@@762x69 "...and if the typical salesperson will understand..." Forget the salesperson - go directly to the service manager for a legitimate (hopefully) response to a technical detail like this.
They should just offer different sound profiles that you can select from. And maybe the ability to upload your own. And then aftermarket shops would have the ability to sell "tuned" engine noises.
Am I the only one who waits for SavageGeese to review a car? Most other reviewers just do this: montage of exterior with horrible royalty-free music, then interior AKA “ugh there’s too much hard touch plastic wah”, they go for a drive and it feels like they read off of a script the manufacturer gives them, finally they give a very copy&paste opinion of the vehicle. SavageGeese has been killing it since day one and I’m glad to have seen this channel grow the way it did. You keep doing you Geese you’re great
I highly agree. I recently got a 10th gen Civic Si, and I was watching a bunch of reviews for them. I know the video is 4 years old now, but the review for that car on this channel exceeds any review I can find on the car. I watched several other reviewers like Matt Maran and Redline Reviews, but their reviews came off like how you said, like they just copy and pasted an opinion and recited the same exact stuff from every other video.
Imagine a world where enough people bought this and it made all the other manufacturers to design affordable naturally aspirated Rwd sports cars with manual transmission.
Uh, no, can't imagine it. People who prefer manuals make up such a small percentage of the population for good reasons. It isn't fun driving a manual in stop-and-go traffic or from stop sign to stop sign in a city. The opportunities to enjoy shifting are too infrequent for them to be popular.
@@markmiller3279 You suck. But you are right, the world sucks just like you. In an ideal world people could drive and enjoy a manual, it’s not a pain in trafiic like you and people around you suggest, you are just making an elephant out of a fly. Too bad you ruin this amazing experience, real enjoyable and engaging driving MUST have a stick in it
@@markmiller3279 I believe gearing plays a huge role in what you mentioned about not being able to shift as much. Also, While it is not as easy as an automatic in heavy traffic, you can always have a decent gap from the car in front and neutral it. But if 90% of driving is in heavy traffic then yes, automatics have a come long way to be a viable option. Most people go through heavy traffic for 20-30%. Which is still manageable with a manual.
@@markmiller3279 it only sucks because of the typical automatic driver. Traffic is usually at a bottleneck due to a badly designed infrastructure but ultimately due to bad drivers. The lack of proper spacing, the lack of understanding of which lanes a person can cross (too many people hold up traffic trying to cross double yellow), the huge delays at pulling away from a standstill due to looking at the phone or whatnot, bad lane positioning (slower cars sticking to the left)
Yes, this car *is* a gift to the public. Whatever this car earns in profit for an industrial giant like Toyota is negligible, compared to its other products. I'm still very impressed that Toyota/Subaru decided to significantly update the 86/BRZ.
THAT is how you present a drag race. 20 seconds, this is who won, and we're done. I was worried that you would try to milk 15 minutes out of it like some other channels.
@@bullymaguire8868 My first thought after reading the post. Man that channel gets more annoying by the day. Does the host actually enjoy it, or does he have to increase his Red Bull consumption to get the same buzz before filming? I know such stuff gets a ton of hits and interest, but honestly aside from one car accelerating faster than another, what GOOD is it? We can get a battery powered skateboard to go fast. Whooptee big deal. And it reached the end of a runway first. Okay. But is it actually any good in the real world? Drag races are largely useless.
@@exothermal.sprocket I like the (10) times per video he tells me to subscribe, go to his website, or hit the bell notification icon. Also how he makes a 6 minute video out of three 10 second drag races 😂
The brakes are swappable with the previous gen, so regarding your no Brembo complaint (100% agree with that) early adopters can utilize existing BBK from the 13-20 frs brz 86 including OEM PP Brembos
It looks like an absolute monster on the track compared to the previous generation. They kept the weight nearly the same for massive improvement overall. I think Subaru/Toyota have a real winner on their hands here. I hope it sells like crazy!
We should thank the automotive Gods these kind of cars still exists. Rare and far between, but the good old lightweight, affordable FR sportscar is still here! Thank you Toyota/Subaru!
I feel like more kids don't give a shit about driving sadly. We have more types of entertainment than ever so I'm scared that cars that feel good will go away and all we will have is fancy looking cars that drive themselfs and show tictok clips on their infotainment system
They only exist because automakers can somehow make specialty models that don't sell that well. A generation ago that was a lot more difficult, but now a Subaru can take a bunch of their standard bits and pieces and make a good car using them.
@@markmiller3279 That's not different from what affordable sports cars have ever been. The old British sports cars were just the bits from their saloons (Brit for sedan) on a cut-down ladder frame with lower body. Same with the early Japanese sports cars, including the 240Z (rear suspension from the 510 and engine was the 510's 4 banger taken out to 6 cylinders). One reason the Miata has stayed in production is bits shared with their sedans - and Honda's great sports cars have dropped out of production because they have shared nothing with higher volume cars.
@@PianoBlackTrimRep. watching demuro is more like watching a meme that's still informative. savagegeese is barebones (in the best way possible) car review that tells me everything i want to know and feel about the car without even having to touch it.
@@saint_zero i disagree completely but yeh. I find savagegeese to be very bias and also pretty snobby talking down to his views with constant "if you haven't driven so and so cars, this will be great". I watch his videos but not even close to being the best. Hagety and throttlehouse are top tier car reviews.
@@robertjusic9097 A polo GTI can't compete with this car except in the practicality department. With the track times shown from various sources, this car now has serious potential to compete with the Civic Type R on the track, while being more fun than a type R.
You guys make the most definitive video reviews. They are comprehensive and geared towards a future owner. Your commentary is well thought out and you actually have enough driving skill to be a trustworthy authority. Thank you from a current BRZ & S2000 owner, Patreon-supporter, and a will-be-GR86-owner-once-it-has-brembos. I hope the car companies continue see the value in your reviews and continue to invest in you!
This is the closest thing to a early 911 in intent on the market today. To Subaru and Toyota thank you. Important car. Important video - and well done. Great video.
This car is everything I want a car to be; fun, cheap and simple. Also, I keep on saying it, but the quality of your reviews always blows my mind. Keep on the great work!
I am 60 years old soon, and I plan on buying one of these as my final ICE car. LOVE the shape, the dynamics, the FUN and SMILES this is going to put on my face. My other car is an ND1 Miata ragtop - hahahaa. Love that car also, but it's a tight squeeze for me!
I turn 60 next year and have had a 2007 nc since new that I will keep. I live in Canada and will replace my Nissan Sentra everyday driver next year with a GR 86, so that I have a fun car all year round. 4 good winter tires and I will be fine.
