Ben and Ethan's developed ability to predict plot points before they happen is matched only by Sal's ability to keep a poker face when they do so (when he chooses to).
I love how in this episode we see Ethan and Ben growth on display Both pointing out actual continuity really shows how far both of them have come Also Ethan becoming more and more baffled at the things that are happening within the book is hilarious XD
@@chrisdaily2077 100% I think embodies how crazy comics have become now lol I cannot wait for them to do dark crisis someday Where Sal has to breakdown how a villian team with doomsday,Darkseid and Nekron still lose XD
46:53- This is the best I can come up with Ethan. I think the way that Thawne explains it to Barry in the main Flashpoint book, Barry saving his mom was basically him “acting like a bullet through a windshield”. Barry accidentally sent out ripples of distortion all across time via the Speed Force when he saved his mom.
I like the explanation in the Flashpoint movie a bit more, even though it basically says the same thing. "You break the sound barrier? Sonic boom. You broke the TIME barrier. Time boom." Probably wouldn't work in the comics though because of the implication that ANY time travel would have these wild ripple effects, and Barry isn't the only time traveler, but as someone who kind of wants time travel off the table, and is therefore biased, I like it a lot. XD
…almost like a hand going through a wall…or more like a fist punching a metaphorical time wall to restore reality? *superboy prime screams from the either*
@@FacelessPorcelain The movie did used the same explaination in the comics. I specifically remember Thawne saying "Ripples of disortion radiate out through time" in the movie.
Geoff Johns is damn crazy. He used to retcon massive plot points established by other writers but now he's...retconning his own stuff. His current Justice Society/New Golden Age is NUTS, he's shoving OCs into the Golden Age
As we head to the end of yet another year, I just want to express how much ComicPop has meant to me for the past four years. It's always the first thing I watch every Wednesday and a frequently on when I'm doing prepro for my film work, especially during the story boarding process. Thanks for another year, Sal, Ethan, Ben, and Tiffany.
I remember my first video of ComicPop was JLA/Avengers and I'm glad to have found this channel and have it as a constant throughout High school, College, and now with a big boy Job (lol) Happy new year and wishes for many more years together.
1:13:28 the problem wasn't that he didn't give joker a name, it's that he killed the other two and didn't even give them any backstory. I would like to see who other two were. The second one was apparently the one from the 70s or something, so maybe he's really good with contraptions and stuff. The first one's a mobster type and got sick of being the joker. That had merit to it. The third one's a former comedian who was probably already an arsehole before the acid.
Agreed entirely, the concept of Three Jokers and their VERY specific designs and mentalities tying into certain eras had me so excited to see what happens and in the end the story was entirely meaningless.
I interpreted it as the other two were fake and the true joker was always the comedian, hence the reveal at the end of three jokers plus the real name in this, there was only ever one joker
I remember back when Three Jokers was first announced that there was a prevalent fan theory going around that each of the Three Jokers was from a different era of Batman comics. So you had the Golden Age serious gangster, the goofy and mostly-harmless Silver Age prankster, and the more modern/edgy serial killer of the Bronze Age. In hindsight, that would probably have been way more interesting to explore than what we actually got.
Flashpoint Batman #3 I remember having a really cool cover: Thomas Batman and Martha Joker holding hands over the chalk outline of Child Bruce's body. "I extracted an alternate timeline and made it into its own separate world and it's breaking everything" could have been a good meta commentary on the way elseworld/What If type stories are often intended to be one-shots but later get brought into main continuity without thinking through the consequences.
I kind of half agree with Johns about how continuity works, it isn't popularity with the readers so much as it is what writers find interesting. Interesting enough to write about or retcon.
I sort of agree with that general sentiment as well; I just think Geoff’s being unnecessarily petty about it, and that sort of hampers his argument. It’s one of those “you’re not wrong, you’re just being an asshole” situations.
This was way better than Dark Crisis though and told a single story throughout. The little teases are reference to the new JSA run Johns is currently releasing.
Thank you all for a WILD year of Comic Pop!! Very glad that the second channel is working out! In the new year, I pray that Sal paces himself a little more forgivingly. Trying to be everywhere, all the time, all at once is crazy!
