Would you consider doing the Catherine de Medici Time Travel Society logo as a sew-on patch? Already have enough clothing but would love a sew-on patch that could be added to existing attire and objects.
Dear Abby: I LOVE all of your (collective) work! I am a life-long costume historienne (!). Now, unfortunately, I have some bad news. Many of the Archives Majors in many universities have been DROPPED. One of the best was at Western Washington University (headed by the former Archivist of the US). Now, that was @ 25 years ago, where a thesis was done on the importance of digitization. By @ 2000, the process of digitizing the National Archives was begun, however by @ 2006 it was abandoned for a number of (thin) reasons. The same is true to the best of my knowledge of the Smithsonian. SO MUCH is being lost, and in fact the job title of Archivist is becoming a thing of the past. (Probably how "Weird History" gets away with so much. Thanks for helping to set a few things straight!
Merlin is one of those that is highly fictionalized. Merlin as most people think of, King Arthur story, Wizard/Sorcerer/Alchemist is definitely false. When you get into Druidry, Merlin is a big part of their fabric of faith. He may have existed in some form as an apothecary in the druidic ways, as like a religious figure. I am not druidic, but just that is what I have learned in what little I have dabbled into the learnings/teachings of Druidry. However, there is a lot of history and such missing about Druidry because of things like Christianity, natural disasters and elements of that sort that have been lost and some are trying to piece the old world druidic arts back together, where others are in druidry forging ahead anew as a all new form of druidry. Just my thoughts and knowledge on it.
Have to be careful here not to stumble stating false absolutes here as well. When the Romans invaded what we now know as Britain, they pushed forward this idea that the land was full of savages that needed to civilised. This included an attempt to destroy any evidence that showed otherwise. For this reason, studying pre-Roman Celtic history is a hard task with sadly most of the surviving sources being folklore stories which clearly embellished characters and events. So as has been stated before, we know Merlin existed as a respected man of power - however sadly we will likely never knew his full life and impact he had on the land.
The Merlin that we think of today is actually a composite character of what are believed to be two historic figures, 'Myrddin Wyllt' (Merlin the Wild) and Emrys Wledig (Aurelius Ambrosius), a Romano-British war leader from the 5th Century, put together by Geoffrey of Monmouth in the 12th century. "Myrddin Wyllt" or Merlin the Wild, a sixth century poet is believed to have gone mad and gained the power of prophesy after witnessing the death of his lord Gwenddoleu in the battle of Arfderydd and, although this is a traditional Celtic theme, it is rooted in real historic battles and war leaders in what was known as 'Yr Hen Ogledd' or the Old North, which is now North West England and South West Scotland. Unpicking historical facts from legend and myth is difficult in this time period, but it is interesting that a bardic tradition, found in many Middle Welsh poems, has been built using Merlin as a prophetical literary tool. The first mention of Myrddin Wyllt that we know of is in a 10th Century poem called Armes Prydein in The Book of Taliesin. Whether Melin prophesized about Joan of Arc though, I have no idea, I only did a small amount of early Welsh poetry for my A levels, but taking Weird History's video on corsets as a benchmark, I'm dubious.
I remember that too. Is it the articles of when trains were first used and the different rumours of it spread? Like people would go insane if they rode trains or something.
Fainting in historical literature reminds me of those over the top nosebleeds portrayed in anime. Will historians of the future look back and say "Ah yes, boys and men used to have such elevated blood pressure from drinking caffeine that they would have frequent nosebleeds, but we know better than that now."
THANK YOU! I have endometriosis (which, granted, by no means makes me an expert) and when I heard that in the video I was like “…I don’t even know what to say…”
I graduated from design high school. I learned about corsets. How corsets are torture devices for royalty women. Watching your channels I learned there was more than one type of corset.
I thought fainting was established to be performative femininity bc they could express distress, fatigue, flirtation, passion, exasperation in an accepted "dainty" or "ladylike" way without being deemed hysterical. Like it was an accepted alternative...
I imagine that fainting could be used in many ways. It reminds me of how modern women sort of have "permission" to actually be rude or angry during our periods, because obviously we couldn't have legit reasons to be angry, but our broken bodies make us unable to control ourselves. 🙄
Okay, so Bernadette's comment about how the general history videos do more harm than good is just fire, as an archaeologist who sees the stupid general history videos, just thank you Bernadette 🙏👏
@@emilybischoff7602 umm well I really enjoy learning about different periods in time, but A LOT of the channels that come up on youtube seem... Questionable? I'd love to learn more about different archeological finds, and the history of those finds, and like the history of archeology? Okay maybe that a lot, sorry😅 but just stuff that is well sourced or accurate basically
@@ebcwhite lol no worries 😊 well there are actually several channels and videos that i could recommend, but that would make this comment a novel. What i will say is when you get a hankering for a particular question about a particular time or place, google which universities are doing that research and usually they will have a channel (not a very popular channel) but then you can be assured that the research is well done. Or find the one archaeologist or historian who is best known for that time period or place and google interviews with them (ex. Mary Beard for Greek and Roman). If you are just starting out and have no idea what really interests you i would say look at the British Museum's series on TH-cam called curators corner. Each episode they take a curator from a different department (they have a department devoted only to clocks. Clocks.) And that curator explains the history behind one of their favorite objects in under their care. Finally the one channel i would suggest is Rachelamun she is a commerical archaeologist in the UK and she does all kinds of videos about her work. Mostly just make sure that you hear people credentials and who they're doing their research for. Basically if they don't announce some kind of title be very suspicious of their research. Sorry for the novel 🤪 hope this helps!
"You can have your uterus fall out from tilting your body" I am WHEEZING how hard was it to become a doctor in the 19th century- seems like you just grab a jar of formaldehyde and then you go "hello I am a doctor"
Apparently in the early 1900s, there was some kerfluffle among doctors when the first attempts to set up nursing programs in universities. Apparently the year-long proposed program was deemed too long, because doctors only had to undergo 2 years of schooling at the time, and we don't want those nurses thinking they're almost as good as doctors... Apologies, I don't have a citation because it's been a couple years since I read the original article.
I have narcolepsy and I experience cataplexy, which on the outside can look like fainting even though I’m fully conscious. The funniest part is that it IS often triggered by strong emotions 😭😭😭
This is how my Fashion History and Trends COLLEGE CLASS is feeling rn... the teacher knows that a pair of bodies, stays, and corsets are different and from different time periods, but apparently students DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT because it's "too complicated" and "for some people this is the first time they've seen the corset and the last time they will see it and remember it" and she doesn't wanna "confuse" them with "too much terminology". like.....????? THIS IS A FASHION HISTORY CLASS! That calls everything 1500's on a corset!! THAT's what'll be confusing if any of these students actually want to continue learning about fashion history!
There is also no better way to remember something that’s a total surprise. I will NEVER forget imaginary numbers in maths! For years we get “no square roots for negative numbers “ and then “zykes! fooled ya! we do have those , just in another set!” Starting a lesson with “everything you know about a corset is a lie” would be a banger
Anyone notice the extremely historically accurate bit from Cinderella at 13:20? Because a Disney movie is definitely what you want to use as a reputable source.
I think that’s going to be the next series of Doctor Who. Instead of saving worlds, Catherine will go around handing out anachronistic items of clothing.
I'm just going to blame Catherine Demedici for everything now. What killed the dinosaurs? CATHERINE DEMEDICI! Pompeii? CATHERINE DEMEDICI! Titanic? SAY IT WITH ME FRIENDS- Equally as ridiculous as Weird History's nonsense. 😂
I love how everyone says "Catherine Demedici" despite the fact the actual woman that they're loosely basing these stories on was actually "Catherine de Medici" and now I'm feeling like I missed a joke somewhere along the lines and I'm scared
My mom and I were recently talking about historical fashion and she was about to mention how corsets were horrible and I felt so proud of myself when I corrected her
pls one of my moms friends asked me ab my interests and when i said fashion history she was like “even those awful corsets?” and that got me started on a whole ass essay 😭
What we got here is a great gathering of educated women giving us the goods and lolz and I am here for it. But can we all appreciate the multiple camera angles that pushes the visual interest over the top on what could have just been us watching a zoom hangouts of smart women??? I'm always here for that extra effort that Abby takes to makes her videos more stimulating. Nice work!
