Usually agreed, but their peripherals are competitive in price with the rest of the gaming peripherals. The viper wireless with the dock at 150$ matches the GPW launch retail price which has gone down due to being out for half a year.
I think you might be confusing "competitive" with "inexpensive". For example the Huntsman TE is about the same price as the G PRO. Definitely not cheap but no Razer tax.
When the switches have two actuation points it would make much more sense to use tactile switches instead of linear switches. Only then you can really feel a difference between the two actuation points. Just like camera triggers. Just a light press and the camera starts the autofocus. You press harder, feel a physical bump, and the camera takes the picture. That works really well even though those triggers have only a travel distance of about a millimeter maximum. But it wouldn't work at all without that tactile feeling.
Doesn't really matter since the thumbstick wears out in like a month. Just check your local used electronics marketplace and there's a lot of these things with broken thumbstick and unresponsive keys.
Ironically only entry level cameras use two stage shutter buttons with a noticeable click. High end cameras just have squishy buttons and you have to muscle memory your way to knowing where the dual actuation is. I think it's stupid but it's also because in higher end photo work we normally use back button AF anyway so don't want the shutter having a click in the middle. I really wish they used an analogue shutter release that you could set to adjust your burst rate dynamically, the harder you push the faster the fps. My camera shoots up to 30fps in photos and it would be nice to gently push it for 1fps or fully depress for 30, and everything in between. Sorry for the tangent
Thats what literally everyone wants. So many people have asked for an analog joystick. Razer cant be so blind to this. Im sure they have seen the reviews.
@@ATGbandit and there's definitely a market for it: if you check Azeron's website you have to pay 285€ for priority right now, unless ofc you want to wait up to 180 days. That's just crazy and I really regret not picking one up when I had the chance.
I've heard of the azeron. It looks amazing but I'd prefer a big brand company to make something like that so if I have problems I can return it. Or have it replaced. I don't want to wait months to get one. Have it break. And then be out of luck or have to wait a very long time for a replacement.
Again thats fucking bull shit I wanted them to make one with an analog like the azeron keypad but they always all out so I wanted a razer one but no analog what the fuck it will make gaming easier so u dont need 3 fingers to move just one
I’ve got the Tartarus v2 and I honestly couldn’t use a keyboard after having something this comfortable. Not sure it’s worth the upgrade but I’m very happy with the v2.
@@decimated550 I actually stopped using the Tartarus very soon after making that comment because mine had a bug in it where the W key would just stop reading inputs for half a second at random. It was so bad and apparently it was a known issue with them so I threw it away and bought a Ducky keyboard. I'm still mad about it
@@TastyLemon123 oh really. W - that's an important key! i bought a 14.99 extra insurance/support on this thing, hoping that if it does something weird like that then i get a new one
@@decimated550 Yeah I can’t remember too good cause it was like 4 years ago but I believe when holding WASD it would sometimes stop reading the input, which made it completely unusable because you can’t have your keyboard just stop working in the middle of a game. It’s comfortable to use though and it’s small so you’ll have more mouse space on your desk. Hopefully they fixed that in future versions
@@Latsu15 the only appeal of keypads because of the WASD fingers being able to be free with a joystick. This can still be done with this iPad but it's still not a joystick like the azeron style.
@@Latsu15 the only appeal for competitive are games that dont require WASD like League of legends. This thing is a game changer in League being able to have all this keybinds on the fly. F1-f5 keys are hard to reach
@@Latsu15 You're thumb gets 8 different inputs to use from the pad and one from the rest. Now, WASD takes away the added benefit of four of those. Analogue removes a lot of versatility in terms of the number of inputs from the thumb (the rest button becomes less useful too), but you do get much better movement. The best would probably be an analogue stick with an optional plastic guide for those who don't want to use the stick for movement.
Razer : we made our keypad analog guys ! Everyone : oh you finally ditched the camouflaged dpad ? Razer : look at all those analog keys Everyone : *visible anger*
That's why I like Logitech peripherals. I haven't even installed their software on my fresh Windows installation, yet my mouse and headset are still on my custom profiles. Same thing with the RGB on my Wraith Prism cooler. Case fans are controlled by a dumb controller wired into the reset button.
I love synapse Especially when it forgets my chroma settings Or when the lights turn on when the pc is on sleep mode Or when the software refuses to open
I just want to know why it needs 5 instances of itself talking to everything that has ever connected to localhost... also... It would be nice if the RGB on my Deathadder elite would stop when I shut the computer down.. Or why it randomly log's itself out of synapse >.
They probably would need atleast a new mold or retool some stuff which would increase production cost. Razer is probably not interested investing too much money into such a rather niche product compared to their more mainstream stuff.
It’s worse than orbweaver which i got for 75$ and i paid full price for this 130$. thumbad is very badly positioned for midsize hand (18,5/11), keys stutter or keeps spamming after you don’t touch it, not ergonomic at all, no onboard memory, no click feels. Who haven’t tried orbweaver, they don’t know how bad this is.
Cristi Baltoi orbweaver is superior in regard to customization and mechanical response. fails cosmetically, but some actually like the bulky retro look it has
Thank you Dmitri for making these videos! It's been more than one and a half decade since I had a desktop, and wathcing your videos in the past few years, along with Linus's, Luke's, Jay's and Paul's is what gave me the knowledge and motivation to finally build one completely on my own. I just ordered the parts yesterday and can't wait to start. Keep doing what you're doing! Greetings from Hungary! TT
Cpt. Buli but synapse sucks, so it’d be nice to be able to just make your profiles on synapse and then delete it instead of constantly having it running all the time
Copernicus1n it’s not about the performance hit, it’s just because I don’t want to be forced to have a bunch of bloatware running all the time when it isn’t necessary, plus it’s nice to be able to use it on more than one computer without re-downloading synapse and making the profiles again
@@lordvolkharktheorginal now Synapse 3 is almost completely error-free, and all such programs beat with functionality and extension. My friend buy Logitech mouse week ago, download GHub and he say "OMG, This program is one big disaster i hate This. Synapse 3 is 3000 times better!"