Y'know, after rewatching this episode, I have a theory about Geoff Johns. I think he is jealous of Scott Snyder. Scott did what John's wanted to do but better. John's had control on the line with rebirth and was building towards Doomsday Clock but fumbled the bag because all of the delays. And then Scott took over with Metal and Death Metal. And say what you want about them but Scott told his story and he did it on time and then left but he was very vocal about leaving and left on good terms with everything. And to add insult to injury, Scott worked in Doomsday Clock into Death Metal when he did not have to, the entirety of DC was ignoring Doomsday Clock but Scott took it upon himself to say no Doomsday Clock happened and it matters.
"What is the Joker's real name?" The only acceptable answer: "...Jugemu Jugemu Goko no Surikire Kaijarisuigyo no Suigyomatsu Unraimatsu Furaimatsu Ku Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yabura Koji no Bura Koji Paipo-paipo Paipo no Shuringan Shuringan no Gurindai Gurindai no Ponpokopi no Ponpokona no Chokyumei no Chosuke." And that's why no one knows it. No one wants to write that down.
I wanted to read this series first (not anytime soon), but it's impossible to ignore Back Issues!! Getting different perspectives on stories is always fascinating to me.
Lol "another grandpa to hang out with!" I would love a show with Sal and casual comics doing voices for these superheroes. They make these stories even better
That page and the following few panels explaining “Um, _actually,_ Dark Crisis is bullshit and here’s what you should _really_ care about in the DC Universe” was possibly the single pettiest thing I’ve ever seen anyone write in a comic.
That is pretty cool to think about Flashpoint as Batman’s version of a Kandor. I’m rooting for the Flashpoint Universe, maybe after the Kryptonians and Themyscarians are done fighting things can get better for them!
Man i didnt think we could be more spoiled! Flashpoint beyond and death metal!!! Fantastic! Happy New Year guys🎉 ps ethan talking about thawne will never get old
Finally! I thought you guys wouldn't be doing this one for awhile. I also had a cool thought. You guys were among the first three channels I ever subscribed to. And now here we are almost 11 or 12 years later and you guys are the only of those three I still am subscribed to. You guys have been the one thing I always had to look forward to. From the bottom of my heart. Thank you 4 for everything you have done for me without ever knowing
I still remember reading the final issue of Flashpoint Beyond and thinking the Kryptonians were introduced in the issue because they were first in issue 3 and then disappeared. The audacity to set up a sequel to this at the end with the Doomsday Clock tie-in.
We joke about people saying Bloodlines matters, but Ballistic showed up during this. Loose Cannon showed up in DC vs Vampires. I give it a decade before some young buck writer makes it to DC and breaks the New Bloods out of their toy chest again.
Read Flashpoint Beyond today to watch this video. Loved it!! I also re-read Flashpoint, Button, and Doomsday Clock to prep. I am ABSOLUTELY here for GJ's upcoming doomsday clock/Flashpoint related work!
Good. If "everything matters" then "nothing matters". DCs handling of continuity has been absolute trash since Geoff Johns left. He basically has to fix everything they ruined.
Thomas having a robin seems perfect for a crazier version of joker taking Jason Todd. Yes hyper time is crayyyyyzzzyyyy but how about a stripped down more serious sentimental story: detective work, high stakes, brutal fights, and Batman v joker
Now I just watched the Archie Zombies episode, so given my knew found knowledge I declare, that we all want a double issue of Archie vr predator 1&2. Don't lie people you know you do.
So the kryptonians in the Flashpoint Universe are basically viltrumites? Also, if they are planning to invade Earth what the fuck are the Green Lanterns doing??
Thanks for doing this one! I had been interested in this but passed as the plot seemed convoluted as hell and there wasn't a clean "hook" for the sequel like the original story. After watching this the story seems absolutely bonkers in a good way which inspired me to go grab a copy.
It's odd that I noticed that in the whole wayne and Al ghul family: Ra's, Talia, Thomas, Martha and Damian. Bruce is the only one that doesn't kill, all of them kills people except Bruce.
In my reading, the joker was a petty criminal but never fell into chemical bath. But he decided to reform and started a new life with a new identity- so “Jack Oswald White” might NOT be his real name at all- opposite, in fact. I have to believe this, or someday somebody is going to write a story in which it’s revealed that Joker and Perry White are related
Am I the only person who really enjoyed Doomsday Clock? I really liked the theme of how the cynicism of the New 52 was a bad thing. Also the art is god-tier.
