I find the Deputy Leader of Opposition to be arguably precise with his points and articulate every point he made. He is the only speaker that made me understand what the motion really is and what it is about. It is not on rush and smooth sailing of ideas is highly brilliant! Kudos!
Or maybe you are not well verse enough to cope up with the others mode of giving their points that is why the only person that made you understand his point is the oppositions deputy? Just asking.
@@brainypilipinas8545 I think that makes the speaker in mention more likable. He managed to simplify the otherwise complex plethora of ideas into something digestible for the audience.
they were composed and organized when they were delivering their constructive speeches. you have to understand that that’s how competitive debate works today. the time is limited and time starts to run the moment you stand on the podium-making you to deliver your speech as fast as possible. folks, remember that we’re not in the 1950s anymore. it’s rare to see that kind of debate today. and if you hear how debaters argue in 2020s, i’ll say that this video 7 years ago was far more bearable than any other competitive debate now.
Those 1950's filipino kid debaters were so calm and composed, and surprisingly so knowledgeable with the subjects/topics on hand, and speaking english with very filipino accent. It's a delight to watch the teenagers of yesteryears doing debates on the world stage with unimaginable brilliance enthralling foreign audiences. Pinoy pride dates way back decades ago.
You shouldn’t even compare in the first place because this is a formal debate where they are given a time limit and being evaluated, with the goal to win in the argument and claim their trophy. The old archive videos are for the purpose of dialogue with no trophy being offered to anyone. No school names attached to the delegates. The 1950s student exchange programs weren’t formatted as a debate but rather a chance for students to have a platform where they could explore different perspectives from multiple countries. Different mechanics and different goals.
To be fair, they are in a setting designed to pin them against each other with two polarized sides. The videos of Johnny Antillon and the US exchange programs weren’t so much a debate but rather a liberal discussion. These guys are primed to be much more opposing against each other because they are in a competitive setting.
Focused clarity of argumentation and methodology, good command of the English language and its nuances, and strategic delivery make viewing this art of debate worth our while. The Ateneo side, especially the gentlemen were striking! Congratulations to all the debaters! I thank the agents of this endeavor and wish it continues to inspire, research, judicious preparation and strategic delivery in the English Language! God speed to each and every participant! 🙏🏼⭐️❤️
@@curtcrowley6659 the target demographic for these debates are different from the 1950s the level of sophistcation that debaters have rn are centered towards getting acrosss eachother, not entertaining you.
Hardwork will be inherent to communities who struggle to put food on their plates, of course they will work hard first in order to feed themselves, but logically, what follows is the question of when will that system of living change? When will those hardwork be rewarded - to whom will they air these grievances to? For the government to say, "LATER" screams injustice and inaccountability and that's where the opposition comes in. GO BLUE.
The opposition presented good arguments backed by history and solutions. When you're privileged, it's easy to say that if people will only work hard they'll succeed but that's not the case. For example in the US, a minimum wage earner needs to work 2-3 jobs to be able to live comfortably. But some MWEs though they work 2-3 jobs are still living paycheck to paycheck. We can't say that they're not working hard as having 2 jobs is not easy. But why do they still struggle even though they are 'working hard.'
Hindi ata nila alam yung rules ng debate. Once na mag dead air ka for 5 seconds tapos na yung speech that's why they talk that way. Ibang iba ito sa 1950's. Competition is very different.
Talaga? Two of the best debate teams in asia. And by the way ateneo reached top five best debating society worldwide at some point. Defeating all, as in all ivy league schools, including cambridge and oxford...
Conventions differ from the 1950s to now. The same is true for this specific instance, as well as all the other debates after the 1950s that follow different styles. How very ironic it is that the words "grow up" apply to someone fixated on that time period.
Ang ganda ng points ng Ateneo ,and sa up dapat di lang sila nag stick sa rhetoric ng hard work since masyadong iba ang concept nya with different types of people.
It is so difficult to affirm to a stance which UPD is not in consonance with hahaha. UP's team found it difficult to defend their stand because their real stand is of the opposite.
When youtube recommended this after i watched all of The Herald Tribune Forum of the exchange students in the 50's. Especially with the video with Mr. Antillon in it.
I'm a bit disappointed that the government side did not even mentioned the Chinese immigrants here in the PH, back in the Spanish regime, they were considered filth, but they continued to work hard, filled their pockets with gold, and now their descendants are the wealthiest people in the country and that happened without them doing a massive scale of movement for reform.
The Opposition also didn't mention how the EDSA Revolution changed the government. It wasn't necessarily about hard work but the people in the revolution challenged the government.
Lol ung mga complain siguro ng complain dito abt sa kung bakit ganun ung speed ay mga walang alam tungkol sa pag dedebate . Una mga ignorante championship yan ,hindi bastang dialogue .Pangalawa may time limit yan kaya kailangan concise at straight to the point na agad ung mga sasabihin . Lastly kung kayo ung mga nasa position ng mga yan at that time i doubt you'd be able to utter a single word , because you'd be at pressure and most likely you'll embarass yourself. Ni hindi nyo nga tinitingnan ung points nila ehh , ang linaw kaya nilang mag paliwanag ang kikitid lang talaga ng mga utak nyo
This debate is time constraints guys, you were given a short time to say your points , to make say your points and arguments you have to say it fast para makadami ka
I open this channel after watching the 1956 debate of exchange students in the USA from different countries.So proud with Johnny Antillon,Raul Contreras and another student Ramon.So proud they are so smart and calm and what they said during that time were all true.I wonder if they become politicians after their studies I wonder if they made a change in the Philippines.