@@overgamer4162 so far after 3 years of dealing with razer productions I've not missed the near constant information syncing (forced otherwise the device has malfunctions) it was that not updates or the camera failure the had with lie of omission that would do it's on back ground removal from "razer" software. to honest I didn't have to download the programming for my mouse it function great steel series programming only used to bring down sensitive on some games doesn't run in the background or need network access constantly. roccats never had it's programming for the keyboard its been amazing so I can't see a return if even this review it's saying the programming doesn't save on system an needs to run so sorry not a gain. thank you for the conversation none the less this is a wonderful community
@@lordvolkharktheorginal never ever my Razer product was broken. My Razer Lancehead TE have 3 years old and still looks like new. This is one of many resons why I like Razer. Do you have any questions then go ahead 😅 Also thank you for this conversation.
I wish they make this for right hand. This half-keypad is more useful for productivity than gaming. I'm currently use the Nostromo backward with my right hand for drawing's custom keyboard because I draw with my left hand.
As a cripple that uses a Naga + Stinkyboard to game this would be a dream come true...they make left-handed nagas but not right handed versions of this. I'd finally be able to play Street Fighter/Tekken as fighting games are only thing I can't enjoy playing.
I'm right handed, but I would love to just have one for each hand and just get rid of a standard keyboard. I already have a split keyboard, the Kinesis Freestyle Edge gaming keyboard, which is pretty great. But I just think thumbs are just so under-utilized by PC peripherals. Having used a Razer Orbweaver with my left hand for 5+ years now, that's all I really want. Two Orbweavers connected by a cord in the middle. There are other split keyboards like the Ergodox which do have more modifier thumb keys, but the Orbweaver with its directional pad and now this scroll wheel add so much more functionality. Razer is silly not to recognize that right-handed users would also purchase these products designed for left-handed use.
The 4 cheap ass two point micro switches of Razer's thumbstick are so cheap and uncommon on today's gaming gears,I had to order a bag of them directly from Shenzhen(which is about 0.05 USD per.Since obviously Razer can't afford to use the 0.1 USD 20M switches on the crucial part of a 199 USD gear) to repalce/solder them myself after my orbweaver chroma's thumbstick gives up after 13 months.I don't care if you using mechanical switches or god dam NASA switches for the keypads,If the thumbstick give up,that's the point?Shame on Razer to intentionally designed a weak point for the gears that were advertised on having better durability because of the use of mechanical switches on the keypad.
The Tartarus v2 has horrible ergonomics unless you have long fingers. The adjustable hand rest is to high up when moved forward for shorter fingers and makes it uncomfortable to get to the #20 key for spacebar usage. Then if you move it back to get to the 20 key and lower it due to being to high, you can not get to the top row of keys without picking up your hand and moving it. Thus you cant get to the top row and also reach the 20 key at the same time. That said I am not going to just complain without making some suggestions. Ship with an optional wrist rest that fits flush with the unit. As using the Tatarus without the wrist rest feels ergonomically better and also angle the top 2 rows of keys in a concave fashion back to the hand to make them easier to reach.
Knowing how Optical switches function to detect analogue input, I'm surprised that the OEM for these switches, a little-known Chinese company called Dongguan Mingjian, managed to integrate analogue functionality into their design. See, previously, Wooting's switch OEM, another Chinese company called Adomax, achieved analogue sensing in their optical switches through a very complicated reflecting lens system that bounced a light beam two times in such a way as to allow varying amounts of light to reach the sensor as u pressed the keys higher or lower. Mingjian's design is a simple one-way beam of light that simply gets blocked or unblocked as the key is pressed past the actuation point. That they somehow managed to make this far simpler mechanism work in an analogue way is quite amazing from a design standpoint.
g4r15 so true, and the g13 layout is also compatible with either side usage which is great. And thus widens the market range, since some designers and digital illustrators (especially the one who are left handed) could make use of its macro ability.
Was thinking about buying a keypad for gaming and makros, but this is 4 years old and still not wireless, waiting for one to hopefully come in the future so i can finally buy one
I'm pretty sure the reason why they don't have an analog stick on the Razer Tartarus Pro and V2 is so you can set it to different keys or functions but it would still be nice to have an interchangeable analog stick.
I'll jump on a wireless option for my couch gaming. Onboard keymap storage wouldn't be unappreciated, but I don't mind running Synapse 3 to handle all of my devices.
First thing to do is move the space bar from 20 to the profile switcher for me, just way more comfortable then I made 20 a "hold to swap maps" for macros galore. Tartarus is the best thing ever because of this lol
Razer ... listening ? What you on man ? The tatarus line is plagued with faulty d-pad switches. Their support is non existent at best, but mostly just insulting. The orbweaver would dissassemble itself after a year or so.. screws would become loose, and the double sided sticky tape keeping the rubber in place would break down and make a huge mess. Not to mention key coating that would wear off extremely quickly. Not even going to touch synapse v3. Are you a dev, and want to develop around some of the functionality that synapse provides, but need some clarification on function or feature ? A kind email to razer support will get you a canned 'go eff yourself' response. I have a pair of belkins n52te that have lasted longer than any of the razer rehashed garbage. Premium pricing for premium garbage.
I use this baby as I have space issues as I game on a laptop. I do really like it with a couple of caveats. 1) yes the actuation points seem to close even when set as far apart as possible but if you choose key binds that are more synergistic it will really shine. Like one I set up with the stop staring a knee slide and the bottom to trigger a melee attack. It’s hard to hold the key at a higher activation so I recommend setting up combos that work together or just ignore that function. 2) the keys are susceptible to accidental triggering so I moved the first actuation down a bit to save on any fat finger typing issues 3) hand/palm rest is actually kind of slippery and I found that I kept moving around so I put a small strip of moleskin (material used to cover areas of a shoe that is rubbing) on the palm rest and it worked wonders. 4) yes the profiles can be a pain to work with. I currently have 5 set up ( destiny 2, Witcher 3, no man’s sky, Control, Homeworld remastered) so I have a small cheat sheet showing with profile is which so I can manually select. The synapse 3 is still kinda suspect and tends to forget its profiles. 5) setting up the key bindings can take time. I try to mirror other profiles to reduce constant muscle memory changes. 6) price is quite high..specially in Cdn$ but after a couple hundred hours with it I am loathe to go back to the laptop keyboard only.