THANK YOU. People always forget that at the time of doomsday clock it was the tearing down finally of new 52 where our og heroes finally came back and fixed dc continuity. Also what a great Superman story we get with the meta verse where he keeps changing with time. Doomsday clock was great!
i liked it, some was a little bit confusing but i didnt read the regular issues at the time, and i only pickt it up because i like Geoff Johnes Writting and i like Watchmen.
I just wanted to see a Batman beyond with Thomas Wayne having the high tech suit, getting too old and passing it on to a Terry that is more brutal but finds the true meaning of Batman, a protector of a city ultimately a fools crusade but a worthy one for the few people saved along the way...but I like most of Geoff Johns stuff anyway so this could be a fun read!!!
Okay so I'm kinda interested in how they write the watchman if it is clark, I liked the potential implications of him. Like he was the part I wanted to see expanded on from the original doomsday clock event.
Clark was always gonna come to the main DC universe. That's literally why Dr. Manhattan left Marionette and Mime in the DCU, as a homing beacon for Clark to use one day.
So, the omniverse concept, it basically allows the readers and writers to pick and choose everything from these characters' histories that we like. Johns' argument is that the readers should be allowed to choose what matters, and that the omniverse negates that. However, the omniverse is just a way of allowing readers to do that. So what is the argument?
The death of Barry's mother is an important event in time. Changing it sends out ripples in the timeline that change events before and after, like Superman and Joe Chill and the whole war thing
The Flashpoint episode is one of my favorite episode you guys have ever done. All the speed force and time travel frustrating Ben and Ethan is the best
I found Flashpoint Beyond miserable and impenetrable during the first issue. However, I kept picking it up out of curious. By the time Superman showed up and actually created a beacon of hope, I got it. I ultimately connected more with this than Dark Crisis.
Wow, thanks for the Christmas gift. I was holding off reading this, now you're saving me the trouble and I can get back to the good comics! Woohoo! Back Issues for ever! Happy Holidays to everyone!
I remember when Flashpoint was first teased at the end of Johns' The Flash #1 from 2010. I never would have imagined the horrible chain of events that tease would set into motion.
It goes without saying that Flashpoint Beyond would work better without the larger connections to Watchmen, Doomsday Clock, Three Jokers, Dark Crisis. I like the idea of using the pieces created by those stories, the Manhattan Particles and the watch and such, but the larger connections are not really needed. I think this comic would still work by removing all the Bruce Wayne and Time Master story stuff and revealing them at the end, puling back to show the snow globe. But personally I really like the reveal of characters being inserted into DC's gold and silver age. It's because I'm a fan of the pre-crisis earth 2 stories, and the old Golden age characters and such, but just as the Young All Stars added to the world of the golden age post Crisis, i think these characters could potentially do the same. Mind you no one uses Iron Munroe and Fury and Neptune Perkins but I still like them.
How could you possibly know that when we haven't seen the payoff yet? The Doomsday Clock references are setting up a story in the new JSA book that will involve Clark Hollis returning to the DCU. It's foreshadowing a future storyline. It doesn't really affect the plot of Flashpoint Beyond.
@@Negi2468 Within Flashpoint Beyond I feel the larger connections to those comics clutter it. Yes obviously this connects to the JSA book and probably other future story lines. But they could have worked some of those plot points into a different story, maybe make that more of a focus in The New Golden Age for instance. Using the pieces that now exist in the universe is one thing, but the overt and specific references to these other stories weigh down a comic I think would be more interesting without them. Not just to the ongoing use and continuation of Watchmen but Three Jokers and Dark Crisis as well. It didn't need them for the bulk of the story to work.
I feel the story works better without them. They are unneeded parts to the whole of Flashpoint Beyond. I like Flashpoint Beyond over all, I find it an interesting continuation of an alternative universe and a good ending, if one that could be opened up again, for that universe. But you can edit out the references to Three Jokers, Dark Crisis, and even Doomsday Clock and Watchmen and it think it steam lines the story some.
Heh, Flashpoint and New 52 brought me back to DC after 10+ years of ignoring DC. Then Flashpoint Beyond brought me back in. Maybe I just like Geoff Johns. It did get me into World's Finest too and the latest run of Batman.
