Heads up, powerful attraction and reaper won't work with Ascension. Utility kickstart will work but then you'd wanna take off the void surge. Really wish Bungie would give it the Ensnaring Slam treatment and let it function as a class ability, don't know why they think Ascension of all things needs to be reigned in.
Something tells me they'll add the interaction but then also slap Ascension with nerfs similar to the Threaded Specter and do things like increasing the class CD.
Because when ascension first came out it did count as a class ability - when using radiant dance machines (unlimited dodges when near enemies) you could spam ascension flying around the map like an arc attack helicopter printing orbs. Athewhen paired with reaper / powerful attraction would pick up those orbs and was kind of silly op.
@@Englishmuffin420 Yeah Ensnaring Slam had that same interaction with Dance Machines on launch but now it doesn't and it still works with cloak mods. Its just that Ascension really isn't anything special to begin with and not working with those mods really hurts buildcrafting and kinda makes Ascension feel like noob bait
@WatsonsPipe then you're not building into it. Alone, yea pretty mid. Can be very strong when building around amplified, like with the new raijus harness.
@@Englishmuffin420 I've built into it, that's how I know that utility kickstart actually works with it. Its decent in lower difficulty content, but so is pretty much anything. The point is that we already went through this exact same process with another aspect, what is so good about Ascension that we need to go through it again.
Since I use Lost Signal with Choir of One all the time, I’m personally gonna use Galanor Synthocepts with Silkstrike and Threaded Spike with 3 Hands On. It’s very ammo efficient since abilities is the primary ad clear method. Really looking forward to testing the buff in GMs and Onslaught
@@dgibs1747 No, only with your Powered Melee. It would be pretty pog if it did, tho. Use Spirit of Galanor with Spirit of The Star-Eater if you want to crank up Silkstrike's damage output.
I unlocked class items because of Ava. First drop from her was HOIL/wormhusk (I'm a big fan of that roll). Second drop from her was liars/caliban. 3rd was a copy of first drop, crazy. 4th was foetracer/gyrfalcons. Engram drops are frustrating but I think im just lucky on the draws.
You only need 50 mobility because when you Ascension you get amplified and it gives you 50 more mobility, and the cooldown of amplified is the same as your class ability when you're amplified because you have 100 mobility, so you can be amplified always.
Pair it with a Withering or Clown Cart + Explosive Light Acosmic to pair synergy, synergize Attrition Orbs and Explosive Light, and grant both Volatile Rounds with different fragments.
So after focusing a few warlock class items and thinking about it I think getaway artist is just too good to not use for warlock and I also use the solar buddy when using class ability so I constantly have arc soil and solar buddy together and it’s simply a cheat code
You either use getaway or star eaters/X for prism lock tbh. I also use Bad Juju and you get super nukes every encounter in GMs on top off a lot of ad clear from trans.
They mentioned that golden gun is going to receive the regen buff so could you not run goldie with star eaters and something like inmost light on the class item. Could have insane ability up time in the neutral game and still have a chunky dammage super that comes back super fast. Im thinking star eaters and foe tracer could work well in the final boss of the dungeon to get maybe like 3 supers off depending on how the regen works
@dericliu2448 yeah, but it works with galanor like it's Orpheu's. I was just wondering if a non roaming super version would be as potent. I use it with a mid roll ( galanor + cyrtaracne) and it performs quite well imo.
@ if you run combo blow gamblers with stacked distribution mods on ur class item u can probably get the same effect without using ur exotic slot, and recharge super with the combo blow dodge loop. I use that and you can prob run that with a fast recharging grenade and gp gamble for the woven mail and void os. Distribution mods are lowkey crazy.
If you really want to build into roaming supers then you should put on facet of Justice. Popping Transcendence before you go into your super will cause all kills to explode.
I just wish they would remove the 50% limit on super refund exotics in PvE. Was a stupid change to begin with and it's been super buggy as even hitting enemies with the Galanor perk sometimes just never gives me back super energy.
