Flash: “Who are you?” Pariah: “I am Pariah, of course!” Flash: “Okay. What’re you doing here?” Pariah: “I’ve made many enemies. One such for was a powerful red-headed woman with glasses. She sent me here. She told me it was to ‘Think about what I’ve done’, but I think she just sent me here to be as far away from her as possible. I don’t think she likes me very much.” Flash: “We just met, but I kind of get it.”
@@flerken4233The whole Perpetua crap and then the dumb Scott Snyder world building ridiculousness just made me nope out of modern DC. Too convoluted, too much like Jason Aaron was given the keys to the candy store. Now I only hear about stuff when ComicPop covers it
11:23 funny thing. In the Wonder Woman comics after infinite frontier, after she leaves Valhalla and start exploring around with Siegfried, she accidentally lands on Earth 11 and the Martian manhunter of that Earth points out that they call their Earth "Earth-1" while they call the Prime Earth "Earth 11."
Every Earth is Earth-Prime if you’re living on it, I suppose. Also, unrelated note: I recall that Earth-11 is a gender-flipped universe, so would their version of Martian Manhunter be called “Martian Woman-finder” or something along those lines? I apologize in advance if this question sounds stupid, by the way - it’s very late, and I should be asleep as I’m posting this comment, and yet here we are.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076I don't see why manhunter has to change, it's not in reference to his gender, but the gender of the hunted, it's not manhunter as in a hunter that is a man, it's manhunter as in a hunter who hunts men, so a female J'onn, J'aynn if you will, would still be a manhunter
I started reading this and was, at first, pleased by how ordinary people remembered the most recent crisis. Then I realized how messed up most people would be by that knowledge and began to see the wisdom of the magic memory wipe of previous crises.
20 years from now this book will be a really distinct time capsule. The perfect storm of several different failed initiatives and major power shifts at the company create a lot of jump off points for learning more about the 2020s at DC.
I don’t know why, but I am in belief that this is the greatest Back Issues of all time. All the boys are on top of their games, super funny and engaging. Thank you lads for the fun times❤
At 27:47, you say he makes constructs of the arrow family but Williams and Xernanico are doing something much cooler here, He makes constructs of Him, 4 times he's died before. Great video for an amazing comic loved the whole Dark Crisis Trillogy
Alan Scott on the couch you say… time to grab my popcorn, cozy up on the couch, and enjoy some Comic Pop talking about the most underrated Green Lantern goodness
Another time Pariah was used was during the build up to Infinite Crisis where he was kidnapped by the Secret Society of Supervillains under the direction of Earth 3 Alex Luthor who ended up killing him. He then appeared as one of the black lanterns in Blackest Knight but after that he didn’t play much of a role in DC save for the New 52 cameo once
Roger Hayden, the Psycho Pirate, evaporates into the 12-issue weekly story "Shadows of the Bat" which was a big story in Detective Comics about not Batman. I did not like that book, but I really dug the back ups by Matthew Rosenberg.
Here’s how I interpreted Machine Head’s hate for Barry Allen: Machine Head’s Marvel-esque universe became darker and more akin to something like the Ultimate Universe, and that’s why it, like the Ultimate Universe died
Ah, the multiverse. As complicated and messy as always. I hope you guys can do Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing someday (maybe Halloween season?). Seems like the perfect Tiffany book.
Great ep! After a certain point I lose track of whether the Multiverse exists, so this is a welcome catchup. BTW, Justice Incarnate form at the end of Morrison's Multiversity in 2015 (Highly recommended though it's somewhere between a singular story and an anthology) , so they're not a new team here.
I didn't hear anything the guys said for the first 3 minutes of this episode because I felt so unsettled about missing the introductions at the start of the show. We've already lost the piano intro/outro.... you leave those damn intros in there Sal.
I think I figured out who made the Multiverse Map, Grant Morrison, not Grant Morrison the real world comic writer, no, Grant Morrison, The DC Character who joined the Suicide Squad!
Whaaaaa this is cool i actually recently finished this cause yall said after death metal infinite frontier connects to dark crisis. Goddang i just love this show to death. Yall are just the bloody best!