@@DanV900 In my case Flashpoint brought me in for the first time. I was put off DC as a kid by Emerald Twilight as that came out, since my favourite character was Green Lantern, and got worse, and far to brutal for my kid self to get into. I remember my grandfather being excited to get me into DC, then his excitement turn to horror with that book.
From my understanding, Barry creating Flashpoint sent a ripple through time, which displaced events from their normal conclusion. It's like a train derailment. You don't just boot one car off the tracks and expect the whole train to be okay. That one car going off the rails causes a domino effect that drags the rest of the train with it. Barry saving his mother was the car derailment.
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“Is it the Joker?”
I immediately lost it at Sal’s face 😂
Ben and Ethan's developed ability to predict plot points before they happen is matched only by Sal's ability to keep a poker face when they do so (when he chooses to).
It's crazy that after all these years, We got a sequel to the Flashpoint Back issues episode.
I love how in this episode we see Ethan and Ben growth on display
Both pointing out actual continuity really shows how far both of them have come
Also Ethan becoming more and more baffled at the things that are happening within the book is hilarious XD
Somehow, the increased knowledge of comics has only caused Ethan to be more baffled by comics.
@@chrisdaily2077 going through the shows with them that’s certainly been my experience
@@chrisdaily2077 100%
I think embodies how crazy comics have become now lol
I cannot wait for them to do dark crisis someday
Where Sal has to breakdown how a villian team with doomsday,Darkseid and Nekron still lose XD
46:53- This is the best I can come up with Ethan.
I think the way that Thawne explains it to Barry in the main Flashpoint book, Barry saving his mom was basically him “acting like a bullet through a windshield”.
Barry accidentally sent out ripples of distortion all across time via the Speed Force when he saved his mom.
I like the explanation in the Flashpoint movie a bit more, even though it basically says the same thing.
"You break the sound barrier? Sonic boom. You broke the TIME barrier. Time boom."
Probably wouldn't work in the comics though because of the implication that ANY time travel would have these wild ripple effects, and Barry isn't the only time traveler, but as someone who kind of wants time travel off the table, and is therefore biased, I like it a lot. XD
…almost like a hand going through a wall…or more like a fist punching a metaphorical time wall to restore reality? *superboy prime screams from the either*
@@FacelessPorcelain The movie did used the same explaination in the comics.
I specifically remember Thawne saying
"Ripples of disortion radiate out through time" in the movie.
Best explanation is in animated flashpoint *Time boom*
@@FacelessPorcelain TIME BOOM! Love that line. Man, I miss when animated DC movies were good.
"What am I, Harlan Ellison!?! I'm fucking writing comic books here!" has got to be a quote for the ages.
I'm shocked Sal restrained himself from calling Evil Dr. Manhatten "Dr. Brooklyn"
1:06:00 “Death Metal’s dumb!” - Geoff Johns
Hold on, wait a minute Johns, you might have pulled me back in
WoW this was much better than the actual comic. And I liked the comic. You guys are great. The "Harlan Ellison" line was hilarious. Thanks guys
Ethan with 10 years of context just allows him to be more confused, and it makes for an even more excellent show 😅
Geoff Johns is damn crazy. He used to retcon massive plot points established by other writers but now he's...retconning his own stuff. His current Justice Society/New Golden Age is NUTS, he's shoving OCs into the Golden Age
As we head to the end of yet another year, I just want to express how much ComicPop has meant to me for the past four years. It's always the first thing I watch every Wednesday and a frequently on when I'm doing prepro for my film work, especially during the story boarding process. Thanks for another year, Sal, Ethan, Ben, and Tiffany.
24:23 My name is Barry Allen and I'm the deadest man alive🤣
I remember my first video of ComicPop was JLA/Avengers and I'm glad to have found this channel and have it as a constant throughout High school, College, and now with a big boy Job (lol) Happy new year and wishes for many more years together.
Man can't imagine that it's been a year already. Happy new year everybody and thanks comicpop for a year full of laughs
1:13:28 the problem wasn't that he didn't give joker a name, it's that he killed the other two and didn't even give them any backstory.
I would like to see who other two were. The second one was apparently the one from the 70s or something, so maybe he's really good with contraptions and stuff. The first one's a mobster type and got sick of being the joker. That had merit to it. The third one's a former comedian who was probably already an arsehole before the acid.
