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I'm Gen Z and I'm absolutely there for Zappers😂 Besides that, thank you Abby for this fabulous social overview, I loved the topic and would love to see more of this type of content! ❤️ And thank you for making such a strong public statement about my generation 😘
@AbbyCox can you listen to your vids before you put them out? The inserted clips are BLARING and don't match the same level of audio that your commentary portions are and it makes what is really great content very hard to watch. Love you hon.
Meh... Gen z didn't make any huge statement yet.. all of the contrasting fashioncame in from millenials and even gen x. they caught this trending already. kpop for instance as example of gender clotuing breaking up... we have been hyping kpop for over a decade.. gen z is just BORN in this enviroment
This! History is taught so episodically that it took me forever to realize "Hey, all those flippy-skirted party girls had just lived through WW1 _and_ the 1918 flu. This makes perfect sense. Eat, drink and be merry, and all that jazz."
I honestly can't imagine what it must have been like coming of age during World War 1, especially in Europe & the UK....a whole generation wiped out...it really does explain the vibes of the 1920s 😂. I read Testament of Youth when I was in my early 20s and, honestly, that book changed my whole outlook on life...
@@AbbyCox The collapse of the stock market in 1929 is thought to be directly connected to the pandemic. It raged for 4 years in NYC and wiped out a lot of the elders in the population. So the 1920s started with a radically younger workforce and a huge loss of institutional knowledge. One theory is that with so many young men in charge led to a runaway economy--they literally couldn't see the collapse coming because they hadn't been alive long enough to have seen a recession/boom cycle and know it was inevitable.
In what way did World War 1 affect young women in the second decade of the 20th century. I doubt if many of them actually got trench foot or were gassed or had limbs blown off. It's not like they would have been suffering from shell shock. And how does that compare to post 1945 and why was there not an equivalent generational response? What social class were the flappers? Were working class women able to indulge in hedonistic lifestyles? Asking for a friend 😉
“Every generation wants to be different than the one before” was what my dear sweet grandmother used to say. Born in 1899, she and her 18 year old sister moved to NYC in 1915. As seamstresses, tailors and theatrical costumers, they saw IT ALL in her 90+ years. We were blessed to have her guidance through Women’s Lib, my punk years, open discussions about sexuality and mental health (she worked with “shell shocked” soldiers after the Great War). She went from not having electricity or running water to microwave ovens, computers, cell phones and a bidet. She LIVED a AMAZING life.
It’s interesting to see Thrifting be a thing because Fast Fashion is literally being dumped on Third-World Countries and we have a warped version of thrifting in urban centres. Pray for us.
@@anniebell6846 I hope you at least watched the video. I want better for everyone. They deserve better wages & to not be forced to process the rest of the world's trash.
@@tashacano3324 they also deserve governments that care . This is one part of a movement towards bettering the world but my point was that in developing countries they are less wasteful. This was why I stopped engaging because my lived experience is different. I sit in a very privileged place where I can debate and not be directly effected. I commend anyone who can live by this ethos but a lot of people can’t due to external forces that I personally cannot effect . I don’t personally consume fast fashion often but I’m not able to see and make beautiful things like this community can .
idk if it's anywhere else, but that phrase is in the music video for Kishi Bashi's song Violin Tsunami. Ah, google tells me that it's a Mark Twain quote, but I'm too lazy to verify if that's true or not lol.
It's a phrase I use when teaching history at the collegiate level because repetition is easy to do (and dismiss), but discerning patterns is a crucial skill.
As a Gen X I can truly say that I agree with everything Abby said about the Flappers and Gen Z. Two generations I also admire. Every generation before you, no doubt went through the same s**t. We did at the hands of our Boomer & Silent Gen parents, they did at the hands of thier parents. Ironically, the more progressive Boomers (civil & women's rights activists in the 50's 60's & 70's) were probably kids of Flappers. Whilst the rest of their generation are kids of the majority of that generation who're collectively known as the Greatest Generation (not my name for them). We're all sensitive to being looked down on as teens and twenty somethings. Some just forget how it feels to be belittled when they get older & have their own kids.
Thank you for elaborating on the eugenics bit of that. As an Autistic/Neurodivergent woman, the role eugenics has played (and will unfortunately still tries to play thanks to groups like Autism $peaks) is extremely important to us but do minimally known to others, and tbh I was afraid you might gloss over it. In fact the term Asperger's (the diagnosis of which is officially a part of Autism thanks to the DSM-5) comes from Hans Asperger who was an Austrian physician, who assessed and determined which neurodivergent children were fit to exist in society and which were not and therefore were subjected to the same torture and eugenic treatment as Jewish folk. So yeah, eugenics is an important exception here, thank you again for taking the time to go over it.
I have always felt something off about “Asbergers” for the longest time - it always felt kind of weird and sketchy to me to separate people with the same neurotype into two categories based on how well they fit into neurotypical society. When I try to explain it to people they never know what I mean, now I can be like “well ya see….”
It's actually not a diagnosis anymore, they took it out of the official whatever, not DSM5 but I can't think of it, but obviously doctor bullshit bias means the language is alive and well (and everything else you said 💯 exactly) 👏👏
I feel like there's a lack of education and in-depth awareness about how disabled people were systemically murdered/"mercy killed" under the Nazi regime, and also how they copied eugenics from the USA. The forced sterilization of differently abled people was greenlit by the supreme court case Buck v. Bell and was still happening through the 1970s. It may be a lot less common now, but there are still instances of forced sterilizations in the USA to this day.
@@unfrgtblmemoriez The DSM6 or the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual 6th edition. which is the manual Doctors and insurance companies use to officially diagnose mental health disorders. Autism is now called Autism Spectrum Disorder or ASD rather then having a bunch of separate disorders. My daughter has a language delay so we were on the look out for ASD.
@@thehomeschoolinglibrarian the DSM-6 isn't out yet and won't be for a while since they only just released a revised version of the DSM-5. I think they're referring to the ICD-11 which is the catalogue used to report to the WHO.
I'm a Xennial. When I was first diagnosed with ADHD, C-PTSD, and more 13 years ago, I found a new passion in mental health advocacy. When people my age (late 20s at the time) and older found out about my diagnoses, they tried to shame and silence me. My advocacy has been focused on trying to make the world a more accepting place for my own children (and potentially future grandchildren) who are also neurodivergent. This was a hard fought battle for me. My children are adult Gen Z now, and the openness and honesty with which they and their friends discuss their mental health moves me. I'm seeing the fruit of my struggle and labor as my children not only have accurate diagnoses but are not ashamed of them. Beyond that, they think it's ludicrous that anyone would shame another person for their mental health or neurodevelopmental disorders. This progress makes me deeply happy. I've listened to them have very self-aware, affirming conversations with other gen Zers and I've cried with joy that they are not shackled with the stigmas of my generation and previous generations.
Fellow Xennial! Yeah, it was a rough time back then to have mental health issues or to struggle with sexuality & gender (several gay friends & a few trans that only recently came out). Thank you for keeping on promoting mental health & getting rid of stigmas!!!!
Hey thanks for mentioning NDs. It's a massive part of the 2020s. I got my autism diagnosis 2 years ago and how open gen z was what pushed me go and get the diagnosis. The psy was like why didn't your parents do this and they said we didn't want to put her in a box, she managed better then those kids. Now after education they are and I am as well getting better at valuing mental health as an issue as well and how my 'managing' at the expense of my mental health was really managing
Preach - I would add that the gen z peeps are able to discuss and claim these so openly because they have been brought up by (and taught by) millennials and gen x parents and teachers… 😁 It’s great to see our hard work paying off isn’t it? 🌈👍🏻
I'm so happy that mental health attitudes have changed so much. My Mother's family in the 40's had an Uncle that was put in a mental asylum (government mandated placement once he was diagnosed - and died there) because he had Epilepsy and Bi-polar diorder. It meant that her family had issues accepting or even talking about mental health problems and alcoholism was rife in her brothers and sisters. So sad.
@@margaretkaraba8161 yes! My grandfather was in the VA hospital for years due to shell shock (now known as PTSD) from WW2. He was diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia, but now we wonder if it was just the PTSD as the condition was poorly understood. He couldn't function well enough to be out of the hospital and miss most of his children's growing-up years. There was so much stigma attached to it, even just attached to being shell shocked which was viewed as weakness and shameful back then. I'm so glad we understand better today. His children don't address their mental health issues because they grew up in the shadow of his shame and the socialstigma around it. But some of my generation and my children's generation are making huge headway in the mental health arena. ❤❤❤
I remember at the end of 2019 everyone was talking about "the 20's" coming back and turns out we were sorta right in some ways. Also: I nominate the buzzcut for being the new version of the 1920's bob
Fun fact: The buzzcut haircut came into our culture via WWI soldiers shaving their heads to try to get rid of lice, which the trenches were teeming with. They came home war heroes with shaved heads, younger men/boys emulated it, the military adopted it as their official hairstyle, and a trend was born.
As a nonbinary transwoman, it's difficult for us to be feminine without folks trying to actively kill us. But i would like to say that, Millenials and Gen Z both have made gender nonconformity mainstream and awesome.
as a black nonbinary genz(er)? it makes me really happy to see black transwomen being able to celebrate their identies proudly online, thank u for being so inspiring
@@carolinpurayidom4570 the nature of gender is... messy. it's individual; it's social. for some nonbinary trans women (or transfemmes (yo) ), it comes down to the fact that trans women are perceived differently from cis women; our role in society is different, so some of us examine our own gender and go ".....yeah, i'm a woman in the way that the moon is a goddess or the sea a mother. let's go bbs"
@@carolinpurayidom4570 one can just feel like a woman, but disconnected from the binary. they could feel like they resonate with both labels and there are many other reasons. gender is a spectrum.
As a younger milenial/ older gen z NOOOOOOOO like I am happy I work now and can afford cool clothes but I don't want to be reminded of the pressure to have flat stomach to wear those horrible jeans (and I was like 7)
As a boomer, I would like to thank you for this video. We failed in our attempt to open the word to other views. I hope “Gen Z” will be successful in it’s attempt. All people need to be free to be themselves and not bound by what some politician decides our morals should be.
I don't think Boomers failed. I've known many amazing Boomers that have advocated for a better world & still do. (my parents- who stuck to their ideals when they could in various conservative small towns we lived in growing up) There's always a smaller # of people that are the true visionaries that stick to their vision, while many others pay lip service but don't really care (those were the ones that voted for Reagan!) We all owe something to those who come before, they teach & mentor us, and we in turn teach them as well.
Boomers only need to keep up their revolutionary ideas through this era. The work y’all have done in your young adult lives towards change has allowed the younger generations to run with it.
@@mariahsheehy5917 I don't think the Boomers failed. I think the Boomers got tricked. Like all generations, what they got right they got VERY right. What they got wrong, they got VERY wrong.
I saw a comparison from the generations to the stages of grief and ngl it was kind of accurate: Silent generation = denial Boomers = anger Gen x = bargaining Millenials = depression Gen Z = accepatance
That's insane but it makes sense. The trauma causing grief must be WW1 or the rapid change that society went through as a result of technological advancement. Maybe without knowing we left something very important in the past or we did something to ourselves and ever since then we've been trying to cope
I agree with you about the eerie similarities between now and the interwar years! It is important to note that the 1920s also saw the concurrent rise of authoritarianism arising out of the pandemic, WWI and extreme income inequality. You touch upon this in your thoughtful remarks about eugenics. We can also include the rise of racial/ethnic violence (ex. 1921 Tulsa massacre, 1919 pogroms, etc...) Let's hope that this time the good side prevails.
I would argue that good HAS come out of the 1920s - BECAUSE eugenics is no longer a common practice (and I'm not aware of any fringes that still accept it, other than white nationalists), BECAUSE bitter roots of the Tulsa Massacre bore fruit in the Civil Rights movement (and we still aren't perfect, but we ARE better than we were... and so growing all the time), that we are aware and pushing back against recent anti-Semitism more than we had in past generations. We are, by no means perfect, but those Flappers of the 1920s broke ground that they later planted with the reforms of the 1960s/70s... for us to harvest. History is a long game, huh?
When I asked my grandma, who was a teen during the 20's and grew up in a conservative family, if she was a flapper (I was young & knew practically nothing about them) and she responded with distain that flappers were prostitutes. From what I know now and with this additional info from your vid, I realize that this must have been what her family told her from a purely reactionary perspective. It's funny too because from the pix of her twenties (and what started me to love historical dress), it was clear that she loved & wore the school-girl & fun masculine style dresses leftover from the 20s and into the 30's. It feels the same as conservatives now who ridicule gender non-conforming dress and categorize them as essentially wayward and influenced too much by the 'liberal media' (or of the Devil). lol
So you believe what a person from 2022 is historical researching vs someone who actually lived it. Interesting....this video was such a broad generalization.
Krysta DeMilio just because someone lived through the past doesn’t mean they’re a reliable source about certain topics. Individuals can have bias, so you shouldn’t just take what they say as fact.
I'd compare that attitude to conservatives like Candice Owens who berate people for wearing gender non-conforming clothing, while she's wearing blazers and other items that would've been considered too masculine only a half-century ago.
I like to think the hipster generation with all of its "ironic" liking of the old, and odd, and non conforming pushed for and evolved into Gen Zs acceptance of and support of much of those same things with out needing the attitude of "I must show disdain to look cool" and instead with a support and joyful acceptance of the odd, non conforming, and even old so long as it's not harmful
As a college art teacher I’m glad to see this correlation form someone else. I keep talking about on the parallels in class but I swear nowone else was seeing it!
As a member of gen z, I really appreciate how, unlike many other gen z videos I've seen, you actually talk about us like ✨people✨ and not some newly discovered exotic species, so thx. I thought this video was very well thought out, and brought up a lot of interesting takes I haven't seen talked about before
I'm a millennial and I remember when MH was just beginning to be something you talk about. I was being interviewed for somebody's psychology study in 2010ish and I distinctly remember discussing how despite everyone talking about accepting MH, in reality at the time it was only ok to speak about how you had issues *in the past* and overcame them, but are definitely sane and normal now. I'm glad to see progress in this department now where you can actually openly talk about ongoing mental health issues.
