I really don’t like how the modern version of Bruce was apparently destined to become Batman. To me, Batman represents making yourself into the hero the world needs, choosing to fight the good fight even if you’ll probably lose in the end. The Waynes’ murder had no greater significance than just another act of violence in the cruel and dark Gotham, and Bruce never wants anyone else to suffer that fate. This need to make Batman important takes away what makes him interesting
Modern version? In the Golden, Silver and Bronze Ages the Waynes were killed because Thomas dressed up as a bat for a party and beat up Lew Moxon, leading to him hiring Joe Chill as a hitman. The murder was never "just another act of violence" outside of the watered-down adaptations!
@@XenofictionReviewsI think as it stands the only watered down version I can think of is maybe BvS only because we are so far removed. The Nolan trilogy implied Ra’s had something to do with it, Gotham has like 3 cults mastermind the assassination, the Batman implies it was a mob hit and Batman 1989 has the joker do it which while not grandiose does have greater significance outside of the violent act
@@XenofictionReviewsEven during those phases in comics narratives didn’t always follow that route. While it’s true there’s often deeper lore behind Batman’s origin it can’t be denied that it’s not subjectively wrong to be at least a little displeased with the idea that Bruce had unknown connections to a nearly omnipotent Bat God which had subconscious influence to his psyche
Someone said this on another thread, but it's a hundred percent true: Barbatos only cares about Bruce after he goes back in time. So therefore: Batman creates his own hype.
This is why nobody takes comics seriously or respects comics in general. This is why movie producers and screenwriters look at comics and go how can we fix this and make it movie material when they make superhero movies or adapt comicbook properties. Because nothing in comics actually matters or can be even remotely taken seriously
This is why nobody takes comics seriously or respects comics in general. This is why movie producers and screenwriters look at comics and go how can we fix this and make it movie material when they make superhero movies or adapt comicbook properties. Because nothing in comics actually matters or can be even remotely taken seriously
I love how the story is so convoluted and just straight up bullshit now that it actually sounds like some low IQ conspiracy theory. "So the Joker was born... but he was actually made evil by a time travelling ghost avatar of evil you see". This is some scientology level mythology now.
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. this is my batman timeline, maybe my batman timeline you will like more: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. Maybe you will like my batman timeline more! this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
Probably the most unnecessary edgy origin I ever heard. I really don't like how there was some cosmic force to kill some rich couple. Besides being a hit job which is really realistic given the Wayne's position in life, anything else is too insane sounding. No one gets to Thomas and Martha's status without making enemies. Bruce being suicidal kinda makes sense given his trauma. Bruce meeting Joe Chill is something movies should definitely play with. I would like to see this in the Robert Pattinson Batman movies actually.
This is what happens when you keep building a character's story over 85 years with several different writers with several different backgrounds, several different tastes, and several different perspectives on the character.
Santa was one of his primary stealth trainers. It's specifically highlighted that the hi-bye trick he pulls on Gordon constantly is a skill taught to him by Santa.
He probably knows of Gods existing at this point with all the DC shennanigans (maybe not the presence, but some of the other deities), like Darkseid for example is practically a deity. I think it's more so Bruce doesn't outright worship any God, including the one of abrahamic faith.
When it comes to his origin, I absolutely hate the Barbatoss Bat-God pre-destiny nonsense! Don't mind conspiracy stuff related to the mob and stuff, but I really don't want the Supernatural to be part of the Batman origin. I prefer it when Joe Chill is simply a random thug, but I don't mind supernatural aspects creeping in later in the stories.
Someone said this on another thread, but it's a hundred percent true: Barbatos only cares about Bruce after he goes back in time. So therefore: Batman creates his own hype.
Yeah, that doesn't change the fact that it's stupid. Honestly all the Dark universe stuff was ridiculous. All the modern changes that have made are awful.
@@videovagrancy8526 then don't read those stories? Batman has a metric ton of books, if not more. But you can at least sleep better knowing it isn't predestined for Bruce to be Batman.
@dylanhall6711 Still sad to see the storytelling become so shallow and bad. Especially since he's my favorite superhero, and I'm just a casual fan and it just breaks my heart to see that DC doesn't really care anymore.
My mans drops my nighttime comfort watch to sleep to for the next week and he’s only got 500 views . 30 minutes in and loving it . Appreciate this video bro .
Thats the most sad and pathetic comment I read in a while. Imagine being such a adhd riddled zommer, you can't fall a sleep without youtube commentary. At least listen to an audiobook
@@mrduffbier000 Are you proud of randomly insulting a person you’ve never met because they like having something on while they go to sleep? Like, what was the point of that? Imagine being so easily annoyed you call someone else pathetic for expressing joy at a video you are also watching.
Best of luck on Superman. I'm attempting a timeline that can match with Batman. Crisis on Infinite Earths and John Byrne made it messy with his run. It is implied that Superman debuts a few months before Bruce returned to Gotham. But when you read through Byrne's run it's as if he starts after Jason is already Robin.
@@XenofictionReviews Oh my god, that sucks to hear 😭😭😭 I just find the concept of the Court good enough to stand on its own, the whole "eldritch god worship" stuff is just too much. It's like George Carlin once said, you don't need a proper conspiracy when interests align. I can picture Gotham's elite forming a secret club to control the city from the shadows without needing any external reason beyond maintaining the status quo. I also enjoy the personal stakes it brings to Batman, since Bruce is not just battling another criminally insane villain but in a certain way his own legacy and "superpower", considering the Court has way more money and influence than him and his family fortune it's connected to it all. Barbatos just comes and throw all of this out the window AND diminishes Bruce's parent's death by making it some kind of cosmic manipulation of events instead of a tragic random accident caused by a city riddled with crime. That's literally his whole motivation for becoming Batman, to be able to stop those random acts of violence from ever breaking someone again.
@@PlanetaTotalGames The Waynes murder was never random, not even in the Golden Age. And the Court was never motivated by "the status quo", is that some video game doodleygoo? Their creator came up with Barbatos.
