Found this when looking into these keypads as a partial replacement for my gaming laptop with some of its keys being iffy. I love how you got straight to the point about the V2 vs the Pro, the explanation about the keys is exactly what I've been trying to figure out. Thank you 👍
I absolutely love your review style...just a straight shooter, no bullshit. You state your opinion and make it VERY clear, and that is extremely useful. Thanks man.
I'm watching this in October 2024, because my Orbweaver Chroma which I have used since 2015 is up for replacement...I think. The amount of use this gamepad have endured is evident by the worn surface of the WASD key caps and the melted glue under the palmrest padding which I had to completely remove. I love my brand new wireless gaming keyboard, but my Orbweaver is way more ergonomic, and the 9 years of muscle memory I established with this peripheral is undeniably effective. Today, my "W" key stopped responding, and needless to say panic ensued. It worked again after popping out the key and blowing some compressed air into the area. I'm going to see if I can just replace the keys, if there's nothing to upgrade to at this point.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial Hey, I'm an xbox player and don't know much about keyboards. Is there any half keyboard that you think an xbox player would feel more comfortable with if they switched to a keyboard?
Found the Orbweaver to be very delicate - found the palm rest would split (have owned 3 and all have had this happen, and have tried different heights and angles). I also found that after a year or so, the rubber pads would start to slide off as the glue would soften after hours of gaming. Worst of all, the keycaps became really loose to the point that they would fly off in games that required lots of WASD movement - I play a LOT of COD and this would happen all the time, especially in Warzone or largescale multiplayer modes. Its a good keypad but it could be soooo much better
9:07 The audacity of saying optical mechanical keys aren’t even accurate like DUDE THATS THE ENTIRE SELLING POINT OF IT gaming mouses use optical mechanical switches nowadays and they’re accurate as fuck idk what are you talking about Just say that you hate linear feel of it but don’t you dare spread misinformation about something just coz you don’t like the “feel” of it.
Dude, lol He's correct. The optical switches in the Pro are utter garbage. Go read/watch actual *real* reviews where they actually take the time to review the product instead of being some consooomer TH-cam-bro who will shill anything for a click and a view. The switches have, at best, 1.5mm of actual measured analog travel. What you would expect from the switch is a linear line from first press to full extension over the 4mm travel of the key. You don't get that. And even if it did, only having 4 millimeters of travel for analog movement is next to worthless, but again you don't even get that much, you get on average just over 1mm to just under 2mm. That's about 1/16 of an inch of actual analog travel. You get on average a 1/16th of an inch to use for "more control" over your standard keyboard basic on/off switch. Imagine if your Xbox/Playstation controller's analog sticks had 1.5mm/1/16th" of deflection from center to furthest throw giving you a total of 3mm or 1/8th an inch total deflection from full left to full right or full up to full down. You'd use it for one second and immediately box it up and go return it for a refund saying it was terrible. Throw on the terrible QA and the rate at which these things seem to break or develop issues with use and it's beyond laughable for the price, and next to worthless if you are using it for its analog function and not just as another keyboard. But go on, keep talking about "misinformation" and having zero understanding of anything other than what the company's advertisements tell you.
@thatoneguy9659 my pro just broke on me. Lasted 3 years and am happy with it, just now trying to decide between V2 and Pro. I havnt tried V2, just don't know if the Pro is worth double the price.
Just got it aswell, keys absolutely feel good. Though I wish there was a click somewhere halfway through to have a better feeling for the primary and secondary key bind. Regardless it's a great keypad
Love your info, correction to the beginning... The Nostromo N52 came out in 2001 and then in 2010 Razer and Belkin released it's successor. That N52 was amazing back in the day. Loved mine.
Thanks for the review you just telling me how satisfying the v2s buttons are made my mind up right away can’t wait to try them out ordering it on Monday
Its like the Tartarus is the big brother to the Nostromo. I loved the Nostromo back in the day. The resemblance is insane, they brought back the d-pad with the round button above it, and the scroll wheel on the keypad itself. They just pulled an old Nostromo out of the closet added 5 buttons across the top gave it RGB lighting and BOOM. Tartarus is born. Thanks for the video man helped me out. I ordered the V2.
Hey man. Thanks for the video! In the future, adding some nice B-roll of the products when talking about their appearance would bring your video to the next level.
10:00 Yeah I was thinking when I read about the analog switches that it just doesn't sound super useful? Like I can imagine where you could get use out of it but I can't imagine situations where I need one key to be two presses depending on how far down it goes. Other than maybe W being walk and run? Was just curious on how the keys themselves felt compared to the V2. I'm not crazy about the V2 keys either. I wish Razer would make another fully mechanical keypad again. I love the purple switches in the Huntsman.
Great reviews. I had an orbweaver chroma that just failed (palm pad glue leaked and peeled off and a switch failed) so I bought the Tartarus V2. Waiting for it to be delivered.
@@midnyte_tv I don't think they're worth too much if they're sold for parts although I've seen well used ones that still works for around $30 to near mint condition for $70 and up. A lot of people nowadays wouldn't want the hassle to replace a broken switch on a mouse or keyboard so they buy a new one. I had mine for around 7 years and I'm surprised only the spacebar is broken lol Might as well repair it since it's been going for this long :)
Best review of these items i've seen so far! I love the comparison and especially the feel of the keys. Surely everyone who watches a review of one of these keypads know what they are for, I like that you focus on the keypress (which is important to me!). I've had a Belkin Nostromo and a couple of the later releases of it them since they came out but want something with RGB so I can light the keys that are mapped per game, and was debating whether to get the pro or v2, and seeing the key press for the pro, that's a big no for me! Thanks for the awesome content!