@@LynnHermione you realize it might just be yours and a select few other countries right? It’s not always a “USA sucks thing” even though commonly yes it is. (Also i’m not American lol)
I am a Gen X, Pan/Demi, Queer (she/her, they/them) mom to a Gen Z, Cis, Hetero teenage boy nicknamed “Default Settings” by his large group of non-conforming friends. I adore him, and his friends! I flew out of the closet as Bi nearly 30 years ago, now, but always described myself by the definitions of Pan and Demi. I experienced quite a bit of discrimination on both sides back then. Now, my godson is out and proud as Trans in high school!! I love what Gen Z is doing, even if their humor sometimes eludes me. They continue to teach and lead by example every day, and I applaud them for it. Thanks for the reminder that history repeats itself! You hint at it a lot…I think you’ve joined the ranks of zebras in the world…rare illnesses that don’t conform to the herds of horse illnesses, so to speak. If that’s so, I’m sorry. Chronic illness sucks. That being said, you’re not alone. I’ll always send good vibes your way in hopes for more good days than not, and for support on the not days. Love, light, and blessings to you, Jimmy, and the doggos.
THANK YOU! I am a high school teacher and these kids are amazing! They are so tuned-in to the world and they obviously care about making things better. I tell them regularly they are amazing and they are so shocked and grateful to hear it because they are not used to adults telling them they are any good. I've had some kiddos even tear up about it.
I don't really have contact with him now, but my ex brother in law is gen z (born in 2001). He was my only window to their generation, and I have to say I'm so so impressed by them! His friend group had a situation a few years ago, when one girl found out she had an STD. She immediately told the person she slept with last, and they both notified the last few partners they had. Everyone went to the doctor and got tested, boys and girls. Everyone talked openly about it, there was no shame or humiliation. When he told me about it, he was just so casual, and I could not believe it. I kept remembering similar situations from my high school, and how wildly different it was for me, even though there is just 7 years difference between us.
My daughter is Gen Z. Having spent a lot of time with her peers while she was in high school, I can honestly say I’m very impressed with this generation. They were born into a world of endless war, political strife, climate change and a pandemic. They have survived massive fires that destroyed whole neighborhoods and cities (we’re in CA and half our city burned down in 2017) and watched their loved ones die of disease. They are resilient. They are open and honest about their mental health, even with people outside of their friend group. They are accepting of other’s sexual identities and fight for equality. They care deeply about the health of our planet and are working to create change where they can. They are the leaders of tomorrow. If my parents’ generation would get out of the way, this Gen X mom has no doubt that these “kids” would make the world a healthier and happier place.
I'm from NorCal, are you? My county, and adjacent county burned to the actual ground in the Redwood Complex/Tubbs fire. The neighborhood I grew up in (including our house), burned to ash, actual ash. It looked like Hiroshima.
I'm old enough to be a Boomer, but also a practicing Hedge Witch, and happily an Entwife; having retired to a poor rural county to purchase a few acres. I actually enjoy learning new things & appreciate music created after my high school years. And ya, many of my old school friends shun me. That's ok, I'm busy mentoring youngsters & caring for folks critters.
@@florindalucero3236 yes I am. The night of the Tubbs fire was terrifying. The smoke. The falling ash and cinder. The hellish glow on the hills as the fire roared in our direction. We were lucky and our home was ok. So many of my friends were not as lucky.
@@brandyjean7015 I have to admit I have no clue what music is popular these days. My daughter is a classical musician who also loves all things 80s (1980s), so we are either listening to her current favorite compositions or the 80s station. 😂
My favorite phrase I've learned recently (though it was actually coined by CS Lewis) is "chronological snobbery" which is basically our tendency to assume superiority over people from the past largely because of our progressive capabilities (that are generally thanks to the actions of the past generations) and looking at history through a usually narrow and unnuanced (is that a word?)lens.
I'm Gen Z. Love this video 💜🤍 I'm Belgian and there is a Belgian singer Stromae and a few months back he put out a song L'enfer which is about suicidal thoughts. It became super popular and it helped so many people of my generation, including me. He descriped exactly what it feels like and it shows that you're not alone. Also now for the first time, people didn't have to find the words themselves, they could just refer to the song and say "that's how i feel." I've listened to that song so often, but i still get goose bumps every time. It hurts me and that's why i love it so much
My best friend Juni who lives in Belgium and I met on a My Chemical Romance message board back in 2004. EMO music has the exact same message. Gerard Way openly talked about his suicidal thoughts and how his depression impacted his life. Almost all EMO bands talked about their mental health. There is a charity called To Write Love On Her Arms that was at Warped Tour and very big in the scene that was a metal health line to call when you needed someone to talk to. Your comment made me happy to see how far we have gone but also sad because what you said is exactly what we said about MCR. The whole point of MCR was to save peoples life and they defiantly saved my life. I am happy that you have an artist to save yours. Sending lots of love and sunshine from California.
As a GenXer, I can say, with all honesty, that I did once envy -and was angry at- Millennials, and later, Gen Z. I saw them having access to things we wish we'd had, but had to grow up without. That includes, but is not limited to, ready access to cell phones, an internet that worked so much better to connect people with jobs and such, to keep track of people without having to write letters (and then losing track of them anyway, no matter how hard you tried), and so much more. We were mostly trying to survive in a world that really hated us. We'd no parents around till late, we had a key connected to a string, and tied around our neck, so we could get in the house, and take care of ourselves after school. But then you have these wonderful new kids coming along. They take what we designed, and make it so, so much better. Here they are, protesting so much more than ever we could, really taking petitions and boycotts, walk-outs, and sit-ins, not asking for social change, but /demanding/ it! Is it condescending if I say that I am so very, very proud of all you've been able to accomplish? If I say that you have my gratitude as an 'old lady', for all of the things you continue to fight for so hard? well, I am. I will continue to help the fight as much as I can, for as long as I can. Keep up the good fight, my niblings.
I get where you're coming from but what do you mean by the "no parents until late and carrying our house keys" part? I'm gen z and my mom works until late, and I also have to take my keys everywhere in order to be able to enter my house. I don't see how that's a generational thing, knowing both older and younger people who have/had parents working until late and also not that late. Anyways, the rest of the comment was really nice
@@juli5945 Gen X is seen as the first latch-key kids. They were/are the first generation to have moms consistently working outside the home, and the first generation to typically come home to no adults. Does that mean no one experienced it prior to the 70s /80s? Of course not!! Does this mean that kids aren't coming home alone nowadays? Obviously not! Does that mean there were no stay at home parents? Nope, not that either. Simply that we/they were the first generation to have an overwhelming experience of coming home to no adults. (X-ennial who was a latch-key kid) One last thought - I had to call Mom when I got home for the day... but we didn't have Ring or anything else that allowed the parents to see who / what was going on. Not sure if that's a blessing or curse of your generation. ;)
The 50 year cycle. We are redoing the 70s who were redoing the 20s and yeah the "hey lets try the 20s again" jokes were all over Tumblr in late 19 and turned painfully ironic in march of 20. It is nice to see it isn't just skin deep and has more under the surface too
I understand why you only used Gen Z, because it’s more streamlined and gets people’s attention, but I’d argue it’s Millenials AND Gen Z who are both very similar to the flappers. All of this started with millennials and has been bolstered and taken to the next level by Gen Z. It’s a fight we’re both deeply entrenched in…and I couldn’t be more proud of us all who are fighting for change.
Yeah, I have to agree - I've been seeing most of this sort of thing amongst my peers (late Y's, nearing 30 now) as well as early-to-mid-Z's. (I don't see as many younger Z's due to various circumstances) Certainly a vast majority of the voices I see advocating for all the social change mentioned have been from people currently somewhere in their 20s, which span late Millennials AND early Zoomers in fairly equal portions. Really, it doesn't downplay the impact Gen-Z is having to also give us Millennials some credit as well lol - we weren't just walking, we've been jogging for over a decade now
In the 1920s a lot of the parents of flappers had a pretty chill attitude to their kids social lives and styles. You could argue that millennials are like the observing parents watching and enjoying the cultural development but being a little too old to be on the forefront
It brought me so much joy as a young, queer gen z adult to have my generation spoken of with so much maturity and respect. Thank you 💜 Also, this video must have been an absolute bitch to edit! I'm very impressed
@@user-id8ih :) for your information, i never did a single BuzzFeed test, maybe for my sexuality. and my adhd was actually brought up by my therapist. :))))) maybe don't prejudge next time. and to a certain, small degree, neurodivergence is kind of a disability.
@@user-id8ih Honey, my psyhologyst broughtup the chances, because I had panic attack like shit. In a world which wasnt made to be ADHD friendly, it is a disability. Im happy i wasnt diagnosed as a child. My mother liked that she got a hyperactive child and she created a home which matched my needs. While I was struggeling with my studies and school in general, my art teachers loved me and one of them even encouraged my mother to take me for film castings. I couldnt do that because school was way too much. Thing is, if you put me in the right enviorment i will learn anything in no time. And the right enviorment would be right for neurotypical people too. You just need to make the class interesting. Disabilities arent called disabilities because they stop you from doing something. But because they dont fit into the enviorment of what we expect to the typical body to be.
What's oddly well timed is that I know a GenZer who is kinda obsessed with these nuances between the 1920s and the 2020s. She wants a Victory Garden when she gets her own place...but also wants a Stone circle made out of Goose Statures ...dubbed "THE GOOSE CULT." Which is kinda interesting that many of us Millennials kinda dig that Industrial Age thing.
I'm a late Millennial i find that a lot of the gen Z social movements while on the surface seem good, have an inclination to be only social in nature and don't leave much room for nuance or conversation. I can see a lot gen already getting stuck in their ways (much like Boomers) as they were progressive in their day and age and don't need to change.
Agree. Millennials started these social movements and were having the nuanced discussions about them- Gen Z means very well but the vast majority of them are just repeating things they've heard from others, without really understanding what they mean or the context for them, and tend to have extremely black and white thinking about most issues. I understand why they are rejecting everything that came before them, but they still need to learn about it to understand how we got to where we are today. That's the only way we can continue pushing these movements forward, rather than just deciding we've already got everything figured out.
@@revangerang it's important to understand that a lot of us gen Z people are very young and hence are not able to see the nuance of a situation. But I believe that would change as the years progress.
To be fair, gen z is still pretty young. For most of them, their brains haven't fully developed yet. They need guidance, yes, but if Us older folk do our part to guide them, then by the time they're old enough to be in positions of power then their plans and solutions will have had time to be fully fleshed out from idealistic to actually practical. They just need time and support is all.
@@mmmmyeah1849 For sure! I know I had to go through the same process (and still am). But I guess the difference is that we started the conversations, or at least were there to witness them being started? So we naturally had more perspective on what it was like for us to collectively work through issues and change and grow. Where I see a lot of Gen Z acting as if you can only be Good and Right or Bad and Wrong about something and never have simply misspoken, or come from a different set of experiences, or meant well but had bad info, etc. So I guess that’s part of what I meant about Gen Z needing to understand the history of how we got here. That even the ones they learned these things from probably once had internalized bigotry that was so pervasive they didn’t even realize it, whereas now 15 years later they would be shocked to read their own words. But at the time they truly thought they were progressive and were honestly already well ahead of their peers when it came to critically analyzing their thoughts and behaviors. I agree with AquilaCat that it’s also up to us as their elders to not just teach them whether something is Right or Wrong, but to walk them through the critical thinking of WHY. (And of course we also need to listen to Gen Z if they tell us we haven’t unlearned everything wrong yet). I’m procrastinating from errands so this got really long andhskkfkg but yeah tl;dr basically I just hope we can all really TALK and LISTEN to each other.
@@revangerang I have been doing a lot of spiritual work with a group of elders over the last few years. They have taught me the understanding that in our first half of life we MUST see things in a very binary way - good or bad, black or white, etc. - in order to build a healthy ego. It is only as we age and mature that those artifical binaries become constricting, as we start to glimpse that everything our egos and society want us to believe is important (money, things, connections) might not be all there is. (I would argue that Gen Z is grappling with this whole understanding of binary vs non-dual or third way thinking uniquely in the discussions around gender from such a young age, hence my firm belief that we are evolving as a species.) Richard Rohr's amazing book Falling Upward talks about the spirituality of the second half of life - and I would encourage it to both older, cranky codgers like myself who get exasperated with the "yunguns" trying to hold something as ALL good or bad... and those younger ones who are starting to find binaries constricting in all aspects of life. :) (BTW, you can be an 11 year old cancer survivor or orphan who has already felt the invitation and begun to walk the second half of life... just as you can be an 80 year old who refuses to grow from lived suffering and pain. It's not a chronological thing.)
So, I know that GenX doesn't actually exist, but for the most part GenZ are our kids. And a lot of their trends have deep roots in 90s culture (GenX's heyday). Normalization of tats & rainbow colored hair? Thank GenX. Young men wearing earrings, nail polish, and yes, even a dress or two, thank GenX. Riot Grrls, 3rd wave feminism, and environmentalism: GenX. Thrift store fashion? A huge trend in GenX's youth. Openness about Mental Health? See Prozac Nation and Girl Interrupted, we didn't get it fully down the field, but we got the ball rolling. Grunge, Post Punk, and "Alternative", yep, all from GenX. I could be way off base, but I would like to believe that the way we raised our kids may have at least a little to do with how awesome they are. And to give total credit where credit is due, we (GenX) stole a lot of our values and aesthetics from our parents, the Hippies. Of course, we were completely aware that our parents had all sold out, which accounts for some of our apathy. But we were very inspired by their music, their fashion, and their early idealism.
Every generation rebels in its own way. The massive social changes in the 1960s were partly the result of the stifling conformity of the 1950s, for example. I've noticed, over the long term, that while there may be backward steps at times, there is a long arc of progress. That said, what happens to many of us as we age, and I say this as a 63-year-old gay man, is we get so goddamned tired of constantly fighting the same battles. I've lived long enough now to view the craziness now afoot in Florida, Texas, and other states as more of the same old shit, and it gets disheartening. The craziness won't last because, as you've pointed out, the current young adults do not support it, just as we (well many of us at least) did not support our parents' generation's inflexibility way back when.
