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  • @comicpop
    @comicpop  ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Buy The Authority right here! amzn.to/3G5haHp

    • @changvasejarik62
      @changvasejarik62 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Think you’ll ever review captain atom Armageddon?

    • @hillelrodarte5385
      @hillelrodarte5385 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was only a matter of time! Y’all are so awesome you brighten all our days. Now enough smoke when are you guys doing Alex Ross’s Justice?!!! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @mrsundaymovies
    @mrsundaymovies ปีที่แล้ว +378

    If you guys were a Kevin Smith movie it would be Dogma as opposed to Cop Out

    • @comicpop
      @comicpop  ปีที่แล้ว +114

      Snoogans.

    • @DastardlyDavid69
      @DastardlyDavid69 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      2 of my favorite channels interacting. what a time to be alive.

    • @mrkrubbykrubs5378
      @mrkrubbykrubs5378 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If you guys were a Kevin James movie it would be grown ups 2 as opposed to pixels

    • @anothercleverusername992
      @anothercleverusername992 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The greatest compliment I've ever heard

    • @Gronmin
      @Gronmin ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@DastardlyDavid69 comic pop also did an episode on Mr. Sunday's channel if you haven't seen that

  • @scoobers90
    @scoobers90 ปีที่แล้ว +290

    You know you're gonna have a good time when Sal dips into the "I never though we'd do this." pile.

  • @Sqoobthedude
    @Sqoobthedude ปีที่แล้ว +174

    32 minutes of explaining the team has to be a new record for any comic pop episode. What a Great episode, i love that book.

    • @Nastyn1nja808
      @Nastyn1nja808 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Me too lol I read this stuff at least 15 years ago. Can't believe we might get a movie lol

    • @blueray2174
      @blueray2174 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Is wrong that by the end, I was expecting a "this leads into Onslaught?!"

  • @Dr.Deagle.
    @Dr.Deagle. ปีที่แล้ว +102

    I love how in 2023 it's almost tradition to start with a "Here's a book I never thought we'd be doing". 😂

  • @zaengo
    @zaengo ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I love books like this as subjects for Back Issues- so much of the magic is in the art, so Sal trying to explain it in words leaves them like "what are you even talking about" and he can only respond "no, i know but trust me it's badass"
    i feel like that's a feeling any comic book fan can relate to

  • @JShocks7
    @JShocks7 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Just wanna say I love how Cammy's Street Fighter 6 design is very Jenny Sparks-esque

    • @Nastyn1nja808
      @Nastyn1nja808 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yups

    • @langleymneely
      @langleymneely ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Omg it is! I never even thought of it that way!? Lol

  • @Depthcharge2030
    @Depthcharge2030 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Now we just need James Gunn to announce a Planetary movie so Sal can introduce the rest of the cast some insane archeologists

    • @antdujar
      @antdujar ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And of the greatest books ever in comics. That and I think is Ellis’s best work.

    • @grey011680
      @grey011680 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can we just have the Planetary

  • @langleymneely
    @langleymneely ปีที่แล้ว +9

    55:53 The look of disgust on Tiffany’s face says it ALL!! LMAO!🤣

  • @Grievousish
    @Grievousish ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Certainly a weird book to feature on my Birthday Back Issues but any ComicPOP video is a great ComicPOP video

  • @Ducaso
    @Ducaso ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I love the begin of an episode when Sal gives us a lore lesson not only on the book, but the wider comic industry of the times.

  • @Sicod79
    @Sicod79 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    The Authority, much like Planetary, is an incredibly fun ride with awesome art, and characterization.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka ปีที่แล้ว +5

      lol indeed

    • @Nastyn1nja808
      @Nastyn1nja808 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Hell yah !!! Anybody ever read Global Frequency???

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Nastyn1nja808 nope never read or heard of it

    • @Nastyn1nja808
      @Nastyn1nja808 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TevyaSmolka it's fun. Try it or you know whatever.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nastyn1nja808 that does sound fun 🤩

  • @Henderson10666
    @Henderson10666 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I think that since Superman: Legacy comes before The Authority that Gunn is going to do "What's so Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Dream", but instead of the Elite he'll fight the Authority. Then again I might be reaching

    • @TickleMyNonos
      @TickleMyNonos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cool idea but yeah I don't think they're doing that, they'll fight but just because the Authority are a bunch of stupid assholes

  • @TommyWest.
    @TommyWest. ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Two things I sometimes fall asleep to... Back Issues playlist on repeat, and Caravan of Garbage on repeat. Today I thought, where did I hear Sal talking about Mr. Sunday? Did i dream it?
    I think Comic Pop is like Clerks and Weekly Planet is like Clerks 2.