@@XenofictionReviews I don't exactly agree with you about the randomness of Bruce's parent's death. I think what your video proved (great job btw! 2 freaking hours??? I could never!) is that Batman's origin has been retconned to hell and back. Kinda feels like for every writer who tries to explain something, there's another to retcon it back to the start in some way. Just by this video alone, I can say I've definitely haven't read as many comics as you lol but I know I've read comics that, directly or indirectly, mention Wayne's murder as just a random act of violence that drives Bruce to act against injustice, and I really like that. I don't really care about your Golden Age argument, it's great to respect the historical legacy of it but you can't take its canon seriously in this day and age. As for the Court, I may have oversimplified with the "status quo" bit, but when the Court was first introduced in the New 52 its origin and actions were way more grounded in Gotham and its influence over it, so much so that the first time we see of them in that run is trying to assassinate Bruce Wayne for his plans of revitalizing Gotham, not Batman. The whole Barbatos sthick came after Rebirth, and just because their creator came with the idea it doesn't mean it's any good or that he had it all planned from the beginning lol I find it a bad idea that just doesn't work for me, it's too thinly built and depends on too much retconned elements of Batman's story and the DC universe as a whole. Sometimes people miss. I kinda like what they've done with Nightwing's origin crossing over with the Court, and the whole Parliament stuff after I'm ok with it, even if it means retconning ANOTHER origin story to make it premeditated. Again, what I liked about Dick's origin story is that it's similar to Bruce's. He's suddenly struck with a random act of violence and Bruce sees himself in him and tries to train him so he doesn't become consumed by revenge like he once was. All in all, I just kinda feel that when it came to Barbatos that was just another of DC's way of centralizing its universe around Batman because they know it's their main bread and butter, but that inevitably defeats what I believe it's what people actually enjoy about Batman: his humanity. In a world of superbeings and demigods, Batman is a grounded hero often coming face-to-face with powers way beyond his capacity, and it's great seeing him overcome those issues by trusting the League, his bat-family and relying on his mind. He's not suppose to be at the center of a Dark Multiverse orchestrading his whole life. But again, that's just my opinion. What about yours? After all your research, what do you like and dislike more about Bruce's origin and what would do differently? I'm really curious to know :)
@@PlanetaTotalGames You know, I really appreciate your thoughtful and civilized argument. Thank you very much for that. I personally hate Barbatos because I hate Snyder's writing in general (before or after Rebirth), but it doesn't shake my conception of Batman as badly as it seems most of the commenters, because Barbatos wasn't interested in Batman until he travelled back in time during the Final Crisis, so it doesn't feel so sacrilegious. Batman earned Barbatos' obsession through his independent actions, in my opinion. And sorry to beat this fact to death, but the Wayne murders weren't random in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s... and so on.
This is the stupidest writing I've ever heard in my life. Literally "Hey you know that event that happened in the comics? TURNS OUT THIS EVENT HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME/INSTEAD/AS WELL AND MY NEW CHARACTER WAS AT THE CENTER OF IT!!!!"
it's unfortunately the nature of DC/Marvel comics, trying to keep a status quo while trying to progress and build on characters.....just fundamentally can't work lol, especially with multiple writers who all have different ideas for stories. chronology projects are fun, but they should never be treated like some kinda grand history of a character, since writers and editorial change their mind all the time, it's mostly just nerdy headcanon
Jesus this timeline sucks (i mean the contents, not your video which is great btw). I feel like every modern writer for Batman wants to be Grant Morrison but without the skill or cohesion to create something that isn’t just needlessly complicated nonsense that’s full of retcons that just make previous events make less sense and characters like The Joker horrible in retrospect. Morrison knew what non-canon and past continuity to weave in and how to do it without cheapening or needlessly complicating things.
This isn't one coherent timeline. It's taking bits and pieces from... different ones and arguing it's coherent and current, but I'm not sure any current writers see it this way.
That’s because these things weren’t meant to all be stated right in a row, DC treats their comics more like individual stories and less like a connected universe
Amazing video Xeno. Colin Colsher's blog is not only the most detailed telling of Batman canon I have ever seen, but also my main reference for when I'm forming my own Batman head canon. I wish every superhero had a blog written in this great of detail about their lives.
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
The fact that Identity Crisis is part of this Timeline really just makes it for me It allows 52 to have also existed and therefore Booster Gold’s saving of the Multiverse that only he could know about
I have yet to finish this but I absolutely LOVE this video. I used to read the Batman Chronology Project a lot (specifically the Modern Age timeline), so seeing this video is amazing. One of the coolest continuity projects I have ever seen on the internet, I'm just sad there's not more projects like this out there.
Because it’s a series with dozens of writers and nobody wants to write or read almost a century’s worth of comic books to write or read a new one. None of it really matters.
because status quo is what keeps the big 2 comics alive, in a sense. if we had one single timeline of stories for the almost 100 years comics have been around, almost none of the iconic characters we know and love would still be around lol... at least not in a way that matters. they've tried multiple times to make a sensible timeline but ultimately undo/redo it every single time... tbh DC is an absolute mess with it's approach to timelines, they could've kept it somewhat flexible like Marvel but nope lol. hopefully the infinite frontier thing is the end of the finite multiverse idea, because DC throwing away decades of beloved stories as an attempt to get new audiences was always a pretty stupid mistake
Who the fuck thought making Vandal Savage a police commissioner is good idea? I starting to think they are running of ideas, looking that Gotham was attacked/destroyed/controlled by some supervillian 4/5 times during one year.
I am SO happy someone is showing off the RBCP and giving it its due credit! It's how I've been reading the modern era batman comics. Currently on year 9.
I've been using the Chronology Project for about a year as a guide, especially since tracking Superman's reboots-post-Crisis, Flashpoint, and Rebirth-makes one cohesive timeline difficult. To simplify, I've created two timelines. The first is the Modern Age timeline, covering 15 years from Year One to Flashpoint. After Flashpoint, I accept the New 52's five-year history, with regained years being more mental than physical aging (e.g., Batman is physically 36 but mentally 46). The second is the New 52 to present timeline. I’ve given two years each to the New 52 and Rebirth, one year for Infinite Frontier, and we’re currently in the first year of Dawn of DC, placing us in Year 21 today. While I'd prefer one continuous timeline for characters like Batman and Superman, the nature of comics makes it tough, especially with Superman's reboots. Now, I haven't read close to everything in these timelines. In fact, I'm still in the Modern Age in my own reading order. I just finished Our Worlds at War and am now on the Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive arc. I started from Batman: Year One and John Byrne’s The Man of Steel, while also reading some Silver and Bronze Age stories to fill in those early years. This timeline may change as I reach more recent comics, but after going through so many years of publication, I’m confident I won’t change my stance on not compressing the Modern Age.
Interesting! Collin's modern age is 23 years, so actually longer than yours, but he still compresses years. The main reason for this is DC insisted Tim was 17 by Flashpoint, which is ridiculous no matter how you slice it.
Tim's age is absolutely insane lol. That's where I have the hardest time with the timeline. I said forget it and had a super compressed year between No Man's Land up to Infinite Crisis. I kind of take the reasoning from Geek History Lessons timeline where they explain that year as to why Batman is such a jerk during that time because sooooo much crazy stuff keeps happening all at once. The reason I try to stick with 15 is to allow it to flow better with Dr Manhattan having taken 10 years of history. Which would give us the 5 year New 52 timeline.
@@shaemartin4770 Tim's age is one of the most confusing things to figure out when building the timeline. Colsher has a great article specifically on Tim's age on his blog.
sorry but this timeline in the video, is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. Iam a long time batman reader and this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
To summarize again briefly: my Batman timeline with 20 career years includes stories from the silver, bronze, modern and new age. Only the golden age stories were really a different Batman timeline with 41 Batman career years.