You'd probably be surprised and this video doesn't point it out, but many gen z and millenials have recently been converted into conservatives. I'm actually expecting a backlash movement against all this "crazy new stuff", and a push to go back to simpler times from the younger generation in the coming years. It's already happening.
As a gen z person, I def think the whole “war and plague” thing does lend itself to that combination of nihilism (“the world is fucked and we’re all gonna die horribly at the hands of the hell we’ve created”) and trying to make things better (“I’d rather not die horribly so let’s make this place not fucked”). I’ve thought often of how the pandemic and extreme social tensions of the past few years are symptomatic of a whole load of messed up societal standards and systems. There’s a particular incentive to rectify problems when the consequences blow up in your face. It was probably similar with the flappers - they came of age in a time when the world was a full on dumpster fire, so they had a lot of incentive to make it better.
I recognized this trend the most as I saw a LOT of the cis men around me tried nail polish for the first time in the last year without being influenced by each other or something like that... I love it!
Listening (yes, not quite watching) to Abby whilst sewing a flowery blouse, because the weather here in the Arctic is very - meh - on this Easter Sunday. I only poked myself 2 times, once because I was giggling. But I also didn't know until today, that the "This is fine" - dog has a voice. Very educational Abby. Well done!
I love how at least in the goth community where I'm from, and the people I interact with online, super long hair and skirts are becoming more popular, kinda like a reverse of the 20s. A lot of it is very pirate or cottagecore inspired, and like big super long colored mullets or soft curtain bangs are pretty common.
This video was really cool! My mom is appalled at me all the time for how comfortable and ok I am with dressing casual or not wearing bras. My boyfriend also has long hair and is totally cool wearing more “feminine” clothes or hairstyles i like making for him. I also get a lot of backlash about sharing my mental health issues from older generations saying that I’m searching for attention but really it’s because I am learning my limits and know that me talking about it might help someone else. I do little things all the time that are mildly inconvenient to me because I know/hope that they could have a ripple effect and make someone’s day better. Like what if the person who collects the karts in the store parking lot is having a bad day and that one kart stuck on the ledge is the one that pushes them over the edge and ruins their day? I could move it and maybe I saved them from reaching a breaking point, and if I didn’t, all it cost me was a few extra steps. Idk how people (particularly people my parents age) see a problem with that. My dad thinks climate change is a hoax so I told him “ok let’s just say that it is for a second, does doing things to help planet hurt u in anyway? If not, then why not do them? If you are right and it is a hoax then you have done no damage and if you are wrong and it isn’t a hoax then you might have actually helped!” I don’t know why I do these things or think this way because I definitely wasn’t raised too, it just feels like common sense and natural. We’re always told the golden rule growing up is to treat others the way we want to be treated, and yet those very same people who told us that are weirded out by it! I’m just confused. If someone feels more comfortable with different pronouns or a different name then hell yeah I’ll use those! It doesn’t hurt anyone and it helps them. If someone wants to go out in a thong a pasties cuz they feel good in it then hell yeah!!! It’s not for me but I respect it and admire their confidence! If my boyfriend wanted to paint his nails and wear a dress I would literally make it for him! Anyway this was sort of of topic and rambly but I wanted to ramble lol. Obviously I respect and am grateful for my parents (and I know they have a lot of unsolved issues) but I’m just confused. This video was really interesting, it’s nice to see that other people notice the same things and makes me hopeful for the future!
As a older millennial who is a chronic door holder and parking lot cart herder, I salute you. I definitely wasn't taught these things by my parents either. I think some of us just think more about others (not that people can't learn that too) because we've simply thought about it and it makes sense. I think it's wonderful that you're so considerate and I hope you have a great day!
Somewhere along the line we forgot about respecting our fellow humans. I find it bizarre that a society that placed such huge importance on politeness could be so very selective about which members received that politeness. The more marginalized people were added to the “whole”, the less emphasis was placed on politeness and respect to the point that there are arguments about using a simple pronoun to describe someone. It takes so little effort to just be kind and respectful, not only to those we share the planet with, but to the planet itself, and causes no harm. Thank you for your efforts in making the world a better place, and for leading by example. We’re lucky to have you!
I bloody love your attitude here. Keep being you as you're changing the world for the better. I've been fighting for a better environment since I was a teen in the 1980s and I get very sad sometimes that we don't seems to be much further on, but seeing the attitude that GenZ has about fighting to save the planet makes me feel like it's worth carrying on with striving to make a difference.
@@TheMetatronGirl me too! We are always told to be respectful and nice but for some reason the people who told us that are selective with who and when they show respect to. Thank you! I didn’t expect Anyone to read my comment let alone be so nice!
Someone should make a video about the correlation between historical dressing and queer people, because while certainly most queer people don’t dress historically, there are still A LOT of queer people in the historical and vintage dressing communities.
Especially in the goth or other dark alt communities where it's more historically inspired with like purple hair and piercings, I've seen lots of trans alt people in particular wear corsets and piratey blouses with super long mullets or curtain bangs and tight pants or long skirts
@@yuuri9064 You could start with the Chevalier d’Eon (1700s), who presented as both a man and a woman at different times in their life. Very interesting person! Then there’s Thomas/Thomasine Hall in colonial America (1600s), who was the subject of court cases and drama on the subject of what they were allowed to wear and how they would live and present. There are also people who weren’t necessarily queer, but changed the norms of dress, like women who disguised themselves as men to act as pirates or soldiers, or Mary Walker (Civil War doctor and to this day the only female Medal of Honor recipient). There’s a picture of her wearing usual women’s attire, but with the skirt short and trousers underneath. She also made herself a surgeon’s uniform to wear, and made it just like the men’s ones.
Yes! Both historical dress in queer communities and queer people in history are fascinating to me, as I’m obsessed with historical fashion and have recently decided I wanted to learn more about LGBTQIA+ stuff when i found out a couple of my friends were queer.
7:03 In Hindi, there’s a term called “Humare Zamaane Mein…” (‘In Our Time’) which is invoked anytime Boomers want to act superior. Hating Young People transcends borders 😵💫
Transcends time too, the ancient Roman politician Cato complained abt the younger generation in his day as well. It's like the more things change, the more they stay the same.
@@DrinkYourNailPolish yeah I heard about some guy in grecian/roman antiquity complaining that "the youths" don't respect their parents and everyone wants to write a book. like some old boomer nowadays would.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Fashion, wordplay, everything just rolls around over and over again. As a Gen X with a tail end Millennial and a Gen Z, it’s so interesting to see how 2 years makes such a difference in how they look at things. You always make such interesting content and I appreciate it 😘💜!
When I was 13/14 years old I did an assignment on the 'history of fashion'. My teacher commented when she handed back my work that she was really surprised as when I gave her my chosen topic (this assignment was a free choice) she thought it would be a random collection of photos and a few words - it wasn't. But the idea of studying fashion history in those days wasn't a viable one for me (the whole 1st generation child of post WW2 parents etc). Fast forward many years and I am inspired by your intellectual curiosity and passion for this area and this presentation is an amazing example of this. I wonder if another aspect underpinning the ideas you presented is the search for identity and the way in which the social, political, cultural and economic context of the time (to mention a few) influence/impact on this through narrative and representations(my PhD was on identity so my brain went there straight away). I am semi -retired (that definitely dates me!) and my continued interactions with gen z(ers') is engaging, challenging, educational and hopeful.
Abby, I have been massively depressed and your video literally pulled me out of my head. Thank you for being supportive of progress and sharing the history of people’s desire to be themselves!
I'm an elder gen z so aka very late 90s, basically 2000s baby and i'm already enamoured with this video. i've always been actually been interested in 1920s fashion, the way the men and women played around with fashion is fascinating to me as a genderfluid person
Currently teaching Gatsby to my juniors and DAMN if this didn’t get me thinking about potential lesson plans. This was fascinating and absolutely accurate!
I used to make fun of this generation since the pandemic started, I was saying "What the hell, we are complaining because we have to stay home when people born around year 1900 likely went through Spanish flu, two world wars and the 1929 crisis!" Now in 2022 it seems that when it comes to tragic events we are catching up pretty quickly unfortunately... Other similarities Abby found are super interesting, especially the comparison between art/ meme culture.
Thinking that COVID and what is happening now politically compares to dealing with the first world war, the Spanish flu, and the Great Depression (the second world war was just another twist of the terrible knife)...their situation and ours today are not even remotely the same. They went through absolute hell back then and with a fraction of our current resources and abilities. People in the past are made of harder stuff than we are, they went through hell and back again to survive.
Man. Every time i watch a video deconstructing the past to recontextulise the present it makes me hyper curious as to how the now will be interpreted by future generations. What examples will they focus on, how their worldview shapes their understanding of what is now to me. Maybe im just being weird, but im curious yknow
Gen Z has indeed done so much to make the world more open. As did the previous generation from the 1920s. What a great exploration. Cheers to the flappers of the past, present and future
I'm a millennial and I was desperate for the opportunity to do all these things gen-z is doing, but everyone around me made me feel like there was no room for me to exist as myself. I felt like I had to shove everything down until I had space to understand myself. Now as an adult I'm having to deal with my own lost youth as I lived it in forced denial because of the society I was born into. I think millennials helped give gen-z the room to be themselves just based on my own experiences of waiting to be free. I'd say its a generation group effort, with each generation getting a little closer to liberation. And people don't stop growing or learning when they become adults - that would be the same as being dead. We're all still growing and learning and pushing the boundaries to reaching our full potential together.
Yeah totally agree I’m a gen x and feel like it such a better place now as a lesbian / queer woman who came out in the 90s feel like I can finally be myself without fear. Used to wear more masculine clothes to work in the late 90s and I was told I was inappropriate can’t see that happening now. The world is changing for the better
"Gen Z has taken this groundwork whith that groundwork and ran with it, with that nihilistic entusiasm that we can only dream of while poppin' three ibupofrens at 4 pm" - hit me like a gentle slap in the face where I was; eating ice cream and reeling from a migraine episode. That being said, love this comparison. Gen z: I salute you!
This was a fascinating video, as an ancient Gen X, I remember at the height of grunge members of Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden all wore dresses as a way of showing how ridiculous gender norms were - as well as vocal proponents for woman’s rights. It’s all cyclical :)
My mom finished high school in the 1970s and was a child of older parents. My grandmother decided to actually go to school with my mom to make sure other girls were wearing pants before buying any for my mom!
1920s Paris has always sounded like a wild experience to me. It's near the top my list of times and places I'd visit if I found myself in a time travelling phone booth.
Man did you hit this right on the head. I'm an old Millennial with a young Gen Z child that just happens to have a degree in history. The ties between GenZ and the Flappers are so interesting. They've grown up in a very similar time line. Children born just before a war (second Iraq war) to parents that experienced the collapse of what was a great country (2008 housing collapse/recession) who spent their young adult and teen years dealing with a global pandemic. Of course the reaction is towards the absurd, towards a desire to make things better! My 12 year old is much more aware of global issues than I ever was at that age. Her generation is singlet accepting of everyone. Gender? You do you. Fashion? That's cool, glad you like it. Hobbies? Sounds neat tell me about it. I'm not saying there isn't bullying and racism and all the other terrible things people do, I'm saying that the majority of them won't put up with it and will call others out on it. I truly admire them. They're empathetic, determined and frankly hilarious. I wish them well.
Great vid! As someone at the Gen X/Millennial crossover (born 1983 to Baby Boom parents), anyone who thinks that absurdist humour is unique to Gen Z needs to watch Monty Python's Flying Circus, made in the 1960s.
Or asdfmovie. I know relatively speaking, it’s not that old, but it was most definitely not made by Genzie is my point. It’s just Genzie has a completely different brand of absurdism that I myself don’t get, but i’m ASDF movie is amazing
I've had depression since my teens, but identifiably since I was 21 when my mother died after 3 years of cancer fighting. Despite this, mentioning that I was depressed, on meds, in therapy - all this was shameful to share or discuss from the 80s to the 00s. When I finally recognized that both my kids were struggling with depression in the late 00s and early 10s, I stopped hiding it. It's taken more than 10 years for me to get comfy with who I am. But my born in the 90s kids are definitely more aware and more involved in taking good care of their mental health. I'm so grateful that this greater awareness is theirs for most of their lives. On another topic - check out Freakonomics guy Jeffrey Levitt and his analysis of how the drop in unwanted births from abortion and birth control is directly correlated to the later drop in criminality about 20 years later (see 1972/92 as an inflection point)
It's amazing to me just how many people call me "Sir"! I have very long hair and am large breasted! I dress in my uniform of a black suit and tie. They only look at my clothing to gender me! It drives me crazy!
This is so interesting! My cis-son, who will be 12 at the end of the month, has had long hair for most of his life. He is constantly mis-gendered as female. As a parent I cannot believe people only loom to his hair length, when he wears decidedly masculine clothing. It brings up the question, at what age does this shift occur? Is it culturally accepted that children dress in an androgynous/leaning masculine fashion until, I don't know, puberty? So much so that hair is the gender clue? Thankfully my son really doesn't care, and usually doesn't even notice the mistake. As an adult it has REALLY opened my eyes to not using binary pronouns unless I KNOW what their pronouns are. Anyway...ugh.. thanks for sticking around for this unexpected TedTalk, *lol*. Cheers!
Back in the 70s/80s I knew an art student who painted reclining male nudes. Even tho the sitter was obviously male, her paintings were often perceived as being of women, merely because of the pose..🤔
@@adriennebradywalker680 It drives me batty! When I was a kid, I was always mis-gendered. I am used to it now! But it amazes me that grown-ass people can't get past the clothes! Argh! **flips table**
@@annacatherinesendgikoski1965 I’m thankful I don’t usually get misgendered anymore, except for when it’s a deliberate attack from terfs. The world is weird.