ND2 makes the most sense to me. Most fun car to drive day to day IMO and is plenty “practical” for what it is being a 2- seater roadster. I’ve always LOVED S2K’s driven two AP2’s an 05 and 07’ and was really impressed, super fun car. I was sad to see 2009’ being the final year Honda was to produce the S2K. I owned a 2012’ NC2 MX-5 Miata 6MT for 5 years and absolutely adored the little car at the time although I was never convinced the MX-5 was an absolute better alternative to the late Honda S2000. I felt like perhaps I missed an opportunity by passing on a good used example (09’ S2K) for a brand new NC2/ 12’ MX-5 Miata. Fast forward to late May (my 42nd BD) this year I leave the local Mazda dealership in a new Poly-metal grey 2021’ Mazda MX-5 Miata Club w/ Brembo/ BBS/ Recaro package and I do not have any doubts that he ND2 provides every bit as much driving fun and more vs. the legendary Honda S2000. If you are fan of the S2000 I think most would be more than pleased getting behind the wheel of an ND2, especially in terms of being a daily driver. The car is fun everywhere and makes plenty of power! 5.7 seconds to 60 and 14.4 1/4m is not far off the S2K plus there’s much more usable power in the lower / mid-range. As far as the BRZ / FRS are concerned, I’ve never driven one but don’t doubt that they would probably make more sense for most people just concerning the issue of “practically”. However, it isn’t like the MX-5 Miata has no room to put stuff, the “glovebox” is positioned in a somewhat awkward location but is fairly accommodating. The “trunk” although just 4.6 cubic feet is actually quite accommodating as well, a couple weeks worth of groceries, a weekend getaway, etc. no problem. It really just depends on YOU and what YOUR lifestyle requires in the end. Oh so if you happen to be say 6’4 or taller I think you’ll probably find the interior a bit “cramped” setting in an ND2. In this case, I probably wouldn’t even have the ND2 on my list of possibles. For reference I’m a skinny 5’9 guy and feel like the ND2’s was almost designed around my frame / fits like a glove.
Its criminal that this channel doesn’t have more subscribers. The quality and time that goes into the production of these videos is far better than some its “professional” competitors
He wasn’t really an “on camera” personality beyond the bit parts when he started. Mark had him start reviewing and Jack did so from step one in front our eyes. I also liked him from the start but looking at it as objectively as I can (always being a “fan”), he has risen to become an outstanding reviewer while having a great on camera personality and sharing an engineer’s perspective (and not going overboard with the YT gimmicks.) How many people ask about Turbowski these days (who I did enjoy) compared to 6 months or a year ago? Maybe I need to scroll down the comments further but I don’t see it. Oh and Jack and Mark together are gold, sharing their genuine feelings including joy that is so relatable…
@@bijan4697 You got me on the terminology "lulz", but my point was that Jack primarily worked behind the scenes for Mark before presenting reviews in front of the camera.
the exterior is the best part, it's so simple and grown up normally at this price range we're being pandered to like we're idiots with a bunch of fake "sports car" stuff, every single economy car has fake diffusers and angry headlights. this looks like a posche in comparison
I love my BRZ, it’s an absolute blast for me to drive, but I recognize there’s improvements that could be made. I’m glad to see Toyota addressed those and took the platform further, I still think the current car is really good and would recommend it, and with a new one it gives people a chance to get into a new fun daily sports car with more overhead than the original, it’s good for the enthusiast community all around.
Whenever both of you come to Europe/UK/Japan, you guys should try out the GR Yaris and the Alpine A110. Love the production quality and the forensic level of detail you guys put into when analysing these cars. I shared this video on 86 forums and reddit to support the TH-cam algorithm. I think its important that we get as many enthusiasts informed correctly with knowing Toyota, Subaru and Mazda's intentions when developing their lightweight RWD sports cars. The more people who watch this video, the more people will likely buy these cars new, and hopefully we can continue to see these low-profit niche products in the future, before the UK and Japanese Government impose bans on new petrol car sales by 2030. Regards from the UK.
Agreed, most people here in the UK care about CARWOW drag race videos with crass 'humour'. Most people here would rather spend their money on turbocharged hot hatchbacks because they're faster and more practical in the real world. But these people fail to see that the japanese RWD cars are affordable, simpler and can teach car control.
@@WynterK I had a 2015 frs with 67k miles. It did have 4-5 minor oil leaks but no other issues. I’ve heard that the new FA24 that’s in these is much better & more reliable.
@@WynterK They’re only unreliable if you heavily modify/boost them (and you don’t upgrade the internals). These engines don’t respond kindly to heavy mods but that’s to be expected from such a cheap car. Stock should be fairly reliable. Subaru has greatly improved their quality since 2013-2016
Have to take in account that when adjusted for inflation, the S2000 was about $45,000 compared to the $30k Miata/Toyobaru. A $45k Toyobaru would more than likely best a S2000 in most performance metrics.
My 2015 FR-S had the best seating position, ergonomics of any car I’ve ever driven perfection! Have a Miata now and love it but not doesn’t have that same feel.
I’m really liking this car. The sensible part of me has me wanting a 2022 Civic HB Sport with the 6mt since I have an ND1 Club, but then the non-sensible part of me has me thinking, “I daily drive the Miata now, why not get this as a daily and keep the ND1 the fair weather car?” This video ruined me.
“S2000 is the worst street car.” Agreed 100%. Earlier this summer we sold the DD we had, planning on picking up another DD when the “price is right.” Yeah, that’s another story in itself. Anyway, we gave ourselves until end of October to do so and planned to drive the S2000 for commutes. I also have Ohlins on the S2000, and adjusted them from 7-clicks to 15-clicks (larger number = softer) for the commutes. After 2 weeks my wife and I were so tired of the rackets and lack of modern conveniences, and the horrible DC streets were killing our backs (and realized that we aren’t in our 20’s anymore). We ended up buying our new DD 2.5 months ahead of schedule and the S2000’s status of garage queen/weekend/track car has been restored.
Very impressed with the balance this car has in both aesthetics, power output, and weight. Clean exterior lines without gaudy useless features. Just enough branding to let someone who knows these cars understand its unique. I really appreciate what they have brought to the market. The last thing I was this excited about was the Honda S2000.
Wow 209:173 up from 160:130, that's a massive improvement at the wheel! All the previews I'd seen ahead of this review didn't indicate such a huge difference. That's basically an entry level forced induction setup, as tha'Geese mentioned.
Are Toyota/Subaru understating the new car's HP figure? 160 whp sounds about right for 205 bhp, so 209 whp would be over 267 bhp which is an extremely healthy figure for such a tiny lightweight car!
I heard that GT86 usually make 170whp... but ofc with less than 10whp difference compared to 162, it could just be different dyno. Also, I am pretty sure that Toyota is underrating their cars here.GR86 officially have 228hp at engine, so 209whp means the drivetrain loss etc is only 9.16%, LESS than 10%! So either Toyota underrated the GR, or the GR86 is using some seriously good gearbox.
Catching some of the news about the new WRX and plenty of confusion on how it's gone from a 2.0 to a 2.4 without significant improvement. So how does an NA 2.4 make 209hp at the wheel, 267hp at the crank per @Oetti, yet only make 271hp at the crank with a turbo added according to Subaru? I'm starting to suspect Subaru's small size as a company has real consequences in their ability to play the same market-splitting games as the big boys. It's as if they are being terribly ham fisted in their attempt to allow for future differentiation between models and products; which is something Porsche is supreme at for the opposite example where the engineering and marketing are mirrored.
@@WongTag either this press car was tuned up so the review will be more favorable, or maybe subie underrated the wrx as well. Hopefully its the latter, if subaru underrate one performsnce car chances are they probably did it on the other as well.
Since I haven’t seen anyone bring it up, the cinematography in this review was incredible. Those close up shots against the sunset were absolutely stunning. I guess when the review itself shines so much (as it should) the little things that make it a joy to watch go unnoticed. Good job geese!