One of my favourite quirks with Batman's current history is how it affects the look of the Batsuit. He decides to start wearing a yellow oval on his batsuit in year 4, despite wearing it at random points in his 2nd and 3rd years of crime fighting. The suit from the Year One comic is used interchangeably with his Rebirth, Zero Year and Yellow Oval suits in his early history. And I think the first appearance suit showed up for a second. I guess Bruce was a bit of a fashionista back then, never wearing the same batsuit twice.
I love how detailed and well-researched it is! Can I request you do a version about Jason Todd/Red Hood too? I've read some comics about him but the transition from New52 to Rebirth really makes things convoluted imo
Listening to the watchmen stuff and thinking "man this is dumb" and then imdeitly getting slapped in the face with batman going to the fortnite universe
Absolutely incredible video, loved it, but watching this reminded me of so many of the reasons why Im sick of Batman and why its so hard for me to get back into DC comics: Batman has to be the mostest importantest bestest guy evar (seriously, I actually cant stand Dark Nights: Metal & Dark Nights: Death Metal) and everything has to be interconnected (whether it makes sense or not) in the most convoluted ways. Like, remember when the Anti-Monitor was basically just the anti-matter devil and not also the original Mobius and son of the newest tire of over-deity? Remember when Batman was just a rich, traumatized detective with rad gear? Remember when the Joker was clown themed psychopath who loved chaos and wasn't a David Xanatos-esque architect of everyone's suffering who monologues every other page? Good times
He was 12 when Bruce took him in. Bruce was 29. By the time his training was done I figure Dick was 13 and Bruce was 30. My reasoning for that is Dick was Robin for six years and he became Nightwing as age 19.
@@ojmcclanahan689 Are these headcanons? According to the Chronology Project's calculations and the stated ages in the comics, Bruce was closer to 24 when he adopted Dick. Robin 80th Anniversary 100-Page Spectacular #1 specifically shows Dick quits being Robin on his 18th birthday.
@@XenofictionReviews No, that isn't headcanon, lol. Chronology Projects calculations are profoundly incorrect. How could Bruce adopt Dick at age 24 when he wasn't Batman yet or even in Gotham at age 24? In Batman Year One, Bruce is 26 years old when he becomes Batman. He adopted 12 year old Dick Grayson in Year Three. 26+3=29. He trained Dick for six months and Dick suited up as Robin for the first time at age 13. He was Robin for six years. He left home at 18 and started the Teen Titans as Robin. Around a year later, making Dick 19, Bruce felt that Dick was no longer dedicated to the cause in Gotham and fired him. Dick Grayson sought advice from Superman shortly after being fired and Superman told Dick a Kryptonian legend about a man cast out by his family, who devoted his life to fighting crime. He was known as Nightwing, taking his name from a nocturnal Kryptonian bird.
@@ojmcclanahan689 Xeno was referring to the Rebirth/Infinite Frontier timeline, not the modern age/Post-crisis timeline. In the current Rebirth/Infinite Frontier timeline, Bruce was roughly 21 or 22 when he became Batman, not 26 like in the modern age. In the current canon, Bruce left to travel the world at age sixteen, not fourteen like in the modern age, and returned to Gotham after five years of training, not twelve like in the modern age, just before his twenty-second birthday.
The thing with 17 different time travelers and evil gods being there when batmans parents died is the dumbest comic book shit i have ever heard it is legitimately embarrassing
Exactly. It's why I always say dc would be better as solo stories. All the reality warping and ancient magic nonsense makes Batman's origins and conflict against normal villains meaningless. Why would Batman be so broody and depressed by his parents death if he knew there was alternate reality where they were still alive or magic that can bring his kids back?
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. Maybe you will like my timeline. this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
3 minutes in and we have alternate evil mirror universe demon destiny meddling. I fucking love/hate comics lmao 8 minutes in and I think it's settled on just "I fucking hate comics" 11 minutes 30 seconds in and I think I hate Batman too now.
Boy this has gotten ridiculous. I prefer a chronology based on the 14 years that Denny O'Neil was the Batman group editor. It actually fits together pretty well.
This is awesome, thanks so much for all your contribution to this project and compiling it here. Would have been awesome to have the comics for each clip on screen though, just to know what to read if we wanted to learn more
Is there a corner of the Bat-Mythos (and DC in general) left unsullied by the insipid and overused Harley frikkin Quinn? And the Barbatos stuff is unbelievably stupid. Well done DC. Nice work muddying up the cleanest and most iconic origin ever.
How the fuck that the writers passed a assassination of the parents to A GOD FROM ANOTHER MULTIVERSE CHOSING BRUCE AS THE CHOSEN ONE? Man, just keep a origin that was estabilished for 80 years! God damn is that too hard?
Personally I completely disregard the whole barbatos ushering Bruce’s life that’s the most ridiculous thing ever and completely takes away from the grounded approach that he lost his parents to a random act of crime him dealing with grief and going on the emotional and physical journey of becoming Batman to me that’s not canon at all and I think all Batman fans would agree
They may not have broken The Bat, but they sure broke me by trading Post-Crisis DC in for Crisis-Upon-Crisis DC. I know all of these stories don't happen one after another so quickly, but it doesn't make Barbatos any easier to swallow or Mr. Freeze being abusive any more tolerable. I would have preferred Batman died in Final Crisis and never came back so DC would have so many avenues for new stories than keep rebooting things so they can keep revisiting old stories with tweaks and leaning on their legacy so much that even a man with no powers is somehow the cornerstone of the universe. At least back issues and trades of old stories still exist and can be read with their old context in mind if one so chooses.
The entire Tom King run, particularly Bane and Flashpoint Batman were so terribly written. It was an absolute mess that went on for far too long long despite even being cancelled early.
Wow. This was a GREAT video & I don't mind a 43 yr old but your timeline gives us, arguably, a 35 year old Grayson, a near 40 year old Barbara, 26 yr old Tim, 19 year old Damian, etc. Even Gordon was stated to be 45-47 as recently as REBIRTH. It's quite the impressive undertaking and certainly NOT helped by some of these absolutely over the top events written by bad writers with lazy editors. I applaud you and hope you make more. If it's any help, had I done something similar, I always considered taking EVERY character appearnace.....equating that as roughly one day of their life and seeing how that equated.
Sorry this timeline is wrong about batman career years! Furthermore, all of the Silver, Bronze, Modern Age, and New 52 events were squeezed into Batman years one to 15, and since DC Rebirth, they simply counted one year. When a year of comics was published, Bruce Wayne also became a year older. Of course, that's wrong!
It feels criminal that they have Superman before Robin, and beyond that, a fresh-faced Batman having to worry about maniacs like the Joker and his ilk AS he also needs to prep for fighting aliens. It's like there was no thought put i to the progression of the early grounded Batman intention to him in the Justice League (Not to mention the character progression)
What do you mean with Superman? He always existed before Robin, he actually debuts before Batman. There hasn't been a single time in existence Robin came first.