I hope that the release of this Razer Tartarus Pro will inspire Logitech to get off their butts and finally re-release the Logitech G13 keyboard. Now that was and is an amazing keyboard for PC gaming. I still use it today for every PC game. Thumb to move and 4 fingers for abilities... WASD does not make sense after you use a macro keyboard with a joystick. If Logitech remakes the G13 with newer buttons and full RGB I think it would be a home run.
I do like their Pro keyboard. I like the clean sleek look of it, but I do agree other than basic visual changes and the RGB keys, they are really slacking. I think they put too much money into the Mouse and charging mouse pad... which is so expensive it did so poorly. Who knows... just going to cross fingers for a G13 since mine is starting to show it's age and the joystick is getting stuck. It is starting to affect my gaming and in turn my videos lolol.
@@donkeysunited oh I feel that completely I found out a few months ago and was shocked. I have had 2 over the years. Got my first one to play WoW Wrath of the Lich King. There was no going back to normal keyboards after it lol. Now I try my best to use it very carefully lolol. I even send out tweets to logitech from time to time asking them to bring it back.
@@FealtyGaming I remember using Bartender to mimic the G13 layout onscreen in WoW. Good times :) Now I won't play any game until I have set up the G13. As you say, I better look after it. It has served me incredibly well.
Gamesir has a great one with cherry switches and same layout as an actual keyboard so it's natural to use. Basically a half keyboard. Mine comes in two days.
@@gangatalishis I use Nostromo with HOTAS when playing E:D and some other games. So it's easier to switch left hand from throttle to the pad instead of reaching to main keyboard.
Why don't we get an analogue stick for movement yet?? That's the one thing mouse and keyboard easily loses in aside from portability. I hate toggling for different movement speeds, using WASD for driving in games that you are primarily on foot. Just think.. no longer using three fingers for WASD and only using your thumb for movement in a far superior input requiring your thumb which otherwise is only used for the spacebar.
When will there be a Tartarus with a real Analog Joystick. This will have the same high faliure probleme like me V2 because they use micro mouse switches for something it should not be used for.
I'd still buy a new G-13 over the Tartarus (and I have Razer mouse, keyboard, headset, mousepad....) - I just look at the shape of the Tartarus and think "no, that doesn't look right" plus it's 3 keys light. I play ArmA3, so the G-13 is fully loaded as it is, including the two buttons near the analog joystick. :) Fortunately my G-13 is still running like a champ!
I recently opened my G13 to clean it and replaced the joystick with one of my Logitech controller's analog joysticks. I understand, there's nothing like it.
@@jGRite I've heard a few people complain about the joystick, but I don't have any issues with it. Maybe my hand is just the perfect size for it, or something, but I control it fine with the edge of my thumb on top. :). Cool you were able to swap it out, though
It's just a slightly more updated version of it yes. I started with the N52 and have never gone back to WASD. It's much more intuitive for me. The Tartarus is very good, but honestly nothing much has changed since N52...other than more keys on the pad. An analog stick instead of D pad would be great though.
Upgraded from the V2, kind of missed the click at first but the more I use it the more I am enjoying it. It takes less "force" to press the keys down over the V2. Really wish they would update the orbweaver...but this will do for now.
I've owned the orbweaver for 5 years now. It seems that the construction and quality of this product pales in comparison. The fact you have way more adjustability in the orbweaver is huge.
Love my Orbweaver! I never understood removing a key just to incorporate a scroll wheel that isn't all that good anyway. Now if they put something like the weighted scroll wheel of a Logitech G502 that actually had some discernible tactile stops or could be unlocked for free spinning as well as incorporating some sort of on board hardware memory for storing profiles on the device, then I might consider upgrading. But as far as I'm concerned the entire Tatarus series is a downgrade from my 5 year old Orbweaver for these reasons and as you stated the adjust-ability of it.
Honestly Razer’s price are pretty competitive now. They price their products the same as their competitors. With the exception of the blade lineup, but I feel that’s justifiable given how well designed those laptops are
I liked the paddle spacebar from previous versions also previous versions had an adjustable wristrest that was sliding so you could get it just right instead of only 2 positions.
I have the Tartarus V2 and I love it. Love the wheel over the extra buttons on the other version, plus like the feel of those switches. Probably not worth the upgrade if you have the V2.
Thanks for making this video, it wasn't 3 weeks ago that I was super annoyed with Razer's decision to not release a Tartarus V2 with mechanical switches, instant buy for me, even at it's high price!
i was waiting for a new orbweaver, but since the tartarus now got linear switches ill go for that. i told them to make the best keypad and that i didnt care about the price :D
Isn't there already a mechanical variation of the Tartarus V2? At the Amazon page for it, there's a Mechanical keyboard option that costs something like $129.
So I understand the actuation points, but what about the release points like the Wooting keyboard's magnetic switches? Does this have the same capability to release the key as soon as it starts to travel upward?
I'll do you one better. I still use the old Belkin Nostromo's, the ones made before Razer bought it. I bought 6 of them when Belkin said that they weren't going to make them anymore and i got scared because i can't game without them...lol
I want them to make one with onboard memory and a swappable thumstick to switch between direction pad and regular thumstick. If a company can make a cross between this and an xbox elite controller that would be perfect.
would love to have heard how the keys sound , been trying to find a test of it everywhere but even razer themselves don't really state what switches are in it - all they say is that it's an analog optical switch . does this mean they're the red linear ones ? or some other type of optical switches ?
A benefit of WASD is that your pink can crouch with L shift and your thumb can jump with Space. With the Tartarus, joystick is controlled with the thumb, so what do you guys remap jump and/or crouch to? I mean, Space can still be jump, but that would mean taking your thumb off the joystick which would be fatal in competitive FPS.
We could really do with a full analogue joystick like we get on a ps4/Xbox controller, means we could move with just a thumb rather then using 4 fingers leaving them open for macros.