I loved that they not only showed - as Bernadette put it - one of the most iconic silhouettes of the Edwardian Era to signify "the 16th century" but also A PHOTOGRAPH OF IT. GUUUUUUUURL
They also chose to include a photo of Mr. Peal, a French corsetiere from this century who's alive and well, while talking about a male's review on corsets in 1867 😩
This has the same energy as me watching a badly costumed period movie with my mother, who got her costume design degree with a focus on historical dress.
Nicole's rant about uterus strings made me think of Jessica Kellgren-Fozard's recent video on the history of hysteria and how any medical issue that a doctor couldn't diagnose for a woman was blamed on her "wandering womb" or something similar for basically all of history
I haven't seen Jessica's rant... yet... but I did know about the finger pointing at women's uteruses... (uteri? Uterus? What is this plural?) And I find it utterly ridiculous. The idea nowadays is completely unfathomable.
I totally agree with Bernadette at 4:50. I'm really tired of being talked down to in the name of general history because we are the perceived ignorant audience. The whole reason most people watch historical type videos is because they want to learn, understand, and be freed from their ignorance. I think it's a disservice to audiences everywhere to put generalized, unsourced "information" in their content to fill time.
As a former history student, I cannot agree more and be any more happier to see that more and more people are so demanding of quality content about history. I feel like there are more and more people interested enought in the kind of sourced, nuanced content she speaks of to (slowly) influence the youtubers and other video-makers to be more careful and produce better content. When I started studying history only six years ago, such demands were quite rare (or I, at least, didn't see much of them outside of other students), and I feel we are growing more conscious of what kind of content we want to watch. I am so so happy that people who are not making history their main occupation are more and more demanding of quality content.
@@zmeikailievna6568 I think the educational community on TH-cam have played an important role in that development, by making it more normal to show the sources, sometimes by just saying that the sources can be found in the video description, but also by showing on-screen either the full citation or a numbered note like this: [1].
@@ragnkja Yes ! There is a virtuous circle of some creators (like Bernadette for exemple) doing it, so people show interst in it and start to demand sources from other video makers, so more do it, so more people ask for it, and slowly we are growing accustomed to it and question people who are not doing it. It's a really cool dynamic of spreading knowledges and how those knowledges are made, questionned, etc. I think it is some of the more positives changes about sharing knowledges that happened in the last decade.
It's a testament to how much I've learned from all you guys that I was able to correctly identify most of the time periods the images were from, and go "say what now?" when the time period given was complete and utter bullshit. Thank you for another hilarious and educational video!
I have learned waaaay more about history from these ladies than I ever did in school. And apparently all you can learn from the "history" Channel is that historically people wore clothing
My favourite was the 1960s photo posing as 1920s because I imagine they just found a black and white photo of women without corsets and were like, yeah, that'll do.
@@laurenlaker Damn right. The only things I got about clothing from college history courses were 1/Corsets were used to oppress and control women and 2) the 'Flapper' dress was a symbol of feminine rebellion in the post WWI era. Thank gawd for the SCA and costume history TH-cam.
Abby's fabulous dress history video essays: $$$$ Abby, Nicole, Samantha, Karolina and Bernadette roasting psuedohistorical dress history videos: priceless
Okay so, I'm an archaeology student. I've done some research into ancient Greek dress. The dresses were mostly rectangles that were draped around the body and sometimes held with a belt. There was no clinching, no very tight belts etc. IT WAS NOT A THING!
I think what the original video might be reffering to is the Minoan civilisation, the people that inhabited the island Crete in the Bronze Age. In their art, Minoan men and women are almost always depicted as having cinched waists. Also, the narrator just calls them Ancient Greeks which couldn't be more false. Minoans predate even the ancestors of the Ancient Greeks, the Mycenaens.
@@zenobiaosipova I agree, since they used minoan sculpture as an example. But the fact that they extrapolated from "they used an exaggerated way to depict humans" to "all people definitely looked like this and they definitely used corset like belts" is just ridiculous.
@@sarahk8053 Yeah it's just lies at this point. Also, I highly reccomend looking more into the Minoans. They're really fascinating and a little bit mysterious. Most of our knowledge about them comes from their ruins. This is a really good video on their fashion: th-cam.com/video/OcrV5hc5k3U/w-d-xo.html
Without even going about the cultural mishap... To me it looks like very attractive-coded women (as they tend to be represented in more eastern cultures) wearing fitting clothes... Do the "researcher" of the video think Hindu naked/barely clothed statues representing very... fit goddesses are representing women with under-skin corsetery? Or that no culture ever created or imagined close-fitting clothing?
i have been personally victimised by that representation of minoan votives as wearing corsetry because the full breast and nipped in waist was an artistic convention of bronze age frescoes in the cycladic and cretan areas. this exaggerated body shape is still visible when there is nothing around the waist, such as the kneeling woman from hagia triada and on a girl clad only in a sheer robe in the house of the ladies at akrotiri, as well as in glyptic and on other votaries. this body shape is further highlighted by clothing that would have been sheer and very finely woven. thank you for coming to my unexpected ted talk.
@@InFondRemembrance i can somewhat accept that, as greece does claim the minoans as ancestors, as seen in the opening parade when the olympics were in athens, and geographically it is true. which is just a convoluted way of saying that i'm ignoring that part for my health.
@@labyinthoiospotnia "ignoring that part for my health" - I felt this so hard! 😂 I'm gonna use that phrasing for sure next time I need to do it, I love it 😂
As I said in a previous comment the imagery is really common across many cultures as is...big ol erections or door knocker penis/testicled male deities. The genitalia is often half the body size of the statues. Nobody thinks penis’ have drastically shrunk in the last few thousand years though.
I have seen a documentary about Spartan and Minoan women where this archeologist had a model done up like the paintings. I'm torn because extreme makeup looks did exist but so did artistic stylization. Red circles on the cheeks don't literally have to be red circles irl.
Hello, Greek here. You are right about those statues. Those were Mycenaean Greek statuettes and because very few artifacts survived from that time, and we cannot be sure exactly, it is generally agreed that these are statuettes of the main Goddess "Potnia" meaning "The respected one" and her Priestesses. I do not know what they were smoking because there was no structure. The were very much topless. In Ancient Greece it is customary to see very thin waist in conjunction to exaggerated breasts and hips in female figures, since they have some kind of fertility or motherly aspect to them. It is kind of the "ideal" figure as seen in in the figure of the Goddess.
One of my friends has a fainting disorder and spinal problems. I helped introduce her to the wonderful world of corsets, and she's found that wearing her corset helps her tremendously with her back pain and doesn't have any negative impact on her fainting disorder (idk if it has helped that any or if it has just remained the same).
y'all should just do like a round-table monthly reaction/discussion video series with historical dress mythbusting (from videos like weird history's) and just call yourselves "the traveling catherine society"... it would be a riot every time 😂
So, if Catherine de Medici is a time traveller... And Karolina is an immortal being... ...is Karolina actually Catherine de Medici with an accent disguise? Honestly though, this was amazing!