Amazing vid bro. more like this. helps ppl understand the character better. like a jumping off point. the xmen, avengers, titans and a lot of characters/comics could use this treatment. your page will go far fr 💯
I got past "orchestrated backstory", "porky pig", and a lot of the other insanity, but you bring out super pets and TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES and I'm-- The straw that broke the camel's back. Is a very real turn of phrase. That I am feeling very hard right now. What even is the madness that is comic book convolutedness. Who in Krypton came up with all of this???
See we all know comics are ridiculous, we shouldn’t be surprised when random BS happens… but come on a human version of porky pig naming the Batmobile has to be one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard.
A worthy effort. I love to see passionate people trying to recreate a coherent timeline, you put more effort into this than DC ever will. Unfortunately, apart from reminding me of overly convoluted some stories are and how I really want to forget the barbatos retcon this timeline doesn't work. Just one example, Diaman is 17 in your timeline when he's supposed to be 14. And also the future timeline combines different timelines for some reason. Also you do a good job of compressing adventures to fit into one year but at the end we get two years worth of stories in five years. PS: How I do comics book chronology, every comics years = 5 real years. So Batman is currently in year 16 almost 17. Works surprisingly well for most character unfortunately overuses of Batman make is years quite bloated, but it's a problem in every chronology.
Damian was stated to be 14 almost eight years ago. It's not a mistake to say he grew up. My future timeline doesn't combine different ones, it simply puts every glimpse at the future on the same plane. Randomly compressing every five years seems way more arbitrary and less scientific.
@@XenofictionReviews So I thought it was writen in Dark Crisis the Dark army that he is 14 but I was wrong but he is said to be 14 in robin #1 (2021) and Joshua Williamson (writer of the Batman and Robin run) said he was 15 in an interview but I didn't verify myself. And yes my method is arbitrary but for most character who have one run per year like the Hulk (or most Marvel and DC characters) it work pretty well its only when we get to Batman and is five comics per weeks that I get time compression problems (or Wolverine). Also I noticed that you didn't includ many Bronze age stories do you think most of them are retconed or you just didn't have time to cover them ? I'm also wondering why always use the most up to date art is there a reason ?
@@archeogeek315 Allow me to explain my (Collin Cosher)'s metholodogy. This video isn't a "history of Batman". It's a History of the Current Batman Post Superman Reborn. Old stories are only included if a modern comic references and enables them to have happened; I don't pick and choose based of preference or taste - it tries to follow a scientific method.
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I really don’t like how the modern version of Bruce was apparently destined to become Batman. To me, Batman represents making yourself into the hero the world needs, choosing to fight the good fight even if you’ll probably lose in the end. The Waynes’ murder had no greater significance than just another act of violence in the cruel and dark Gotham, and Bruce never wants anyone else to suffer that fate. This need to make Batman important takes away what makes him interesting
Modern version? In the Golden, Silver and Bronze Ages the Waynes were killed because Thomas dressed up as a bat for a party and beat up Lew Moxon, leading to him hiring Joe Chill as a hitman. The murder was never "just another act of violence" outside of the watered-down adaptations!
@@XenofictionReviewsI think as it stands the only watered down version I can think of is maybe BvS only because we are so far removed.
The Nolan trilogy implied Ra’s had something to do with it, Gotham has like 3 cults mastermind the assassination, the Batman implies it was a mob hit and Batman 1989 has the joker do it which while not grandiose does have greater significance outside of the violent act
@@creed8712 Don't forget all the cartoons!
@@XenofictionReviewsEven during those phases in comics narratives didn’t always follow that route. While it’s true there’s often deeper lore behind Batman’s origin it can’t be denied that it’s not subjectively wrong to be at least a little displeased with the idea that Bruce had unknown connections to a nearly omnipotent Bat God which had subconscious influence to his psyche
@@XenofictionReviewsthat’s still unnecessary and stupid tacked on after the regional origin and forgotten
The fact the writers really felt the need to have an ancient god from an alternate dimension orchestrate bruce's life is so dumb
Someone said this on another thread, but it's a hundred percent true: Barbatos only cares about Bruce after he goes back in time. So therefore: Batman creates his own hype.
Its spiderman romita jr all over again
I thought it would be cool if it was just a cult and the existence of a bat god was left to interpretation
This is why nobody takes comics seriously or respects comics in general. This is why movie producers and screenwriters look at comics and go how can we fix this and make it movie material when they make superhero movies or adapt comicbook properties. Because nothing in comics actually matters or can be even remotely taken seriously
This is why nobody takes comics seriously or respects comics in general. This is why movie producers and screenwriters look at comics and go how can we fix this and make it movie material when they make superhero movies or adapt comicbook properties. Because nothing in comics actually matters or can be even remotely taken seriously
I love how the story is so convoluted and just straight up bullshit now that it actually sounds like some low IQ conspiracy theory. "So the Joker was born... but he was actually made evil by a time travelling ghost avatar of evil you see". This is some scientology level mythology now.
That’s what happens when everything about the current timeline is a bunch of small filler stories, hopefully DCs ALL IN has a better storyline
The Barbatos lore is wild
5 minutes in and I already have a headache wym booster gold and Harley saw Bruce’s parents get shot
I’m just going to pretend they weren’t there. That is just stupid that they were 🤦♂️
Right? like I know I wasn't trippin when I heard dat dumb sh.
Im not even 10 minutes in and this shit is already super convoluted and nonsensical 😭
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. this is my batman timeline, maybe my batman timeline you will like more: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. Maybe you will like my batman timeline more! this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
Probably the most unnecessary edgy origin I ever heard. I really don't like how there was some cosmic force to kill some rich couple. Besides being a hit job which is really realistic given the Wayne's position in life, anything else is too insane sounding. No one gets to Thomas and Martha's status without making enemies.
Bruce being suicidal kinda makes sense given his trauma. Bruce meeting Joe Chill is something movies should definitely play with. I would like to see this in the Robert Pattinson Batman movies actually.
This is what happens when you keep building a character's story over 85 years with several different writers with several different backgrounds, several different tastes, and several different perspectives on the character.
@@UniverseChronologywhich isn't necessarily a bad if managed properly
You can't just name drop Santa Claus with no elaboration😂
@Chi-Drumming , I thought he was Christian or Catholic (Because of his no kill rule and wanting criminals to change for the better).
Santa was one of his primary stealth trainers. It's specifically highlighted that the hi-bye trick he pulls on Gordon constantly is a skill taught to him by Santa.
@@VVguy1he’s catholic in Dark Knight Returns but in main continuity he’s either agnostic or atheist.
He probably knows of Gods existing at this point with all the DC shennanigans (maybe not the presence, but some of the other deities), like Darkseid for example is practically a deity. I think it's more so Bruce doesn't outright worship any God, including the one of abrahamic faith.
@@VVguy1 Being against killing and wanting people to become better is not exclusive to Christisnity.