My sister's oldest is 16 and it's great that they can talk to their parents openly about how they are feeling about certain things that my sister and I never would have discussed with our parents. It's also quite sad that my parents can be so closed minded. I was going through a severe mental health crisis as a teen and it's a small wonder that I got to a point I could pretend to be ok and made it to adulthood alive. My parents were oblivious at best and not understanding and angry at worst. It's so strange and cool to see how different each generation is and I'm glad we're continuing to push towards an inclusive and accepting culture
Just a German moment: ei is pronounced “eye.” Ie is pronounced “ee.” Reich (Ryke) means empire. Riech(en) (reeken) means “to smell.” Confusing ie/ei in German can make somebody you think you called “dear” to hear you call them “corpses.” 🤣
😂😂😂 as a linguistophile I love this. I missed her mispronunciation but will have to watch this again now just for that moment. Not in meanness, because I do it myself when trying to speak Hindi to my boyfriend or friends.
@@anzaia2164 while "Leiche" would be what we nowadays use, "Leib" is a poetic if not outdated way to say corpse. It can also be a bit of a euphemism and I heard people at funerals use it for the body since "Leiche" is not exactly a word you want to use for a loved one.
@@piawei3375 Leib for sure has that death connotation, but the word itself just means body. It can be used for dead and living people alike. Yes, it is a euphemism, but in the context of referring to someone, who is presumably alive, as your Lieb, and saying Leib by accident, you're not calling them a corpse, you're calling them your own body, which is arguably weirder.
Gen Z, god bless them. I only hope that this generation won‘t be eradicated by an ideology-induced world war, like so much of the flapper generation were.
yup, this video doesn't join up the dots towards the aftermath of uncontrolled radical thinking and a party mindset towards serious issues... eugenics, Nazism and Stalinism were not bugs, they were a feature. A lot of the Flapper generation who wrote when they were a little older (think A Dance to the Music of Time rather than F Scott Fitzgerald) acknowledged their collective guilt as well as their contribution. As a Millennial, I can see Gen Z going back to places - behind the Iron Curtain, into a cold war, and even back to sectarianism - that they have no memory of, so they don't appreciate the danger, whereas I can quite clearly remember the end of communism, for example, and the exposure of huge human rights abuses. While it is good to learn from young people's optimism and ideas, if you put them on a pedestal you forget to add what age gives you, which is experience. Dangerously, cancel culture etc. encourages young people to throw out that experience as morally compromised - they tend to put themselves as the most advanced, and older people as obstacles to their vision in that kind of reading of history.
It's really comforting as a gen-z to frankly be given some credit and spoken about with respect. I'm 18 and this is a WEIRD ass time to be entering the adult world
Love the video! I'm a gen z in college and I think you explained really well what people my age are living through. I wonder how gen alpha will be, being born into a world that is so much more socially progressive than the post 9/11 world I came into only a short time ago. It also makes me think about how in response to the gender-nonconformity and queer acceptance in the United States in the early 20th century led to the more conservative "values" of the 50's. There seems to be a pattern with the rise of anti-lgbtq+ bills being pushed.
Omg abby this video was so well done thank you so much! As a elder gen z (I was born in ‘98 and am a disabled nonbinary queer person) this video was not only super educational, but also really heart warming cause it’s not often that people discuss various generations with respect or nuance. The amount of time this must have taken to write and edit must have been significant, but damn is this video ever good.
May I just say that GenY and GenZ are the living generations that I think get along the best? There’s such positivity from one and the other, maybe humanity is finally going somewhere 😅
I am currently interning at a political nonprofit that will remain unnamed, and can I just say that the way you spoke about Gen Z and our whole generation is so much more respectful and empathetic than anything the big boss at this nonprofit has ever gone out of her way to express despite having a majority Gen Z staff. This really made my day right before having to go back to that hell for my last couple of weeks (I’m so happy to be able to take my talent elsewhere 😂). Thank you for your awesome videos!!
I always find it funny how history repeats itself. Everyone is uniquely them but at the end of the day we’re all just people and it’s easy to generalize and gloss over the details to create distance but at the end of it, people have always just been people which is why I love it when I learn things about history that I didn’t in school, most of time I learn more about the actual people
1) OMG this video is amazing!! Definitely sharing with my US History students to get them thinking… 2) I’m loving the “conversation-in-my-living room/kitchen/bathroom” style although I acknowledge how much more work it is to film/edit
As a millenial (born 1986) I totally agree on the mental health point. I have been suffering from mental health problems since I was 13. Everybody knew it: my family, my teachers, my classmates (who were for the most part responsible for it because they kept bullying me even when I developed Borderline). No one ever mentioned the possibility of psychotherapy. When I got older and went to college I studied to become a teacher. I often had nervous breakdowns and still didn't seek professional help because where I live you cannot become a "regular" teacher when you have had therapy. Only last year (!) did I seek professional help. And actually only because people on the internet have started to be so open about mental health. It was such a relief! But I still have a long way to go... Thank you GenZ for pointing me in the right direction!
Great video! Also, i'm glad that you mentioned the fact that communism is a sort of utopia and not very likely to actually work. I'm from an ex-soviet country and although i was born about 10 years after the fall of the USSR, i've heard all about it from my parents / grandparents / teachers etc, so i know that it was a horrible time and i would never wish a communist regime on my worst enemy. Sometimes it scares me that some of gen z does not seem to realize that living in a communist society sucks ass. I hope they're being ironic when calling themselves communists.. I agree that capitalism has a lot of problems but instead of changing the regime completely i think we should just do our best to fix those problems within capitalism. All regimes have their downsides and trust me, communism in way worse than capitalism.
As said by a brazilian modernist artist in his Anthropophagic Manifest: "I asked to a man what was the Right. He told me it was the guarantee of executing possibility. This man was called Galli Mathias. I ate him". (Oswald de Andrade, Manifesto Antropofágico, 1928). Footnote: the word Right, in this context, refers to ability/allowance of something. This manifest says to the brazilian people to never cease on pursuing our own identity, but, at the same time, not being afraid to take from foreign sources in doing so, hence the idea of anthropophagy: consuming, literally eating a person. Flappers, just as so many before and after them, still even before us Gen Z-ers, came to show how we can pursue the right of being ourselves. They came to show how we don't need to fit the patterns and molds that are given to us, but make our own from them. Those outrageously brave people. I ate them.
I would like to add "Bernice Bobs Her Hair" by F. Scott Fitzgerald. It is a good place to begin understanding his work and his true relationship with the 1920's. If one uses "The Great Gatsby" to try to find an understanding of the age, without a broader understanding of Fitzgerald and his complicated relationship with his own time, leads to a simplistic shallowness. (Abby, this essay is a clear representation of your deep, wide, subtle understanding.)
Can I just adopt Abby as my cool "time traveling" aunt please? Like for real I feel like we have the same creative chaos vibes when it comes to our projects. I personally listen to you while I go on my own "time travel" adventures to make my wardrobe piece by piece, by shopping, and soon by sewing.
Hell ya sociology!!! I’m in the last year of my major and honestly this video didn’t have to slap as hard as it did, it’s so well done and cool to listen and learn
Dude, I really appreciate your including a video of partnered Charleston! Solo Charleston was definitely a thing, but I think people also forget it was a partner dance.
Also generational trauma, being most Eastern European and native American I had to unlearn some of those habits and traits, but also learning and recognizing how horrible it was and moving on knowing the difference between caring for are community vs a fake idea of paradise
ALL OF THIS. Bi GenX (very end of, I guess Xennial?) here -- it's AMAZING that you came out with this now, since I recently made my Gen Z niece a "Flapper" dress for her birthday, and wrote a letter to her about it. I expressed the connection between 1920s and the 2020s much as you did here, and how explosive the earlier decade was for women's rights (yay voting!) and breaking other social norms. I told her I hoped she would continue to have the strength and courage of these girls/women and do her best for, and in, the world.
The difference between 1920 and 2020, people weren't offended by using he and she. If you are nonbinary, fine. But don't expect me to use the term they and act like I'm a horrible person because using he or she. Man or woman, like how dare I.
@@krystademilio1256 Nobody is offended by using he and she. I go by the pronouns she/her. But how **dare** we add one other pronoun to the mix, to show that another group of people exist.
It was a very small note but it was really appreciated that you mentioned all the groups that were affected by eugenics during WW2, especially the Romani. They do often get lost or not mentioned but they are humans and they did get killed during that time. Thank you for a great video!
My grandmother was a smidge too young to be a flapper, but the stories she told me and the stories her mother, my great grandmother told me, made me conscious of the similarities between the 1920’s and the 2020’s. I strongly relate to the parallels Abby discusses. Thank you Abby.
This Book (it's an ethnography), Growing up Queer: Kids and the remaking of LGBTQ Identity by Mary Robertson has some really wonderful things to say about Queer Theory and how LGBTQ youth in the early 2010s (particularly LGBTQ youth of color) shape their identities in a white, heteropatriarchal world. It was fascinating!
There’s also other similarities between Gen Z and the Lost Generation, as while much of Gen Z is super progressive, there is a not insignificant minority that is not progressive. If you can recall, the 1920s saw a revitalization of the KKK among conservative young folks, which is parallel to how many youths today fall for Trump and Trumpism, especially in rural areas and the South and Midwest. To be clear, I am a gay cis male gen z’er and I certainly relate to those gosh darned Bolshevists.
Yes good observation, the harder one part of society pushes the stronger the reaction will be. The more extreme changes also contribute to authoritarian tendencies because each side assumes if they could just be in charge they could eradicate/silence the other. And I do wonder how much “might makes right” and “history is written by the winners” plays into how we view the morality of these different ideas. 🤔
as a gen z elder i approve of this message, this is the first vid of yours I’ve seen and it was fascinating, I loved every second 💖 thanks for warming my heart and educating me
I love these videos where you break down modern cultural movements through a historical lens. This, and especially your modern aesthetisism video, really help recontextualize some of what I appreciate about the gen z culture. Thank you for your scholarship
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Petition to call Gen-Z, Zappers.
I'm Gen Z and I'm absolutely there for Zappers😂
Besides that, thank you Abby for this fabulous social overview, I loved the topic and would love to see more of this type of content! ❤️ And thank you for making such a strong public statement about my generation 😘
@AbbyCox can you listen to your vids before you put them out? The inserted clips are BLARING and don't match the same level of audio that your commentary portions are and it makes what is really great content very hard to watch. Love you hon.
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Meh... Gen z didn't make any huge statement yet..
all of the contrasting fashioncame in from millenials and even gen x.
they caught this trending already.
kpop for instance as example of gender clotuing breaking up... we have been hyping kpop for over a decade..
gen z is just BORN in this enviroment
This! History is taught so episodically that it took me forever to realize "Hey, all those flippy-skirted party girls had just lived through WW1 _and_ the 1918 flu. This makes perfect sense. Eat, drink and be merry, and all that jazz."
I honestly can't imagine what it must have been like coming of age during World War 1, especially in Europe & the UK....a whole generation wiped out...it really does explain the vibes of the 1920s 😂. I read Testament of Youth when I was in my early 20s and, honestly, that book changed my whole outlook on life...
@@AbbyCox Thanks for the book recommendation!
Memento mori. (What particularly fatal time was in very recent memory when that phrase was coined?)
@@AbbyCox The collapse of the stock market in 1929 is thought to be directly connected to the pandemic. It raged for 4 years in NYC and wiped out a lot of the elders in the population. So the 1920s started with a radically younger workforce and a huge loss of institutional knowledge. One theory is that with so many young men in charge led to a runaway economy--they literally couldn't see the collapse coming because they hadn't been alive long enough to have seen a recession/boom cycle and know it was inevitable.
In what way did World War 1 affect young women in the second decade of the 20th century.
I doubt if many of them actually got trench foot or were gassed or had limbs blown off.
It's not like they would have been suffering from shell shock.
And how does that compare to post 1945 and why was there not an equivalent generational response?
What social class were the flappers? Were working class women able to indulge in hedonistic lifestyles?
Asking for a friend 😉
“Every generation wants to be different than the one before” was what my dear sweet grandmother used to say. Born in 1899, she and her 18 year old sister moved to NYC in 1915. As seamstresses, tailors and theatrical costumers, they saw IT ALL in her 90+ years. We were blessed to have her guidance through Women’s Lib, my punk years, open discussions about sexuality and mental health (she worked with “shell shocked” soldiers after the Great War). She went from not having electricity or running water to microwave ovens, computers, cell phones and a bidet.
She LIVED a AMAZING life.
Omg! I wish I could've met her
What a gift to have known such a special woman. ❤ thank you for sharing her story.
She a queen 👑✨💅
this is amazing. thanks for sharing! it sounds so magical
It’s interesting to see Thrifting be a thing because Fast Fashion is literally being dumped on Third-World Countries and we have a warped version of thrifting in urban centres. Pray for us.
@@anniebell6846 I think you need to do more research... It's more wasteful than you think it is.
@@anniebell6846 I don't deny they get an income. A few dollars a week. However that income isn't sustainable for them or the world.
@@tashacano3324 I’m deleting this we’re on two different paths and I sense my opinion doesn’t sit well in these types of forums
@@anniebell6846 I hope you at least watched the video.
I want better for everyone. They deserve better wages & to not be forced to process the rest of the world's trash.
@@tashacano3324 they also deserve governments that care . This is one part of a movement towards bettering the world but my point was that in developing countries they are less wasteful. This was why I stopped engaging because my lived experience is different. I sit in a very privileged place where I can debate and not be directly effected. I commend anyone who can live by this ethos but a lot of people can’t due to external forces that I personally cannot effect . I don’t personally consume fast fashion often but I’m not able to see and make beautiful things like this community can .
Somewhere I heard that history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. This is a fascinating analysis of one of these rhyming couplets.
idk if it's anywhere else, but that phrase is in the music video for Kishi Bashi's song Violin Tsunami. Ah, google tells me that it's a Mark Twain quote, but I'm too lazy to verify if that's true or not lol.
Ooh
It's a phrase I use when teaching history at the collegiate level because repetition is easy to do (and dismiss), but discerning patterns is a crucial skill.