Debate nowadays are much harder believe me. The time limit makes me explode in nervousness as well as the intellectual opponent. Better to sleep anyway.
I think that's how modern debate is now, I mean they have time limit and also I think I saw some highschool debate show/movie from other country where students speak fast to show their point.
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Kung ganito lang sana nakikita natin sa media hindi yung mga problema lang ng mga artista pinag chichismisan. Come on, mag produce sana ng mga real variety show na ganito para hindi lang puro tiktok o love life ng mga vloggers alam ng mga kabataan ngayon. 😏
There are a lot of this every year, Di Lang nakakakuha Ng sponsors from big media ang mga organising committee. UP hosts PIDC, Ateneo hosts Ateneo Deb Championship, there's Manila InterVarsity, and every part of the Philippines. Di Lang talaga makakuha Ng airtime SA TV but it was published in Facebook and TH-cam
it's already 2022 and yet i still hear the phrase 'at the end of the day' at least five times in every single debate speech in our org and in regional comps lol
Johnny's and Raul's debate content is different they're just having a casual exchange of opinions (discourse), this one is different... I don't see the sense why putting such standards of Johnny's and Raul's debate videos on this 🤔
Maybe the way they conducting themselves!Johnny’s debate about communism is on point and relevant to what is happening.I admire his humility and calmness throughout the debate in 1954.
Our format today is more about a win lose one. The objective is to defeat the other's wit. This is more about Argument - what politicians do. When you convert this in the corporate state, students trained this way may eventually tend to impose on the other for what they believe whether its the truth or not. Decisions are based on personalities and not on the objectives. These students are more politicians than philosophers. I was lead to this video after watching a 1950s foreign exchange students where it seemed that they were more discourse-based than argument-based.
exactly! but I don't see the relevance as to why they are still comparing and setting standards of the content to that one from the 1950's videos like Johnny's and Raul's
@@dhayabris3163 i second that... What we need for change is not winning nor losing but rather a collaborative approach that may or may not include compromises from both sides
I agree with your observations but you have to understand that this debate and those 1950s videos you are talking about are completely different. First of all this is a competition so go figure as to why they are trying to one up each other, also they are trying to convince a panel of judges not each other, unlike in the 1950 videos where discourse was encouraged because they were directly talking to each other. The discourse like debates you want still happen today and this is the wrong place to go if you are looking for that kind of debate because once again this is a competition. Personally tho i can see why this kind of debate is considered the formal one in contrast to what you refer to as discourse type debates. You said it yourself the 1950s debates were more philosophical while these kinds of debate are more political. In case you havent noticed though, the world runs on politics, it has a bad rap amongst the people or everyone really but politics is necessary, it can be nasty and can show the worst of our society but its also a tool weve used for the longest time to better ourselves and society. Philosophy on the other hand gives lots of insight and wisdom which are helpful in giving us opinion on what kind of world we want to mold but it doenst really give us the hows of how to achieve that world, but politics does.
Debate and discourse are two different things. They each have a purpose. To debate is to make a convincing argument. A debate makes you think on your feet and critically, at that. It is an important skill for students to develop. A discourse is social communication. It presents an opportunity to explore ideas during verbal exchange. Also important for students.
It's being done in some high schools but the reason why it's not practiced often because some of the teachers doesn't have the skills to teach how to do a debate in a competitive manner or how to frame the arguments
The second speaker from the opposition is really good. His speech is something a layman can understand which is one of the hallmark of a great speaker.
you can still understand it once you know the point of the discussion . at this point i stand with this ateneo since they're trying to describe that those outliers in our country have actually the right to speak regarding to their situation.
Hahaha true, but you know apaka interesting Yung topic nila I go with opposition Tama lhat points nila if we go see the real life of poor and middle class. The government must see all the necessary action to support people or in a state khit kayod kalabaw if Yung structure Ng government doesn't support the work of poor or individual wla silbi.
May napanood ako movie tungkol sa mga nag debate na students sa America ganto talaga sila mabilisan para mapoint out lahat ng point nila sa arguments at dahil narin sa given time limit.
@@chocolatetorridkiss4946 such profanity is a reflection of a person's upbringing.. I am well aware that there is a time constraint but you sir didnt understand my meaning well...
@@chocolatetorridkiss4946 bago ka magpaka-pretentious at mag-tawag ng “bobo” at “tanga”, point out ko lang na mali ang paggamit mo ng “incite”. At “constraint” ang tamang salita at hindi ang verb na “constrain”. “Time constraint” at hindi “time constrain”. Pinupuna mo comprehension ng ibang tao pero mali-mali ka naman. Nanonood ka ng debates pero puro ad hominem ka. Matulog ka na lang, pseudo-intellectual.
I agree with this. Regardless of how good your arguments were if these are inaudible and hard to understand, it's just like you are talking to yourself with no audience. At the end of the day, you are there to denote your points to the audience and not like as if you are mumble rapping.
its so telling how the socialist/communist argument won in this debate. People have forgotten past atrocities of that ideology have inflicted to its people. It is still happening today and we're so damn naïve and blinded. We are forgetting the meaning of true freedom is and it is heartbreaking. I pray that God may have mercy on our souls.
Being exposed to the brilliant debaters of the 1950’s have spoiled me…apparently, they raised the bar for many others too. Even the moderator sounded too pressured. In short, there was no pleasure listening to the current generation.