  • @tylersaez4095
    @tylersaez4095 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This was very educational. I didn't realize how much stuff from Wildstorm actually got folded into the main universe.

  • @Vergil7553
    @Vergil7553 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @19:42 Sal does one helluva spot-on impression of Mr Sunday and mason!

  • @karl_alan
    @karl_alan ปีที่แล้ว +2

    26:15 wow...big brain on Ethan, doing head math of liquid measurement conversions

  • @725TommyG
    @725TommyG ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Lmao the Kevin Smith, Edgar Right comparison was spot on! Love the mutual admiration for two of my favorites

  • @Cro-EYE
    @Cro-EYE ปีที่แล้ว +27

    currently been doing a readthrough of the wildstorm universe, so this is dope to see. this period from the late 90s to early 2000s with stormwatch into the authority, wildcats 3.0, sleeper, planetary, mr majestic, automatic kafka etc was genuinely probably the most consistently good line of superhero books in a single universe ever printed

    • @Skipntosh
      @Skipntosh ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I just finished reading Automatic Kafka a few months ago. It was AWESOME!!!

    • @Cro-EYE
      @Cro-EYE ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Skipntosh yeah I love that book so much. it’s kind of amazing it was allowed to be made at all at a mainstream publisher, even if it only lasted 9 issues

  • @antdujar
    @antdujar ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Now I hope to see you guys cover planetary one day. I loved the authority because it was different, but I love planetary for all the same reasons and more. Arguably a series that doesn’t get as much mention as it should, but a beautiful one nonetheless (despite the disappointing reality of Ellis’s controversy a few years ago). Prior to that, I remember just enjoying that book so much long before The whole ellis controversy. I still enjoy it. Easily Elli’s best work. As always, a joy seeing you guys cover comics is always a joy, Comic Pop!

  • @raphaelzxa3729
    @raphaelzxa3729 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The Authority Vol 2 coming when? I can't wait to you guys talk about the fakengers, the hospital scene, the drill, the doctor and a bunch of insane shit that only Mark Miller can make.

  • @markhalm9889
    @markhalm9889 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I actually found you guys through that Mr Sunday video you did for Morbius. Cheers!

  • @yabbadabbindude
    @yabbadabbindude ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Introducing concept after concept... Tiffany tortured AF "oh gawd" 😂

  • @trevorghalt1881
    @trevorghalt1881 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Midnighter and Apollo are my favorite and Jack powers sounds pretty interesting and cool also the Doctor and the Engineer sounds interesting too

  • @nathanbumgarner7061
    @nathanbumgarner7061 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My dog passed away today i really needed this upload ❤ sending lots of love your way today thank you for being here every Wednesday:)

    • @Bryan-gy2zu
      @Bryan-gy2zu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry for your loss. I know how it feels. I can only speak for my experience but holding onto the good memories of the time we'd spent together did a world of wonders.

  • @eqs1782
    @eqs1782 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just watched Nando V Movies' Fancasting of the Authority and it made me want to rewatch this episode.

  • @LeaCaballero
    @LeaCaballero ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Frank Quitely is one of the greats. Cannot believe some people dislike him! I respect their opinions OF COURSE, but he is truly amazing!

  • @toprakbayder6074
    @toprakbayder6074 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Maybe the DC movie will be adapting "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" But instead of the Elite it will use The Authority

  • @flywheelshyster
    @flywheelshyster ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Holy hell you just keep doing banger after banger, comicPOP is 🔥 baby ya!

    • @comicpop
      @comicpop  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      More to come!