I'm using the V2 I won on a Goodwill Auction for $20. Works completely, even the D-pad! The black with red backlight matches my aesthetic setup. I use it to tank on WoW along with my aging Logitech G600 I bought new when Logitech released them years back. Nearly everything is mappable with Bartender addon for both the V2 and the G600. Have a Razer Blackwidow Mini Hyperspeed as my keyboard since it's wireless and can sit wherever, since I only use it for typing now. Learning how to set both the V2 and G600 up is a huge time sink by the way. Best I can tell you is setup a basic keymap in the V2 and G600 (or other MMO mouse) on a new character and adjust/modify inputs while leveling it. The change from being a clicker back in original Vanilla, to a macro/hotkey/mouse key movement in original TBC/WotLK (been unbound from WASD since then), and then moving to this setup recently in TWW definitely takes some getting used to, but so worth the change for Mythics/Raiding! I would highly recommend a TKL wireless keyboard (with an off switch) for desktop space, so you can put it aside anywhere and not worry about battery life or cord really. If you want a thumbstick over D-pad, you'll be shelling out an extra $100 over the V2 for the Azeron Cyborg (which can be ordered for left or right handed) on Amazon. Just my input on using a gamepad over a keyboard for MMO/FPS (Halo and CoD) games are such a gameplay style change and could bring out more potential out of what you can achieve, so long as you commit to the initial setup.
I have the Tartarus pro in the mail. I own both the orbweaver and the Tartarus v2, both space bar buttons failed on them. I loved the orbweaver. I’m hoping the pro will last longer. Great review!
LOL I had no idea the Orbweaver was the TOTL model and that it was adjustable… Was about to sell it because I didn’t really use it, now I’m using it all the time. :)
Around here the v2 goes for around $100, as the pro version is atrociously $180. I found a used Orbweaver for $20 on Marketplace and this video was the confirmation I needed, thanks!
Respect honest opinion on any item, BUT to be honest, you can't say to someone that the analog switches are trash. They might be trash to one, but not to everyone. These type of things are subjective. It's always dependent on the individual. But I do agree on the value topic. For $40 more for the pro, you don't get much added upgrade or bonus included to make the $40 valid. But all in all, I respect your opinions and for the most part, awesome comparisons.
I've been using the Razer Orbweaver for about 7 or so years and I'm sad that they discontinued the Orbweaver. The mechanical switches were one of the reasons why I chose it over others. I still got a Orbweaver Chroma stored away as a back up though.
i have a question about the orbweavers 8 way button. it seems like too many options on one button. do you missclick with it a lot? Does the button have a feel of an analog joystick on a gamepad or does it have more of a pushback response of the 4 way D-pad on a gamepad?
@@devalue7064 I very rarely use that button but the button would feel more like a 4 way D-pad than joystick. It's feels almost like a 8 way mouse button
I just saw in a different review that the joystick isn't functioning as joystick, rather a 4-way button, and the only advantage vs wasd is that you only need your thumb?
Thanks for the review! Is that a concrete desk?! It looks awesome, did you buy it, made it yourself, have you got a video talking about it? Thanks again.
2:40 Good review thank you and it's pushing me to buy the V2 over the others, but some of us are watching these videos while driving or rather we are listening to them and so when you are referring to three different ones using the words this one that one and that one we aren't exactly sure what you're referring to so if you just say it out loud that'll mean that people driving and wanting to catch up on tech news and wondering about buying choices as we drive to the mall lol or to Best buy, we can be exactly sure.
I love my Orbweaver Chroma.. Wish Razer would just update it already. A wireless one would be awesome, especially with the Optomechanical switches. I have the Basilisk Ultimate which I love as well on my laptop. A wireless one handed mechanical keypad is all that's missing.. I've had my Orbweaver for years, holding up great all except for the rubber pad is all gooey. Probably need to peel it off, and cut out a replacement from some better material. Maybe some pleather and foam, dunno. Unfortunately the whole one handed keyboards market, is a niche market, so it doesn't get much love. The Orbweaver Chroma was by far the best product available in this market until they discontinued it quite awhile back.. I've searched and searched and can't find anything else even remotely similar. Mine is the Stealth Chroma version with the linear mechanical keys. Tried out the Tartarus V2 at a Best Buy, and didn't like the key feel or the ergonomics for my hands. Sadly there's not much I can do except hope and wait.. On a side note, Razer Synapse 2 sucks.. I may have to look up a stable version, but my Orbweaver is unbearable now do to the crappy software.. I'll often times be moving about in game and my keys would get stuck, or unresponsive in the software. Turn Synapse off though, and it works perfectly fine, just without custom key profiles.. I'm getting tired of companies putting out great hardware, but shitty buggy software. /sad_and_frustrated_face
8:22 LOL! I bought a pro last night, and this is exactly how i felt! The keys were just too stiff for me, and it just required too much force to press, which hinders my maneuvering in game. I am so glad I kept it intact, and kept the receipt. I am taking it back to the store today to trade in for the v2, and get about $50 back! I used a Logitech G13, and it's failing me. One of the thumb buttons stopped working, and one of my WASD keys is intermittent. I waited forever for Logitech to come through with something new, but I waited too long, so I decided to check out Razer. I loved my G13, especially for playing Elite: Dangerous, but I have to move on
@@DJESHGAMING returned? No. v2 worked so much better for me, hardly any resistance vs the pro. This is my personal experience with both devices, I've seen other videos of people giving the same feedback..
I’m looking for any keypad that can be remapped and that I can take to work and works with that mapped without any software, like with an onboard memory because I can not install any software at work ! Any suggestions? I got the tartarous but it need the software to load the profiles. I don’t need any macros just change the basic set up
i have a question about trhe RAZER TARTARUS CHROMA. is it easy to misclick on the 8way button? Does the button have a feel of an analog joystick on a gamepad or does it have more of a pushback response of the 4 way D-pad on a gamepad?
Great video. Looking to finally replace my Belkin Nostromo n52te and it seems like Belkin design was bought by Razer some time ago. Had the original n52 in 2008, so they ahve been around for a good while. :) V2 seems like the way to go for now.
I have Logitech N52e and G13 and I am searching for a replacement for the last one. Do the razer version have a joystick or is just a keypad controller? thanks
I have the Orbweaver (With silent Brown Switches) and it is good but the Synapse 2 software really SUCKS and it takes forever to get running at startup. Also, the wrist pad adhesive softens after time and it keeps sloshing off, very annoying. might upgrade to the V2 at some point and sell off the Orbweaver.
Thanks for this! my Logitech G13 is by far the best IMO, but the button by the joystick is flacking out and they stopped making them =( . Looking for one of these 3. Prolly gonna go try the v2 today !