I really dig this design over the old one, especially the Toyota version. The toned-down and more elegant styling is not super distinctive but I think it will age really well. I hope those that have the means and the desire will buy the shit out of these, because it's the only way they'll keep making them. If I didn't already have a sports car I'd be racking my brain deciding between this and the ND2.
I am having trouble debating between this and the ND2 Miata. I am primarily street driving. Can't decide if I want more fun to drive or more practicality. Also the Miata has much better gas mileage
My girlfriend has made it clear she doesn’t want kids so I told her this morning if that’s the case then I’m most likely going to get this car. I’d like to have a sports car again if I don’t need a bigger car for a family.
Very well put and I agree with everything you said styling-wise. I have an NC2 that I have heavily modified for handling (aka fun) and have long considered upgrading to the ND2. The previous iterations of this car were interesting but this one has finally made me reconsider my upgrade path, even though I would definitely miss the top-down fun. Tough choice for sure.
EDIT: If this is more like the DC-2 I had in high school than the next gen Integra, I'll be very sad. I have a (more than a) hunch the new Integra isn't going to have a hatchback, a manual transmission from factory, or will even be offered as a coupe. Praying and putting in for every higher paying job in the US since I completed my Bachelor's. Not for the satisfaction and pride of my family, friends, and girlfriend, but for the love of cars like these coming out in present day. Another masterpiece review!
@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth Doesn't enhance or detract from my enthusiasm, unless the Integra has an "EV type" interior with a ton of gimmicks, in which case the Integra is worthless to me. Like hearing my high school sweetheart is back in town and she's still in good shape, but she is now a he.
This is gonna sound like such a downer comment but I promise I don’t intend for it to be - there’s no way the upcoming integra will do justice to even half of the things people love about the DC integra (or my personal fave, the DA) beyond the heart string pulling marketing move of reusing the name alone, which flies in the face of the forgettable alpha-numeric model naming scheme they’ve been using for 20 years. I hope I’m wrong.
@@cokemachine62590 eh, brembos are expensive plus install if you arent handsy atleast a premium brembo package includes other stuff exterior stuff (usually)
@Cruz Ponce yeah i agree. I guess its cool to have the colored breaks but actually have the performance added, not just painting the calipers red LOL. But totally agree
These cars are really pulling me in. I've been around older project cars over the past few years and constantly having to fix previous owner induced issues or just restoration tasks take a toll on one's patience (and wallet). Wheels, tires, suspension, and brakes - maybe an exhaust to add some spice - and you've got a well-balanced and usable package in the new BRZ/GR86. I'll keep the old AE86 for that super raw driving feel and nostalgia, but the new cars make a compelling argument for a daily sporty car.
This is basically the exact same thing I'm thinking. Finding some wonky wiring from a previous owner or a rounded off bolt is so frustrating. Starting fresh would be amazing.
@@bobbybooshay5854 The 350 or 370z isn't slow, it it faster (in a straight line at least) than all cars in this video. P.S. I'm an s2000 owner but it's not like the 350z is a bad car. It's unloved for reasons I never quite understood (which makes it an ideal purchase, if you can find one from a good owner who looked after it).
I have a 15`000 mile S2000 and this GR86 would fill a winter gap for when the S is hibernating. Love driving the S2000 but not on UK winter roads. A new, fresh daily sports is appealing.
This channel is a pure joy to watch. Waiting for you guys to hit 1M subs. I hope it will keep you motivated to carry on as you are from far the best car reviewers. I wonder how many people get your sarcastic and unapologetic approach. You are free thinkers, keep up the great work!
I originally started watching you guys when you started the channel with the ft86 project car back in the day. Very happy to see that you are going back to that a little bit with the BRZ project car. Keep up with the good work!
Very happy that you didn't cancel the channel back in the day when you were leaning that way. I bought my 2013 brz because of your work. Still drive it daily to this day. Most likely gonna get this new one when it comes out.
If I was in the market I would get this. The internet is complaining about Integra and S2K prices and how these cars are becoming unobtainable. Yet this exists. You can finance it, and it will have a warranty. 20+ years from now our children will discus the GR86 the same way we talk about the S2K today.
I love how in depth you go with the mechanical and technical information. The under body shots and diagrams, ect. Very interesting and there aren't any other channels that do this.
My first thought was, "autocrossers must be thrilled!" Haha. Ice autocrossed my accord sedan and it was fun, but this would be probably one or two on my list if I wanted to get serious about it.
Great video as always. One of the few channels I feel like actually does a thorough look at the car, not just reading a press release, and gives genuine impressions of the product. Cheers!
The GR 86, it is my favorite car ever, I love it and it is my dream car. And seeing every little mechanical detail about it makes me truly appreciate just how special it is.
I love when you do the "reprise" portions lol, I remember seeing it with the Audi Q8 video. They're just little nuances like this that take your art to the nest level.
Wonderful review. Gonna give it the first year to let it get through first production issues and let the aftermarket start tinkering...a 2023 GR86 in that lovely Neptune Blue is looking like the perfect daily. I am glad this car got a second gen, and I am glad it stayed naturally aspirated. Hoping we can see about 230rwhp with the usual header/tune mods.
I'm glad they fixed lots of off the shelf performance issues on the first gen. I'm definitely not trading in my current BRZ for this, but hope other folks buy enough of this to keep up BRZ/86 line up for a long time.
Finally the GR86 takes the win in the drag race. Though the drag race still makes the Miata look very impressive. The least amount of horsepower among the cars tested yet gets a solid 2nd place. In an era of massive power numbers people really tend to overlook weight reduction.
Love lightweight cars and happy to support them. The ND2 softtop is just above 2330lbs, 5.7s 0-60. The GR86 is reported to be 5.9-6.1s but in videos I see so far, GR86 stays ahead.
I've had quite a few cars over my life, and I truly believe my '23 GR86 is the finest overall driving car I've owned. It is an absolute pleasure to drive!
It certainly holds up well, but it has 255s where the gr has 215s, aftermarket shocks and a big brake kit. It'll definitely get surpassed when the gr has those same modifications
@@harrybuhse8622 Savagegeese clearly stated the S2000 was the better performing track car. The fact that it's 20 years old and is faster with tires and brakes is absolutely absurd
@@GERONIMO326 not really. In today's market the s2000 would be $10k more, and competing in a segment slightly lower than the Nissan Z. It's a brilliant car don't get me wrong though. Would have been an absolute steal buying one a few years ago for $20k. In saying that, I know for a fact with no more than some standard track modifications the gr86 would be right on par with it.
@@harrybuhse8622 you're missing the point champ, the fact the S2000 is 20 years old, and is even competing with the 2022 GR86 is ABSURD!! That in itself is engineering at it's finest! Not to mention, Subaru, and Toyota tuned their car, and benchmarked the S2000, and it's still not as good 20 years later. Some say, the S2000 is one of, if not the most engaging car ever made. Just an engineering marvel. It should NOT be beating any cars (within it's segment) 20 years later 🤣 tires, brakes or no tires and brakes
@@GERONIMO326 it's really not absurd at all. The formula for a sports car hasn't changed in all of that time. Money is the limitation, not technology. It doesn't help that most manufacturers haven't been interested in this segment for 10 years or more also. So the fact that Toyota/Subaru has been able to package a car with similar performance for significantly less than the s2000 is more remarkable imo. Dealing with modern emission and safety regulations as well as coming as a 2+2 coupe to keep insurance costs down, it's an incredible package.