When it comes to his origin, I absolutely hate the Barbatoss Bat-God pre-destiny nonsense! Don't mind conspiracy stuff related to the mob and stuff, but I really don't want the Supernatural to be part of the Batman origin. I prefer it when Joe Chill is simply a random thug, but I don't mind supernatural aspects creeping in later in the stories.
Someone said this on another thread, but it's a hundred percent true: Barbatos only cares about Bruce after he goes back in time. So therefore: Batman creates his own hype.
Yeah, that doesn't change the fact that it's stupid.
Honestly all the Dark universe stuff was ridiculous. All the modern changes that have made are awful.
@@videovagrancy8526 then don't read those stories? Batman has a metric ton of books, if not more. But you can at least sleep better knowing it isn't predestined for Bruce to be Batman.
@dylanhall6711 Still sad to see the storytelling become so shallow and bad. Especially since he's my favorite superhero, and I'm just a casual fan and it just breaks my heart to see that DC doesn't really care anymore.
@Six-bw3ir it hasn't become shallow and bad though?
My mans drops my nighttime comfort watch to sleep to for the next week and he’s only got 500 views .
30 minutes in and loving it .
Appreciate this video bro .
much appreciated!
Thats the most sad and pathetic comment I read in a while.
Imagine being such a adhd riddled zommer, you can't fall a sleep without youtube commentary.
At least listen to an audiobook
@@mrduffbier000 Are you proud of randomly insulting a person you’ve never met because they like having something on while they go to sleep? Like, what was the point of that? Imagine being so easily annoyed you call someone else pathetic for expressing joy at a video you are also watching.
@@mrduffbier000 now you are emberassing
@@jasonfrancese8359 yes
I love grant morrison and scott snyder, but the worst thing they did was make Barbatos so important to batmans lore
At least Morrison kept it ambiguous whether Barbatos existed at all. Snyder made him real.
Yeah it’s very stupid.
To be fair, neither of them created Barbatos. Peter Milligan did.
Grant Morrison is so overrated
@@billyboleson2830 he's fairly rated imo, his animal man is the best comic of the 80s
15 minutes into this and I hate the demon stuff and reality engine mess tied to his origin, but god am I hooked on the video 😂
Please do this for superman
And the rest of the league
Best of luck on Superman. I'm attempting a timeline that can match with Batman. Crisis on Infinite Earths and John Byrne made it messy with his run. It is implied that Superman debuts a few months before Bruce returned to Gotham. But when you read through Byrne's run it's as if he starts after Jason is already Robin.
Yes please!!!!!!
@@shaemartin4770this is what happens when you reboot but don't change anything lmfao.
Whoever came up with the idea of Barbatos really hit two birds with one stone destroying Bruce’s AND the Court of Owls origin stories.
That person was... the creator of the Court of Owls.
@@XenofictionReviews Oh my god, that sucks to hear 😭😭😭 I just find the concept of the Court good enough to stand on its own, the whole "eldritch god worship" stuff is just too much. It's like George Carlin once said, you don't need a proper conspiracy when interests align. I can picture Gotham's elite forming a secret club to control the city from the shadows without needing any external reason beyond maintaining the status quo. I also enjoy the personal stakes it brings to Batman, since Bruce is not just battling another criminally insane villain but in a certain way his own legacy and "superpower", considering the Court has way more money and influence than him and his family fortune it's connected to it all. Barbatos just comes and throw all of this out the window AND diminishes Bruce's parent's death by making it some kind of cosmic manipulation of events instead of a tragic random accident caused by a city riddled with crime. That's literally his whole motivation for becoming Batman, to be able to stop those random acts of violence from ever breaking someone again.
@@PlanetaTotalGames The Waynes murder was never random, not even in the Golden Age. And the Court was never motivated by "the status quo", is that some video game doodleygoo? Their creator came up with Barbatos.
@@XenofictionReviews I don't exactly agree with you about the randomness of Bruce's parent's death. I think what your video proved (great job btw! 2 freaking hours??? I could never!) is that Batman's origin has been retconned to hell and back. Kinda feels like for every writer who tries to explain something, there's another to retcon it back to the start in some way. Just by this video alone, I can say I've definitely haven't read as many comics as you lol but I know I've read comics that, directly or indirectly, mention Wayne's murder as just a random act of violence that drives Bruce to act against injustice, and I really like that. I don't really care about your Golden Age argument, it's great to respect the historical legacy of it but you can't take its canon seriously in this day and age. As for the Court, I may have oversimplified with the "status quo" bit, but when the Court was first introduced in the New 52 its origin and actions were way more grounded in Gotham and its influence over it, so much so that the first time we see of them in that run is trying to assassinate Bruce Wayne for his plans of revitalizing Gotham, not Batman. The whole Barbatos sthick came after Rebirth, and just because their creator came with the idea it doesn't mean it's any good or that he had it all planned from the beginning lol I find it a bad idea that just doesn't work for me, it's too thinly built and depends on too much retconned elements of Batman's story and the DC universe as a whole. Sometimes people miss. I kinda like what they've done with Nightwing's origin crossing over with the Court, and the whole Parliament stuff after I'm ok with it, even if it means retconning ANOTHER origin story to make it premeditated. Again, what I liked about Dick's origin story is that it's similar to Bruce's. He's suddenly struck with a random act of violence and Bruce sees himself in him and tries to train him so he doesn't become consumed by revenge like he once was. All in all, I just kinda feel that when it came to Barbatos that was just another of DC's way of centralizing its universe around Batman because they know it's their main bread and butter, but that inevitably defeats what I believe it's what people actually enjoy about Batman: his humanity. In a world of superbeings and demigods, Batman is a grounded hero often coming face-to-face with powers way beyond his capacity, and it's great seeing him overcome those issues by trusting the League, his bat-family and relying on his mind. He's not suppose to be at the center of a Dark Multiverse orchestrading his whole life. But again, that's just my opinion. What about yours? After all your research, what do you like and dislike more about Bruce's origin and what would do differently? I'm really curious to know :)
@@PlanetaTotalGames You know, I really appreciate your thoughtful and civilized argument. Thank you very much for that. I personally hate Barbatos because I hate Snyder's writing in general (before or after Rebirth), but it doesn't shake my conception of Batman as badly as it seems most of the commenters, because Barbatos wasn't interested in Batman until he travelled back in time during the Final Crisis, so it doesn't feel so sacrilegious. Batman earned Barbatos' obsession through his independent actions, in my opinion. And sorry to beat this fact to death, but the Wayne murders weren't random in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s... and so on.
DC is so convoluted but it's honestly why I like comics. It's like a history class but fun.
This is the stupidest writing I've ever heard in my life. Literally "Hey you know that event that happened in the comics? TURNS OUT THIS EVENT HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME/INSTEAD/AS WELL AND MY NEW CHARACTER WAS AT THE CENTER OF IT!!!!"