Can they make one of these with an actual fucking analog stick finally? I'm suck of everything having 8 way clicks instead of true analog. It's literally all I fucking want, without spending 450$ plus on an old Logitech g13 with membrane switches and a tiny analog surface. But hey, it has a real analog stick and there's a reason it sells for so much now. Just can't believe the only option we fucking have in 2023 is a shitty hori pad where the analog only works on controller mode, amd has a octagon ring around it ruining the feel while being a cheap pile of junk, or an azeron cyborg with a fantastic analog stick but it's 200+ dollars and has the weird flaps for buttons and I hate them. Seriously, I just fuckin want the tartarus pro with a real analog stick. That's it. That's all they gotta do, and I'll gladly throw money at them.
The one thing thats a no go for me is while there is a dedicated space bar key for thumb there is no crouch key for thumb. I do kinda want one for overwatch but I crouch spam alot and usually have it on my alt key.
Dunno why I watch this when I literally have 7 dollars and chewing gum in my wallet
I don't even have a wallet
Lmao I think whether or not you have the money it’s just fun to watch these reviews
And a paper clip! Don't forget the paper clip..
I feel you bro
I only have the chewing gum, but I think it's 8 months old
‘Razer’ and ‘competitive prices’ cant be used in the same sentence
Usually agreed, but their peripherals are competitive in price with the rest of the gaming peripherals. The viper wireless with the dock at 150$ matches the GPW launch retail price which has gone down due to being out for half a year.
I think you might be confusing "competitive" with "inexpensive". For example the Huntsman TE is about the same price as the G PRO. Definitely not cheap but no Razer tax.
@@HardwareCanucks for a product that is basically 1/3 of a keyboard with a Dpad I think the argument could easily be made for overpriced or low value.
@@HardwareCanucks true
There is no 'razer tax', the mere premise of a 'razer tax' is pre-historic at this point.
When the switches have two actuation points it would make much more sense to use tactile switches instead of linear switches. Only then you can really feel a difference between the two actuation points.
Just like camera triggers. Just a light press and the camera starts the autofocus. You press harder, feel a physical bump, and the camera takes the picture.
That works really well even though those triggers have only a travel distance of about a millimeter maximum. But it wouldn't work at all without that tactile feeling.
Doesn't really matter since the thumbstick wears out in like a month. Just check your local used electronics marketplace and there's a lot of these things with broken thumbstick and unresponsive keys.
I agree
Ironically only entry level cameras use two stage shutter buttons with a noticeable click. High end cameras just have squishy buttons and you have to muscle memory your way to knowing where the dual actuation is. I think it's stupid but it's also because in higher end photo work we normally use back button AF anyway so don't want the shutter having a click in the middle. I really wish they used an analogue shutter release that you could set to adjust your burst rate dynamically, the harder you push the faster the fps. My camera shoots up to 30fps in photos and it would be nice to gently push it for 1fps or fully depress for 30, and everything in between. Sorry for the tangent
I am so much addicted to watching Chris Pratt making tech videos.
Lol
Thanks you so much Dmitry. ❤️
Ankit Raj hehe
He looks like the fatrat (music artist)
Phris Crap
It's a shame they didn't give us an analog joystick.
Thats what literally everyone wants. So many people have asked for an analog joystick. Razer cant be so blind to this. Im sure they have seen the reviews.
@@ATGbandit and there's definitely a market for it: if you check Azeron's website you have to pay 285€ for priority right now, unless ofc you want to wait up to 180 days. That's just crazy and I really regret not picking one up when I had the chance.
Azeron = analog joystick, takes some getting used to but is amazing as long as RGB isn't your primary priority.
I've heard of the azeron. It looks amazing but I'd prefer a big brand company to make something like that so if I have problems I can return it. Or have it replaced. I don't want to wait months to get one. Have it break. And then be out of luck or have to wait a very long time for a replacement.
Again thats fucking bull shit I wanted them to make one with an analog like the azeron keypad but they always all out so I wanted a razer one but no analog what the fuck it will make gaming easier so u dont need 3 fingers to move just one
no built in memory for $129, i think i'll pass
Logitech G13 is so much better, to bad they stopped making it and it now costs $150 instead of the $70 it was on Amazon at one point.
Many times peripherals that needed software then to screw up because of their software bugs
it's not like your switching between random pcs all the time so it doesn't matter wht matters is the price which is pretty shitty compared to the v2
i dont want razer botnet synapse up while im doing things, thats why
@@Vorm17 Nah it is not
I’ve got the Tartarus v2 and I honestly couldn’t use a keyboard after having something this comfortable. Not sure it’s worth the upgrade but I’m very happy with the v2.
2024 and I see you did your years later?
@@decimated550 I actually stopped using the Tartarus very soon after making that comment because mine had a bug in it where the W key would just stop reading inputs for half a second at random. It was so bad and apparently it was a known issue with them so I threw it away and bought a Ducky keyboard. I'm still mad about it
@@TastyLemon123 oh really. W - that's an important key! i bought a 14.99 extra insurance/support on this thing, hoping that if it does something weird like that then i get a new one
@@decimated550 Yeah I can’t remember too good cause it was like 4 years ago but I believe when holding WASD it would sometimes stop reading the input, which made it completely unusable because you can’t have your keyboard just stop working in the middle of a game. It’s comfortable to use though and it’s small so you’ll have more mouse space on your desk. Hopefully they fixed that in future versions
@@TastyLemon123 maybe you got a bad batch, buy a new one, if you wait for black friday next month it might be selling for less than its ~70 price
Saw analog and got so excited they finally changed the d-pad to an analog stick...I was wrong...and sad now
RIP Logitech G13, right?
@@TheSmallChap... and saitek PZ31a
@@Latsu15 the only appeal of keypads because of the WASD fingers being able to be free with a joystick. This can still be done with this iPad but it's still not a joystick like the azeron style.
@@Latsu15 the only appeal for competitive are games that dont require WASD like League of legends. This thing is a game changer in League being able to have all this keybinds on the fly. F1-f5 keys are hard to reach
@@Latsu15 You're thumb gets 8 different inputs to use from the pad and one from the rest. Now, WASD takes away the added benefit of four of those.