I found Transcendence to be the main issue. I've tried Spirit of Galanor with all the supers both with and without going Transcendent and it seemed like not going Transcendent and using it would reliably give me super back. But it's not like it's never given super energy back while being Transcendent either so it could be that popping Super before or after Transcendence might play a part too. But even with how inconsistent Raijus is on Arc and not Prismatic? It wouldn't surprise me if there really is some other issue going on with it.
Supers should not refund more than 50% on their own, it would make galanor, orpheus and Ahamkara Skull more OP than they already are. These exotics are already inches away from being the best exotics in the game.
I tried this, it's actually anti-synergy because with Galanor you're trying to get your super back ASAP and then as soon as you get it, use it, so it's a bit annoying having to then search for 6 orbs after you charge your super, so I wouldn't recommend Star Eater tbh
@@LlamaD2 maybe a play is using an exotic primary to charge your super, then when full, switch to your attrition orbs vs velocity baton to quickly get orbs. Besides, you don't have to get full star-eaters charged up, if you dont want to.
Man.... I used fighting lion a long time ago when it made sense and killed all red bars like a grenade should. Haven't touched it since Bungie "fixed" (super nerf) it.
No, because it's spirit of Synthos and it gives only a portion of the original exotic buff - only melee. It doesn't even works on Titan as far as I'm aware. It's a balancing act to make exotic class item perks stand out
this build would be great if there was a good answer to the unstoppable/barrier champion combination that is in the majority of master/gm content. Bungie really failed with the answers in this seasons artifact
i've been hunting for Galanor/Gyrfalcons since the beginning of FOTL precisely to pair with Fighting Lion... I still haven't gotten it :c Personally I enjoy running it with Rake Angle for both the shield utility and anti-champ capabilities with the slow and freeze from chill clip. On top of that it gives you another easy way to start the stylish executioner loop without using abilities.
Heads up, powerful attraction and reaper won't work with Ascension. Utility kickstart will work but then you'd wanna take off the void surge. Really wish Bungie would give it the Ensnaring Slam treatment and let it function as a class ability, don't know why they think Ascension of all things needs to be reigned in.
Something tells me they'll add the interaction but then also slap Ascension with nerfs similar to the Threaded Specter and do things like increasing the class CD.
Because when ascension first came out it did count as a class ability - when using radiant dance machines (unlimited dodges when near enemies) you could spam ascension flying around the map like an arc attack helicopter printing orbs. Athewhen paired with reaper / powerful attraction would pick up those orbs and was kind of silly op.
@@Englishmuffin420 Yeah Ensnaring Slam had that same interaction with Dance Machines on launch but now it doesn't and it still works with cloak mods. Its just that Ascension really isn't anything special to begin with and not working with those mods really hurts buildcrafting and kinda makes Ascension feel like noob bait
@WatsonsPipe then you're not building into it. Alone, yea pretty mid. Can be very strong when building around amplified, like with the new raijus harness.
@@Englishmuffin420 I've built into it, that's how I know that utility kickstart actually works with it. Its decent in lower difficulty content, but so is pretty much anything. The point is that we already went through this exact same process with another aspect, what is so good about Ascension that we need to go through it again.
Since I use Lost Signal with Choir of One all the time, I’m personally gonna use Galanor Synthocepts with Silkstrike and Threaded Spike with 3 Hands On. It’s very ammo efficient since abilities is the primary ad clear method. Really looking forward to testing the buff in GMs and Onslaught
Does the synthoceps proc with silk strike???
@@dgibs1747 No, only with your Powered Melee. It would be pretty pog if it did, tho. Use Spirit of Galanor with Spirit of The Star-Eater if you want to crank up Silkstrike's damage output.
Eva's class items have a 100% chance to have the perk you focused. Too bad it's going away.
Absolutely insane that the ones you buy from Xur dont. What the hell goes on in the mind of Bungie devs?
