd still wreck a human. After all they are rated for large game. Idk, Ballistics gel and ft lbs of energy don't match up for some reason. The hornady xtp 45 supers by underwood perform better in gel. 255 grain hard cast 45 super might just rip through 2 people lol
@@deadlyalliance8281 two holes to bleed through
Mr Keith was a smart man
Large diameter blunt bullets make for dinner plate entrees out of animals
Where can I get that brass catcher?
Midwayusa
@@stuckcase7775 Thank you. I'll check it out.
Just get yourself a gun made for that cartridge, like the Mark 23, or the USP 45, both having the recoil reduction system.
Not interested
@@stuckcase7775 Fair enough. Some people, including myself, just get used to something and don't want to change. I get it.
that is violent
Yep
Would you recommend these loads in a commander model 1911?
Yes
@@patrickfloyd6218 barrel length is directly proportional to muzzle velocity and flash with medium pistol powders. I would not recommend them. Pursue some faster burning powders such as AA5 231 HP38 Titegroup
Would the 11grs of BD with 250gr shoot in Glock 21
@@redteam9881 not sure
Haven’t tried it
Considering 9mm 115 grain is around 350 ft lbs of energy, the 45 Auto being twice as big should have no reason its not twice as powerful as the 9mm. Most off the shelf 45 Auto 230 grain goes about 740 to 830 fps, which is 280 to 352 ft lbs of energy...weaker than standard off the shelf 9mm.
@@Radvous your wife can enjoy the 9MM too
Kaboom is coming
Been hearing it since 1997
Thx
So I picked up some Hawthorn 45 Super Ammunition. On the box says 1490fps / 1257 fpe . I ran it thru the chronograph out of my 1911 45 super and it registered 1523 fps . Holy smokes!!! I couldn't believe it so I shot 20 rounds to confirm and all of them hit over 1490 fps.. that is insane🤟😎👍❤🇺🇸
Stock spring for .45 ACP is 16 lbs.
18
@@fotispapadopoulos6933 depends on the designation
Hmmmmmm No thanks. 45 super needs a thicker walled bottom case. Trying this will at some point result in a catastrophic blowout of the bottom of the case and doesn't sound very fun. You could do this in a HK USP all day every day but a 1911 with the barrel not fully supporting the case and the cases being regular 45 cases? No bueno. But hey, if its workin for this guy okie dokie. I just wldnt try that one.
I’m well in to the thousands of them over going on 30 years now
Where can I buy your reloads(250 gr 45acp at 1200fps) Ill take 1000 rounds🤟😎👍
Why change the hammer?
Slide velocity ruined the MIM Kimber Hammer
Causes mim parts to crack you should do it to forged parts
Sounds like you're aware of the minimal mods that most people think are necessary - small-radius firing pin stop and heavier mainspring, which can be used regardless of load - so why not?
@@kimisdaman the radius firing pin retainer has shown me no value after several thousand rounds and 30 years.
I bought in at first based on design and observation of the guns requirements to unlock. In reality, I haven’t observed any benefit.
@@stuckcase7775 I have them in all of my guns, and find them very useful; the lighter the recoil spring, the better-handling the gun, and I can run springs 2#-6# lighter, depending on caliber, with the reduced-radius FPS.
jam a .45 win mag in there buddy
Wish I could
Get your thumb off the side of the frame where it doesn't belong. Your left thumb should be down not up on the frame. I have tried that grip and I cannot for the life of me understand why people try and use it. A little bit more of a weaver hold and you might be able to handle the recoil. You should not be shooting that load in that gun if you can't handle the recoil any better than that.
Thx for your expertise
The hold is generic for data purposes only
I’ve never pursued bullseye in a pistol
Makes no sense
Gun was designed for spitting distance use
Lotta info out there on how to be Rob Leatham
I’m not one of them
Never tried to be
Never will try
Thx
Wth is a round nose flat point bullet
@@josephcollins5695 exactly what it states
A round nosed ogive with a flat point
Nope. He's gonna have more than a "Stuck Case" problem using 45acp thin-walled brass for 45Super loads when the pressure is 20,000 psi higher
Opinion or experience
Keep reading your blogs
@@stuckcase7775 that's WHY there is 45Super brass
@@LarryeWhite61 I’m familiar with it and many variations
Good ol ACP brass gets it done too
Have done it by the thousands to date
@@stuckcase7775 load 9mm +p+ into an off shelf 9mm brass lmk how it goes
@@hondaservicecenter I won’t
Not my fav cartridge to mess with
The reason why you are having so many problems with jamming is your grip. Stop pointing your thumb forward and tuck it in!
I have zero malfunctions over 30 years with that grip anywhere but the bench
Good luck friend
All well and good but the 45ACP was designed to penetrate more at lower velocities. These lower velocities not only are better at shocking / dropping your target but will also prolong the life of your pistol and be less of a problem to unintended targets in the next rooms over. We're always trying to improve things that have been tested for years by armed forces ordnance experts for our troops. This is generslly pointless. If you want severe speed for using hard casts on grizzlies switch to 10mm.
@@Phillip-w2g good round with its own merits