Analogue removes a lot of versatility in terms of the number of inputs from the thumb (the rest button becomes less useful too), but you do get much better movement.
The best would probably be an analogue stick with an optional plastic guide for those who don't want to use the stick for movement.
Razer : we made our keypad analog guys !
Everyone : oh you finally ditched the camouflaged dpad ?
Razer : look at all those analog keys
Everyone : *visible anger*
“No profiles can be saved to it” okay I’m out. My pc has devolved into an rgb nightmare because I refuse to run bloatware.
rainbow puke you mean?
That's why I like Logitech peripherals. I haven't even installed their software on my fresh Windows installation, yet my mouse and headset are still on my custom profiles.
Same thing with the RGB on my Wraith Prism cooler. Case fans are controlled by a dumb controller wired into the reset button.
Winners don't use RGB.
I’d hardly call macro software bloatware, but ok my dude
That's why I switched to the Logitech G13
I love synapse
Especially when it forgets my chroma settings
Or when the lights turn on when the pc is on sleep mode
Or when the software refuses to open
I just want to know why it needs 5 instances of itself talking to everything that has ever connected to localhost... also... It would be nice if the RGB on my Deathadder elite would stop when I shut the computer down.. Or why it randomly log's itself out of synapse >.
I really hope more brands starts making keypads
Never heard of "Wooting", but cool, will check them out
Sooooo does someone have a patent on an ANALOG thumb stick or something??? wtf
They probably would need atleast a new mold or retool some stuff which would increase production cost. Razer is probably not interested investing too much money into such a rather niche product compared to their more mainstream stuff.
ikr
I'd rather they just have that thumbpad on their regular keyboards to be honest, like below the spacebar.
No, but if you want it there is Azeron
@@plasmaoctopus1728 sounds silly lol!
Anyways just go buy the Tac Pro If you want analog stick.
I like how he constantly says "it's the same" (as the older model) yet the price is way higher.
I have a feeling Razer is using PBT keycaps instead of their ABS one
It looks the same as the original
It’s worse than orbweaver which i got for 75$ and i paid full price for this 130$. thumbad is very badly positioned for midsize hand (18,5/11), keys stutter or keeps spamming after you don’t touch it, not ergonomic at all, no onboard memory, no click feels. Who haven’t tried orbweaver, they don’t know how bad this is.
Cristi Baltoi orbweaver is superior in regard to customization and mechanical response. fails cosmetically, but some actually like the bulky retro look it has
Thank you Dmitri for making these videos! It's been more than one and a half decade since I had a desktop, and wathcing your videos in the past few years, along with Linus's, Luke's, Jay's and Paul's is what gave me the knowledge and motivation to finally build one completely on my own. I just ordered the parts yesterday and can't wait to start.
Keep doing what you're doing!
Greetings from Hungary!
TT
Imagine not having hardware profiles in 2019
I mean, it doesn't matter much as Synapse is needed anyway
Cpt. Buli but synapse sucks, so it’d be nice to be able to just make your profiles on synapse and then delete it instead of constantly having it running all the time
@@squidwardstesticles5914 what do you have 3gb of ram?
Copernicus1n it’s not about the performance hit, it’s just because I don’t want to be forced to have a bunch of bloatware running all the time when it isn’t necessary, plus it’s nice to be able to use it on more than one computer without re-downloading synapse and making the profiles again
@@squidwardstesticles5914 I just installed it on a linear USB that I keep plugged in to my black widow elite
I got out razer because synapse failure drove me nuts
Which Synapse version did you use and when ?!
@@overgamer4162 likely was 2.0 now I'm roccat an steelseries. both do direct device saves with account syncs constantly
@@lordvolkharktheorginal now Synapse 3 is almost completely error-free, and all such programs beat with functionality and extension. My friend buy Logitech mouse week ago, download GHub and he say "OMG, This program is one big disaster i hate This. Synapse 3 is 3000 times better!"
@@overgamer4162 so far after 3 years of dealing with razer productions I've not missed the near constant information syncing (forced otherwise the device has malfunctions) it was that not updates or the camera failure the had with lie of omission that would do it's on back ground removal from "razer" software. to honest I didn't have to download the programming for my mouse it function great steel series programming only used to bring down sensitive on some games doesn't run in the background or need network access constantly. roccats never had it's programming for the keyboard its been amazing so I can't see a return if even this review it's saying the programming doesn't save on system an needs to run so sorry not a gain.
thank you for the conversation none the less this is a wonderful community
@@lordvolkharktheorginal never ever my Razer product was broken. My Razer Lancehead TE have 3 years old and still looks like new. This is one of many resons why I like Razer. Do you have any questions then go ahead 😅 Also thank you for this conversation.
I wish they make this for right hand. This half-keypad is more useful for productivity than gaming.
I'm currently use the Nostromo backward with my right hand for drawing's custom keyboard because I draw with my left hand.
As a cripple that uses a Naga + Stinkyboard to game this would be a dream come true...they make left-handed nagas but not right handed versions of this. I'd finally be able to play Street Fighter/Tekken as fighting games are only thing I can't enjoy playing.
I'm right handed, but I would love to just have one for each hand and just get rid of a standard keyboard. I already have a split keyboard, the Kinesis Freestyle Edge gaming keyboard, which is pretty great. But I just think thumbs are just so under-utilized by PC peripherals. Having used a Razer Orbweaver with my left hand for 5+ years now, that's all I really want. Two Orbweavers connected by a cord in the middle. There are other split keyboards like the Ergodox which do have more modifier thumb keys, but the Orbweaver with its directional pad and now this scroll wheel add so much more functionality. Razer is silly not to recognize that right-handed users would also purchase these products designed for left-handed use.
Thumbstick needs to be an analog stick.
Yeah its a goddamn thumbstick fsol
@@ifalm4274 Its not analog. Its digital. Fsol
Comment that on their ig so they can listen
Yes, please!!!