This is the problem with prequels
it's unfortunately the nature of DC/Marvel comics, trying to keep a status quo while trying to progress and build on characters.....just fundamentally can't work lol, especially with multiple writers who all have different ideas for stories.
chronology projects are fun, but they should never be treated like some kinda grand history of a character, since writers and editorial change their mind all the time, it's mostly just nerdy headcanon
The amount of people at the Wayne's deaths 💀
I just know this took months to write and record I appreciate that this video is amazing and you definitely earned a sub
Selinuh? Her name is Sel-ee-na, Selina Kyle.
I was surprised he ain called Dick "Dyke"
Same with the pronunciation of katana and wakazashi
Read by AI that's why
@@aidan_harris No, Aidan. It wasn't.
@@aidan_harris you can hear his breath... no AI
Dude. I've been waiting for someone to do something like this for a long time 😊
Jesus this timeline sucks (i mean the contents, not your video which is great btw). I feel like every modern writer for Batman wants to be Grant Morrison but without the skill or cohesion to create something that isn’t just needlessly complicated nonsense that’s full of retcons that just make previous events make less sense and characters like The Joker horrible in retrospect. Morrison knew what non-canon and past continuity to weave in and how to do it without cheapening or needlessly complicating things.
This isn't one coherent timeline. It's taking bits and pieces from... different ones and arguing it's coherent and current, but I'm not sure any current writers see it this way.
Man comic books can be convoluted sometimes
This timeline kinda sucks, Joker shouldn’t have a name and the whole Barbados bat-god thing is weird.
This is the canon timeline, but I do agree
That’s because these things weren’t meant to all be stated right in a row, DC treats their comics more like individual stories and less like a connected universe
@@HeroicAge616 Okay
That's not true at all, Heroic Age.
@@XenofictionReviews Why?
This video randomly popped on my feed and it's so well made? INSANE STUFF.
While this project is super cool, darn does it make things worse to know Bruce already knew of super powers and magic before even becoming Batman
I had this on as late night radio, the amount of things I did not know about Batman, so much lore. Amazing stuff.
Amazing video Xeno. Colin Colsher's blog is not only the most detailed telling of Batman canon I have ever seen, but also my main reference for when I'm forming my own Batman head canon. I wish every superhero had a blog written in this great of detail about their lives.
Yes!!
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
The fact that Identity Crisis is part of this Timeline really just makes it for me
It allows 52 to have also existed and therefore Booster Gold’s saving of the Multiverse that only he could know about
I have yet to finish this but I absolutely LOVE this video. I used to read the Batman Chronology Project a lot (specifically the Modern Age timeline), so seeing this video is amazing. One of the coolest continuity projects I have ever seen on the internet, I'm just sad there's not more projects like this out there.
My nigga,"Su-leen-a". Dope vid but that was killin me...
Butchered Sascha Bordeaux's name too.
I hate Reboots, i hate retcons, i hate universe restarts, i hate floating timelines.
Why the fuck cant we have a lineal non-confusing story?
thats what the movies are for unfortunately
@@TheSasukefire11 except they keep rebooting the live action movies as well
@@santinocermelo7330 .... 💀
Because it’s a series with dozens of writers and nobody wants to write or read almost a century’s worth of comic books to write or read a new one. None of it really matters.
because status quo is what keeps the big 2 comics alive, in a sense. if we had one single timeline of stories for the almost 100 years comics have been around, almost none of the iconic characters we know and love would still be around lol... at least not in a way that matters. they've tried multiple times to make a sensible timeline but ultimately undo/redo it every single time... tbh DC is an absolute mess with it's approach to timelines, they could've kept it somewhat flexible like Marvel but nope lol. hopefully the infinite frontier thing is the end of the finite multiverse idea, because DC throwing away decades of beloved stories as an attempt to get new audiences was always a pretty stupid mistake
Who the fuck thought making Vandal Savage a police commissioner is good idea? I starting to think they are running of ideas, looking that Gotham was attacked/destroyed/controlled by some supervillian 4/5 times during one year.
My god does his entire rogues gallery have to know his identity
All the different things happening at Bruce's parents death is so funny
I’ve heard nothing but terrible things about Tom Kings Batman and somehow it managed to surpass my expectations and be even worse then I thought
I am SO happy someone is showing off the RBCP and giving it its due credit! It's how I've been reading the modern era batman comics. Currently on year 9.
I've been using the Chronology Project for about a year as a guide, especially since tracking Superman's reboots-post-Crisis, Flashpoint, and Rebirth-makes one cohesive timeline difficult. To simplify, I've created two timelines.
The first is the Modern Age timeline, covering 15 years from Year One to Flashpoint. After Flashpoint, I accept the New 52's five-year history, with regained years being more mental than physical aging (e.g., Batman is physically 36 but mentally 46).
The second is the New 52 to present timeline. I’ve given two years each to the New 52 and Rebirth, one year for Infinite Frontier, and we’re currently in the first year of Dawn of DC, placing us in Year 21 today. While I'd prefer one continuous timeline for characters like Batman and Superman, the nature of comics makes it tough, especially with Superman's reboots.
Now, I haven't read close to everything in these timelines. In fact, I'm still in the Modern Age in my own reading order. I just finished Our Worlds at War and am now on the Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive arc. I started from Batman: Year One and John Byrne’s The Man of Steel, while also reading some Silver and Bronze Age stories to fill in those early years.
This timeline may change as I reach more recent comics, but after going through so many years of publication, I’m confident I won’t change my stance on not compressing the Modern Age.
Interesting! Collin's modern age is 23 years, so actually longer than yours, but he still compresses years. The main reason for this is DC insisted Tim was 17 by Flashpoint, which is ridiculous no matter how you slice it.
Tim's age is absolutely insane lol. That's where I have the hardest time with the timeline. I said forget it and had a super compressed year between No Man's Land up to Infinite Crisis. I kind of take the reasoning from Geek History Lessons timeline where they explain that year as to why Batman is such a jerk during that time because sooooo much crazy stuff keeps happening all at once. The reason I try to stick with 15 is to allow it to flow better with Dr Manhattan having taken 10 years of history. Which would give us the 5 year New 52 timeline.
@@shaemartin4770 Tim's age is one of the most confusing things to figure out when building the timeline. Colsher has a great article specifically on Tim's age on his blog.
sorry but this timeline in the video, is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. Iam a long time batman reader and this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
To summarize again briefly: my Batman timeline with 20 career years includes stories from the silver, bronze, modern and new age. Only the golden age stories were really a different Batman timeline with 41 Batman career years.
One of my favourite quirks with Batman's current history is how it affects the look of the Batsuit. He decides to start wearing a yellow oval on his batsuit in year 4, despite wearing it at random points in his 2nd and 3rd years of crime fighting. The suit from the Year One comic is used interchangeably with his Rebirth, Zero Year and Yellow Oval suits in his early history. And I think the first appearance suit showed up for a second. I guess Bruce was a bit of a fashionista back then, never wearing the same batsuit twice.