Agreed entirely, the concept of Three Jokers and their VERY specific designs and mentalities tying into certain eras had me so excited to see what happens and in the end the story was entirely meaningless.
I interpreted it as the other two were fake and the true joker was always the comedian, hence the reveal at the end of three jokers plus the real name in this, there was only ever one joker
@@danse777macabre then the chair would never have said there were 3
I remember back when Three Jokers was first announced that there was a prevalent fan theory going around that each of the Three Jokers was from a different era of Batman comics. So you had the Golden Age serious gangster, the goofy and mostly-harmless Silver Age prankster, and the more modern/edgy serial killer of the Bronze Age. In hindsight, that would probably have been way more interesting to explore than what we actually got.
Ethan's patience with this story is impressive. The progressive devolution of the sighing "ok" alone, kudos.
Flashpoint Batman #3 I remember having a really cool cover: Thomas Batman and Martha Joker holding hands over the chalk outline of Child Bruce's body.
"I extracted an alternate timeline and made it into its own separate world and it's breaking everything" could have been a good meta commentary on the way elseworld/What If type stories are often intended to be one-shots but later get brought into main continuity without thinking through the consequences.
I kind of half agree with Johns about how continuity works, it isn't popularity with the readers so much as it is what writers find interesting. Interesting enough to write about or retcon.
I sort of agree with that general sentiment as well; I just think Geoff’s being unnecessarily petty about it, and that sort of hampers his argument. It’s one of those “you’re not wrong, you’re just being an asshole” situations.
This and Dark Crisis are absolutely BAFFLING events that had me asking myself what the hell DC is doing right now
This was way better than Dark Crisis though and told a single story throughout. The little teases are reference to the new JSA run Johns is currently releasing.
Thank you all for a WILD year of Comic Pop!! Very glad that the second channel is working out!
In the new year, I pray that Sal paces himself a little more forgivingly.
Trying to be everywhere, all the time, all at once is crazy!
Y'know, after rewatching this episode, I have a theory about Geoff Johns. I think he is jealous of Scott Snyder. Scott did what John's wanted to do but better. John's had control on the line with rebirth and was building towards Doomsday Clock but fumbled the bag because all of the delays. And then Scott took over with Metal and Death Metal. And say what you want about them but Scott told his story and he did it on time and then left but he was very vocal about leaving and left on good terms with everything. And to add insult to injury, Scott worked in Doomsday Clock into Death Metal when he did not have to, the entirety of DC was ignoring Doomsday Clock but Scott took it upon himself to say no Doomsday Clock happened and it matters.
"What is the Joker's real name?"
The only acceptable answer: "...Jugemu Jugemu Goko no Surikire Kaijarisuigyo no Suigyomatsu Unraimatsu Furaimatsu Ku Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yabura Koji no Bura Koji Paipo-paipo Paipo no Shuringan Shuringan no Gurindai Gurindai no Ponpokopi no Ponpokona no Chokyumei no Chosuke."
And that's why no one knows it. No one wants to write that down.
Classic, mustache🤣
@@amanzeihedioha We should expect nothing less from the legend himself.
I wanted to read this series first (not anytime soon), but it's impossible to ignore Back Issues!! Getting different perspectives on stories is always fascinating to me.
How many more times are they gonna make Batman’s obsessive nature the reason for the near destruction of existence.
Once or twice per year at this damn point
Lol "another grandpa to hang out with!"
I would love a show with Sal and casual comics doing voices for these superheroes. They make these stories even better
massive respect to my man GJ writing his own fanfiction of a bunch of other stories he read as a young man then making it REAL
I don't get it. This has like 2 pages referencing GJ's original character Clark Dreiberg/Hollis.
Say what you will about Geoff Johns, he’s living all of our dreams
"See Bruce!?!? Being Batman sucks! You should quit"
Bruce- "Thanks. I fucking knew that dad." *Throws Thomas into Arkham*
The only time I heard of this book was on social media where people shared the page "confirming" not much is changing after Dark Crisis.
That page and the following few panels explaining “Um, _actually,_ Dark Crisis is bullshit and here’s what you should _really_ care about in the DC Universe” was possibly the single pettiest thing I’ve ever seen anyone write in a comic.