Have you actually played with all three? I’m sorry if I missed that. Cause they love the pro better than v2 because of the buttons. They say the buttons don’t work for v2 after not to long of gaming.
Yes I have individual reviews for each, if they aren’t linked in the description below, then I will add that now. I got to keep in mind. This is a very old video, and I wasn’t very good with descriptions then.
Nice no bullshit review, V2 it is because of the switches. Excellent breakdown. On another note, when your girl comes in with her toy, you don't send her away. You drop everything and go play with her.
just moved from Orbweaver to v2, button 20/spacebar feels awful on the v2 imo... I realize some people use that button as their profile changer so you might want to make it more difficult to accidentally press, but with respect to how your thumb is positioned it feels like it takes way more pressure than should be necessary to activate, rest of the buttons feel all good though and the wrist rest feels really nice when resting my hand on the device. Prob will try the Pro for the different actuation points.
Great review!!! I have the orbweaver chroma it comes with razer green switches. you sold me on the v2. I HATE razer synapse I cant get legacy to run well with new synapse. I've used legacy for years no problems and bought a new mouse and now legacy freezes all the time. if I uninstall new synapse problem solved. so long story short I'm buying a tartarus v2 and getting rid of legacy. Thanks for review!!!
I was looking for a decent review of these gaming keypads, so thanks for this. Years back I had a G15/19 and a G13 keypad but like many things Logitech of that era build quality was extremely hit or miss and they just did not last. Seeing what those old G series keyboards sell for even used nowadays I feel sorry for anyone paying that. I know you said people mainly look at these for FPS/MMO use, but I know myself and a lot of others that do a lot of simulator gaming mainly use gaming keypads for their flight sims and games like Elite Dangerous/Star Citizen, etc. These things are perfect for use with a HOTAS setup. Instead of trying to find room for a full size keyboard in your setup, having to buy a desk with a keyboard slider or buying a bolt-on slider, or having a huge keyboard in between your stick and throttle, these are perfect to have sit in between your stick/throttle, or even small enough to mount next to your throttle if using a HOTAS mount for a cockpit chair setup. These have a small footprint, a large amount of keys for mapping, they're ergonomic and easy to find "blind" with your hands while wearing a VR headset, and also having another analog control wheel and a thumbstick on top of it, it's just perfect addition for flight sims and space genre games. I got back into sim gaming and was looking for one to replace my old G13 from long ago, and this helped me out. I just hope Razer built these half decent and didn't build them to break every other year so you keep buying one. It just sucks Razer are pretty much the only people on the market making these and there isn't any competition pushing for better versions and better prices.
I just ordered a Quest 2 headset for PCVR and looking for exactly what you describe - something I can find blind to go with a HOTAS or mouse (depending what I'm playing, e.g. Elite Dangerous!) After this review, I think I've decided on the V2. Love your username btw, it's one of my favourite terms (along with fremdscham)
@@Karlosovic77 Thanks! Hope it works out for you. I bought my V2 a day or so after I watched this originally and it's still going strong so it's held up to general VR use for sim gaming pretty well so far. I still do stick by wishing there were more companies out there making these to help drive costs down more, as Razer pretty much has a hold on the market with these and can charge whatever.
I've been rocking the razer nostromo for I can't even remember how long now but its the best peripheral I've ever bought for my pc I straight up have a hard time playing with a keyboard now only down side compared to these is it only has 3 rows of keys but I works great definitely recommend
Oh I was thinking about the pro but I think they're trying to do too much with two-step keys, and if you don't like it then I don't like it I do like that tank tank cling cling of the clickety clack keys
thank you for the review, my plans was to buy the pro version mainly for productivity macros, but on your video I can really see that the double functions just does not work, the switches look pretty awful, I will pick up the V2 version and we will see
Thanks for saving me money. I have an option to buy a new full price Tartarus Pro or a repacked Orbweaver Chroma for a half price. Going for Orbweaver of course. I was in doubt abou the optic sensors, since Razer here in Brazil is extremely expensive, but I don't have any other 'one hand' options with reliable macros.
idk man, I bought the V2 to hopefully replace my orbweaver chroma once the thumb stick gives out, I've got it tried it and do not enjoy the scroll wheel in the orbweavers 20 spot. Also the click is way to high and overkill if you are on open coms /streaming. I ended up purchasing a newer orbweaver for 140 which is pricy but not an issue.
I am new to gaming I love the old retro Command and Conquer Red Alert and now I have discovered Sniper Elite 4 and 5 witch I like playing via the hand held controller. I have just decided to take on an other game type of experience Sea of Thieves it looks like a fun game but it has complexity that requires many butters and key board and mouse seems much better. But keyboard and mouse can not replicate the hand held controller stick and aim and shoot with your for fingers. So that's why I am looking at Razer Tartarus. If there is a left and a right Razer Tartarus you could have the best of both worlds. Move and shoot like a hand held controller and also have ease of movement for the working option key buttons. It seems a no brainer why not blend the best of both mechanisms into one duel hand operated operating system.
Best Review on youtube for this product. I had a pro and i feel exactly how you descibe, this analog switchs are anoying and feels bad when pressing. I prefer a tatical switchs like blue or brown. Based on you rewiew i ordered a V2. I expect this membrane switchs feels good as a real mechanical or similar. Thank you so much
If you're used to using a mouse then it will be difficult, but very possible, My friend lost his arm, and plays with Tartarus V2, he aims with the thumb stick.
I do not recommend the orb Weaver, I had a chroma when launched and a few months later began to present problems ... Pads have gone off, keys stop working... The keyboard was really amazing and it was the best gaming experience I've ever had but the overall quality of the product was terrible
best review so far. ... but you totally bombed showing the game play.. we want to see how your hand and fingers react while your playing... show the device during game play... not your face...
