Opposing Views Episode 37 - Philippine Inter-Collegiate Debating Championship 2014
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- Opposing Views: A hard, straightforward discussion of today's most pressing issues.
Aggressive, bold and spontaneous-Opposing Views aims to bring pressing issues to the fore by showcasing clashing, divergent opinions. It serves as a venue for a special debate, providing two panels a chance to present the pros and cons of the discussion. Hosted by Rod Nepomuceno.
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I find the Deputy Leader of Opposition to be arguably precise with his points and articulate every point he made. He is the only speaker that made me understand what the motion really is and what it is about. It is not on rush and smooth sailing of ideas is highly brilliant! Kudos!
Or maybe you are not well verse enough to cope up with the others mode of giving their points that is why the only person that made you understand his point is the oppositions deputy? Just asking.
@@brainypilipinas8545 I think that makes the speaker in mention more likable. He managed to simplify the otherwise complex plethora of ideas into something digestible for the audience.
They stutter because they forget yo breathe in 🤣🤣🤣
I stumbled on this content after warching Johnny Antillon😍😍😍
Me too
Yaaassss johnnyyyy
hahaha same here
Same.
haha...same here 😀
Focused clarity of argumentation and methodology, good command of the English language and its nuances, and strategic delivery make viewing this art of debate worth our while. The Ateneo side, especially the gentlemen were striking! Congratulations to all the debaters! I thank the agents of this endeavor and wish it continues to inspire, research, judicious preparation and strategic delivery in the English Language! God speed to each and every participant! 🙏🏼⭐️❤️
We should have more of this in the media. Great watch
The Philippines should establish a Johnny Antillon Debating Institute and teach the new generation how to debate in an organized and composed manner.
Raul Contreras magaling din. Year 1956. 15 lang siya nung sumali siya sa debate.
Totally agree sir, Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras showed excellent composure, authority and clear cut on point argument.....
I completely agree. They are NOT composed at all.
Omcm
they were composed and organized when they were delivering their constructive speeches. you have to understand that that’s how competitive debate works today. the time is limited and time starts to run the moment you stand on the podium-making you to deliver your speech as fast as possible. folks, remember that we’re not in the 1950s anymore. it’s rare to see that kind of debate today. and if you hear how debaters argue in 2020s, i’ll say that this video 7 years ago was far more bearable than any other competitive debate now.
the speaker Mr. escalante states his arguments in a very clever and simple way. that sums the debate
No!
Those 1950's filipino kid debaters were so calm and composed, and surprisingly so knowledgeable with the subjects/topics on hand, and speaking english with very filipino accent. It's a delight to watch the teenagers of yesteryears doing debates on the world stage with unimaginable brilliance enthralling foreign audiences. Pinoy pride dates way back decades ago.
Mga high school lang din yun sila
I am impressed to see archives of 1950s... The manner of Filipino representatives that time were direct and calm. I can listen to them all the day.
You shouldn’t even compare in the first place because this is a formal debate where they are given a time limit and being evaluated, with the goal to win in the argument and claim their trophy. The old archive videos are for the purpose of dialogue with no trophy being offered to anyone. No school names attached to the delegates. The 1950s student exchange programs weren’t formatted as a debate but rather a chance for students to have a platform where they could explore different perspectives from multiple countries. Different mechanics and different goals.
Johnny antillon.
Yeah, he is an excellent debater .
To be fair, they are in a setting designed to pin them against each other with two polarized sides. The videos of Johnny Antillon and the US exchange programs weren’t so much a debate but rather a liberal discussion. These guys are primed to be much more opposing against each other because they are in a competitive setting.
Hardwork will be inherent to communities who struggle to put food on their plates, of course they will work hard first in order to feed themselves, but logically, what follows is the question of when will that system of living change? When will those hardwork be rewarded - to whom will they air these grievances to? For the government to say, "LATER" screams injustice and inaccountability and that's where the opposition comes in. GO BLUE.
When youtube recommended this after i watched all of The Herald Tribune Forum of the exchange students in the 50's. Especially with the video with Mr. Antillon in it.
Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras set the bar so high.... Sorry guysss
The opposition presented good arguments backed by history and solutions. When you're privileged, it's easy to say that if people will only work hard they'll succeed but that's not the case. For example in the US, a minimum wage earner needs to work 2-3 jobs to be able to live comfortably. But some MWEs though they work 2-3 jobs are still living paycheck to paycheck. We can't say that they're not working hard as having 2 jobs is not easy. But why do they still struggle even though they are 'working hard.'