The 4 cheap ass two point micro switches of Razer's thumbstick are so cheap and uncommon on today's gaming gears,I had to order a bag of them directly from Shenzhen(which is about 0.05 USD per.Since obviously Razer can't afford to use the 0.1 USD 20M switches on the crucial part of a 199 USD gear) to repalce/solder them myself after my orbweaver chroma's thumbstick gives up after 13 months.I don't care if you using mechanical switches or god dam NASA switches for the keypads,If the thumbstick give up,that's the point?Shame on Razer to intentionally designed a weak point for the gears that were advertised on having better durability because of the use of mechanical switches on the keypad.
The Tartarus v2 has horrible ergonomics unless you have long fingers. The adjustable hand rest is to high up when moved forward for shorter fingers and makes it uncomfortable to get to the #20 key for spacebar usage. Then if you move it back to get to the 20 key and lower it due to being to high, you can not get to the top row of keys without picking up your hand and moving it. Thus you cant get to the top row and also reach the 20 key at the same time. That said I am not going to just complain without making some suggestions. Ship with an optional wrist rest that fits flush with the unit. As using the Tatarus without the wrist rest feels ergonomically better and also angle the top 2 rows of keys in a concave fashion back to the hand to make them easier to reach.
Would someone please compete with Razer in gaming keypads? Please?
check out AZERON
Logitech has one but its not very good.
I use a GeForce it’s really good
i really wish these bigger peripheral companies would make a gamepad with an actual thumbstick like the Azeron Gamepad
Just got my Azeron a few weeks ago its amazing all about function over form.
Knowing how Optical switches function to detect analogue input, I'm surprised that the OEM for these switches, a little-known Chinese company called Dongguan Mingjian, managed to integrate analogue functionality into their design. See, previously, Wooting's switch OEM, another Chinese company called Adomax, achieved analogue sensing in their optical switches through a very complicated reflecting lens system that bounced a light beam two times in such a way as to allow varying amounts of light to reach the sensor as u pressed the keys higher or lower. Mingjian's design is a simple one-way beam of light that simply gets blocked or unblocked as the key is pressed past the actuation point. That they somehow managed to make this far simpler mechanism work in an analogue way is quite amazing from a design standpoint.
Would of been good if it had 360 degree movement like azeron instead of 8 way directional pad.
Too bad logitech stop with the g13. If only they make an upgrade of the g13 it could be a competitor to razer gameboard
g4r15 so true, and the g13 layout is also compatible with either side usage which is great. And thus widens the market range, since some designers and digital illustrators (especially the one who are left handed) could make use of its macro ability.
+1 a G13 with mech keys is all we want.
Was thinking about buying a keypad for gaming and makros, but this is 4 years old and still not wireless, waiting for one to hopefully come in the future so i can finally buy one
I feel like tech TH-cam’s make the sneakiest product shoutouts
I'm pretty sure the reason why they don't have an analog stick on the Razer Tartarus Pro and V2 is so you can set it to different keys or functions but it would still be nice to have an interchangeable analog stick.
Steams controller config has been able to set analog stick directions as different keys for a looong time now. Razer is just dumb af.
Once they make this thing with internal memory, and wireless, it will be a huge game changer! Love the vid
and an analog stick
I'll jump on a wireless option for my couch gaming. Onboard keymap storage wouldn't be unappreciated, but I don't mind running Synapse 3 to handle all of my devices.
First thing to do is move the space bar from 20 to the profile switcher for me, just way more comfortable then I made 20 a "hold to swap maps" for macros galore. Tartarus is the best thing ever because of this lol
Still no Orbweaver v2 with the glue issues fixed? Shame, that's all I want.
Razer ... listening ? What you on man ?
The tatarus line is plagued with faulty d-pad switches. Their support is non existent at best, but mostly just insulting. The orbweaver would dissassemble itself after a year or so.. screws would become loose, and the double sided sticky tape keeping the rubber in place would break down and make a huge mess. Not to mention key coating that would wear off extremely quickly. Not even going to touch synapse v3. Are you a dev, and want to develop around some of the functionality that synapse provides, but need some clarification on function or feature ? A kind email to razer support will get you a canned 'go eff yourself' response. I have a pair of belkins n52te that have lasted longer than any of the razer rehashed garbage. Premium pricing for premium garbage.
nobiggeridiot Well yes but actually no
You sure you DID NOT throw your Orbweaver before it started to become loose?
I have my orb for 3 years and half, no loose screws or unglued pad, everything is fine. Stop using alcohol when cleaning it or try right handed.
Cristi Baltoi wait what do you use to clean it?
129 dollars. Yeah "competitive" price point. It competes against Apple.
You may have missed the "pulled a Razer" reference at 5:42. 👀😂
You look like Kim Jong un from afar
@@HardwareCanucks It feels like buying it for the Name.
@@TheWunder that's my brother from another side of korea.
@@francismcraymond2646 the North?
I use this baby as I have space issues as I game on a laptop. I do really like it with a couple of caveats.
1) yes the actuation points seem to close even when set as far apart as possible but if you choose key binds that are more synergistic it will really shine. Like one I set up with the stop staring a knee slide and the bottom to trigger a melee attack. It’s hard to hold the key at a higher activation so I recommend setting up combos that work together or just ignore that function.
2) the keys are susceptible to accidental triggering so I moved the first actuation down a bit to save on any fat finger typing issues
3) hand/palm rest is actually kind of slippery and I found that I kept moving around so I put a small strip of moleskin (material used to cover areas of a shoe that is rubbing) on the palm rest and it worked wonders.
4) yes the profiles can be a pain to work with. I currently have 5 set up ( destiny 2, Witcher 3, no man’s sky, Control, Homeworld remastered) so I have a small cheat sheet showing with profile is which so I can manually select. The synapse 3 is still kinda suspect and tends to forget its profiles.
5) setting up the key bindings can take time. I try to mirror other profiles to reduce constant muscle memory changes.
6) price is quite high..specially in Cdn$ but after a couple hundred hours with it I am loathe to go back to the laptop keyboard only.