I love how detailed and well-researched it is! Can I request you do a version about Jason Todd/Red Hood too? I've read some comics about him but the transition from New52 to Rebirth really makes things convoluted imo
Listening to the watchmen stuff and thinking "man this is dumb" and then imdeitly getting slapped in the face with batman going to the fortnite universe
"sell-en-ah"
Absolutely incredible video, loved it, but watching this reminded me of so many of the reasons why Im sick of Batman and why its so hard for me to get back into DC comics: Batman has to be the mostest importantest bestest guy evar (seriously, I actually cant stand Dark Nights: Metal & Dark Nights: Death Metal) and everything has to be interconnected (whether it makes sense or not) in the most convoluted ways. Like, remember when the Anti-Monitor was basically just the anti-matter devil and not also the original Mobius and son of the newest tire of over-deity? Remember when Batman was just a rich, traumatized detective with rad gear? Remember when the Joker was clown themed psychopath who loved chaos and wasn't a David Xanatos-esque architect of everyone's suffering who monologues every other page?
Good times
this sounds like exactly what you’d expect from an 84 year old story
I gotta be honest, Not a fan of this Cannon
Right from the beginning this is ridiculous
Post crisis Pre Flashpoint is the best Batman era
Yeah I like to head canon away all the new ridiculous bat god stuff they’ve added. So dumb and so unnecessary.
nah the first few years were kinda interesting, albeit mostly unnecessary lol, shit slowly got worse the more it started going multiversal tho
Wait. Dick turned 17 in year 6, but wasn't he only 12 in year 3?
doh! nice catch!
He was 12 when Bruce took him in. Bruce was 29. By the time his training was done I figure Dick was 13 and Bruce was 30. My reasoning for that is Dick was Robin for six years and he became Nightwing as age 19.
@@ojmcclanahan689 Are these headcanons? According to the Chronology Project's calculations and the stated ages in the comics, Bruce was closer to 24 when he adopted Dick. Robin 80th Anniversary 100-Page Spectacular #1 specifically shows Dick quits being Robin on his 18th birthday.
@@XenofictionReviews No, that isn't headcanon, lol. Chronology Projects calculations are profoundly incorrect. How could Bruce adopt Dick at age 24 when he wasn't Batman yet or even in Gotham at age 24? In Batman Year One, Bruce is 26 years old when he becomes Batman. He adopted 12 year old Dick Grayson in Year Three. 26+3=29. He trained Dick for six months and Dick suited up as Robin for the first time at age 13. He was Robin for six years. He left home at 18 and started the Teen Titans as Robin. Around a year later, making Dick 19, Bruce felt that Dick was no longer dedicated to the cause in Gotham and fired him. Dick Grayson sought advice from Superman shortly after being fired and Superman told Dick a Kryptonian legend about a man cast out by his family, who devoted his life to fighting crime. He was known as Nightwing, taking his name from a nocturnal Kryptonian bird.
@@ojmcclanahan689 Xeno was referring to the Rebirth/Infinite Frontier timeline, not the modern age/Post-crisis timeline. In the current Rebirth/Infinite Frontier timeline, Bruce was roughly 21 or 22 when he became Batman, not 26 like in the modern age. In the current canon, Bruce left to travel the world at age sixteen, not fourteen like in the modern age, and returned to Gotham after five years of training, not twelve like in the modern age, just before his twenty-second birthday.
This is fantastically done! It must have been a ton of work, great job!
The thing with 17 different time travelers and evil gods being there when batmans parents died is the dumbest comic book shit i have ever heard it is legitimately embarrassing
Exactly. It's why I always say dc would be better as solo stories. All the reality warping and ancient magic nonsense makes Batman's origins and conflict against normal villains meaningless. Why would Batman be so broody and depressed by his parents death if he knew there was alternate reality where they were still alive or magic that can bring his kids back?
sorry but this timeline is the dumbest timeline i have ever heard. Maybe you will like my timeline. this is my batman timeline: in year 1: batman year one, monster men, mad monk, prey and the man who laughs happened. in year 2: venom, faith, going sane, terror, batman year two and long halloween 1-3 happened. in year 3: long halloween 4-12 and dark victory 1-3 happened. in year 4: dark victory 4-12, robin year one, JLA year one happened. in year 5-6: silver age era, batwoman, batgirl bette kane, barbara gordon batgirl year one happened. in years 7-10: bronze age happened, with batgirl barbara gordon, robin jason todd etc. in years 11-16: modern age happened, starting with killing joke, knightfall, no mans land, hush, under the hood, war games, batman R.I.P, batman reborn etc. in year 17: new 52 happened, council of owls, death of the family, endgame. in years 18-19: dc rebirth infinite frontier happened. and now we are in year 20. in short, in batman years 1-16 large parts of the silver age, bronze age and modern age are classified, and the new 52 and dc rebirth stuff is simply tacked on to the end in batman years 17-20. Whenever there were stupid stories in the New 52 and DC Rebirth stuff that changed the Batman timeline from year 1 to 16 through a reboot or retcon, I simply ignored it because I don't like reboots and retcons in an existing timeline, while 80% of the old timeline is still valid. For example, New 52 year zero and Batman Eternal are not valid in my timeline because they try to change existing things in the Batman timeline years 1-16. The rest of the New 52 stories that don't contradict the old timeline are simply added on in year 17 to the already existing timeline.
I enjoy watching these Batman videos here on You Tube and I enjoyed this one very much. Good work done here on this video.
12:52 Wait they ACTUALLY gave an in-universe explanation on why Batman disappears on Gordon??? I love that!
No, no, my bad. Those powers faded after he split from that group.
Great video. Further proves my point that since the DCU Batman will have Damian Wayne as his Robin, Batman should be at least 40 years old.
Thank you so much for doing this! The depth of knowledge and time it took to do this, hats off to you sir!
This is tremendous work but I think I took mental damage by watching this video
3 minutes in and we have alternate evil mirror universe demon destiny meddling. I fucking love/hate comics lmao
8 minutes in and I think it's settled on just "I fucking hate comics"
11 minutes 30 seconds in and I think I hate Batman too now.
year 17 is fuckin nuts 😭
The fact that this is only the 3rd video on the channel is crazy, like we are on top tier content
Boy this has gotten ridiculous. I prefer a chronology based on the 14 years that Denny O'Neil was the Batman group editor. It actually fits together pretty well.
Amazing video, deserves more views!
Hey! No Kite Man slander. That dude rocks. Hell yeah!
This is awesome, thanks so much for all your contribution to this project and compiling it here. Would have been awesome to have the comics for each clip on screen though, just to know what to read if we wanted to learn more
I still Can't believe that....I will live to see the Day where Batman will become Public Domain in a mere Decade....It is...an indescribable feeling.
Only 1939 batman. And then every year after that. You wont live long enough for it to reach modern day batman standards
@@mitchellbailey6258 Eh. doesn't matter. Sometimes creativity needs limits to flourish.
Is there a corner of the Bat-Mythos (and DC in general) left unsullied by the insipid and overused Harley frikkin Quinn? And the Barbatos stuff is unbelievably stupid. Well done DC. Nice work muddying up the cleanest and most iconic origin ever.