I saw more about this then Dark Crisis lol
Dark Crisis has to be the least hyped event Ive ever seen. Death Metal and Bendis ruined DC.
Ben as a New Year’s Baby would have been hilarious LOL! Happy New Year, guys! Sal, Ben, Ethan, and Tiffany are the real life Fantastic Four!! 🤓 (4)💙
Sal's Dan DiDio is uncanny... :o
Flashpoint Krypton = Planet Vegeta, which is really coming full circle since Saiyans are just Evil Kryptonians.
That is pretty cool to think about Flashpoint as Batman’s version of a Kandor. I’m rooting for the Flashpoint Universe, maybe after the Kryptonians and Themyscarians are done fighting things can get better for them!
Great episode as always. Jack White was also the alias that Joker used in the Arkham Asylum video game.
Another BANGER before the year ends. Thanks comic pop!!
Man i didnt think we could be more spoiled! Flashpoint beyond and death metal!!! Fantastic! Happy New Year guys🎉 ps ethan talking about thawne will never get old
Finally! I thought you guys wouldn't be doing this one for awhile.
I also had a cool thought. You guys were among the first three channels I ever subscribed to. And now here we are almost 11 or 12 years later and you guys are the only of those three I still am subscribed to. You guys have been the one thing I always had to look forward to. From the bottom of my heart. Thank you 4 for everything you have done for me without ever knowing
I still remember reading the final issue of Flashpoint Beyond and thinking the Kryptonians were introduced in the issue because they were first in issue 3 and then disappeared. The audacity to set up a sequel to this at the end with the Doomsday Clock tie-in.
It seems extra funny that DC is the Divine Continuity when it being reset every 5 minutes is the cause of all of its problems in an out of story.
We joke about people saying Bloodlines matters, but Ballistic showed up during this. Loose Cannon showed up in DC vs Vampires. I give it a decade before some young buck writer makes it to DC and breaks the New Bloods out of their toy chest again.
The Bloodlines aliens were in Dark Crisis.
I love your videos! you should make one about the last JSA Geoff Johns last series and his departure from DC 🙏
Read Flashpoint Beyond today to watch this video. Loved it!! I also re-read Flashpoint, Button, and Doomsday Clock to prep. I am ABSOLUTELY here for GJ's upcoming doomsday clock/Flashpoint related work!
Geoff Johns! *Finger guns*
10:13 God I hated when Thomas Wayne Batman came back in Tom King’s run
👈🏻☝🏻👈🏻☝🏻Geoff Johns👆🏻👉🏻👆🏻👉🏻
I feel like Geoff John's Flashpoint Beyond is his way of saying only my stuff matters because if everything matters then my stuff doesn't matter
That work for me!
Good. If "everything matters" then "nothing matters". DCs handling of continuity has been absolute trash since Geoff Johns left. He basically has to fix everything they ruined.
Props to Ethan for the Elseworld shout out!
He is one of us
Thomas having a robin seems perfect for a crazier version of joker taking Jason Todd. Yes hyper time is crayyyyyzzzyyyy but how about a stripped down more serious sentimental story: detective work, high stakes, brutal fights, and Batman v joker
Yessssss happy new years comicpop!
Now I just watched the Archie Zombies episode, so given my knew found knowledge I declare, that we all want a double issue of Archie vr predator 1&2.
Don't lie people you know you do.
Oh absolutely! Such a great weird crossover
"A character called The Watchmen" that sounds like a joke. Like naming a conflict in Star Wars as "The Star War"
The Watchman
So the kryptonians in the Flashpoint Universe are basically viltrumites? Also, if they are planning to invade Earth what the fuck are the Green Lanterns doing??
I was thinking that like 'oh way to rip off kirkman' haha
Sal: “Don’t do it!”
Geoff Johns: “…I’m gonna fucking do it…”
Thanks for doing this one! I had been interested in this but passed as the plot seemed convoluted as hell and there wasn't a clean "hook" for the sequel like the original story. After watching this the story seems absolutely bonkers in a good way which inspired me to go grab a copy.
It's odd that I noticed that in the whole wayne and Al ghul family: Ra's, Talia, Thomas, Martha and Damian. Bruce is the only one that doesn't kill, all of them kills people except Bruce.