Elseworlds SHOULD be a wholly different multiverse, that is separate from the "main" multiverse. Any world that doesn't have a number that is between 0/prime/New Earth and 52, gets added to the Elseworlds multiverse. It should be a trinity of multiverses; Main multiverse, Elseworlds, and the Dark multiverse being the by far the largest. All three of them would have their own "sphere" to house all of their Earths (Dark multiverse having a near infinite multiverses for each Earth it has). Multiverse-2 shouldn't be a thing. It sounds like a second try at the Dark multiverse, and I don't think it's necessary. Machinehead is interesting because we see someone call out Barry (Manhattan should as well but isn't) for his actions. Because Earth- 2 was VERY much changed because of Flashpoint. It's sad that most people seem to hate/not like N52 Earth-2 for whatever reasons. There should be 2-3 different versions of the Earth-2 characters running around in the multiverse, and we only just back Val and Red Lois for a little bit. Crisis/War of Earth-2's lol?
Each universe vibrates at a different frequency so I’m assuming Barry Allen or any speedster technically would be the only ones able to tell the difference between earths. 20:10
Kurt Busiek was smart for creating a war to stand in all the jungle wars of through the '50s and '70s in _The Marvels._ DC should do one for WW2 to explain why the Justice Society members aren't over a 100.
Injustice animated movie, they refer to themselves as Earth-1 until main universe Superman comes over to fight Injustice Superman and tells them they are 22
Ok but even if calvin ellis doen't do drone strikes he interferes directly in foreign policy with the justice league, in N52 action comics is implied that not all the League members are confortable with that.
This version of darksied is gonna be retconned to be just all of the avatars of darkseid coming together into one being who thought he was OG. Then grant Morrison final crisis darksied is gonna step in and be like "I don't normally lower myself to such actions, but you've grown too BWAAAA-"and just omega beam the imposter back into himself of some shit
My theory on how the multiverse works is that the earth that superboy prime was shown in after his fight with the darkest night is that main universe but I also believe that both the marvel and dc heroes all exist on that earth and then after some years a child was born that was so powerful that when it cried it erased all of existence leaving 3 survivors super boy prime,the child, and Franklin richards prime. And Franklin and Clark are able to survive because they are essentially god powered beings and they decide to divide the powers of the child into 2 entities the phoenix force and anti life equation. And due to this Franklin took half of the pantheon of the heroes and villains and made the marvel multiverse and Clark made the dc universe. And the separated the force and the equation in their multiverses so the child could never become whole again and destroy existence again and the reason they don’t just recreate their universe is because it would eventually end up with the child being born again.
Since I'm not reading much main continuity DC stuff, i suppose this is a good way for DC to get interest going in a few characters that don't get used much. But then Flashpoint Batman gets mentioned a lot.
I'm assuming that Josh Williamson read and is familiar with all the new 52 Earth 2 stuff since so much of this kind of reflects multiversity and Convergence. All this to say the first gay Alan Scott was actually the new 52 Earth 2 version and I'd bet that's an intentional holdover here.
It is yep. But they had been moving towards it for years for this Alan. Scott Snyder did a story set in the 40s with his JL and the JSA meeting and Alan is clearly hiding he’s gay but happy that John Stewart proves that one day the world might be more accepting. And a bunch of other stories but he never really had the screentime to do it as a story for himself. But the thing that really set it in stone was the GL anniversary special. Because its Alan story was the og GL origin retold by Alan(with art by Gary Frank so it reads like it literally follows the Doomsday Clock flashbacks where Manhattan changes it only to put it back)only he’s telling it to the mother of the man he was travelling with. And suddenly the origin reads way different. And the mother asks how her son and Alan knew each other and we get that expanded.
Infinite frontier i thought was a interesting start to this multiverse story but man oh man it got to confusing way real fast to the point that I had no idea what the hell was going on within this book even reading it back in 2021 i still felt confused, especially with the ending with pariah returning out of nowhere. Which set up basically dark crisis on infinite earths event last year which was also a complete trainwreck of a event that nobody not even me even care about this point which for good reason because lets face facts dark crisis got way to big for own bridges and really fell apart at the end at last in my opinion.