Watching Debate in 1956 with Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras Philippines 🇵🇭 representatives are both calm and intelligent.
Absolutely agree
This debate has time.. You better understand
The debaters in this video were only given limited time while the 1950s debaters have more time to argue.
Normie
@@kozlovxei thats why it looks ugly.
The oppositions deputy leader's point is clear AF.
The last guy from UP was good. He's on point
Hindi ata nila alam yung rules ng debate. Once na mag dead air ka for 5 seconds tapos na yung speech that's why they talk that way. Ibang iba ito sa 1950's. Competition is very different.
Talaga? Two of the best debate teams in asia. And by the way ateneo reached top five best debating society worldwide at some point. Defeating all, as in all ivy league schools, including cambridge and oxford...
Ang dami namang nagmamagaling. Study the format of Asian Parliamentary kasi.
So gusto mo ba 1950s pa rin yung rules? Uso mag progress
Debates nowadays are time limited. In a certain amount of time they should explain what they have to. 💁 Jhonny and Raul's time is diff.
Yun nga lang... Mas ma eenjoy mo yung sa 1950's. Kahit mga slow, makakasabay.
@@curtcrowley6659 the target demographic for these debates are different from the 1950s the level of sophistcation that debaters have rn are centered towards getting acrosss eachother, not entertaining you.
Mas gising @ aktibo ang isip ng mga kabataan noon about sa kahalagahan ng kalayaan at demokrasya. Not for aliw at pagalingan purposes only.
Ang ganda ng points ng Ateneo ,and sa up dapat di lang sila nag stick sa rhetoric ng hard work since masyadong iba ang concept nya with different types of people.
Agree. Mas makatotohanan ung points nila.
It is so difficult to affirm to a stance which UPD is not in consonance with hahaha. UP's team found it difficult to defend their stand because their real stand is of the opposite.
Lmao what was I saying three years ago
@@jankashmirtan512up ngayon iba na hahaha matapobre na rin halos
Ibalik niyo yung ganitonv shows sa Pilipinas para sa kabataan.
Meron po nun sa ANC.
@@sychomadman thank you for dropping the network I always tune in at gma they do not have these types of shows
Debate nowadays are much harder believe me. The time limit makes me explode in nervousness as well as the intellectual opponent. Better to sleep anyway.
Kung ganito lang sana nakikita natin sa media hindi yung mga problema lang ng mga artista pinag chichismisan. Come on, mag produce sana ng mga real variety show na ganito para hindi lang puro tiktok o love life ng mga vloggers alam ng mga kabataan ngayon. 😏
There are a lot of this every year, Di Lang nakakakuha Ng sponsors from big media ang mga organising committee. UP hosts PIDC, Ateneo hosts Ateneo Deb Championship, there's Manila InterVarsity, and every part of the Philippines. Di Lang talaga makakuha Ng airtime SA TV but it was published in Facebook and TH-cam
Jusko asan na ang mga batang to? Nahiya ako sa sarili ko. Ang gagaling nila!!
I love these videos 😌 keep it coming, TH-cam.
Lol ung mga complain siguro ng complain dito abt sa kung bakit ganun ung speed ay mga walang alam tungkol sa pag dedebate . Una mga ignorante championship yan ,hindi bastang dialogue .Pangalawa may time limit yan kaya kailangan concise at straight to the point na agad ung mga sasabihin . Lastly kung kayo ung mga nasa position ng mga yan at that time i doubt you'd be able to utter a single word , because you'd be at pressure and most likely you'll embarass yourself. Ni hindi nyo nga tinitingnan ung points nila ehh , ang linaw kaya nilang mag paliwanag ang kikitid lang talaga ng mga utak nyo
tama
Sobrang tama....sobrang galing nga ng college debaters
It's their first time to watch debate program, Di sila familiar sa mechanics they keep comparing 1950's debate and modern debate show
@@civneri4049 There's a difference between comparing and complaining.
Tumpak
WE HOPE TO HAVE MORE CONTENTS LIKE THIS
Johnny Antillon and Merriam Santiago, speakers that i adore.
Galing ng Ateneo, nakakaproud💙🦅 ang galing din ng UP lalo na ng 3rd speaker nila❤️
I open this channel after watching the 1956 debate of exchange students in the USA from different countries.So proud with Johnny Antillon,Raul Contreras and another student Ramon.So proud they are so smart and calm and what they said during that time were all true.I wonder if they become politicians after their studies I wonder if they made a change in the Philippines.