  • @curtisharris966
    @curtisharris966 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Tiffany's reactions to the Authority comic are killing me.😂😂😂💀💀💀

  • @trevorghalt1881
    @trevorghalt1881 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It runs on 25 dreams per second is so random and I love it also 35:14 lmao

  • @eqs1782
    @eqs1782 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Well Sal you changed my perception on the Authority and making me want to read this and excited to see how james will adapt this into a movie

  • @notavailable8514
    @notavailable8514 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Another great show!
    ... Tinny itty bitty bit of constructive criticism, that I offer with kindness in my heart and all the love in the world... Tiffany's mic sounds like it's underwater.

    • @TheRealZubes
      @TheRealZubes ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah, Sal noticed this while editing, but since this content is all off the cuff we couldn't recreate it. We had noticed some strangeness with Ben's audio for a few shows but thought it might be placement. It wasn't until I was using it that we discovered it was just going. A replacement was ordered and already used. 😊

    • @notavailable8514
      @notavailable8514 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheRealZubes YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST! Love the show! Keep up the incredible work! :)

    • @TheRealZubes
      @TheRealZubes ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Not Available 💕 thank you for caring enough to tell us! Sal used the new mics last week and they apparently sounded really good!!

  • @JShocks7
    @JShocks7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It's really cool that yall did the Authority because about 2 months ago I saw the omnibus for it at my LCS and just bought it out of pure collecting. Reading it, I had a fun time lol

  • @Mike-jy4bu
    @Mike-jy4bu ปีที่แล้ว +4

    if only you guys could see my face of confusion during this entire episode. Loved it

  • @Veki13
    @Veki13 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was not expecting a Kevin Smith reference from Tiffany and I cracked up.

  • @ironsubculture9499
    @ironsubculture9499 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One of my favorite graphic novels! I'm sure the creation of The Authority gave us things like "The Boys." If The Authority didn't get people thinking it may have come around but years later...

  • @godzy323
    @godzy323 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love How Mr Sunday Movies and Comicpop watches each others stuff. Now if only we can get them to meet!!

  • @willcrouch2359
    @willcrouch2359 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So glad this became a Mr. Sunday love letter at the end there ☺️

  • @mttylerdurden9
    @mttylerdurden9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I would love to see you guys do Transmetropolitan next

  • @stephenpastran4998
    @stephenpastran4998 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loved this episode! Sal and crew, planetary episode maybe? At its core it’s a pulp book and I really dig that. I also love how episodic the book is. Would make for a fun conversation.

  • @superluigiac
    @superluigiac ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really fun nod to the Weekly Planet at the end, Mr Sunday Movies and that other guy are great

  • @5FingerBallad
    @5FingerBallad ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm gonna be honest, this episode is addictive to re-listen. Great job giving more (and honest) exposure about The Authority.

  • @the-nothingman
    @the-nothingman ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I love The Authority and I never thought I see it covered here

    • @HungL0W
      @HungL0W ปีที่แล้ว

      Did Sal do it justice or did he uncharitbly frame it?

    • @the-nothingman
      @the-nothingman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HungL0W little of column A and a little of column B, the usual Back Issues treatment

  • @Alistair3900
    @Alistair3900 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Complete coincidence, but I love that this came out the week after Gamorra and Kaizen Gamorra's family are part of the major plot of a Black Label comic in Waller vs Wildstorm

  • @antoniuspoe9945
    @antoniuspoe9945 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Over 30 minutes just to set this up. I love it.

  • @beebaa5946
    @beebaa5946 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes!! I'm so excited!!I always hoped you would cover the Authority but never expected to actually see this! Thank you so much! This was really fun! I also liked the zensor thing. That was nice. Thank you

  • @nathanchaffin6380
    @nathanchaffin6380 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of these days, id love to see James and Mason on the comic pop couch. Thats the dream.

  • @davidpledger9842
    @davidpledger9842 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Tiffany with the old muffled 🎤

  • @braei3429
    @braei3429 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mr Sunday is how I found your channel! Love to see the love!

  • @karl_alan
    @karl_alan ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yay! I just read this for the first time a couple months ago. Thanks for hilighting a less than popular/mainstream work

  • @raistlinmajere5550
    @raistlinmajere5550 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The Midnighter and Apollo are the best dads ever and i love them both so much

  • @mikhaelgribkov4117
    @mikhaelgribkov4117 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mention of Grant Morrison is funny, considering after Mark Miller they're also will take swing at Authority.