I think of it like the patterns of a spirograph, always with the same stencil but still unique in every rotation ;)
@@alekseimonizmirov1395 I'm glad you do because once that's put into perspective, a lot of times the puzzle pieces start clicking much more easily!
Quote of the Day: “…as an Elder Millennial here, I’m hypersensitive to the infantilisation of ‘the younger generation’…”
That one hit me in the millenial feelings too....
Truly, as they say, a mood. I thought it was BS when I was a teen, and I still think that now when my 38th birthday is just a few weeks away
Isn't that the truth. Like "bitch, some of us turn 40 this year!"
As a Gen X I can truly say that I agree with everything Abby said about the Flappers and Gen Z. Two generations I also admire.
Every generation before you, no doubt went through the same s**t. We did at the hands of our Boomer & Silent Gen parents, they did at the hands of thier parents.
Ironically, the more progressive Boomers (civil & women's rights activists in the 50's 60's & 70's) were probably kids of Flappers. Whilst the rest of their generation are kids of the majority of that generation who're collectively known as the Greatest Generation (not my name for them).
We're all sensitive to being looked down on as teens and twenty somethings. Some just forget how it feels to be belittled when they get older & have their own kids.
I sit somewhere in that weird end of Gen X beginning of Millennial.
Thank you for elaborating on the eugenics bit of that. As an Autistic/Neurodivergent woman, the role eugenics has played (and will unfortunately still tries to play thanks to groups like Autism $peaks) is extremely important to us but do minimally known to others, and tbh I was afraid you might gloss over it. In fact the term Asperger's (the diagnosis of which is officially a part of Autism thanks to the DSM-5) comes from Hans Asperger who was an Austrian physician, who assessed and determined which neurodivergent children were fit to exist in society and which were not and therefore were subjected to the same torture and eugenic treatment as Jewish folk. So yeah, eugenics is an important exception here, thank you again for taking the time to go over it.
I have always felt something off about “Asbergers” for the longest time - it always felt kind of weird and sketchy to me to separate people with the same neurotype into two categories based on how well they fit into neurotypical society. When I try to explain it to people they never know what I mean, now I can be like “well ya see….”
It's actually not a diagnosis anymore, they took it out of the official whatever, not DSM5 but I can't think of it, but obviously doctor bullshit bias means the language is alive and well (and everything else you said 💯 exactly) 👏👏
I feel like there's a lack of education and in-depth awareness about how disabled people were systemically murdered/"mercy killed" under the Nazi regime, and also how they copied eugenics from the USA. The forced sterilization of differently abled people was greenlit by the supreme court case Buck v. Bell and was still happening through the 1970s. It may be a lot less common now, but there are still instances of forced sterilizations in the USA to this day.
@@unfrgtblmemoriez The DSM6 or the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual 6th edition. which is the manual Doctors and insurance companies use to officially diagnose mental health disorders. Autism is now called Autism Spectrum Disorder or ASD rather then having a bunch of separate disorders. My daughter has a language delay so we were on the look out for ASD.
@@thehomeschoolinglibrarian the DSM-6 isn't out yet and won't be for a while since they only just released a revised version of the DSM-5. I think they're referring to the ICD-11 which is the catalogue used to report to the WHO.
I'm a Xennial. When I was first diagnosed with ADHD, C-PTSD, and more 13 years ago, I found a new passion in mental health advocacy. When people my age (late 20s at the time) and older found out about my diagnoses, they tried to shame and silence me. My advocacy has been focused on trying to make the world a more accepting place for my own children (and potentially future grandchildren) who are also neurodivergent. This was a hard fought battle for me. My children are adult Gen Z now, and the openness and honesty with which they and their friends discuss their mental health moves me. I'm seeing the fruit of my struggle and labor as my children not only have accurate diagnoses but are not ashamed of them. Beyond that, they think it's ludicrous that anyone would shame another person for their mental health or neurodevelopmental disorders. This progress makes me deeply happy. I've listened to them have very self-aware, affirming conversations with other gen Zers and I've cried with joy that they are not shackled with the stigmas of my generation and previous generations.
Fellow Xennial! Yeah, it was a rough time back then to have mental health issues or to struggle with sexuality & gender (several gay friends & a few trans that only recently came out). Thank you for keeping on promoting mental health & getting rid of stigmas!!!!
Hey thanks for mentioning NDs. It's a massive part of the 2020s. I got my autism diagnosis 2 years ago and how open gen z was what pushed me go and get the diagnosis. The psy was like why didn't your parents do this and they said we didn't want to put her in a box, she managed better then those kids. Now after education they are and I am as well getting better at valuing mental health as an issue as well and how my 'managing' at the expense of my mental health was really managing
Preach - I would add that the gen z peeps are able to discuss and claim these so openly because they have been brought up by (and taught by) millennials and gen x parents and teachers… 😁
It’s great to see our hard work paying off isn’t it? 🌈👍🏻
I'm so happy that mental health attitudes have changed so much. My Mother's family in the 40's had an Uncle that was put in a mental asylum (government mandated placement once he was diagnosed - and died there) because he had Epilepsy and Bi-polar diorder. It meant that her family had issues accepting or even talking about mental health problems and alcoholism was rife in her brothers and sisters. So sad.
@@margaretkaraba8161 yes! My grandfather was in the VA hospital for years due to shell shock (now known as PTSD) from WW2. He was diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia, but now we wonder if it was just the PTSD as the condition was poorly understood. He couldn't function well enough to be out of the hospital and miss most of his children's growing-up years. There was so much stigma attached to it, even just attached to being shell shocked which was viewed as weakness and shameful back then. I'm so glad we understand better today. His children don't address their mental health issues because they grew up in the shadow of his shame and the socialstigma around it. But some of my generation and my children's generation are making huge headway in the mental health arena. ❤❤❤
I shouldn’t be this excited that she knows what asexuality, aromanticism, and demisexuality is but I am. Awareness feels good
Visibility!
I know being aro/ace it's nice more people are recognizing and not excluding.
Yes!
Yes!
I was do shocked n excited when she mentioned us
I remember at the end of 2019 everyone was talking about "the 20's" coming back and turns out we were sorta right in some ways. Also: I nominate the buzzcut for being the new version of the 1920's bob
It low-key is tho!
Fun fact: The buzzcut haircut came into our culture via WWI soldiers shaving their heads to try to get rid of lice, which the trenches were teeming with. They came home war heroes with shaved heads, younger men/boys emulated it, the military adopted it as their official hairstyle, and a trend was born.
As someone who buzzed all their hair off and discovered how amazingly gender non-comforming it is, I agreed with that part of your statement!
@@hannahstewart5337 I did the same and I love that aspect of the hairstyle!
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As a nonbinary transwoman, it's difficult for us to be feminine without folks trying to actively kill us. But i would like to say that, Millenials and Gen Z both have made gender nonconformity mainstream and awesome.
as a black nonbinary genz(er)? it makes me really happy to see black transwomen being able to celebrate their identies proudly online, thank u for being so inspiring
How can one be a trans women and non binary sure trans and non binary but transwomen and non binary ?
@@carolinpurayidom4570 demigirls. (nonbinary =\= agender)
@@carolinpurayidom4570 the nature of gender is... messy. it's individual; it's social. for some nonbinary trans women (or transfemmes (yo) ), it comes down to the fact that trans women are perceived differently from cis women; our role in society is different, so some of us examine our own gender and go ".....yeah, i'm a woman in the way that the moon is a goddess or the sea a mother. let's go bbs"
@@carolinpurayidom4570 one can just feel like a woman, but disconnected from the binary. they could feel like they resonate with both labels and there are many other reasons. gender is a spectrum.
8:02 "Oh my God guys, let's wear low-rise jeans and pluck our eyebrows off"
As a 37 year old I felt that "NOO" in my bones!
Also: "older generations such as my own" - ouch.
I love this video.
I wonder if Abby researched the 'peanut'/hip-hugger jeans of the early 70s.
I'm 34 and just immature enough that I was ~1year too late to pluck my eyebrows
@@samit2658 you dodged a bullet there. :)
As a younger milenial/ older gen z NOOOOOOOO like I am happy I work now and can afford cool clothes but I don't want to be reminded of the pressure to have flat stomach to wear those horrible jeans (and I was like 7)
As a boomer, I would like to thank you for this video. We failed in our attempt to open the word to other views. I hope “Gen Z” will be successful in it’s attempt. All people need to be free to be themselves and not bound by what some politician decides our morals should be.
I don't think Boomers failed. I've known many amazing Boomers that have advocated for a better world & still do. (my parents- who stuck to their ideals when they could in various conservative small towns we lived in growing up) There's always a smaller # of people that are the true visionaries that stick to their vision, while many others pay lip service but don't really care (those were the ones that voted for Reagan!) We all owe something to those who come before, they teach & mentor us, and we in turn teach them as well.
boomers change society forever, what are you talking about??
@@werrutkyupnext yes, they did, by f*cking over future generations :)
Boomers only need to keep up their revolutionary ideas through this era. The work y’all have done in your young adult lives towards change has allowed the younger generations to run with it.
@@mariahsheehy5917 I don't think the Boomers failed. I think the Boomers got tricked. Like all generations, what they got right they got VERY right. What they got wrong, they got VERY wrong.
I saw a comparison from the generations to the stages of grief and ngl it was kind of accurate:
Silent generation = denial
Boomers = anger
Gen x = bargaining
Millenials = depression
Gen Z = accepatance
that fits eerily well
oddly fits
I would say… yeah, that fits. Worryingly well.
🤯😬😳
That's insane but it makes sense. The trauma causing grief must be WW1 or the rapid change that society went through as a result of technological advancement. Maybe without knowing we left something very important in the past or we did something to ourselves and ever since then we've been trying to cope
I agree with you about the eerie similarities between now and the interwar years! It is important to note that the 1920s also saw the concurrent rise of authoritarianism arising out of the pandemic, WWI and extreme income inequality. You touch upon this in your thoughtful remarks about eugenics. We can also include the rise of racial/ethnic violence (ex. 1921 Tulsa massacre, 1919 pogroms, etc...) Let's hope that this time the good side prevails.
I would argue that good HAS come out of the 1920s - BECAUSE eugenics is no longer a common practice (and I'm not aware of any fringes that still accept it, other than white nationalists), BECAUSE bitter roots of the Tulsa Massacre bore fruit in the Civil Rights movement (and we still aren't perfect, but we ARE better than we were... and so growing all the time), that we are aware and pushing back against recent anti-Semitism more than we had in past generations. We are, by no means perfect, but those Flappers of the 1920s broke ground that they later planted with the reforms of the 1960s/70s... for us to harvest. History is a long game, huh?
also during this time was the rise of residential schools for Native Americans and the further abuse and forced assimilation of children!
When I asked my grandma, who was a teen during the 20's and grew up in a conservative family, if she was a flapper (I was young & knew practically nothing about them) and she responded with distain that flappers were prostitutes. From what I know now and with this additional info from your vid, I realize that this must have been what her family told her from a purely reactionary perspective. It's funny too because from the pix of her twenties (and what started me to love historical dress), it was clear that she loved & wore the school-girl & fun masculine style dresses leftover from the 20s and into the 30's. It feels the same as conservatives now who ridicule gender non-conforming dress and categorize them as essentially wayward and influenced too much by the 'liberal media' (or of the Devil). lol
So you believe what a person from 2022 is historical researching vs someone who actually lived it. Interesting....this video was such a broad generalization.
Krysta DeMilio just because someone lived through the past doesn’t mean they’re a reliable source about certain topics. Individuals can have bias, so you shouldn’t just take what they say as fact.
I'd compare that attitude to conservatives like Candice Owens who berate people for wearing gender non-conforming clothing, while she's wearing blazers and other items that would've been considered too masculine only a half-century ago.
@@krystademilio1256 someone who hasnt lived trough something can look at it without any bias,not what they saw,but what they know
I like to think the hipster generation with all of its "ironic" liking of the old, and odd, and non conforming pushed for and evolved into Gen Zs acceptance of and support of much of those same things with out needing the attitude of "I must show disdain to look cool" and instead with a support and joyful acceptance of the odd, non conforming, and even old so long as it's not harmful
As a college art teacher I’m glad to see this correlation form someone else. I keep talking about on the parallels in class but I swear nowone else was seeing it!
This is something I too have realized in the past.
As a member of gen z, I really appreciate how, unlike many other gen z videos I've seen, you actually talk about us like ✨people✨ and not some newly discovered exotic species, so thx. I thought this video was very well thought out, and brought up a lot of interesting takes I haven't seen talked about before
I'm a millennial and I remember when MH was just beginning to be something you talk about. I was being interviewed for somebody's psychology study in 2010ish and I distinctly remember discussing how despite everyone talking about accepting MH, in reality at the time it was only ok to speak about how you had issues *in the past* and overcame them, but are definitely sane and normal now. I'm glad to see progress in this department now where you can actually openly talk about ongoing mental health issues.
THIS
@@LynnHermione you realize it might just be yours and a select few other countries right? It’s not always a “USA sucks thing” even though commonly yes it is. (Also i’m not American lol)
@@LynnHermione I'm from Ireland. Never even been to America.
@@LynnHermione Argentina ?
I am a Gen X, Pan/Demi, Queer (she/her, they/them) mom to a Gen Z, Cis, Hetero teenage boy nicknamed “Default Settings” by his large group of non-conforming friends. I adore him, and his friends! I flew out of the closet as Bi nearly 30 years ago, now, but always described myself by the definitions of Pan and Demi. I experienced quite a bit of discrimination on both sides back then. Now, my godson is out and proud as Trans in high school!! I love what Gen Z is doing, even if their humor sometimes eludes me. They continue to teach and lead by example every day, and I applaud them for it. Thanks for the reminder that history repeats itself!
You hint at it a lot…I think you’ve joined the ranks of zebras in the world…rare illnesses that don’t conform to the herds of horse illnesses, so to speak. If that’s so, I’m sorry. Chronic illness sucks. That being said, you’re not alone. I’ll always send good vibes your way in hopes for more good days than not, and for support on the not days. Love, light, and blessings to you, Jimmy, and the doggos.