Have you tried to set a standard for button layout? You should have the option to do it automatically or manually if one wishes. It's amazing how boring, frustrating, and useless it is to configure what each key does per game or software (and you could even use it to work if you could only change those keycaps), that's why people stop using them. The Hori Tactical Assault Commander Pro did it, but the Razer gaming keyboard is more comfortable. I think the worst thing is wasting time programming and configuring everything for each game and software. If you make a "standard like controller" for the button layout, then you just have to copy and paste what the Xbox controller or PS controller does. For example, if the Razer 05 is X/A, then the Razer 04 is the circle/B and I don't know, maybe paint the symbol on the keycap with liquid paper, then it shouldn't be so bad to be able to use it regularly. I don't know when Razer will think more and make an Excel layout or better use standard Cherry MX keycaps just by making a inclined circuit board with a simple flex connector to maintain the inclined shape of the keys. In that way you could have A, B, X, Y and M1, M2 for macros. That please add real sticks like the ones on the Xbox/PS or do a 4-way arrows, 8-ways arrow interchangeable module or a "push button analog stick" like Thrustmaster ESWP Pro Controller did. I mean that Razer finally made analog buttons with the Razer Tartarus Pro (but they don't work well either because it doesn't recognize the height at which it is pressed well) it could even make the second function be with a little bump. I don't know why any company hasn't made it yet, no one has done a good job yet. Razer Tartarus has a good palm rest, but some prefer the Orbweaver palm rest, so you better stop making two types of products, just make one interchangeable. The same goes for the wheel that some love and some hate. Just a button above the arrows? Put two as start and select like controllers. Someone must do it more logically. The only reason why the gaming keypad or gamepad is useful is to reduce hand movements and to be faster by giving you the ability to use a real mouse to be more precise and faster. And if you want to keep the analog pedals that the controllers have for firing, maybe think of an analog click mouse. That's all it takes to create an awesome, useful, and necessary gaming keyboard or gaming controller (it doesn't even have a name of its own). If anyone reads this, please submit these ideas to Razer, Corsair, Logitech, Thrustmaster, or Hori.
the way u quickly described the logitec onehand keybord in the beginning of the vid had me sold on it with out even seeing it back in the day i thought finger banging my prom date was the bees knees if someone's legal age prom date came to me now and sad fingerbang me i would probably have a blast still great review BTW and u funny
Do not buy this product! Its unusable right now. Razer didnt fix the sticky-key-problem since over a year now. Its a software issue with synapse 3. Your character will walk in one direction every now and then untill you tab this direction key again. Its totally unusable for any gamer and a shame for this company, that they didnt solve this issue since over a year for a product worth over 130$/150€...
What problems are you referring to? I’ve got pretty much a full razor setup in the last 12months and I haven’t come across any issues. I’m a pretty basic user though,,, just curious at what sort of issues I should be looking out for.
As the owner of several Orbweavers, I can say they are phenomenal except for the spacebar that frequently goes out. (which is why I've owned 4). The best thing I can say though is that if your a new gamer looking for a keypad, stay away from Razer. Although they make good keypads, they will do something as dumb as discontinuing the orbweaver. So if your used to a certain layout, now you have to relearn playing games without that extra key you had things bound to. And they replace it with a scroll wheel. Yeah, I cant tell you how many times I've been gaming and thought, I could really use an extra scroll wheel. And if you think this is a one time change, its not. They used to make the Razer Nostromo which had the stupid thumb wheel before they came out with the orbweaver. So they will change your layout, discontinue, and stop supporting whichever you get used to. Morons.
Found this when looking into these keypads as a partial replacement for my gaming laptop with some of its keys being iffy. I love how you got straight to the point about the V2 vs the Pro, the explanation about the keys is exactly what I've been trying to figure out. Thank you 👍
I absolutely love your review style...just a straight shooter, no bullshit. You state your opinion and make it VERY clear, and that is extremely useful. Thanks man.
I'm watching this in October 2024, because my Orbweaver Chroma which I have used since 2015 is up for replacement...I think. The amount of use this gamepad have endured is evident by the worn surface of the WASD key caps and the melted glue under the palmrest padding which I had to completely remove. I love my brand new wireless gaming keyboard, but my Orbweaver is way more ergonomic, and the 9 years of muscle memory I established with this peripheral is undeniably effective. Today, my "W" key stopped responding, and needless to say panic ensued. It worked again after popping out the key and blowing some compressed air into the area. I'm going to see if I can just replace the keys, if there's nothing to upgrade to at this point.
Thanks for this review. I appreciate how opinionated you were, sometimes people try to be so even handed they don't end up saying much at all.
Glad it was helpful!
@@GamerHeavenOfficial Hey, I'm an xbox player and don't know much about keyboards. Is there any half keyboard that you think an xbox player would feel more comfortable with if they switched to a keyboard?
@@S_C_2 any 60% keyboard would be perfect
I feel this way after watching like 95% of reviews and it drives me insane.
Found the Orbweaver to be very delicate - found the palm rest would split (have owned 3 and all have had this happen, and have tried different heights and angles). I also found that after a year or so, the rubber pads would start to slide off as the glue would soften after hours of gaming. Worst of all, the keycaps became really loose to the point that they would fly off in games that required lots of WASD movement - I play a LOT of COD and this would happen all the time, especially in Warzone or largescale multiplayer modes. Its a good keypad but it could be soooo much better
9:07 The audacity of saying optical mechanical keys aren’t even accurate like DUDE THATS THE ENTIRE SELLING POINT OF IT gaming mouses use optical mechanical switches nowadays and they’re accurate as fuck idk what are you talking about Just say that you hate linear feel of it but don’t you dare spread misinformation about something just coz you don’t like the “feel” of it.
Dude, lol
He's correct. The optical switches in the Pro are utter garbage. Go read/watch actual *real* reviews where they actually take the time to review the product instead of being some consooomer TH-cam-bro who will shill anything for a click and a view. The switches have, at best, 1.5mm of actual measured analog travel. What you would expect from the switch is a linear line from first press to full extension over the 4mm travel of the key. You don't get that. And even if it did, only having 4 millimeters of travel for analog movement is next to worthless, but again you don't even get that much, you get on average just over 1mm to just under 2mm. That's about 1/16 of an inch of actual analog travel. You get on average a 1/16th of an inch to use for "more control" over your standard keyboard basic on/off switch. Imagine if your Xbox/Playstation controller's analog sticks had 1.5mm/1/16th" of deflection from center to furthest throw giving you a total of 3mm or 1/8th an inch total deflection from full left to full right or full up to full down. You'd use it for one second and immediately box it up and go return it for a refund saying it was terrible. Throw on the terrible QA and the rate at which these things seem to break or develop issues with use and it's beyond laughable for the price, and next to worthless if you are using it for its analog function and not just as another keyboard.