@@daelen.cclark How about just this a blond woman has been kidnapped by mad matter, Superman goes batman will find him and save the girl, I will stop cosmic world eater. The Rouges can go with the justice league and world governments distract now its the perfect time to rob the bank. Batman and green arrow do not need to get involved all other problmes on earth don't go away because of the world eater attacking kids are still missing floods still exist
Can someone explain to me how the public doesn’t know about the multiverse when evil versions of the justice league came and took over in forever evil?
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@@2axelhumbertoalvarezgonzal594crazy curiosity
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Will you ever do Dark Crisis or Justice League Incarnate?
@@vrajdesai3865 Yes
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I loved how Ethan instantly clocked Tiffany's reaction to the return of Pariah.
I sympathize lol
And he's even wearing a Wonder Woman shirt. That part of the War of the Gods episode clearly imprinted on him.
What's the time stamp on that?... I'm asking for an A.I. 👀
Flash: “Who are you?”
Pariah: “I am Pariah, of course!”
Flash: “Okay. What’re you doing here?”
Pariah: “I’ve made many enemies. One such for was a powerful red-headed woman with glasses. She sent me here. She told me it was to ‘Think about what I’ve done’, but I think she just sent me here to be as far away from her as possible. I don’t think she likes me very much.”
Flash: “We just met, but I kind of get it.”
Oh you just wait until the Secret Crisis in 2030 when he teams up with Red Ghost. That'll get him some respect.
@@psychoknight3d106 And leave it in the hands of whom?
@@TheGreatDevlinthat’s who he should be combined with in the Amalgam universe
These back issues are genuinely the only reason I have any clue what the state of the Dc multiverse is rn 😭
Me too and most comics
Yeah Sal is my go to resource for what goes on in the DCU proper, as I dip in and out of DC constantly. 😂
I read up to Death Metal and then with Infinite Frontier to Dark Crisis I got completely lost in this huge multiversal stuff
@@flerken4233The whole Perpetua crap and then the dumb Scott Snyder world building ridiculousness just made me nope out of modern DC. Too convoluted, too much like Jason Aaron was given the keys to the candy store. Now I only hear about stuff when ComicPop covers it
Whenever anyone mentions Pariah, all I can think about is Tif bemoaning him and saying “I’VE SUFFERED!!!” 😂
11:23 funny thing. In the Wonder Woman comics after infinite frontier, after she leaves Valhalla and start exploring around with Siegfried, she accidentally lands on Earth 11 and the Martian manhunter of that Earth points out that they call their Earth "Earth-1" while they call the Prime Earth "Earth 11."
Oh, that’s funny.
Every Earth is Earth-Prime if you’re living on it, I suppose.
Also, unrelated note: I recall that Earth-11 is a gender-flipped universe, so would their version of Martian Manhunter be called “Martian Woman-finder” or something along those lines? I apologize in advance if this question sounds stupid, by the way - it’s very late, and I should be asleep as I’m posting this comment, and yet here we are.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076I don't see why manhunter has to change, it's not in reference to his gender, but the gender of the hunted, it's not manhunter as in a hunter that is a man, it's manhunter as in a hunter who hunts men, so a female J'onn, J'aynn if you will, would still be a manhunter
I started reading this and was, at first, pleased by how ordinary people remembered the most recent crisis. Then I realized how messed up most people would be by that knowledge and began to see the wisdom of the magic memory wipe of previous crises.
Remember kids, "the bleed" is a meta-reference to the layout of a comic page. Literally the unseen space that exists between comic pages.
That's a Doom Patrol reference.
20 years from now this book will be a really distinct time capsule. The perfect storm of several different failed initiatives and major power shifts at the company create a lot of jump off points for learning more about the 2020s at DC.
23:45 I love how Ethan’s knowledge of comics makes him correct himself after realizing he went over 52 lol
I genuinely feel like I would not understand anything happening in this book, so I really appreciate you guys keeping it all together lol.
I don’t know why, but I am in belief that this is the greatest Back Issues of all time. All the boys are on top of their games, super funny and engaging. Thank you lads for the fun times❤
I have a feeling that the episode where they’ll do DCOIE will be their best so far
Darkseid's chasing crack? Oh thaaaats why Speedy's an omega lantern
Reminds me of Superfriends Darkseid
At 27:47, you say he makes constructs of the arrow family but Williams and Xernanico are doing something much cooler here, He makes constructs of Him, 4 times he's died before. Great video for an amazing comic loved the whole Dark Crisis Trillogy
Justice League: Oh boy it's a great thing we got Wonder Woman back. Now the Justice League is truly invincible.