  • @freack3333
    @freack3333 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its got some cool out there concepts for sure, but its just so dumb and blunt. Might makes right and violence is the solution to any problem. Tiffany's reaction at around 1:17:30 sums up this comic.

  • @user-id6po7lw2o
    @user-id6po7lw2o ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I look forward to the day when Sal introdues the group to Transmetropolitan.

  • @3faltigeralexandro
    @3faltigeralexandro ปีที่แล้ว +9

    There has been at least another surviving "century baby" besides Jenny Sparks: Elijah Snow, over in "Planetary" (also the two are confirmed to have shagged up in the past).

    • @calsh14
      @calsh14 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not to mention the Axel guy Elijah and Planetary rescue

  • @nigelflood7074
    @nigelflood7074 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been loving the mix of titles covered lately on Comic Pop .

  • @dane.2294
    @dane.2294 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've wanted this for so long. Thank you so much!

  • @comixproviderftw_02
    @comixproviderftw_02 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    James Gunn’s potentially new breakout team

  • @StoickTheTired
    @StoickTheTired ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm walking my friends through One Piece and I started doing Sal's patent "... now I know what you're thinking..." technique: answering several questions in one go

  • @joeclarke7982
    @joeclarke7982 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think an episode of Tiffany doing Promethea by Moore would be pretty amazing

    • @joeclarke7982
      @joeclarke7982 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@damienkakoschke3099 and if not I'm sure she would love it

  • @bensneb360
    @bensneb360 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I cannot hear the word authority without thinking of Eric Cartman screaming… Respect my authority lol

  • @cubencis
    @cubencis ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An old favorite. Shocked to see it covered even after the announcement. Excited to watch this one 🎉

  • @Cairoarena
    @Cairoarena ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great i love hearing about teams i didnt read, thank you for this, i may need to pick up this volume only because its so awesome. also strangly Tiffany was slightly muted in comparrison to Sal and Ethan

    • @TheRealZubes
      @TheRealZubes ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, Sal definitely noticed this while editing, but since this content is all off the cuff we couldn't recreate it. We had noticed some strangeness with Ben's audio for a few shows but thought it might be placement. It wasn't until I was using it that we discovered it was just going. A replacement was ordered and already used. 😊

  • @architeuthis3476
    @architeuthis3476 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think I first encountered the idea that time travel means arriving in the same point in space where the Earth isn't as in a _2000 AD_ series called _The VCs_ (which I probably read 10 years ago but was written in the 1970s) in which there's a gun that shoots its targets a few days back in time.
    And yes, I talk about the galaxy's greatest comic a lot in the comments of these videos, but _The VCs,_ while not terrible, isn't the kind of thing I think everyone needs to read ...although I'll gladly suggest some _2000 AD_ titles I DO think everyone needs to read if anyone wants to have that discussion.

  • @patrickbroome5427
    @patrickbroome5427 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The theory I have heard is that they are setting up the Authority with the film to later use them as a standin for superman vs the Elite somewhere down the line, which would make sense.

  • @fatsfazoul
    @fatsfazoul ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Terrific episode! Equal parts informative and hilarious, as expected.
    Was Tiffany's mic upside down or something? She sounded kinda muffled.

    • @TheRealZubes
      @TheRealZubes ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yeah, Sal definitely noticed this while editing, but since this content is all off the cuff we couldn't recreate it. We had noticed some strangeness with Ben's audio for a few shows but thought it might be placement. It wasn't until I was using it that we discovered it was just going. A replacement was ordered and already used. 😊

  • @sapientunderground
    @sapientunderground 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Addressing the elephant in the room, Warren Ellis is a creep."
    I'm curious to see if Neil Gaiman will get any more coverage on this show, and if so, what the disclaimers regarding him will be going forward.

  • @misti-step
    @misti-step ปีที่แล้ว +6

    sal going "we're on one character" is SO funny lmfao

  • @Nastyn1nja808
    @Nastyn1nja808 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I watch everything from Mr Sunday. Ahem "RODNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!"

  • @nickyt.2157
    @nickyt.2157 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    36:36 Jack Hawksmoore, zero chill!

  • @vitanpatel2061
    @vitanpatel2061 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as always!