The original first year Batman killed
@@porkhill6665 That’s not even the same character though and he stopped killing very quickly due to the comics code.
Honestly, the idea that _Batman_ is the black sheep of the Batfamily in terms of not killing people is so funny to me
At this rate maybe there will be a retcon that bruce is adopted, because he doesn't kill or something.
In my reading, the joker was a petty criminal but never fell into chemical bath. But he decided to reform and started a new life with a new identity- so “Jack Oswald White” might NOT be his real name at all- opposite, in fact.
I have to believe this, or someday somebody is going to write a story in which it’s revealed that Joker and Perry White are related
“For one thing she needed to get all the information she needed” 😂😂😂😂😂
Am I the only person who really enjoyed Doomsday Clock? I really liked the theme of how the cynicism of the New 52 was a bad thing. Also the art is god-tier.
THANK YOU. People always forget that at the time of doomsday clock it was the tearing down finally of new 52 where our og heroes finally came back and fixed dc continuity. Also what a great Superman story we get with the meta verse where he keeps changing with time. Doomsday clock was great!
I like Doomsday clock too. One of the best event comics imo. Sucks that Dc didn’t follow Johns’ plans for Dc going forward after rebirth
I enjoyed it a lot. I wish that set the road map for DC instead of Death Metal.
Sal liked Doomsday Clock
i liked it, some was a little bit confusing but i didnt read the regular issues at the time, and i only pickt it up because i like Geoff Johnes Writting and i like Watchmen.
"It's not him at his best." (Just awesome)
I hadn't heard of this before. I was really hoping it would be the set 50 years into the future of the Flashpoint timeline
37:31 😂😂😂😂😂 what a great episode!!!
The New 52 is what got me into comics.
So....Batman missed his daddy so much that he messed with time and created...a flashpoint timeline?
I just wanted to see a Batman beyond with Thomas Wayne having the high tech suit, getting too old and passing it on to a Terry that is more brutal but finds the true meaning of Batman, a protector of a city ultimately a fools crusade but a worthy one for the few people saved along the way...but I like most of Geoff Johns stuff anyway so this could be a fun read!!!
Okay so I'm kinda interested in how they write the watchman if it is clark, I liked the potential implications of him. Like he was the part I wanted to see expanded on from the original doomsday clock event.
Clark was always gonna come to the main DC universe. That's literally why Dr. Manhattan left Marionette and Mime in the DCU, as a homing beacon for Clark to use one day.
I'm surprised there wasn't a 'Wayne's World' joke in this lol
If he had just made jokers last name Kennedy esquire, he could have been jack Oswald Kennedy esquire, J.O.K.E 😂 1:12:10
So, the omniverse concept, it basically allows the readers and writers to pick and choose everything from these characters' histories that we like. Johns' argument is that the readers should be allowed to choose what matters, and that the omniverse negates that. However, the omniverse is just a way of allowing readers to do that. So what is the argument?
1:14:16 Is my spiritual answer to all PREQUELS, UNNECESSARY FLASHBACKS and RETCONS that go no where!
Hard to believe it’s almost the new year. Thanks for the amazing content and laughs and hope the new year brings you good fortune
This dropped at the perfect time. On my birthday with enough time before the festivities to enjoy? Sign me up! Happy new year everyone!
Happy new year comic pop :)
Grant Morrison must be lovin' the Hypertime!!
Also, did John's intend to use the "lonely place for dying" plot with two face and joker?
The death of Barry's mother is an important event in time. Changing it sends out ripples in the timeline that change events before and after, like Superman and Joe Chill and the whole war thing
Her death is a retcon, she was alive before Flash Rebirth (2009) introduced that
I love that dexters shirt has a GR on it and the G was covered by the utility belt so it was just the R
The facial expressions in the first 12 minutes is the late Christmas present I never knew I needed
The Flashpoint episode is one of my favorite episode you guys have ever done. All the speed force and time travel frustrating Ben and Ethan is the best
I found Flashpoint Beyond miserable and impenetrable during the first issue. However, I kept picking it up out of curious. By the time Superman showed up and actually created a beacon of hope, I got it. I ultimately connected more with this than Dark Crisis.
Wow, thanks for the Christmas gift. I was holding off reading this, now you're saving me the trouble and I can get back to the good comics! Woohoo! Back Issues for ever!