Absolute masterpiece. I love how Bernadette remained so calm and reasonable while everyone else lost it. It always helps to have that one sane person in a group. XD
It's because she learned to keep a straight face while her bosses spouted this nonsense. (Lol, idk if they actually were like that... but she said she had some opinions when she did stage costuming)
Or, consider: the other people were right to lose their shit, because it is horrible, and Bernadette is the not-sane one because she has seen too many things and her ability to keep her calm has become superhuman
And, from the little I've seen of the snipet Karolina used in one of her videos (didn't see the actual movie)... That lady seems actually liek a tight-lacing aficionado, ordering her handmaid to lace tighter multiple times. To me the scene implies that she is exceptionally attentive to her figure, kinds goes against the use to illustrate the "trend"
@@NWolfsson It's one of the evil stepsisters getting ready for the ball in honor of the prince, and she orders Cinderalla to lace her as tight as possible to get an impressive figure. Definitely not the person to follow! (Also ironic considered the commotion around Lily James who had a very, very small waist in that film; cue the cries about the evil of tightlacing once again...)
I had a thought about the fainting thing. I used to be in choir and before every choir concert our teacher would give a long speech about how to avoid fainting on stage. Yet every year, without fail, at least one person (usually a tenor, sometimes a baritone) would pass out during a concert. Corsets obviously had nothing to do with it, it was because they stood in a hot crowd of bodies with bright lights shining in their face and locked their knees
I laughed so much at this video it made my uterus fall out! Luckily, Catherine de'Medici suddenly appeared with alien medical technology she discovered in the 23rd century and replaced it for me 💚
As a medieval historian this is me trying to watch any medieval anything. I'm either laughing or yelling at the screen lol! This was wonderful to watch!
They should call it “A meeting of the Ladies Hysterical Society”. Meant to discuss any and all ridiculous reference to historical dress and customs. Dedicated to poking fun at all the absurd “facts” out there regarding ye olde customs of attire for women. And causing much mirth and discussion amongst the following.
Yes this was so funny, I should have had a glass of wine next to me! I would love to go on a night out with that lot even though I am old enough to be their mother!
As a corset wearer since my teens, I can say that it's possible for people with certain medical conditions to faint from lacing corsets too tightly. And I say say this with the full acknowledgement that fainting as a socially acceptable form of performative feminine expression was practiced in the 19th century, so most swooning ladies were not suffering physically from their garments. I have POTS syndrome, which affects circulation, heart rate, & causes sudden changes in blood pressure. I can't lace down on days when I'm having a flare up or I will get lightheaded & pass out because all my blood stays down in my legs. HOWEVER, I can still wear corsets laced to my natural waist measurement without a problem, which is what the vast majority of historical women did. Tightlacing was never a common practice, the correct torso shape was the goal, not waist size.
“ Traditional art history. Which is a circle jerk of men.” Omg I love this. The whole reaction. I wear corsets, that I use for both my back and tight-lacing. I have worked in them, run around in them and felt very comfortable in them in everyday ware. It is different but so is getting use to any Thank you.
18:36 "If you change your perspective on the past, it changes your perspective on the present, dramatically." Spot on! That's one of the reasons I love delving into textiles and their use throughout history. I learn about so much more than if I only looked at history books.
Not to mention that when they mentioned the Austrian Boarding School and showed the rather dapper gentleman wearing a very tight corset(12:15), that is Mr. Pearl, a famous corset maker of the modern era.
I was at a small exhibition yesterday of 1880s (mostly) clothes including a very patched corset... another visitor commented to me "I don't know why women even wore corsets!" I embarrassed my husband by turning to her and asking, "Do you wear a bra every day?"
If we turned every time they mismatch a date with an image into a drinking game, I'd be pass-out drunk from this reaction video alone. I can't imagine what the original video is like.
This is like the Dress Historian/Historical Costumer Avengers and I’m loving it. Also, the fact that everyone’s brain exploded when the narrator said “and tusks.”
@@MissMagic There actually are whales with tusks! Narwhals, like @Tony Groves mentioned, but also an entire family called the beaked whales whose males have tusks. There's even an extinct dolphin, called Odobenocetops, which had paired tusks just like a walrus.
At 5:15 I'm thinking "wait... They had fetishes back then?!?" Then I facepalmed because... Of course they did. Humans are humans are humans, and there's always going to be people turned on by things that aren't mainstream
I love how when Abby's distressed, her fur babies try to distract her and must be wrangled. Upon review, the fur baby is mainly comforting Nicole. But my point stands!
Catherine de' Medici is somewhere, forehead resting in the palm of her hand listening to that narrator, shaking her head in historical defeat. Than she watches your critique and smiles while under her breath of renewed hope utters, ".....bars..."
Literally got up half way through this video and popped a Champaign cork. I want to see this end of this video but I also need a little frosting to absorb this bullshit. Thank you all for being the video that I would need to cope with this blatant disrespect of history.
When he said that corsets were made with whalebone and "tusks" I didn't immediately think of like elephants but of wild boars (because where I live we actually have those) and was wondering for a moment how you would make a corset with those because they couldn't possibly be long enough until you guys said ivory and then I was like ooooh elephant hunting was a thing.....
i thought of walruses and the thought of victorian noblewomen flinging themselves into the icy sea to hunt walruses for corset boning will never fail to send me
Okay but even then Ivory was expensive as fuck, how did he not stop to think for one sec “how working class women would afford a corset made with ivory?”
my favorite nonsense about the uterus: the wandering uterus that had to be lured back into place with honey held before the vagina (because it can smell?!) and led to the term "honeypot" as a vaginal euphemism.
Can we like... I mean... Did they really... yeah... There's this point of dismay where Nicole just stops caring and gazes out the window in a futile attempt to save her sanity. I really felt her there.
Having just done tons of research and writing about 1960s fashion, seeing a 60s photo being used to talk about the 20s I almost died on the spot- how in the world did the editors think that was okay??
As a woman studying art history with majority of my classmates being female. I was laughing really hard when you mentioned art history. 😂 From what I've seen for example in historic preservation the proportion between female and male employees is pretty balanced. Many people looks down on me, when they ask what I'm studying. I could only imagine what would they think if I was studying dress history, I think most people in my country don't even think it's something different.
Underrated comment! Honestly, their misandry is a bit of a bummer, as I am sure the misinformed modern men regurgitating these errors likely have the exact same politics and ethics as the women here.
@@thehussarsjacobitess85 won't somebody think of the men!! I bet they feel just awful after calling women unthinking, vanity driven creatures for the past thousands of years and it's now the same thing as misogyny because they got made fun of on the internet!
I just watched a Jessica Kellgren-Fozard video on “medical hysteria” and there’s some fascinating overlap! Men blame(d) uteruses for all kinds of crazy junk!
Nothing is more amazing and amusing that watch a group of intelligent, professional women debunking history myths mostly spread by men who liked to think that, like Nicole said, women were just "silly vain creatures". Loved this video so much!!
It's really terrible when in an academic exposition these myths still peddled as fact. Had the displeasure of attending such a conference. It felt decades out of sync. Thank you for your work!
This was like a game of historic mad lib. Like I recognize those pictures but someone has used fill in the blank info... Also who else was waiting for Abby to come back in a corset with snacks down the front when she disappeared after saying it?
As a singer, I've always loved singing in a corset for exactly the same reason Bernadette mentions around the 17 min mark - the resistance! Giving something to push against actually helps be breath better and with more engagement. I think it's fair to say that singing requires even more breath than regular activity and I've never had issues with the undergarments under period costumes.
"it's like they had a downloaded folder with all the imagery and they just threw it all on the timeline while editing" from watching the original video for context, it seems like that's exactly what they did 🤦♀️
Thank you guys for doing what you do, whether it is "Academically Salty" video essays or roasting ridiculous bs (and then breaking down WHY it is important to roast it, it's not just for the lolz, roasting has an important purpose!). Y'all are a big inspiration for my chosen area of study (archiving with a focus in using digitalization to improve accessibility).
I ADORE this format. It's gotta be the next step in the "expert reacts to their field of study in film and TV" format - multiple experts who react as a group and make jokes inbetween explaining things.
Probably the worst part of the misinformation about Corsets is that I was literally taught that corsets were horrible, forced on women by society in Elementary school when we learned about women's rights.