  • @Luc3ntPlays
    @Luc3ntPlays ปีที่แล้ว +2

    aw heck yeah, this gonna be good when Sal starts with "Thought we'd never do this"

  • @Silvvrninja8
    @Silvvrninja8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I love you guys. Comics Explained and Comicstorian and others are good but they aren't as funny as you guys.

  • @Skipntosh
    @Skipntosh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tiff wore her Warren Ellis hat for this one. I see you 😎

  • @steviemacc2745
    @steviemacc2745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sal said something that made me die laughing: I vividly remember the Image explosion...& something we started saying after awhile after looking at all the art...specifically the Wildstorm books... "all this shit is starting to look THE SAME."😂😂😂

  • @laurenc5306
    @laurenc5306 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a soft spot for the Authority, mainly because of how much I love Midnighter and Apollo lol ❤ but yeah, some of the stuff in the first run is ... interesting

  • @hillelrodarte5385
    @hillelrodarte5385 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They’re Edgar Wright, we’re Kevin Smith 🤣🔥🔥🔥

  • @steviemacc2745
    @steviemacc2745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This & the Millar/Quitely followup was simply brilliant

  • @Damiandoesart99
    @Damiandoesart99 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still a top tier episode, I don’t know if anyone else rewatches comicpop, but I have em on for a few hours a day, while I do other stuff. Sending love.

  • @mttylerdurden9
    @mttylerdurden9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Other century babies include Elijah Snow from the Warren Ellis/John Cassidy book PLANETARY.

  • @ninja1man4u
    @ninja1man4u ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ooo good choice

  • @erickenneycreative
    @erickenneycreative ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Didn’t you do Planetary by Warren Elllis? (My favorite non-DC/Marvel series)
    Elijah Snow was also a century baby.
    Btw I enjoy Millars run on Authority a little more than Ellis’s.

  • @cameronf7566
    @cameronf7566 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    a superman vs the authority live action movie would go so hard

  • @ThePandaSupreme
    @ThePandaSupreme ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It’s going to be insane how they change this for the movie

  • @blackphoenix77
    @blackphoenix77 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I died a little bit on the inside when you said that you don't know anything about Doctor Who 😅

  • @graysonred2641
    @graysonred2641 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m not gonna lie, I found this really intriguing. I might have to read this

  • @ejdejesus8441
    @ejdejesus8441 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I hope you guys do the Millar Run of the Authority. Because oh boy when the "Avengers" show up.

  • @waverlybrown9474
    @waverlybrown9474 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great vid. Hope this possibly leads to more Saga, Animal Man by Morrison, or Planetary.

  • @Martin_TheCollector
    @Martin_TheCollector ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mark Millar definitely sorta wrecked everything once he took over. I often hear that Planetary is a ton better... Maybe I should stop wasting time and actually read my huge book, lmao!

    • @johnthai6188
      @johnthai6188 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i would say, by the time we get to the last arc of mark millar's authority it does fall of the trails

  • @Damiandoesart99
    @Damiandoesart99 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the credits sequence so fun

  • @MrPink-qf1xi
    @MrPink-qf1xi ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I loved this, I wanna see the movie now.

  • @chiefwiggi
    @chiefwiggi ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We need a Savage Dragon back issues. Geez now the floodgates have been opened

  • @nellyfrommovies
    @nellyfrommovies 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite thing about this video is that I don’t think they ever explain Swift’s deal, which is fair because Ellis and Millar never got around to doing that either.

  • @kazual6149
    @kazual6149 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is one of my all time favorite comics & I have no doubt in my mind that movie isn't getting made lol

  • @toverstreet2015
    @toverstreet2015 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a city planner and ComicPop fan, I am torn at 21:25. Am I mundane to you, Sal?

  • @majorsmind
    @majorsmind ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can Tiffany, please randomly give updates on how her world domination is going?

  • @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
    @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Jenny Sparks: “I sense we have just rid this universe of God as we usher it into a new, scary millennium. Would be a real Dick Move to die about now…” *inhales, Luke Skywalkers*

  • @TheChocoboKid
    @TheChocoboKid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tiff's mic is working fine... It's just her dark magical powers affecting the audio quality.

  • @valiantshadow89
    @valiantshadow89 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Isn’t Elijah Snow from Planetary also a century baby, or am I making that up in my head? (Maybe this gets brought up later, I apologize in advance!)