What are you talking about? These are renowned and high skilled debaters that compete internationally? This kind of debate is called Asian Parliamentary Structure. They’re only given 30 minutes to prepare for the topic and 7 minutes to speak.
@@kamellavilla3900 A debator’s mission is ultimately to win over the listener or target audience to their camp of thinking. So no matter how flattering you describe their style, if I am not moved to agree, then they fail in my case.
That's true. All I do while watching her part is just crying:))) (I have debate assignment to analyze this video but I still found difficulties in understanding the deputy prime minister speech) and now I don't know how to put it in words
That is one reason why they speak fast to deliver all points, arguements and rebutals they need to place on a limited time. Also the rules of not having deadair for 5 seconds.
this is the kind of debate we will have if we change to parliamentary form of government.. reforms in govt policies will be realized fast of we have a parliamentary govt
I think UPD should've won this; while I think that the motion is kinda skewed towards vague contentions about hardwork, I think that a debate should central on solving certain issues which in this case poverty alleviation. So far only UPD gave an explicit and operational solution to the issue and while the Ateneo is good with their rebuttals they did not even gave a single most precise and operational solution to the issue. I mean what are the disenfranchised communities be doing at the end of the day? Challenge the state? How? most importantly How will this stand alleviate poverty? getting by each day as worst case scenario from affirmative is arguably better than doing nothing, sure.
The motion says that we will support leaders telling their members that hardwork is the way out of poverty. The premise of the debate is not about the models being operationalized, it talks about the notion if leaders should tell their members that hardwork is the way out or not, and that is what you failed to understand.
First speaker was fast paced.....but his examples as premise are abroad I doubt if it's relevant to the domestic situation, unless one has the tutelage from a social scientist at heart otherwise one has to delve, immerse in the community so strip himself from prejudice that truth shines over his visage the needs, problems and the future of country the kababbayang pinoy. Charcharot
The opposition tend to hit every spot on all sides of the table. Well its not surprising because their arguments in other or lower forms are very relevant in the modern era. I've seen some from facebook like a slogan with a farmer's pic with a caption "you're poor because you're lazy" so you see the upv took the losing side but kudos to them. Anyways its a nice debate but not the best for me. I wish na magawan ng paraan para mas maging smooth yung mga modern debates. After all its main purpose is to educate and give ideas, scenarios, and possibilities on both sides of a certain topic.
Let's not get into the nitty gritty details of the debate since you all watched it- but let's talk about the speakers. Mostly the ones that stood out to me. My stance here is, by the way, an average, reasonable person. This is the same stance as most qualified adjudicators. I did this at 12am and without notes, so this is about as average as I can be. The PM was, well, not understandable at all. Yes, he had nice, fancy words and fabulous descriptions and examples that stood out from time to time but what I more or less understood from his entire speech was that you can't work hard without an oppressive government you won't be able to work hard, that you are more or less useless if you let yourself accept your fate, as well as the fact that you need to be able to function without the government. Or anyone. Looking back on this, he literally just contradicted himself later on when his side consented that you need to exhibit hard work to get the government and other elitists to help and notice you.You know, I only got this after REPEATING his part. Multiple times. Though debating is supposedly a higher sport that requires a graceful or eloquent speech, it's much better to go a simpler, clearer way as most of the Ateneo team and his last teammate, the GW did. See, I honestly think that it was UPD's whip that was their saving grace- he gave compelling arguments and examples in understandable ways; showing how working hard with what you have at the moment doesn't necessarily mean that you are part of a herd of sheep but shows that in the end, you're actually a wolf in sheep's clothing, waiting patiently for the chance to strike and that if you strike too early it'll be useless and nobody will hear your shouting, making you look like a whining toddler. On Ateneo's side, they kept on talking about how if you're told that you should work hard, that gives you the mindset that the reason why you are poor is because you haven't worked hard enough, and that puts an unfair burden onto the marginalized- and then they said that the only way to make others acknowledge how hard you've worked, you need to "fight the system" and not wait since waiting is doing nothing, and therefore you and the rest of your community are a pile of waiting ducks. They banked on the idea that the greatest revolutionaries didn't have to wait for the call-of-arms, but rushed straight into it after gathering their ranks. I believe that this entire debate was quite moderate. Both houses agreed towards the end that one needs to go against the system to alleviate being poor and the only thing left to debate over was when the right time to strike is. What they could've gone on was, on the government''s side, continuing on their idea of being self-sustainable and therefore alleviating oneself of one's poor status through hard work, and on the opposition, how just because you're poor doesn't mean you're hardworking and that you need to change the system through your own means, always assuming that if you don't opt for change, who will? But that's just me.
Nung debate ng 1956 katulad nina Johnny at Raul is waring nagtsitsikahan lang sila. Walang tension, gitgitan, o sapawan. They talk when it is their turn in one microphone despite salit-salitan lang sila. Ngayon, masarap tingnan ang mga kabataan na ganito kagagaling. Nakaka-inspire lang.👏👏👏🥰
@@congkabsat9243 Alam ko! I just appreciate their exposure. Syempre mas magagaling tlga ang kabataan noon kesa ngayon. Ano bang kamalayan ng mga kabataan noon kesa ngayon sa Pulitika?
@@congkabsat9243 Anong ako umintindi? I'm not reacting ur comparison sa batch nina Contreras at Antillon. Gus2 kong ipahiwatig is, marunong ka rin mag-appreciate sa mga kabataan ngayon. I'm not even comparing them from the past debaters.