I’ve seen weird history do stuff like this with other videos. I’ve seen them use WW1 photos to describe WW2 and vise versa. I’ve also seen them use photos of the Holocaust for a Soviet gulag video. That’s just to name a few examples.
This is so good. I make a cup of tea, grabbed some biscuits, and put this on the telly. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would welcome more of this style of content, when you can find time to coordinate everyone again.
Does anyone else wanna see MamaDoctorJones react to the faulty uterus biology starting at 9:00 ?? I'm dying. Human's can be so smart and so dumb at the same time.
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Would you consider doing the Catherine de Medici Time Travel Society logo as a sew-on patch? Already have enough clothing but would love a sew-on patch that could be added to existing attire and objects.
Is there a possibility you're turning it into a sticker so I can decorate my time machine (aka sewing machine)?
@@cratageusoxyacantha3299 great idea too. Or pin.
Dear Abby: I LOVE all of your (collective) work! I am a life-long costume historienne (!). Now, unfortunately, I have some bad news. Many of the Archives Majors in many universities have been DROPPED. One of the best was at Western Washington University (headed by the former Archivist of the US). Now, that was @ 25 years ago, where a thesis was done on the importance of digitization. By @ 2000, the process of digitizing the National Archives was begun, however by @ 2006 it was abandoned for a number of (thin) reasons. The same is true to the best of my knowledge of the Smithsonian. SO MUCH is being lost, and in fact the job title of Archivist is becoming a thing of the past. (Probably how "Weird History" gets away with so much. Thanks for helping to set a few things straight!
Totes (haha) buying a mug and tote! Thanks for the additional link!!
Weird History once claimed that Joan of Arc was predicted by Merlin.
Merlin, who does not exist.
😂🤣😂🤣
Merlin is one of those that is highly fictionalized. Merlin as most people think of, King Arthur story, Wizard/Sorcerer/Alchemist is definitely false. When you get into Druidry, Merlin is a big part of their fabric of faith. He may have existed in some form as an apothecary in the druidic ways, as like a religious figure. I am not druidic, but just that is what I have learned in what little I have dabbled into the learnings/teachings of Druidry. However, there is a lot of history and such missing about Druidry because of things like Christianity, natural disasters and elements of that sort that have been lost and some are trying to piece the old world druidic arts back together, where others are in druidry forging ahead anew as a all new form of druidry. Just my thoughts and knowledge on it.
What are you talking about Merlin the magical apparent failed attempt at antichrist wizard is 100% completely, totally real
Have to be careful here not to stumble stating false absolutes here as well.
When the Romans invaded what we now know as Britain, they pushed forward this idea that the land was full of savages that needed to civilised. This included an attempt to destroy any evidence that showed otherwise. For this reason, studying pre-Roman Celtic history is a hard task with sadly most of the surviving sources being folklore stories which clearly embellished characters and events. So as has been stated before, we know Merlin existed as a respected man of power - however sadly we will likely never knew his full life and impact he had on the land.
The Merlin that we think of today is actually a composite character of what are believed to be two historic figures, 'Myrddin Wyllt' (Merlin the Wild) and Emrys Wledig (Aurelius Ambrosius), a Romano-British war leader from the 5th Century, put together by Geoffrey of Monmouth in the 12th century. "Myrddin Wyllt" or Merlin the Wild, a sixth century poet is believed to have gone mad and gained the power of prophesy after witnessing the death of his lord Gwenddoleu in the battle of Arfderydd and, although this is a traditional Celtic theme, it is rooted in real historic battles and war leaders in what was known as 'Yr Hen Ogledd' or the Old North, which is now North West England and South West Scotland. Unpicking historical facts from legend and myth is difficult in this time period, but it is interesting that a bardic tradition, found in many Middle Welsh poems, has been built using Merlin as a prophetical literary tool. The first mention of Myrddin Wyllt that we know of is in a 10th Century poem called Armes Prydein in The Book of Taliesin. Whether Melin prophesized about Joan of Arc though, I have no idea, I only did a small amount of early Welsh poetry for my A levels, but taking Weird History's video on corsets as a benchmark, I'm dubious.
Not even Avengers endgame had such an ambitious crossover
I was looking for this comment, glad my search didn't disappoint ❤️
I'm disappointed that Izabela from Prior Attire wasn't included.
I thought of her also. @@astrinymris9953
Of course not. That wasn't even really a crossover. This most definitely is.
How true you are
Reminds me of something I found:
"Women were not allowed to get on trains because their uterus would fly off because of the high speed."
Nooooooo who said that?!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 where was that? I want to read it! It's been pretty hard to find such pure comedy amidst a pandemic
Sorry guys I don't remember where I read it, that was around a year ago :v
I just got rid of mine because I like to travel . . .
I remember that too. Is it the articles of when trains were first used and the different rumours of it spread? Like people would go insane if they rode trains or something.
Fainting in historical literature reminds me of those over the top nosebleeds portrayed in anime. Will historians of the future look back and say "Ah yes, boys and men used to have such elevated blood pressure from drinking caffeine that they would have frequent nosebleeds, but we know better than that now."
😂it made me so happy to see I wasn't the only thinking of this
*frequent geyser nosebleeds
I'm happy I wasn't the only to think this
This is a fantastic comparison
Honestly? I hope so.
"She SLAYED this era. Would love to see her in other eras."
I am deceased
hello deceased ^_^
So is Catherine de Medici 🤭 they butchered her in this "mock-umentary
In 1830 Catherine De Medici instituted the Uterus String Protection Act which dictated that all corsets be reinforced with dinosaur bone...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Ok, but now I need the Uterus String Protection Act merch.
So now we know the real reason dinosaurs became extinct.
I love Catherine de' Medici, even at 311 years old she was still really progressive. I can't say that about many other people throughout history
Indeed I did
Actual medical doctor here. Endometriosis is not caused by corset wear. XD XD XD
🤯🤯🤯🤯😂🤣😂
Or tight jeans for that matter, right?
We fucking love ya girl
THANK YOU! I have endometriosis (which, granted, by no means makes me an expert) and when I heard that in the video I was like “…I don’t even know what to say…”
Lol yep I have endo and never wore a corset.
oh man that intro is 💯👌🏻😂
I channeled all that Monty python I watched as a teenager 😂🤣
Too obvi to state that man as narrator is tone deaf
If this was a series on the History Channel I'd un-cut my cable.
I think the outtakes are the best part though.
I graduated from design high school. I learned about corsets. How corsets are torture devices for royalty women. Watching your channels I learned there was more than one type of corset.
“Banned women with thick waists” imagine your king being like, “if you are over my limit then you’re too thicc for court.”
WTF old-timey "no fat chicks"
Love your profile pic ;)
@@payita6931 thanks, you too
Well hello fellow She-ra stans
@@alvendallama5413 hello there :)
If you all ever do a _Catherine de Medici Through the Ages_ time traveller series, I nominate Karolina to act as Catherine!
I think Bernadette would be cool as well. They are both time travelers! also, they have similar face shapes
I have never seen Bernadette act before, but Karolina has done some really funny skits.
@@AshHeaven i think Bernadette would do it cause Karolina would direct it! But yeah, i dunno if Bernadette can actually act lol
I think Abby's done skits too. I can't decide!
I am TOTALLY here for that!
“We did not choose violence, violence chose us”
Well I found my senior quote.
Perfection
“Ladies, do we choose violence today?”
*the way adrenaline coursed through my veins*
Thank God, they didn’t throw themselves in front of any horses 🎩
I was really expecting Abby to introduce Nicole as her Partner in Crime, because it's the Truth!
"Violence Chose us" "We have no option at this point" I love these ladies.
I thought she said violins.... I WAS SO CONFUSED!!!
me too even tho i’m enby
Ahh I hate it when my uterus falls out :/:/
I just stuff mine in my pocket when that happens....so embarrassing.