I lol'd wayyyy too hard at "Default Settings" 😂😂 thank you for that! hugs! ❤️❤️❤️
That's the best nickname ever 😂
There is a story behind that moniker! share! 🤗
I hope one day to be a mom or mentor like you.
@@colleennikstenas4921
Judging by the original post, that story is simply that he’s a _lot_ more “typical” than his friends.
THANK YOU! I am a high school teacher and these kids are amazing! They are so tuned-in to the world and they obviously care about making things better. I tell them regularly they are amazing and they are so shocked and grateful to hear it because they are not used to adults telling them they are any good. I've had some kiddos even tear up about it.
I don't really have contact with him now, but my ex brother in law is gen z (born in 2001). He was my only window to their generation, and I have to say I'm so so impressed by them! His friend group had a situation a few years ago, when one girl found out she had an STD. She immediately told the person she slept with last, and they both notified the last few partners they had. Everyone went to the doctor and got tested, boys and girls. Everyone talked openly about it, there was no shame or humiliation. When he told me about it, he was just so casual, and I could not believe it. I kept remembering similar situations from my high school, and how wildly different it was for me, even though there is just 7 years difference between us.
Modern humor being akin to Dadaism is one of my favorite comparisons!! The history cycle is truly fascinating.
I looked up dadaism to help a friend the other day.
Half the results were memes.
I don't know if I'm surprised.
My daughter is Gen Z. Having spent a lot of time with her peers while she was in high school, I can honestly say I’m very impressed with this generation. They were born into a world of endless war, political strife, climate change and a pandemic. They have survived massive fires that destroyed whole neighborhoods and cities (we’re in CA and half our city burned down in 2017) and watched their loved ones die of disease. They are resilient. They are open and honest about their mental health, even with people outside of their friend group. They are accepting of other’s sexual identities and fight for equality. They care deeply about the health of our planet and are working to create change where they can. They are the leaders of tomorrow. If my parents’ generation would get out of the way, this Gen X mom has no doubt that these “kids” would make the world a healthier and happier place.
I'm from NorCal, are you? My county, and adjacent county burned to the actual ground in the Redwood Complex/Tubbs fire. The neighborhood I grew up in (including our house), burned to ash, actual ash. It looked like Hiroshima.
I'm old enough to be a Boomer, but also a practicing Hedge Witch, and happily an Entwife; having retired to a poor rural county to purchase a few acres. I actually enjoy learning new things & appreciate music created after my high school years. And ya, many of my old school friends shun me. That's ok, I'm busy mentoring youngsters & caring for folks critters.
@@florindalucero3236 yes I am. The night of the Tubbs fire was terrifying. The smoke. The falling ash and cinder. The hellish glow on the hills as the fire roared in our direction. We were lucky and our home was ok. So many of my friends were not as lucky.
@@brandyjean7015 I have to admit I have no clue what music is popular these days. My daughter is a classical musician who also loves all things 80s (1980s), so we are either listening to her current favorite compositions or the 80s station. 😂
@@historicallyfashioned even the 80s are too modern for some of my old school friends. Class of '71 here.
My favorite phrase I've learned recently (though it was actually coined by CS Lewis) is "chronological snobbery" which is basically our tendency to assume superiority over people from the past largely because of our progressive capabilities (that are generally thanks to the actions of the past generations) and looking at history through a usually narrow and unnuanced (is that a word?)lens.
I'm Gen Z. Love this video 💜🤍
I'm Belgian and there is a Belgian singer Stromae and a few months back he put out a song L'enfer which is about suicidal thoughts. It became super popular and it helped so many people of my generation, including me. He descriped exactly what it feels like and it shows that you're not alone. Also now for the first time, people didn't have to find the words themselves, they could just refer to the song and say "that's how i feel."
I've listened to that song so often, but i still get goose bumps every time. It hurts me and that's why i love it so much
My best friend Juni who lives in Belgium and I met on a My Chemical Romance message board back in 2004. EMO music has the exact same message. Gerard Way openly talked about his suicidal thoughts and how his depression impacted his life. Almost all EMO bands talked about their mental health. There is a charity called To Write Love On Her Arms that was at Warped Tour and very big in the scene that was a metal health line to call when you needed someone to talk to. Your comment made me happy to see how far we have gone but also sad because what you said is exactly what we said about MCR. The whole point of MCR was to save peoples life and they defiantly saved my life. I am happy that you have an artist to save yours. Sending lots of love and sunshine from California.
As a Gen Z who has always idolized flappers, I can’t tell you how happy this realization has made me. We are so similar to flappers!
As a GenXer, I can say, with all honesty, that I did once envy -and was angry at- Millennials, and later, Gen Z. I saw them having access to things we wish we'd had, but had to grow up without. That includes, but is not limited to, ready access to cell phones, an internet that worked so much better to connect people with jobs and such, to keep track of people without having to write letters (and then losing track of them anyway, no matter how hard you tried), and so much more.
We were mostly trying to survive in a world that really hated us. We'd no parents around till late, we had a key connected to a string, and tied around our neck, so we could get in the house, and take care of ourselves after school.
But then you have these wonderful new kids coming along. They take what we designed, and make it so, so much better. Here they are, protesting so much more than ever we could, really taking petitions and boycotts, walk-outs, and sit-ins, not asking for social change, but /demanding/ it!
Is it condescending if I say that I am so very, very proud of all you've been able to accomplish? If I say that you have my gratitude as an 'old lady', for all of the things you continue to fight for so hard? well, I am. I will continue to help the fight as much as I can, for as long as I can.
Keep up the good fight, my niblings.
GenX played the long game. We taught our kids to do what we couldn't.
Amen.
I get where you're coming from but what do you mean by the "no parents until late and carrying our house keys" part? I'm gen z and my mom works until late, and I also have to take my keys everywhere in order to be able to enter my house. I don't see how that's a generational thing, knowing both older and younger people who have/had parents working until late and also not that late.
Anyways, the rest of the comment was really nice
@@juli5945 Gen X is seen as the first latch-key kids. They were/are the first generation to have moms consistently working outside the home, and the first generation to typically come home to no adults. Does that mean no one experienced it prior to the 70s /80s? Of course not!! Does this mean that kids aren't coming home alone nowadays? Obviously not! Does that mean there were no stay at home parents? Nope, not that either. Simply that we/they were the first generation to have an overwhelming experience of coming home to no adults. (X-ennial who was a latch-key kid) One last thought - I had to call Mom when I got home for the day... but we didn't have Ring or anything else that allowed the parents to see who / what was going on. Not sure if that's a blessing or curse of your generation. ;)
@@thebookwyrmslair6757 It's a blessing.
The 50 year cycle. We are redoing the 70s who were redoing the 20s and yeah the "hey lets try the 20s again" jokes were all over Tumblr in late 19 and turned painfully ironic in march of 20. It is nice to see it isn't just skin deep and has more under the surface too
I understand why you only used Gen Z, because it’s more streamlined and gets people’s attention, but I’d argue it’s Millenials AND Gen Z who are both very similar to the flappers. All of this started with millennials and has been bolstered and taken to the next level by Gen Z. It’s a fight we’re both deeply entrenched in…and I couldn’t be more proud of us all who are fighting for change.
I think she is considering anybody under 30ish as gen z in the video? Seems like it anyway. I’m a 96 baby and therefore a younger millennial.
The way I see it (as a xennial) is that millennials walked so gen z could run
Yeah, I have to agree - I've been seeing most of this sort of thing amongst my peers (late Y's, nearing 30 now) as well as early-to-mid-Z's. (I don't see as many younger Z's due to various circumstances) Certainly a vast majority of the voices I see advocating for all the social change mentioned have been from people currently somewhere in their 20s, which span late Millennials AND early Zoomers in fairly equal portions.
Really, it doesn't downplay the impact Gen-Z is having to also give us Millennials some credit as well lol - we weren't just walking, we've been jogging for over a decade now
In the 1920s a lot of the parents of flappers had a pretty chill attitude to their kids social lives and styles. You could argue that millennials are like the observing parents watching and enjoying the cultural development but being a little too old to be on the forefront
@@alexandrac591 what is a xennial?
It brought me so much joy as a young, queer gen z adult to have my generation spoken of with so much maturity and respect. Thank you 💜
Also, this video must have been an absolute bitch to edit! I'm very impressed
Because you deserve it!
Another impeccably researched and thoroughly entertaining deep dive! I love your style of video essay and how you keep shaking things up.
Thank you! I had a lot of fun with the challenge of filming this one...but my mom was very happy for the quick visit from me 😂😂😂
I love how ADHD-friendly this video is. I have so much distraction that I can't even multitask watching it. :D
whats funny about this is an 'adhd friendly' video for me is if a bunch of random ass memes and sfx are thrown in LOL
only in 2022 you can see people treating their buzzfeed quiz diagnosed “adhd” be treated like a disability
@@user-id8ih :) for your information, i never did a single BuzzFeed test, maybe for my sexuality. and my adhd was actually brought up by my therapist. :))))) maybe don't prejudge next time. and to a certain, small degree, neurodivergence is kind of a disability.
Omg yes I noticed that too, I fucking love it
@@user-id8ih Honey, my psyhologyst broughtup the chances, because I had panic attack like shit. In a world which wasnt made to be ADHD friendly, it is a disability. Im happy i wasnt diagnosed as a child. My mother liked that she got a hyperactive child and she created a home which matched my needs. While I was struggeling with my studies and school in general, my art teachers loved me and one of them even encouraged my mother to take me for film castings. I couldnt do that because school was way too much. Thing is, if you put me in the right enviorment i will learn anything in no time. And the right enviorment would be right for neurotypical people too. You just need to make the class interesting. Disabilities arent called disabilities because they stop you from doing something. But because they dont fit into the enviorment of what we expect to the typical body to be.
What's oddly well timed is that I know a GenZer who is kinda obsessed with these nuances between the 1920s and the 2020s. She wants a Victory Garden when she gets her own place...but also wants a Stone circle made out of Goose Statures ...dubbed "THE GOOSE CULT."
Which is kinda interesting that many of us Millennials kinda dig that Industrial Age thing.
I'm a late Millennial i find that a lot of the gen Z social movements while on the surface seem good, have an inclination to be only social in nature and don't leave much room for nuance or conversation. I can see a lot gen already getting stuck in their ways (much like Boomers) as they were progressive in their day and age and don't need to change.
Agree. Millennials started these social movements and were having the nuanced discussions about them- Gen Z means very well but the vast majority of them are just repeating things they've heard from others, without really understanding what they mean or the context for them, and tend to have extremely black and white thinking about most issues.
I understand why they are rejecting everything that came before them, but they still need to learn about it to understand how we got to where we are today. That's the only way we can continue pushing these movements forward, rather than just deciding we've already got everything figured out.
@@revangerang it's important to understand that a lot of us gen Z people are very young and hence are not able to see the nuance of a situation. But I believe that would change as the years progress.
To be fair, gen z is still pretty young. For most of them, their brains haven't fully developed yet. They need guidance, yes, but if Us older folk do our part to guide them, then by the time they're old enough to be in positions of power then their plans and solutions will have had time to be fully fleshed out from idealistic to actually practical. They just need time and support is all.
@@mmmmyeah1849 For sure! I know I had to go through the same process (and still am).
But I guess the difference is that we started the conversations, or at least were there to witness them being started? So we naturally had more perspective on what it was like for us to collectively work through issues and change and grow.
Where I see a lot of Gen Z acting as if you can only be Good and Right or Bad and Wrong about something and never have simply misspoken, or come from a different set of experiences, or meant well but had bad info, etc.
So I guess that’s part of what I meant about Gen Z needing to understand the history of how we got here.
That even the ones they learned these things from probably once had internalized bigotry that was so pervasive they didn’t even realize it, whereas now 15 years later they would be shocked to read their own words. But at the time they truly thought they were progressive and were honestly already well ahead of their peers when it came to critically analyzing their thoughts and behaviors.
I agree with AquilaCat that it’s also up to us as their elders to not just teach them whether something is Right or Wrong, but to walk them through the critical thinking of WHY. (And of course we also need to listen to Gen Z if they tell us we haven’t unlearned everything wrong yet).
I’m procrastinating from errands so this got really long andhskkfkg but yeah tl;dr basically I just hope we can all really TALK and LISTEN to each other.
@@revangerang I have been doing a lot of spiritual work with a group of elders over the last few years. They have taught me the understanding that in our first half of life we MUST see things in a very binary way - good or bad, black or white, etc. - in order to build a healthy ego. It is only as we age and mature that those artifical binaries become constricting, as we start to glimpse that everything our egos and society want us to believe is important (money, things, connections) might not be all there is. (I would argue that Gen Z is grappling with this whole understanding of binary vs non-dual or third way thinking uniquely in the discussions around gender from such a young age, hence my firm belief that we are evolving as a species.) Richard Rohr's amazing book Falling Upward talks about the spirituality of the second half of life - and I would encourage it to both older, cranky codgers like myself who get exasperated with the "yunguns" trying to hold something as ALL good or bad... and those younger ones who are starting to find binaries constricting in all aspects of life. :) (BTW, you can be an 11 year old cancer survivor or orphan who has already felt the invitation and begun to walk the second half of life... just as you can be an 80 year old who refuses to grow from lived suffering and pain. It's not a chronological thing.)
So, I know that GenX doesn't actually exist, but for the most part GenZ are our kids. And a lot of their trends have deep roots in 90s culture (GenX's heyday). Normalization of tats & rainbow colored hair? Thank GenX. Young men wearing earrings, nail polish, and yes, even a dress or two, thank GenX. Riot Grrls, 3rd wave feminism, and environmentalism: GenX. Thrift store fashion? A huge trend in GenX's youth. Openness about Mental Health? See Prozac Nation and Girl Interrupted, we didn't get it fully down the field, but we got the ball rolling. Grunge, Post Punk, and "Alternative", yep, all from GenX. I could be way off base, but I would like to believe that the way we raised our kids may have at least a little to do with how awesome they are.