Good debate. I think to our country to solve the poverty problem not so many child. I think so many Filipino they're illiterate to finance even they're educated that's why no saving and also we dont use our resources properly I think we should encourage the youngs to do something differently rather to go university even not academic person and the government they should encourage to do some vocational courses and to be creative I believe lots youngs to our country have talents that can use every day or do some enterprises and for better future.
I can't simply comprehend why Robles was declared as the tournament's overall best speaker when she clearly supported the part that the black americans work hard for the longest time that's why they were recognize?? That is exactly the point of the UPD, that hardwork is the way for the government to value your hardwork fairly.
I would rather watching the old version debate long time ago.. it is more calm , well delivered the speech very articulate student .. I’d love listening them ..but this student as if like fighting to win .. very aggressively almost loosing their voice .. you need to take some sleeping pills . It is really annoying.. I know they’re doing their best but . You need to calm down. I can’t bear to listen ... new generation for 2000
Johnny and Raul are the best, because they talked naturally and calm, debating it doesn't mean makipag kalit ka, just give other parties to interrupt and let them talk too..
I find the Deputy Leader of Opposition to be arguably precise with his points and articulate every point he made. He is the only speaker that made me understand what the motion really is and what it is about. It is not on rush and smooth sailing of ideas is highly brilliant! Kudos!
Or maybe you are not well verse enough to cope up with the others mode of giving their points that is why the only person that made you understand his point is the oppositions deputy? Just asking.
@@brainypilipinas8545 I think that makes the speaker in mention more likable. He managed to simplify the otherwise complex plethora of ideas into something digestible for the audience.
They stutter because they forget yo breathe in 🤣🤣🤣
I stumbled on this content after warching Johnny Antillon😍😍😍
Me too
Yaaassss johnnyyyy
hahaha same here
Same.
haha...same here 😀
The Philippines should establish a Johnny Antillon Debating Institute and teach the new generation how to debate in an organized and composed manner.
Raul Contreras magaling din. Year 1956. 15 lang siya nung sumali siya sa debate.
Totally agree sir, Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras showed excellent composure, authority and clear cut on point argument.....
I completely agree. They are NOT composed at all.
Omcm
they were composed and organized when they were delivering their constructive speeches. you have to understand that that’s how competitive debate works today. the time is limited and time starts to run the moment you stand on the podium-making you to deliver your speech as fast as possible. folks, remember that we’re not in the 1950s anymore. it’s rare to see that kind of debate today. and if you hear how debaters argue in 2020s, i’ll say that this video 7 years ago was far more bearable than any other competitive debate now.
Those 1950's filipino kid debaters were so calm and composed, and surprisingly so knowledgeable with the subjects/topics on hand, and speaking english with very filipino accent. It's a delight to watch the teenagers of yesteryears doing debates on the world stage with unimaginable brilliance enthralling foreign audiences. Pinoy pride dates way back decades ago.
Mga high school lang din yun sila
I am impressed to see archives of 1950s... The manner of Filipino representatives that time were direct and calm. I can listen to them all the day.
You shouldn’t even compare in the first place because this is a formal debate where they are given a time limit and being evaluated, with the goal to win in the argument and claim their trophy. The old archive videos are for the purpose of dialogue with no trophy being offered to anyone. No school names attached to the delegates. The 1950s student exchange programs weren’t formatted as a debate but rather a chance for students to have a platform where they could explore different perspectives from multiple countries. Different mechanics and different goals.
Johnny antillon.
Yeah, he is an excellent debater .
To be fair, they are in a setting designed to pin them against each other with two polarized sides. The videos of Johnny Antillon and the US exchange programs weren’t so much a debate but rather a liberal discussion. These guys are primed to be much more opposing against each other because they are in a competitive setting.
Watching Debate in 1956 with Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras Philippines 🇵🇭 representatives are both calm and intelligent.
Absolutely agree
This debate has time.. You better understand
The debaters in this video were only given limited time while the 1950s debaters have more time to argue.
Normie
@@kozlovxei thats why it looks ugly.
Focused clarity of argumentation and methodology, good command of the English language and its nuances, and strategic delivery make viewing this art of debate worth our while. The Ateneo side, especially the gentlemen were striking! Congratulations to all the debaters! I thank the agents of this endeavor and wish it continues to inspire, research, judicious preparation and strategic delivery in the English Language! God speed to each and every participant! 🙏🏼⭐️❤️
the speaker Mr. escalante states his arguments in a very clever and simple way. that sums the debate
No!
We should have more of this in the media. Great watch
Ibalik niyo yung ganitonv shows sa Pilipinas para sa kabataan.
Meron po nun sa ANC.
@@sychomadman thank you for dropping the network I always tune in at gma they do not have these types of shows
Debates nowadays are time limited. In a certain amount of time they should explain what they have to. 💁 Jhonny and Raul's time is diff.
Yun nga lang... Mas ma eenjoy mo yung sa 1950's. Kahit mga slow, makakasabay.
@@curtcrowley6659 the target demographic for these debates are different from the 1950s the level of sophistcation that debaters have rn are centered towards getting acrosss eachother, not entertaining you.
Mas gising @ aktibo ang isip ng mga kabataan noon about sa kahalagahan ng kalayaan at demokrasya. Not for aliw at pagalingan purposes only.
25:53 - Thesis statement
26:32 - Context
27:10 - Rebuttal
29:00 - End
29:58 - Begins with argument
31:33 - Question answered
50:00 - Closing statement
Hardwork will be inherent to communities who struggle to put food on their plates, of course they will work hard first in order to feed themselves, but logically, what follows is the question of when will that system of living change? When will those hardwork be rewarded - to whom will they air these grievances to? For the government to say, "LATER" screams injustice and inaccountability and that's where the opposition comes in. GO BLUE.