Same. It is so annoying and embarrassing.🙄😑😔
I just wear my open-crotch combinations when mine dangles outside my body. Gets a good airing, that way.
@@elfieblue3175 🤣🤣🤣
It always happens at the worst times too!! Like at work.. at school... it’s so embarrassing!!!
I thought fainting was established to be performative femininity bc they could express distress, fatigue, flirtation, passion, exasperation in an accepted "dainty" or "ladylike" way without being deemed hysterical. Like it was an accepted alternative...
Reminds me of Overly Sarcastic Production's video on Dracula with the line 'Lucy is sick and not sexy sick.'
I always thought of it as a woman using fainting as an excuse to get away from an unwanted suitor
I think Karen behavior has been around for a long, long time.
@@unapologeticanti-feminist3205 cope
I imagine that fainting could be used in many ways. It reminds me of how modern women sort of have "permission" to actually be rude or angry during our periods, because obviously we couldn't have legit reasons to be angry, but our broken bodies make us unable to control ourselves. 🙄
Okay, so Bernadette's comment about how the general history videos do more harm than good is just fire, as an archaeologist who sees the stupid general history videos, just thank you Bernadette 🙏👏
Do you have any good recommendations for good Archeological videos?
Her whole comments about the importance of information literacy are perfect!
@@ebcwhite well what are you looking for? Videos about Archaeological finds or how archaeology works as a discipline? :)
@@emilybischoff7602 umm well I really enjoy learning about different periods in time, but A LOT of the channels that come up on youtube seem... Questionable? I'd love to learn more about different archeological finds, and the history of those finds, and like the history of archeology? Okay maybe that a lot, sorry😅 but just stuff that is well sourced or accurate basically
@@ebcwhite lol no worries 😊 well there are actually several channels and videos that i could recommend, but that would make this comment a novel. What i will say is when you get a hankering for a particular question about a particular time or place, google which universities are doing that research and usually they will have a channel (not a very popular channel) but then you can be assured that the research is well done. Or find the one archaeologist or historian who is best known for that time period or place and google interviews with them (ex. Mary Beard for Greek and Roman).
If you are just starting out and have no idea what really interests you i would say look at the British Museum's series on TH-cam called curators corner. Each episode they take a curator from a different department (they have a department devoted only to clocks. Clocks.) And that curator explains the history behind one of their favorite objects in under their care.
Finally the one channel i would suggest is Rachelamun she is a commerical archaeologist in the UK and she does all kinds of videos about her work.
Mostly just make sure that you hear people credentials and who they're doing their research for. Basically if they don't announce some kind of title be very suspicious of their research.
Sorry for the novel 🤪 hope this helps!
"...They were concerned your uterus wouldn't enough air" immediately imagines my uterus doing a sick kick flip.
"You can have your uterus fall out from tilting your body" I am WHEEZING how hard was it to become a doctor in the 19th century- seems like you just grab a jar of formaldehyde and then you go "hello I am a doctor"
Omg yes. And the fact that they quote C.J.Dickinson like he lived a hundred years ago, but OOPS🙃 study was published in 1999. Like what?
Apparently in the early 1900s, there was some kerfluffle among doctors when the first attempts to set up nursing programs in universities. Apparently the year-long proposed program was deemed too long, because doctors only had to undergo 2 years of schooling at the time, and we don't want those nurses thinking they're almost as good as doctors... Apologies, I don't have a citation because it's been a couple years since I read the original article.
that’s what hysteria was they literally said “ur acting Weird bc ur uterus is wandering around your body”
One of my *female* Health Class teachers said that this was something that happened. It took so much self restraint to not laugh at her face.
The fact these medical professionals were men not women.
When he said early corsets were reinforced with tusks, I got the image of entire tusks strapped on to a bunch of animal pelts à la the Flintstones.
Same! Glad it wasn’t just me 😂😂
YES!!!!!!!!
That would be a look!
Road Warrior Catherine de Medici
I imagined a whale with big walrus tusks skewering heartless whalers in an epic woodcut print.
I am a woman who faints regularly in the 21st century. Are they going to blame my socks? My bra? PS. I have low blood pressure.
Fellow potsie? Lol
@@lisasargent7111 shapewear / corsets actually help me with my pots 😂
I have narcolepsy and I experience cataplexy, which on the outside can look like fainting even though I’m fully conscious. The funniest part is that it IS often triggered by strong emotions 😭😭😭
This is how my Fashion History and Trends COLLEGE CLASS is feeling rn... the teacher knows that a pair of bodies, stays, and corsets are different and from different time periods, but apparently students DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT because it's "too complicated" and "for some people this is the first time they've seen the corset and the last time they will see it and remember it" and she doesn't wanna "confuse" them with "too much terminology". like.....????? THIS IS A FASHION HISTORY CLASS! That calls everything 1500's on a corset!! THAT's what'll be confusing if any of these students actually want to continue learning about fashion history!
There is also no better way to remember something that’s a total surprise. I will NEVER forget imaginary numbers in maths! For years we get “no square roots for negative numbers “ and then “zykes! fooled ya! we do have those , just in another set!”
Starting a lesson with “everything you know about a corset is a lie” would be a banger
When Abby said "We're all Banners" I swear the first thing that went through my head is that they are all Bernadette's children lol
Me too! lmao !
Hahahahaha😂😂😂 I thought among those same lines as well
I was thinking that they were all Bernadette lol
Anyone notice the extremely historically accurate bit from Cinderella at 13:20? Because a Disney movie is definitely what you want to use as a reputable source.
I noticed this and literally could not believe they saw that pic and decided yeah this is accurate information of cours
Yes! Because I can exactly say what era the film is supposed to be in from the dresses
I haven't noticed that until I read your comment. Hilarious! 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
Damn now I want stories about the time traveling adventures of Catherine Demedici
Karolina needs to make a skit for us all 😂🤣
Don’t we all?
I think that’s going to be the next series of Doctor Who. Instead of saving worlds, Catherine will go around handing out anachronistic items of clothing.
I'm just going to blame Catherine Demedici for everything now.
What killed the dinosaurs? CATHERINE DEMEDICI!
Pompeii? CATHERINE DEMEDICI!
Titanic? SAY IT WITH ME FRIENDS-
Equally as ridiculous as Weird History's nonsense. 😂
I love how everyone says "Catherine Demedici" despite the fact the actual woman that they're loosely basing these stories on was actually "Catherine de Medici" and now I'm feeling like I missed a joke somewhere along the lines and I'm scared
"She slayed in THAT era. I'd love to see her in other eras" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My mom and I were recently talking about historical fashion and she was about to mention how corsets were horrible and I felt so proud of myself when I corrected her
Did that with my Dad and it turned into a full-blown 3 hour screaming match... He HATES being corrected, especially by women.
@@fridaythevirgowitch Neuter him
@@fridaythevirgowitch he sounds like an asshole, I hope you can get away from there
pls one of my moms friends asked me ab my interests and when i said fashion history she was like “even those awful corsets?” and that got me started on a whole ass essay 😭
good for you, dork
What we got here is a great gathering of educated women giving us the goods and lolz and I am here for it. But can we all appreciate the multiple camera angles that pushes the visual interest over the top on what could have just been us watching a zoom hangouts of smart women??? I'm always here for that extra effort that Abby takes to makes her videos more stimulating. Nice work!
Amen!
Perfectly said
Abby is the BEST editor
Agree! Interesting discussion and visually engaging!!
we need this as a series or a podcast or something !
Abby asking in the most deadpan, professional voice "Ladies, do we choose violence today?" is officially my new mantra
And "Violence chose us." is how I complete it at the end of the day.