Production, edit, content, everything. This channel is SO MUCH better than anything being produced today on any and all platforms. How are you not at 3M subs?
You guys are the best. This is the truly important information for people making these exact decisions. Thank you! (I’m in a constant debate of buying a car like an ND2 or GR86 or spend a little more for an older Cayman/Boxter. Maybe I’ll pull the trigger on something one day.)
I’ve seen 2022 BRZ’s hitting 215whp-219whp. Of course every dyno measures different, but these things might even be hitting 250hp crank. That puts it on equal footing with the MKV Supra 2.0L’s 255hp, so no wonder they’re underrating the GR86/BRZ power numbers.
People's minds have been polluted over the years by the ever increasing and ridiculous HP and 0 to 60 race. Any vehicle that can do a 6 second Sprint is "quick" and you can have fun with it.
It's all numbers on a page to 95% of the car buying public anyway. We were doing 0-60 in the low eight second range in all our favorite cars from back in the day and having a blast for one very simple reason: feedback. Doing 0-60 in three seconds in a private jet is boring as hell, but 0-60 at all in a go kart is a thrill like no other.
There is the potential on the Toyota side to have dealers disable the fake engine noise in tech stream per customer request.
I’m very interested in this option and if the typical salesperson will understand what this request even means lol
Cool, but let's be honest. These minor details show how disconnected from the audience some manufacturers are.
Thank god because that thing sounds like someone trying to suffocate an old Dirt Devil with a pillow....
@@762x69 "...and if the typical salesperson will understand..." Forget the salesperson - go directly to the service manager for a legitimate (hopefully) response to a technical detail like this.
They should just offer different sound profiles that you can select from. And maybe the ability to upload your own. And then aftermarket shops would have the ability to sell "tuned" engine noises.
Am I the only one who waits for SavageGeese to review a car? Most other reviewers just do this: montage of exterior with horrible royalty-free music, then interior AKA “ugh there’s too much hard touch plastic wah”, they go for a drive and it feels like they read off of a script the manufacturer gives them, finally they give a very copy&paste opinion of the vehicle. SavageGeese has been killing it since day one and I’m glad to have seen this channel grow the way it did. You keep doing you Geese you’re great
Me too
Motoman does a good job as well, Good info with honesty goes along way
Mondays and Fridays have become the equivalent of Christian Sunday church, except I actually look forward to the goose’s content.
I highly agree. I recently got a 10th gen Civic Si, and I was watching a bunch of reviews for them. I know the video is 4 years old now, but the review for that car on this channel exceeds any review I can find on the car. I watched several other reviewers like Matt Maran and Redline Reviews, but their reviews came off like how you said, like they just copy and pasted an opinion and recited the same exact stuff from every other video.
The Goose gets it. Especially now with Jack on board - best auto reviews for the enthusiast.
Imagine a world where enough people bought this and it made all the other manufacturers to design affordable naturally aspirated Rwd sports cars with manual transmission.
That world existed... it was the late 80's to mid 90's before going extinct in the early 2000's.
Uh, no, can't imagine it. People who prefer manuals make up such a small percentage of the population for good reasons. It isn't fun driving a manual in stop-and-go traffic or from stop sign to stop sign in a city. The opportunities to enjoy shifting are too infrequent for them to be popular.
@@markmiller3279 You suck. But you are right, the world sucks just like you. In an ideal world people could drive and enjoy a manual, it’s not a pain in trafiic like you and people around you suggest, you are just making an elephant out of a fly. Too bad you ruin this amazing experience, real enjoyable and engaging driving MUST have a stick in it
@@markmiller3279 I believe gearing plays a huge role in what you mentioned about not being able to shift as much. Also, While it is not as easy as an automatic in heavy traffic, you can always have a decent gap from the car in front and neutral it. But if 90% of driving is in heavy traffic then yes, automatics have a come long way to be a viable option. Most people go through heavy traffic for 20-30%. Which is still manageable with a manual.
@@markmiller3279 it only sucks because of the typical automatic driver. Traffic is usually at a bottleneck due to a badly designed infrastructure but ultimately due to bad drivers. The lack of proper spacing, the lack of understanding of which lanes a person can cross (too many people hold up traffic trying to cross double yellow), the huge delays at pulling away from a standstill due to looking at the phone or whatnot, bad lane positioning (slower cars sticking to the left)
Imagine, two functional levers on the console- a real gear shift and handbrake! Love this car- this is a gift!
Couple decades later, these will be loved even more.
@@fj717 You're right; couldn't agree more.
Yes, this car *is* a gift to the public. Whatever this car earns in profit for an industrial giant like Toyota is negligible, compared to its other products. I'm still very impressed that Toyota/Subaru decided to significantly update the 86/BRZ.
Get a Wrangler and you can have a transfer case lever as well. Enough levers to confuse the hell out of a lesser driver.
Man, preach! This car is a godsend.
THAT is how you present a drag race. 20 seconds, this is who won, and we're done. I was worried that you would try to milk 15 minutes out of it like some other channels.
I thought it would have been nice for them to include the times.
COUGH carwow COUGH
@@bullymaguire8868 My first thought after reading the post. Man that channel gets more annoying by the day. Does the host actually enjoy it, or does he have to increase his Red Bull consumption to get the same buzz before filming? I know such stuff gets a ton of hits and interest, but honestly aside from one car accelerating faster than another, what GOOD is it? We can get a battery powered skateboard to go fast. Whooptee big deal. And it reached the end of a runway first. Okay. But is it actually any good in the real world? Drag races are largely useless.
@@exothermal.sprocket I like the (10) times per video he tells me to subscribe, go to his website, or hit the bell notification icon.
Also how he makes a 6 minute video out of three 10 second drag races 😂
@@bullymaguire8868 "So what exactly happened?"
I am getting one.
I understand where it stands on the affordable sport car experience and don't have any issues with the compromise.
The brakes are swappable with the previous gen, so regarding your no Brembo complaint (100% agree with that) early adopters can utilize existing BBK from the 13-20 frs brz 86 including OEM PP Brembos
What is your source on this? I agree, it should be possible and I really hope it is, but do you have an actual source on this claim?
hey.. get back to making helium videos! 😂😁
hi Voskcoin!
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Or Dogee 😉
Good to know as that'll be one of my first upgrades.
As an ND2 owner, I have to say that I’m so glad the 86 ended up getting a second generation. We need more affordable sports cars on the market!
Hoping an iteration of 240sx comes out eventually too!
@@jonasbaine3538 Don't think you think is a 240 remade?
Technically speaking, this is the third one :)
I LOVE how the drag race was just that: a drag race! No show biz, just a race. Thanks for that.
It looks like an absolute monster on the track compared to the previous generation. They kept the weight nearly the same for massive improvement overall. I think Subaru/Toyota have a real winner on their hands here. I hope it sells like crazy!
Me too! I hope I can get my hands on one.
Buy like crazy.