But go on, keep talking about "misinformation" and having zero understanding of anything other than what the company's advertisements tell you.
@thatoneguy9659 my pro just broke on me. Lasted 3 years and am happy with it, just now trying to decide between V2 and Pro. I havnt tried V2, just don't know if the Pro is worth double the price.
idk about y’all but i just got the pro and i absolutely love the new keys, super smooth and deep clicks
Just got it aswell, keys absolutely feel good. Though I wish there was a click somewhere halfway through to have a better feeling for the primary and secondary key bind. Regardless it's a great keypad
Love your info, correction to the beginning... The Nostromo N52 came out in 2001 and then in 2010 Razer and Belkin released it's successor. That N52 was amazing back in the day. Loved mine.
Thanks for the review you just telling me how satisfying the v2s buttons are made my mind up right away can’t wait to try them out ordering it on Monday
Its like the Tartarus is the big brother to the Nostromo. I loved the Nostromo back in the day. The resemblance is insane, they brought back the d-pad with the round button above it, and the scroll wheel on the keypad itself. They just pulled an old Nostromo out of the closet added 5 buttons across the top gave it RGB lighting and BOOM. Tartarus is born. Thanks for the video man helped me out. I ordered the V2.
It is verry similar, awesome man, glad to hear that.
Your review is the first I watched about these and for ONCE, I don’t need to watch dozens of others. Awesome vid, TYVM
fr i just wanna see a good comparison. finally!
Hey man. Thanks for the video! In the future, adding some nice B-roll of the products when talking about their appearance would bring your video to the next level.
10:00 Yeah I was thinking when I read about the analog switches that it just doesn't sound super useful? Like I can imagine where you could get use out of it but I can't imagine situations where I need one key to be two presses depending on how far down it goes. Other than maybe W being walk and run? Was just curious on how the keys themselves felt compared to the V2. I'm not crazy about the V2 keys either. I wish Razer would make another fully mechanical keypad again. I love the purple switches in the Huntsman.
Great reviews. I had an orbweaver chroma that just failed (palm pad glue leaked and peeled off and a switch failed) so I bought the Tartarus V2. Waiting for it to be delivered.
How is it?
@@KaStradamus. i love the V2. More confortable and the keys are easier for mmo gameplay.
Are you planning to sell the Orbweaver for parts?
@@KagusakiUrufu i didn't plan on it, are they worth anything?
@@midnyte_tv I don't think they're worth too much if they're sold for parts although I've seen well used ones that still works for around $30 to near mint condition for $70 and up. A lot of people nowadays wouldn't want the hassle to replace a broken switch on a mouse or keyboard so they buy a new one. I had mine for around 7 years and I'm surprised only the spacebar is broken lol Might as well repair it since it's been going for this long :)
Good review. Thanks!
Best review of these items i've seen so far! I love the comparison and especially the feel of the keys. Surely everyone who watches a review of one of these keypads know what they are for, I like that you focus on the keypress (which is important to me!). I've had a Belkin Nostromo and a couple of the later releases of it them since they came out but want something with RGB so I can light the keys that are mapped per game, and was debating whether to get the pro or v2, and seeing the key press for the pro, that's a big no for me! Thanks for the awesome content!
Just the sound of the pro was a no
I looked for a vid just foe this bit, and man I wasn't disappointed... awesome demo
@@goldenpony822 the pro sounds better than the v2
I'm using the V2 I won on a Goodwill Auction for $20. Works completely, even the D-pad! The black with red backlight matches my aesthetic setup. I use it to tank on WoW along with my aging Logitech G600 I bought new when Logitech released them years back. Nearly everything is mappable with Bartender addon for both the V2 and the G600. Have a Razer Blackwidow Mini Hyperspeed as my keyboard since it's wireless and can sit wherever, since I only use it for typing now. Learning how to set both the V2 and G600 up is a huge time sink by the way. Best I can tell you is setup a basic keymap in the V2 and G600 (or other MMO mouse) on a new character and adjust/modify inputs while leveling it. The change from being a clicker back in original Vanilla, to a macro/hotkey/mouse key movement in original TBC/WotLK (been unbound from WASD since then), and then moving to this setup recently in TWW definitely takes some getting used to, but so worth the change for Mythics/Raiding! I would highly recommend a TKL wireless keyboard (with an off switch) for desktop space, so you can put it aside anywhere and not worry about battery life or cord really.
If you want a thumbstick over D-pad, you'll be shelling out an extra $100 over the V2 for the Azeron Cyborg (which can be ordered for left or right handed) on Amazon.
Just my input on using a gamepad over a keyboard for MMO/FPS (Halo and CoD) games are such a gameplay style change and could bring out more potential out of what you can achieve, so long as you commit to the initial setup.
I have the Tartarus pro in the mail. I own both the orbweaver and the Tartarus v2, both space bar buttons failed on them. I loved the orbweaver. I’m hoping the pro will last longer. Great review!
So what's the verdict?
I doubt you will see this comment after 2 years, but is it still holding up?
man i love this guys analogies
Thx for the detailed review. There's not much stuff for these minor products. Now I know the difference between the V2 and Pro.
LOL I had no idea the Orbweaver was the TOTL model and that it was adjustable… Was about to sell it because I didn’t really use it, now I’m using it all the time. :)
Great review, thanks man.
Around here the v2 goes for around $100, as the pro version is atrociously $180.
I found a used Orbweaver for $20 on Marketplace and this video was the confirmation I needed, thanks!
Respect honest opinion on any item, BUT to be honest, you can't say to someone that the analog switches are trash. They might be trash to one, but not to everyone. These type of things are subjective. It's always dependent on the individual. But I do agree on the value topic. For $40 more for the pro, you don't get much added upgrade or bonus included to make the $40 valid. But all in all, I respect your opinions and for the most part, awesome comparisons.