But then Bernadette says “yes we do, I believe we have no other choice but to choose violence today”
I loved that they not only showed - as Bernadette put it - one of the most iconic silhouettes of the Edwardian Era to signify "the 16th century" but also A PHOTOGRAPH OF IT. GUUUUUUUURL
They also chose to include a photo of Mr. Peal, a French corsetiere from this century who's alive and well, while talking about a male's review on corsets in 1867 😩
Cameras didn't even exist in the 16th century. lol
@@Shythalia Well... That YOU KNOW OF?! LOL
Just Kidding and staying withing the RIDICULOUSNESS of that so-called "HISTORIC" piece! :D
and talking about 1920s and showing instead photos from 1960s, which was not so long ago.... WTF ? You really don't have any general knowledge ?
This has the same energy as me watching a badly costumed period movie with my mother, who got her costume design degree with a focus on historical dress.
Good thing most of us watched this reaction instead of the Original Video
Sadly I watched the original first
I actually watched the Original Video first, to get my OWN reaction for comparison.
January 2022, and the reaction has nearly twice as many views as the original.
Nicole's rant about uterus strings made me think of Jessica Kellgren-Fozard's recent video on the history of hysteria and how any medical issue that a doctor couldn't diagnose for a woman was blamed on her "wandering womb" or something similar for basically all of history
That’s what I thought of! I just watched it the other day!
Another reason to just kick it out; since it's wandering and all . . .
Yay for coming across other people who watch Jessica!
I haven't seen Jessica's rant... yet... but I did know about the finger pointing at women's uteruses... (uteri? Uterus? What is this plural?)
And I find it utterly ridiculous. The idea nowadays is completely unfathomable.
Yes!
I totally agree with Bernadette at 4:50. I'm really tired of being talked down to in the name of general history because we are the perceived ignorant audience. The whole reason most people watch historical type videos is because they want to learn, understand, and be freed from their ignorance. I think it's a disservice to audiences everywhere to put generalized, unsourced "information" in their content to fill time.
Public history is so good and important and this shit is the literal opposite of all of that
Yes.
As a former history student, I cannot agree more and be any more happier to see that more and more people are so demanding of quality content about history. I feel like there are more and more people interested enought in the kind of sourced, nuanced content she speaks of to (slowly) influence the youtubers and other video-makers to be more careful and produce better content. When I started studying history only six years ago, such demands were quite rare (or I, at least, didn't see much of them outside of other students), and I feel we are growing more conscious of what kind of content we want to watch. I am so so happy that people who are not making history their main occupation are more and more demanding of quality content.
@@zmeikailievna6568
I think the educational community on TH-cam have played an important role in that development, by making it more normal to show the sources, sometimes by just saying that the sources can be found in the video description, but also by showing on-screen either the full citation or a numbered note like this: [1].
@@ragnkja Yes ! There is a virtuous circle of some creators (like Bernadette for exemple) doing it, so people show interst in it and start to demand sources from other video makers, so more do it, so more people ask for it, and slowly we are growing accustomed to it and question people who are not doing it. It's a really cool dynamic of spreading knowledges and how those knowledges are made, questionned, etc. I think it is some of the more positives changes about sharing knowledges that happened in the last decade.
It's a testament to how much I've learned from all you guys that I was able to correctly identify most of the time periods the images were from, and go "say what now?" when the time period given was complete and utter bullshit. Thank you for another hilarious and educational video!
The use of 19th century fashion plates while talking about the 16th century 😂
I have learned waaaay more about history from these ladies than I ever did in school. And apparently all you can learn from the "history" Channel is that historically people wore clothing
While I was not able to name everything, I could tell when something was wrong! They're so good
My favourite was the 1960s photo posing as 1920s because I imagine they just found a black and white photo of women without corsets and were like, yeah, that'll do.
@@laurenlaker Damn right. The only things I got about clothing from college history courses were 1/Corsets were used to oppress and control women and 2) the 'Flapper' dress was a symbol of feminine rebellion in the post WWI era. Thank gawd for the SCA and costume history TH-cam.
Abby's fabulous dress history video essays: $$$$ Abby, Nicole, Samantha, Karolina and Bernadette roasting psuedohistorical dress history videos: priceless
Okay so, I'm an archaeology student. I've done some research into ancient Greek dress. The dresses were mostly rectangles that were draped around the body and sometimes held with a belt. There was no clinching, no very tight belts etc. IT WAS NOT A THING!
I think what the original video might be reffering to is the Minoan civilisation, the people that inhabited the island Crete in the Bronze Age. In their art, Minoan men and women are almost always depicted as having cinched waists. Also, the narrator just calls them Ancient Greeks which couldn't be more false. Minoans predate even the ancestors of the Ancient Greeks, the Mycenaens.
@@zenobiaosipova I agree, since they used minoan sculpture as an example. But the fact that they extrapolated from "they used an exaggerated way to depict humans" to "all people definitely looked like this and they definitely used corset like belts" is just ridiculous.
@@sarahk8053 Yeah it's just lies at this point. Also, I highly reccomend looking more into the Minoans. They're really fascinating and a little bit mysterious. Most of our knowledge about them comes from their ruins. This is a really good video on their fashion: th-cam.com/video/OcrV5hc5k3U/w-d-xo.html
I feel anyone who had ever like,, reading a book on ancient greece would know this too?
Without even going about the cultural mishap... To me it looks like very attractive-coded women (as they tend to be represented in more eastern cultures) wearing fitting clothes... Do the "researcher" of the video think Hindu naked/barely clothed statues representing very... fit goddesses are representing women with under-skin corsetery? Or that no culture ever created or imagined close-fitting clothing?
i have been personally victimised by that representation of minoan votives as wearing corsetry because the full breast and nipped in waist was an artistic convention of bronze age frescoes in the cycladic and cretan areas. this exaggerated body shape is still visible when there is nothing around the waist, such as the kneeling woman from hagia triada and on a girl clad only in a sheer robe in the house of the ladies at akrotiri, as well as in glyptic and on other votaries. this body shape is further highlighted by clothing that would have been sheer and very finely woven. thank you for coming to my unexpected ted talk.
I'm pretty sure the voiceover identified them as Greek as well, which is...well, it's a choice.
@@InFondRemembrance i can somewhat accept that, as greece does claim the minoans as ancestors, as seen in the opening parade when the olympics were in athens, and geographically it is true. which is just a convoluted way of saying that i'm ignoring that part for my health.
@@labyinthoiospotnia "ignoring that part for my health" - I felt this so hard! 😂 I'm gonna use that phrasing for sure next time I need to do it, I love it 😂
As I said in a previous comment the imagery is really common across many cultures as is...big ol erections or door knocker penis/testicled male deities. The genitalia is often half the body size of the statues. Nobody thinks penis’ have drastically shrunk in the last few thousand years though.
I have seen a documentary about Spartan and Minoan women where this archeologist had a model done up like the paintings. I'm torn because extreme makeup looks did exist but so did artistic stylization. Red circles on the cheeks don't literally have to be red circles irl.
Hello, Greek here. You are right about those statues. Those were Mycenaean Greek statuettes and because very few artifacts survived from that time, and we cannot be sure exactly, it is generally agreed that these are statuettes of the main Goddess "Potnia" meaning "The respected one" and her Priestesses. I do not know what they were smoking because there was no structure. The were very much topless. In Ancient Greece it is customary to see very thin waist in conjunction to exaggerated breasts and hips in female figures, since they have some kind of fertility or motherly aspect to them. It is kind of the "ideal" figure as seen in in the figure of the Goddess.
One of my friends has a fainting disorder and spinal problems. I helped introduce her to the wonderful world of corsets, and she's found that wearing her corset helps her tremendously with her back pain and doesn't have any negative impact on her fainting disorder (idk if it has helped that any or if it has just remained the same).
y'all should just do like a round-table monthly reaction/discussion video series with historical dress mythbusting (from videos like weird history's) and just call yourselves "the traveling catherine society"... it would be a riot every time 😂
I agree wholeheartedly
Seconded!