@@exothermal.sprocket I need to make more TH-cam money. 😭
@@802Garage Google needs to go out of business. Work for a worthwhile non-woke company.
@@exothermal.sprocket Hahaha what? 😂 Nevermind, I'm not going down this rabbit hole.
We should thank the automotive Gods these kind of cars still exists. Rare and far between, but the good old lightweight, affordable FR sportscar is still here! Thank you Toyota/Subaru!
I feel like more kids don't give a shit about driving sadly. We have more types of entertainment than ever so I'm scared that cars that feel good will go away and all we will have is fancy looking cars that drive themselfs and show tictok clips on their infotainment system
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 true feelsbadz
They only exist because automakers can somehow make specialty models that don't sell that well. A generation ago that was a lot more difficult, but now a Subaru can take a bunch of their standard bits and pieces and make a good car using them.
@@markmiller3279
That's not different from what affordable sports cars have ever been. The old British sports cars were just the bits from their saloons (Brit for sedan) on a cut-down ladder frame with lower body. Same with the early Japanese sports cars, including the 240Z (rear suspension from the 510 and engine was the 510's 4 banger taken out to 6 cylinders). One reason the Miata has stayed in production is bits shared with their sedans - and Honda's great sports cars have dropped out of production because they have shared nothing with higher volume cars.
buy them while you still can
this is the best automotive channel, never change guys, never change
Unfortunately they'll have to when everything is EV 😵😵😵
I just hope they don’t turn Into sponsorship slaves when they hit a million subs. What they have now is gold for true automotive enthusiasts.
Better than demuro?
@@PianoBlackTrimRep. watching demuro is more like watching a meme that's still informative. savagegeese is barebones (in the best way possible) car review that tells me everything i want to know and feel about the car without even having to touch it.
@3x + 1 I hope you’re being facetious.
This is the RWD Prelude I never got in my day. I love it.
Yep, my biggest regret was not getting a prelude when I was young.
@@toddgersh I still have mine. 😊 Have had it for 20 years.
@@Kantoh22 but you never got it 🤔
@@CL9k24a3 my comment says the RWD Prelude I never got. I have a FWD one, because that exists.
@@Kantoh22 ohhh i thought there is actually a rwd prelude lol (dumb mel) They have rw- steering if i remember right
"That's something that a loser would say, that's something that barney taught me when I was 5 years old" had me dying lol
same guess that will be me :D
You can hear Jack laugh too. Lol.
You've got to respect that he's comfortable admitting that he watched Barney.
Had Jack going too, you can faintly hear him cracking up in the background! Love it.
There's no way he was 5 when barney was around!
These guys are the best car reviewer s in TH-cam. No one else IMO comes close to what they do....very thorough in their approach
Ever heard of Throttle House?
@@Boostlagg Yeah they still don't come close to SG
I'd say Hagerty is on the same level of production, both are much higher than other reviewers in terms of effort and style
@@saint_zero i disagree completely but yeh. I find savagegeese to be very bias and also pretty snobby talking down to his views with constant "if you haven't driven so and so cars, this will be great". I watch his videos but not even close to being the best. Hagety and throttlehouse are top tier car reviews.
Savage Geeks.
209 whp + 173 wtq for the price and value is very hard to beat. Thanks for the informative video
Polo GTI with a 2.0 turbo and dual clutch? Not the same league but still
@@robertjusic9097 A polo GTI can't compete with this car except in the practicality department. With the track times shown from various sources, this car now has serious potential to compete with the Civic Type R on the track, while being more fun than a type R.
You guys make the most definitive video reviews. They are comprehensive and geared towards a future owner. Your commentary is well thought out and you actually have enough driving skill to be a trustworthy authority. Thank you from a current BRZ & S2000 owner, Patreon-supporter, and a will-be-GR86-owner-once-it-has-brembos. I hope the car companies continue see the value in your reviews and continue to invest in you!
You could just get a Wilwood BBK for 1800.
This is the closest thing to a early 911 in intent on the market today. To Subaru and Toyota thank you.
Important car.
Important video - and well done. Great video.
This car is everything I want a car to be; fun, cheap and simple. Also, I keep on saying it, but the quality of your reviews always blows my mind. Keep on the great work!
This video should have four times the views it does. I've learned more about the 86 in this video than all others combined.
I am 60 years old soon, and I plan on buying one of these as my final ICE car. LOVE the shape, the dynamics, the FUN and SMILES this is going to put on my face. My other car is an ND1 Miata ragtop - hahahaa. Love that car also, but it's a tight squeeze for me!
I turn 60 next year and have had a 2007 nc since new that I will keep. I live in Canada and will replace my Nissan Sentra everyday driver next year with a GR 86, so that I have a fun car all year round. 4 good winter tires and I will be fine.
Savagegeese creates using Dell Technologies and films in 4K (2160p).
My monitor:. Best I can do is 1080p.
My internet: Best I can do is 240p.
This GR86 hit all the spots on the interior that the MK8 GTI/R completely missed.
Like buttons?
ND2 makes the most sense to me. Most fun car to drive day to day IMO and is plenty “practical” for what it is being a 2- seater roadster. I’ve always LOVED S2K’s driven two AP2’s an 05 and 07’ and was really impressed, super fun car. I was sad to see 2009’ being the final year Honda was to produce the S2K. I owned a 2012’ NC2 MX-5 Miata 6MT for 5 years and absolutely adored the little car at the time although I was never convinced the MX-5 was an absolute better alternative to the late Honda S2000.
I felt like perhaps I missed an opportunity by passing on a good used example (09’ S2K) for a brand new NC2/ 12’ MX-5 Miata. Fast forward to late May (my 42nd BD) this year I leave the local Mazda dealership in a new Poly-metal grey 2021’ Mazda MX-5 Miata Club w/ Brembo/ BBS/ Recaro package and I do not have any doubts that he ND2 provides every bit as much driving fun and more vs. the legendary Honda S2000.
If you are fan of the S2000 I think most would be more than pleased getting behind the wheel of an ND2, especially in terms of being a daily driver. The car is fun everywhere and makes plenty of power! 5.7 seconds to 60 and 14.4 1/4m is not far off the S2K plus there’s much more usable power in the lower / mid-range.
As far as the BRZ / FRS are concerned, I’ve never driven one but don’t doubt that they would probably make more sense for most people just concerning the issue of “practically”. However, it isn’t like the MX-5 Miata has no room to put stuff, the “glovebox” is positioned in a somewhat awkward location but is fairly accommodating. The “trunk” although just 4.6 cubic feet is actually quite accommodating as well, a couple weeks worth of groceries, a weekend getaway, etc. no problem. It really just depends on YOU and what YOUR lifestyle requires in the end.
Oh so if you happen to be say 6’4 or taller I think you’ll probably find the interior a bit “cramped” setting in an ND2. In this case, I probably wouldn’t even have the ND2 on my list of possibles. For reference I’m a skinny 5’9 guy and feel like the ND2’s was almost designed around my frame / fits like a glove.
Its criminal that this channel doesn’t have more subscribers. The quality and time that goes into the production of these videos is far better than some its “professional” competitors
Yep, the quality and detail, just brilliant every time.
I have quite literally been refreshing your channel for the past 15 min. I've been waiting for this review for the past week
Calm down
I wasn’t the biggest fan of Jack when he first joined the channel but now I think he’s awesome. I piss myself laughing whenever he goes full gorilla.