I appreciate the feedback man!
I've been using the Razer Orbweaver for about 7 or so years and I'm sad that they discontinued the Orbweaver. The mechanical switches were one of the reasons why I chose it over others. I still got a Orbweaver Chroma stored away as a back up though.
I wish I bought a backup...
Same.
i have a question about the orbweavers 8 way button. it seems like too many options on one button. do you missclick with it a lot? Does the button have a feel of an analog joystick on a gamepad or does it have more of a pushback response of the 4 way D-pad on a gamepad?
@@devalue7064 I very rarely use that button but the button would feel more like a 4 way D-pad than joystick. It's feels almost like a 8 way mouse button
@@KagusakiUrufu thank you for reply. i find it amazing that there is ton of reviews, but none is about the main feature, the thumb button.
Damn good vid, got all the info I needed in a simple and concise format.
Thank you! This is a REAL, comparison review! I’m subscribing!
when he was going over the switch kinds, and came to the tartarus pro, i was just like:
*ffs shut up and lemme hear those clicks*
lol, I'll shut my trap next time .
I just saw in a different review that the joystick isn't functioning as joystick, rather a 4-way button, and the only advantage vs wasd is that you only need your thumb?
Can you change the amount of opposing force on the v2 pro? I'd like to have the weight of my finger be enough to keep it down
Thanks for the review! Is that a concrete desk?! It looks awesome, did
you buy it, made it yourself, have you got a video talking about it?
Thanks again.
2:40 Good review thank you and it's pushing me to buy the V2 over the others, but some of us are watching these videos while driving or rather we are listening to them and so when you are referring to three different ones using the words this one that one and that one we aren't exactly sure what you're referring to so if you just say it out loud that'll mean that people driving and wanting to catch up on tech news and wondering about buying choices as we drive to the mall lol or to Best buy, we can be exactly sure.
@Thomas-ey2mu what are you using the thumb stick , for primary direction, control of your vehicle or characters? Or for command selections?
I love my Orbweaver Chroma.. Wish Razer would just update it already. A wireless one would be awesome, especially with the Optomechanical switches. I have the Basilisk Ultimate which I love as well on my laptop. A wireless one handed mechanical keypad is all that's missing.. I've had my Orbweaver for years, holding up great all except for the rubber pad is all gooey. Probably need to peel it off, and cut out a replacement from some better material. Maybe some pleather and foam, dunno.
Unfortunately the whole one handed keyboards market, is a niche market, so it doesn't get much love. The Orbweaver Chroma was by far the best product available in this market until they discontinued it quite awhile back.. I've searched and searched and can't find anything else even remotely similar. Mine is the Stealth Chroma version with the linear mechanical keys. Tried out the Tartarus V2 at a Best Buy, and didn't like the key feel or the ergonomics for my hands. Sadly there's not much I can do except hope and wait..
On a side note, Razer Synapse 2 sucks.. I may have to look up a stable version, but my Orbweaver is unbearable now do to the crappy software.. I'll often times be moving about in game and my keys would get stuck, or unresponsive in the software. Turn Synapse off though, and it works perfectly fine, just without custom key profiles.. I'm getting tired of companies putting out great hardware, but shitty buggy software. /sad_and_frustrated_face
Can you put in alphabet key from regular keyboard? 🤔
The Addams Family
Nah nah Freddy Mercury
I have the Original Razer Nostromo, problem is only 3 rows of keys so I'm here to consider the upgrade or stay with what I have?
Thanks for the info, seems like I'm gonna go get the v2
8:22
LOL! I bought a pro last night, and this is exactly how i felt! The keys were just too stiff for me, and it just required too much force to press, which hinders my maneuvering in game. I am so glad I kept it intact, and kept the receipt. I am taking it back to the store today to trade in for the v2, and get about $50 back!
I used a Logitech G13, and it's failing me. One of the thumb buttons stopped working, and one of my WASD keys is intermittent. I waited forever for Logitech to come through with something new, but I waited too long, so I decided to check out Razer. I loved my G13, especially for playing Elite: Dangerous, but I have to move on
The pro are like red switches, very easy to press. The V2 however needs the most force to press. Guess u returned the V2 also?
@@DJESHGAMING returned? No.
v2 worked so much better for me, hardly any resistance vs the pro. This is my personal experience with both devices, I've seen other videos of people giving the same feedback..
thanks for the review! will the tartarurs pro remember key actuation depth settings if you uninstall synapse?
Thank you so much for the review, helped me out a lot!
Especially that you recorded the sound of the keys on the pro vs the v2
How do these work on xbox?
does the analog stick have full range of motion like could I remap head movement to it and be fine or do I need a mouse?
When I heard “knuckle rocket”...dude hilarious. Great video
Btw, the razer orbweaver (at least the non chroma) uses cherry mx blues, that was released before they had their own switches
I’m looking for any keypad that can be remapped and that I can take to work and works with that mapped without any software, like with an onboard memory because I can not install any software at work ! Any suggestions? I got the tartarous but it need the software to load the profiles. I don’t need any macros just change the basic set up
i have a question about trhe RAZER TARTARUS CHROMA. is it easy to misclick on the 8way button? Does the button have a feel of an analog joystick on a gamepad or does it have more of a pushback response of the 4 way D-pad on a gamepad?
Great video. Looking to finally replace my Belkin Nostromo n52te and it seems like Belkin design was bought by Razer some time ago. Had the original n52 in 2008, so they ahve been around for a good while. :) V2 seems like the way to go for now.
I have Logitech N52e and G13 and I am searching for a replacement for the last one. Do the razer version have a joystick or is just a keypad controller? thanks
I have the Orbweaver (With silent Brown Switches) and it is good but the Synapse 2 software really SUCKS and it takes forever to get running at startup. Also, the wrist pad adhesive softens after time and it keeps sloshing off, very annoying. might upgrade to the V2 at some point and sell off the Orbweaver.
"Give em the ole knuckle rocket"
Thanks for this! my Logitech G13 is by far the best IMO, but the button by the joystick is flacking out and they stopped making them =( . Looking for one of these 3. Prolly gonna go try the v2 today !