PODCAST PODCAST PODCAST
Yes. But also ad Cheney Mcknight of @notyourmommahistory! If she wanted to, that is.
Please???
This is the dress history equivalent of How to Cook That taking down a viral cooking video
There is absolutely no reason that a crossover would happen between any of these ladies and Ann Reardon, but now I *want* *it*
It excites me to no end to see that someone who watches these ladies also is a fan of Anne's content. Squee!
What I got from this is Catherine de Medici was abducted by aliens and released in the 1830s to confuse the Avengers. I'm glad I learned a thing today
Karolina and Catherine are time traveling besties!
@@saccharineisnothoney and Bernadette
Don't expose her- she must complete her goal to get back to her own era-
So, if Catherine de Medici is a time traveller...
And Karolina is an immortal being...
...is Karolina actually Catherine de Medici with an accent disguise?
Honestly though, this was amazing!
Watch for her to slip up and say “i never wore that!”
Head canon accepted
Yes! And we all know Bernadette is immortal and actually Bertha Banner.
legend says, Karolina still believes she is called a "mean mom" by her meme children
Oh no!!
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Absolute masterpiece. I love how Bernadette remained so calm and reasonable while everyone else lost it. It always helps to have that one sane person in a group. XD
she’s internally dying
It's because she learned to keep a straight face while her bosses spouted this nonsense. (Lol, idk if they actually were like that... but she said she had some opinions when she did stage costuming)
then you watch the last minute of the video and think "oh.... nah she's just quiet"
Or, consider: the other people were right to lose their shit, because it is horrible, and Bernadette is the not-sane one because she has seen too many things and her ability to keep her calm has become superhuman
She lost it a little bit during the uterus rant
Ladies, you all deserve medals for your service. And ALL the adult beverages of your choice. That video is a disaster.
I love that "real historical illustration" which was a screenshot from liveaction Cinderella at 13:20
I thought that looked familiar, but couldn't place it... well spotted!
Yes! The absolutely factual historical documentary..... Cinderella. :p
And, from the little I've seen of the snipet Karolina used in one of her videos (didn't see the actual movie)... That lady seems actually liek a tight-lacing aficionado, ordering her handmaid to lace tighter multiple times. To me the scene implies that she is exceptionally attentive to her figure, kinds goes against the use to illustrate the "trend"
@@NWolfsson It's one of the evil stepsisters getting ready for the ball in honor of the prince, and she orders Cinderalla to lace her as tight as possible to get an impressive figure. Definitely not the person to follow!
(Also ironic considered the commotion around Lily James who had a very, very small waist in that film; cue the cries about the evil of tightlacing once again...)
Please tell me your joking 😂😂 they seriously chose a Disney movie 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I had a thought about the fainting thing. I used to be in choir and before every choir concert our teacher would give a long speech about how to avoid fainting on stage. Yet every year, without fail, at least one person (usually a tenor, sometimes a baritone) would pass out during a concert. Corsets obviously had nothing to do with it, it was because they stood in a hot crowd of bodies with bright lights shining in their face and locked their knees
omg I was the kid who fainted during a choir performance lol. It was exactly that 😂
@@shawnalynn5198 my mom was a choir kid and dealt with people fainting and having to dodge falling children.
I laughed so much at this video it made my uterus fall out! Luckily, Catherine de'Medici suddenly appeared with alien medical technology she discovered in the 23rd century and replaced it for me 💚
As a medieval historian this is me trying to watch any medieval anything. I'm either laughing or yelling at the screen lol! This was wonderful to watch!
You probably have already heard of it but the Metatron focuses on Rome and medieval Italy if that’s what you research
I formally submit a request for more videos like this. I haven't laughed this hard in years
They should call it “A meeting of the Ladies Hysterical Society”. Meant to discuss any and all ridiculous reference to historical dress and customs. Dedicated to poking fun at all the absurd “facts” out there regarding ye olde customs of attire for women. And causing much mirth and discussion amongst the following.
Backing this request.
Yess
@@sveapollock2537 Oh, this is a brilliant title! I want it soooo much right now!
Yes this was so funny, I should have had a glass of wine next to me! I would love to go on a night out with that lot even though I am old enough to be their mother!
I now desperately need a historical fanfic about time traveller Catherine de Medici
HOLY SH- I NEED THAT
As a corset wearer since my teens, I can say that it's possible for people with certain medical conditions to faint from lacing corsets too tightly. And I say say this with the full acknowledgement that fainting as a socially acceptable form of performative feminine expression was practiced in the 19th century, so most swooning ladies were not suffering physically from their garments.
I have POTS syndrome, which affects circulation, heart rate, & causes sudden changes in blood pressure. I can't lace down on days when I'm having a flare up or I will get lightheaded & pass out because all my blood stays down in my legs.
HOWEVER, I can still wear corsets laced to my natural waist measurement without a problem, which is what the vast majority of historical women did. Tightlacing was never a common practice, the correct torso shape was the goal, not waist size.
“ Traditional art history. Which is a circle jerk of men.” Omg I love this. The whole reaction.
I wear corsets, that I use for both my back and tight-lacing. I have worked in them, run around in them and felt very comfortable in them in everyday ware. It is different but so is getting use to any Thank you.
THIS VIDEO IS THE GOLD THAT ALCHEMISTS COULDN'T CREATE
So umm... who else want to do a “Catherine Demedici through the centuries” project? 😂
yES
YES! I want to see her wearing 60’s fashion in the 20’s
YEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!
At least one of them needs to be Megan Follows playing her in Reign.
If anything should be a “thing”, surely this is it! C de M as time traveller! I’m off to watch some (hopefully accurateish) docos.
When Abby said "aliens" directly to the camera, I completely lost it. Amazing job!
SAME 🤣👏🏻👏🏻
18:36 "If you change your perspective on the past, it changes your perspective on the present, dramatically." Spot on! That's one of the reasons I love delving into textiles and their use throughout history. I learn about so much more than if I only looked at history books.
"I can stuff snacks!"
Favorite quote, best comeback for those who think corsets are straight jackets
Not to mention that when they mentioned the Austrian Boarding School and showed the rather dapper gentleman wearing a very tight corset(12:15), that is Mr. Pearl, a famous corset maker of the modern era.
Exactly!!!! That’s Mr Pearl!
I don't know Mr. Pearl, but I knew that Austrian officers wore corsets to emphasise their V-shaped torso.
But put a black and white filter on it so it looks more historical
@@EmissaryofWind yeah
I thought that was him!
I was at a small exhibition yesterday of 1880s (mostly) clothes including a very patched corset... another visitor commented to me "I don't know why women even wore corsets!" I embarrassed my husband by turning to her and asking, "Do you wear a bra every day?"
As someone easily embarrassed I pity your husband but appreciate your speaking up ❤️
I would have answered "no I don't... I hate bras... But I get your point 🧐✨"
I would've went off! (Not getting mad at the poor dear but I would go into and educating rampage)
@@TheTamago would you even be talking shit about corsets out loud to respond that in the first place?
You go girl, keep up the rant
If we turned every time they mismatch a date with an image into a drinking game, I'd be pass-out drunk from this reaction video alone. I can't imagine what the original video is like.
Probably die of alcohol poisoning if it was the original video-
I think we would have alcohol poisoning, lol.
Good heavens, the hangovers would be astronomical!
Anyone else wondering why they showed statues of Minoan goddesses when they were talking about Greece? I love all of you so much. What a great video.
Karolina's expressions are the epidemy of what " Bless your heart" means in the Southern US.
I actually pissed myself from laughing at this
*epitome, and yes!
Bless your heart is the most versatile phrase I've ever heard but the common meaning is her expressions
This is like the Dress Historian/Historical Costumer Avengers and I’m loving it. Also, the fact that everyone’s brain exploded when the narrator said “and tusks.”
All of my favorite people are here I'm losing my mind!!