And to give total credit where credit is due, we (GenX) stole a lot of our values and aesthetics from our parents, the Hippies. Of course, we were completely aware that our parents had all sold out, which accounts for some of our apathy. But we were very inspired by their music, their fashion, and their early idealism.
Yup, this. All this. Why Gen X continues to be ignored (like we're all part of the Breakfast Club or some stuff...) included.
Every generation rebels in its own way. The massive social changes in the 1960s were partly the result of the stifling conformity of the 1950s, for example. I've noticed, over the long term, that while there may be backward steps at times, there is a long arc of progress.
That said, what happens to many of us as we age, and I say this as a 63-year-old gay man, is we get so goddamned tired of constantly fighting the same battles. I've lived long enough now to view the craziness now afoot in Florida, Texas, and other states as more of the same old shit, and it gets disheartening. The craziness won't last because, as you've pointed out, the current young adults do not support it, just as we (well many of us at least) did not support our parents' generation's inflexibility way back when.
You'd probably be surprised and this video doesn't point it out, but many gen z and millenials have recently been converted into conservatives. I'm actually expecting a backlash movement against all this "crazy new stuff", and a push to go back to simpler times from the younger generation in the coming years. It's already happening.
@@anascarlet Sure, OK.
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 Yep, mmm-hmmm.
As a gen z person, I def think the whole “war and plague” thing does lend itself to that combination of nihilism (“the world is fucked and we’re all gonna die horribly at the hands of the hell we’ve created”) and trying to make things better (“I’d rather not die horribly so let’s make this place not fucked”). I’ve thought often of how the pandemic and extreme social tensions of the past few years are symptomatic of a whole load of messed up societal standards and systems. There’s a particular incentive to rectify problems when the consequences blow up in your face. It was probably similar with the flappers - they came of age in a time when the world was a full on dumpster fire, so they had a lot of incentive to make it better.
I recognized this trend the most as I saw a LOT of the cis men around me tried nail polish for the first time in the last year without being influenced by each other or something like that... I love it!
Same and I love to see it
Listening (yes, not quite watching) to Abby whilst sewing a flowery blouse, because the weather here in the Arctic is very - meh - on this Easter Sunday. I only poked myself 2 times, once because I was giggling.
But I also didn't know until today, that the "This is fine" - dog has a voice. Very educational Abby. Well done!
I love how at least in the goth community where I'm from, and the people I interact with online, super long hair and skirts are becoming more popular, kinda like a reverse of the 20s. A lot of it is very pirate or cottagecore inspired, and like big super long colored mullets or soft curtain bangs are pretty common.
This video was really cool! My mom is appalled at me all the time for how comfortable and ok I am with dressing casual or not wearing bras. My boyfriend also has long hair and is totally cool wearing more “feminine” clothes or hairstyles i like making for him. I also get a lot of backlash about sharing my mental health issues from older generations saying that I’m searching for attention but really it’s because I am learning my limits and know that me talking about it might help someone else. I do little things all the time that are mildly inconvenient to me because I know/hope that they could have a ripple effect and make someone’s day better. Like what if the person who collects the karts in the store parking lot is having a bad day and that one kart stuck on the ledge is the one that pushes them over the edge and ruins their day? I could move it and maybe I saved them from reaching a breaking point, and if I didn’t, all it cost me was a few extra steps. Idk how people (particularly people my parents age) see a problem with that. My dad thinks climate change is a hoax so I told him “ok let’s just say that it is for a second, does doing things to help planet hurt u in anyway? If not, then why not do them? If you are right and it is a hoax then you have done no damage and if you are wrong and it isn’t a hoax then you might have actually helped!” I don’t know why I do these things or think this way because I definitely wasn’t raised too, it just feels like common sense and natural. We’re always told the golden rule growing up is to treat others the way we want to be treated, and yet those very same people who told us that are weirded out by it! I’m just confused. If someone feels more comfortable with different pronouns or a different name then hell yeah I’ll use those! It doesn’t hurt anyone and it helps them. If someone wants to go out in a thong a pasties cuz they feel good in it then hell yeah!!! It’s not for me but I respect it and admire their confidence! If my boyfriend wanted to paint his nails and wear a dress I would literally make it for him! Anyway this was sort of of topic and rambly but I wanted to ramble lol. Obviously I respect and am grateful for my parents (and I know they have a lot of unsolved issues) but I’m just confused. This video was really interesting, it’s nice to see that other people notice the same things and makes me hopeful for the future!
As a older millennial who is a chronic door holder and parking lot cart herder, I salute you. I definitely wasn't taught these things by my parents either. I think some of us just think more about others (not that people can't learn that too) because we've simply thought about it and it makes sense. I think it's wonderful that you're so considerate and I hope you have a great day!
Somewhere along the line we forgot about respecting our fellow humans. I find it bizarre that a society that placed such huge importance on politeness could be so very selective about which members received that politeness. The more marginalized people were added to the “whole”, the less emphasis was placed on politeness and respect to the point that there are arguments about using a simple pronoun to describe someone. It takes so little effort to just be kind and respectful, not only to those we share the planet with, but to the planet itself, and causes no harm. Thank you for your efforts in making the world a better place, and for leading by example. We’re lucky to have you!
I bloody love your attitude here. Keep being you as you're changing the world for the better. I've been fighting for a better environment since I was a teen in the 1980s and I get very sad sometimes that we don't seems to be much further on, but seeing the attitude that GenZ has about fighting to save the planet makes me feel like it's worth carrying on with striving to make a difference.
@@atinycrow you are so nice! Thank you! I hope you have a good day to!
@@TheMetatronGirl me too! We are always told to be respectful and nice but for some reason the people who told us that are selective with who and when they show respect to. Thank you! I didn’t expect Anyone to read my comment let alone be so nice!
Someone should make a video about the correlation between historical dressing and queer people, because while certainly most queer people don’t dress historically, there are still A LOT of queer people in the historical and vintage dressing communities.
Plus historical queer people’s dress! That’s a whole ‘nother topic, right there.
Especially in the goth or other dark alt communities where it's more historically inspired with like purple hair and piercings, I've seen lots of trans alt people in particular wear corsets and piratey blouses with super long mullets or curtain bangs and tight pants or long skirts
@@jennypaxton8159 Do you have any references to share? I would LOVE to learn more
@@yuuri9064 You could start with the Chevalier d’Eon (1700s), who presented as both a man and a woman at different times in their life. Very interesting person! Then there’s Thomas/Thomasine Hall in colonial America (1600s), who was the subject of court cases and drama on the subject of what they were allowed to wear and how they would live and present.
There are also people who weren’t necessarily queer, but changed the norms of dress, like women who disguised themselves as men to act as pirates or soldiers, or Mary Walker (Civil War doctor and to this day the only female Medal of Honor recipient). There’s a picture of her wearing usual women’s attire, but with the skirt short and trousers underneath. She also made herself a surgeon’s uniform to wear, and made it just like the men’s ones.
Yes! Both historical dress in queer communities and queer people in history are fascinating to me, as I’m obsessed with historical fashion and have recently decided I wanted to learn more about LGBTQIA+ stuff when i found out a couple of my friends were queer.
7:03 In Hindi, there’s a term called “Humare Zamaane Mein…” (‘In Our Time’) which is invoked anytime Boomers want to act superior. Hating Young People transcends borders 😵💫
Apparently every culture and language has it's "when I was your age"
Transcends time too, the ancient Roman politician Cato complained abt the younger generation in his day as well. It's like the more things change, the more they stay the same.
And time. There’s a lovely rant by Socrates about “young people these days” (meaning more than 2400 years ago).
@@DrinkYourNailPolish yeah I heard about some guy in grecian/roman antiquity complaining that "the youths" don't respect their parents and everyone wants to write a book.
like some old boomer nowadays would.
Portuguese has "No meu tempo...", which translates almost exactly the same (‘In My Time’)
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Fashion, wordplay, everything just rolls around over and over again. As a Gen X with a tail end Millennial and a Gen Z, it’s so interesting to see how 2 years makes such a difference in how they look at things. You always make such interesting content and I appreciate it 😘💜!
When I was 13/14 years old I did an assignment on the 'history of fashion'. My teacher commented when she handed back my work that she was really surprised as when I gave her my chosen topic (this assignment was a free choice) she thought it would be a random collection of photos and a few words - it wasn't. But the idea of studying fashion history in those days wasn't a viable one for me (the whole 1st generation child of post WW2 parents etc). Fast forward many years and I am inspired by your intellectual curiosity and
passion for this area and this presentation is an amazing example of this. I wonder if another aspect underpinning the ideas you presented is the search for identity and the way in which the social, political, cultural and economic context of the time (to mention a few) influence/impact on this through narrative and representations(my PhD was on identity so my brain went there straight away). I am semi -retired (that definitely dates me!) and my continued interactions with gen z(ers') is engaging, challenging, educational and hopeful.
Abby, I have been massively depressed and your video literally pulled me out of my head. Thank you for being supportive of progress and sharing the history of people’s desire to be themselves!
I literally just had this conversation with my gen Z daughter about her and her flapper great-grandmother and their similarities!
I'm an elder gen z so aka very late 90s, basically 2000s baby and i'm already enamoured with this video. i've always been actually been interested in 1920s fashion, the way the men and women played around with fashion is fascinating to me as a genderfluid person
Currently teaching Gatsby to my juniors and DAMN if this didn’t get me thinking about potential lesson plans. This was fascinating and absolutely accurate!
I used to make fun of this generation since the pandemic started, I was saying "What the hell, we are complaining because we have to stay home when people born around year 1900 likely went through Spanish flu, two world wars and the 1929 crisis!" Now in 2022 it seems that when it comes to tragic events we are catching up pretty quickly unfortunately... Other similarities Abby found are super interesting, especially the comparison between art/ meme culture.
Thinking that COVID and what is happening now politically compares to dealing with the first world war, the Spanish flu, and the Great Depression (the second world war was just another twist of the terrible knife)...their situation and ours today are not even remotely the same. They went through absolute hell back then and with a fraction of our current resources and abilities. People in the past are made of harder stuff than we are, they went through hell and back again to survive.
Man. Every time i watch a video deconstructing the past to recontextulise the present it makes me hyper curious as to how the now will be interpreted by future generations. What examples will they focus on, how their worldview shapes their understanding of what is now to me.
Maybe im just being weird, but im curious yknow
Gen Z has indeed done so much to make the world more open. As did the previous generation from the 1920s. What a great exploration. Cheers to the flappers of the past, present and future
I'm a millennial and I was desperate for the opportunity to do all these things gen-z is doing, but everyone around me made me feel like there was no room for me to exist as myself. I felt like I had to shove everything down until I had space to understand myself. Now as an adult I'm having to deal with my own lost youth as I lived it in forced denial because of the society I was born into. I think millennials helped give gen-z the room to be themselves just based on my own experiences of waiting to be free. I'd say its a generation group effort, with each generation getting a little closer to liberation. And people don't stop growing or learning when they become adults - that would be the same as being dead. We're all still growing and learning and pushing the boundaries to reaching our full potential together.
Yeah totally agree I’m a gen x and feel like it such a better place now as a lesbian / queer woman who came out in the 90s feel like I can finally be myself without fear. Used to wear more masculine clothes to work in the late 90s and I was told I was inappropriate can’t see that happening now. The world is changing for the better
I have been thinking of this theory with my best friend and now there’s a video essay on it. We appreciate the Academic Discourse.
"Gen Z has taken this groundwork whith that groundwork and ran with it, with that nihilistic entusiasm that we can only dream of while poppin' three ibupofrens at 4 pm" - hit me like a gentle slap in the face where I was; eating ice cream and reeling from a migraine episode.
That being said, love this comparison. Gen z: I salute you!
This was a fascinating video, as an ancient Gen X, I remember at the height of grunge members of Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden all wore dresses as a way of showing how ridiculous gender norms were - as well as vocal proponents for woman’s rights.
It’s all cyclical :)
My mom finished high school in the 1970s and was a child of older parents. My grandmother decided to actually go to school with my mom to make sure other girls were wearing pants before buying any for my mom!
1920s Paris has always sounded like a wild experience to me. It's near the top my list of times and places I'd visit if I found myself in a time travelling phone booth.
My great grandma was a flapper in Oakland, CA. She got a job at 13 just so she could afford to go out dancing!
Man did you hit this right on the head. I'm an old Millennial with a young Gen Z child that just happens to have a degree in history. The ties between GenZ and the Flappers are so interesting. They've grown up in a very similar time line. Children born just before a war (second Iraq war) to parents that experienced the collapse of what was a great country (2008 housing collapse/recession) who spent their young adult and teen years dealing with a global pandemic. Of course the reaction is towards the absurd, towards a desire to make things better! My 12 year old is much more aware of global issues than I ever was at that age. Her generation is singlet accepting of everyone. Gender? You do you. Fashion? That's cool, glad you like it. Hobbies? Sounds neat tell me about it. I'm not saying there isn't bullying and racism and all the other terrible things people do, I'm saying that the majority of them won't put up with it and will call others out on it. I truly admire them. They're empathetic, determined and frankly hilarious. I wish them well.
Great vid! As someone at the Gen X/Millennial crossover (born 1983 to Baby Boom parents), anyone who thinks that absurdist humour is unique to Gen Z needs to watch Monty Python's Flying Circus, made in the 1960s.
Or dadaism
Or asdfmovie. I know relatively speaking, it’s not that old, but it was most definitely not made by Genzie is my point. It’s just Genzie has a completely different brand of absurdism that I myself don’t get, but i’m ASDF movie is amazing
I've had depression since my teens, but identifiably since I was 21 when my mother died after 3 years of cancer fighting. Despite this, mentioning that I was depressed, on meds, in therapy - all this was shameful to share or discuss from the 80s to the 00s. When I finally recognized that both my kids were struggling with depression in the late 00s and early 10s, I stopped hiding it. It's taken more than 10 years for me to get comfy with who I am. But my born in the 90s kids are definitely more aware and more involved in taking good care of their mental health. I'm so grateful that this greater awareness is theirs for most of their lives.