The opposition presented good arguments backed by history and solutions. When you're privileged, it's easy to say that if people will only work hard they'll succeed but that's not the case. For example in the US, a minimum wage earner needs to work 2-3 jobs to be able to live comfortably. But some MWEs though they work 2-3 jobs are still living paycheck to paycheck. We can't say that they're not working hard as having 2 jobs is not easy. But why do they still struggle even though they are 'working hard.'
Hindi ata nila alam yung rules ng debate. Once na mag dead air ka for 5 seconds tapos na yung speech that's why they talk that way. Ibang iba ito sa 1950's. Competition is very different.
Talaga? Two of the best debate teams in asia. And by the way ateneo reached top five best debating society worldwide at some point. Defeating all, as in all ivy league schools, including cambridge and oxford...
Ang dami namang nagmamagaling. Study the format of Asian Parliamentary kasi.
So gusto mo ba 1950s pa rin yung rules? Uso mag progress
Conventions differ from the 1950s to now. The same is true for this specific instance, as well as all the other debates after the 1950s that follow different styles. How very ironic it is that the words "grow up" apply to someone fixated on that time period.
Ang ganda ng points ng Ateneo ,and sa up dapat di lang sila nag stick sa rhetoric ng hard work since masyadong iba ang concept nya with different types of people.
Agree. Mas makatotohanan ung points nila.
It is so difficult to affirm to a stance which UPD is not in consonance with hahaha. UP's team found it difficult to defend their stand because their real stand is of the opposite.
Lmao what was I saying three years ago
@@jankashmirtan512up ngayon iba na hahaha matapobre na rin halos
The last guy from UP was good. He's on point
Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras set the bar so high.... Sorry guysss
When youtube recommended this after i watched all of The Herald Tribune Forum of the exchange students in the 50's. Especially with the video with Mr. Antillon in it.
I'm a bit disappointed that the government side did not even mentioned the Chinese immigrants here in the PH, back in the Spanish regime, they were considered filth, but they continued to work hard, filled their pockets with gold, and now their descendants are the wealthiest people in the country and that happened without them doing a massive scale of movement for reform.
The Opposition also didn't mention how the EDSA Revolution changed the government. It wasn't necessarily about hard work but the people in the revolution challenged the government.
The oppositions deputy leader's point is clear AF.
Lol ung mga complain siguro ng complain dito abt sa kung bakit ganun ung speed ay mga walang alam tungkol sa pag dedebate . Una mga ignorante championship yan ,hindi bastang dialogue .Pangalawa may time limit yan kaya kailangan concise at straight to the point na agad ung mga sasabihin . Lastly kung kayo ung mga nasa position ng mga yan at that time i doubt you'd be able to utter a single word , because you'd be at pressure and most likely you'll embarass yourself. Ni hindi nyo nga tinitingnan ung points nila ehh , ang linaw kaya nilang mag paliwanag ang kikitid lang talaga ng mga utak nyo
tama
Sobrang tama....sobrang galing nga ng college debaters
It's their first time to watch debate program, Di sila familiar sa mechanics they keep comparing 1950's debate and modern debate show
@@civneri4049 There's a difference between comparing and complaining.
Tumpak
This debate is time constraints guys, you were given a short time to say your points , to make say your points and arguments you have to say it fast para makadami ka
Galing ng Ateneo, nakakaproud💙🦅 ang galing din ng UP lalo na ng 3rd speaker nila❤️
Johnny Antillon and Merriam Santiago, speakers that i adore.
Jusko asan na ang mga batang to? Nahiya ako sa sarili ko. Ang gagaling nila!!
I open this channel after watching the 1956 debate of exchange students in the USA from different countries.So proud with Johnny Antillon,Raul Contreras and another student Ramon.So proud they are so smart and calm and what they said during that time were all true.I wonder if they become politicians after their studies I wonder if they made a change in the Philippines.
Antillon became ads manager, even make ad for cory
Debate nowadays are much harder believe me. The time limit makes me explode in nervousness as well as the intellectual opponent. Better to sleep anyway.
it's like they are rapping. I like how Johnny delivered his speech
I absolutely agree
I think that's how modern debate is now, I mean they have time limit and also I think I saw some highschool debate show/movie from other country where students speak fast to show their point.
@@civneri4049 is modern debate should be fast?
Stop comparing people from different time.
@@hitmanekoyslnp8572 they should deliver as many points in a short period of time so yes, they should be fas
This should be in the television..and school compititions nationwide
Govt. whip and deputy leader of the opposition are both eloquently convincing.
Absolutely agree, I’ve prepared to watch the 1950’s over ,more calm , intelligent. Well delivered, very articulate
Yeah that's what I said . ..
Yeah too much pressure on these kids. And they are too fast on their deliberation
Time pressured
Do you guys even know that this debate has time limit on it?
Stop comparing two video from different era.