Off-topic: I love the sign on your table, great words! Live your life to the fullest!
it is very motivational
Excuse me, does tartarus pro works with Ps5? if so, do i need to buy anything else tu plugg it and make it work? thankyou
The "space bar" is in the wrong position, otherwise, I would buy it.
i bought a pro for the same price as a v2
i mean since im not really paying any extra ig its not a waste since it will work for what imma use it for
Have you actually played with all three? I’m sorry if I missed that. Cause they love the pro better than v2 because of the buttons. They say the buttons don’t work for v2 after not to long of gaming.
Yes I have individual reviews for each, if they aren’t linked in the description below, then I will add that now. I got to keep in mind. This is a very old video, and I wasn’t very good with descriptions then.
buying the v2 your imput is what i needed, thumbs up
Thank you! You just saved me $54 by convincing me to go with the Tartarus v2 instead of the Pro! B)
“Generally I prefer 8-10 inches”
*clicks off vid and cries *
Thank you for these reviews. You're hilarious, too. "Knuckle rocket." Hahaha.
Nice no bullshit review, V2 it is because of the switches.
Excellent breakdown.
On another note, when your girl comes in with her toy, you don't send her away. You drop everything and go play with her.
just moved from Orbweaver to v2, button 20/spacebar feels awful on the v2 imo... I realize some people use that button as their profile changer so you might want to make it more difficult to accidentally press, but with respect to how your thumb is positioned it feels like it takes way more pressure than should be necessary to activate, rest of the buttons feel all good though and the wrist rest feels really nice when resting my hand on the device.
Prob will try the Pro for the different actuation points.
Great review!!! I have the orbweaver chroma it comes with razer green switches. you sold me on the v2. I HATE razer synapse I cant get legacy to run well with new synapse. I've used legacy for years no problems and bought a new mouse and now legacy freezes all the time. if I uninstall new synapse problem solved. so long story short I'm buying a tartarus v2 and getting rid of legacy. Thanks for review!!!
Thanks Russ for the kind words. Yeah that legacy software integration is poop. The v2 is actually a pretty solid evolution of their one handers
I was looking for a decent review of these gaming keypads, so thanks for this. Years back I had a G15/19 and a G13 keypad but like many things Logitech of that era build quality was extremely hit or miss and they just did not last. Seeing what those old G series keyboards sell for even used nowadays I feel sorry for anyone paying that. I know you said people mainly look at these for FPS/MMO use, but I know myself and a lot of others that do a lot of simulator gaming mainly use gaming keypads for their flight sims and games like Elite Dangerous/Star Citizen, etc. These things are perfect for use with a HOTAS setup. Instead of trying to find room for a full size keyboard in your setup, having to buy a desk with a keyboard slider or buying a bolt-on slider, or having a huge keyboard in between your stick and throttle, these are perfect to have sit in between your stick/throttle, or even small enough to mount next to your throttle if using a HOTAS mount for a cockpit chair setup.
These have a small footprint, a large amount of keys for mapping, they're ergonomic and easy to find "blind" with your hands while wearing a VR headset, and also having another analog control wheel and a thumbstick on top of it, it's just perfect addition for flight sims and space genre games. I got back into sim gaming and was looking for one to replace my old G13 from long ago, and this helped me out. I just hope Razer built these half decent and didn't build them to break every other year so you keep buying one. It just sucks Razer are pretty much the only people on the market making these and there isn't any competition pushing for better versions and better prices.
I just ordered a Quest 2 headset for PCVR and looking for exactly what you describe - something I can find blind to go with a HOTAS or mouse (depending what I'm playing, e.g. Elite Dangerous!)
After this review, I think I've decided on the V2.
Love your username btw, it's one of my favourite terms (along with fremdscham)
@@Karlosovic77 Thanks! Hope it works out for you. I bought my V2 a day or so after I watched this originally and it's still going strong so it's held up to general VR use for sim gaming pretty well so far. I still do stick by wishing there were more companies out there making these to help drive costs down more, as Razer pretty much has a hold on the market with these and can charge whatever.
I've been rocking the razer nostromo for I can't even remember how long now but its the best peripheral I've ever bought for my pc I straight up have a hard time playing with a keyboard now only down side compared to these is it only has 3 rows of keys but I works great definitely recommend
Oh I was thinking about the pro but I think they're trying to do too much with two-step keys, and if you don't like it then I don't like it I do like that tank tank cling cling of the clickety clack keys
thank you for the review, my plans was to buy the pro version mainly for productivity macros, but on your video I can really see that the double functions just does not work, the switches look pretty awful, I will pick up the V2 version and we will see
You're the only one who answered every question I had.I couldnt find shit on yt thanks man.I love your review
Thanks for saving me money. I have an option to buy a new full price Tartarus Pro or a repacked Orbweaver Chroma for a half price. Going for Orbweaver of course. I was in doubt abou the optic sensors, since Razer here in Brazil is extremely expensive, but I don't have any other 'one hand' options with reliable macros.
swap shells but than u have to pay for both. or paint. the original was a belkin n52
Are you gonna play Fortnite chapter 2, season 5 like you did last season? It would be interesting to see that from you. Great vid btw!
Sure am!
Haha thanks for the review and saving me money.. almost bought the pro version thinking its supposed to be better
It is better if you like a linear switch... this guy doesn’t understand what a linear switch is
idk man, I bought the V2 to hopefully replace my orbweaver chroma once the thumb stick gives out, I've got it tried it and do not enjoy the scroll wheel in the orbweavers 20 spot. Also the click is way to high and overkill if you are on open coms /streaming. I ended up purchasing a newer orbweaver for 140 which is pricy but not an issue.
G13 was the GOAT. Had to retire it after many years. These are an acceptable replacement.
I'm looking at the pro instead of the v2 just because it has a white option smh.
The mercury white does look sick.
the keys are allways fine in all of them but`s the damn tumb stick that allways breakes,
Razer still hasnt fixed the actuation points. Fk sake!!!
i buy V2 today on black market 54euros i cant wait
it's not fair, in us the v2 is 80 dollars (73 euros), but in europe it's 105 euros (114 dollars), why?