Over 100 dollars and they didnt include onboard memory? I'll hold off for now. Kind of a bummer.
same here as soon as he mentioned the price I was like no thanks, I do have the old v2 and i do love it and not to mention cheaper
I hope that the release of this Razer Tartarus Pro will inspire Logitech to get off their butts and finally re-release the Logitech G13 keyboard. Now that was and is an amazing keyboard for PC gaming. I still use it today for every PC game. Thumb to move and 4 fingers for abilities... WASD does not make sense after you use a macro keyboard with a joystick. If Logitech remakes the G13 with newer buttons and full RGB I think it would be a home run.
They seem to be too busy rehashing* their existing products.
*a.k.a. not really making significantly better or different
I do like their Pro keyboard. I like the clean sleek look of it, but I do agree other than basic visual changes and the RGB keys, they are really slacking. I think they put too much money into the Mouse and charging mouse pad... which is so expensive it did so poorly. Who knows... just going to cross fingers for a G13 since mine is starting to show it's age and the joystick is getting stuck. It is starting to affect my gaming and in turn my videos lolol.
I love my G13. I've had it about 10 years and it's rock solid. Sad to hear it's been discontinued as it's the only replacement I'd want.
@@donkeysunited oh I feel that completely I found out a few months ago and was shocked. I have had 2 over the years. Got my first one to play WoW Wrath of the Lich King. There was no going back to normal keyboards after it lol. Now I try my best to use it very carefully lolol. I even send out tweets to logitech from time to time asking them to bring it back.
@@FealtyGaming I remember using Bartender to mimic the G13 layout onscreen in WoW. Good times :) Now I won't play any game until I have set up the G13. As you say, I better look after it. It has served me incredibly well.
regardless of the brand, when some1 makes a good left handed pad, i will buy it.
Tim Souza Azeron makes a left handed pad
brachus12 unfortunately, it's not spread evenly worldwide so it's not getting into consideration.
Gamesir has a great one with cherry switches and same layout as an actual keyboard so it's natural to use. Basically a half keyboard. Mine comes in two days.
YummierMussel but only usable comfortably with your left hand 🤷♂️
can u use the "change profile" key as a spacebar key?
Vangy Economou yes you can
They still make these? Used to be a thing in early wow days.
only use i see for it is if you have a gaming laptop or want to minimize as much desk space as possible. It has its uses, but its very niche.
@@gangatalishis I use Nostromo with HOTAS when playing E:D and some other games. So it's easier to switch left hand from throttle to the pad instead of reaching to main keyboard.
@@gangatalishis You have never played old mmorpg it seems.
@@Pienimusta no but if you are talking about games lime WoW they have a mouse built specifically for that (naga I think)
I can see uses in Star Citizen. Unfortunately the Amazon link he provided to the UK is not available and with no restock date!
Why don't we get an analogue stick for movement yet?? That's the one thing mouse and keyboard easily loses in aside from portability. I hate toggling for different movement speeds, using WASD for driving in games that you are primarily on foot. Just think.. no longer using three fingers for WASD and only using your thumb for movement in a far superior input requiring your thumb which otherwise is only used for the spacebar.
When will there be a Tartarus with a real Analog Joystick. This will have the same high faliure probleme like me V2 because they use micro mouse switches for something it should not be used for.
No one wants analogic stick, ok let me correct it, no one smart and competitive. Go buy the G13.
Have mine almost two years now ... No problems so far and still looks new (minus some dust) even though I constantly game on it.
I've been waiting for a Logitech to remake the g13, but they might be too late.
I'd still buy a new G-13 over the Tartarus (and I have Razer mouse, keyboard, headset, mousepad....) - I just look at the shape of the Tartarus and think "no, that doesn't look right" plus it's 3 keys light. I play ArmA3, so the G-13 is fully loaded as it is, including the two buttons near the analog joystick. :) Fortunately my G-13 is still running like a champ!
I recently opened my G13 to clean it and replaced the joystick with one of my Logitech controller's analog joysticks. I understand, there's nothing like it.
@@jGRite I've heard a few people complain about the joystick, but I don't have any issues with it. Maybe my hand is just the perfect size for it, or something, but I control it fine with the edge of my thumb on top. :). Cool you were able to swap it out, though
The analog stick do you use that to move around or do you still use the keys ???
20 keys * 2 actuation points * 8 profiles = 320 macro keys!!!🤯 Taran has entered the chat
Same exact thoughts.
Don't forget hypershift
He stated he didn't like these because their price per key is too expensive
Gabe54432 especially now that he has the Streamdeck from Elgato that basically has infinite macros
Qiaoyu Zhang 😂 lol
There’s two types of gamers. Those who buy razer. And those who don’t want to pay the money and complain about razer’s prices
Reminds me of the Belkin Nostromo N52 15 Years ago. I bought one at this time.
Same. Very little changed it seems.
It's just a slightly more updated version of it yes. I started with the N52 and have never gone back to WASD. It's much more intuitive for me. The Tartarus is very good, but honestly nothing much has changed since N52...other than more keys on the pad. An analog stick instead of D pad would be great though.
Upgraded from the V2, kind of missed the click at first but the more I use it the more I am enjoying it. It takes less "force" to press the keys down over the V2. Really wish they would update the orbweaver...but this will do for now.
I've owned the orbweaver for 5 years now. It seems that the construction and quality of this product pales in comparison. The fact you have way more adjustability in the orbweaver is huge.
Love my Orbweaver! I never understood removing a key just to incorporate a scroll wheel that isn't all that good anyway. Now if they put something like the weighted scroll wheel of a Logitech G502 that actually had some discernible tactile stops or could be unlocked for free spinning as well as incorporating some sort of on board hardware memory for storing profiles on the device, then I might consider upgrading. But as far as I'm concerned the entire Tatarus series is a downgrade from my 5 year old Orbweaver for these reasons and as you stated the adjust-ability of it.
video starts at 1:30
I still own and love my G13, thank you very much :)
@@Mr_Spock512 yeah me too probably around that same time as well, it works perfectly. :)
Same same duct tape and all still going strong 😅
@@somemadcaaant poor thing xD mine is in one piece :D
Loved this review. Honest, informative and no filler commentary.
Honestly Razer’s price are pretty competitive now. They price their products the same as their competitors.