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Kung ganito lang sana nakikita natin sa media hindi yung mga problema lang ng mga artista pinag chichismisan. Come on, mag produce sana ng mga real variety show na ganito para hindi lang puro tiktok o love life ng mga vloggers alam ng mga kabataan ngayon. 😏
There are a lot of this every year, Di Lang nakakakuha Ng sponsors from big media ang mga organising committee. UP hosts PIDC, Ateneo hosts Ateneo Deb Championship, there's Manila InterVarsity, and every part of the Philippines. Di Lang talaga makakuha Ng airtime SA TV but it was published in Facebook and TH-cam
it's already 2022 and yet i still hear the phrase 'at the end of the day' at least five times in every single debate speech in our org and in regional comps lol
WE HOPE TO HAVE MORE CONTENTS LIKE THIS
Johnny's and Raul's debate content is different they're just having a casual exchange of opinions (discourse), this one is different... I don't see the sense why putting such standards of Johnny's and Raul's debate videos on this 🤔
Agree
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Maybe the way they conducting themselves!Johnny’s debate about communism is on point and relevant to what is happening.I admire his humility and calmness throughout the debate in 1954.
Ateneo stunners. They talked on point and very clear .
Our format today is more about a win lose one. The objective is to defeat the other's wit. This is more about Argument - what politicians do. When you convert this in the corporate state, students trained this way may eventually tend to impose on the other for what they believe whether its the truth or not. Decisions are based on personalities and not on the objectives. These students are more politicians than philosophers.
I was lead to this video after watching a 1950s foreign exchange students where it seemed that they were more discourse-based than argument-based.
exactly! but I don't see the relevance as to why they are still comparing and setting standards of the content to that one from the 1950's videos like Johnny's and Raul's
@@dhayabris3163 i second that... What we need for change is not winning nor losing but rather a collaborative approach that may or may not include compromises from both sides
I agree with your observations but you have to understand that this debate and those 1950s videos you are talking about are completely different. First of all this is a competition so go figure as to why they are trying to one up each other, also they are trying to convince a panel of judges not each other, unlike in the 1950 videos where discourse was encouraged because they were directly talking to each other. The discourse like debates you want still happen today and this is the wrong place to go if you are looking for that kind of debate because once again this is a competition. Personally tho i can see why this kind of debate is considered the formal one in contrast to what you refer to as discourse type debates. You said it yourself the 1950s debates were more philosophical while these kinds of debate are more political. In case you havent noticed though, the world runs on politics, it has a bad rap amongst the people or everyone really but politics is necessary, it can be nasty and can show the worst of our society but its also a tool weve used for the longest time to better ourselves and society. Philosophy on the other hand gives lots of insight and wisdom which are helpful in giving us opinion on what kind of world we want to mold but it doenst really give
us the hows of how to achieve that world, but politics does.
Debate and discourse are two different things. They each have a purpose. To debate is to make a convincing argument. A debate makes you think on your feet and critically, at that. It is an important skill for students to develop. A discourse is social communication. It presents an opportunity to explore ideas during verbal exchange. Also important for students.
I like this kind of debate! Sana gawin ito sa mga public school in all high school.
It's being done in some high schools but the reason why it's not practiced often because some of the teachers doesn't have the skills to teach how to do a debate in a competitive manner or how to frame the arguments
A debate must be on point, and clear. Dont chase your words. People will appreciate the clarity, paused.
Hingal na hingal wala ako naiintindihan bwesit
Johny and Raul, the best debaters not only in the PH but they are both best debaters internationally😍😍😍
#JustSaying
#SorryNotSorry
Oo nmn during their era. Pero, marami ng nagbago ngayon.
Wala Sila Kay sir Johnny antillion. He can debate calmly with authority in his voice.
No match, dapat sa mga to sa fliptop kasi rapper, Mas malalim din english Johnny
Yeah I agree.
True
nagulat ako kala ko mag aaway puta debate.
meron n po kc time limit...kaya mabilis sila
The second speaker from the opposition is really good. His speech is something a layman can understand which is one of the hallmark of a great speaker.
I love the points and arguments of Cabrera...very clear...not rapping/chasing the words :)
its so fast that I dont understand compare to 1950's debate
Feel you..
they are only given 7mins to express their points
you can still understand it once you know the point of the discussion . at this point i stand with this ateneo since they're trying to describe that those outliers in our country have actually the right to speak regarding to their situation.
Babaan mo playback speed mo.
bobo ka lang talaga sa english, bawal ang mga tanga dito na gaya mo
I love these videos 😌 keep it coming, TH-cam.
Galing Ateneo👏👏 very calm lang at malinaw ang pagbigkas ng words
Knowledegable arguments. Thumbs up.
Searching more videos of Johnny brought me here. To be fair, the opposition supported their arguments well.
Debate in the 1950s is free speech with wisdom. Nowadays, it sounds pressured.
baka may time pressure
They can speak without sounding like they are rapping lol My fave is Mr Cabrera.. He doesnt sound like he is rapping his arguments
Hahaha true, but you know apaka interesting Yung topic nila I go with opposition Tama lhat points nila if we go see the real life of poor and middle class. The government must see all the necessary action to support people or in a state khit kayod kalabaw if Yung structure Ng government doesn't support the work of poor or individual wla silbi.
May napanood ako movie tungkol sa mga nag debate na students sa America ganto talaga sila mabilisan para mapoint out lahat ng point nila sa arguments at dahil narin sa given time limit.
tanga!! naka time constrain sila dapatnang bilisan para ma incite lahat ng points nila
@@chocolatetorridkiss4946 such profanity is a reflection of a person's upbringing.. I am well aware that there is a time constraint but you sir didnt understand my meaning well...