Antillon became ads manager, even make ad for cory
This debate is time constraints guys, you were given a short time to say your points , to make say your points and arguments you have to say it fast para makadami ka
Govt. whip and deputy leader of the opposition are both eloquently convincing.
bilingualism is a significant part of the cultural and linguistic landscape of the Philippines, and it continues to play an important role in shaping the country's identity, education system, and economic prospects.
Our format today is more about a win lose one. The objective is to defeat the other's wit. This is more about Argument - what politicians do. When you convert this in the corporate state, students trained this way may eventually tend to impose on the other for what they believe whether its the truth or not. Decisions are based on personalities and not on the objectives. These students are more politicians than philosophers.
I was lead to this video after watching a 1950s foreign exchange students where it seemed that they were more discourse-based than argument-based.
exactly! but I don't see the relevance as to why they are still comparing and setting standards of the content to that one from the 1950's videos like Johnny's and Raul's
@@dhayabris3163 i second that... What we need for change is not winning nor losing but rather a collaborative approach that may or may not include compromises from both sides
I agree with your observations but you have to understand that this debate and those 1950s videos you are talking about are completely different. First of all this is a competition so go figure as to why they are trying to one up each other, also they are trying to convince a panel of judges not each other, unlike in the 1950 videos where discourse was encouraged because they were directly talking to each other. The discourse like debates you want still happen today and this is the wrong place to go if you are looking for that kind of debate because once again this is a competition. Personally tho i can see why this kind of debate is considered the formal one in contrast to what you refer to as discourse type debates. You said it yourself the 1950s debates were more philosophical while these kinds of debate are more political. In case you havent noticed though, the world runs on politics, it has a bad rap amongst the people or everyone really but politics is necessary, it can be nasty and can show the worst of our society but its also a tool weve used for the longest time to better ourselves and society. Philosophy on the other hand gives lots of insight and wisdom which are helpful in giving us opinion on what kind of world we want to mold but it doenst really give
us the hows of how to achieve that world, but politics does.
Debate and discourse are two different things. They each have a purpose. To debate is to make a convincing argument. A debate makes you think on your feet and critically, at that. It is an important skill for students to develop. A discourse is social communication. It presents an opportunity to explore ideas during verbal exchange. Also important for students.
I'm a bit disappointed that the government side did not even mentioned the Chinese immigrants here in the PH, back in the Spanish regime, they were considered filth, but they continued to work hard, filled their pockets with gold, and now their descendants are the wealthiest people in the country and that happened without them doing a massive scale of movement for reform.
The Opposition also didn't mention how the EDSA Revolution changed the government. It wasn't necessarily about hard work but the people in the revolution challenged the government.
Knowledegable arguments. Thumbs up.
it's like they are rapping. I like how Johnny delivered his speech
I absolutely agree
I think that's how modern debate is now, I mean they have time limit and also I think I saw some highschool debate show/movie from other country where students speak fast to show their point.
@@civneri4049 is modern debate should be fast?
Stop comparing people from different time.
@@hitmanekoyslnp8572 they should deliver as many points in a short period of time so yes, they should be fas
it's already 2022 and yet i still hear the phrase 'at the end of the day' at least five times in every single debate speech in our org and in regional comps lol
Ateneo stunners. They talked on point and very clear .
Johnny's and Raul's debate content is different they're just having a casual exchange of opinions (discourse), this one is different... I don't see the sense why putting such standards of Johnny's and Raul's debate videos on this 🤔
Agree
angree
Maybe the way they conducting themselves!Johnny’s debate about communism is on point and relevant to what is happening.I admire his humility and calmness throughout the debate in 1954.
Absolutely agree, I’ve prepared to watch the 1950’s over ,more calm , intelligent. Well delivered, very articulate
Yeah that's what I said . ..
Yeah too much pressure on these kids. And they are too fast on their deliberation
Time pressured
Do you guys even know that this debate has time limit on it?
Stop comparing two video from different era.
Those 1950s high school debates brought me here. haha
Debate in the 1950s is free speech with wisdom. Nowadays, it sounds pressured.
baka may time pressure
A debate must be on point, and clear. Dont chase your words. People will appreciate the clarity, paused.
Hingal na hingal wala ako naiintindihan bwesit
I love the points and arguments of Cabrera...very clear...not rapping/chasing the words :)
I like this kind of debate! Sana gawin ito sa mga public school in all high school.