Joshua Williamson: Heh
Joshua Williamson: 😏😁
Joshua Williamson: "I'm gonna do what's known as a pro gamer move"
"Darkseid just kills them"
Much like Obi-Wan Kenobi!
You know it’s great to come home after a long day of work & just watch the weekly back issues episodes. 🍿
This coming out right after Rogues is perfect. Same writer, same one name artist conversation😂😂😂
So Wonder woman became the secretary of the quintessence like she was originally for the Justice League lol
Alan Scott on the couch you say… time to grab my popcorn, cozy up on the couch, and enjoy some Comic Pop talking about the most underrated Green Lantern goodness
34:30 "But Calvin Ellis doesn't like launch drone strikes on people"
Another time Pariah was used was during the build up to Infinite Crisis where he was kidnapped by the Secret Society of Supervillains under the direction of Earth 3 Alex Luthor who ended up killing him. He then appeared as one of the black lanterns in Blackest Knight but after that he didn’t play much of a role in DC save for the New 52 cameo once
39:06 That reminds me, everyone band together and beg to get Tom King's Omega Men done on the couch.
Man this Frontier sure if Infinite. Just like the Infinite joy that would be produced by a new episode of Harbor Patrol!
the starwars council reference was on point
I love how sal mentions the crossover initiative.... because I'm looking at all the crossover books behind them and wondering why those! Genius.
Roger Hayden, the Psycho Pirate, evaporates into the 12-issue weekly story "Shadows of the Bat" which was a big story in Detective Comics about not Batman. I did not like that book, but I really dug the back ups by Matthew Rosenberg.
Can't wait for the next Marvel event have the main villain be the Red Ghost.
Here’s how I interpreted Machine Head’s hate for Barry Allen: Machine Head’s Marvel-esque universe became darker and more akin to something like the Ultimate Universe, and that’s why it, like the Ultimate Universe died
Ah, the multiverse. As complicated and messy as always.
I hope you guys can do Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing someday (maybe Halloween season?). Seems like the perfect Tiffany book.
Seconded. I hope they also do Scott Snyder and Charles Soule's run on Swamp Thing after covering Moore's.
Since Moore had a fairly long run on that book, it might just be a retrospective. But, I agree. Big fan of it.
Being a DC fan in 2020 was freaking weird.
I just read this and incarnate, so seeing this video pop up on my feed gave me that warm fuzzy feeling. Love y'all ❤️
Great ep! After a certain point I lose track of whether the Multiverse exists, so this is a welcome catchup. BTW, Justice Incarnate form at the end of Morrison's Multiversity in 2015 (Highly recommended though it's somewhere between a singular story and an anthology) , so they're not a new team here.
Its cool hearing Sal say me name, Calvin. Thats a rarity fo' a comic. :)
Cpuld you imagine if there was a big "Earth 7" in the sky and we all just went along without questioning it?
Ironically I just finished rewatching your video on Death Metal.
Not gonna lie, Earth-Flash sounds like Westview from Wandavision, but on enough steroids to kickstart an entirely new multiverse.
I didn't hear anything the guys said for the first 3 minutes of this episode because I felt so unsettled about missing the introductions at the start of the show. We've already lost the piano intro/outro.... you leave those damn intros in there Sal.
I think I figured out who made the Multiverse Map, Grant Morrison, not Grant Morrison the real world comic writer, no, Grant Morrison, The DC Character who joined the Suicide Squad!
Whaaaaa this is cool i actually recently finished this cause yall said after death metal infinite frontier connects to dark crisis.
Goddang i just love this show to death. Yall are just the bloody best!
Somehow ComicPop Returned...
The Star Wars quotes were strong this episode :')
Dark Crisis on the comicpop couch is coming.....