Happy Holidays to everyone!
I remember when Flashpoint was first teased at the end of Johns' The Flash #1 from 2010. I never would have imagined the horrible chain of events that tease would set into motion.
Jack White is the Joker. I’m dying. A seven nation army couldn’t hold him back.
DC can’t give Watchmen back to Allan Moore. He doesn’t want Watchmen.
J W was on the breifcase in the Three Jokers
It goes without saying that Flashpoint Beyond would work better without the larger connections to Watchmen, Doomsday Clock, Three Jokers, Dark Crisis. I like the idea of using the pieces created by those stories, the Manhattan Particles and the watch and such, but the larger connections are not really needed. I think this comic would still work by removing all the Bruce Wayne and Time Master story stuff and revealing them at the end, puling back to show the snow globe. But personally I really like the reveal of characters being inserted into DC's gold and silver age. It's because I'm a fan of the pre-crisis earth 2 stories, and the old Golden age characters and such, but just as the Young All Stars added to the world of the golden age post Crisis, i think these characters could potentially do the same. Mind you no one uses Iron Munroe and Fury and Neptune Perkins but I still like them.
How could you possibly know that when we haven't seen the payoff yet? The Doomsday Clock references are setting up a story in the new JSA book that will involve Clark Hollis returning to the DCU. It's foreshadowing a future storyline. It doesn't really affect the plot of Flashpoint Beyond.
@@Negi2468 Within Flashpoint Beyond I feel the larger connections to those comics clutter it. Yes obviously this connects to the JSA book and probably other future story lines. But they could have worked some of those plot points into a different story, maybe make that more of a focus in The New Golden Age for instance. Using the pieces that now exist in the universe is one thing, but the overt and specific references to these other stories weigh down a comic I think would be more interesting without them. Not just to the ongoing use and continuation of Watchmen but Three Jokers and Dark Crisis as well. It didn't need them for the bulk of the story to work.
@@mangahead333 The first and last page of the entire story clutter it? Nostalgia is on two pages total.
I feel the story works better without them. They are unneeded parts to the whole of Flashpoint Beyond. I like Flashpoint Beyond over all, I find it an interesting continuation of an alternative universe and a good ending, if one that could be opened up again, for that universe. But you can edit out the references to Three Jokers, Dark Crisis, and even Doomsday Clock and Watchmen and it think it steam lines the story some.
Barry is the only thing stopping kryptonians from being viltramites lol
“Thomas Wayne: The Batman Who Gives No F$&@s”
That was glorious. Also, anyone notice that this one is longer than the death metal one last week? Just thought that was hysterical.
Poor Ethan, doesn't even know that Ra's al Ghul has been reduced to ashes IN SPACE, got dumped into a Lazarus Pit, and walked away scott free once
1:06:32 moment Ethan’s brain collapsed in on itself trying to understand this book
Thanks for the videos, have a happy new year!
Heh, Flashpoint and New 52 brought me back to DC after 10+ years of ignoring DC. Then Flashpoint Beyond brought me back in. Maybe I just like Geoff Johns. It did get me into World's Finest too and the latest run of Batman.
So you missed a lot of great DC stories then by ignoring 10 years of it. Flashpoint Beyond brought you back after how long?
@@DanV900 In my case Flashpoint brought me in for the first time.
I was put off DC as a kid by Emerald Twilight as that came out, since my favourite character was Green Lantern, and got worse, and far to brutal for my kid self to get into.
I remember my grandfather being excited to get me into DC, then his excitement turn to horror with that book.
Great episode guys. Really enjoyed it
I'm so glad Ben brought up Invader Zim. I was thinking it as soon as Sal said the Kryptonians were War Lording planet conquers
From my understanding, Barry creating Flashpoint sent a ripple through time, which displaced events from their normal conclusion. It's like a train derailment. You don't just boot one car off the tracks and expect the whole train to be okay. That one car going off the rails causes a domino effect that drags the rest of the train with it.
Barry saving his mother was the car derailment.
Sock on the clock was hilarious, great ep as always
That outro just dying out was hilarious
45:40 if you really must know why this is different it's because Geoff Johns watched Invincible and was like "Yo I'm gonna do that too."
God I’m so glad they are doing this one already!!! Sal giving the people what they want lol