I was always a fan. I can tell he's an engineer by trade by how he talks.
He wasn’t really an “on camera” personality beyond the bit parts when he started. Mark had him start reviewing and Jack did so from step one in front our eyes. I also liked him from the start but looking at it as objectively as I can (always being a “fan”), he has risen to become an outstanding reviewer while having a great on camera personality and sharing an engineer’s perspective (and not going overboard with the YT gimmicks.) How many people ask about Turbowski these days (who I did enjoy) compared to 6 months or a year ago? Maybe I need to scroll down the comments further but I don’t see it. Oh and Jack and Mark together are gold, sharing their genuine feelings including joy that is so relatable…
What was his first review?
@@cfclogan74 I mean, is Mark an “on camera”
personality? Not really lol. But that’s what I like about them. No nonsense, straight facts
@@bijan4697 You got me on the terminology "lulz", but my point was that Jack primarily worked behind the scenes for Mark before presenting reviews in front of the camera.
This is what the original GT86 should have been, with an engine that got out of its own way, better late than never.
Imo Gt86 looks way better than gr
@@recursion. nah bro, you're just wrong.
@@recursion. It's the duckbill spoiler, I prefer the separate spoiler from the GT pro.
@@recursion. get some LASIK done
@@recursion. I loved my 2019 GT86 but the 2022 front looks way better but I do like the rear end of the current model better
Went from hating the exterior to liking it more than gen 1 when seeing them side by side. That's usually how it goes with new cars, though.
the exterior is the best part, it's so simple and grown up
normally at this price range we're being pandered to like we're idiots with a bunch of fake "sports car" stuff, every single economy car has fake diffusers and angry headlights. this looks like a posche in comparison
Same at first I was like nah first gen all day, but my mind has been completely changed.
@@thirteen12 true
I think this is the perfect entry drivers car of the decade in terms of practicality, control, and daily driveability
I love my BRZ, it’s an absolute blast for me to drive, but I recognize there’s improvements that could be made. I’m glad to see Toyota addressed those and took the platform further, I still think the current car is really good and would recommend it, and with a new one it gives people a chance to get into a new fun daily sports car with more overhead than the original, it’s good for the enthusiast community all around.
(Psst! … 😒 it’s OK to get the new one!)
Whenever both of you come to Europe/UK/Japan, you guys should try out the GR Yaris and the Alpine A110. Love the production quality and the forensic level of detail you guys put into when analysing these cars. I shared this video on 86 forums and reddit to support the TH-cam algorithm. I think its important that we get as many enthusiasts informed correctly with knowing Toyota, Subaru and Mazda's intentions when developing their lightweight RWD sports cars. The more people who watch this video, the more people will likely buy these cars new, and hopefully we can continue to see these low-profit niche products in the future, before the UK and Japanese Government impose bans on new petrol car sales by 2030. Regards from the UK.
Agreed, most people here in the UK care about CARWOW drag race videos with crass 'humour'. Most people here would rather spend their money on turbocharged hot hatchbacks because they're faster and more practical in the real world. But these people fail to see that the japanese RWD cars are affordable, simpler and can teach car control.
So in reality it has around 240hp. That is a healthy bump. I’m considering buying one
Yeah I always consider this car needs around 240 250 ish. More importantly they seem to fix the torque dip too.
@@CLA82529 yeah, the wonky-ass dip is finally gone.
I had the previous 86 and dip was awful. No torque where you need it.
I loved the S2000, and I’m so happy there’s a newer and similar performance replacement for it now.
Beautiful
Thank you, Mark!
This is how reviews are done.
40whp gain is an insane gain for a N/A boxer engine. Its testicles finally dropped.
Best review of the GR 86 I've seen thus far! Can't wait for the BRZ comparison.
All the technical background and analysis you guys provide makes you one of the very best car review channels on TH-cam! Thanks!!
SavageGeese deserving about a billion subs these days
But then Google would shut him down for some woke policy violation.
@@exothermal.sprocket Lol, sadly I could see that. So enjoy while you can, 'cos it's slowly but surely rising.
These cars are criminally underrated… which is great for enthusiasts like me hehe
Agreed. The only aspect that concerns me is the Subaru engine reliability.
@@WynterK
I had a 2015 frs with 67k miles. It did have 4-5 minor oil leaks but no other issues. I’ve heard that the new FA24 that’s in these is much better & more reliable.
@@WynterK
They’re only unreliable if you heavily modify/boost them (and you don’t upgrade the internals). These engines don’t respond kindly to heavy mods but that’s to be expected from such a cheap car. Stock should be fairly reliable. Subaru has greatly improved their quality since 2013-2016
They really are. the most fun i ever had on the road are with these cars
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593
What other cars have you owned or driven?
I think it says a lot about the S2000 that it's still being compared to 2022 vehicles like the GR86 OR ND2 Miata
there's a reason that low mileage ones held their value for all this time.
The S2000 will likely be the only one of these that will continue to rise in value.
The guy in the S2K didn't know how to launch it. When I had it, I launched from 4.5K rpm and got 5.5s to 60 and 13.9s in the 1/4mi.
@@Asiansxsymbol prepped track?
Have to take in account that when adjusted for inflation, the S2000 was about $45,000 compared to the $30k Miata/Toyobaru. A $45k Toyobaru would more than likely best a S2000 in most performance metrics.
My 2015 FR-S had the best seating position, ergonomics of any car I’ve ever driven perfection! Have a Miata now and love it but not doesn’t have that same feel.
I’m really liking this car. The sensible part of me has me wanting a 2022 Civic HB Sport with the 6mt since I have an ND1 Club, but then the non-sensible part of me has me thinking, “I daily drive the Miata now, why not get this as a daily and keep the ND1 the fair weather car?”
This video ruined me.
“S2000 is the worst street car.”
Agreed 100%. Earlier this summer we sold the DD we had, planning on picking up another DD when the “price is right.” Yeah, that’s another story in itself. Anyway, we gave ourselves until end of October to do so and planned to drive the S2000 for commutes. I also have Ohlins on the S2000, and adjusted them from 7-clicks to 15-clicks (larger number = softer) for the commutes. After 2 weeks my wife and I were so tired of the rackets and lack of modern conveniences, and the horrible DC streets were killing our backs (and realized that we aren’t in our 20’s anymore). We ended up buying our new DD 2.5 months ahead of schedule and the S2000’s status of garage queen/weekend/track car has been restored.
Very impressed with the balance this car has in both aesthetics, power output, and weight. Clean exterior lines without gaudy useless features. Just enough branding to let someone who knows these cars understand its unique.
I really appreciate what they have brought to the market. The last thing I was this excited about was the Honda S2000.
Props to Toyoburu for refining one of the best affordable front-engine rear-wheel drive platforms.
Wow 209:173 up from 160:130, that's a massive improvement at the wheel! All the previews I'd seen ahead of this review didn't indicate such a huge difference. That's basically an entry level forced induction setup, as tha'Geese mentioned.
Are Toyota/Subaru understating the new car's HP figure? 160 whp sounds about right for 205 bhp, so 209 whp would be over 267 bhp which is an extremely healthy figure for such a tiny lightweight car!