I was thinking "and *busks*?!"
I was imagining whales with tusks and wondering how the heck that would work 😂
@@MissMagic Narwhals maybe? 😂
@@MissMagic There actually are whales with tusks! Narwhals, like @Tony Groves mentioned, but also an entire family called the beaked whales whose males have tusks. There's even an extinct dolphin, called Odobenocetops, which had paired tusks just like a walrus.
At 5:15 I'm thinking "wait... They had fetishes back then?!?"
Then I facepalmed because... Of course they did. Humans are humans are humans, and there's always going to be people turned on by things that aren't mainstream
Plus, corsetry is still 100% a thing on the modern kink scene. Unless the article was specifically about history?
I love how when Abby's distressed, her fur babies try to distract her and must be wrangled.
Upon review, the fur baby is mainly comforting Nicole. But my point stands!
7:27 love how photography was invented in the early 16th century too
Catherine de' Medici is somewhere, forehead resting in the palm of her hand listening to that narrator, shaking her head in historical defeat. Than she watches your critique and smiles while under her breath of renewed hope utters, ".....bars..."
While preparing poisons for the narrator whose existence she can no longer tolerate!
*dashes off to pour a bit of "The Coping Beverage of Your Choice"*
Literally got up half way through this video and popped a Champaign cork. I want to see this end of this video but I also need a little frosting to absorb this bullshit. Thank you all for being the video that I would need to cope with this blatant disrespect of history.
The images and the eras were so deeply mismatched that I started to wonder if it was intentional. Thank you all for this gem of a reaction video.
When he said that corsets were made with whalebone and "tusks" I didn't immediately think of like elephants but of wild boars (because where I live we actually have those) and was wondering for a moment how you would make a corset with those because they couldn't possibly be long enough until you guys said ivory and then I was like ooooh elephant hunting was a thing.....
i thought of walruses and the thought of victorian noblewomen flinging themselves into the icy sea to hunt walruses for corset boning will never fail to send me
No but boar tusk would make good small accents or even make a tiny corset lol
Okay but even then Ivory was expensive as fuck, how did he not stop to think for one sec “how working class women would afford a corset made with ivory?”
My first thought was whale tusks, it took my a few minutes to realize those don’t exist
my favorite nonsense about the uterus: the wandering uterus that had to be lured back into place with honey held before the vagina (because it can smell?!) and led to the term "honeypot" as a vaginal euphemism.
Oh my god, _noo! That's_ where that comes from?!?? 😂😂😂 I am deceased.
Yes! I won't turn down Abby Cox telling me to grab a drink. Finally, a reason to drink at 8:30 in the morning!
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Well, it’s 5:00 somewhere... .
Can we like... I mean... Did they really... yeah...
There's this point of dismay where Nicole just stops caring and gazes out the window in a futile attempt to save her sanity. I really felt her there.
Having just done tons of research and writing about 1960s fashion, seeing a 60s photo being used to talk about the 20s I almost died on the spot- how in the world did the editors think that was okay??
Right? Even if you don’t know much about fashion history, most people know to some extent what people in the 20s looked like vs people in the 60s.
As a woman studying art history with majority of my classmates being female. I was laughing really hard when you mentioned art history. 😂 From what I've seen for example in historic preservation the proportion between female and male employees is pretty balanced. Many people looks down on me, when they ask what I'm studying. I could only imagine what would they think if I was studying dress history, I think most people in my country don't even think it's something different.
Underrated comment! Honestly, their misandry is a bit of a bummer, as I am sure the misinformed modern men regurgitating these errors likely have the exact same politics and ethics as the women here.
@@thehussarsjacobitess85 won't somebody think of the men!! I bet they feel just awful after calling women unthinking, vanity driven creatures for the past thousands of years and it's now the same thing as misogyny because they got made fun of on the internet!
I am so amazed how they worked so hard on that show that they even found a photograph from the early 1600s. 😍
“Ladies, do we choose violence today?”
“I think we have no choice.”
That’s how you know to expect some top-tier ~elegant~ roasts
I knew at least ONE of you guys were going TO OBLITERATE this video!
Imagine my happiness that the whole gang is here🙃
I saw that Minoan goddess and was like “whaaaaaaat?” At the same time Nicole put her hand up like: no please.
Yeah timeline what timeline? It's a woman who cares that's it millenia before the corset was invented.
I saw the Minoan goddess and heard "Ancient Greece" and like, at least they're off by centuries both CE and BCE.
Late second millennium BC. Of a possible goddess from a culture we know very little about because we haven’t been able to translate their language.
I just watched a Jessica Kellgren-Fozard video on “medical hysteria” and there’s some fascinating overlap! Men blame(d) uteruses for all kinds of crazy junk!
Nothing is more amazing and amusing that watch a group of intelligent, professional women debunking history myths mostly spread by men who liked to think that, like Nicole said, women were just "silly vain creatures".
Loved this video so much!!
It's really terrible when in an academic exposition these myths still peddled as fact. Had the displeasure of attending such a conference. It felt decades out of sync. Thank you for your work!
Ouch...
This was like a game of historic mad lib. Like I recognize those pictures but someone has used fill in the blank info...
Also who else was waiting for Abby to come back in a corset with snacks down the front when she disappeared after saying it?
As a singer, I've always loved singing in a corset for exactly the same reason Bernadette mentions around the 17 min mark - the resistance! Giving something to push against actually helps be breath better and with more engagement. I think it's fair to say that singing requires even more breath than regular activity and I've never had issues with the undergarments under period costumes.
"it's like they had a downloaded folder with all the imagery and they just threw it all on the timeline while editing" from watching the original video for context, it seems like that's exactly what they did 🤦♀️
It's absolutely delightful to see a group of experts discuss - and roast! - a video full of misinformation.
Thank you guys for doing what you do, whether it is "Academically Salty" video essays or roasting ridiculous bs (and then breaking down WHY it is important to roast it, it's not just for the lolz, roasting has an important purpose!). Y'all are a big inspiration for my chosen area of study (archiving with a focus in using digitalization to improve accessibility).
That’s awesome!! Where and what physical artifacts are you hoping to digitize?!
Academically salty...yep, this is now a thing.
I love that the proof Abby gives for a spacious tight lacing is that she can store SNACKS!
I thought I should now wear corsets all the time for this specific reason.
@@rajkumariyt I do. I don't regret it.
But that's important
I love Costubers snack obsession in general.
That sounds extra. Just get pockets. Or a fanny pack (bum-bag as we say in the UK)
"Highly superficial trend" made me head-desk. WOW.
I mean... I did _chair massage_ in a corset for 7 weekends for two years. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DIE.
I ADORE this format. It's gotta be the next step in the "expert reacts to their field of study in film and TV" format - multiple experts who react as a group and make jokes inbetween explaining things.
Probably the worst part of the misinformation about Corsets is that I was literally taught that corsets were horrible, forced on women by society in Elementary school when we learned about women's rights.
"If you change your perspective of the past it changes your perspective on the present" 👏👏👏
This week on "Men talking about Women's issues based on minimal research"
Coming to you since the beginning of time. Yipee.
OH MY GOD IT'S HERE, IT'S INFINITY WAR OF FASHION HISTORY TH-cam, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
I’ve seen weird history do stuff like this with other videos. I’ve seen them use WW1 photos to describe WW2 and vise versa. I’ve also seen them use photos of the Holocaust for a Soviet gulag video. That’s just to name a few examples.
This is so good. I make a cup of tea, grabbed some biscuits, and put this on the telly. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would welcome more of this style of content, when you can find time to coordinate everyone again.
Does anyone else wanna see MamaDoctorJones react to the faulty uterus biology starting at 9:00 ?? I'm dying. Human's can be so smart and so dumb at the same time.
I thought about MDJ too! Lol.
"So glad we didnt make this a drinking game" was the moment i lost it