How the fuck that the writers passed a assassination of the parents to A GOD FROM ANOTHER MULTIVERSE CHOSING BRUCE AS THE CHOSEN ONE?
Man, just keep a origin that was estabilished for 80 years! God damn is that too hard?
Excellent job with this video, I always hoped something like this would one day exist
Shoutout Alex Lennen but this is the deep dive Batman chronology I've been waiting for.
1:55:22-1:55:43 - what tf are we even doing at this point
You should’ve posted this on the 21st lol, Batman day
Nice video 👍
That very first sentence ending with "darkest knight" threw me for such a loop, I don't even know how many times I re-listened to it. My god.
This video is awesome. Well done dude.
"Deaths in the family" really? What a way with words.
2 hours and 33 minutes of batman history. Dc really obsessed with batman
Who is "Sell Ena"😂
he said it right though
wait no
Personally I completely disregard the whole barbatos ushering Bruce’s life that’s the most ridiculous thing ever and completely takes away from the grounded approach that he lost his parents to a random act of crime him dealing with grief and going on the emotional and physical journey of becoming Batman to me that’s not canon at all and I think all Batman fans would agree
The Wayne murders were never random, not since the Golden Age, mister real fan.
It is NUTS how many names you fumbled 😭
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They may not have broken The Bat, but they sure broke me by trading Post-Crisis DC in for Crisis-Upon-Crisis DC. I know all of these stories don't happen one after another so quickly, but it doesn't make Barbatos any easier to swallow or Mr. Freeze being abusive any more tolerable. I would have preferred Batman died in Final Crisis and never came back so DC would have so many avenues for new stories than keep rebooting things so they can keep revisiting old stories with tweaks and leaning on their legacy so much that even a man with no powers is somehow the cornerstone of the universe.
At least back issues and trades of old stories still exist and can be read with their old context in mind if one so chooses.
The entire Tom King run, particularly Bane and Flashpoint Batman were so terribly written. It was an absolute mess that went on for far too long long despite even being cancelled early.
Tom king is a fraud but he’s one of the the only writers to put respect on bane after knightfall
Ok I’m finally going to understand the Batman comics and the DC universe *watches video and head explodes like in the movie Scanners*
Also noticing a concerning lack of Scooby Doo Batman Crossovers
It's an exhausted story. Batman is 1939, not 2024.
I made it 8 minutes in and decided that this is way too goofy and am not going to finish
Wow. This was a GREAT video & I don't mind a 43 yr old but your timeline gives us, arguably, a 35 year old Grayson, a near 40 year old Barbara, 26 yr old Tim, 19 year old Damian, etc. Even Gordon was stated to be 45-47 as recently as REBIRTH. It's quite the impressive undertaking and certainly NOT helped by some of these absolutely over the top events written by bad writers with lazy editors. I applaud you and hope you make more. If it's any help, had I done something similar, I always considered taking EVERY character appearnace.....equating that as roughly one day of their life and seeing how that equated.
Sorry this timeline is wrong about batman career years! Furthermore, all of the Silver, Bronze, Modern Age, and New 52 events were squeezed into Batman years one to 15, and since DC Rebirth, they simply counted one year. When a year of comics was published, Bruce Wayne also became a year older. Of course, that's wrong!
This is amazing man
The Barbados shit completely ruins the grim and gothic tone that Batman had when I was a child. I loved how scary and plausible everything felt.
It feels criminal that they have Superman before Robin, and beyond that, a fresh-faced Batman having to worry about maniacs like the Joker and his ilk AS he also needs to prep for fighting aliens. It's like there was no thought put i to the progression of the early grounded Batman intention to him in the Justice League (Not to mention the character progression)
What do you mean with Superman? He always existed before Robin, he actually debuts before Batman. There hasn't been a single time in existence Robin came first.
Amazing vid bro. more like this. helps ppl understand the character better. like a jumping off point. the xmen, avengers, titans and a lot of characters/comics could use this treatment. your page will go far fr 💯
thank you so much for me it was way more structured than the alex lennen video
Incredible work
Great video!
3 minutes in and he already mentioned an evil demigod
This is so awesome!
when you lay it all out like that, it sounds just a bit silly
I got past "orchestrated backstory", "porky pig", and a lot of the other insanity, but you bring out super pets and TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES and I'm--
The straw that broke the camel's back. Is a very real turn of phrase. That I am feeling very hard right now. What even is the madness that is comic book convolutedness. Who in Krypton came up with all of this???
Speedy could have always been addicted to velocity.
56:26 OF COURSE!
See we all know comics are ridiculous, we shouldn’t be surprised when random BS happens… but come on a human version of porky pig naming the Batmobile has to be one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard.
The secret batman before batman trope is terrible
Bruh how is none of this comment section talkin about how Fortnite Batman is canon
Its really funny bc like a week ago I wished that there was literally this video on youtube. I think you answered my prayers unknowingly.
A worthy effort. I love to see passionate people trying to recreate a coherent timeline, you put more effort into this than DC ever will. Unfortunately, apart from reminding me of overly convoluted some stories are and how I really want to forget the barbatos retcon this timeline doesn't work. Just one example, Diaman is 17 in your timeline when he's supposed to be 14. And also the future timeline combines different timelines for some reason. Also you do a good job of compressing adventures to fit into one year but at the end we get two years worth of stories in five years.
PS: How I do comics book chronology, every comics years = 5 real years. So Batman is currently in year 16 almost 17. Works surprisingly well for most character unfortunately overuses of Batman make is years quite bloated, but it's a problem in every chronology.
Damian was stated to be 14 almost eight years ago. It's not a mistake to say he grew up. My future timeline doesn't combine different ones, it simply puts every glimpse at the future on the same plane. Randomly compressing every five years seems way more arbitrary and less scientific.
@@XenofictionReviews So I thought it was writen in Dark Crisis the Dark army that he is 14 but I was wrong but he is said to be 14 in robin #1 (2021) and Joshua Williamson (writer of the Batman and Robin run) said he was 15 in an interview but I didn't verify myself. And yes my method is arbitrary but for most character who have one run per year like the Hulk (or most Marvel and DC characters) it work pretty well its only when we get to Batman and is five comics per weeks that I get time compression problems (or Wolverine). Also I noticed that you didn't includ many Bronze age stories do you think most of them are retconed or you just didn't have time to cover them ? I'm also wondering why always use the most up to date art is there a reason ?
@@archeogeek315 Allow me to explain my (Collin Cosher)'s metholodogy. This video isn't a "history of Batman". It's a History of the Current Batman Post Superman Reborn. Old stories are only included if a modern comic references and enables them to have happened; I don't pick and choose based of preference or taste - it tries to follow a scientific method.
Im sorry you had to read tom king's run to make this.
You are loved and appreciated!
Amazing vid bro, subscribing
I love how the narrator can be so seriously unserious
Nightwing and Supergirl going on a date is so dumb