Just finished Gotham Central by Rucka and Brubaker itwas really good would be cool to see you guys do an episode of it
wait alan scott green lantern protected gotham before batman huh I love learning fun things like this its alot of fun
Ahh man, where's the "I'm Sal, I'm Ethan and I'm Ben"
I dropped this book after 4 issues because I just couldn't figure out wtf was going on. Excited to finally figure it out!
Tbh, Infinite Frontier seemed to have better concepts than some of the other DC modern DC events, the execution cud’ve been WAY better of course
3:05 the Xermanico conversation kills me
Does this mean we can expect dark crisis next on back issues ??
"pirate spawn" 😂😂
Infinite Frontier is the equivalent of Marvel's "What If" tv show. 1:18:12
Making Joshua proud lolz!!
Elseworlds SHOULD be a wholly different multiverse, that is separate from the "main" multiverse. Any world that doesn't have a number that is between 0/prime/New Earth and 52, gets added to the Elseworlds multiverse.
It should be a trinity of multiverses; Main multiverse, Elseworlds, and the Dark multiverse being the by far the largest. All three of them would have their own "sphere" to house all of their Earths (Dark multiverse having a near infinite multiverses for each Earth it has). Multiverse-2 shouldn't be a thing. It sounds like a second try at the Dark multiverse, and I don't think it's necessary.
Machinehead is interesting because we see someone call out Barry (Manhattan should as well but isn't) for his actions. Because Earth- 2 was VERY much changed because of Flashpoint. It's sad that most people seem to hate/not like N52 Earth-2 for whatever reasons. There should be 2-3 different versions of the Earth-2 characters running around in the multiverse, and we only just back Val and Red Lois for a little bit. Crisis/War of Earth-2's lol?
Thanks for the video, ComicPop!
Did this include the Justice Incarnate mini too? It and IF we’re basically one book
I watch Off The Rack, they reviewed this book. I bought the book. Read it. And here it is. I. Love this channel.
I was an hour into this video thinking why they haven’t mentioned stuff like Doctor Multiverse until I realised that was a completely different book
Wooo! I missed out reading this because it seemed too confusing, so glad ur covering it!!
Are… are they prepping to do Dark Crisis? Oh dear lord…
Director bones has flesh, it's just invisble
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I enjoyed the comic - it was a good read … not much happened really but it was a fun ride while it lasted
1:02:18 I’m so disappointed I lost. Now time to go show a bunch of old friends this clip and ruin their days 😂😂😂
Millennium (1989) is the movie he was thinking of.
Each universe vibrates at a different frequency so I’m assuming Barry Allen or any speedster technically would be the only ones able to tell the difference between earths. 20:10
Going thru a lot rn and needed this back issues
I miss the intro melody 😢 🎶
Kurt Busiek was smart for creating a war to stand in all the jungle wars of through the '50s and '70s in _The Marvels._ DC should do one for WW2 to explain why the Justice Society members aren't over a 100.
I'm two hours early for a doctor's appointment. Your timing couldn't get more perfect.
Did you stop doing introductions for algorithm purposes? Because I miss them 😢
I haven’t thought of Freejack in years. It’s free on TH-cam! Lol I’m going to attempt to watch the whole thing right after this.
2 Joshua Williamson books in a row? That’s awesome
Injustice animated movie, they refer to themselves as Earth-1 until main universe Superman comes over to fight Injustice Superman and tells them they are 22
Idk what to do. Sal didn’t tell me to keep reading
Wait, I thought Magog was a good-ish guy, then again I literally haven't saw him since Kingdom Come
Darkseid trying to get Crack 😂😂😂
Black light constructs cool, wow there are a lot of glowing puddles everywhere
I’d love to see Christopher Walken play Mr. Bones in the DC movies
I want him to sound like Roy Brisby. But higher pitch. Because skulls look like they're screaming.
I would buy the hell out of a black lantern core lead by roy harper.
1:57
#RespectforRoyHarper
Two Joshua Williamson books in a row Hell Yeah!
This book set up a lot which I was looking forward to, but only Williamson seemed to care about
So Pariah's plan it basically black mercy everyone?
Yes
Ah cool! Here we are!
Um wasn't Psycho Pirate killed by Black Adam in Infinite Crisis. I distinctly remember him pushing his fingers through his skull
Wasn't the entire multiverse and everyone in it killed at the end of Death Metal?