Xur class items have a 100% chance too i think and coin grind isnt even that much worse than candy grind
@@Max-9871oh it ain’t, it’s roughly the same boost the focusing gives you. You’ve probs just been that lucky
I unlocked class items because of Ava. First drop from her was HOIL/wormhusk (I'm a big fan of that roll). Second drop from her was liars/caliban. 3rd was a copy of first drop, crazy. 4th was foetracer/gyrfalcons. Engram drops are frustrating but I think im just lucky on the draws.
I didn’t know that, explains why I was getting all the rolls I wanted
finally got the class item roll for this :D
Volitile rounds and fighting lion have been super fun been playing with different builds around it for about a month now.
I would suggest a void loader on your gauntlets. It really makes fighting lion feel snappy.
That combo was like my first one I earned
Fun fact you can use ascension while in silkstrike super i think like 3 or 4 times
I really like the idea of this change and I’m looking forward to it. Might have to bust out the ole Phoenix Cradle Hammer of Sol build.
Already been running a similar build to this with velocity baton with demo attrition orbs. Absolutely nasty combo once you put in some void surges!
That's the exact combo I have on my class exotic, I love it
My class item was focusing gryfalcon on this season, definitely tuff
You only need 50 mobility because when you Ascension you get amplified and it gives you 50 more mobility, and the cooldown of amplified is the same as your class ability when you're amplified because you have 100 mobility, so you can be amplified always.
yoo revadike's fashion being used here lmao
that shit is so good
Shoutout :P
Wondering if gyrfalcon with a repulsor brace attrition orbs velocity baton would work with this
probably
Sounds like a fun combo!
Pair it with a Withering or Clown Cart + Explosive Light Acosmic to pair synergy, synergize Attrition Orbs and Explosive Light, and grant both Volatile Rounds with different fragments.
I actually run this combo in one of my builds, its great. Infinite overshields!
@@LlamaD2isn’t Song of flame a roaming super?
Oh lucky me, this happened to be the second exotic class item roll I ever got
So after focusing a few warlock class items and thinking about it I think getaway artist is just too good to not use for warlock and I also use the solar buddy when using class ability so I constantly have arc soil and solar buddy together and it’s simply a cheat code
You either use getaway or star eaters/X for prism lock tbh.
I also use Bad Juju and you get super nukes every encounter in GMs on top off a lot of ad clear from trans.
Yo Llama. I have a couple extra mod energy on the gloves. 3 to be exact. What should I put?
They mentioned that golden gun is going to receive the regen buff so could you not run goldie with star eaters and something like inmost light on the class item. Could have insane ability up time in the neutral game and still have a chunky dammage super that comes back super fast. Im thinking star eaters and foe tracer could work well in the final boss of the dungeon to get maybe like 3 supers off depending on how the regen works
Welp, time to grind out this class item before FoTL ends
I like withering blade on the account of two charges
i don't see them not nerfing super damage to compensate for more up time at some point, not to be a negative nancy.
instead of fighting lion, graviton lance or choir is very good. graviton will have better ad clear but choir more dmg
FIGHTING LION MENTIONED, RAAAAH!
How would this build perform with Tether and post-buffed Bad Juju?
Also an attrition orbs velocity baton paired with it.
Tether doesn’t count as super kills
@dericliu2448 yeah, but it works with galanor like it's Orpheu's. I was just wondering if a non roaming super version would be as potent. I use it with a mid roll ( galanor + cyrtaracne) and it performs quite well imo.
@ if you run combo blow gamblers with stacked distribution mods on ur class item u can probably get the same effect without using ur exotic slot, and recharge super with the combo blow dodge loop. I use that and you can prob run that with a fast recharging grenade and gp gamble for the woven mail and void os. Distribution mods are lowkey crazy.
I might have to try that next time I play
Do you think it would be bad if I ran cadmus ridge on your arc stasis build
If you really want to build into roaming supers then you should put on facet of Justice. Popping Transcendence before you go into your super will cause all kills to explode.