@@chocolatetorridkiss4946 bago ka magpaka-pretentious at mag-tawag ng “bobo” at “tanga”, point out ko lang na mali ang paggamit mo ng “incite”. At “constraint” ang tamang salita at hindi ang verb na “constrain”. “Time constraint” at hindi “time constrain”. Pinupuna mo comprehension ng ibang tao pero mali-mali ka naman. Nanonood ka ng debates pero puro ad hominem ka.
Matulog ka na lang, pseudo-intellectual.
Those 1950s high school debates brought me here. haha
This debate is not promoting people but themselves.
We need Johnny Antillon
😂😂😂galing lng aq don
The world needs Johny.
same hahaha 1950's pa din!
@@arleneperalta9930 same. Inuulit ulit ko. He's super sharp.
And raul contreras!
Ang layo ng debate noon kesa noon
Nasa future ka ba?
Noon at ngayon.......
ha? noon kesa noon?
Noon 1950's at noon kasi 2014 lmfao! 😂😂😂
They are in a hurry to talk. They must observe the art of speaking.
Timers
@@TheASSSASIN regardless.
I agree with this. Regardless of how good your arguments were if these are inaudible and hard to understand, it's just like you are talking to yourself with no audience.
At the end of the day, you are there to denote your points to the audience and not like as if you are mumble rapping.
22:06 sit down😂
its so telling how the socialist/communist argument won in this debate. People have forgotten past atrocities of that ideology have inflicted to its people. It is still happening today and we're so damn naïve and blinded. We are forgetting the meaning of true freedom is and it is heartbreaking. I pray that God may have mercy on our souls.
Being exposed to the brilliant debaters of the 1950’s have spoiled me…apparently, they raised the bar for many others too. Even the moderator sounded too pressured. In short, there was no pleasure listening to the current generation.
What are you talking about? These are renowned and high skilled debaters that compete internationally?
This kind of debate is called Asian Parliamentary Structure. They’re only given 30 minutes to prepare for the topic and 7 minutes to speak.
@@kamellavilla3900 A debator’s mission is ultimately to win over the listener or target audience to their camp of thinking. So no matter how flattering you describe their style, if I am not moved to agree, then they fail in my case.
opposition's first speaker tho
true
That's true. All I do while watching her part is just crying:))) (I have debate assignment to analyze this video but I still found difficulties in understanding the deputy prime minister speech) and now I don't know how to put it in words
Siguro dahil may oras kaya sila natataranta. Kailangan masabi nila ng buo 'yong stand nila kaya siguro nagmamadali HAHAHAHAHAH jk
That is one reason why they speak fast to deliver all points, arguements and rebutals they need to place on a limited time. Also the rules of not having deadair for 5 seconds.
I can understand them however they talk too fast.
They are eating their words. Duh.
I though this was a RAP COMPETITION.
I cant understand The UPD's Deputy Prime Minister. She's eating her words. :(
I beg to differ though. Their argument was weak and pointless to a lot of degree. The opponent shows strong arguments alongside.
Gutom
Opposition Whip goosebumps yung speech! Sobrang streamlined
Give ateneo credit for debating a losing view
I’ve watched this entire debate way back when I was still in college. The whips were both really good.
Much respect for all of them but John Antilllon & Raul Contreras had raised the bar for these debates.
We cannot denied, the Filipino are the most brilliant students in the world.
Talaga lang ha pag boto nga lang zero na 0
They should be taught in speaking with composure in a debate
the role of the state primarily is to provide equal footing for the disenfranchised people in society.
that is ideal
Ang galing ng PM! ❤️
this is the kind of debate we will have if we change to parliamentary form of government.. reforms in govt policies will be realized fast of we have a parliamentary govt
Ang layo compare s mga international debate back 1950's.
teh, sana alam mo naman yung "social change"
please someone, I really need your kindness to help me write down all the arguments they say, I can't listen very well. Please help anyone?
I think UPD should've won this; while I think that the motion is kinda skewed towards vague contentions about hardwork, I think that a debate should central on solving certain issues which in this case poverty alleviation. So far only UPD gave an explicit and operational solution to the issue and while the Ateneo is good with their rebuttals they did not even gave a single most precise and operational solution to the issue. I mean what are the disenfranchised communities be doing at the end of the day? Challenge the state? How? most importantly How will this stand alleviate poverty? getting by each day as worst case scenario from affirmative is arguably better than doing nothing, sure.
The motion says that we will support leaders telling their members that hardwork is the way out of poverty. The premise of the debate is not about the models being operationalized, it talks about the notion if leaders should tell their members that hardwork is the way out or not, and that is what you failed to understand.
These two opposing sides DOES NOT KNOW how to effectively debate. They are just concerned of one upping one another.
that is exactly the point of competitive debating ☠️
First speaker was fast paced.....but his examples as premise are abroad I doubt if it's relevant to the domestic situation, unless one has the tutelage from a social scientist at heart otherwise one has to delve, immerse in the community so strip himself from prejudice that truth shines over his visage the needs, problems and the future of country the kababbayang pinoy. Charcharot
The opposition tend to hit every spot on all sides of the table. Well its not surprising because their arguments in other or lower forms are very relevant in the modern era. I've seen some from facebook like a slogan with a farmer's pic with a caption "you're poor because you're lazy" so you see the upv took the losing side but kudos to them. Anyways its a nice debate but not the best for me. I wish na magawan ng paraan para mas maging smooth yung mga modern debates. After all its main purpose is to educate and give ideas, scenarios, and possibilities on both sides of a certain topic.
Escalante's arguments are clear and precise.
para akong nanunuod ng kdrama na nakafastforward , pamparampampam 🤪
Hahaha
Your comment is unnecessary. You only shows your intellectual cap.