I have to by it from us!
I am new to gaming I love the old retro Command and Conquer Red Alert and now I have discovered Sniper Elite 4 and 5 witch I like playing via the hand held controller. I have just decided to take on an other game type of experience Sea of Thieves it looks like a fun game but it has complexity that requires many butters and key board and mouse seems much better. But keyboard and mouse can not replicate the hand held controller stick and aim and shoot with your for fingers. So that's why I am looking at Razer Tartarus. If there is a left and a right Razer Tartarus you could have the best of both worlds. Move and shoot like a hand held controller and also have ease of movement for the working option key buttons. It seems a no brainer why not blend the best of both mechanisms into one duel hand operated operating system.
thx u for you vid mate v2 it is then
I use the orbweaver exclusively. The tartarus’ scroll wheel is pointless and replaces a critical key.
Best Review on youtube for this product. I had a pro and i feel exactly how you descibe, this analog switchs are anoying and feels bad when pressing. I prefer a tatical switchs like blue or brown. Based on you rewiew i ordered a V2. I expect this membrane switchs feels good as a real mechanical or similar. Thank you so much
Bought the pro but can’t use the stick in any battlefield game,
Can I play COD without mouse with this keyboard
If you're used to using a mouse then it will be difficult, but very possible, My friend lost his arm, and plays with Tartarus V2, he aims with the thumb stick.
Bro move that pc from the wall, the airflow is making me panic.
I do not recommend the orb Weaver, I had a chroma when launched and a few months later began to present problems ... Pads have gone off, keys stop working... The keyboard was really amazing and it was the best gaming experience I've ever had but the overall quality of the product was terrible
best review so far. ... but you totally bombed showing the game play.. we want to see how your hand and fingers react while your playing... show the device during game play... not your face...
Have you tried to set a standard for button layout? You should have the option to do it automatically or manually if one wishes. It's amazing how boring, frustrating, and useless it is to configure what each key does per game or software (and you could even use it to work if you could only change those keycaps), that's why people stop using them. The Hori Tactical Assault Commander Pro did it, but the Razer gaming keyboard is more comfortable. I think the worst thing is wasting time programming and configuring everything for each game and software. If you make a "standard like controller" for the button layout, then you just have to copy and paste what the Xbox controller or PS controller does. For example, if the Razer 05 is X/A, then the Razer 04 is the circle/B and I don't know, maybe paint the symbol on the keycap with liquid paper, then it shouldn't be so bad to be able to use it regularly. I don't know when Razer will think more and make an Excel layout or better use standard Cherry MX keycaps just by making a inclined circuit board with a simple flex connector to maintain the inclined shape of the keys. In that way you could have A, B, X, Y and M1, M2 for macros. That please add real sticks like the ones on the Xbox/PS or do a 4-way arrows, 8-ways arrow interchangeable module or a "push button analog stick" like Thrustmaster ESWP Pro Controller did. I mean that Razer finally made analog buttons with the Razer Tartarus Pro (but they don't work well either because it doesn't recognize the height at which it is pressed well) it could even make the second function be with a little bump. I don't know why any company hasn't made it yet, no one has done a good job yet. Razer Tartarus has a good palm rest, but some prefer the Orbweaver palm rest, so you better stop making two types of products, just make one interchangeable. The same goes for the wheel that some love and some hate. Just a button above the arrows? Put two as start and select like controllers. Someone must do it more logically. The only reason why the gaming keypad or gamepad is useful is to reduce hand movements and to be faster by giving you the ability to use a real mouse to be more precise and faster. And if you want to keep the analog pedals that the controllers have for firing, maybe think of an analog click mouse. That's all it takes to create an awesome, useful, and necessary gaming keyboard or gaming controller (it doesn't even have a name of its own). If anyone reads this, please submit these ideas to Razer, Corsair, Logitech, Thrustmaster, or Hori.
Loves completely unreliable mecha-membrane keys.
Looks at accurate laser keys: "iT nO wOrK gOoD!"
got the pc upgrades, now try to upgrade that vape. come on man, smok tank? jkjk
the way u quickly described the logitec onehand keybord in the beginning of the vid had me sold on it with out even seeing it back in the day i thought finger banging my prom date was the bees knees if someone's legal age prom date came to me now and sad fingerbang me i would probably have a blast still great review BTW and u funny
Do not buy this product! Its unusable right now. Razer didnt fix the sticky-key-problem since over a year now. Its a software issue with synapse 3. Your character will walk in one direction every now and then untill you tab this direction key again. Its totally unusable for any gamer and a shame for this company, that they didnt solve this issue since over a year for a product worth over 130$/150€...
Did you get the auto-run bug when using Razer broken product ? Guess not as you don't use them. Thumb down then ...
I don't think everyone experiences it and those that do can usually work around it by using REWASD instead of Synapse.
You look like Brendan Fraser in the Mummy !
😂😂😂
You had me at fingering a jar of mayonnaise.
Razer gear sucks because of the Synapse 3 broken software, so i recommend to not buy any Razer Product till they fix Synapse bugs
What problems are you referring to? I’ve got pretty much a full razor setup in the last 12months and I haven’t come across any issues. I’m a pretty basic user though,,, just curious at what sort of issues I should be looking out for.
Not sure what issues you are talking about because I have a full razer setup and I don't have any issues.
AK40kevin has to be a vet 😆
Active duty 😎
As the owner of several Orbweavers, I can say they are phenomenal except for the spacebar that frequently goes out. (which is why I've owned 4). The best thing I can say though is that if your a new gamer looking for a keypad, stay away from Razer. Although they make good keypads, they will do something as dumb as discontinuing the orbweaver. So if your used to a certain layout, now you have to relearn playing games without that extra key you had things bound to. And they replace it with a scroll wheel. Yeah, I cant tell you how many times I've been gaming and thought, I could really use an extra scroll wheel. And if you think this is a one time change, its not. They used to make the Razer Nostromo which had the stupid thumb wheel before they came out with the orbweaver. So they will change your layout, discontinue, and stop supporting whichever you get used to. Morons.
Bro u forgot my shout ouy