Silkstrike kills already explode, though. Seems a bit redundant.
@Revadike extra DMG nonetheless
silking my strike rn
Can you use this for Vesper's host final boss? Or can you recommend builds for the vh dungeon for hunter? Thank you!
As a Hunter the best setup for VH final boss is Celestial Nighthawk
What a coincidence I just got this roll of the cloak from Xur today.
I thought Woven Mail was a 25% DR after nerfs? When did it change?
In the beginning it was 60%, which was then nerfed to 55%, which was then nerfed again to where we are now, at 45%.
@@LlamaD2 ...huh. Ok, thanks!
No barrier or unstop stun?
3:40 what? that aspect actually give u damage resistant? seriously?
Yeah I'm wondering if that's true?? I've never heard that before anywhere
I think its only 50dr for the dodge itself no? Or are you immune to damage while dodging
50% dr for 4 seconds
Yes it does, you get 50% DR after dodging for roughly 4 seconds
How does this do with Choir of One? What's the best catalyst for CoO?
Volatile rounds id say
I like Onslaught
I just wish they would remove the 50% limit on super refund exotics in PvE. Was a stupid change to begin with and it's been super buggy as even hitting enemies with the Galanor perk sometimes just never gives me back super energy.
I found Transcendence to be the main issue. I've tried Spirit of Galanor with all the supers both with and without going Transcendent and it seemed like not going Transcendent and using it would reliably give me super back. But it's not like it's never given super energy back while being Transcendent either so it could be that popping Super before or after Transcendence might play a part too.
But even with how inconsistent Raijus is on Arc and not Prismatic? It wouldn't surprise me if there really is some other issue going on with it.
Each super has a different way of returning super energy.
Supers should not refund more than 50% on their own, it would make galanor, orpheus and Ahamkara Skull more OP than they already are.
These exotics are already inches away from being the best exotics in the game.
Winter's Wrath + Spirit of Harmony + Bold Endings + other Dealer's Choice weapon = basically immediate supers
Nice does work this build with star eater galanor?
I tried this, it's actually anti-synergy because with Galanor you're trying to get your super back ASAP and then as soon as you get it, use it, so it's a bit annoying having to then search for 6 orbs after you charge your super, so I wouldn't recommend Star Eater tbh
@@LlamaD2 maybe a play is using an exotic primary to charge your super, then when full, switch to your attrition orbs vs velocity baton to quickly get orbs. Besides, you don't have to get full star-eaters charged up, if you dont want to.
Is this the gmeiners carry-er himself ?
Yes
Man.... I used fighting lion a long time ago when it made sense and killed all red bars like a grenade should. Haven't touched it since Bungie "fixed" (super nerf) it.
Does synthoceps gives this super damage buff ?
No, because it's spirit of Synthos and it gives only a portion of the original exotic buff - only melee.
It doesn't even works on Titan as far as I'm aware.
It's a balancing act to make exotic class item perks stand out
No
ive got that exotic cloak :D
unlrelate i also like my caliban/Cyrtarachne with the grapple grenade as i get woven mail AND it counts as melee kills
who is gonna tell him fighting lion applies voletile on hit
Who's gunna tell you he knows
double volatile or not, I do agree it's a bit redundant, especially to focus your build on
this build would be great if there was a good answer to the unstoppable/barrier champion combination that is in the majority of master/gm content. Bungie really failed with the answers in this seasons artifact
I know right! The anti-champ this season is horrendous :/
Winters shroud actually works in your super, so you do have the ability to stun overloads and unstops during your super.
i've been hunting for Galanor/Gyrfalcons since the beginning of FOTL precisely to pair with Fighting Lion... I still haven't gotten it :c
Personally I enjoy running it with Rake Angle for both the shield utility and anti-champ capabilities with the slow and freeze from chill clip. On top of that it gives you another easy way to start the stylish executioner loop without using abilities.
I wish Synthoceps buffed silkstrike... it can buff titan supers
No way boy 😂
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