I heard that GT86 usually make 170whp... but ofc with less than 10whp difference compared to 162, it could just be different dyno.
Also, I am pretty sure that Toyota is underrating their cars here.GR86 officially have 228hp at engine, so 209whp means the drivetrain loss etc is only 9.16%, LESS than 10%! So either Toyota underrated the GR, or the GR86 is using some seriously good gearbox.
Catching some of the news about the new WRX and plenty of confusion on how it's gone from a 2.0 to a 2.4 without significant improvement. So how does an NA 2.4 make 209hp at the wheel, 267hp at the crank per @Oetti, yet only make 271hp at the crank with a turbo added according to Subaru? I'm starting to suspect Subaru's small size as a company has real consequences in their ability to play the same market-splitting games as the big boys. It's as if they are being terribly ham fisted in their attempt to allow for future differentiation between models and products; which is something Porsche is supreme at for the opposite example where the engineering and marketing are mirrored.
@@WongTag either this press car was tuned up so the review will be more favorable, or maybe subie underrated the wrx as well.
Hopefully its the latter, if subaru underrate one performsnce car chances are they probably did it on the other as well.
Those are big numbers, basically a supercharger put on a small motor
Since I haven’t seen anyone bring it up, the cinematography in this review was incredible. Those close up shots against the sunset were absolutely stunning. I guess when the review itself shines so much (as it should) the little things that make it a joy to watch go unnoticed. Good job geese!
I want one of the NEW GR86s in Hakone green - make it happen Toyota!!
I’m finally picking a GR86 up this week.
Thanks for this. Absolutely the best, particularly in the longer, more detailed format.
I finally found a thorough reviewer channel. Where the fuck have you been all my life
I really dig this design over the old one, especially the Toyota version. The toned-down and more elegant styling is not super distinctive but I think it will age really well. I hope those that have the means and the desire will buy the shit out of these, because it's the only way they'll keep making them. If I didn't already have a sports car I'd be racking my brain deciding between this and the ND2.
I don't like mx-5 so this would be it for me. I agree that this car looks way better than the old one
I am having trouble debating between this and the ND2 Miata. I am primarily street driving. Can't decide if I want more fun to drive or more practicality. Also the Miata has much better gas mileage
My girlfriend has made it clear she doesn’t want kids so I told her this morning if that’s the case then I’m most likely going to get this car. I’d like to have a sports car again if I don’t need a bigger car for a family.
Very well put and I agree with everything you said styling-wise. I have an NC2 that I have heavily modified for handling (aka fun) and have long considered upgrading to the ND2. The previous iterations of this car were interesting but this one has finally made me reconsider my upgrade path, even though I would definitely miss the top-down fun. Tough choice for sure.
@@Sho_Ishto really doesn’t want kids? That’s odd... pretty much all women want kids especially as they get older
These guys are the best...none of that goofy-assed-trying-to-be-a-
comedian bullshit...
Actual engineering
EDIT: If this is more like the DC-2 I had in high school than the next gen Integra, I'll be very sad. I have a (more than a) hunch the new Integra isn't going to have a hatchback, a manual transmission from factory, or will even be offered as a coupe.
Praying and putting in for every higher paying job in the US since I completed my Bachelor's. Not for the satisfaction and pride of my family, friends, and girlfriend, but for the love of cars like these coming out in present day.
Another masterpiece review!
Integra = EV all day
@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth Doesn't enhance or detract from my enthusiasm, unless the Integra has an "EV type" interior with a ton of gimmicks, in which case the Integra is worthless to me. Like hearing my high school sweetheart is back in town and she's still in good shape, but she is now a he.
This is gonna sound like such a downer comment but I promise I don’t intend for it to be - there’s no way the upcoming integra will do justice to even half of the things people love about the DC integra (or my personal fave, the DA) beyond the heart string pulling marketing move of reusing the name alone, which flies in the face of the forgettable alpha-numeric model naming scheme they’ve been using for 20 years. I hope I’m wrong.
@1:50 hearing Jack laughing behind the camera is hilarious 🤣
Can’t wait till 2027 when they offer a TS trim with brembos!
You could just put a big brake kit yourself. Seems like a silly amount of time to wait for them to put brembos on from the factory
@@cokemachine62590 eh, brembos are expensive plus install if you arent handsy atleast a premium brembo package includes other stuff exterior stuff (usually)
@Cruz Ponce yeah i agree. I guess its cool to have the colored breaks but actually have the performance added, not just painting the calipers red LOL. But totally agree
And still in 2027, it will only have 200hp and then cost $50k 🤣
@Cruz Ponce I think he meant 6 years of inflation from $32k, plus whatever Brembo package lol
Videos like this is the exact reason I cherish y'alls channel. Thank you so much for being the only channel that goes into much much detail.
These cars are really pulling me in. I've been around older project cars over the past few years and constantly having to fix previous owner induced issues or just restoration tasks take a toll on one's patience (and wallet).
Wheels, tires, suspension, and brakes - maybe an exhaust to add some spice - and you've got a well-balanced and usable package in the new BRZ/GR86. I'll keep the old AE86 for that super raw driving feel and nostalgia, but the new cars make a compelling argument for a daily sporty car.
This is basically the exact same thing I'm thinking. Finding some wonky wiring from a previous owner or a rounded off bolt is so frustrating. Starting fresh would be amazing.
Why do people insist on making their lives more complicated? If you want more power for some stupid reason, get the new Nissan Z.
@@truantray you like driving slow "sports car"?
@@bobbybooshay5854 The 350 or 370z isn't slow, it it faster (in a straight line at least) than all cars in this video. P.S. I'm an s2000 owner but it's not like the 350z is a bad car. It's unloved for reasons I never quite understood (which makes it an ideal purchase, if you can find one from a good owner who looked after it).
I have a 15`000 mile S2000 and this GR86 would fill a winter gap for when the S is hibernating. Love driving the S2000 but not on UK winter roads. A new, fresh daily sports is appealing.
This channel is a pure joy to watch. Waiting for you guys to hit 1M subs. I hope it will keep you motivated to carry on as you are from far the best car reviewers. I wonder how many people get your sarcastic and unapologetic approach. You are free thinkers, keep up the great work!
I originally started watching you guys when you started the channel with the ft86 project car back in the day. Very happy to see that you are going back to that a little bit with the BRZ project car. Keep up with the good work!
Been a long time.
Very happy that you didn't cancel the channel back in the day when you were leaning that way. I bought my 2013 brz because of your work. Still drive it daily to this day. Most likely gonna get this new one when it comes out.
If I was in the market I would get this. The internet is complaining about Integra and S2K prices and how these cars are becoming unobtainable. Yet this exists. You can finance it, and it will have a warranty. 20+ years from now our children will discus the GR86 the same way we talk about the S2K today.
Immediately upon seeing it, I love the styling changes!
the old one tried too hard
This is the car everyone wanted and asked for but very few will buy it.
This really seems like a future classic to me. Thanks for yet another amazing video! You guys kill it every time.
I love how in depth you go with the mechanical and technical information. The under body shots and diagrams, ect. Very interesting and there aren't any other channels that do this.
Interested to see how these do over the next few years. But I think Toyota/Subaru nailed this one.