It's being done in some high schools but the reason why it's not practiced often because some of the teachers doesn't have the skills to teach how to do a debate in a competitive manner or how to frame the arguments
Searching more videos of Johnny brought me here. To be fair, the opposition supported their arguments well.
They can speak without sounding like they are rapping lol My fave is Mr Cabrera.. He doesnt sound like he is rapping his arguments
Hahaha true, but you know apaka interesting Yung topic nila I go with opposition Tama lhat points nila if we go see the real life of poor and middle class. The government must see all the necessary action to support people or in a state khit kayod kalabaw if Yung structure Ng government doesn't support the work of poor or individual wla silbi.
May napanood ako movie tungkol sa mga nag debate na students sa America ganto talaga sila mabilisan para mapoint out lahat ng point nila sa arguments at dahil narin sa given time limit.
tanga!! naka time constrain sila dapatnang bilisan para ma incite lahat ng points nila
@@chocolatetorridkiss4946 such profanity is a reflection of a person's upbringing.. I am well aware that there is a time constraint but you sir didnt understand my meaning well...
@@chocolatetorridkiss4946 bago ka magpaka-pretentious at mag-tawag ng “bobo” at “tanga”, point out ko lang na mali ang paggamit mo ng “incite”. At “constraint” ang tamang salita at hindi ang verb na “constrain”. “Time constraint” at hindi “time constrain”. Pinupuna mo comprehension ng ibang tao pero mali-mali ka naman. Nanonood ka ng debates pero puro ad hominem ka.
Matulog ka na lang, pseudo-intellectual.
Siguro dahil may oras kaya sila natataranta. Kailangan masabi nila ng buo 'yong stand nila kaya siguro nagmamadali HAHAHAHAHAH jk
That is one reason why they speak fast to deliver all points, arguements and rebutals they need to place on a limited time. Also the rules of not having deadair for 5 seconds.
Galing Ateneo👏👏 very calm lang at malinaw ang pagbigkas ng words
Johny and Raul, the best debaters not only in the PH but they are both best debaters internationally😍😍😍
#JustSaying
#SorryNotSorry
We need Johnny Antillon
😂😂😂galing lng aq don
The world needs Johny.
same hahaha 1950's pa din!
@@arleneperalta9930 same. Inuulit ulit ko. He's super sharp.
And raul contreras!
para akong nanunuod ng kdrama na nakafastforward , pamparampampam 🤪
Hahaha
Your comment is unnecessary. You only shows your intellectual cap.
I think it's because they're only given several minutes to speak. Nonetheless, it's still a good debate.
its so fast that I dont understand compare to 1950's debate
Feel you..
they are only given 7mins to express their points
you can still understand it once you know the point of the discussion . at this point i stand with this ateneo since they're trying to describe that those outliers in our country have actually the right to speak regarding to their situation.
Babaan mo playback speed mo.
bobo ka lang talaga sa english, bawal ang mga tanga dito na gaya mo
Wala Sila Kay sir Johnny antillion. He can debate calmly with authority in his voice.
No match, dapat sa mga to sa fliptop kasi rapper, Mas malalim din english Johnny
Yeah I agree.
True
nagulat ako kala ko mag aaway puta debate.
meron n po kc time limit...kaya mabilis sila
Ang layo ng debate noon kesa noon
Nasa future ka ba?
Noon at ngayon.......
ha? noon kesa noon?
Noon 1950's at noon kasi 2014 lmfao! 😂😂😂
I can understand them however they talk too fast.
They are eating their words. Duh.
I though this was a RAP COMPETITION.
this is the kind of debate we will have if we change to parliamentary form of government.. reforms in govt policies will be realized fast of we have a parliamentary govt
They are in a hurry to talk. They must observe the art of speaking.
Timers
@@TheASSSASIN regardless.
I agree with this. Regardless of how good your arguments were if these are inaudible and hard to understand, it's just like you are talking to yourself with no audience.
At the end of the day, you are there to denote your points to the audience and not like as if you are mumble rapping.
22:06 sit down😂
its so telling how the socialist/communist argument won in this debate. People have forgotten past atrocities of that ideology have inflicted to its people. It is still happening today and we're so damn naïve and blinded. We are forgetting the meaning of true freedom is and it is heartbreaking. I pray that God may have mercy on our souls.
This debate is not promoting people but themselves.
I’ve watched this entire debate way back when I was still in college. The whips were both really good.