I think it's because they're only given several minutes to speak. Nonetheless, it's still a good debate.
1950's debater is the best Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras
What is the topic of their debate?
It is my argument that this video is....
“SIT DOWN NO THANK YOU!!
For those commenting that they are like running horses in talking bear in mind that they were given a limited time thats why the haste.
frustrating these were already the best in the country
The reality is that, poverty can never be alleviated.
Let's not get into the nitty gritty details of the debate since you all watched it- but let's talk about the speakers. Mostly the ones that stood out to me.
My stance here is, by the way, an average, reasonable person. This is the same stance as most qualified adjudicators. I did this at 12am and without notes, so this is about as average as I can be.
The PM was, well, not understandable at all. Yes, he had nice, fancy words and fabulous descriptions and examples that stood out from time to time but what I more or less understood from his entire speech was that you can't work hard without an oppressive government you won't be able to work hard, that you are more or less useless if you let yourself accept your fate, as well as the fact that you need to be able to function without the government. Or anyone. Looking back on this, he literally just contradicted himself later on when his side consented that you need to exhibit hard work to get the government and other elitists to help and notice you.You know, I only got this after REPEATING his part. Multiple times. Though debating is supposedly a higher sport that requires a graceful or eloquent speech, it's much better to go a simpler, clearer way as most of the Ateneo team and his last teammate, the GW did.
See, I honestly think that it was UPD's whip that was their saving grace- he gave compelling arguments and examples in understandable ways; showing how working hard with what you have at the moment doesn't necessarily mean that you are part of a herd of sheep but shows that in the end, you're actually a wolf in sheep's clothing, waiting patiently for the chance to strike and that if you strike too early it'll be useless and nobody will hear your shouting, making you look like a whining toddler.
On Ateneo's side, they kept on talking about how if you're told that you should work hard, that gives you the mindset that the reason why you are poor is because you haven't worked hard enough, and that puts an unfair burden onto the marginalized- and then they said that the only way to make others acknowledge how hard you've worked, you need to "fight the system" and not wait since waiting is doing nothing, and therefore you and the rest of your community are a pile of waiting ducks. They banked on the idea that the greatest revolutionaries didn't have to wait for the call-of-arms, but rushed straight into it after gathering their ranks.
I believe that this entire debate was quite moderate.
Both houses agreed towards the end that one needs to go against the system to alleviate being poor and the only thing left to debate over was when the right time to strike is. What they could've gone on was, on the government''s side, continuing on their idea of being self-sustainable and therefore alleviating oneself of one's poor status through hard work, and on the opposition, how just because you're poor doesn't mean you're hardworking and that you need to change the system through your own means, always assuming that if you don't opt for change, who will?
But that's just me.
The danger of less fluid conversations are predisposed ideas that may have been answered before but still persists anyways
Nung debate ng 1956 katulad nina Johnny at Raul is waring nagtsitsikahan lang sila. Walang tension, gitgitan, o sapawan. They talk when it is their turn in one microphone despite salit-salitan lang sila. Ngayon, masarap tingnan ang mga kabataan na ganito kagagaling. Nakaka-inspire lang.👏👏👏🥰
Haha anun kinagaling? Mukang wlang disiplina etc. Malayo sa panahon nila johnny at raul.
@@congkabsat9243 Alam ko! I just appreciate their exposure. Syempre mas magagaling tlga ang kabataan noon kesa ngayon. Ano bang kamalayan ng mga kabataan noon kesa ngayon sa Pulitika?
Ikaw ang magbasa at umintindi🤭😏
@@congkabsat9243 Anong ako umintindi? I'm not reacting ur comparison sa batch nina Contreras at Antillon. Gus2 kong ipahiwatig is, marunong ka rin mag-appreciate sa mga kabataan ngayon. I'm not even comparing them from the past debaters.
Good debate. I think to our country to solve the poverty problem not so many child. I think so many Filipino they're illiterate to finance even they're educated that's why no saving and also we dont use our resources properly I think we should encourage the youngs to do something differently rather to go university even not academic person and the government they should encourage to do some vocational courses and to be creative I believe lots youngs to our country have talents that can use every day or do some enterprises and for better future.
I'm w/ UPD on this one. They should have won.
Ateneo shows strong argunent.
I like the 2nd guy speak in ateneo because the way he speak he always delivered what he want to tell if the audiences
They should define ' hard work' first so there is a base
This time my point is on Ateneo. Pero bet ko yung 3rd speaker sa UPD.
Wow grabe very smart watching from Sabah
Shems how to be them?? Ang galing huhu
I can't simply comprehend why Robles was declared as the tournament's overall best speaker when she clearly supported the part that the black americans work hard for the longest time that's why they were recognize?? That is exactly the point of the UPD, that hardwork is the way for the government to value your hardwork fairly.
I would rather watching the old version debate long time ago.. it is more calm , well delivered the speech very articulate student .. I’d love listening them ..but this student as if like fighting to win .. very aggressively almost loosing their voice .. you need to take some sleeping pills . It is really annoying.. I know they’re doing their best but . You need to calm down. I can’t bear to listen ... new generation for 2000
Johnny and Raul are the best, because they talked naturally and calm, debating it doesn't mean makipag kalit ka, just give other parties to interrupt and let them talk too..
It's because you don't understand the rules.
There are rules in today's debates, sherlock.
why are the UP team stumbling on their words? They also managed to minimize the difficulties the blacks suffered and continue to suffer to this day.