@comicpop not going to even lie I checked out on Death Metal as i had heavy Batman who Laughs fatigue. Gotta go rewarch ya'll video.
So this book was kind of like the Loki show
It’s a little late for the JoshuAugust but early for WilliamSeptember
Ok but even if calvin ellis doen't do drone strikes he interferes directly in foreign policy with the justice league, in N52 action comics is implied that not all the League members are confortable with that.
I love that Fated Four shirt.
Small reccomendation for Future State: Batman, please? Maybe consider it?
GREEN FLAAAAAME...lol we come for sal (pause) but we stay for Ethan and ben. Loveyall brothas
This version of darksied is gonna be retconned to be just all of the avatars of darkseid coming together into one being who thought he was OG. Then grant Morrison final crisis darksied is gonna step in and be like "I don't normally lower myself to such actions, but you've grown too BWAAAA-"and just omega beam the imposter back into himself of some shit
My theory on how the multiverse works is that the earth that superboy prime was shown in after his fight with the darkest night is that main universe but I also believe that both the marvel and dc heroes all exist on that earth and then after some years a child was born that was so powerful that when it cried it erased all of existence leaving 3 survivors super boy prime,the child, and Franklin richards prime. And Franklin and Clark are able to survive because they are essentially god powered beings and they decide to divide the powers of the child into 2 entities the phoenix force and anti life equation. And due to this Franklin took half of the pantheon of the heroes and villains and made the marvel multiverse and Clark made the dc universe. And the separated the force and the equation in their multiverses so the child could never become whole again and destroy existence again and the reason they don’t just recreate their universe is because it would eventually end up with the child being born again.
What is the significance of the Doctor Strange issue on the set!?
Set dressing.
I really enjoyed this miniseries, but i was really hoping Roy Harper would find happiness at some point 😢
Since I'm not reading much main continuity DC stuff, i suppose this is a good way for DC to get interest going in a few characters that don't get used much. But then Flashpoint Batman gets mentioned a lot.
You’re not reading much main continuity stuff right now or at the time Infinite Frontier came out?
Green flame!??!?!
I'm assuming that Josh Williamson read and is familiar with all the new 52 Earth 2 stuff since so much of this kind of reflects multiversity and Convergence. All this to say the first gay Alan Scott was actually the new 52 Earth 2 version and I'd bet that's an intentional holdover here.
It is yep. But they had been moving towards it for years for this Alan. Scott Snyder did a story set in the 40s with his JL and the JSA meeting and Alan is clearly hiding he’s gay but happy that John Stewart proves that one day the world might be more accepting. And a bunch of other stories but he never really had the screentime to do it as a story for himself. But the thing that really set it in stone was the GL anniversary special. Because its Alan story was the og GL origin retold by Alan(with art by Gary Frank so it reads like it literally follows the Doomsday Clock flashbacks where Manhattan changes it only to put it back)only he’s telling it to the mother of the man he was travelling with. And suddenly the origin reads way different. And the mother asks how her son and Alan knew each other and we get that expanded.
Infinite frontier i thought was a interesting start to this multiverse story but man oh man it got to confusing way real fast to the point that I had no idea what the hell was going on within this book even reading it back in 2021 i still felt confused, especially with the ending with pariah returning out of nowhere. Which set up basically dark crisis on infinite earths event last year which was also a complete trainwreck of a event that nobody not even me even care about this point which for good reason because lets face facts dark crisis got way to big for own bridges and really fell apart at the end at last in my opinion.
Dc needs more down to earth stories. Batman vs mobsters, is more interesting than vs cosmic stuff
A good balance between the two.
@@daelen.cclark How about just this a blond woman has been kidnapped by mad matter, Superman goes batman will find him and save the girl, I will stop cosmic world eater. The Rouges can go with the justice league and world governments distract now its the perfect time to rob the bank. Batman and green arrow do not need to get involved all other problmes on earth don't go away because of the world eater attacking kids are still missing floods still exist
This is why there’s a whole family of books about that. So we can have it all
Can someone explain to me how the public doesn’t know about the multiverse when evil versions of the justice league came and took over in forever evil?
Lex probably said it was evil clones or something.