Ateneo shows strong argunent.
25:53 - Thesis statement
26:32 - Context
27:10 - Rebuttal
29:00 - End
29:58 - Begins with argument
31:33 - Question answered
50:00 - Closing statement
the role of the state primarily is to provide equal footing for the disenfranchised people in society.
that is ideal
opposition's first speaker tho
true
That's true. All I do while watching her part is just crying:))) (I have debate assignment to analyze this video but I still found difficulties in understanding the deputy prime minister speech) and now I don't know how to put it in words
I cant understand The UPD's Deputy Prime Minister. She's eating her words. :(
I beg to differ though. Their argument was weak and pointless to a lot of degree. The opponent shows strong arguments alongside.
Gutom
Good debate. I think to our country to solve the poverty problem not so many child. I think so many Filipino they're illiterate to finance even they're educated that's why no saving and also we dont use our resources properly I think we should encourage the youngs to do something differently rather to go university even not academic person and the government they should encourage to do some vocational courses and to be creative I believe lots youngs to our country have talents that can use every day or do some enterprises and for better future.
Johnny Antillon kase eh huhu 🥺🥺
Being exposed to the brilliant debaters of the 1950’s have spoiled me…apparently, they raised the bar for many others too. Even the moderator sounded too pressured. In short, there was no pleasure listening to the current generation.
What are you talking about? These are renowned and high skilled debaters that compete internationally?
This kind of debate is called Asian Parliamentary Structure. They’re only given 30 minutes to prepare for the topic and 7 minutes to speak.
@@kamellavilla3900 A debator’s mission is ultimately to win over the listener or target audience to their camp of thinking. So no matter how flattering you describe their style, if I am not moved to agree, then they fail in my case.
Wow grabe very smart watching from Sabah
They should be taught in speaking with composure in a debate
Shems how to be them?? Ang galing huhu
Escalante's arguments are clear and precise.
please someone, I really need your kindness to help me write down all the arguments they say, I can't listen very well. Please help anyone?
The opposition tend to hit every spot on all sides of the table. Well its not surprising because their arguments in other or lower forms are very relevant in the modern era. I've seen some from facebook like a slogan with a farmer's pic with a caption "you're poor because you're lazy" so you see the upv took the losing side but kudos to them. Anyways its a nice debate but not the best for me. I wish na magawan ng paraan para mas maging smooth yung mga modern debates. After all its main purpose is to educate and give ideas, scenarios, and possibilities on both sides of a certain topic.
What is the topic of their debate?
frustrating these were already the best in the country
Time pressure to.. Kaya ang bilis..
Ang galing ng PM! ❤️
This premise is balls.
Opposition Whip goosebumps yung speech! Sobrang streamlined
Sa ateneo ako swabe si sir Cabrera magdeliver kalmado, bat parang babad sa laway yung dila ng babae sa UP tas yung isa parang nag TiTikTok magalaw 😂😂😂
I like the 2nd guy speak in ateneo because the way he speak he always delivered what he want to tell if the audiences
Ang cute nung Intsik
1950's debater is the best Johnny Antillon and Raul Contreras
They should define ' hard work' first so there is a base
ANG SAKIT MANGGALING SA SIDE NG UP LALO NA SA THIRD SPEAKER NILA NA NAGRARALLY AT NABABALOCK ANG DAANAN. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA..
Hahahaha kaya nga. 🤣🤣
They are challenging the system bcoz the System (Govt) is not doing what should be done.
These two opposing sides DOES NOT KNOW how to effectively debate. They are just concerned of one upping one another.
that is exactly the point of competitive debating ☠️
Impressive debate
i hear aggression and people not really listening to one another. not the Johnny Antillon level of debating.
It is my argument that this video is....
“SIT DOWN NO THANK YOU!!
Lol, it must UP is the champion. 😊 anyways, that's my opinion.
Give ateneo credit for debating a losing view
For those commenting that they are like running horses in talking bear in mind that they were given a limited time thats why the haste.
Poverty needs hard work in order to reduce or relieve suffering.
Good points
This time my point is on Ateneo. Pero bet ko yung 3rd speaker sa UPD.
why are the UP team stumbling on their words? They also managed to minimize the difficulties the blacks suffered and continue to suffer to this day.
Can someone put a subtitle :D please.
Ang layo compare s mga international debate back 1950's.
teh, sana alam mo naman yung "social change"
If faster progress is needed and always resources are needed government must initiate the sort of necessary , organized help