On another topic - check out Freakonomics guy Jeffrey Levitt and his analysis of how the drop in unwanted births from abortion and birth control is directly correlated to the later drop in criminality about 20 years later (see 1972/92 as an inflection point)
It's amazing to me just how many people call me "Sir"! I have very long hair and am large breasted! I dress in my uniform of a black suit and tie. They only look at my clothing to gender me! It drives me crazy!
This is so interesting! My cis-son, who will be 12 at the end of the month, has had long hair for most of his life. He is constantly mis-gendered as female. As a parent I cannot believe people only loom to his hair length, when he wears decidedly masculine clothing.
It brings up the question, at what age does this shift occur? Is it culturally accepted that children dress in an androgynous/leaning masculine fashion until, I don't know, puberty? So much so that hair is the gender clue?
Thankfully my son really doesn't care, and usually doesn't even notice the mistake. As an adult it has REALLY opened my eyes to not using binary pronouns unless I KNOW what their pronouns are.
Anyway...ugh.. thanks for sticking around for this unexpected TedTalk, *lol*. Cheers!
Back in the 70s/80s I knew an art student who painted reclining male nudes. Even tho the sitter was obviously male, her paintings were often perceived as being of women, merely because of the pose..🤔
@@johannayaffe2647 Yes, probably because it's a submissive pose!
@@adriennebradywalker680 It drives me batty! When I was a kid, I was always mis-gendered. I am used to it now! But it amazes me that grown-ass people can't get past the clothes! Argh! **flips table**
@@annacatherinesendgikoski1965 I’m thankful I don’t usually get misgendered anymore, except for when it’s a deliberate attack from terfs. The world is weird.
My sister's oldest is 16 and it's great that they can talk to their parents openly about how they are feeling about certain things that my sister and I never would have discussed with our parents. It's also quite sad that my parents can be so closed minded. I was going through a severe mental health crisis as a teen and it's a small wonder that I got to a point I could pretend to be ok and made it to adulthood alive. My parents were oblivious at best and not understanding and angry at worst. It's so strange and cool to see how different each generation is and I'm glad we're continuing to push towards an inclusive and accepting culture
Just a German moment: ei is pronounced “eye.” Ie is pronounced “ee.” Reich (Ryke) means empire. Riech(en) (reeken) means “to smell.” Confusing ie/ei in German can make somebody you think you called “dear” to hear you call them “corpses.” 🤣
😂😂😂 as a linguistophile I love this. I missed her mispronunciation but will have to watch this again now just for that moment.
Not in meanness, because I do it myself when trying to speak Hindi to my boyfriend or friends.
What words are dear/corpse? Is it Lieb/Leib? Cause Leib just means body.
@@anzaia2164 while "Leiche" would be what we nowadays use, "Leib" is a poetic if not outdated way to say corpse. It can also be a bit of a euphemism and I heard people at funerals use it for the body since "Leiche" is not exactly a word you want to use for a loved one.
@@piawei3375 Leib for sure has that death connotation, but the word itself just means body. It can be used for dead and living people alike. Yes, it is a euphemism, but in the context of referring to someone, who is presumably alive, as your Lieb, and saying Leib by accident, you're not calling them a corpse, you're calling them your own body, which is arguably weirder.
@@anzaia2164 Lieber is (masculine) dear, Leiber is plural dead bodies. Which sounds like a band name.
Gen Z, god bless them. I only hope that this generation won‘t be eradicated by an ideology-induced world war, like so much of the flapper generation were.
yup, this video doesn't join up the dots towards the aftermath of uncontrolled radical thinking and a party mindset towards serious issues... eugenics, Nazism and Stalinism were not bugs, they were a feature. A lot of the Flapper generation who wrote when they were a little older (think A Dance to the Music of Time rather than F Scott Fitzgerald) acknowledged their collective guilt as well as their contribution.
As a Millennial, I can see Gen Z going back to places - behind the Iron Curtain, into a cold war, and even back to sectarianism - that they have no memory of, so they don't appreciate the danger, whereas I can quite clearly remember the end of communism, for example, and the exposure of huge human rights abuses. While it is good to learn from young people's optimism and ideas, if you put them on a pedestal you forget to add what age gives you, which is experience. Dangerously, cancel culture etc. encourages young people to throw out that experience as morally compromised - they tend to put themselves as the most advanced, and older people as obstacles to their vision in that kind of reading of history.
I feel like this is a very underrated comment, and extremely insightful
@@kahkah1986 Well said! Excellent and important comment you have made here. I wish more would read it and take it to heart. Blessings to you.
My thoughts exactly... if we are like people from the 1920s well then.. what about facism, was it not them who participated in it? :(
It's really comforting as a gen-z to frankly be given some credit and spoken about with respect. I'm 18 and this is a WEIRD ass time to be entering the adult world
Welcome to this weird ass adult world! :)
Love the video! I'm a gen z in college and I think you explained really well what people my age are living through. I wonder how gen alpha will be, being born into a world that is so much more socially progressive than the post 9/11 world I came into only a short time ago. It also makes me think about how in response to the gender-nonconformity and queer acceptance in the United States in the early 20th century led to the more conservative "values" of the 50's. There seems to be a pattern with the rise of anti-lgbtq+ bills being pushed.
As long as we actually beat fascism this time around and support labor movements we might be able to avoid the mid-century reactionary bullshit
This makes me really sentimental actually. I love it! Gen Z embodies the "warrior in the garden mentality".
Omg abby this video was so well done thank you so much! As a elder gen z (I was born in ‘98 and am a disabled nonbinary queer person) this video was not only super educational, but also really heart warming cause it’s not often that people discuss various generations with respect or nuance. The amount of time this must have taken to write and edit must have been significant, but damn is this video ever good.
May I just say that GenY and GenZ are the living generations that I think get along the best? There’s such positivity from one and the other, maybe humanity is finally going somewhere 😅
I am currently interning at a political nonprofit that will remain unnamed, and can I just say that the way you spoke about Gen Z and our whole generation is so much more respectful and empathetic than anything the big boss at this nonprofit has ever gone out of her way to express despite having a majority Gen Z staff. This really made my day right before having to go back to that hell for my last couple of weeks (I’m so happy to be able to take my talent elsewhere 😂). Thank you for your awesome videos!!
My favorite part of this video is knowing that Abby shops at Aldi. Also everything else in this video.
We didn't have an Aldi in Reno, so the fact that there are 2 in town is just...the best thing ever for us. 😂😂😂
Always remember: leaving a quarter in the Aldi shopping cart is working class solidarity.
I always find it funny how history repeats itself. Everyone is uniquely them but at the end of the day we’re all just people and it’s easy to generalize and gloss over the details to create distance but at the end of it, people have always just been people which is why I love it when I learn things about history that I didn’t in school, most of time I learn more about the actual people
1) OMG this video is amazing!! Definitely sharing with my US History students to get them thinking…
2) I’m loving the “conversation-in-my-living room/kitchen/bathroom” style although I acknowledge how much more work it is to film/edit
I had a unit on 1920s america in class last year and this was my immediate association! I'm so glad people are talking about the similarities
ADORED this video. This is what university lectures think they’re but aren’t. THANK YOU ABBY
As a millenial (born 1986) I totally agree on the mental health point. I have been suffering from mental health problems since I was 13. Everybody knew it: my family, my teachers, my classmates (who were for the most part responsible for it because they kept bullying me even when I developed Borderline). No one ever mentioned the possibility of psychotherapy. When I got older and went to college I studied to become a teacher. I often had nervous breakdowns and still didn't seek professional help because where I live you cannot become a "regular" teacher when you have had therapy. Only last year (!) did I seek professional help. And actually only because people on the internet have started to be so open about mental health. It was such a relief! But I still have a long way to go... Thank you GenZ for pointing me in the right direction!
Abby! This is so good! I'm a millennial teaching HS history to Gen z-ers and I found this video so refreshing. So relatable. They're doing great!
“With the exposing and slandering of old fogeys-“
All I can think of is: OK pre-Boomer. 🤣
This was a good comparison! (Also an elder millennial here.)
OK Edwardian?
I cannot imagine the vitriol that would come from a Victorian or Edwardian granny if a flapper "ok vicky'd" her...the third degree burns 😂😂😂😂
Great video! Also, i'm glad that you mentioned the fact that communism is a sort of utopia and not very likely to actually work. I'm from an ex-soviet country and although i was born about 10 years after the fall of the USSR, i've heard all about it from my parents / grandparents / teachers etc, so i know that it was a horrible time and i would never wish a communist regime on my worst enemy. Sometimes it scares me that some of gen z does not seem to realize that living in a communist society sucks ass. I hope they're being ironic when calling themselves communists.. I agree that capitalism has a lot of problems but instead of changing the regime completely i think we should just do our best to fix those problems within capitalism. All regimes have their downsides and trust me, communism in way worse than capitalism.
I like what Elizabeth Warren said about what the US has now is NOT capitalism - it's monopoly masquerading as capitalism. So true.
As said by a brazilian modernist artist in his Anthropophagic Manifest: "I asked to a man what was the Right. He told me it was the guarantee of executing possibility. This man was called Galli Mathias. I ate him". (Oswald de Andrade, Manifesto Antropofágico, 1928). Footnote: the word Right, in this context, refers to ability/allowance of something.
This manifest says to the brazilian people to never cease on pursuing our own identity, but, at the same time, not being afraid to take from foreign sources in doing so, hence the idea of anthropophagy: consuming, literally eating a person.
Flappers, just as so many before and after them, still even before us Gen Z-ers, came to show how we can pursue the right of being ourselves. They came to show how we don't need to fit the patterns and molds that are given to us, but make our own from them.
Those outrageously brave people. I ate them.
I would like to add "Bernice Bobs Her Hair" by F. Scott Fitzgerald. It is a good place to begin understanding his work and his true relationship with the 1920's. If one uses "The Great Gatsby" to try to find an understanding of the age, without a broader understanding of Fitzgerald and his complicated relationship with his own time, leads to a simplistic shallowness. (Abby, this essay is a clear representation of your deep, wide, subtle understanding.)
Can I just adopt Abby as my cool "time traveling" aunt please? Like for real I feel like we have the same creative chaos vibes when it comes to our projects. I personally listen to you while I go on my own "time travel" adventures to make my wardrobe piece by piece, by shopping, and soon by sewing.
I played a game with my high schoolers called “twenties or tiktok” and it was a lot of fun! They were surprised by the amount of overlap!
The Sociologist in me is SO EXCITED by this video and I’m here for it YASSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Hell ya sociology!!! I’m in the last year of my major and honestly this video didn’t have to slap as hard as it did, it’s so well done and cool to listen and learn
@@lavendermenace8078 I’m happy you felt that way.
Dude, I really appreciate your including a video of partnered Charleston! Solo Charleston was definitely a thing, but I think people also forget it was a partner dance.
Also generational trauma, being most Eastern European and native American I had to unlearn some of those habits and traits, but also learning and recognizing how horrible it was and moving on
knowing the difference between caring for are community vs a fake idea of paradise
ALL OF THIS. Bi GenX (very end of, I guess Xennial?) here -- it's AMAZING that you came out with this now, since I recently made my Gen Z niece a "Flapper" dress for her birthday, and wrote a letter to her about it. I expressed the connection between 1920s and the 2020s much as you did here, and how explosive the earlier decade was for women's rights (yay voting!) and breaking other social norms. I told her I hoped she would continue to have the strength and courage of these girls/women and do her best for, and in, the world.
The difference between 1920 and 2020, people weren't offended by using he and she. If you are nonbinary, fine. But don't expect me to use the term they and act like I'm a horrible person because using he or she. Man or woman, like how dare I.
@@krystademilio1256 Nobody is offended by using he and she. I go by the pronouns she/her. But how **dare** we add one other pronoun to the mix, to show that another group of people exist.
It was a very small note but it was really appreciated that you mentioned all the groups that were affected by eugenics during WW2, especially the Romani. They do often get lost or not mentioned but they are humans and they did get killed during that time. Thank you for a great video!
Abby standing there with the half and half lingering in her hand for a solid few minutes while going on a historical rant was very relatable
My grandmother was a smidge too young to be a flapper, but the stories she told me and the stories her mother, my great grandmother told me, made me conscious of the similarities between the 1920’s and the 2020’s. I strongly relate to the parallels Abby discusses.
Thank you Abby.
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Same for me about the mental health. Thanks you younger folks on TikTok. I started therapy this year.
This Book (it's an ethnography), Growing up Queer: Kids and the remaking of LGBTQ Identity by Mary Robertson has some really wonderful things to say about Queer Theory and how LGBTQ youth in the early 2010s (particularly LGBTQ youth of color) shape their identities in a white, heteropatriarchal world. It was fascinating!
There’s also other similarities between Gen Z and the Lost Generation, as while much of Gen Z is super progressive, there is a not insignificant minority that is not progressive. If you can recall, the 1920s saw a revitalization of the KKK among conservative young folks, which is parallel to how many youths today fall for Trump and Trumpism, especially in rural areas and the South and Midwest. To be clear, I am a gay cis male gen z’er and I certainly relate to those gosh darned Bolshevists.
Yes good observation, the harder one part of society pushes the stronger the reaction will be. The more extreme changes also contribute to authoritarian tendencies because each side assumes if they could just be in charge they could eradicate/silence the other. And I do wonder how much “might makes right” and “history is written by the winners” plays into how we view the morality of these different ideas. 🤔
as a gen z elder i approve of this message, this is the first vid of yours I’ve seen and it was fascinating, I loved every second 💖 thanks for warming my heart and educating me
I love these videos where you break down modern cultural movements through a historical lens. This, and especially your modern aesthetisism video, really help recontextualize some of what I appreciate about the gen z culture. Thank you for your scholarship
Thank you, Abby, for being one of our favourite Wine Ladies and an Enabler of Gen Z Flappers 👏🏽
my view on fashion has always been
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wear what you ef**** want to wear.
side note: Harry styles looks awesome and I want that dress 😆