Jack laughing faintly in the background at the Barney joke make me choke on my spit lol
Ahhh ..Let me dab your cheek with my handkerchief my Goose Brethren, just let it happen.
i had to listen to it twice cuz i thouigh i heard it too lol
i loves these guys sense of humor.
You know it’s a good laugh when it make you spit 😩🤌🏽💦
Need a bib?
I'll tell you what I tell my wife, just swallow....:)
unbelievably close to my '06 s2000. Can't wait to see this 86 in autocross competition. Thanks for the review.
My first thought was, "autocrossers must be thrilled!" Haha. Ice autocrossed my accord sedan and it was fun, but this would be probably one or two on my list if I wanted to get serious about it.
Bought the red one this week, love it so far
Update: it's still super awesome and I plan to supercharge 🤫
Great video as always. One of the few channels I feel like actually does a thorough look at the car, not just reading a press release, and gives genuine impressions of the product. Cheers!
You guys pushing cars hard and commentating is SO informative and entertaining
Yes, another one of my favorite channels has done a review on this car!
After watching this review, I'm definitely getting one of these and selling my current GT86.
So it dynos just as well as an S2000? That's... Awesome and about damn time!
Its an AP2 up top with a bigger midrange.
The GR 86, it is my favorite car ever, I love it and it is my dream car. And seeing every little mechanical detail about it makes me truly appreciate just how special it is.
Finally a true review of this awesome car :)
I'm a ND miata owner and I have nothing but appreciation and admiration for this car.
I love when you do the "reprise" portions lol, I remember seeing it with the Audi Q8 video. They're just little nuances like this that take your art to the nest level.
*next
It's reviews like this that justify my subscription to this channel.
Wonderful review. Gonna give it the first year to let it get through first production issues and let the aftermarket start tinkering...a 2023 GR86 in that lovely Neptune Blue is looking like the perfect daily. I am glad this car got a second gen, and I am glad it stayed naturally aspirated. Hoping we can see about 230rwhp with the usual header/tune mods.
Scheduled 12 months off from work for this Video.
Excellent video. You can open up higher Patreon levels now; this is the best, most informative auto review I've watched this year.
Check out Hagerty's video on the same car. That's great too!
I'm glad they fixed lots of off the shelf performance issues on the first gen. I'm definitely not trading in my current BRZ for this, but hope other folks buy enough of this to keep up BRZ/86 line up for a long time.
Finally the GR86 takes the win in the drag race. Though the drag race still makes the Miata look very impressive. The least amount of horsepower among the cars tested yet gets a solid 2nd place.
In an era of massive power numbers people really tend to overlook weight reduction.
How true. Horsepower is always heralded, but increase in weight is never mentioned.
@@fabricebaro yup. So many cars are bloated boats these days. Power is nice to have, but if the rest of the car is numb I don't want it
Love lightweight cars and happy to support them. The ND2 softtop is just above 2330lbs, 5.7s 0-60. The GR86 is reported to be 5.9-6.1s but in videos I see so far, GR86 stays ahead.
@@dannyphamous : This drag race was with an RF, so it’s carrying an extra 120 lbs.
@@dannyphamous I wouldnt be surprised if the GR86 actual 0-60 is 5.6-5.5 in real world driving. It was at least half a car length faster than the ND2
I've had quite a few cars over my life, and I truly believe my '23 GR86 is the finest overall driving car I've owned. It is an absolute pleasure to drive!
Loved that summary in the end, looks like ND2 is still the king of the streets.
Nice, candid review. With my autocross days firmly behind me, no question; it’s my ND2 for me.
In depth review and honest thoughts. I'm happy with my ND2 top down as well and great mpg is a bonus too.
Wow! A S2000 that is almost 20 years old, with some good track tires, is still the king around the track. Talk about engineering! What a car!
It certainly holds up well, but it has 255s where the gr has 215s, aftermarket shocks and a big brake kit. It'll definitely get surpassed when the gr has those same modifications
@@harrybuhse8622 Savagegeese clearly stated the S2000 was the better performing track car. The fact that it's 20 years old and is faster with tires and brakes is absolutely absurd
@@GERONIMO326 not really. In today's market the s2000 would be $10k more, and competing in a segment slightly lower than the Nissan Z. It's a brilliant car don't get me wrong though. Would have been an absolute steal buying one a few years ago for $20k. In saying that, I know for a fact with no more than some standard track modifications the gr86 would be right on par with it.
@@harrybuhse8622 you're missing the point champ, the fact the S2000 is 20 years old, and is even competing with the 2022 GR86 is ABSURD!! That in itself is engineering at it's finest! Not to mention, Subaru, and Toyota tuned their car, and benchmarked the S2000, and it's still not as good 20 years later. Some say, the S2000 is one of, if not the most engaging car ever made. Just an engineering marvel. It should NOT be beating any cars (within it's segment) 20 years later 🤣 tires, brakes or no tires and brakes
@@GERONIMO326 it's really not absurd at all. The formula for a sports car hasn't changed in all of that time. Money is the limitation, not technology. It doesn't help that most manufacturers haven't been interested in this segment for 10 years or more also. So the fact that Toyota/Subaru has been able to package a car with similar performance for significantly less than the s2000 is more remarkable imo. Dealing with modern emission and safety regulations as well as coming as a 2+2 coupe to keep insurance costs down, it's an incredible package.
Not the 1 hour long tech segment I was hoping for, but important basis covered. The fact that this is not the most viewed review is criminal.
I actually am curious about the stereo review since the last version was terrible.
Production, edit, content, everything. This channel is SO MUCH better than anything being produced today on any and all platforms. How are you not at 3M subs?
Great to see the subscribers increase. Great video.
This will be in my driveway at some point. I am so glad they made this for 2022. I have 10 years from today to plan and get it.
Was looking forward to this one. You guys never miss
Only writing a comment because it helps your algorithm. Your videos are consistently amazing.
You guys are the best. This is the truly important information for people making these exact decisions.
Thank you!
(I’m in a constant debate of buying a car like an ND2 or GR86 or spend a little more for an older Cayman/Boxter. Maybe I’ll pull the trigger on something one day.)
I sold my Veloster N for an 04 Boxster. Loving it so far. If I don't buy another porsche after this, I will strongly consider this new GT86
209whp * 1.15 for drivetrain losses = 240hp crank. So basically it’s still a 100hp/liter engine. Very nice 😎
I’ve seen 2022 BRZ’s hitting 215whp-219whp. Of course every dyno measures different, but these things might even be hitting 250hp crank. That puts it on equal footing with the MKV Supra 2.0L’s 255hp, so no wonder they’re underrating the GR86/BRZ power numbers.
People's minds have been polluted over the years by the ever increasing and ridiculous HP and 0 to 60 race. Any vehicle that can do a 6 second Sprint is "quick" and you can have fun with it.
It's all numbers on a page to 95% of the car buying public anyway. We were doing 0-60 in the low eight second range in all our favorite cars from back in the day and having a blast for one very simple reason: feedback. Doing 0-60 in three seconds in a private jet is boring as hell, but 0-60 at all in a go kart is a thrill like no other.
Honestly 7 seconds feels quick enough to drive every day.
Exactly, way too much bench racing and bs hypothetical scenarios.
we always talk about 0-60 times but never 0-fun times :'(
What a great way to start the week!