With the exception of the blade lineup, but I feel that’s justifiable given how well designed those laptops are
I hope manufacturer's realize that more people wants a low profile gaming laptop so Razer will have competition.
I liked the paddle spacebar from previous versions also previous versions had an adjustable wristrest that was sliding so you could get it just right instead of only 2 positions.
I feel the orbweaver is better value for the money
$129 puts it at the same price as the Orbweaver without the the added adjust-ability for hand comfort.
Can the springs in these be swapped out? Would love it if the weight of my finger alone would be enough to keep it pressed down
Still wanting a joystick instead of a D-pad
I have the Tartarus V2 and I love it. Love the wheel over the extra buttons on the other version, plus like the feel of those switches. Probably not worth the upgrade if you have the V2.
Thanks for making this video, it wasn't 3 weeks ago that I was super annoyed with Razer's decision to not release a Tartarus V2 with mechanical switches, instant buy for me, even at it's high price!
i was waiting for a new orbweaver, but since the tartarus now got linear switches ill go for that. i told them to make the best keypad and that i didnt care about the price :D
Isn't there already a mechanical variation of the Tartarus V2? At the Amazon page for it, there's a Mechanical keyboard option that costs something like $129.
@@Abpcdkahsk yes the tartarus pro. it just came out
So I understand the actuation points, but what about the release points like the Wooting keyboard's magnetic switches? Does this have the same capability to release the key as soon as it starts to travel upward?
I've had my Razer nostromo for around 8 years now still going strong.
It's worn so much the caps are white :D I may need to pick one of these up soon.
I'll do you one better. I still use the old Belkin Nostromo's, the ones made before Razer bought it. I bought 6 of them when Belkin said that they weren't going to make them anymore and i got scared because i can't game without them...lol
I've been waiting for this for a long time. I've been talking about needing analogue switches forever. Now mouse and keyboard controls are perfect.
I can already feel my thumb strains just by looking at that over-reaching space button.
agree
Thanks! This is the best guide on youtube for the tartarus
Disappointed in Razer, still no toaster.
I love my Nostromo that I've had since 2012.
Compared my n52 to my orbweaver, the memrane keys feels awkward. Other then that still a great keypad and still works fine.
Question for Razer:
Is it compatible on Linux?
Synapse 3 work only with Windows at this moment
I want them to make one with onboard memory and a swappable thumstick to switch between direction pad and regular thumstick. If a company can make a cross between this and an xbox elite controller that would be perfect.
What is that gadget your mouse plugged into at 2:44 ??
This almost as much as the huntsman, great product but can’t justify the price
Not saving profiles on the device is a deal breaker. What year is this?
Tartarus is a biblical term, a place of suffering
Yes Dense Darkness to be exact.
What is the purpose of the D-pad? Is it used for aiming?
Still enjoying my G-13. :)
And me my two pz31a :)
Fuccccck I wish they were still available
And unmentioned in the video: they only make a left-hand version - and not a mirrored one for the right hand.
Next razer product: 1 key keyboard
Key: F
Osu
They already have that actually, its a mechanical switch keychain.
Ducky already owns this market
would love to have heard how the keys sound , been trying to find a test of it everywhere but even razer themselves don't really state what switches are in it - all they say is that it's an analog optical switch . does this mean they're the red linear ones ? or some other type of optical switches ?
Watch the German review from gamers gear, they introduce the key sounds in the vid
Dear Tech Lord, please make Logitech update my G13 I have been a good boy this year and no one seems to be making Keypads that are good. Amen
Look up the FFXIV Hori gamepad, pretty sure its an updated G13. hard to get right now but i think it has promise
What's the likelihood of this working smoothly with the new consoles 5/X/S?
2:05 "gay-pad" lmao
A benefit of WASD is that your pink can crouch with L shift and your thumb can jump with Space. With the Tartarus, joystick is controlled with the thumb, so what do you guys remap jump and/or crouch to? I mean, Space can still be jump, but that would mean taking your thumb off the joystick which would be fatal in competitive FPS.
This man look like star lord from guardian of galaxy
What about the keycapd material? Is it still catching skin oils after a while of youse?
anyone heard 'gaypad' on 2:05?
I heard gamepad
Caption says: gamepad
I think you’re just hearing what you want to hear...
so could you use the joystick to reokace wasd, and use those binds for other things?
such a garbage design compaired to the logitech g13
We could really do with a full analogue joystick like we get on a ps4/Xbox controller, means we could move with just a thumb rather then using 4 fingers leaving them open for macros.
Is the joystick an analog like on a console or is it more of a d-pad?
Can they make one of these with an actual fucking analog stick finally? I'm suck of everything having 8 way clicks instead of true analog. It's literally all I fucking want, without spending 450$ plus on an old Logitech g13 with membrane switches and a tiny analog surface. But hey, it has a real analog stick and there's a reason it sells for so much now. Just can't believe the only option we fucking have in 2023 is a shitty hori pad where the analog only works on controller mode, amd has a octagon ring around it ruining the feel while being a cheap pile of junk, or an azeron cyborg with a fantastic analog stick but it's 200+ dollars and has the weird flaps for buttons and I hate them. Seriously, I just fuckin want the tartarus pro with a real analog stick. That's it. That's all they gotta do, and I'll gladly throw money at them.
best thing ever for gaming once your used to it, you can never go back to a keyboard.
Is this device recognized in razer synapse 2. I am using a Mac, and my main purpose is using macros for editing.
at this price point, why should i get it over a wooting?
What’s the use of joystick if you’re using the mouse at the same time?
Move with joystick; look with mouse.
Did they fix the sticky keys issue already?
The one thing thats a no go for me is while there is a dedicated space bar key for thumb there is no crouch key for thumb. I do kinda want one for overwatch but I crouch spam alot and usually have it on my alt key.
Can you add delays in the macros?
Is this usable on the Xbox?
Can you use the analog for movement like you can on a controller?
What do you guys generally use the tthumb stick for during games?
when will they make this for right hand use...
im not gonna purchase it but the double actuation design absolutely blew my mind omg thats so fackinnnnnng cooooool